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April, 2013 Volume 16, Number 2
The National Presbyterian
The National Presbyterian
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A News Magazine
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National Council of
Presbyterian Fourth Day
Movements and the
National Council of
Presbyterian Cursillo
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April, 2013
By no means for the first time in our long history,
Presbyterians are in disagreement about theological issues. Cursillo and Pilgrimage have no place
or time for such disputes in our programs. What
to do if such disputes arise? The information here
is from the text of our National Training program.
in supporting our side of the issues personally
– but we leave all that at home when we
come to work at Cursillo. Remember,
Theological Issues in Dispute:
Not at Cursillo or Pilgrimage
2. We are about spirituality, not about theological and political disputes.
Other expressions of Cursillo have reported pressure to get involved in political and theological
issues within the church.
3. As Cursillo, we have no interest in, nor
time for, such issues – no matter our personal
opinions. Remember – it’s for the pilgrims! It
is a spiritual retreat for the pilgrims.
National Episcopal Cursillo has written a policy
statement that our own national councils have
adopted:
“Regardless of permutations in institutions, Cursillo has always kept its eyes firmly focused on
Jesus and on the Mission. One of the principles
of the Cursillo movement is that:
1. Cursillo is a spiritual retreat, not a doctrinal debating club.
4. Never even imply agreement or disagreement with any such issues, should they come
up.
5. If someone brings up such an issue – and
it has happened at a Presbyterian Cursillo
weekend:
“We focus on Christ and His resurrection power in our lives, transforming us into the people
He would have us be. Theological and political issues have no part of our agenda!
a. Pass over it.
“This movement is neither liberal nor conservative. It is Christ-centered and Christfocused. We must keep this in mind and heart
as we do what responsibility calls us to do in
considering future possibilities and possible
adjustments to them.
c. If it still continues to come up, explain
that Cursillo has no position on such issues.
“Our policy is that we will not be a political or
social agenda organization…”
Understand, most of us have strong, personal
opinions about such issues – some of us are active
b. If it continues to come up, explain that
we don’t have the time to discuss such
issues at Cursillo.
d. If it persists, ask one of the spiritual
advisors to talk with the pilgrim(s) who
keep(s) bringing it up.
There is simply no way in which such disputes can help us carry out our mission—they
can only hinder us.
Tom
The National Presbyterian
April, 2013 Volume 16, Number 2
Contents
1. Theological Issues In Dispute: Not at Cursillo
or Pilgrimage
2. Contents
2. Your Very Own Angel Says:
2. Is It A Record? Nine communities scheduled to
hold retreats the same weekend.
3. Tornado! Westminster Presbyterian Church is
Severely damaged.
4. Rita and Roy
5. National Councils Meet: Report on the 3/22 and
3/23 gathering in Baton Rouge.
7. The Renewal/Reunion Group Card
7. Cartoon.
8. The Pre Cursillo: Setting the Stage for a
Successful Weekend and Productive 4th Day.
9. National Dues: Would you believe they’re
Voluntary?
9. Cartoon
10. Love Feast—Used at a successful planning re
treat.
11. Insurance?! What’s that got to do with Cursillo
or Pilgrimage?
12. Change?! How many Presbyterians...
13. Book Review: Finding the Real Jesus By Lee
Strobel. (How to refute skeptics and false teach
ing.)
14. Cursillista Two Years Back Issues On Line
14. The Next Issue
14. Cartoon
14. Web Site Links
14. About Book Reviews
15. Weekends Currently Scheduled
16. Contacts—Who to e-mail or call for information
and pilgrim or staff applications
Your very own angel says:
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The National
Presbyterian
April, 2013
A Publication of The National Council of Presbyterian
Fourth Day Movements and
The National Council of Presbyterian Cursillo
The Communities:
Alabama Presbyterian Cursillo
Arkansas Presbyterian Pilgrimage
Austin (Texas) Presbyterian Pilgrimage
Chicagoland Presbyterian Pilgrimage
Colorado Presbyterian Pilgrimage
Eastern Oklahoma Presbyterian Cursillo
Eastern Virginia Presbyterian Pilgrimage
Florida Presbyterian Cursillo
Georgia Presbyterian Cursillo
Houston Presbyterian Pilgrimage
Indiana Presbyterian Cursillo
James (Virginia) Presbyterian Pilgrimage
Louisiana Presbyterian Pilgrimage
Michigan Presbyterian Pilgrimage-Detroit
Michigan Presbyterian Pilgrimage-Lake Michigan
Mississippi Presbyterian Cursillo
Nebraska/Iowa Presbyterian Pilgrimage
North Carolina Presbyterian Pilgrimage—East
North Carolina Presbyterian Pilgrimage—Piedmont
North Carolina Presbyterian Pilgrimage—West
North Texas Presbyterian Pilgrimage
Oklahoma Presbyterian Pilgrimage
Palo Duro (Texas) Presbyterian Cursillo
Peaks (Virginia) Presbyterian Pilgrimage
Shenandoah (Virginia) Presbyterian Pilgrimage
South Carolina Presbyterian Pilgrimage
Tennessee Valley Presbyterian Cursillo
Editor—Tom Fox [email protected]
Is It A Record?
Make a note to remind yourself: God
really does love you!
The weekend of April 18 thru 21 will see
what may be a new record for our Presbyterian fourth day movements. Ten of our communities will be holding Presbyterian Cursillo
or Pilgrimage retreats at that time. That
would be a very good piece of information to
pass along to the moderator of each of those
weekends, as well as to the fourth day as a
whole.
Tom
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Rev. Steve Ramp is pastor of Westminster Presbyterian Church, in Hattiesburg, MS. He has
served on staff on 9 of the 10 Mississippi Presbyterian Cursillos. On February 10, Westminster was devastated by a tornado that cut a 3/4
mile swathe thru Hattiesburg. Steve reports…
Tornado!
