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OVERVIEW OF INTELLIGENT ELECTRIC INSTALLATION
MOVE
GENERAL INFORMATION
Manufacturer
Manufacturer's website
System website
Purpose of system
ELKO EP, s.r.o., Holešov, CZ
Crestron Electronics, Inc.
Control4
ABB, Busch Jaeger
Giersiepen GmbH & Co. KG
ALBRECHT JUNG GMBH & CO. KG
MDT technologies GmbH
Trump Electronics S.A.
ABB s.r.o., Elektro-Praga
BPT Spa a Socio Unico
Hager Electro s.r.o. (Hager Group)
Legrand s.r.o.
www.elkoep.cz
www.crestron.com/
USA
http://new.abb.com/cz
www.gira.com
www.jung.de/
http://www.mdt.de/EN_Start.html
www.domintell.com
www.enika.cz
http://www.bpt.it/en/ita
www.hager.cz
www.bticino.com
www.inels.cz
http://crestron.mediacontrol.cz/
http://www.control4.com/
http://www.mdt.de/EN_Downloads.html
http://www.cmsys.cz/cze/automatizacebudov/system-domintell/
http://www117.abb.com/index.asp?thema=9745
http://www.bpt.it/en/ita/home.jsp?idrub=8
http://hager.cz/index.php?scr=1024&id=1129
http://www.legrand.cz/inteligentnielektroinstalace?P=456&L=CZ
residential applications
residential applications
residential applications
residential applications
comprehensive residential applications
http://www.abb.cz/product/cz/9AAC111724.asp http://www.gira.cz/index.asp?cat=prvky&page=n http://www.jung.de/en/623/products/technolog
x
ews
y/
residential applications
luxury residential applications
residential applications
luxury residential applications
medium commercial applications
large-scale commercial applications
medium commercial applications
large-scale commercial applications
CIB
line, star, tree
2
27V DC
centralized
550
3
64
192
2x MI2, 128 units
Cresnet
line, star, tree
4
24V DC
centralized
1500
RS485/LAN
line
KNX / EIB
line, star, tree
Ethernet
yes, central unit
yes
yes
RS232/RS485
IR
USB
GSM
yes
yes
no
yes, GSM gate
yes
yes
yes
yes
yes
yes
webserver
yes, the price of CU
yes (unit CP2E)
yes
Switching
3x module
2x box
large-scale commercial applications
residential and commercial applications
Legrand s.r.o.
Niko NV
www.legrand.cz
www.niko.be
http://www.legrand.cz/cz/scripts/cz/publigen/c
http://www.niko.eu/enus/niko/products/nikoontent/templates/previewColonneDroite.asp?
home-control/
P=360&L=CZ
new construction and renovation of houses
renovation of older installations
and apartments
medium commercial applications
Merten GmbH
Vimar
LCN Polska Sp. Z o. o. Sp. K.
www.merten.de
www.vimar.eu
www.LCN.pl
http://www.merten.de
www.vimar.eu
large-scale commercial applications
ships and residential applications
KNX
line, star, tree
2
30V DC
decentralized
KNX - TPBUS
linear, star, their combination
2
29V DC
centralized
1000m
15 areas, each with 16 lines
128
30720 + EZS
using the line element
PLC - Power line communication
typical installation
2
230V AC
hybrid
Tested for heavy sea conditions
no
yes (GSM-SMS modem)
no
no
no
N/A
Siemens AG
www.siemens.com
http://www.lcn.pl/index.php?id=system&sub=os https://www.cee.siemens.com/web/cz/cz/corpor
ate/portal/home/produkty_a_sluzby/IBT/synco_l
zczedny
iving/Pages/uvod.aspx
residential and medium commercial
residential and commercial applications
applications
medium commercial applications
BUS DATA
Bus type
Topology
Number of bus lines
Bus power
Type of system
Bus lenght max. [m]
Number of lines max.
Number of units on the bus max.
