EF-UK Issue 82 - British Electric Flight Association - ef
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EF-UK Issue 82 - British Electric Flight Association - ef
ELECTRIC FLIGHT U.K. ISSUE No. 82 AUTUMN 2005 THE MAGAZINE OF THE BRITISH ELECTRIC FLIGHT ASSOCIATION THE HOME OF .... …FREE… Discussion forums… Areas for all types of glider, electric, fuel planes plus car and boat modelers Galleries of hobby photos from modelers all over the world E-Flight mailing list – thousands of members world wide! Classified ads Three Separate In-depth Webzines… Ezonemag.com, rcpowermag.com, liftzone.com Regular columns and HOT NEW PRODUCT reviews in all areas of RC YEARS of articles archived www.rcgroups.com Electric Flight - U.K. Issue 82 - Autumn 2005 "To Encourage and Further all Aspects of Electric Model Flight in the British Isles and Elsewhere" - B.E.F.A. Constitution CONTENTS BEFA Committee 2005/6 ........................... 4 Chairman's Chatter .................................. 5 Current Lines ........................................... 6 Letter to the Editor .................................... 7 New-2-U ................................................... 9 Readers’ Models ....................................... 19 Let it Out! ................................................ 22 Fillip for a Filip ........................................ 25 Chester Electric Fly-In 2005 ..................... 33 A-10 Warthog .......................................... 36 3rd Annual PANDAS Fly-In .................... 39 Some LiPo Experiments ........................... 45 TLC from your TLO ................................. 50 Event Calendar ....................................... 60 For Sale / Wanted .................................... 63 New to Electric Flight? Start Here ............ 65 BEFA Sales ............................................. 66 Advertisers Index ..................................... 66 Cover Photo: The cover photo is the outstanding Bell 47G helicopter of Ross Mortimer taken at Middle Wallop on 3rd July 2005. The photograph was taken with the model coming in to land after an extremely scale flight. It is built from the Century Helicopters kit and uses a Hacker C50-16XL motor, Jeti Advance 75 Opto plus speed controller, and normally 2 x 3S4P (8000mAh) LiPo packs for 35 min flight time. Ross has made a lot of effort in finishing the model with cockpit detailing, pilot and weathering of the painted surfaces.. NEXT ISSUE. The copy date for the Winter 2005 issue is 15 November 2005, with the magazine due for publication by 23 December 2005. DISCLAIMER B.E.F.A. and Electric Flight U.K. wish to point out that the content, techniques and opinions expressed in this magazine are those of the individual authors and do not necessarily represent the views of either the Editor of this magazine or B.E.F.A. and its committee. © All information in this magazine is copyright of the authors. Any request to use information from this magazine is to be made to the editor (contact details overleaf). All reasonable care is taken in the preparation and compilation of the magazine, but B.E.F.A. and its committee cannot be held liable for any error or omission in the content of this magazine or any subsequent damage or loss arising howsoever caused. To allow proper appreciation of the photographs used, colour copies of them will be posted on the B.E.F.A. website after publication of this magazine. If you can, check them out at www.befa.org.uk E.F.-U.K. 3 BEFA Committee 2005/6 Chairman Robert Mahoney 123 Lane End Road, High Wycombe, Bucks. HP12 4HF EMail: [email protected] Secretary Peter Turner 37 Church Street, Horsley, Derbyshire. DE21 5BQ Tel: 01332 881 265, Email: [email protected] Membership Secretary Bob Smith 1 Lynwood Avenue, Tollesby, Middlesborough, Cleveland. TS5 7PD Email: [email protected] Treasurer Bob Smith, details as Membership Secretary EF-UK Editor Jan Bassett 111 Plantagenet Chase, Yeovil, Somerset. BA20 2PR Tel. 01935 472743, E-mail: [email protected] Events Co-ordinator Terry Stuckey 31 Dysart Avenue, Kingston-upon-Thames, Surrey. KT2 5QZ Email: [email protected] Competition Secretary Bob West 51 Haweswater, Huntingdon, Cambs., PE29 6TW Tel. 07970 238 704, Email: [email protected] Midlands Representative Roger Winsor 14 Butler Gardens, Market Harborough, Leics. LE16 9LY Email: [email protected] Northern Representative Bob Smith, details as Membership Secretary Southern Representative Dave Chinery 251 Station Road, Hayes, Middx. UB3 4JD Email: [email protected] South West Representative Jan Bassett, details as Editor EF-UK Indoor & Free-Flight Rep. Gordon Tarling 87 Cowley Mill Road, Uxbridge, Middx. UB8 2QD Email: [email protected] Technical Liaison Officer Alan Bedingham 17 Highcliffe Close, Wickford, Essex. SS11 8JZ Email: [email protected] Public Relations Officer John Thompson 19 Park Avenue, Liversedge, West Yorks, WF15 7EQ Tel. 01924 515 595, Email: [email protected] Webmaster Jan Bassett, details as Editor EF-UK - (www.befa.org.uk) Safety Adviser David Beacor 34 Chestnut Close, Brampton, Huntingdon, Cambs., PE28 4TP. Please enclose an SAE with all correspondence to the committee. 4 E.F.-U.K. Chairman’s Chatter Dear members, Welcome to the autumn issue of your Electric Flight U.K. Magazine. Time does fly when you are having fun. I would like to give you the membership some time to think if you could help with the working of your Association! At the 2006 AGM we will need new people for the position of Editor and Secretary. As the present incumbent's have given indications that they would like to stand down. Please talk to me if you can help the Association in any way. It's sad to report that some monthly magazines get the dates and places incorrect for BEFA events in their Diary dates pages. If you have use of the internet please use the BEFA pages or phone the organizer of the event to confirm date and place. I took the photograph below at the recent Aspach event. The model is the awesome Horten IIIe of Franz Schmid. Looking at the photo you wouldn’t believe it has a 10.5m (34 ft. 5 in.) wingspan and weighs 19.4kg (42.8 lb.). There will be more from Aspach in the next issue. That's all for now so KEEP THE WATTS UP! Robert Mahoney E.F.-U.K. 5 Current Lines from the Editor Erratum Due to a mistake at the printers, Fig 1 was printed twice on page 61 of issue 81, Summer 2005. The lower image should have been Fig 2, included below. Content A big thank you to all the contributors to this issue. You may notice that this issue is thinner than normal, due to the lack of items submitted. Not only does it mean less pages, but much more work for me in seek items. If this magazine is to survive more contributors are desperately required. Have a quick think whether you can send me any of the following: • • • • General or Technical Articles including Hints & Tips. Product Reviews, New products & items of interest. Electric Flight Event write-ups. Photographs of your models. Please send Digital photo files or photographic (6” x 4” or bigger) prints to the editor. If you supply a return address, photographic prints supplied will be returned, unless specified otherwise. Digital photos should be sent at the highest resolution possible, in colour, and uncompressed or low compression format. Please do not send inkjet prints as too much quality is lost in the multiple conversions - please send the photographs by email or CD. Please send as many details of models as possible, preferably at least span, power train, battery & flight performance. Notice I am standing down from the position of Editor at the next AGM in March 2006. At that point I will have produced 20 issues of EF-UK during my 5 years as Editor. The BEFA will a volunteer to take over as Editor - could it be you? Regards Jan Bassett 6 E.F.-U.K. Letters to the Editor Firstly a letter on VarioPROP propellers from Malcolm Mackendrick Following the article on Variable pitch propellers by Don Stanley in the last magazine. I have a bit of experience of 3-bladed VarioPROPs- I own 5. The first was used to find out the best pitch & diameter for an AXi 2808/20 motor which needed a smaller diameter propeller for an SRX 250 model. Having found out the best size I bought 4 fixed pitch propellers that size (8” x 6”). With my own made hubs and made 2 very successful 3-bladed propellers - one rigid & one folder (used in pushing mode on a flying wing). I now have a Blenheim bomber using two 3-bladed propellers (8.2” diameter) running in left & right handed. I also have an untested 2m span, own design, bomber which also uses left & right handed 10.5” diameter 3-blade VarioPROPs. Setting up is easy as you just put one propeller on a motor & adjust the pitch to draw the desired amperage. Then reversing the motor you do the same with the other propeller. Moreover the running costs of VarioPROPs are low as the replacement carbon blades cost from • 1.50 to • 3.30 each depending on hub size and diameter. I broke all 6 blades on the Blenheim taking off with the retract switch in up position. I had switched on the model while it was sitting on the runway & the wheels did not lift until they were more lightly loaded. The hubs are not usually damaged and are also very attractive with the appearance similar to full size aircraft propeller hubs. I too have several VarioPROPs and I’m impressed by the extremely good build quality and range of propellers that can be built. Three sizes of hubs are available for 2, 3, 4 and 5-blades and for various shaft diameters. The 6A hub is the smallest with blades for 5.1” to 9.6” propellers and folding blade holders for any blades with 6mm wide roots and up to 350W. Next is the 8B hub with 7.9” to 10.4” blades, plus folding blade holders with 38mm and 42mm spacing for 8mm roots and up to 700W. The 12C hub is the largest with 10.1” to 15.0” blades and folding blade holders for 8mm root blades with a 48mm An 8B, 2-blade, hub with CAM 10” x 6” folder blade & holder (left) and a 9.7” scale blade (right). spacing and up to 2.2kW. E.F.