Westminster Presbyterian Church is a warm
congregation of 210 (60 of whom are Cursillistas) housed in a beautiful brick building built in
1963 serenely nestled among stately pine trees
in the center of Hattiesburg, Mississippi, 2 hours
north of New Orleans. At 3 pm Sunday, February 10, 2013, the Meistersingers performed a
beautiful Romantic chorale at the church. Less
than an hour later, the church was clobbered by
170 mph winds that punched gaping holes in the
roof, twisted massive metal beams, blew out
most of the windows, and snapped 20 tall pine
trees like pencils. Then it rained for 3 straight
days. The Fellowship Hall looked like a wading
pool. Church members, with help from hundreds of volunteers from sister Cursillo churches
in Mississippi (Pascagoula, Ocean Springs,
Gautier, Long Beach, Handsboro, Vicksburg,
Briarwood of Jackson, MS) sprang into action,
rented storage pods and a warehouse, removed
the furniture, protected their well loved 3000
pipe organ, and began worshipping at Parkway
Heights United Methodist Church. One month
later the Meistersingers performed the same
concert at Parkway Heights raising nearly
$10,000 to benefit Westminster's relief efforts.
Westminster has hired an architect, a contractor, and is working
closely with their insurance
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carrier to raise funds to rebuild and expand their
main building. Miraculously, the 80 foot bell
tower and the cross on top of the steeple withstood the wind and bear witness to God's
grace. A Presbyterian Church in Travers City,
Michigan which had been to Mississippi after
Katrina contacted Cursillista Bobby Tyson, a
Commissioned Ruling Elder at Handsboro Presbyterian in Gulfport. They wanted to help Westminster. Through Bobby Tyson, they sent 300
wrist bands which Westminster handed out on
Easter morning. The wristbands say RESTORE,
REBUILD, REJOICE! By God's grace, so be it!
If you would like to contribute to this effort:
BancorpSouth Attn Debbie Hudson,
Westminster Relief Fund,
124 Hardy Street,
Hattiesburg, MS 39401.
We've been pleasantly surprised by the grace that
has flowed our way from many different quarters. Baptists, Pentecostals, Methodists, Catholics, PCA, EPC, PCUSA, Lutherans . . . when the
ox is in the ditch, none of that matters. God's
people come together and pitch in, and the world
gets to see the Body of Christ at its best.
Here are links to some pictures showing the extent of the devastation wrought by the tornado:
http://s118.beta.photobucket.com/user/wesbrooks1/
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20Damage%202-11-2013
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-10-2013
Status
First, the good news: Miraculously, no
one was killed or badly injured!
Thanks be to God!
Worship: Our friends at Parkway
Heights United Methodist Church
have taken us in. We went to
their Ash Wednesday service
which was very moving, and
we use their sanctuary
on Wednesday evenings (at 6PM) and
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Sunday mornings at 9:30). They have a lovely
facility and our Sunday School classes meet at
11:00 am while they are in worship. We are
very happy to be their guests, and they are treating us like family. This is a great blessing!
Office Space: Kay (the Church Secretary) is
“officing” at Owens Business Machines. Getting copies made is not a problem! Tommy (the
Director of Discipleship) has an office at Parkway Heights. I am mobile (Silverado and cell
phone work for me). Hopefully we will all be
reunited eventually, but for now, this is working
fine.
Our Much-Loved Kilgen Organ: The day
after the storm we dismantled and protected the
pipes. Our organ builders (David and Susan
Finch) believe the organ will be fine after some
repairs. Miraculously, the roof over the upper
chambers kept wind and rain at bay.
Parking: Won’t be a problem now. We’ll have
plenty of room for parking because our three
outbuildings got smushed and will be removed.
Building Codes: The windows, bathrooms, and
electrical service in our building will be brought
up to code.
Now for some of the challenges we are facing:
Outbuildings: The McCaa House (college and
youth ministries), Jones House (Presbytery Office and Share/Care), and the Wright House
(Christian Women’s Job Corp) were destroyed
by wind and pine trees. They will be demolished when the asbestos in the Wright House is
abated. This is a big loss for us, but fully covered by insurance.
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our senior members and children, who don’t understand what this means. One of my seminary
professors used to remind us, “The earth is not our
home.” So true. Our citizenship is in heaven.
That’s easy to forget. This tornado brought this
home dramatically. If you can find us on Face
Book, you can see pictures of our prayer service in
the bombed out sanctuary. Very healing.
Next Steps: Assess damage. Adjust loss. Hire
architects. Rebuild. When we get our building
situation squared away, we will turn our attention
and energies toward the community. There are
hundreds of uninsured and underserved people in
Hattiesburg who will need help for the next 3 plus
years. Several of our members helped establish a
Volunteer Center in Hattiesburg which will welcome groups coming to re-roof and restore homes.
Some of these homes are located in a floodplain,
which means they can’t be torn down and rebuilt,
but they can be “repaired.” Some of them need
extensive repairs. Katrina taught us to accept help
when it’s offered.
You can also contribute online by going to our
website at www.wpchattiesburg.com and clicking
the “Online Giving” tab. Please remember us in
your prayers. We are battered but not defeated.
Your love, prayers, and support lift our spirits!
Blessings in Christ,
GLYASDW!
Steve Ramp
Rita, why do we use all these
Spanish words like Cursillo,
Ultreya, Palanca and Rollo?
Insurance: we have insurance with a good
company and a good agent. However, the devastation was horrific, and they have not yet determined the structural integrity of the building.
It is too early to know how much it will cost us
to repair and rebuild. We are hopeful.
Re-Building Fund: Before the tornado, we had
plans to expand our facilities. Our building
fund will now become a RE-building fund!
Grief and Loss: Seeing our once proud building so deeply wounded is painful, especially for
We use Spanish words, Roy, because Cursillo was founded in
Spain, where Spanish was the language in which the Cursillos were
held, believe it ir not!
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National Councils Meet
On March 22 and 23, our national councils met at
Broadmoor Presbyterian Church in Baton Rouge,
Louisiana. Our hosts, the fourth day of Louisiana
Presbyterian Pilgrimage, treated us wonderfully
well and our national moderator, Bill Cowen of
The Peaks Pilgrimage community did an admirable job of conducting the meeting of the National
Council of Presbyterian Fourth Day Movements.
Kevin Price, Moderator of the National Council of
Presbyterian Cursillo did an equally admirable
(and most expeditious) job of conducting the brief
meeting of that group.
The initial amenities were observed: lunch, singing, devotional, privilege of the floor, approval of
the agenda, self introductions, approval of the
minutes and of the treasurer’s report. After that
Bill Cowen reported on his attendance at the
national forum of fourth day groups in Nashville
in February. It would appear that many of the other expressions of the Cursillo method are experiencing similar problems to ours—limited attendance, difficulty in getting the fourth day involved,
financial issues and some theological disputes.
