November - Lilydale Net

THE LILYDALE PROGRESSIVE
Volume 23, Issue 10
November 2002
Inside this issue:
Tas Regional Arts—
Lilydale
2
Retirement Homes & Day
3
Online Access Centre
Lilydale Landcare
4
Neighbourhood Watch
Lilydale PCYC
5
Mary Walsh Centre
6
CWA Notes
7
Village Green
8
Lions Club
9
Health Notes
Karoola Volunteer Fire
Brigade
10
Vet Talk
11
Gardening Tips
This Months Recipe
Mt Arthur Centre
12
Lilydale Football Club
Combined Charities
Christmas Card Shop
13
Community Noticeboard
14
Calendar
15
Classifieds
16
I've learned
that it isn't always enough
to be forgiven by others.
Sometimes you have to
learn to forgive yourself.
Editorial
The time has come to set the record
straight. Yes, Falls Farm is for sale. No,
Bryan and I are not leaving the district.
(I can hear some groans of despair
mixed in with those sighs of relief!)
After nearly 8 years living and running a
business at the farm, we have decided
it’s time to move out and give someone
else a go. (It does seem a little
ridiculous for just two of us to be
rattling around in that huge house, when
we’re really not running a business from
it anymore.) Hopefully we’ll find someone to take over where we left off. So if
you know of anyone that wants to run a
tearoom and Bed & Breakfast let me
know.
We’re planning on moving to another
property in Lilydale and start renovating
all over again. So after my comment
about getting my hands dirty in the last
Progressive I can say, unequivocally, yes
I did get dirt under my nails (nothing so
mundane as weeding though) I planted
some annuals in pots to brighten up the
verandah, I’ve also been upstairs sorting
out about 20 years worth of collecting
(mainly fabrics and wool etc). It’s
amazing to me just how much stuff you
can collect in such a relatively short
space of time. I took 6 garbage bags full
of material and wool to give to local
charities to use. (Cleaned up my place
and helped out a bit at the same time.)
The next step is to sort through all the
myriad other items collected and
hoarded over the years. Hmm I think
there will be one giant clearing sale
before we move. There’s no way all that
stuff will fit into a smaller house.
Well enough of that, one thing I did
notice was that of all the items I have
decided we don’t need anymore, our
family photo album was one of the
The Lilydale Progressive—November 2002
things I could never part with. The sad
thing was, when I looked through Mum’s
old album, I didn’t know half of the
names of the people in the pictures. This
is so true of images we keep from past
times. I’ll have to get my sister to come
over and go through them with me to
put names to faces.
Speaking of which, I was recently
fortunate to have access to some really
old photos of Lilydale. A former
resident of the district sent a stack of
photos from the 1920’s to the Lilydale
school, so I have set myself a new
project to collect and scan pictures from
Lilydale’s history and to document them
as best as I can while we still have
people with us who remember what
they were all about. Many of the photos
were Tennis related from the district.
Thanks to Kath Shepherd & Eunice Finan
I have been able to put names to some
of the faces and places in the pictures. If
you’d like to see the photos we have
already drop into the Centre, perhaps
you can help put names to the faces we
don’t know!
What I’d really like to do is extend this
project, so if you have some old photos
of Lilydale and you wouldn’t mind
sharing them with the rest of us, I would
urge you to contact me at the Access
Centre on 6395 1129. We’ll be able to
scan your pictures, (You don’t even
need to leave them with me, so they’ll
be perfectly safe) make some notes
about where and what they are all about
and that way your memories of Lilydale
will be available to future residents of
our lovely town.
If anyone else is interested in helping out
with this project please give me a call.
Wouldn’t it be great to put together a
pictorial history of Lilydale from the
point of view of its residents, Jayne
past and present.
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UPHOLSTERER
Stephen Griffin
6395 1323
Mobile: 0419 951 323
Brown Mountain Rd
Underwood
For all types of furniture
upholstery. Extensive range
of fabrics and vinyls
Tasmanian Regional Arts News:
The Mountain Day was quite successful; the weather
was fine (obviously there wasn’t a Village Green
working bee on that day), the plaster mountain was a
huge success, being painted and decorated by a willing
crew of littlies, and a few grown ups who couldn’t
resist later on (one member of the Fire Brigade was
just itching to have a go!).
Thank you to Class 6/7S for their poems/drawings and
myths, also to the school children who provided the
terrific paintings which were displayed in the Hall.
Free Quotes—No Obligation
One of the highlights of the day was the “Postcards to
the Mountain” exhibition, which drew a lot of
attention; the work presented by people from
Southern Regions was terrific.
SHEETMETALWORKS
The Myths presented have been collected and we will
work on putting them all together and presenting them
to the School Library, some great imaginations in
Lilydale!
available.
Need a new
water tank?
All sizes from 50-5000
Gallon. In Gal—Zinc or
Aquaplate.
New spouting,
downpipes, Stainless
Steel flue pipes etc.
Flashing, Roofing iron,
Bull nosing and all
general metal work.
Thank you also to our good friends the Lilydale Fire
Brigade for their support, the sausages and onions
were cooked to perfection and you didn’t have to use
your extinguishers!
Philomena Hali Workshop
A few places are still available for this outstanding
opportunity to work with this Artist.
November 6th and 7th at the Mt. Arthur Community
Centre. If you wish to attend, please contact Carol on
63 95 1263 as soon as possible, so that a materials list
can be given to you.
This will be a great workshop.
The Lilydale Players recently performed at the
Deloraine Drama Festival and were very pleased with
their performance. Congratulations to the Players.
NEED HELP?
Having trouble spelling or reading?
Why not try private tutoring.
Š No age limits
Š Total Confidentiality
Š Experienced Literacy Tutor
available at convenient times.
Š Rates Negotiable
Ph: Dirk Zwart
on 6395 6345
or come and see me at
20 Butlers Rd, Lebrina
The Lilydale Progressive—November 2002
The Valley Voices choir are back in full voice after a fair
amount of sickness. They performed at Aldersgate last
Tuesday and continue to bring enjoyment to many.