Max. number of units
Method expansion bus
12V DC
centralized
300
decentralized
350 (700)
15x12
64(252)
11520(46080)
EIB InstaBus
line
2
30V DC
decentralized
1 000
12
64
57 375
EIB/KNX
line, star, tree
2
30V DC
decentralized
1000
15x15
64
14400
adding a line (via the separator)
EIB/KNX
line, star, tree
2
30V DC
centralized
1000
64
256
master expansion modules
RS485
free
6
12VDC
decentralized
1600
KNX/EIB
line
4
centralized
700
8
64
512
LONWorks
free
2
20V DC
centralized
1000
10
40 (80)
200
KNX / EIB
line
2
30V DC
decentralized
1000
4 (1+3)
64
256
RS 485
free
2
27V DC
decentralized
about 250m
typical installation
by the installation
by the installation
230V AC
decentralized
by the installation
nikobus
line, star, tree
2
9V DC
hybrid (partly decentralized)
1000
20
20x256
connect to a wired installation 230V AC
64
256
master expansion modules
EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION
yes, the phone module TG/S 3.2
yes
yes
yes
yes (DETH02)
yes, in comunication module (3270-C16200)
yes
yes (unit TH009, TH010)
no
no
yes
no
yes
no
no
no
yes
yes (DRS23201, DRS23202)
yes eg. DDIR02
yes (DUSB01)
yes (DGSM01)
no
no
no
yes (3270-C16500)
RS 422
yes (3298-C77900)
yes
yes
yes
no
no
no
yes
yes
yes, only 2 control contacts
no
no
no
yes
no
yes
no
yes (GSM-SMS modem)
yes
yes
yes
yes
yes
no
yes
yes (DETH03)
yes, in comunication module (3270-C16200)
yes, modul internet gateway
yes
Omizzy web server
no
yes (unit IC1)
about 20x module
7x module
2x box
11x module
3x box
2x module
4x module
1x box
9x module
5x module
3x box
1x module
4x box
2x module
15x module
4x box
dimming R, L, C, LED, ESL loads
dimming R, L, C loads
dimming R, L, C loads
dimming R, L, C loads + LED
dimming R, L, C loads + LED
dimming R, L, C loads
dimming R, L, C loads
dimming R, L, C loads
3x module + 1 expansion
1x box
2x module
1x box
2x box
about 10x module
7x module
1x box
3x module
5x module
2x module
2x BOX
5x module
9x module
1x box
3x module
3x module
9x module
2x box
yes
1x module
10x module
1x module
1x box
1x module
yes
yes
yes, type 20511
yes
button and SW
NIKOBUS v. 3.1
free
SW
ETS 3.0 professional
free
SW
EasyTool 4.2
SW or LCN-P-PRO
yes
N/A
UNITS
Dimming
Conversion
Jalousie
Touch Panel
about 7x module
about 10x module
yes
yes
only SW
IDM
free
Scada Reliance home
OPC software
N/A
D3 Pro software
update FW via bus
sophistication and design of control
yes
yes
bulbs, halogens
4x module
1x module
1x module
2x module
1x module
5x module
1x box
yes
1x module
1x module
yes
no
SW
yes
free
button and SW
Ego-n asistent
Included on website in the partner section
4x module
1x module
3x module
2x box
dimming R, L, C loads
3x module
4x module
yes
5x module
2x BOX
yes
SETTING / PROGRAMMING
How to set (parameterization)
Software
Software price
Vizualization
Other software
only sw
ETS 1.2
1200 EUR
Room view
e-Control SDKs
ETS 3.03d
Gira HomeServer
EIB-Tool Software, InterVisu 2.0
TX100 (wireless device)
button
ELVIS
EasyTool Professional LT
STRENGTHS / WEAKNESSES
Strengths
large selection of units on the bus
Plug-in module connector