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creased by more than 50%. The summer ultreya
included a workday at a local non-profit. That was
so successful that they plan to do it again this
year. Their three year old Leadership Development Team has been very effective.
Chicagoland At two recent Friday evening Ultreyas, the council provided the food instead of
requiring pot luck offerings from the rest of the
fourth day. This was well received. They have
used videos during Ultreyas for table discussion.
They plan to try one of the Francis Chan videos at
their next Ultreya. (Yes, you do too know who he
is — he was on Huckabee last Saturday!) They
are working hard to encourage formation of Renewal groups, focused on the Renewal Group
cards. (See page 7 of this issue.)
The council then proceeded to hear community
reports; some of the highlights of which were;
Florida has worked hard at finding new churches
— both by individual contact and through display
tables at Presbytery meetings. Each council member is responsible to adopt two new churches
within their Presbytery. Their web site is posted as
a link on the website of each of their Presbyteries.
Contacts with pastors focus on spiritually stimulating congregations. Council members have personally phoned their entire fourth day to update
their database for 2013 and encourage more active
participation. This was well received and appreciated by the fourth day.
Arkansas held its annual Council Retreat in January during which a detailed discussion was held of
issues affecting the community. The community
attempts to help participant attendance using its
Potential Participant Prayer List consisting only of
first names of people whom members of the fourth
day would like to see participate. Prayer for this
list begins about 10 weeks in advance of each
weekend.
Georgia now holds two weekends per year. They
are concentrating on finding the best way to recruit participants. Attendance at the April, 2013
Cursillo looks encouraging. There is a need to
form more reunion/renewal groups. They will
hold four Ultreyas each year—one after each Cursillo, one summer picnic Ultreya and a Christmas
Ultreya. They are currently in the midst of a major
effort to develop a new song book.
Austin also has developed a list of prospective
participants. The list is distributed and prayed over
by weekend staff. This seems to be effective.
They have restructured their sponsorship program
to a shepherding program—stressing the extended
responsibilities of shepherd-sponsors. The shepherd is encouraged to answer all questions from
the pilgrims so that they arrive with open hearts
and minds and with less trepidation. In the last
year and a half, they have catered their Ultreyas
and charged a modest fee. They’re not sure this is
the reason, but their Ultreya attendance has in-
Houston Ultreyas average 150 to 200 attendees.
Youth Ultreyas average about 30. At the January
planning session, the Council recommitted to their
mission of “calling Christians to a deliberate and
joyous living of their faith.” Task forces were established to identify solutions to problems and to
put the solutions to work. The four areas to be
dealt with are: Low participant numbers, Fourth
Day involvement, long term leadership development, post-weekend focus. They now conduct
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three Cursillo weekends and two Celebration (high
school age) weekends a year.
Louisiana Has voted to become Pilgrimage next
year. Their very effective Worship Team has participated in 19 services at 16 churches—with good
results. They are working to set up a second team to
help meet the need. They are seeking a camp closer
to the population center of New Orleans. They currently hold one weekend per year.
Michigan-Detroit is currently reaching out to the
90 churches of their Presbytery to increase participants; with direct contact with pastors, e-mails,
booths at Presbytery meetings, and inviting friends
or family. Their Presbytery exec is supportive. The
main focus is increasing the number of participants.
Michigan-Lake Michigan Council is devoting first
half of 2013 to assessing where they have been,
where they currently are, and where they are going.
This process included a retreat in March called
Awakening the Covenant., which involved preparation of a vision statement with input of all council
members. In May they will revisit the vision and
homing in on the how to.
Mississippi conducts two weekends a year—a total
of ten weekends so far. Average pilgrim attendance is 28. There is no charge for pilgrims, at the
expense of higher staff fees. Even at this higher
rate, they have not yet failed to receive more staff
applications than they have space for at every
weekend. Staffs are now trained by nationally
trained trainers. See the separate story in this issue
about the Tornado damage of one of their principle
churches.
North Carolina continues to hold seven weekends a
year through its East (2), West (2) and Piedmont
(3) clusters. The statewide council controls major
policy, insurance and treasury. Participant attendance is maintained at near capacity by charging
staff and participants the same $160.00 fee. Team
training is on 3 Saturdays, two weeks apart. They
continue to struggle with fourth day involvement
after the weekend.
North Texas plans a major fundraising event—a
golf and Mexican Train* tournament later this year.
They have had to raise their fees. They are currently planning to contribute money to their regular
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camp to install permanent handicapped supports in
one of the room and add temporary supports to be
used by pilgrims and staff who need them. They
are also planning to purchase a storage pod to
leave at the camp to hold their ‘stuff’ - both for
Pilgrimage and for Celebration weekends. They
are planning to continue looking at issues involving the change from Cursillo to Pilgrimage—
especially sponsorship issues. *In case you don’t
know it (I didn’t) ‘Mexican Train’ is a Dominoes
game.
Oklahoma is still receiving pilgrims from Wichita,
Kansas who are determined to start a new community there. They had 37 pilgrims at their most recent weekend. A “Facebook Option” was tried to
stimulate renewal/reunion group participation—
with mixed results. The main concerns of the Oklahoma Council are energizing the fourth day,
strengthening the renewal/reunion groups and finances. They seek especially a solution to Ultreya
and closing ceremony attendance.
South Carolina had 16 pilgrims at their most recent weekend—and experienced very high attendance at the Serenade and Closing. “The Holy Spirit worked through everyone in amazing ways, including a subsequent engagement and wedding of
two participants.” Celebration—the two day retreat for high school ages—continues as a very
effective ministry. Mike Allen, who heads up the
Celebration program, received a very gratifying
phone call from a high school principal who recently recognized that a positive change in the
atmosphere at his school was a product of student
participation in Celebration. Attendance at the
January Ultreya approached 100. Future Ultreyas
will include a Father’s day picnic outing at a professional baseball game “...and a fall pig-picking
from our clergy…” (And I didn’t know what a
Mexican Train was!) Council has established a
Pay Pal account and is considering adding The
Square. Their outreach includes establishing
“Pilgrimage Ambassadors” at area churches.
Tennessee Valley has experienced a harder time
getting pilgrims for their fall weekends than for
their spring retreats. Like so many communities,
they are working to improve their renewal/reunion
group situation. One good thing they have done is
to get these groups to take on part of the fourth
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The Renewal/Reunion Card
day work, with a contact person in each group for
that purpose. They are working to scholarship pastors and their spouses (even to attend Georgia and
Alabama weekends) on the premise that pastoral
leadership is a key to help get pilgrims. They are
trying to extend their area into middle Tennessee.
