Crime Scenes And How They Relate To The
Crime Scenes And How They Relate
To The Medical Field
Evidence and control of a crime scene
I don’t deal with crime scenes, I am in
the Medical field.
• Every time you deal with a person,
it could become a crime scene.
Retired Lieutenant from the Carmel Police Department
Worked 32 years in law enforcement, all of it on the street. Three
college degrees, Vietnam Vet.
Three years as a criminal investigator with the U.S. Army. Retired
18years as a detective with the Carmel Police Department.
Written three law enforcement manuals.
Appeared on National TV
Trained FBI profiler
Trained in Facs
Lectured all over the US for PATC
Police and Medical jobs are a lot alike
• We try and find out
what is wrong, then
we try to fix it.
• We have to
What happened before,
during and after.
That’s the easy
WHEREVER HE STEPS, WHATEVER HE TOUCHES, WHATEVER
HE LEAVES, EVEN UNCONSCIOUSLY, WILL SERVE AS SILENT
WITNESS AGAINST HIM, NOT ONLY HIS FINGERPRINTS OR HIS
FOOTPRINTS, BUT HIS HAIR, THE FIBERS FROM HIS CLOTHES,
THE GLASS HE BREAKS, THE TOOL MARK HE LEAVES, THE
PAINT HE SCRATCHES, THE BLOOD OR SEMEN HE DEPOSITS
OR COLLECTS, ALL BEAR SILENT WITNESS AGAINST HIM. THIS
IS EVIDENCE THAT DOES NOT FORGET. IT IS NOT CONFUSED
BY THE EXCITEMENT OF THE MOMENT. IT IS NOT ABSENT
BECAUSE HUMAN WITNESSES ARE. IT IS FACTUAL EVIDENCE.
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE CANNOT BE WRONG, IT CANNOT PERJURE
ITSELF, IT CANNOT BE WHOLLY ABSENT. ONLY ITS INTERPRETATION CAN ERR. ONLY HUMAN FAILURE TO FIND IT, STUDY AND
UNDERSTAND IT, CAN DIMINISH ITS VALUE.
To a defense lawyer, the scientific evidence in court
is the hardest evidence to contest in court, whether
it’s a blood test in a DUI or a ballistic test in a murder
case. They are at the mercy of a piece of paper.
What is a successful
• Crime scene processed and
• Witnesses interviewed and evidence
• The suspect was effectively
• Case report was written clearly and
• Testify to your actions in a court of
• It is not what you think, know, or
suspect. In the end, it’s what you can
prove in court.
The Golden Rule of Physical
• Once an object has been
touched or moved, it can
never be restored to its
original position or
• What you
do is what
will be on
When dealing with people, there are always
two crime scenes.
The body, dead or
• It doesn’t matter if it’s in the street or in
a hospital room.
• Everything and everybody is evidence.
• Evidence is drilled into police officers
during training and though out their
• Everything on the scene is under
• Every piece tells a little part of a story.
• Everything matters.
Police officers are
trained to protect
If it’s not protected
it can’t be used in
What two questions can
a crime scene answer?
• What happened?
• Who did it?
What is the first thing you do on a crime scene?
2. Medical aid
3. Secure the scene
You are always number 1
If you aren’t protected you can’t do your job.
You do not want to become part of the crime
Everything is Evidence
• Even what you see, do, touch, feel,
look at, when you do it, how you do
it, even what you say.
• Everything counts and has value at
It’s important to crime scenes because of
the way it moves and clots
• Unlike water, blood is a
living, breathing liquid.
• Blood can leave your
body in many ways.
• It may drip, ooze, flow,
gush, or spurt.
• Each movement leaves a
When it’s stepped on or
changed in anyway, it tells
a different story.
The height & direction which a drop of blood can be
6 to 12 inches
12 to 60 inches
2 to 3 yards
Who is the most
likely suspect in
• He had cut his left wrist
numerous times. The
pattern of the blood
showed that he had
walked in a
direction until he fell.
have to look close to
Determine the depth
and directions of each
wounds were fatal.
Check all wounds for
There’s Always a Reason Someone
Death cases can be classified as:
•If it’s not in the report,
medical or police, it
Check and re-check your spelling
In a major case, make sure everyone knows how the court system
• People we meet form up
to 90% of their opinion
about us within the first
• Your appearance affects
how others will respond
to you and treat you.
You are judged on your appearance?
• Clothing transmits
messages about the
attitudes, social status,
behavior and group
• What are they good for?
• They are fishing
• They want you to say
something that’s not in
your report, or say
something different than
what’s in your report.
• Many times, the attorney
will open with a
about your extensive
education or sterling
work career in an
attempt to get you to
drop your guard.
DON’T FALL FOR IT!
• He or she has no reason to compliment you.
• Remain on guard!
• There is always a reason for each and every
• Listen to the question, wait, gather your thoughts
and answer from your report.
Surviving the witness stand
Know your case well
Establish your credentials
Never answer more than one question at a time.
Listen to the entire question and understand
exactly what the lawyer is asking.
• Before answering, put your thoughts together.
• Answer only what is asked.
• Pay attention to your eye contact and body
This is important. Let’s recap.
Review all the reports before you testify.
If possible, meet with your lawyer before going to court.
Dress accordingly for court.
Listen to every question fully before you answer.
Never volunteer answers.
If you don’t fully understand the question, tell the lawyer you
don’t understand the question.
• Don’t be rushed.
• Always tell the truth, no matter what.
Stay in control of your emotions
Don’t make it personal
Treat each lawyer the same
Do the 1,2,3 count before answering questions
Answer one question at a time.
Have questions re-worded if you don’t like the way it’s
• You don’t want any surprises!