CAN YOU HELP - We are looking for
donations for the Central Feature on the Village
Green to help defray costs. This is a chance for
the men to say “see, I told you it would come in
useful one day!”
AXE HEADS; SHOVELS; WHEEL BARROW;
WOODEN TOOL HANDLES;
BLOCK
BUSTER; RAKE; MADDOCK.
If you can help out, please contact Carol.
Thank You.
Rocky and Leyla gave a presentation at the School
Assembly last week to a very interested audience.
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ELECTRICAL
CONTRACTOR
J.K & S.L LOONE
Lilydale Retirement Homes and
Day Care Inc
The Board of Management of the Association has
developed into a tight and efficient unit, and, as
anticipated in our first Progressive article, our last Board
meeting finished at a respectable hour.
One of the reasons for the smooth running of the
meetings is the allocation of individual responsibilities
to our 3 committee members.
The areas of Client Representation, Welfare and
Grounds/Maintenance are each represented by one
person.
This division of tasks contributes markedly to the
efficiency of the Board.
Our first Quarterly Members Meeting will be held on
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 12.30 p.m in the Old
Court Room, and all members of the Association are
cordially invited to attend. New members will be made
most welcome.
An important issue to be discussed will be the
development of the Association’s vacant land in Station
Road, so please, if you have any ideas or suggestions
bring them along to the meeting.
Frea Peschar
Secretary
In everyone's life, at some time, our inner fire goes out.
It is then burst into flame by an encounter with
another human being. We should all be thankful for
those people who rekindle the inner spirit.
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This Month’s Frog Joke
Something to Think About:
Lilydale Post Office
and Gift Shop
(LIC NO:C01599)
Q: What do frogs order when they go
to Mc Donalds?
A: French flies & Diet Croak!
Currently Australia Post is running two great competitions. To obtain an entry form
for the first competition, just pay any eligible bill at Australia Post (e.g. Launceston
City Council rates, Aurora, Telstra etc) and you will be in the running to win $20,000.
The second competition gives you the chance to win a trip to Ascot in England. To
enter, simply purchase a “Champion of the Turf Commemorative Stamp Pack” which
is available at the Lilydale Post Office to receive an entry form.
While paying your bill, why not check out the new range of Ink Group humorous
cards just arrived. There are cards for most occasions to choose from including a
large range of $1.75 greeting cards. With gift wrap at only $1 per sheet, it is an inexpensive way to send an attractively wrapped gift with a special card
to convey your message to your loved one.
Also arrived this week is brand new lines of gifts, including a large dolphin glass topped table. With dancing witches, a complete
new dolphin range, bears, frogs, boxed pens and key rings, there are many new delightful gift ideas with Christmas only just
around the corner. Call into the Lilydale Post Office to check out these new and exciting products.
To make sure that you do not mss out on that special Christmas or birthday gift please use our NO DEPOSIT LAYBY system to
hold that item, if you do not wish to take your purchase with you.
If you require any assistance with packaging, gifts, paying bills or banking at the Post Office, please ask the counter staff who will
gladly assist you.
Looking forward to catching up with you at the Lilydale Post Office
SEE YOU THERE !!!!
The Lilydale Progressive—November 2002
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Phone 6395 1131
Open Seven Days Per week
Monday—Friday
6.00am– 7.00pm
Sat/Sun & Public
Holidays
7.30am—6.00pm
b Wide range of car & 4 WD
b Mechanical Repairs available
tyres available, new or recaps.
7 days a week
b Century Batteries
b Car Services from $55
b Origin Energy Agent
b Agent for RACT
b Household bottles & gas bottle refills
Lilydale Online Access Centre
I thought this would be a great time to introduce some
of our stalwart volunteers to everyone. Every Saturday
morning the Access Centre is manned by one of our
volunteers. Each of the volunteers running the Centre
can help you use the computers just as well as I can (in
most cases they’re probably better at the technical side
of things than me!)
So if you have a problem come along on a Saturday
morning and talk to one of our volunteers.
1st Saturday: Colin Denney specializes in
programming, Excel, hardware conflicts, MYOB and
much more.
EFTPOS
2nd Saturday: Scott Livingston specialises in Access
databases and everything Office related. (He’s also a
dab hand at carpentry if you look at some of the lovely
photo frames we have in the Centre.)
BACKHOE HIRE
3rd Saturday: Nick Livingston who can help out with
all sorts of different questions.
ProP: Mark & Tynaha Lee
4 x 4 with extender dig
General
Earthmoving,
Foundations,
Footings, Drains,
Backfilling,
Clearing Etc
4th Saturday: Toby Smith is our Linux expert and
can help with any Office problems you may have.
So as you can see we have some very skilled volunteers
just waiting to help you out on a Saturday morning
here at the Access Centre.
Access Centre Opening Times
FOR FREE NO OBLIGATION QUOTE PHONE
TONY PINNER ON MOBILE:
0419 379 368 OR 6395 4248
Monday
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday
Friday
Saturday
closed
3 pm—7 pm
9 am—2 pm
3 pm—7 pm
2 pm—7 pm
9 am—12 noon
Ph/Fax: 6395 1129 to book your one hour session.
E-mail: [email protected] Web: www.lilydale.tco.asn.au
Lilydale Landcare
FRENCH ELECTRICAL
(Licence No: C0986)
Phone business hours
0418 146 977
Peter & Kathy
Grimditch
Underwood
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TV Antenna installations
Electrical installation & repairs
Free advice on heating, security, lighting &
smoke detection.
• Fully stocked wiring & maintenance
vehicle, including all hot water spares.
BANKCARD, MASTERCARD & VISA ACCEPTED
The Lilydale Progressive—November 2002
Thank you to all the volunteers who did a great job at
the last two working bees planting heaps of
understorey seedlings and moving the mountain of
mulch.
Please come to a general meeting on Wednesday 13th
November at 7.30 p.m. at the Mount Arthur Centre.