(TVPC is based in northern Alabama).
In case you’re not familiar with it, below is the
text of the renewal/reunion group card many of
our communities use. It is usually reproduced on
both sides of a standard sized business card.
Groups begin by reciting the prayer together and
then each person has a chance to share on one or
more of the points on the other side f the card.
Community reports consumed most of Friday afternoon and were then followed by reports on prospective new communities, a request from the Louisiana group to become a pilgrimage community,
the just completed national training class, and the
issue of Renewal/Reunion groups.
The rest of the afternoon was spent in group discussion on the future role of the national council.
That evening was shared in an Ultreya with the
host community—who proved once again that
there is something to this ‘Southern Hospitality’
thing.
Saturday morning, the discussion continued and
then reports were given on the seminarian scholarship program, the web site, the Cursillista, and the
national music committee.
After a break, the brief meeting of the Cursillo
council was held. The Fourth Day council was then
reconvened for Old and then New business and the
secretary’s report.
A discussion was held about the possibility of including a Cursillo/Pilgrimage booth in the exhibit
hall of the 221st PCUSA General Assembly in Detroit, June 14-21, 2014. It was decided to do so.
After lunch, Rick Goldmeyer, council moderator of
our South Carolina community, led us through a
well conducted examination of what our vision
should be for the future.
Consensus was obtained, and task groups were
appointed, to deal with the three leading issues:

Training

Communication

Fourth Day Involvement
Reports from each of these task groups will be due
at the next meeting of our national councils, August 23 and 24.
Tom
 Presbyterian Cursillo and Pilgrimage 
Fourth Day Renewal Prayer
Come, Christ Our Lord,
Fill us with Your Holy Spirit
That we may feel Your Presence
And serve as vessels of Your Grace
Throughout our days.
In Your Holy Name we pray. Amen
Fourth Day Renewal
 Share your work briefly from a spiritual perspective.
 Share the moment when you felt closest to Christ.
 Share your study for the week.
 Review your chances to share Christ with others.
 Share your one line thanksgiving
 Close with prayer.
He said he knew
you’d be delighted to
have your ceiling
painted for
Mother’s Day
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The PreCursillo
In the traditional Roman Catholic Cursillo, the
emphasis of the PreCursillo stage was on

Selection of Environments needing Evangelization.

Searching out and selecting prospective participants from among those who are influential within the selected Environments identified as needing Evangelization.

Preparation of participants to attend the weekend and then to work to Evangelize the Environment in the PostCursillo fourth day.

Preparation of the Cursillo weekend retreat.
Our Presbyterian PreCursillo has never adopted
the practice of selecting target Environments to be
Evangelized and then recruiting participants accordingly. We thus leave a void in the preparation
of pilgrims.
Perhaps we can fill that void by more active
measures to prepare pilgrims to work to Evangelize their Environments — or, as I prefer to say it,
to reform their communities — whatever they are.
How might this be done? Perhaps by helping the
pilgrim to focus even before attending our retreat
on what needs to be done to help reform their
communities.
This is obviously not a simple undertaking. Perhaps it can best be done a bit at a time. Your community council might ask three or four sponsors to
get with their participants, perhaps for lunch or
dinner, and bring the discussion around to the participants’ situations at work, or at home or at
church or in what ever other community
(environment) the participant might be involved.
Without being too overt, the sponsor might call
attention to measures that the participant could
undertake in the fourth day.
If, for instance, the participant is concerned about
the lack of morality or ethics in the work place,
perhaps the sponsor could suggest the start of a
Bible study group in or associated with the workplace. Tom Sarg, a tool and die maker working
for Snap On Tools in Evansville, Indiana returned
from his Cursillo weekend and did just that—
started a Bible Study in the factory. Management
wasn’t too keen on the idea until they realized that
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people who attended the Bible study had higher
production and better work attendance than those
who didn’t. Whatever happened to Tom Sarg?
He went on to become the Executive Director of
the National Cursillo Secretariat—the Catholic
agency responsible for Cursillo in the US.
Perhaps your participant might feel the need for a
class at church on the basics of our Presbyterian
doctrines and traditions. Maybe he or she could
volunteer to lead it, or recruit someone who could.
Maybe something needs to be done in support of
the students and staff of an elementary school in
an impoverished neighborhood; or maybe a
handyman ministry needs to be established to help
retired folks, or…
The needs, and thus the possibilities, are endless.
Yes, this ministry of reforming the community is
a part of the PostCursillo phase, but the roots of it
can best be planted in the PreCursillo.
The reunion/renewal group is also a part of the
PostCursillo, but it, too, can best be started in the
PreCursillo. Just think, a sponsor plus a participant and a sponsor plus a participant equals a reunion/renewal group. Start it before the Cursillo
weekend and carry it on through the PostCursillo.
This benefits not just the participants, but also
very much benefits the sponsors.
Contact during the PreCursillo, during the time
before the accepted participant attends the weekend, should be maintained by the sponsor. The
sponsor should become a very important person in
the life of the participant and a very good friend.
Aside from that, the sponsor should work to make
the participant’s experience at the Cursillo retreat
as meaningful as possible, soliciting palanca, arranging to cover any problems the participant experiences, making sure that any needs of the participant—dietary or otherwise—are met on the
weekend. This certainly can include transporting
the participant to and from the weekend site.
The sponsor should also be ready to take on a fair
share of the work in getting the weekend retreat
set up and launched.
God’s ministry in the pre-Cursillo is not well
served by a fourth day that ignores the participants
right up until the time they arrive at the camp
where the weekend is to be held.
Tom
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April, 2013 Volume 16, Number 2
Becky Beem of Chicago, our national treasurer,
submitted this message at my request.
National Dues
The National Council supports the 4th day members and leadership of regional Presbyterian Cursillo and Pilgrimage communities.
The purpose of the National Council is, through
the grace of God, to: (1) develop, offer and support a model Presbyterian Cursillo-like weekend
and experience; (2) assist Local Councils and Other Leadership Teams in implementing their weekends and developing their communities; (3) assist
Local Councils and Other Leadership Teams in
starting new communities as opportunities present
themselves and as the Holy Spirit leads; (4) certify
new member Fourth Day Movement communities
and re-certify existing Fourth Day Movement
member communities on a periodic basis, and (5)
continually emphasize that the overriding purpose
of Cursillo is the evangelization of our environments by spiritual renewal of individuals who are
the Fourth Day.