wide range of touch screens
the complexity of the setting and
programming of unit
high price
Weaknesses
SD card (backup)
connectivity with Tebis RF (wireless)
configured via SW and manually
setting of system backup via USB (TX100)
units for mounting on table
easy to connect to an existing installation
power integrated in each unit
CCTV units on the bus - built-in
button programming
integration of RF control
connecting to a standard bus EIB (module
F426)
price affordability
limited to simple time functions and
scenarios
mounting a classic power installation - the
possibility of interference
ability to control the modules manually buttons
each unit has its own power supply
absence of type modules BOX
absence of type modules BOX
possibility IR control
through system partners
through system partners
through system partners
through system partners
through system partners
Bticino
Element
axolute
Galea Life (plastic, metal, wood, leather)
Original, Intense, Pure
atelier-M
EIKON
Time, Time Arbo
living
light
light tech
antik
octocolor
aquadesign
IDEN
PLANA
matix
aquastar
SUPPORT
Method of sale
Bound design of switches
through system partners
through system partners
přes SP
through system partners
through system partners
Elegant (plastic)
CNX-B
CNX-B
Future linear
Standard 55
Logus90 (plastic, aluminum, glass, wood)
Cameo
C2N-DB
Cameo
C2N-DB
Solo, Solo carat
Alpha exclusive
Impuls
E22
F-line F100
E2
Event
Esprit
TX44
Jung FD Design (plastic, aluminium, glass)
through sales representative
EIB/KNX TP1, KNX RF
line, star, tree
2
29V DC
centralized
1000
Device
price / pc
pc
Price
Device
Price
Device
Price
Device
price / pc
pc
Price
Price
Device
Price
Device
Price
Device
price / pc
pc
Price
Device
Price
Device
price / pc
pc
Price
price / pc
pc
Price
Price
Device
Price
Device
Price
Device
Price
Za ízení
Za ízení
cena / ks ks
Light control - sensor (4x)
Jalousie (3x) - sensor
WSB3-40
WSB3-20
80 €
64 €
4
3
320 €
192 €
CNX-B4A
CNX-B2A
257 €
257 €
4
3
1 028 €
771 €
ZME-WC D2-W
ZME-WC S2-W
44 €
44 €
4
3
176 €
132 €
GHQ6310 070R0111
GHQ6310 074R0111
120 €
120 €
4
3
480 €
360 €
2092NABS
2091NABS
79 €
68 €
4
3
316 €
204 €
5113 00
0634 01
105 €
53 €
4
3
420 €
159 €
20001
20001
73 €
73 €
4
3
292 €
219 €
BE-TA5504.01
BE-TA5502.01
86 €
76 €
4
3
344 €
228 €
DPBT04-LG
DPBT02-LG
171 €
171 €
4
3
684 €
513 €
3271E-A48900 01
3271E-A28900 01
67 €
69 €
4
3
268 €
207 €
TX304
TX302
47 €
41 €
4
3
188 €
123 €
05-060-01
05-060-01
37 €
37 €
4
3
148 €
111 €
MTN62 6299
MTN62 6199
64 €
56 €
4
3
256 €
168 €
H4652/2
H4652/2
48 €
48 €
4
3
192 €
144 €
L4652/2
L4652/2
48 €
48 €
4
3
192 €
144 €
5034NL
5032NL
82 €
72 €
4
3
328 €
216 €
MET-7
MET-7
175 €
175 €
4
4
700 €
700 €
LCN-UP24
LCN-UP24
24 €
24 €
4
3
96 €
72 €
OH/4I
OH/4I
90 €
90 €
4
3
360 €
270 €
113A00-5
113A00-1
48 €
39 €
4
3
192 €
117 €
5WG1220-2AB31
5WG1220-2AB21
89 €
54 €
4
3
356 €
162 €
MP04R.48
MP02R.48
139 €
114 €
4
3
556 €
342 €
ZN1IO-4IAD
ZN1IO-4IAD
101 €
101 €
4
3
404 €
303 €
QL-CP1 08
QL-CP1 08
4
3
0€
0€
SB-Simplese2-UK
SB-Simplese1-UK
4
3
0€
0€
CS0287-004
CS0287-004