We have some exciting news about plans for the
extension of the Merthyr Park walking track. We
know you will want to hear about the adventure Gillian
and Natalia had with Chris Moore from the Parks and
Recreation Department-Launceston City Council.
They have some ideas for track extensions.
Membership fees are now due – so, please bring your
$5 to the general meeting and make our treasurer very
happy.
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Lilydale Neighbourhood Watch
There were several people who could not attend this
meeting and so our numbers were down.
This year is our 10th Anniversary of Neighbourhood
Watch. We will be having a special evening in December to celebrate and to present certificates to those
who have been dedicated zone leaders for the full 10
years. We will be holding this celebration at the
Providence Vineyards on 12/12/02 at 7pm.
We appreciate all that the Zone Leaders , new and old,
do for our area and would welcome anyone who
would like to be one in an area where they are not
currently covered. Our meetings are held on the 2nd
Thursday of each month at the Lilydale Fire Station.
These Zone Leaders are the ones who keep our
Neighbourhood Watch group going and keep a watch
out for any suspicious incidents in your areas so that
crime is kept to a minimum where possible.
Police Report:
Š 2 sheds were broken into at Wyena and number of
power tools and garden equipment was stolen.
Š There has been a vehicle acting suspiciously in the
above area. Anyone seeing any vehicles acting
suspiciously are asked to report them to their Zone
Leader or their local Police Officer.
Our next meeting will be on November 14th at 8pm at
the Lilydale Fire Station.
Touch Football Competition
Lilydale PCYC is looking for all those regardless of age
or fitness level who would like to become part of a
team or enter their own team in a local Touch Football
Competition and have some fun.
Teams need to consist of a minimum of 6 members or
preferably 9 (Male/Female or mixed)
it does not matter.
There is no restriction on ages, the idea is to compete,
have a bit of exercise and some fun.
Where: Meet in school car park (Behind Hall)
Games will be played on oval.
When: Tuesday nights 6 – 7 p.m. (Starting 29th
October)
Cost:
$2.00 per player
A few rules and instructions
will be explained as we go.
Come along, the more
people we get, the better
and more enjoyable it will be.
The Lilydale Progressive—November 2002
LILYDALE HAIR
SALON
PH: 63951365
Can’t find the door?
Our new entrance is from inside the Craft Shop
New Stylist Joy will be
available on Fridays.
Open 9.00am to 4.30pm
Mon, Wed, Thur, Fri
Geoff
McCarthy
Sand & Slate
Tip Truck Hire
Livestock Transport
Concrete & Road Gravel
Phone 6395 4278 Or
Mobile 0408 133 748
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With over 20 years experience in smash repairs
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Phone 6395 1391
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Weedon Real Estate
59 Cameron Street, Launceston
(03) 6331 3566
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PROPERTIES URGENTLY REQUIRED
In the Lilydale, Underwood, Karoola, Turners
Marsh, Bangor, Pipers River, Lebrina &
Golconda areas.
Weedon Real Estate has been successfully
selling Lilydale & District properties for well
over 10 years and currently are experiencing
unprecedented interest for properties in the
area with recent sales to the value of:
$1,105,000
So, if you are thinking of selling, contact your
local agent Tom Dancer, who has 15 years
experience in selling residential and rural
properties as well as farms and businesses.
Weedon Real Estate can offer you local
knowledge, local exposure on our display
board in Lilydale, and importantly we can
offer lower selling costs.
For an obligation free appraisal, please
contact Tom on 6395 1546 or
Mobile 0419 369 162
Flushed with
Success!
Village Green Toilets
Now Open!
The Lilydale Progressive—November 2002
Mary Walsh Centre
The Mary Walsh Centre, even though it has a different
name, continues to provide the same caring and
friendly environment for the people who attend. Many
and varies are the activities undertaken by its clients,
ranging from sedentary pursuits such as craft, quizzes
and discussions of the daily news, to excursions to
areas of interest and beauty and trips to visit other Day
Centres in the North.
The new Committee of Management has only six
members, who, however; still seem to do the work of
twelve! Hopefully, though the load will be considerably
lightened after the Centre’s Assessment at the end of
this year. Although no organisation can run one
hundred percent perfect, we still expect to receive a
creditable rating from the powers that be.
A concern to the staff and to the Committee of
Management of the Centre is the serious lack of
volunteers. We would urge anyone, male or female,
who has some time to spare on a Tuesday or
Thursday, between the hours of 10 and 3.30 to come
to the Centre to lend a hand to the hardworking staff.
No experience is necessary; all you need is the will to
help the Centre continue to provide a safe and friendly
environment for some of our more senior community
members.
For more information, please contact the Centre on 63
95 1316 between the hours of 9.30 and 4.00 on
Tuesdays and Thursdays and speak to our
Coordinator, Darian Davis-Alford.
Mary Walsh Centre News
Spring is well on the way now and as usual we are
having gusty winds which are often chilly. Frequent
showers of rain are making it rather unsuitable for
gardening or putting in crops as the soil is too wet to
cultivate. We are more fortunate than others who are
getting no rain, with bush fires as a result.
Our world is in turmoil but we are so much better off
than many others. For this we are grateful. Our woes
are minor compared with many.
At Day Care we have a haven from outside troubles.
We have plenty to eat, warmth and the company of
friends and helpers each day. When we are not well
we are treated with kindness and our doctor is close
by, if needed. Our craft lady, Sue, has many good ideas
for making articles of interest all of which are useful.
Our people went to Scottsdale to view their “Seniors
Week” Art and Craft exhibition and visit the folk at the
Scottsdale Day Care Centre.
Some of our clients are absent due to illness. We trust
they will soon be well again and back to join us.
The local gardens are resplendent with many beautiful
bulbs and annuals.
“One simple hug can do it’s part,
To warm and cheer another’s heart.
A hug’s a bit of heaven above
That signifies His perfect love.”
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CWA Notes
LALLY’S RALLY organised by the State C.W.A. at
the suggestion last year by Mrs. Marie Lally, the
Australian National President of CWA was held at
Camp Clayton 14th-16th October this year.