The members of the National Council include
representatives from each participating 4th Day
community. Council members commit themselves
to; (1) pray, study and work for the extension of
Christ's Lordship in our environments; (2) to communicate with and support one another; and (3) by
means of the Cursillo Method to awaken our fellow Presbyterians to the joys of apostolic witness
and service in fulfillment of their baptismal vows.
The Council gathers twice a year for meetings
hosted by one of our 4th Day communities. The
most recent meeting was hosted by Louisiana
Presbyterian Cursillo in Baton Rouge at Broadmoor Presbyterian Church. These meetings provide an opportunity for representatives from
around the country to meet and share ideas and
concerns and solicit help from other communities.
Since the inception of the National Council, the
member Presbyterian Cursillo and Pilgrimage
communities have unanimously agreed to a dues
structure to support the ongoing work of the National Council. This work supports our many Presbyterian 4th Day communities in numerous ways,
including the national website and domains
(www.cursillo.us and www.days3.com), national
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news e-publication (Cursillista), leadership training
(for regional leadership and weekend teams) and
scholarships for seminarians to attend weekends.
Dues are based on a one time payment for each participant who attended a weekend during the year.
For newer communities, there are no dues for the
first three weekends. Thereafter the dues increae
gradually—$1.00 for each participant at the 4th
weekend, $2.00 for participants at the 5th weekend,
and $3.00 per participant for the 6th weekend and
following weekends,
Checks for dues should be made out to: National
Council Presbyterian 4th Day Movements.
Please mail dues checks to:
Becky Beem, Treasurer
National Council Presbyterian 4th Day
530 N. Lake Shore Dr. #804
Chicago, IL 60611
If you have questions regarding the dues or the status of payments by your community, please let
Becky know.
Email: [email protected] Phone: 847-997-7554
He said to bring you your
Mother’s day gift, and apologize
for the fact that he won’t be able
to make it for dinner.
The National Presbyterian
April, 2013 Volume 16, Number 2
Sue Ann Clark, Council Chair of the LakeMichigan branch of Michigan Presbyterian Pilgrimage, sent in the following, which she used at
their recent council meeting.
Love Feast
Sent out ahead: You likely noted on the agenda
the Agape Meal/Love Feast. I send you the following that you may better prepare for what we
will share on Saturday.
Love Feast . When the New Testament Church
met, they shared fellowship, worship and food.
They enjoyed a Common Meal together, which
eventually was transformed into what the
Church has come to call the Eucharist, or the
Lord’s Supper, or Holy Communion.
We are going to go back to those earliest times,
to share in another part of the Common Meal,
which we call the Love Feast or Agapé. At a
Love Feast we share food and fellowship, and
get to hear what God is doing in people’s lives
today. You can actively participate if you want
to bring a prayer, a reading, a testimony or a
song. Alternatively, you can enjoy listening.
God loves you, my brothers and sisters, and so
do I.
Love Feast - Agape Meal—January 12, 2013
MPP Leadership Council Meeting
Reader One: Jesus said “People will come from
east and west and north and south, and
will take their places at the feast in the
kingdom of God.”
Reader Two: The first shall be last and the last
shall be first, but we are invited.
Prayers of Adoration and Confession:
Reader One: Heavenly Father as we share in this
feast we praise You for your provision for us.
Reader Two: You have been generous to us.
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Silence:
Reader Two: Jesus says to us, as He said to a
woman who washed His feet with her tears: “Your
sins are forgiven”.
All:
Thanks be to God. Amen.
Sharing the Love Feast:
Reader One: Brothers and sisters, we read in the
Gospels of the meals Jesus shared with His disciples. We recall His eating at the lakeside after He
had risen from the dead. We remember how the
apostles broke bread together and the Lord added
daily to their number.
Reader Two: Today we share food once again as
a church, knowing that the Holy Spirit is here. We
meet in the name of Jesus Christ to bring praise to
Him.
Reader One: Let us pray: Help us to love one another Lord, as You have loved us. Amen.
Reader Two: We remain seated as we sing our
grace:
Blessing: The Lord is good to me, And so I thank
the Lord For giving me the food I eat, the friends I
meet and MPP. The Lord is good to me. (Sung to
the tune of the Disney “Johnnie Appleseed” song.)
Reader One: Heavenly Father we bring the offering of our Love Feast and of our lives.
Reader Two: Accept us all in the name of Jesus
Christ our Lord. Amen.
Sharing Time: As we share in food may we share
our experiences, music, testimonies or readings –
ways God is working in our lives.
Closing Prayers:
Reader One: God of the past, God of the present,
God of the future, we thank You for all that has
been, all that is, and all that shall be.
Reader Two: You have heard our cry
Reader Two: Bless us as we go our separate
ways, that every meal we eat may be a sharing of
Your love.
Reader One: Forgive us in Your mercy and set
us free to be people who share.
Reader One: In the name of the Father, and of the
Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.
Reader One: You have provided food for all.
The National Presbyterian
April, 2013 Volume 16, Number 2
Insurance?!
Insurance? What has insurance got to do with
Cursillo and Pilgrimage? Plenty, actually.
More than fifteen years ago, as a palanca cha driving a vanload of pilgrims to their housing half a
mile down the mountain from the lodge where our
talk room was located, I followed another palanca
cha driven van that very nearly drove off the side
of the mountain.
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stolen. One way to get a good idea of how much
property—banners, sound system, etc, etc—you
have is to have to come up with the money to replace it. The trailer itself was almost new and had
cost $2,100.
More than just property loss and damage coverage, the big item is liability coverage. This can
take several forms, among which are:

I have heard of a situation in which a distraught
pilgrim said some very slanderous things about a
staffer.
Personal Injury Liability (including libel and
slander)

Directors, Officers and Trustees coverage

Sexual Misconduct Liability
I know of a situation in which a male staffer ‘hit
on’ an attractive young female pilgrim.

Food Preparation Liability
Inaccurate accounting or record keeping could put
a community in a world of hurt with the IRS, or
with a local or state government, or with the camp
where the weekend is held—honest error or downright fraud not withstanding.
Virtually any decision made by the community
council could lead to legal action.
Anyone can sue anyone at any time—they may
very well not collect, but the cost of defending
against even false charges can be very expensive.