-U.K. 7 Next another letter by Malcolm Mackendrick illustrating potential problems with LiPo packs. Since my last report on my LiPo battery experience, in Issue 81, I have calculated from logged flying times the number of cycles – i.e. discharges and recharges that my batteries have had. I only started logging individual battery cycles since the beginning of July 05. The two 3S2P, 3200 mAh, carbon plate backed packs have done between them 182 cycles unlogged & another 16 logged separately. Their present capacity has reduced to 2495 mAh for the battery purchased in June 04 & 3203 mAh for the battery bought in August 04. The total logged air time for these 2 packs has been: 6 hours 20 minutes in an Eco 8 1 hour 45 minutes, in series, in a big 80” (2m) model with an AXi 4120/18 5 hours 18 minutes in a Playboy (also in series), and 13 hours 37 minutes in a Crossfire A total of 27 hours in the air. 7 packs of 1600 mAh 3S1P batteries purchased at different times have between them done 375 unlogged cycles. I have now discarded 4 of these as being well below par at 392 mAh (purchased June 04) 445 mAh (August 04), 534 mAh (February 05) & the one deliberately shorted out (June 04). I cannot separate the usage of these 1600 mAh packs, however, the total flying time has been 34 hours and 7 minutes. In 3 of the models these packs are used in they are connected in parallel. The remaining 3 packs were bought in July 05. I do not generally fully discharge to 3 volts/cell on each flight, just to a conservatively set timer. Most flights are about 10 minutes as that is enough time before boredom or neck-ache sets in!! Besides the landings are part of the fun. I will report on total individual battery cycles when I have enough data. The capacity reduction of LiPo batteries is a well known problem, although there is very little data on the actually life and it’s relation to discharge C factor. To be able to really build any evidence the data needs to identify the number of cycles and at what average discharge C they were at. Potentially it is even more difficult than that as most cells have a increased rating for short durations and the profile of current draw may be important. Probably the only realistic way of coming up with any meaningful data is to cycle the cells under controlled conditions “on the bench”. Different charge / discharge profiles could be used, although the time & cells required would be exorbitant. 8 E.F.-U.K. New-2-U A Brief Round-up of New Items of Interest. If you are a manufacturer or retailer that has something new they want to share with the readers, please send details to the Editor (addresses on page 4). Above is the latest 2005 Kontronik catalogue, which is now available, as are all the products in it. In fact it is rather more of a New Products Catalogue, as most of the established and familiar products are not mentioned do in fact remain available. It is a dual language catalogue with a full English language treatment. As the cover suggests, emphasis is put on their serious venture into outrunner motors, with the launch of the KORA range - KORA 10, 15 and 25. Each is the same diameter with 3 different lengths to yield power handling of 300W, 400W and 600W respectively. The KORA 25 can also handle 1000W for take-off and aerobatic manoeuvres. Each size is available in 6 winds to give various RPM/V ranges and to suit differing cell counts. The mechanical arrangements are rather different to most established outrunners as there is a large diameter, ball-raced, ring bearing supporting the open end of the can, with a resultant improvement in dynamic rigidity. For the smaller, lower power, range Kontronik have introduced a German manufactured “Dancer” group of 4 outrunners. The MICRO Dancer is their tiny E.F.-U.K. 9 entry into the 400 class weighing 46g, handling 120W and capable of taking gearboxes. The remaining 3 are based on a common diameter of 32.5mm but in 3 lengths. The MINI, MAXI and EVO Dancers cover the power range of 100W to 250W and can swing propellers up to 14” diameter. Two new brushless controllers enter the range with the cost effective, LiPo compatible, “Fit and Fly”, PIX range (18A & 30A). Additionally, 2 new 55A JAZZ controllers with 18-cell and 30-cell ratings and both having BEC outputs - a first. The new 2005 Kontronik catalogue is available for £1 from Alan Fry, ImporTekniK, 29 Braiswick, Colchester, CO4 5AU. Hacker Brushless Motors have been busy creating 2 new ranges of 12-pole outrunner motors, the A20 and A30 series and the X-series brushless controllers developed for them. The A20 has a 20mm diameter stator and is available in Short, Medium and Long versions with 2 winds being available for the M & L motors. The Hacker A20-S, A20-M and A20-L motors Motor Wgt Battery A20-34S 1500 29g 2 LiPo 2-6 8 8” x 3.8” A20-30M 980 42g 3 LiPo 4 - 11 14 9” x 4.7” A20-26M 1130 42g 3 LiPo 4 - 11 15 9” x 4.7” A20-22L 924 57g 3 LiPo 6 - 14 17 10” x 4.7” A20-20L 1022 57g 3 LiPo 6 - 15 19 10” x 4.7” Both series are supplied with a comprehensive mounting kit, comprising a standard bulkhead mount, a plywood mounting disc and an unusual post mount for a single mounting hole in a bulkhead (extremely useful for models with an arrow shaft fuselage). 10 Amps Cont. 15s RPM/V Propeller The hardware supplied with A20 & A30 motors: mounting screws, shaft circlips, shaft collet, various mounts and a propeller adapter E.F.-U.K. The A30 has a 30mm diameter stator and additionally features EXtra Long versions and a total of 9 different winds. The Hacker A30-S, A-30M, A-30L and A-30XL with hardware supplied Motor Amps Cont. 15s RPM/V Wgt Battery A30-28S 1140 70g 3 LiPo < 15 25 9” x 6” to 10” x 4.7” A30-22S 1440 70g 2 LiPo 3 LiPo < 20 < 16 32 28 9” x 6” to 10” x 4.7” 7” x 6” to 8” x 3.8” A30-16M 1060 105g 3 LiPo < 22 33 10” x 4.7” to 11” x 4.7” A30-12M 1370 105g 3 LiPo < 25 35 8” x 3.8” to 9” x 4.7” A30-12L 1000 145g 3 LiPo 4 LiPo < 25 < 15 37 27 9” x 6” to 10” x 7” TBA A30-10L 1185 145g 3 LiPo 4 LiPo < 29 < 20 40 30 9” x 4.7” to 10” x 4.7” TBA A30-12XL 770 180g 3 LiPo 4 LiPo 5 LiPo < 25 < 18 < 14 37 28 22 13” x 8” to 14” x 7” TBA TBA A30-10XL 900 180g 3 LiPo 4 LiPo 5 LiPo < 30 <21 <17 42 32 25 12” x 8” to 13” x 6.5” TBA TBA A30-8XL 1100 180g 3 LiPo 4 LiPo <35 <25 45 33 TBA Helicopter E.F.-U.K. Propeller 11 To drive these new motors Hacker have introduced the X-series of brushless controllers. They are available in 5 versions with the ratings as shown below. All are designed to operate on 2 - 3 LiPo or 5 - 10 NiCd/NiMH cells. The Hacker X-7, X-12, X-20, X-30 and X-40 Brushless Controllers Amps ESC Size (mm) Weight Current BEC Load X-7 29 x 23 x 9 10g (0.36oz) 7A 2-3 Servos X-12 42 x 24 x 9 15g (0.53oz) 12A 2-3 Servos X-20 42 x 24 x 9 16g (0.57oz) 20A 2-4 Servos X-30 51 x 24 x 10 24g (0.85oz) 30A 2-4 Servos X-40 81 x 28 x 10 45g (1.6oz) 40A 2-4 Servos The prices for these new motors and controllers are not know at present, but Hacker products are available in the UK from Gordon Tarling, 87 Cowley Mill Road, Uxbridge, Middlesex, UB8 2QD (visitors strictly by prior appointment only). Telephone and fax on 01895 251551, email [email protected] You can also check out Gordon’s website at www.gordontarling.co.uk Another previously unannounced item available from Gordon Tarling is the Alti 2 Altitude Data Logger (shown left). Alti 2 is a small device, which can be fitted into almost any model and will store a record of the model’s altitude. When you get home, the Alti 2 is connected to your PC and the data downloaded via the supplied software (screen shot opposite). You can then analyse your model’s flights and performance. For example, if you are flying a glider and want to optimise the model’s climb rate, the Alti 2 allow you to choose the best propeller for the job. Alti 2 is powered by the receiver battery and could be connected to a spare channel, 12 E.F.-U.K. which then enables flight markers to be entered into the data record in order to make later analysis easier. Sample rate of the unit is adjustable from one sample every 0.1 seconds to one every 6 seconds. Recording time of the standard unit varies according to sample rate selected - from 14 minutes to 13 hours is possible. Specification Weight 9g Dimensions 38 x 18 x 13mm Memory capacity Standard version 8180 records BF version 32720 records Power Supply 4.4 to 9.6 Volts DC Current consumption 15mA Resolution 0.5m Max altitude 3000m relative to start height No of flights (on/off cycles) unlimited Alti 2 is supplied complete with serial interface lead for connection to PC, with software and full operating instructions supplied on CD. You will require Adobe Acrobat Reader in order to read the instruction file. Prices: Alti 2 Standard £ 99.95, Alti 2 BF (more memory) £ 119.95 Contact details for Gordon Tarling are on the opposite page. E.F.-U.K. 13 Permagrit have recently added a couple of new tools to their range: Firstly are the CB140 and CB280 Contour Blocks. Also released is a Permagrit Sanding Block and various grades of Sanding sheets design to fit it. The sanding sheets can of course be used with your own blocks to obtain almost any sanding shape you require. If the sanding sheets are as durable as their other products these could be a real winner. Details on all Permagrit products can be seen and purchased online on their excellent website at www.permagrit.com. Alternatively they can be contacted on telephone 01529 455 034, fax 01529 455 514, email [email protected] or at Perma-Grit Tools, The Old Forge, Osbournby, Sleaford, Lincolnshire, NG34 0DN. 14 E.F.