4
3
0
0
H4652/2
H4652/2
4
3
0
0
Jalousie (3x) - actor
Underfloor heating (1x) - actor (Kitchen)
ACTUATORS AND SENSORS
SA3-02B
SA3-01B
90 €
57 €
3
1
270 €
57 €
C2N-SDC
DIN-2MC2
254 €
285 €
2
1
508 €
285 €
DIN-8REL-E
DIN-8REL-E
700 €
700 €
1
1
700 €
700 €
JRA/S 4.230.1.1
6151-0-0245
221 €
122 €
1
1
221 €
122 €
2501UP
FA 10 UP
136 €
86 €
3
1
408 €
86 €
2154 00
1057 00
325 €
152 €
1
1
325 €
152 €
21174
20015
84 €
119 €
4
1
336 €
119 €
JAL-020 6.01
AKK-01UP.01
154 €
88 €
2
1
308 €
88 €
DTRV01
TL2001
285 €
72 €
1
1
285 €
72 €
3270-C67400
3279-C17100
198 €
67 €
1
1
198 €
67 €
TXA223
TXA204 A
254 €
218 €
1
1
254 €
218 €
05-001-02
05-002-02
472 €
190 €
1
1
472 €
190 €
MTN64 9704
MTN64 9202
177 €
148 €
1
1
177 €
148 €
F411/2
F411/1N
74 €
45 €
3
1
222 €
45 €
775623
775633
93 €
87 €
3
1
279 €
87 €
L5501RBCP
L5504RVF
97 €
309 €
3
1
291 €
309 €
incl. NI -2100
CCD-RS-277
N/A
30 €
1
0€
30 €
LCN-R4 M2H
LCN-R1 U
179 €
29 €
1
1
179 €
29 €
OH/MA
OH/RP
118 €
60 €
1
1
118 €
60 €
112A00-1
111A00-1
81 €
79 €
3
1
243 €
79 €
5WG1523-1AB03
MR0416.431
246 €
180 €
2
1
492 €
180 €
SB-DRY-4Z
MR0416.431
180 €
180 €
2
1
360 €
180 €
ZN1IO-AB4 0
ZN1IO-AB4 0
161 €
161 €
2
1
322 €
161 €
QLCC-01
SW420
2
1
0€
0€
CSS-H1 -WL
SB-2R-UN
2
1
0€
0€
CS0335-2
CS0335-2
1
0
0
0
LVRS8-DIN
LVRS8-DIN
2
1
0
0
The main light (ceiling , 3x) - ac tor
Light at the ra diator (3x) - actor
The lamp near the sof a (1x) - ac tor
Spot ligh ts above the bar (1x) - actor
DA3-22M
221 €
4
884 €
DIN-1DIMU4
888 €
2
1 776 €
DIN-8DIM-E
985 €
1
985 €
6197/12-101-5 00
472 €
2
944 €
3904REGHE
395 €
2
790 €
2174 00
463 €
2
926 €
16556
306 €
8
2 448 €
AKD-0201.01
308 €
4
1 232 €
DD500
77 €
8
616 €
3270-C27900
205 €
4
820 €
TXA213
412 €
3
1 236 €
05-000-02
520 €
1
520 €
MTN64 9315
318 €
2
636 €
F415
122 €
8
976 €
775637
123 €
8
984 €
L5504D2U
643 €
2
1 286 €
CCD-6D
82 €
8
656 €
LCN-SH
184 €
4
736 €
OH/DI22 30
347 €
4
1 388 €
110A00-2
139 €
8
1 112 €
5WG1527-1AB31
198 €
8
1 584 €
MD0206.432
255 €
4
1 020 €
ZN1DI-P400
141 €
8
1 128 €
QL-8012
4
0€
SB-DIM8 c1A-DN
1
0€
CS0165-2
4
0
SLDS4-DIN
2
0
Radiators (3x) - valve
Radiators (3x) - actor
Telva
DAC3-04B
23 €
179 €
3
1
69 €
179 €
thermova lve
DIN-2MC2
26 €
285 €
3
2
78 €
570 €
thermova lve
DIN-8TV-E
26 €
740 €
3
1
78 €
740 €
2-D22-00-101
6151-0-0245
31 €
122 €
3
1
93 €
122 €
TVA 110 WW
FA 10 UP
55 €
86 €
3
3
165 €
258 €
thermova lve
1057 00
26 €
152 €
3
3
78 €
456 €
thermova lve
20016.WH
26 €
137 €
3
3
78 €
411 €
N/A
AKH-0400.01
0€
181 €
3
3
0€
543 €
thermova lve
DD10V
25 €
67 €
3
3
75 €
201 €
2-D22-00-101
3270-C67600
38 €
198 €
3
3
114 €
594 €
thermova lve
TXA204 A
23 €
217 €
3
1
69 €
217 €
CHVZ-01/01
05-001-02
26 €
472 €
3
1
78 €
472 €
MTN63 9125
MTN64 9202
22 €
148 €
3
2
66 €
296 €
thermova lve
F411/1N
26 €
45 €
3
3
78 €
135 €
thermova lve
775633
26 €
87 €
3
3
78 €
261 €
thermova lve
L5504AMP
26 €
340 €
3
1
78 €
340 €
thermova lve
CCD-RS-277
26 €
30 €
3
3
78 €
90 €
LCN-AVN
LCN-AO1R
31 €
45 €
3
3
93 €
135 €
thermova lve
OH/AO4010
26 €
347 €
3
1
78 €
347 €
N/A
111A00-1
0€
79 €
3
0€
237 €
5WG1562-7AB02
5WG1605-1AB01