As a hotel manager I saw that several times.
The fact is that our communities need to be covered by insurance. Insurance can be expensive,
until you need it, then it will likely turn out to be
dirt cheap compared to not being insured.
Somebody could sue you for almost anything that
could possibly go wrong. Remember, the suit
doesn’t have to be righteous, it only has to be filed
to cost you a bunch of money to defend against it.
Okay, where do we get insurance? There are a
number of firms that deal specifically in insuring
religious organizations. Premiums are often based
on participation. One firm charges as much to
insure one person attending an Ultreya as to insure
a pilgrim attending the whole weekend.
Some of the firms are:
Church Mutual Insurance Company
(800) 554-5642 www.churchmutual.com
Southern Mutual Church Insurance Company
(800) 922-5332 www.smcins.com
A judgment against an uninsured religious organization can turn out to be very expensive for the
individual members, not just the leaders. Not only
that, it can kill the religious program.
Brotherhood Mutual Insurance Company
(800) 333-3735 www.brotherhoodmutual.com
Yes, the camp or conference center carries insurance—but that’s almost certain to cover only the
camp or conference center itself—providing no
coverage for the organization that uses the facility.
Church Life Insurance Corporation*
(212) 592-1800 www.cpq.org
You may believe that your Presbytery or sponsoring church carries insurance that covers you—
guess again, it probably does not.
The last two do share the same contact info.
What kind of insurance should you buy? You may
not need much property insurance—tho’ we had
none in Georgia when the van—”the ark” that had
all our ‘stuff’ - our weekend materials—in it was
Church Insurance Company
(212) 592-1800 www.cpq.org
*Also sells liability coverage.
Before accepting an insurance company’s offer,
check them out with A. M. Best Company at
www.ambest.com. Information is free and only
requires that you provide information about your
activity. For what it’s worth, the A. M. Best ratings vary widely among the five firms listed
above.
Tom
The National Presbyterian
April, 2013 Volume 16, Number 2
Question: How many Presbyterians does it take
to change a light bulb?
Answer: (Outraged) CHANGE?! My grandfather
gave this church that light bulb!
CHANGE?!
I recently received a very gracious request for
electronic versions of some manuals we sent to
another community. The community wanted to
update its manuals. That caused little tremors in
my toes and at follicle ends – I resist change, at
least in the context of Cursillo. It turns out that
the intention was to get rid of some references to
our own community and the camp we use – not to
make changes to the Cursillo method.
Not too long ago, I had reviewed our Moderator’s
Manual. It wasn’t to “update” it, it was to correct
the copy that had been handed from moderator to
moderator with instructions not to write in it. Sections had been removed, copied and replaced –
often with missing or added pages.
Whole sections were missing and inappropriate
sections were added – for instance, it contained a
section of recipes for use by the table chas.
All I did was to straighten out the manual, return
it to its original condition and then convince our
local council to give each moderator a permanent
personal copy. My wife’s work reviewing the spiritual advisor’s manual was essentially the same,
except that she added a set of instructions for the
Chapel Cha.
That said, a note of caution: “Updating” a Cursillo
manual is a bit like “updating” the Bible. The Bible is the Bible as God gave it to us.
The Cursillo manual, which - unlike the Bible - is
not writ in stone, is still in fact based on a pretty
solid foundation. The method is still essentially
the same as that worked out by the young men and
clergy of Majorca in the 1940’s. The theology is
that which was translated from the Roman Catholic theology to reformed theology by Dr. Fred
Keith as part of his doctoral project at Columbia
Seminary in 1989.
The fact that his doctoral work was approved by
his faculty committee guides us to be extremely
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cautious about changes. The result of his work is
our Manual of Presbyterian Cursillo.
Since my wife received her doctorate from the
same institution a few years later, I have some
understanding of the rigorous examination Dr.
Keith’s supervisory committee applied to his
work.
The entire method of the weekend retreat is very
complex – with the different parts – talks, discussions, worship services and other activities – all
designed to produce a specific set of responses.
This is a process understood by very few people –
I certainly don’t claim to understand it fully.
“Updating” by folks who don’t understand this
process is most unlikely to improve things, and is
far more likely to cause problems, including the
possibility of running afoul of our license from the
Roman Catholics to use the terms and conditions
of Cursillo.
Case in point: Our license requires that we conduct the full length (72 hours) retreat. Recently a
community considered shortening a weekend (so
that participants could make it home in time to
greet Trick-Or-Treaters). Fortunately they didn’t,
because that would have been in violation of the
license.
When considering making changes, we often
don’t consider everything we need to: Will the
new activity be as effective at realizing the purpose of the weekend as the activity it replaces—
since we don’t fully understand the process, how
can we tell—even after the fact?
If we want to add something, what do we discontinue? The clock isn’t elastic, so if we add a 30
minute activity, what 30 minute activity do we
remove?
One good thing I’ve discovered over the years is
that those folks who want to change something in
Cursillo or Pilgrimage don’t care about changes
that others want to make—they care only about
their own proposed changes.
I suggest caution whenever anyone “reviews” or
“updates” one of your manuals. Any changes
need to be approved by your council.
Tom
The National Presbyterian
April, 2013 Volume 16, Number 2
Book Review
Strobel, Lee Finding The Real Jesus, Grand
Rapids, Zondervan, 2008.
Responding to questionable and downright false
teaching by those seeking to denigrate the ministry of our Lord Jesus, Strobel examines the faulty
claims and evidence they offer.
Many authors and so-called scholars have gained
a foothold, or at least a fingertip hold, on the credibility of doubters and seekers who have not yet
embraced our Lord and Savior.
In this short, readable book (101 pages of text)
Strobel examines the evidence for and against
- The Gnostic Jesus
- The Misquoted Jesus
- The Failed Jesus
- The Uncrucified Jesus
- The Deceased Jesus.
He finds that the ’evidence’ presented by the
doubters and naysayers is very weak—especially
when compared with the evidence for the Jesus as
we’ve been taught to know him.
The book is very comforting—especially for those
of us who have the occasional doubt—and it’s
very useful to have available to you when confronted by a doubter.
My wife and I each downloaded it to our Kindles
from Amazon for $1.99.
Strobel, then an atheist journalist and attorney,
legal editor for the Chicago Tribune, set out many
years ago to prove that Jesus was not what we
Christians claim him to be. An investigative reporter, Strobel dug so deeply into his subject that
he became a convinced Christian and ended up as
a minister—a teaching pastor at Willow Creek
Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois
and later at Saddleback Valley Community
Church in Lake Forest, California.