-U.K. This page features 3 new products available from Tony Hill of All Electric RC (www.allelectricrc.co.uk). Right is the 3D Piranha, a wild performer! If you can fly a manoeuvre, this model can perform it! Very light built up interlocked construction and ARTF. The best motor is a Vortex 28/26/1200 (or similar) on a 3S LiPo pack around 900mAh. This model kit is ONLY available from All Electric RC and excellent value at only £39.99 Left is the Prodigy 3D, a Pattern - 3D hybrid with superb performance! The ideal motor is stated as the Vortex 28/30/950 or similar sized outrunner running on a 3S LiPo pack of 1600mAh. It is an ARTF kit of all built up construction and has a 37½” (95cm) wingspan. You will see this advertised at £124.99, but from All Electric RC it is only £99.99 Below right is the new Pro-Peak Prodigy II charger. It has a variable rate charge from 100mA to 5A and discharge between 100mA and 1A. It is capable of charging: 1 - 5 Li-Poly or Li-Ion Cells 1 - 14 NiCd or NiMH Cells 1 - 6 Lead cells. It has a 2-line, 16 character display and can do multiple charge/discharge cycles. The All Electric RC price is £49.99. See the All Electric RC range on their website (above) or you can contact them at [email protected] or telephone 01782 788 778. E.F.-U.K. 15 Electric-Planes.co.uk announce the arrival of the Mountain Models Etana, which was awarded Best New Product at Southeast Electric Flight Festival (USA) 2005. The Etana is a 44" (112 cm) wingspan aerobatic airplane with a wing area of 418 sq.in. (27 dm2) and is 45” (114 cm) in length. It’s large control surfaces makes it 3D capable. The Etana was carefully engineered to eliminate coupling in knife edge allowing the less experienced pilot to knife edge with ease. The Etana assembles quickly and easily. The laser cut kit is almost foolproof with interlocking pieces designed with AutoCAD. Much of the fuselage and wings are assembled before you start gluing. The wings plug into a carbon fibre spar and the tail surfaces are airfoiled for good control response. The landing gear is prebent 6061 T6 aluminium and the wheels and pushrods are included with the kit. Both a front firewall mount and a GWS style stick motor mount are provided. The mounts bolt onto the fuselage, allowing easy swapping. The Etana is designed to fly with a brushless motor capable of 150 to 200W with a 10” to 12” propeller. The prototype has flown well on an AXi 2808/24 propped to pull 15A (150W) and has performed well. At these power levels, a 3S 2000mAh LiPo battery pack is recommended. The flying weight is approx. 24 oz. (680g) plus whatever battery pack you fit. In addition to the kit, you will need two Naro Max BB servos, two Naro Standard servos, two 6" (150mm) servo extension cables, two 12" (300mm) servo extension cables, and two rolls of lightweight covering. If your transmitter does not have two aileron servo mixing, you will also need a Y lead. The price of the Etana kit from is Electric-Planes.co.uk £69.99. More information on the Mountain Models range stocked by Electric-Planes.co.uk is available from their website http://electric-planes.co.uk/ or telephoning 01229 824 740 (ask for Mark - closed Thursday & Sunday) or email at [email protected] 16 E.F.-U.K. Also recently added to electric-planes.co.uk is the Stevens Aero G-400x “Stella”. Bill Stevens spent a considerable amount of time developing the unique aerodynamic design of the Stella - every feature from the wing's transitional foil to fuselage shape have been engineered to produce a model that is free of undesirable pitch and roll coupling. This low wing design with intelligent fuselage shape allows for efficient high and low speed knife edge performance. In fact Knife Edge loops are standard fare in this models aerobatic diet. Perhaps the most desirable feature of the Stella is in it's versatility. We all are aware just how important a background in precision flying is when learning 3D aerobatics. The Stella allows the novice pilot a solid platform that tracks large clean loops, hammerheads, cubans, split S, point rolls, slow rolls, rolling circles, Immelmans, humpty bumps, spins, and anything else you can dish out at it. With the flick of your dual rate switch the Stella transforms into an aggressive no compromises 3D machine to allow you to work out your harriers, hover, torque rolls, blenders, waterfalls, parachutes, walls, etc ... without the need for re-propping, mixing, or modifying the CG. So far all we have discussed is Stella's flight performance. It seems unfair to end here without telling you about the build performance. This kit flies off your workbench in short order (2 evening frame up is average) thanks to the 100% laser cut parts assembly. Each part is meticulously designed to interlock utilizing the proven Stevens AeroModel Truss-Loc™ system. They support their intelligently engineered model designs with clear concise plan sheets backed by extensive photo illustrated instruction manuals...this is not a build but a pleasurable assembly! The Stella has a wing span and overall length of 36½” (93cm) with a wing area of 350 sq.in (22.6dm2). Typical flying weight range is 14 to 16½ oz. (400 - 465g). Unsurprisingly the Stella features Aileron, Elevator, Rudder and Throttle controls needing Naro servos throughout. For a budget power system it can be fitted with a GWS EPS350C or D motor set with an 8-cell pack of KAN 650 and a 12” x 6” silent flight propeller. For ultimate performance they recommend a Tornado 2025-4200 with 5.33:1 gearbox, 3S LiPo around 1600mAh and an 11” x 4.7” silent flight propeller. The kit price is reasonable £60 E.F.-U.K. 17 The final new offering from electricplans.co.uk is the Tiny-X. The Tiny-X was designed with a fully symmetrical airfoil and to use the inexpensive GWS products allowing you to fly aerobatics in confined spaces. The kit includes 71 laser cut parts and a full supply of Sig & Dubro hardware. 2 sheets of CAD plans with written instructions allow the Tiny-X to be built FAST & flown WILD. The Tiny-X is capable of very tight low speed turns and for the more adventurous types it will loop, roll and fly inverted. Full aerobatic flight times with a 7 cell 300mAh Nickel Metal Hydride battery pack are in the 7 minute range. The model features a 27” (69cm) span and a wing area of 220 sq. in. (14.2dm2). The flying weight is intended to be between 6½ and 7 oz. (185 - 200g). The recommended motor set is the GWS IPS-DX2BB-A with a p” x 7” slowfly propeller. It has Aileron, Elevator and Throttle control and requires micro radio equipment. Recommended battery packs are 7-cell 300mAh NiMH or 2S LiPo under 1000mAh. The kit is available for £45, see page 18 for contact details. The Multiplex EasyGlider, electric and sailplane versions, are now available in model shops. An ideal start point for beginners to RC. The electric model is complete with motor, gearbox & propeller. It has a 1.8m (71”), 2piece, wing, GRP joiner with Aileron, Elevator, Rudder & Throttle controls. The Twin-Star II is also now becoming available in shops. Like the original 1420mm (56”) span but a two-piece wind, lots of improvements and moulded in EPP. 18 E.F.-U.K. Readers’ Models Your chance to show the members your model(s). Above is the J. P. Special of Mike Moore (Hereford), which he has named the “Raptor”. The model has a span of 1.56m (61½”), a wing area of approx. 24.2dm2 (375 sq.in.) and a flying weight of 1530g (54 oz.), giving a wing loading of around 63.3g/dm2 (20.7 oz./sq.ft.) and a wing cube loading of 12.8 (= Scale model). Power is provided by 3 x Speed 400 motors in parallel with Graupner Grey 6” x 4” propellers, a BEC controller and a 7-cell, Sub-C, 2400 mAh pack. Initial “take-off” current is 30A, producing about 250W. This produces a thrust of approx. 800g (28 oz.), giving a thrust:weight ratio of ~52%. After the initial surge, the steady thrust at full throttle is 680g (24 oz.) and the thrust:weight is 44½%. Mike says that at full throttle he gets Port: 10900 RPM, Centre: 11500 RPM and Starboard: 11000 RPM. He has tried umpteen motors and can not get them to synchronise. Mike also says that it flies well none the less, with very little swing on take-off and that can be controlled easily with the rudder. (Editor: I think Mike is missing the point of multi-motor models. The whole idea is that the motors on models and full size are never synchronised and one of the best things is the beat pattern produced due to this. I wouldn’t worry about the 5% difference between the motors - vive la difference) E.F.-U.K. 19 Above is Mark Christensen looking pleased with himself after another morning’s flying on the sands in Wales. A July day with 3 miles of beach and no one around. The other wise standard Twin-Jet “Blue Shark” has had Day-Glo covering added to the inboard, front, upper surface of the wings. This greatly assists with reducing the orientation problems that come with delta configurations. Below and at the top of the next page are photographs of Fred Keegan’s LF1 Zaunkönig (“Wren”), from a plan by Phil Kent. At the bottom of the next page is a photograph of the original aircraft taken at the RAeS Garden Party in 1950. 20 E.F.-U.K. The Zaunkönig was designed by Professor Dr.Ing. H. Winter and was built as an essay by the aeronautical students of the Technical University of Brunswick. It first flew in April 1945 and was painted in German Grey-Green camouflage. The flaps and slats gave a safe landing distance of 88 yds. (80m) and an unstick distance of only 55 yds. (50m). The slats prevented the tips from stalling and the aircraft could be flown semi-stalled at 31 mph (50 kph) with only the centre of the wing stalled. It was intended to have a variable incidence wing and tailplane, but the necessary fittings were never installed. The original aircraft was fitted with a Zundapp Z9-92 4-cylinder inline air-cooled engine rated at 51 hp at 2.350 rpm for take-off and driving a Schwarz two bladed wooden propeller. It had a span of 26’ 4¾” (8.02m); length 19’ 10¾” (6.08m), height 7’ 10¼” (2.38 m) and a wing area of 91.38 sq.ft. (8.49m2). The empty weight was 553 lb. (251 kg) and maximum loaded weight was 776 lb. (355kg). The performance was impressive with maximum speed 87.5 mph (141 kph); econ cruise 53 mph (85 kph); initial climb 562 ft/min (2.85m/s); approx ceiling, 12550’ (3820m); range. 