207 €
400 €
3
1
621 €
400 €
N/A
MR0416.431
0€
180 €
3
1
0€
180 €
N/A
ZN1IO-4IAD
0€
101 €
3
3
0€
303 €
N/A
SW420
3
1
0€
0€
N/A
SB-HVAC2-DN
3
1
0€
0€
N/A
CS0225-2
3
1
0
0
3
1
0
0
EST-3
278 €
1
278 €
TPS-4LB
1 739 €
1
1 739 €
TW7C0-BL
1 244 €
1
1 244 €
6136-0-0185
1 240 €
1
1 240 €
SP 9 FAPVE
5 147 €
1
5 147 €
2072 05
1 450 €
1
1 450 €
14848.SL
514 €
1
514 €
VC-0701.03
1 042 €
1
1 042 €
DLCD01
298 €
1
298 €
3273M-A98900 03
197 €
1
197 €
TX450A
253 €
1
253 €
05-096
1 460 €
1
1 460 €
MTN62 60 1007
1 215 €
1
1 215 €
L4684SDK
1 313 €
1
1 313 €
7756 19
1 153 €
1
1 153 €
5080CTC3-PW
2 044 €
1
2 044 €
MXD-43 0
1 555 €
1
1 555 €
LCN-GT10 DW
424 €
1
424 €
MITHO HA NF
643 €
1
643 €
N/A
0€
0€
Tefora SL
829 €
1
829 €
SB-WL-TS7
1 100 €
1
1 100 €
ZN1VI-TP41C
529 €
1
529 €
QL-CPT3 01
1
0€
SB-CDP-J
1
0€
CS0372
1
0
EQ41TB -TI
1
0
CU3-01M
PS3-100 /iNELS
530 €
128 €
1
1
530 €
128 €
DIN-AP2
DIN-PW S50
814 €
149 €
1
1
814 €
149 €
HC250-BL-1
N/A
908 €
N/A
1
908 €
0€
172 €
1
1
661 €
206 €
1079 00
442 €
1
442 €
N/A
1801
N/A
239 €
1
0€
239 €
599 €
189 €
1
1
599 €
189 €
DGQG01
DALI01
DDIM01
DTRP01
656 €
119 €
139 €
79 €
1
1
1
1
656 €
119 €
139 €
79 €
3270-C16100
6120-0-0065
350 €
195 €
1
1
350 €
195 €
TX 100
TX111
596 €
277 €
1
1
596 €
277 €
360-470 00
135 €
1
135 €
MTN69 3004
150 €
1
150 €
E46ADCN
69 €
1
69 €
E46ADCN
105 €
1
105 €
5500PACA
5500PS
499 €
219 €
1
1
499 €
219 €
NI-210 0
N/A
1 199 €
N/A
1 199 €
0€
N/A
LCN-NH2 4
N/A
50 €
1
0€
50 €
N/A
OH/A.01
N/A
243 €
0
1
0€
243 €
117A00-1
123A00-1
814 €
209 €
814 €
209 €
QAX903-CS
5WG1125-1AB22
360 €
318 €
1
1
360 €
318 €
N/A
DN-PS7 50
0€
99 €
1
1
0€
99 €
N/A
ZN1PS-320MPA230
0€
189 €
1
1
0€
189 €
QL NE100
QL PS12 02
1
1
0€
0€
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920 €
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SYSTEM ELEMENTS (depending on system)
The control unit
Power supply
Module in terfaces for dimmers
Switchin g Module - I nterface
Softwar e
COSTS
Price Total (summed rates for 1pc)
The number of devices in the project
The total project cost
1 650 €
4 954 €
22
5 391 €
20
2 907 €
2 620 €
16
7 718 €
6 919 €
17
5 663 €
3 168 €
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3 754 €
1 571 €
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8 241 €
2 723 €
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4 408 €
2 159 €
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4 656 €
1 584 €
28
4 573 €
2 338 €
22
3 737 €
3 349 €
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3 010 €
2 298 €
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3 431 €
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3 586 €
Sample Project Description: We always consider only 3 rooms - living room with kitchen, bedroom and children's room. Each room is controlled by: 2x lights, 1x heating, 1x blinds. We calculate only those elements that are in the function changes. Those that remain functionally identical (regardless of design and implementation) are not calculated. We do not calculate devices and electric loads: lights, lamps, radiators, flooring and jalousies. But those in the comparison remains the same. We do not calculate cables and installation materials. But price within these installations will be similar and will not vary by more than 10%. Switches and controls are calculated in the basic design (mostly plastic frames). Prices are in EUR without VAT.