Today he is a writer and is much in demand as a
speaker.
In producing this useful book, Strobel interviewed
several very knowledgeable Bible scholars. The
results of these interviews fully support the Chris-
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tian view of Jesus as the Messiah.
Strobel’s investigation into “The Gnostic Jesus”
leads him to discount the teachings of the “Gospel
of Thomas” and various other Gnostic writings
with their heresy of salvation by special, esoteric
knowledge.
He shows convincingly that “The Misquoted Jesus” was not in fact misquoted; that the supposed
400,000 “variants” in the Bible (differences between the printed copy and the many thousands of
handwritten manuscripts) were mostly minor copying errors, spelling errors and differences in understanding of the different languages used. Many
were merely misspellings of names. He showed
that in fact, none of these supposed variants raised
objections to significant doctrines and teachings of
the Bible.
Another false claim is that “The Failed Jesus” did
not fulfill the prophecies that foretold the coming
of the Messiah. The idea is, that if Jesus did not
fulfill the prophecies, then he cannot possibly be
the Messiah. Strobel successfully refutes this,
showing that Jesus did, in fact, fulfill the prophecies.
Strobel’s response to those who claim that Jesus
was “The Uncrucified Jesus” refutes the claim
that Pilate substituted a double for Jesus or that he
somehow was brought back to health with doses
of common herbs—such as myrrh. Strobel cites
the proofs of the terrible crucifixion.
Lastly, the doubters claim that “The Deceased
Jesus” simply died and was never actually resurrected— was never actually raised from the dead;
that Jesus’ followers somehow spirited his
[uncrucified?] body away from his well guarded
tomb. Strobel deals with this heresy quite capably.
Strobel effectively presents the case that the Bible
correctly portrays the events of Christ’s ministry,
despite the best efforts of those who would seek to
downplay Christianity.
For more information about Lee Strobel and his
work, go to www.leestrobel.com
As an aside, our Monday reunion/trenewal group
recently read thru another of Strobel’s books,
God’s Outrageous Claims and benefited greatly
from it. Tom
The National Presbyterian
April, 2013 Volume 16, Number 2
Cursillista On Line
The April, 2011 thru February, 2013 issues of the
Cursillista are now on line in our web site.
They are in .PDF file format and thus downloadable.
Their contents may be used in local Cursillo and
Pilgrimage community newsletters with attribution.
Be sure to key in the entire address
www.cursillo.us/4thday.htm or
www.days3.com/4thday.htm
Leaving out the www will put you in a situation
in which only one issue will be available. Tom
The Next Issue
The deadline for the next issue of the Cursillista is
May 31, 2013. Please make sure I have complete
calendar and contact information for all your 2013
scheduled weekends.
As always, I will appreciate having articles telling
about what’s going on in your community that
may be of interest to others. It would be especially
useful to have information about what you’ve
found to work in helping you to recruit pilgrims.
I would particularly like to have your memories of
those special moments God gifts us with on our
weekend retreats.
Tom
...so I’ll bet the big surprise
is that we’re all here at Cursillo
to celebrate the opening day
of baseball season!
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Web Sites
About Presbyterian Cursillo and Pilgrimage in
General
www.days3.com - for prospective pilgrims
www.days3.com/4thday.htm - for the fourth day
www.cursillo.com - of general interest
Web sites of specific communities:
Alabama www.alpresbyteriancursillo.com
Arkansas www.pilgrimage-arkansas.org
Austin www.austinpresbyterianpilgrimage.org
Chicagoland www.chpilgrimage.org
Colorado www.coloradopilgrimage.org
Eastern Oklahoma
www.geocities.com/eopcursillo
*** Eastern Virginia www.days3.com/EV.htm
Florida www.floridacursillo.org
Georgia
www.georgiapresbyteriancursillo.com
Great Plains Omaha) www.gpppilgrimage.org
Houston www.houstonpilgrimage.org
Indiana www.ipcursillo.org
James Virginia www.PJPilgrimage.org
Louisiana
www.louisianapresbyteriancursillo.org
Michigan www.mppilgrimage.org
Mississippi www.mspresbyteriancursillo.com
North Carolina www.ncpilgrimage.org
North Texas Adult: www.ntpp.org
Youth: www.northtexascelebration.com
Oklahoma www.days3.com/OK.htm
Palo Duro www.paloduropresbytery.org
Peaks Virginia - www.peakspresbytery.org/
pilgrimage.html
Shenandoah Virginia - www.math.jmu.edu/
~sanders/SPP.html
South Carolina
www.scpresbyterianpilgrimage.org
Tennessee Valley www.tvpcursillo.com
*** The community does not yet have it's own
separate web site. This will take you to the
community web page in our national web site.
About Book Reviews
The Cursillista was never intended as a book review journal, but when I encounter a book that
might be of interest to our fourth day, I may just
go ahead and review it—as I’ve done in this issue
and in the February issue.
Tom
The National Presbyterian
April, 2013 Volume 16, Number 2
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Weekends Currently Scheduled
Adult Weekends College Age Weekends High School Age Weekends
Dates
Weekend
Lay Leader
Apr 11 to 14, 2013
Arkansas Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 18
Jen Payne
Apr 11 to 14, 2013
North Carolina Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 119
Melissa Sealey
Apr 12 to 14, 2013
South Carolina Presbyterian Celebration # 37
Palmer Reagan
Apr 18 to 21, 2013
Peaks Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 50!