218 miles (350 km); take-off - flaps up 45mph (72kph), flaps down 31mph (50 kph); Landing - engine off, flaps up 44mph (71 kph), flaps down 37 mph (60kph) The model was designed for 5 channel control and an OS 30 FS. The latter has been replaced with a 650 motor, 3:1 gearbox and an 8-cell 2400 mAh pack. It is approx. 1:6 scale with a span of 53¾” (1.37m) and a wing area of 365 sq. in. (23.5dm2). The flying weight is 4 lb. 9 oz. (2.07kg) giving a wing loading of 28.8 oz./sq.ft (88g/dm2). (Editor: The Wing Cude Loading (WCL) is 18.1, which is a little above the full size CL of 14.2 at maximum load). The model is painted with Humbrol No 25 Matt Blue with a final coat of Plasti-kote clear Acrylic. E.F.-U.K. 21 Let it Out!! by John Thompson Some years ago I went to the World Scale Champs in France and one of the fliers from an Eastern bloc country had a Sopwith Triplane. The large ‘horseshoe’ cowl contained a 25cc two stroke that had been fitted with a large alloy silencer. The open end of the horseshoe is the only outlet for any cooling air entering the front of the cowling, but in this case it was partly covered by the silencer. Now in the colder climate of the Ukraine this may have worked, but in the 40° temperature in France the engine just cooked, so he never completed a single flight all week. It is important that air entering any engine installation should have an exit, and that exit must be of bigger area to allow for heat expansion. Next time you are at the Nationals look at a speed control-line model, they have close fitting cowl with a slot at the front and a larger opening at the back. I have seen several model kits both electric and IC which did not allow for this. Recently I was flying my ‘Diablotin’ that also does not show any cooling arrangement on the plan. It flies well on five LiPo cells, but on this flight the power began to fade prematurely. Opening and closing the throttle made no improvement but suddenly a stream of smoke appeared behind it!! 22 E.F.-U.K. Recalling the horror stories about these cells, the throttle was closed and a rapid arrival arranged. Approaching the model with caution the visible part of the E.F.-U.K. 23 battery was in ashes, with soot everywhere. Nothing was burning so the broken propeller was used to lever the bits out. The battery I am using consists of a three cell pack with a two cell pack in series, and the latter had burst open, while the former was still intact although somewhat charred. Having witnessed last year the complete destruction of a large model whose LiPo’s had been mischarged it was surprising that mine had survived, if somewhat scorched. The answer seems to be ventilation. One cell of the pack had somehow blown, but the arrangement of cooling air would seem to have dispersed the Oxygen/ Hydrogen gases before they could do much damage. This conclusion was reached on internal inspection of the airframe as traces of the sooty deposits could be seen along the line that the air would take. One is to the underside under the wing, and the other through the cockpit. My Devil pilot is covered in soot and now has a smoked canopy (see bottom of previous page). Luckily I used a separate RX battery so kept control, and everything still works, but there are a few burnt holes in the wing covering (shown above). What caused it? I don’t know. The cells have been in use for a year, the packs are charged separately on two ‘Prodigy’ Chargers at 1C, and the Torcman motor only takes 20A static, well within the limit of the 2600s. 24 E.F.-U.K. Fillip for a Filip by Nick Fitton Some time ago I wrote about ‘an incident’ I had in my Chipmunk, G-AOTR, when confusion over the ‘You have control’ - ‘I have control’ convention nearly turned me into a CAA statistic and my wife into a wealthy woman. Another bit of fun was when I tried to do a Derry turn - not a Derry wing over, mind,. a Derry turn. I knew the probable outcome so I started at 6000' needing fully half that to sort out the resulting shambles. Derry turns are best left to the likes of the Extra, Sukhoi, Harrier, Jaguar and the like, all of which have low roll inertia and eyeball twizzling rates of roll. Or maybe just leave them to better pilots than me! The reader may have the impression that much of my Chipmunk time was spent in sheer terror. Actually most was pure pleasure, but just occasionally.................... RWY 04 abeam the port wing. I don’t like five mile VC10 approaches, especially in a Chipmunk with a fifty year old Gypsy Major engine. The graveyard just before the perimeter fence reinforces the point. The C of A has just been completed so the engine will at it’s most unreliable. Accordingly, the handling pilot has been told to do a glide approach via a descending turn on to short finals. In well co-ordinated movements he reduces power to idle, drops back to 60ish, selects flaps & trims- all this whilst holding a balanced turn. Perhaps not the way it’s taught now, but the delightful handling of the Chipmunk encourages it. Although I am PI, I have no worries, as this handling pilot seems to know his stuff. It’s not easy landing an unfamiliar tailwheel aeroplane. A little high, but better that than too low. Crossed controls into a gentle sideslip whilst keeping the turn going, checking back to correct the nose drop. A nice coordinated turn now, full flap selected, speed reducing to fifty-five and I relax, looking up at the top wing. I put my feet lightly on the rudder pedals because my knees, damaged by forty years of Squash and Tennis, want to stretch. This simple act probably saved our lives. There are seminal moments in ones life - you know the kind of thing - holding your new born for the first time, first solo, the Kennedy assassination etc. Now I experienced another. In the same instant as fright alarms the mind I sense the aeroplane go quiet, the left wing teetering on the edge of ‘departing” as they say. I feel the stick hit my right inner thigh, precisely where it shouldn’t be with the aeroplane in this attitude and at this height. No time for the “I have control” bit - full top rudder, stick central and easing forward (at this height one doesn’t ram the stick forward). A spin, even an incipient one at this height will be irrecoverable - the aeroplane has full tanks and my flame resistant flying suit won’t do much for me at 1200°C. E.F.-U.K. 25 Feed in the power gently - one doesn’t ram the throttle forward either, as she has the engaging habit of rich cutting. We’re flying again and I tease her towards the runway. Much too fast to stop before the end, so full power & away we go. The circuit is flown in silence as we realise that by rights we should be carbonised on the 04 threshold. In relieved anger I fly a slipped, curved, glide approach as it should be done, centralising the controls as the aeroplane settles on to the runway, pedalling to counter the swing. Why angry? Because I’m angry with myself, not the handling pilot. As PI I should been monitoring his actions, especially at that critical phase of flight. In silence we get out of the aircraft. I’m shaking. “Jesus Christ” says he, quietly. He’s not swearing, he’s giving thanks. Having recovered our composure we went aloft again that day, and he did it more or less right. Most agricultural landings I experienced in the Chipmunk were at the hands of pilots being checked out. Personally, I never did a really bad landing. Anyone believe that? I put in this little opener to capture your attention. If you are a modeller as well as a full size pilot, remember the old canons of aviation wisdom: “Maintain thine airspeed lest the ground arise and smite thee” and “All aeroplanes bite fools.” I’ve lost six friends over the years because they thought they knew best. Like my Chipmunk that near fatal day, my modelling career has taken a nosedive. These days I have this irresistible urge to downsize, a better term being “downcash”. I get more pleasure now trying to get a lot out of a little. I’ve been down the ‘chasing technology’ and ‘more Watts/lb.’ routes, and whilst it has been inspiring (and expensive) I question whether it is aeromodelling in the Aeromodeller Magazine sense of the word. Surely one can get more fun per £ with simple Speed 400 models. Let me illustrate the point. My Speed 400 Tucano flies for 8 minutes on an 8-cell KAN 1050 pack. It is aerobatic and fast - a delight to fly in fact, and if you take care to build the 26 E.F.-U.K. wing truly flat, the stall is a non event. It cost peanuts to make, doesn’t suffer from hangar rash (too small), it doesn’t need to be assembled on site and can sit on the car seat beside me. Being so light it has little kinetic energy, so in heavy landings it suffers proportionately less than it’s larger, faster cousins. Sheet construction translates into low build times and ease of repair. What justification is there for an 85+% efficient brushless motor and associated ESC costing maybe £60? Ditto LiPo. A 45% efficient Speed 400 at £3.95 produces a fast pleasant model aeroplane, which is what it is all about. (Editor: Some people like to have more fun per £, for others they just want to go even faster and for longer - Brushless & LiPo is the best way to achieve this..) I have always found it relaxing watching birds of prey and seagulls soaring. I especially like watching them hovering stationery on a strong wind, and on landing when they mimic aircraft in almost every way – actually the other way round, except that with real aeroplanes the feathers don’t rise at the stall! So I keep coming back to powered gliders. Having assembled the Filip 600 Sport, I liked the build quality of the RCM Pelikan kits and so the logical choice was the Filip 400 Aileron. In keeping with the downcashing philosophy I want to use the same packs, motors and ESCs for most of my future models. This is bad news for suppliers. Mr Emms will however be pleased to learn that I intend building another Filip 600 Sport or similar, when the spirit moves me. The level of performance required for the Filip 400 meant the choice of power train was never in doubt. It had to be geared, and it had to be the Cosomotech epicyclic gearbox. From the flying weight and wing area I calculated the stall speed (4.4* Sqrt wing loading in ozs./sq.ft.) as 13 mph, and hence the pitch speed at 26mph, which is 2 x stall speed which is OK for a powered glider. (But not for a Speed 400 aerobatic model when I want 3 x stall speed) This gave me an RPM figure, hence the prop pitch. MotoCalc gave me the prop thrust, which I wanted to be not less than ½ flying weight. Building the Model At about 23 ozs. flying weight the Filip 400 is not in the “Highlight” and “Simply the Best” league, but it comes close and is capable of winning competitions. In Northern Ireland, and especially in the West of County Tyrone we experience windy conditions a-plenty as evidenced by the number of wind farms, so maybe the ultra light Highlight and STB are not really suitable for our conditions. (Update. Since the bulk of this article was written I have come to the view that the Filip 400 is also to light for N Ireland conditions, hence my intention to buy a Filip 600 Sport). E.F.