After a welcome to all by Mrs. Jill Hayes, Tas. State
President, Mrs. Lally spoke about the Rural Women’s
conference in Spain, from which she had just
returned – suffering from asthma, due to the polluted
air in Italy. She also spoke of where our parcels of
sewing aids and materials had helped in Samoa and of
teaching the women how to draft, cut and sew for
themselves. The first time of being there they had to
work on cleaned dirt floors; the next time they went
back, there were tables to work on. Sewing machines
are very hard to come by, and a lot of their sewing is
done by hand. After afternoon tea, there were
workshops to attend; Photography, Genealogy, Colour
Co-ordinating, Health Issues.
Following our evening meal, we were entertained by
some brave people dressed as Chinese in an
unrehearsed play called “the Stolen Prince”. It was
hilarious seeing them try walking with very small steps.
Tuesday and Wednesday mornings’ activities
commenced with stories by three ladies each morning
about their early lives and up to the present day. The
workshops on Tuesday, which lasted one and a half to
two hours, were C.P.R, cooking potatoes, stamping on
cards and re-potting orchids. After lunch, one hour of
Tai-Chi, this really impressed quite a few under active
ladies. Later there was a panel discussion on ‘Life
Experiences in Public’.
After a BBQ dinner we went inside for a sing-a-long
and reciting of bush poetry – celebrating the ‘Year of
the Outback’.
Wednesday morning our speakers were Sandra Parker
of the “Rural Women’s Secretariat” and a quarantine
officer with his sniffer dog ‘Kimberley’. A very alert
border collie/kelpie.
After morning tea a Panel Discussion on “Rural
Communities and Volunteering” given by Marie Lally,
Jan Richardson and Clemencia Barnes.
Then, lunch clean up, pack up and head home.
You may be interested to know that Mrs. Lally had
nothing but praise for the clean, clear air of Tassie –
her asthmna had almost cleared up in the 2 days that
we were there.
Norma Bardenhagen.
On the 23rd October, our own Lilydale branch
provided a light lunch and some entertainment for 17
tourists and four leaders, plus bus driver from W.A.
Our next C.W.A. Meeting Wednesday November 6th,
1.30 p.m. at 42 Station Road, Lilydale.
Please! Does anyone know the words of “On Top of
Spaghetti” (to the tune of “On Top of Old
Smokey”), particularly the second verse – when a
lovely spaghetti tree covered in tomato sauce and
meatballs grows? – Help would be appreciated.
The Lilydale Progressive—November 2002
Kelly Chugg
Tree Trimming, Lopping,
Felling & Removal
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Tasmanian Tiger Information
see
Buck and Joan Emberg's
Website
www.tasmanian-tiger.com
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Village Green
Wulfs Rd,
Underwood, Tasmania 7268
Phone(03) 6395 4442 Mobile 0409 006 962
Specialising in:
HAZALEAS H RHODODENDRONS H
H CONIFERS FLOWERING EVERGREENS H
H BUXUS & HEDGING PLANTS H
Advisory Services
H PROPAGATION H
H GROWING MEDIA & SOILS H
H GARDENS OF HIGH & LOW MAINTENANCE H
H PLANNING & ESTABLISHMENT H
H TREE EVALUATION H
H IRRIGATION SYSTEMS H
H SUBURBAN GARDEN DESIGN H
BUILDER
Ricky Hill
285 Brown Mountain Rd,
Karoola
Qualified Tradesman
New Homes
Extensions
Renovations
General Maintenance
Concrete Slabs
Paths etc
Phone 6395 4304 or
0417 519 502
The Lilydale Progressive—November 2002
I don’t think you have to be a genius to work out that
we have almost been thwarted at nearly every turn by
the weather. We have only been able to schedule two
successful working bees since the beginning of June.
On every other occasion wet weather has created a
quagmire and prevented us from making desired
progress. In fact, it is now eleven weeks since the
foundation holes were dug for the shelter and they
have virtually been filled with water since. Hopefully
this will change over the next couple of weeks or so.
However, despite all of the setbacks, we decided to
concentrate on the toilet block end of the site and to
carry out work during the week with the view to
beating the weekend rain cycle. This has worked out
successfully and the toilets and other facilities next to
the takeaway being opened on the weekend of 26th. &
27th. October.
Apart from acknowledging the helpers who turned up
at our Saturday working bees, a few people deserve a
special mention for offering their assistance during the
mid week working phase. Firstly Colin Crook, who
helped with the construction of the notice boards and
quite a bit of wheelbarrow and shovel work. Secondly,
Gillian Robnik devoted quite a bit of time towards
selecting the special plants and shrubs we were seeking
and also created the painted mountain scene on the
takeaway wall as a backdrop for the eating area.
Rather nice - don’t you think?
Peter Hall also chipped in by installing many of the
special fittings in the toilets and Rex McKercher
ploughed up the area between the toilets and the
notice board with his tiller. Max Williams went out of
his way to make sure that some of the special items for
the toilets were manufactured and supplied at short
notice and Carol painted the complete notice board
structure. Last, but certainly not least, Simon Locket
made sure that all necessary plumbing work was
completed (without labour cost) by the opening date.
All in all, it has been a concentrated effort to get the
toilet block end of the site opened. We are quite
pleased with the work to date and we certainly hope
the community makes full use of the facilities.
Remember, the Village Green is being constructed
primarily for the Lilydale & District community.
Certainly, we welcome visitors, but at the end of the
day the facilities are mainly for our use.
The Community notice board has been provided
with two objects in mind.
Firstly the central
chalkboard section is for community groups to
promote their functions during the week prior to the
events. The board has been divided into two sections,
to allow for two groups to advertise concurrently. At
this stage, we do not think that a “booking system” is
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Your Local Jim
Does More Than
Just Mow Lawns...
warranted. If groups adopt the idea that they only use
the board for the week leading up to their events, two
lots of advertising should be sufficient.
The two wing boards are for community groups to
promote their existence, what they do, when they do
it and who should be contacted for further details.