TBA
Apr 18 to 21, 2013
Nebraska/Iowa Great Plains Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 13
Dave Bennett
Apr 18 to 21, 2013
Georgia Presbyterian Cursillo # 42
Sandy Vickers
Apr 18 to 21, 2013
Palo Duro Presbyterian Cursillo # 27
Phyllis Baum
Apr 18 to 21, 2013
Central Virginia Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 2
TBA
(Shenandoah & James Combined Weekend)
Apr 18 to 21, 2013
Eastern Virginia Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 17
TBA
Apr 18 to 21, 2013
Tennessee Vally Presbyterian Cursillo # 19
Kemie Brown-Vansant
Apr 18 to 21, 2013
Chicagoland Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 23
Roger Smith
Apr 18 to 21, 2013
Houston Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 70
Art Tanamack
Apr 18 to 21, 2013
Chicagoland Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 23
Roger Smith
Apr 25 to 28, 2013
Michigan Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 25-Lake Michigan
Amy Henson-Bohlen
Apr 25 to 28, 2013
Eastern Oklahoma Presbyterian Cursillo # 21
Darrell Moses
May 2 to 5, 2013
Mississippi Presbyterian Cursillo # 11
Lea Ann McElroy
May 2 to 5, 2013
South Carolina Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 64
Kim Dunham
May 16 to 19, 2013
North Carolina Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 120
Susan Miller
Jun 27 to 30, 2013
Louisiana Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 9
Sandy Broussard
Jul 12 to 14, 2013
Houston Area Celebration # 15
Josh Asch
Aug 31 to Sep 2, 2012
Austin Presbyterian Celebration # 15
TBA
Sep 19 to 22, 2013
Austin Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 36
Teresa Ward
Sep 19 to 22, 2013
Alabama Presbyterian Cursillo # 31
Barbara Sawyer
Sep 26 to 29, 2013
Mississippi Presbyterian Cursillo # 12
John Willett
Sep 26 to 29, 2013
South Carolina Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 65
Sheila Seward
Sep
2013
North Carolina Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 121
Todd Gaddy
Oct 3 to 6, 2013
Oklahoma Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 50!
Linda Champlin
Oct 10 to 13, 2013
North Carolina Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 122
TBA
Oct 10 to 13, 2013
Michigan Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 26-Detroit
Jane Ethier
Oct 10 to 13, 2013
Arkansas Presbyterian Pilgrimage @ 19
Tommy Watts
Oct 17 to 20, 2013
Tennessee Valley Presbyterian Cursillo # 20
Mary Snyder
Oct 24 to 27, 2013
Nebraska/Iowa Great Plains Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 14
TBA
Oct 24 to 27, 2013
Michigan Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 27-Lake Michigan
Julie Trasky
Oct 24 to 27, 2013
Houston Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 71
Peggy Hill
Oct 25 to 27, 2013
South Carolina Presbyterian Celebration # 38
TBA
Oct 31 to Nov 3, 2013
Florida Presbyterian Cursillo # 8
Winifred Rutherford
Oct 31 to Nov 3, 2013
Georgia Presbyterian Cursillo # 43
Dave Elkins
Nov 7 to 10, 2013
North Texas Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 35
Nikki Thompson
Nov 21 to 24, 2013
North Carolina Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 123
Debbie Brown
Jan 18 to 20, 2014
Houston Area Celebration # 16
TBA
Feb 27 to Mar 2, 2014
North Texas Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 36
Dwight Nichols
Feb 27 to Mar 2, 2014
Austin Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 37
TBA
Mar 20 to 23, 2014
Michigan Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 28—Detroit
Tom Davies
Mar 27 to 30, 2014
Nebraska/Iowa Great Plains Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 15
Lynda Shafer
Apr 3 to 6, 2014
Alabama Presbyterian Cursillo # 32
David Matheny
May 1 to 4, 2014
Mississippi Presbyterian Cursillo # 13
Pam Love
Jun 19 to 22, 2014
Louisiana Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 10
Amanda Thorne
Sep 18 to 21, 2014
Alabama Presbyterian Cursillo # 33
TBA
Sep 25 to 28, 2014
Mississippi Presbyterian Cursillo # 14
Lee Kvidahl
Oct 2 to 5, 2014
Nebraska/Iowa Great Plains Presbyterian Pilgrimage # 16
TBA
Apr 30 to May 3, 2015
Mississippi Presbyterian Cursillo # 15
TBA
Sep 24 to 27, 2015
Mississippi Presbyterian Cursillo # 16
TBA
The names of the lay leaders are listed so that you can pray for them, their teams and their pilgrims.
The National Presbyterian
April, 2013 Volume 16, Number 2
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Contacts
Alabama Sissy Crowe [email protected] Terry Skinner [email protected]
Arkansas Sandra Phillips [email protected] (870) 688-9189
Debbie Cordell [email protected] (501) 209-1841
Austin Texas Adult Weekends: Tom Wilson [email protected]
Youth Weekends: Teresa Ward [email protected]
Chicagoland Joanne Storm [email protected] (847) 679-0318
Colorado Kathy Upton [email protected]
Eastern Oklahoma Janie Blake [email protected] (918) 367-9714 Co Edwards [email protected]
Eastern Virginia Esther Sundelin [email protected] (757) 898-3523
Florida Rose Marie Stadelman [email protected]
Georgia Debi Elkins [email protected] (770) 458-6415
Houston Adult: Kathleen Vivian [email protected] (713) 661-8488
Youth: Trish McElroy [email protected] (281) 277-1706 Rene Murphy [email protected]
Indiana Holly Stoiche on the website - www.ipcursillo.org Jay Farlow [email protected]
Doug Anderson [email protected]
James Virginia - Claudia Dickerson [email protected] (804) 550-0841
Mitch Rowland [email protected]
Louisiana Joyce Sasser [email protected] Sandy Broussard [email protected]
Michigan-Detroit Cyndi Geis-LaFata [email protected] (586) 457-6921
Michigan-Lake Michigan Sue Ann Clark [email protected]
Mississippi Lea Ann McElroy mspresbyteriancursillo.com
Nebraska/Iowa- Great Plains Jan Nordlund [email protected] (402) 289-4810
Shelly Story [email protected] (402) 586-2634
North Carolina Adult: Jim Mason [email protected] (336) 491-9970
Arise Youth: Nancy Alderson [email protected] (910) 515-4170 (cell)
Mary Ann & Bill Kopp [email protected] Chip Todd [email protected]
North Texas Adult: Karen Harris [email protected] (903) 235-6763,
Youth: Nikki Thompson [email protected] (817) 261-2477
Oklahoma Adult: Amy Mason [email protected]
Bob Bentley [email protected]
Palo Duro Texas - Shannon Brooks [email protected] (806) 872-6333
Chuck Nester [email protected] (806) 655-1971
Peaks Virginia - Bill Cowen [email protected] P O Box1024, Buchanan,VA 24066
Susan Caldwell [email protected]
Shenandoah - Virginia - Jeanette McCloud [email protected] Linda Mohler [email protected]
South Carolina Adult: J C Simmons [email protected] (843) 871-3944
Youth & Cross Training: Mike Allen [email protected] (843) 200-1899
Tennessee Valley Mary Snyder [email protected] (256) 558-5956
Don Payne [email protected] (256) 729-6934