-U.K. 27 The RCM Pelikan Filip 400 as designed. This photograph is of another Filip 400 as Nick didn’t provide any photographs with his article. The Filip 400 aileron is, not surprisingly, the aileron equipped version of the “basic” two-channel Filip 400. It is available with either a V or T tailplane, and has an optional air brake- actually a spoiler. Rather strangely, the wing tip dihedral of the two channel version is retained for the aileron version, albeit at a reduced angle. More on this later. Puffin’s mail order service deserves special mention. I live in Omagh in the far west of N. Ireland, but if I ring my order through at a reasonable time of day it usually arrives on my doorstep the following morning. On one occasion I rang my order through at an unreasonable time and it arrived with the early morning post. Flawless service - thanks Puffin. Less appreciated was the fact that the sticky tape used to stop the components from rattling round in the box had stuck to the glass fibre fuselage, and it was hell to remove! The instructions start out well but rapidly head south. I got the distinct impression that the ailerons had been added as an afterthought, and that the instructions had been hastily and minimally revised to suit. Fuselage First job was to mate the gearbox to the motor. You must get this 100% right, first time, no compromise. The pinion is a tight interference fit on the shaft of the MIG 400 motor. Clean the shaft and pinion bore to remove all traces of oil. Using a pin apply a high shear strength adhesive to the pinion bore, working from the top and wetting the entire circumference. 28 E.F.-U.K. Be careful to apply only the bare minimum because if you overdo it excess adhesive might run back into the motor bearing. I wrap thread around the shaft at the bearing to absorb any excess adhesive. Making sure everything is square press the pinion on to the shaft (careful!) ensuring it is placed in the exact position to ensure full length engagement with the planetary gears. To achieve this I made up a simple jig using squared graph paper. Push the pinion on in small increments because you do not want to have to slide it back and forwards along the shaft to find the correct position, which would require the use of a pinion puller and lots of swearing. Remember that the adhesive is curing rapidly from the moment air starts to be excluded from the gap. Allow it to cure for as long as you can before subjecting the bond line to any load. At a guess it’s probably near full strength after a day, but I don’t load it at all until the model is ready for pre first flight power checks. The motor gearbox combination is mated to the ply nose former and test fitted to the fuselage. RCM Pelikan have cut the nose to the correct angles of down and side thrust, but this fact is not stated in the instructions. Neither can I decipher that point in the instructions where they attempt to explain how to mount the ply former in the nose - I got the bit about cleaning / sanding the inside of the nose at what will be the bond line, but after that I got lost. My own technique is to clamp the motor/gearbox/former unit to the nose using the spinner as the clamp, allowing it’s back face to mate accurately with the nose edges. This technique achieves a virtually perfect fit. RCM Pelikan supplies a ventilating spinner and to get the entrained air to cool the motor I drilled a number of small holes around the periphery of the nose former. Now comes the fun of fitting the wing bolt mounting. My first instruction is to throwaway the instructions. Unless you are ET neither you nor I have 10" long fingers. You have to cut a hole at the point where the wing seats on the fuselage, but the instructions don’t say this. This cut out also facilitates fitting the elevator and rudder servos, which you will probably want to mount under the wing centre section. This is also where the Rx has to go because it has to receive the wing servo plugs. A useful benefit is that it places the Rx a long way from the ESC, in my case a Rondo. Mounting the elevator and rudder servos in this position allows the battery pack to be Velcro fixed to the floor thus permitting plenty of room for CG adjustment. To achieve adequate, accurate and repeatable control surface movement, you have to bond the control rod outers to the fuselage sides, and over a considerable length. You will not enjoy this job. I managed it by placing a cautious finger on the outer and pinning it to the fuselage side (the outer, not my finger), then ran medium cyano along the outer. E.F.-U.K. 29 This can have several outcomes: (1) the outer will be well attached with a cyano/ skin gap-filling compound. (2) if you are really clumsy the inner will be permanently internally bonded to the inner surface of the outer (I like that!) (3) you and the aeroplane will be inseparable and (4) the result will be as hoped for, which I what I achieved. Another way of doing it is to use thick discs of blue foam pushed down the fuselage. Tailplane/rudder Rudder is easy and needs no comment. The tailplane is fixed to the fuselage using the “captive nut bonded to a drilled hardwood insert, epoxied into the top of the fin” system, but using the bits supplied leads to inaccurate location and high bending stresses in the nylon fixing bolt. My system uses a piece of ½” square soft balsa strip (ex Twin-Jet spine), skinned on one face with 1/32" ply and sanded to an approximate “D” section. This is squeezed into the top of the fin and bonded in place with cyano. With the tailplane temporarily in place and accurately aligned the hole can be drilled. The beauty of this system is that the soft balsa gives slightly, allowing the captive bolt to “find it’s own position” in relation to the bolt, thus relieving stresses. Filip advise that the forward end of the tailplane be located with a dowel or something (I had virtually abandoned the instructions at this stage) but a small self tapping screw directly into the fibreglass is easier and better. The Wing The only jobs here are (1) install the servos, (2) fit the central locating dowel and (3) attach the wing tips at the correct angle. For (1) I used the masking tape/ cyano method, (2) no problem and (3) - a doddle you might think, but because the tips are set up at an angle and swept back the spruce spar cannot be continued across the discontinuity. RCM Pelikan’s solution is to epoxy a piece of loose fitting spruce across the gap. I did this with trepidation, as I don’t like discontinuities in wing spars. To carry the aileron cables there are tubes placed in the tips and main wing panels. To make your life a little more difficult the two ends do not line up, and if you get epoxy in there as well you are b**gered vis-a-vis pushing the cables along the wing. Work out your own salvation! Electronics installation No real problems here. Just a comment on my choice of ESC. I elected to use a Rondo unit, available ex my stock, thus maximising fuselage space and minimising cost. This ESC can only drive three servos and I had four, indeed five if I chose to use the mid wing spoiler. This latter problem was eliminated by opting to go for spoilerons. 30 E.F.-U.K. My thinking was that if this ESC were installed in a high speed aerobatic model with three servos, it would not be electrically overloaded if installed in a 4 servo gentle model like the Filip 400. I’m sure ESC designers build in a fiddle factor, and so far I have had no problems. A comment here on the Rondo ESC. The 3 leads leading to the Rx are soldered directly into the PCB and as such produce a weak joint, intolerant of vibration, bending etc. I had one of the leads let go and it was most difficult to solder it back. Rx sits aft of the wing bolt, thus putting it a long way from the ESC. The battery pack is Velcro attached to a false floor epoxied into the fuselage, thus allowing ample room for CG adjustment and easy removal. Flying First flight was scary. The model went into a marginally controllable roll to the right, controllability improving as the speed built up. I was glad to have the rudder available otherwise it would have been a bin bag job. The problem turned out to be a washed in warp in the left wing: bearing in mind RCM Pelikan’s quality I had assumed the wing would be true. Silly boy. A session at home with the smoothing iron eliminated the warp, and the control surfaces were set up with double deflection. The right rolling tendency was eliminated, but the roll rate was still very soggy, rudder being necessary to achieve satisfactory response. Maybe this is a good thing hones one’s flying skills and all that sort of thing. Pitch stability and response were satisfactory, as was the action of the spoilerons, especially with some down elevator mixed in. Climb rate is excellent, prompting some club members to ask what type of brushless motor I am using: the answer “a £3.95 ferrite” has the desired effect. I conveniently leave out the bit about the £50 gearbox- well, they didn’t ask, and with a 10” x 8” propeller poking out of the front it should have been obvious: can’t really expect too much intelligence in I/C types! Aerobatics reveal the ability to loop from straight and level but rolls of any type are a non-starter. It won’t spin either, which is probably a good thing as a VNE dive might result. I once did this spinning a Rollason Condor, the recovery ending up past the vertical and in excess of VNE - scary! Development I came to the conclusion that the sluggish roll rate was due to the high degree of stability conferred by the upturned wing tips. Additionally, because the ailerons are set into the tips the rolling moment produced by aileron deflection would lower than would be the case were the tips flat (think about it). My solution was crude. I sawed the tips almost completely through, cracked them downward and pinned them flat to align with the main wing panel. The resultant E.F.