We have made arrangements with Jayne Saddington at
the Online Centre who will assist groups to design &
lay out their posters, and have it laminated for a
virtually nominal cost. A4 size from $4 and A3 size
from $7.
If we do it this way, there will be some form of
uniformity to all of the posters, which will be affixed to
the two wing boards. At such a low cost, each poster
can be renewed at least annually, with new contact
numbers etc.
Obviously, further working bees will be held on
Saturdays, with the view to having as much of the
project finished by Christmas. Again, please check the
notice boards at the Village Green and outside the Post
Office and come and join us for a few hours.
Your "Local Jim" is a whole lot more than a lawnmower man.
He's more like your very own garden maintenance man!
Your "Local Jim" owns his own Jim's Mowing Franchise and is
fully trained. That means you can rely on him to do a
professional job, on time - every time.
All the work your "Local Jim" does for you is unconditionally
guaranteed and full insurance cover is in his price.
Ask for an obligation-free
appraisal on any of these services
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Tree Lopping
Planting
Gutter Cleaning
Yard Clean-Ups
Path Paving
Reticulation
Overhanging
Branches Cleared
Ray Johnson
Jim’s Mowing Newnham
Strom Charlton (Project Co-ordinator)
367 Lalla Road, Lalla 7267
Phone: 6395 4470
ABN: 23 432 684 178
Lions Club News
Please mention my name when booking
th
On the 10 of November, we will be holding our
Senior Citizens Bus Trip – this year to the Forestry
Interpretation Centre and afternoon tea at Scottsdale.
Buses will leave the swimming pool area at 12.30 p.m.
If no answer, call 131 546
Our Annual Xmas Cake drive will be held on Saturday
7th December 2002 when Santa Claus will be helping us
to sell our lovely Christmas cakes. Price this year is
$11.00 per cake. The Lilydale Fire Brigade will be
helping us on the day – we are very grateful for their
help.
We have started to organise our second Dog’s Day
Out planned for 2 March 2003, at the Lilydale Football
Ground. The format will be similar to that of last year
with some changes in the displays. Put the date in your
dog’s diary! Expressions of interest from stall holders
would be appreciated, contact Stephen Griffin on
6395 1323.
O ur
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meeting
at
Falls Farm will
be held on
Wednesday
6th November. This will
also be our
A.G.M. We
wish Jayne and Brian all the best for their future endeavours and thank them for their hospitality over the
years.
The Lilydale Progressive—November 2002
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Lilydale Pharmacy
Quit smoking!!
The best health decision you can
make-for you and your family.
We can help you.
HEALTH NOTES
From the Lilydale Pharmacy
Men’s Health
Men might appear to be better off than
women – and that may be so in the workforce, but
certainly not when it comes to health. The average life
expectancy for an Australian male is about 75 years,
compared with 81 for Australian women. It is not only
that men die earlier than women. Men also suffer more
from conditions such as heart disease and colon
cancer; and they are more likely to suffer
accident-related injuries.
It seems there are a number of reasons why men’s
health is poorer than women’s: men are more likely to
smoke, be overweight, have high blood pressure and
consume harmful quantities of alcohol.
Furthermore, men are less likely than women to
consult their doctor on a regular basis. In the typical
family unit, it is the wife and mother who is mostly
concerned with healthcare, both for herself and her
husband and children. From puberty, through their
child-bearing years and onwards, women get into that
good habit of regularly seeing their GP. It is only with
great reluctance that most men would even consider
consulting their doctor. By the time we get to our 40s
and 50s our bodies may begin to show signs of wear
and tear. Regular ‘check-ups’ and ‘maintenance’ procedures, which women are so used to having carried out,
will be able to prevent serious illness or at least allow
for early diagnosis and effective treatment. So it should
be for men.
Even if no health problems are apparent, from the age
of 50 onwards men should attend their GP for a check
up at least every two years. If men have the occasion
The Lilydale Progressive—November 2002
to visit a doctor, say for the treatment of an injury, or
perhaps travel vaccinations, they should take the
opportunity to have their blood pressure and blood
sugar levels checked. Conditions such as hypertension
and diabetes can occur with few symptoms and little or
no warning.
There are, of course, some special health issues for
men, such as prostate problems. The prostate gland is
at the base of the bladder where it makes a fluid that
lubricates sperm. The gland is about the size of a
walnut and has a hole through the middle like a doughnut. The tube (known as the urethra) which empties
urine from the bladder, passes through this hole. As
men get older the prostate can become enlarged,
pinching the urethra and upsetting normal urine flow –
causing sometimes uncomfortable or embarrassing
symptoms. There are several causes of enlarge
prostate - some simple and some more serious – but
nearly all can be treated effectively if diagnosed early.
At the pharmacy we have information and fact cards on
most health issues. Some are; Bowel Cancer, Prostate
problems,
High Blood Pressure,
Sleeping Problems, Heartburn and
Indigestion and Gout. Each fact card
offers information about signs and
symptoms, self help procedures and
when to seek further medical advice.
Karoola Volunteer Fire Brigade
Well its time again to be aware of our surrounds at
home and on our properties. Have you changed your
smoke detector batteries yet? A good gauge is at the
start of day light savings and at the end of day light
savings.
Along with last years growth and this years we must be
more diligent about our surrounds which includes tree
trimming along with the cleaning of our spouts, grass
and scrub from around our houses and sheds.
Also in conciliation with our neighbours you may need
to ‘burn off’ some areas so, DO IT NOW, don’t leave
it too late as our Permit Officer might have to say NO!
to a burn off, depending on the conditions at the time.
Our permit officers are able to give you advice with
your burn-off so please don’t hesitate to ask “its better
to ask than find yourself in a spot of bother”.
Please protect yourself and family along with your
property against FIRE.
Report any suspicious smoke or any people in the area
by calling 000.
On a more lighter note, Karoola Volunteer Fire
Brigade has some firewood for sale.
For inquiries please phone Bob on 63 95 4194
Please have a FIRE SAFE SEASON
Leon King - Brigade Chief
Karoola Volunteer Fire Brigade
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Vet Talk
by Lilydale-Karoola Veterinary Service
Bad Dogs?