Note: Levied preferentially units for panel mounting with the lowest price. In the event that the drive could not be found or is not made, the item is replaced by the abbreviation N / A and the price is set to 0
1 790 €
1 770 €
27
3 112 €
4 331 €
27
3 174 €
3 272 €
20
3 283 €
1 910 €
25
5 610 €
1 964 €
22
5 008 €
Price without touch panel ->
1 488 €
19
2 734 €
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1
2 881 €
24
3 507 €
Price with out touch p anel ->
2 247 €
25
3 003 €
1 484 €
21
5 302 €
0€
27
3 837 €
0€
21
3 339 €
0K
18
0€
0K
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0€
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System structure
Centralized system
Decentralized system
Central unit – all in one place (user Projects, logos, web
server, Ethernet port)
Units can operate completely autonomously
For communication KNX/IP gateway required
Approximately twice more expensive
Bus and cabling
Shielded twisted pair 2x2x0.8mm
Shielded twisted pair 2x2x0.8mm
Number of bus lines (wires): 2
Number of bus lines (wires): 2
BUS supply voltage 27 V DC
BUS supply voltage 29 V DC
Free topology (line, tree, star)
Free topology (line, tree, star)
Data transfer rate: 112500 bit/s
Data transfer rate: 9600 bit/s
The maximum bus cable length: 550m
The maximum bus cable length: 350m
The maximum number of bus units per line: 32
The maximum number of bus units per line: 64
The maximum number of unit under one central unit: 576
The maximum number of units: 58 thousand
Using API to central unit (ASCII communication) it is possible
to communicate with more systems within BMS
Parametrization
iNELS3 Designer & Manager (iDM3)
Easier
Engineering Tool Software (ETS5)
More complicated
ETS5 Proffesional – 1000 dollars
ETS Supplementary – 150 dolllars (you can buy only one
such license to Proffesional version)
Freeware
Addresses are assigned in the factory
Addressing: necessary assigning addresses or groups
Training
3 days, multimedia and 3rd party integration inlcuded
5 days, multimedia excluded
Multimedia extension
Custom Integrated Solutions (iMM)
LARA Intercom
Possibility to connect with Crestron, Control4, AMX, CUE
Third party system intergation
Apps for controlling
iNELS Home Control (iHC) – for free
the Android and iOS support
the Android and iOS support
Controllers
Bus controllers in LOGUS90 design and glass wall controllers
GSB3
Possibility to connect push-buttons of any manufacturer
and any design using binary inputs
Support many different manufacturers and designs
The price of controllers is higher than iNELS controllers
Flexibility
Within few days, max. weeks it possible to respond to the
requirements (FW, iDM3, iMM and iHC)
Almost impossible to respond to the requirements