-U.K. 31 gap between main panel and tip was packed with balsa wood dust and thin cyano dripped on. If you do this at home wear a mask and deactivate the smoke alarm. The result is a slight improvement in roll rate but it’s still a bit Queen Mum for my liking. I took the opportunity to re-cover the entire wing with red Airspan because I hate the “starved horse” look prized by so many modellers. I also feel the original Oracover exerts too strong a shrinking force on the lightweight structure and that this is what caused the wing warp. However, whilst out flying recently I experienced severe wing tip flutter followed by detachment, whilst pulling gently out of a loop. I was sufficiently close to observe that the wing tip appeared to be in a resonant twisting mode, leading me to suspect that the use of Airspan had compromised rigidity. The bond line between the main wing panel and tip was OK, but it seemed more as if the structure had shattered. I intend re-covering with good old tissue and dope to restore stiffness. I also suspect that lack of rigidity might contribute to the poor roll rate, the wing tip twisting in response to aileron movement. Perhaps aeroelasticity is too grand a concept at Filip 400 speeds! A few closing comments. I dislike RCM Pelikan’s choice of colours, (yellow tips and spoiler plate, red main wing, blue canopy), so my model is now unashamedly red, white and blue, with the Union flag on it’s tail. I dislike even more the instruction manual. RCM Pelikan needs a serious rethink on this one. The Filip 400 Aileron is a delightful model when used in its intended role i.e. a summer day soaring. High speed passes with pull ups are not a good idea, and neither are aerobatics. If you want that go to the Highlander, Pelikan, or 600 Sport and see John’s eyes light up! Looks-wise it is quite superb, especially in my non-dihedral version. Gliders with turned up tips look a bit toyish to me. Here is the Filip data:Span: 1.6m (63") Current: 8A Weight 680g (24 ozs.) Motor volts: 8.5 V Area: 29.2dm2 (453 sq. ins.) Power load: 45 W/lb. (input) Loading: 54.75g/dm2 (7.6 oz./sq.ft.) Prop. RPM: 4700 Power: MIG 400 (Puffin) Pitch speed: 35 mph (56 kph) ESC: Kontronic Rondo 400 Thrust: 50% of weight* Gearbox: Cosmotech epicyclic 4.5:1 Stall Speed 13 mph (21 kph) (calc) Propeller: 10” x 8” Aeronaut folder Rate of climb: 750 ft/min (3.8m/s)* Pack: * = MotoCalc prediction 32 8 x KAN-1050 NiMH E.F.-U.K. The Chester Electric Fly-In at the Roodee 2005 by John Thompson Sunday June 19th dawned hot and sunny so the signs were good for this annual event. My driving into the City was more careful than last year when a speed camera caught me out. The Roodee was humming with activity and it was reported that 250 cars were parked, fortunately for us fliers, not all contained models. The flying soon got under way with a wider variety of aeroplanes than you would get at the average IC meeting. Unfortunately I decided to get some flying in the morning and take pictures later in the day, not a good idea as you will see. Several models caught my eye including a Latecore flying boat, Quadriplane, and even a Wright Flyer made a brief hop. One of my favourite aircraft is the DH 108 Swallow, and Richard Jones’s of the ‘Plane Crazy’ club, had his scratch built one which performed well on a Mega 22/30/2 and 16 cells. His unusual Horton 9C sported two similar Megas and 32 cells to fly in a convincing manner. Both these impressive bungeed models flew regularly during the day. E.F.-U.K. 33 My Grumman Cougar from the Airworks kit had made its first flight (in my hands) the week before and the foot released bungee had behaved impeccably, although landing a DF model without elevator got the adrenaline going. 34 E.F.-U.K. Sods law however came to the fore, and apart from the line breaking and whacking my leg, somehow it got caught in the LE causing the model to slew over, so aborting the flying. Later the small RX in my Micro-Bipe suffered from the proximity of all the TXs and it got slightly damaged as well. Unfortunately early afternoon brought thunder, lightning and hailstones, so flying was suspended and quite a few families set off home. Later it cleared a little and the prize giving was brought forward. In the past prizes have been awarded for various categories, but this year only one was given. Bill Macleod was thrilled when on his first visit to the Roodee he was awarded the prize for ‘Most Impressive Model’ with his ‘Pou de Ciel’ powered by a Typhoon 15 on 3S2P 2400 LiPo cells and 7” x 4” propeller. A raffle followed with all the Traders generously donating items, and BEFA giving a free years membership. All in all a good days flying, thanks Chester for another well organised event. E.F.-U.K. 35 A-10 Warthog by Ivan Goodchild Having designed and built several large scale electric models including Sally B the B17, we were looking for an unusual model for our next project. Tony had already built his excellent 5.2m (17’) Lancaster and the bomber scene was now well served. Whilst attending an LMA event at Duxford, we found a book by Peter Smith on the history and development of the A-10 Thunderbolt affectionately known as the Warthog. A trawl through the various aviation web sites indicated that the only models currently available were either very small GWS foam types, a small combat models version or a large Turbine model made by Mobira in the States. Having acquired a copy of the basic design drawings, 1/6th scale would produce a 3m (9’ 10’) wing span, 2.8m (9’ 2”) fuselage, which would be in keeping with the size of models suitable for displays. The complete design was then evolved on the CAD program using the interlocking technique and presented to Ian Hull at SLEC to CNC all of the parts required for the model. The basic design being completed over a 6 week period to the following specification. Wing Span 3m Fuselage length 2.8m Wing Chord: 0.6m inner panels, Dihedral: 7° on outer panel to anti stall tips with 3° washout. Wing section: Semi-symmetrical with under camber Wing incidence: +2° Tail plane incidence 0° Ailerons: Differential 25° up, 15° down Split Ailerons: 60° up, 40° down Fowler Flaps 0 to 40° Slats: Inboard - for use at high angles of attack. Elevator: 45° up, 30° down Twin Rudders: ±45° Undercarriage: Retracts with 9” ground clearance Wheels: Main 5” (12.7 cm), Nose 3½” (8.9 cm) Information coming to us from ducted fan sources indicated that we would need a larger elevator than for an equivalent prop aircraft for this model. The geometry of the fans, wing and tail plan coupled with the overall balance would require fine tuning so a detailed C of G design and calculation was necessary. Jan’s recent article is spot on in this respect and the position can be very accurately projected. 36 E.F.-U.K. The overall weight of the model was set at a maximum of 12kg (26½ lb.) giving around 27 oz./sq.ft. (82 g/dm2) wing loading. At this design weight we needed a thrust to weight ratio of at least 0.5 to 0.6. This required the use of the latest technology for the fans, motors and batteries. Aeronaut had just had designed a new Turbo 4000 120mm fan which their tests showed would generate between 35 and 42N (7.9 to 9.4 lb.) of thrust. Discussions with their designer indicated that the best motor would be a Plettenberg 300/40/A2S 8-pole motor powered by either a 9S or 10S LiPo pack. Maximum current draw would be between 40 and 55A for take-off and then throttled back to under half for flight. Further discussions were had with Thunderpower in the States and we settled on their 5S3P 6000mAh packs for the batteries. We therefore had an available thrust of 70N+ (15+ lbs.) giving us the ratio we sought with a maximum flight time of around 15 mins. In this regard we are indebted to Gordon Tarling for his assistance with the manufacturers. Our past experience with the standard retract systems available suggested they were less than adequate for this model and we settled on the Eurokit Pro Line system which has proved very good indeed. In addition Tony at Unitracts made the oleos for us. The A-10 was designed to be highly manoeuvrable at low level and low speed with an apparent low speed take off. The design therefore reflected this criteria to demonstrate its low speed, low level, capabilities as we were not aiming at an F-15 flight envelope E.F.