A large percentage of dogs that are euthanased at the
pound and by welfare organisations are young healthy
dogs. While it is certain that more universal desexing
of pets would reduce this number this is not the full
story. One important cause of young dog euthanasia is
behavioural problems. Some common examples would
be:
Aggressiveness
Disobedience
Destructiveness
Hyperactivity
It is very sad that young healthy dogs are destroyed as
well as the many other people and their dogs who are
not enjoying each other as a result of these problems.
What can we do about it?
It can be difficult (but usually not impossible) to correct
behavioural problems when they have been going a
long time and the behavior has become ingrained, so
prevention right from the beginning is the way to go.
¾ Buy the right breed or type of dog. The breed you
admire most may not suit your lifestyle or
personality. If you live in town with little area for
off lead exercise don’t buy a working dog such as a
Border Collie. If these dogs don’t get heaps of
exercise (and companionship) that energy will be
directed somewhere else – barking, digging or
destructiveness. Some breeds have a greater
requirement for company and mental stimulation
than others do – the German Shepherd would be a
good example.
¾ Start obedience training early in life, that is, as soon
as you take your puppy home at 8 weeks of age.
You need to make a point of training him, dogs
don’t just “pick up” what they should know. There
are many places that you can go with young pups
to learn how to teach your dog and these days it is
by “positive reinforcement” rather than “reward
and punishment”, an important difference if you are
teaching very young dogs or those with a more
soft temperament.
¾ Don’t expect children to look after and train the
dog. They don’t have the maturity or experience.
Make the dog a family responsibility.
¾ Decide how you want your dog to behave and
work out or find out how to achieve that. Do not
put up with behaviour you don’t like but
understand that your dog doesn’t know you don’t
like it unless you teach him that that is the case.
The Lilydale Progressive—November 2002
Lilydale-Karoola Veterinary Service
a branch of Scottsdale Vet Service
Main Rd, Lilydale Ph: 6395 1271
ALL HOURS
Ron Harris BVSc MRCVS, QDAH
Marion Welch BSc BVMS
Martina McPeace BVSc
CONSULTING HOURS
Mon-Fri: 9-10 am & 5-6 pm
By appointment
All species attended
Full Surgical, Laboratory, Dental, Radiology,
Clipping & Grooming Services available,
Johnes Disease Accreditation, Mastitis,
nutrition & reproductive programmes for cattle
Again positive reinforcement is the preferred way –
teach him what you like him to do not just what
you don’t like.
¾ Give your dog plenty of exercise (more than just
the freedom of the yard), mental stimulation and
companionship. A daily walk with the owner
contributes to all these requirements and this is
also good for the human too! Young dogs of all
breeds have heaps of energy, which has to have an
outlet.
These days there is help available from obedience clubs
and private organisations when you have dog trouble
but results will only be achieved if you and your family
are committed to the time and effort required. If you
are not then your dog may join those thousands of
others that have their lives cut short in their prime or
who lead a confined and frustrating existence as their
owners try to manage their behavioural problems.
Bardenhagens
Supermarket
No 1 in Lilydale
Great Service, Greater range of goods & the
Greatest Value in Town
Enjoy the friendship at your local
Community Store
Karlene,
Sally
& Staff
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Gardening Tips:
Hello from the Mt Arthur Centre
Easy Summer:
Laying down organic mulch will give you less to do in
your garden during the coming busy Christmas and
holiday season. If you also install a drip irrigation
system that lies hidden under the mulch you will have
even more time to relax under a shady tree this
summer.
Hello everyone, We've had a very busy month with
much work happening on the straw bale room. We will
be holding working bees for the community to join in
with every Saturday in November, so if you're at all
interested in straw bale building or would like to help
or would just like to say hello, please feel free to come
up and see what we're up to. The main person doing
the building, Matthew Parnell will be leaving the state in
the first week of December, so it's full steam ahead!!
Cucumbers:
Cucumbers grow well if you plant them between sweet
corn, providing the cucumbers with some much
needed shade from our summer sun, keeping their
roots cool, and giving them something to climb on.
Cucumbers are prone to fungal disease when the fruit
touches the soil so growing them among sweet corn
allows the fruit to hang safely above the soil.
This Months Recipe
Tiny Christmas Puddings
Fun to make and decorate with (the help of) children.
Ingredients
· 1 bought dark fruitcake approx 800g (a cheap
one is fine)
· 200/250g block dark chocolate
· 125g butter
· 2 tablespoons of rum or Grand Marnier or
brandy or orange juice
· optional: extra fruit or citrus peel, very finely
chopped, or orange zest (finely grated peel)
To ice:
· white glace icing (1 cup icing sugar mixture and
about 1 tablespoon water)
· silver cachous or glace cherries
Method
Melt the butter and chocolate together in a bowl over
very hot water. While it is melting, crumble the fruit
cake into a large bowl. Add the rum/Grand Marnier/
brandy/orange juice and mix it through. Stir the melted
butter/chocolate mixture until it is combined and pour
it into the cake mixture. Mix well until all is combined.
Prepare two swiss-roll size baking trays with
greaseproof paper. Take one teaspoon of the mixture
and roll into a ball, place on trays and continue until
you have used up all the mixture. This size will make
between 70 and 80 tiny Christmas puddings.
Put the trays into the refrigerator for 1-2 hours to allow them to set.
Prepare the white glace icing. Ice the tiny puddings,
allowing the icing to trickle down the sides of the
puddings. Put a small piece of glace cherry or a silver
cachou on top of each one and return to the refrigerator to set - a day or two gives the flavour time to develop. You could also use the Royal Icing on these tiny
Christmas puddings. Store in the refrigerator
(especially in the heat of an Australian Christmas!).
These make excellent presents.
The Lilydale Progressive—November 2002
The Kepler Ensemble have once again kindly offered to
provide the Centre with a magical evening of music and
candle light. As in previous concerts the hall will be
completely candle lit and looks just beautiful. If you can
make it to this special Christmas concert you will be
delighted I'm sure. It will be on the evening of Saturday
23rd November at 8pm. All proceeds will go toward
the straw bale construction. The cost is $10.00 per
person and includes supper.