-U.K. 37 The aircraft was designed around an internal interlocking box structure into which all the equipment was fitted. The fuselage shape being conventionally constructed around it using balsa, liteply & birch ply with carbon reinforcing as required. The wing was made in three sections the inner which housed the retracts, Fowler flaps slats and bomb release gear, and two tip panels. The whole model was covered in 27 g/m2 (0.8 oz./sq.yd.) glass cloth from Cherbourg models our usual light and ding proof method and sprayed with matt enamel from Humbrol. The colour scheme to be international camouflage as per 81st TFW at Bentwaters. All metal servos are used throughout. The ailerons, split ailerons, elevator and rudder are Multiplex digital. The flaps, nose wheel steering and slats are Hitec HS85MG, and the bomb release, Supertec mini. The radio system used is a Futaba 9FC transmitter with 9ch PCM receiver with 2 x 1700mAh NiCd 6V batteries. The test flight was undertaken at RAF Honnington on a glorious sunny day with wind of 12 knots 30° off the main runway. We kept it on the runway for about 60m, to assess the ground speed and steering slight up elevator and off she came true scale. Like all large models with a large wing area she was very stable requiring very little control input to fly with a few small trim adjustments. After a few circuits we lined up on finals decreased the power and she virtually glided down the glide path. We used the split ailerons to slow her down on the runway, but we will fit some electro-brakes from Kavan in due course. We used 2.8Ah from the batteries for the test flight with a drop of just 0.3V per pack. Since the test flight we flew it at Bickley up the grass hill into a 20 knot wind and it lifted off in about the same distance. We met Klauss at the event and he advised on a mod to the ducting for the fans. We have adjusted the tail cone to give slightly less than the 90% swept area recommended and have increases the air pressure by around 15%. At the time of writing we have not retested but expect the straight line speed to have increased. For anybody contemplating a large electric model - please make it. They are a joy to fly and much easier than the small models 38 E.F.-U.K. The 3rd Annual PANDAS Electric Fly-In, 17th July 2005 (PANDAS = Pontefract and District Aeromodellers) by John Thompson This event is becoming more popular every year, and the hot weather brought out 33 flyers and a host of spectators. Trade support from Concept Models, FVK, RBC, plus Mugi was welcome, together with a couple of “car booters”, and all provided items for the raffle. Thanks Lads. In fact one well known trader, who was booked in at the NEC on that weekend, had asked me if we could change the date so he could attend. The new PANDAS tent was put to good use, this time to keep the sun out, and a free barbecue laid on by the good ladies Barbara and Kath under an awning for the same reason. Unusually for this site the grass had been cut short so take offs were easily accomplished. Club Chairman Trevor Jones booked in all the TXs and started the proceeding off with the usual warnings about flying on a site with public access. Most of the flyers had brought at least two models, and such a variation you would not see on the average IC meet. Several flying boats were searching for water, including a couple of twins, and unusually didn’t find any. Multi engines were in abundance, from a B36 down to a couple of Mosquitos, electrics make it so much easier with no asymmetric problems. Unknown Flying Boat E.F.-U.K. 39 A large Lancaster that took 1st in Scale Fun flyers large and small with big props were everywhere, cavorting and prop hanging in the light wind. The cross section was so vast it would be difficult to highlight individuals. With the calm conditions and hot sun we had ideal conditions for a good days flying and we made the most of it! With my lesser involvement in the running I was able to make seven flights with three models. Would have been four if an aileron servo had not stripped in transit. The event was so easy going that later the TX control was self-service and everyone waited their turn without a quibble. Second in scale, and in my opinion best model, was a superb Aichi Val from the American Skyhawk kit. Built and flown by David Muir of Harrogate. Adequately powered by a Twister 60 driving a 14” x 6” CAM propeller from 4 x 3200 Flightpower LiPo packs, it is finished in tissue and dope with David’s usual immaculate detailing. Pete Nicholson and Alan Wales did a synchronised take off with their Hangar 9 ARTF Mustangs, and put in an impressive flying display. Powered by AXi 4130/ 16s, they differed in that Alan used 20 x GP3300s while Pete had 6000 mAh LiPo to swing the 16” x 10” propellers. Alan’s had also been re-covered to an all silver finish and was placed 3rd in Scale. The highlight of this year for PANDAS Members was the Eric Johnson Trophy, a superb silver salver resting on a stand made by Pandas member Peter Waite. Eric is one of the founder members and over a few decades has probably taught dozens of modellers to fly. Unfortunately he has been in poor health for a while, and in fact was taken into hospital the day before for more tests, so was unable to attend. Gladly he is now out and about again. The award is in recognition of all 40 E.F.-U.K. Mark Haig’s Aichi Val - 2nd in Scale his efforts over the years and is for the best Pandas member at this event. Eric’s son Kevin kindly accepted the trophy, and presented it to Tony Waite for his immaculately built and flown electric conversion of a ‘Wot Four’. Awards of bottles of wine were made in the usual categories, though regrettably the corresponding certificates had gone missing. If the winners contact me, I will get duplicates sent on. All in all an excellent, easy-going, days flying. Pete Nicholson’s and Alan Wales’s Hangar 9 Mustangs E.F.-U.K. 41 Above is the Hangar 9 Mustang of Alan Wales Below is Pete Nicholson’s, Hangar 9, F4U Corsair 42 E.F.-U.K. Top is a model of the Cri Cri by Mark Haig Bottom, Tony Waite with the Eric Jhoston Trophy presented by Kevin Johnson (behind) E.F.-U.K. 43 Above: A line up of the Warbirds in attendance Below: The traders, spectators & control tent (with good separation) on a glorious day 44 E.F.-U.K. Some LiPo experiments by Peter Vivian As a complete newcomer to Electric Flight I found essential reading of opinions from books / articles etc., conflicting and confusing and I became convinced that I should carry out my own experiments with charging, using and re-charging of LiPo batteries. I used all Hi-Energy LiPo batteries from the same dealer, purchased the same day, one a 2S2P pack giving a nominal 7.4v and capacity of 4000mAh and the other, made up of identical cells, a 3S2P giving nominally 11.1v and 4000mAh. I labelled the cells of the 2S2P pack A, B, C, and D, whilst I labelled the 3S2P cells E, F, G, H, I, and J. Cells A and C were in series and in parallel with series pair B and D. Likewise Cells E, G and I were in series and in parallel with the series string of cells F, H and J. I connected C//D to E//F to give the series / parallel connections I required for a nominal 18.5v 4000mAh pack. Positive output of the battery was then of course taken from A//B and negative from I//J, as shown. I discharged at different rates running an AXi 4120/14 motor at different speeds for current drain and propeller experiments etc., and hence different currents between 8 and 32A were used until the motor stopped (Editor: hopefully using a suitable voltage cut-out to prevent damaging the cells). I did this 4 times, recharging the 7.4v battery and the 11.1v battery separately at 1C on a Mercury EX charger, Lithium setting. I checked the off-load voltage after each discharge and it varied between 16.8v and 17.3v. E.F.-U.K. 45 Some say that 3.0v per cell is said by some to be OK, others say 3.5v minimum so I should have obtained 15.0v by some standards (which I did) or 17.5v minimum according to others (which I did not), and hence according to some I had overdischarged apparently. (Editor: All the LiPo manufactures I’ve seen agree that the minimum off-load voltage is 3.0v/cell, I don’t know where the 3.5v/cell came from. They also agree that the minimum on-load is 2.5v/cell at the rated discharge, which should give 3.0v/cell once off-load). After the 4th set of experiments and hence four discharges and 3 charges I carried out the balance checks advocated by Andrew Gibb in his Lithium Battery book. This has to be done by disconnecting both the parallel connections at points X and Y and the series connector (above) then measuring each cell individually, and found the following: Measuring the cells open circuit i.e. off load, the 2S2P battery gave figures for individual cells: Cell A 3.11 v Cell B 3.44 v Cell C 3.13 v Cell D 3.43 v All OK by some standards, but a 10% difference is too great according to others. The 3S2P battery gave cell figures Cell E 3.60 v Cell F 3.56 v Cell G 3.56 v Cell H 3.56 v Cell I 3.58 v Cell J 3.57 v These latter were good, but why were these cells so different from Cells A, B, C and D when they were being used in series/parallel, all together at one time? (Editor: There will always be resistance and capacity differences between cells and series strings of cells. When packs are used in parallel the cells with the lowest resistance will discharge at a faster rate than those with higher resistance. Further higher capacity cells will have a higher terminal voltage as they have more remaining capacity. Thus you get differences in terminal voltage across each of the cells in a pack regardless of shape. Where packs are made of selected “matched” cells the differences will be much smaller and the problem are reduced). However, I recharged. I charged each cell of the 2S2P battery individually, at 1C in accordance with the book, and had the following results: Cell A 1515 3.1 4.15 Cell B 1715 2.1 4.15 Cell C 1674 2.8 4.15 Cell D 1741 2.2 4.15 mAh hours volts (Editor: I am amazed that it took 2.1+ hours to charge these cells at 1C. Even allowing for the ramp up in voltage, and the decline in charging current once the maximum voltage has been reached, I would expect a maximum charge duration nearer 1.5 hours. It looks more like you are charging at 1A and not 1C. Interesting that your cells are not getting to the normal 4.20v) 46 E.F.