We are having a BBQ to celebrate our 2nd year since
our official opening, a public viewing of the straw bale
building, the giving out of thank you certificates to
those who have helped at the Centre this year and a
10 minute 'special general meeting' for all members of
the Mt Arthur Centre. (This will be to accept our
amended constitution). The board would like to extend
a warm welcome to all those who would like to see
what we've been up to this year (eg our tree planting
and improvements). Hamburgers, sausages and salads
will be provided. Please BYO drinks. BBQ to start at
5.30pm, special general meeting and certificates at
aprox 7.30pm. Please come along and perhaps see
what you could use this community facility for.
Please RSVP by 20th Nov to help with catering
numbers.
Don't forget to contact Regional Arts to book your
place for the mud dyeing workshop with Philomena
Hali on Weds 6th Nov and Thurs 7th Nov. $10.00 for
members and $20.00 for non-members for the 2 day
workshop. Contact Carol on 6395 1263.
Is there anyone else interested in joining a Yoga class at
the Centre. If so could you please let me know your
preferred days and times.
That's all for now. Any enquiries or information
needed, please phone the Centre on 6395 1201.
Cheers, Maggie.
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Lilydale Football
Thanks to a good year by the ladies in the Canteen
(almost $8,000 was raised for club funds), the club will
show a profit again this year.
Early, unaudited
calculations are, the results for 2002 will go close to
cancelling out the loss made last year. As well as the
good canteen result the profit was achieved through
better attendances at Home games and some cost
cutting. It was also achieved despite some sharp
increases in costs, the unavoidable ones that have to be
paid, insurance, umpires, electricity etc.
Next year will see some coaching changes, Steve
Buchanan (Bucky) has been appointed Seniors coach
but all other positions are open at the moment. With
elections due, the new committee can have a say and
there are indications that there are coaches who wish
to stand down and perhaps take up a different role in
the club. Coaching today is very much a teaching role
and through the AFL there are training courses
available, the club pays the costs of ‘coaching the
coaches’.
The Victorian Auskick Coach of the Year (2001) was a
woman, people believe that women are more patient
with young children and that appear to be true. New
people are needed to give the club energy and perhaps
revitalise some of the old bodies about the place.
Interested? Please let us know.
The change back to a Presentation Dinner saw nearly
90 people sit down for a meal so would be declared a
success, the downer was about a dozen people failed
to turn up and the Club still had to pay for their meals.
With some healthy appetites the food was not wasted
though.
Results of the Awards for the 2002 season are available
from the Club.
Combined Charities Christmas
Card Shop
The Combined Charities Christmas Card Shop will be
operating in Launceston again this year.
Located in the Bookshop of the City Mission in
Wellington Street opposite Begents, the shop will sell a
large range of Christmas cards provided by many
charitable organisations.
Christmas Cakes and Puddings from a local Rotary
Club will also be available.
The shop is run by volunteers from the various
charities represented so all the profits go back to the
charities.
From Monday October 14th till Wednesday
December 18th the shop will be open between
9.30am and 4.00pm every day Monday to Friday
The shop will also be open from 5.30pm till 8.00pm
on Friday November 8th.
The Lilydale Progressive—November 2002
MICHAEL P FRANKE
JOINERY
Kitchens, Bathrooms, Doors,
Frames, Furniture and all
other Joinery work.
Made to your requirements.
Free measure & quotes,
advice & ideas
671 Brown Mountain Rd,
Underwood 7268
Ph: 03 6395 1147
The Gift of Life
On the very first day, God created the cow. He
said to the cow, "Today I have created you! As a
cow, you must go to the field with the farmer all
day long. You will work all day under the sun! I
will give you a life span of 50 years."
The cow objected, "What? This kind of a tough life you want
me to live for 50 years? Let me have 20 years, and the 30
years I’ll give back to you." So God agreed.
On the second day, God created the dog. God said to the
dog, "Your job is to sit all day by the door of your house.
Any people that come in, you will have to bark at them! I’ll
give a life span of 20 years."
The dog objected, "What? All day long to sit by the door?
No way! I give you back my other 10 years of life!" So God
agreed.
On the third day, God created the monkey. He said to the
monkey, "Monkeys have to entertain people. You’ve got to
make them laugh and do monkey tricks. I’ll give you 20 years
life span."
The monkey objected. "What? Make them laugh? Do
monkey faces and tricks? Ten years will do, and the other 10
years I’ll give you back." So God agreed.
On the fourth day, God created man and said to him, "Your
job is to sleep, eat, and play. You will enjoy many things in
your life. All you need to do is to enjoy and do nothing. This
kind of life, I’ll give you a 20 year life span."
The man objected. "What? Such a good life! Eat, play, sleep,
do nothing? Enjoy the best and you expect me to live only
for 20 years? No way, man!…Why don’t we make a deal?
Since the cow gave you back 30 years, and the dog gave you
back 10 years and the monkey gave you back 10 years, I will
take them from you! That makes my life span 70 years,
right?" So God agreed.
And that is why…In our first 20 years, we eat, sleep, play,
enjoy the best and do nothing much. For the next 30 years,
we work all day long, suffer and get to support the family.
For the next 10 years, we entertain our grandchildren by
making monkey faces and monkey tricks. And for the last 10
years, we stay at home, sit by the front door and bark at
people!
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Lebrina Garden Luncheon
Will be held at John & Dulcie Williams
25 Pipers Brook Road,
Thursday 7th November, 12.30 p.m.
Charge $8.00 Trade Table
Proceeds St. Andrews Church
Everyone welcome
Lilydale Out of School and
Vacation Care Centre is open!!!
Enrolment forms are available from the
Lilydale District School Office.
Children 4-12 years welcome.
Please enrol now for permanent
or casual use.
History Group meeting for November
will be held in the Old Court House
at 8pm on Friday 22nd (4th Friday of
the month) for November only due to
conflict with Scottsdale show.
Interested in local history?
Lilydale History Group meets monthly in the old
courtroom at the Old Courthouse Complex, Main Road,
Lilydale.
Do come along and say hello on the 3rd Friday of the month,
meetings are open to the interested public from 7.30 pm in
Winter and 8pm in summer
For further information: Write to:
The Secretary, Lilydale History Group,
PO Box 3, Lilydale, 7268
Email: [email protected]
Telephone Helen on 6395 2060
Website at: www.lilydale.tco.asn.au/history
Lilydale Baptist
Fellowship
The Lilydale Baptist Fellowship meets in the
Day Care Room (Cnr Main Rd and Lalla
Road) each Sunday at 7.00 pm.
Contact David or Jessie Brown on 6395 1245
Wanted
Everyone very Welcome
Help! Who is this Man?
A Pictorial History of
Lilydale, is the latest
project of the Lilydale
Online Access Centre.
If you can help out with
old photos (we don’t
want to keep them we
only want to copy them!)
Information about the
pictures we already have
or if you’re just interested
in giving us a hand contact
Jayne Saddington on
6395 1129
Let’s leave a legacy of life in Lilydale for
future generations.
The Lilydale Progressive—November 2002
Lions Needs You
WE NEED MEMBERS. ANY AGE OVER 18 MALE OR FEMALE
A fun way to meet and
help the community
Phone: Amanda Olson—6395 4347
Stephen Griffin—6395 1323
Lions Club of Lilydale
Prayer Community
A number of people joining together for prayer
Last Monday of each month
7.30 pm—8.00 pm in the Old Library
Non Denominational — Everyone Welcome
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November 2002
Mon
Tue
Wed
Senior Citizens
1.30pm
Lilydale
Playgroup
10-12
4
11
Retirement
Units
TOCHC 12.30
Members meeting
18
25
5
CWA
Lions
Falls Farm
7.30 pm
12
13
19
Fri
Sat
Sun
Thursdays &
Tuesdays:
Day Care
9am-3pm
1
2
3
9
10
16
17
22
23
24
29
30
6
Progress
Association
TOCHC 7.30pm
Touch Footy
EVERY Tuesday
6-7pm
Thu
7
Philomena Hali
Workshop also
on 6th
14
Landcare
Meeting 7.30pm Neighbourhood
Watch
Mt Arthur
Fire
Station
Centre
Tas Regional
Arts
7.30 pm
20
Lions
7.30 pm
21
26
27
28
Mary Walsh
Centre
7.30 pm
Pasta Wreath Photo Frame
Make a Pasta Wreath Photo Frame for your parents
and grandparents. They are fun and easy to make.
Parental supervision is recommended with the spray
paint.
This project is rated EASY to do.
What You Need
· Cardboard
· Scissors
· Hole punch
· Pencil
· Circle patterns
· Gold metallic spray paint
· Uncooked Pasta (a variety
of fun shapes)
· Glue
· Photo
· Ribbon (optional)
The Lilydale Progressive—November 2002
8
15
History Group
TOCHC 7.30 pm
Paint Shop Pro
Group
Access Centre
12-3pm
How To Make It
1. Draw a circle on the poster board about 4" in
diameter (use a tin can, butter tub lid, etc. for a
pattern).
2. Draw a smaller circle in the middle of the first
one - make it a size (opening) that will fit your
photo.
3. Cut out both circles to make a wreath shape.
4. Use a hole puncher to make a hole for hanging.
5. Glue on various pasta shapes (shells and bows
work beautifully) to make a pattern on the wreath.
6. Let dry overnight.
7. Spray paint the ornament with gold metallic paint.
8. Let dry completely.
9. Add your name and date to the back of the picture.
10. Glue or tape the photo onto the back of the
ornament so that it will show in the center of the
wreath.
11. Attach a decorative ribbon if desired.
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LILYDALE DISTRICT PROGRESS ASSOCIATION INC
PO BOX 3
LILYDALE, TAS 7268
AUSTRALIA
For Sale:
Pea Straw $4 per bale.
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Wanted:
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Club Contact 6395 1323 or 6395 4193
Positions Wanted:
House Cleaner Available
Reasonable Rates, References Available, Honest, Reliable,
efficient
Phone Debbie. 6395 4373
Thank you Lilydale
Lyn and I would like to take this opportunity to give
our sincere thanks to the Lilydale Fire Brigade,
Ambulance Drivers and all those in the Lilydale
Community who helped out after my accident earlier
this year.
Lyn & Steve Cornelius
Coach Tours
INTRA-STATE, INTERSTATE, TOURS AND CHARTERS, YOUTH GROUPS,
CHARTERS AND CAMPS OUR SPECIALITY
DELORAINE CRAFT FAIR: 2nd November $15 pp (coach only) depart 8.30 am from Lilydale.
HOBART CASINO/SALAMANCA DAY TRIP: 9th November depart Lilydale 7.30 a.m. $10.00 pp if 4 hours
spent at Casino or $25.00 pp if you wish to spend the day shopping etc.
CHRISTMAS GET AWAY– DON’T SPEND THE FESTIVE SEASON ALONE: Join us for four days of fun and
adventure tour includes Stephen’s Honey, Cradle Mountain, Western Explorer Road, Arthur River
Cruise and more—$625.00 pp ts
RIVERDANCE DEC: Sat 25 January 2003, 2.00 pm show $100.00pp (coach and entry) depart Lilydale
8.30am—immediate bookings required to enable purchase of tickets
5 DAY TOUR IN PARADISE—FLINDERS ISLAND departs April 2003 $1100.00 pp ts itineraries available.
PLEASE NOTE OUR COUNTRY CLUB CASINO, LAUNCESTON free bus will now be the THIRD WEDNESDAY of
the month, departing Lilydale 11.00 am and returning from the Casino at 4.30 pm—bookings
essential. Next Trip 20th November
For Itineraries/Bookings or Further Information please call.
Jill & Mick Barrett, Barrett’s Coaches, 5 Cameron St, Scottsdale
Phone (03) 6352 3301
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