-U.K. After resting for 24 hours the individual cells gave: Cell A 4.06 v Cell B 4.08 v Cell C 4.08 v Cell D 4.08 v Excellent However, the 3S2P battery I re-charged in parallel pairs, again at 1C. This is a tricky operation requiring some considerable soldering experience and not to be undertaken lightly, the LiPo cells are very easily turned into scrap. In essence each pair of cells, E/F, G/H and I/J has to be electrically isolated from the other. The results were: Cells E+F 3504 4.0 4.15 Cell G+H 3487 4.0 4.15 Cell I+J 3482 4.0 4.15 mAh hours volts After resting for 24 hours the individual cells gave: Cell E 4.09 v Cell F 4.09 v Cell G 4.08 v Cell H 4.09 v Cell I 4.08 v Cell J 4.08 v (This operation is much simplified if the packs are soldered in a more suitable pattern to start and balancing leads are soldered to each cell terminal and then fitted to an appropriate connector. Most LiPo cells are now supplied with balancing leads which saves that effort. For balancing leads to function correctly the cells must be wired in parallel first and then in series as shown.) So, finally a maximum variation over the 10 cells of 0.03v, some 0.7%, satisfactory I think but note that of the cells of battery 2S2P the Cells A and C took much longer to re-charge - because they started off at a much lower voltage presumably. But how did those cells get so much lower when in use with 8 other cells? I can only think that they were different as supplied perhaps? Remember, the 3S2P cells were re-charged in parallel pairs so should take twice as long - they took a bit less actually (Editor: If charged at 1C they should take the same time as when not connected in parallel. Remember 1C for a 4000mAh pack is 4A. BEFA advises that a maximum of 0.75C (3A in this case) should be used when charging paralleled packs as there will be differences between the individual cells). E.F.-U.K. 47 Next, I ran the AXi motor at a steady 5250 rpm with a 12” x 10” propeller (50 mph equivalent) and it drew 11A (just under 3C). After about 15 minutes the speed and current dropped a little, 10A & 5000 rpm (presumably the voltage fell off) so I raised rpm back to 5250, which again drew 11A. I had to throttle up slightly every half-minute or so in order to maintain 5250 rpm and 11A and after 20 minutes the motor stopped. This was equivalent to 3667 mAh, about 90% of nominal - pretty good I think. (Editor: New Kokam cells typically deliver 100% capacity at cut-off) After cooling the pack for ~5 hours I separated the cells and checked them off-load: Cell A 2.71 v Cell B 3.07 v Cell C 2.89 v Cell D 2.80 v Cell E 3.53 v Cell F 3.49 v Cell G 3.34 v Cell H 3.47 v Cell I 3.42 v Cell J 3.48 v Wow, all the experts tell me never to discharge to below 3 volts or even higher!! (Editor: The reason for the limit is that the cells can be permanent damaged when discharged to too low a voltage. You may not notice immediate problems, but it is likely that the cell capacity may reduce because of this.) Now, A, B, C, and D make up the 2S2P, 7.4v, battery and the others make up the 11.1v battery. Why did the 2S2P battery discharge to such a low level, a dangerously low level? How was it possible? (Editor: As I commented earlier this is probable due to differences in capacity (C) of the cells being used despite them being marked the same. Cells from different batches can be considerably different in actual C value. The problem could be being masked by having 2 lower C cells and 3 higher C cells. The lower C cells are exhausted, with voltage dropping fast, but the higher C cells still have charge and maintain a high voltage. The controller only sees the total voltage which is being “propped up” by the higher C cells. The best way to check is to charge and then discharge the cells individually. This will show the true C of the cells (at that discharge current) and they can be assessed without the associated issues) Anyway, I recharged them all in parallel pairs and obtained the following data Cells A+B Cells C+D 3450 3626 5.5 4.0 4.15 4.15 Cells E+F 3539 3.7 4.15 Cell G+H 3608 3.5 4.15 Cell I+J 3621 4.0 4.15 mAh hours volts However, after over-night resting and separating the cells I checked each one individually and had the following results: 48 Cell A 4.08 v Cell B 4.09 v Cell C 3.97 v Cell D 4.09 v Cell E 4.09 v Cell F 4.08 v Cell G 4.09 v Cell H 4.09 v E.F.-U.K. Cell I 4.09 v Cell J 4.09 v So cell C was very much the odd one out. However, I recharged just that one and it took 95 mAh and ended up giving 4.08v the next day. Interesting to note that the A//B pair took by far the longest to charge up and took in far less Ah. Is there a problem with cell C? Higher than usual internal resistance perhaps? They were all brand new. If I had not bothered to check individual cells, if I had just recharged as I had with the first 4 discharge cycles because some "experts" tell me that to discharge to no lower than 3.0v per cell is OK, i.e. 15volts from 5S2P, I could have been another LiPo statistic. One of the most important results of these experiments is that after a theoretical 20 minute flight it took in total 21 hours to totally recharge the battery to a strictly correct balanced standard for LiPo cells, not the about 2 hours some "experts" tell you. Not the way to get plenty of flying time unless you spend a lot of money on very many battery sets - at about £150 a throw. (Editor: Using a correctly wired pack and a balancing charger (or balancing circuit of some kind) the charge time is no longer than a conventional charge, i.e. about 90 minutes. There are several suppliers that make dedicated LiPo balancing chargers, but these are relatively expensive as they are dedicated. The cheaper option is a LiPo balancer that is connected whilst using any LiPo charger. These limit the voltage across each cells ensuring that they all get to the same 4.20v at the end of charging. Currently I know of units by Orbit and Thunder Power, but there may be more units out there, I sure there will be soon if not now.) Now, if I change to NiMH then I understand from Andrew's writings, if I interpret them correctly, that I can re-charge an 18v battery in one hit in about 1½ - 2 hours. More weight, more bulk, but a lot less money so 2 or 3 packs would not be unreasonable, and a lot safer and less complex - as long as I can fit them in the aircraft! And it is said that a bit of voltage out-of-balance is not too serious. True? Probably. What do you think? But, the LiPo can run at 5C with no problems and 10C in short bursts. Generally NiMh appear to run about 4C maximum for continuous running, and only then if they are Hi-Drain type (how do you recognise these?) (Editor: You can buy 5S2P Kokam 2000mAh 15C cells for around £137 (www.islandrc.co.uk), where 18 GP 3700 cells will cost £108 from Overlander. The LiPo pack is more expensive but you get slightly more capacity and they are rated as 15S (30A) continuous and 20C (40A) peak, or 60A/80A for 2P. You can charge NiMH cells in under an hour, but it is best to charge them more slowly. At 1C a LiPo should be charged in 1.5 hours so not a huge saving there. GP3700 cells are equivalent to NiCd cells up to around 40A (~10C), not much different to LiPo. The difference is that GP3700s don’t mind you taking 200A in small doses.) Any comments anyone cares to make (to Peter on 01276 21 304 or [email protected]) would be appreciated but, based upon years of ignorance, it would appear to me that NiMH is the way to go. Cheaper, more forgiving - but double the weight! E.F.-U.K. 49 TLC from your TLO by Alan Bedingham I’ve got several things to talk about this time, one of them quite technical I’m afraid, but then I am the TLO aren’t I? Battery Storage I talked about this last time, the difference is that now I can relate from personal experience because I’ve done no flying at all from September last year till June this year as a result of a combination of bad weather and poor health keeping me away from the flying field. So how did my batteries stand up to this long period of idleness? The NiCd flight packs were fine. They were stored discharged in a warm room and took nearly a full charge straight away. Half a dozen flights later and they’re back to their usual capacity. The NiCds in my transmitter were stored nearly fully charged and still showed a reasonable voltage when I turned the transmitter on. I ran them through 3 discharge/charge cycles on my Schulze and they were down to half their rated capacity. Not good. I should tell you that these are AA size Sanyo KR1100AAUs that I’ve had for at least 3 years, probably the best NiCd in terms of capacity you can get for their size and ideally suited to transmitters. I didn’t want to just throw them away unless they were completely done for, (yeah, I know, tight as a duck’s ….) so I tried a trickle charge of 100 mA for 14 hours to try to get all the cells in the pack at the same state of charge. A discharge now showed 0.9Ah, nearly back to normal. Running 3 discharge/charge cycles again brought them consistently up to just above 1Ah, almost as good as new. Winner! There’s three lessons here :1) Always discharge NiCd packs before long term storage. 2) Don’t give up on a pack that seems to have died, try trickle charging it to level the cells out. 3) A charger that can discharge as well as charge is well worth buying. I discharge my flight packs when I get home from flying as a matter of routine. All my NiMH packs died, generally by losing most of their capacity. Nothing I tried would revive them, even dumping very high currents into them from a capacitor just in case crystals (called dendrites by the way, lovely word isn’t it?) had grown between the plates. I’m no longer a member of the NiMH fan club. The LiPo pack had been fully charged before storage. I put it on the charger and it put 200mAh into the 1500mAh pack, that’s only a 13% loss of charge in 10 months! Amazing. Now I recharge the pack when I get back home from flying 50 E.F.-U.K. knowing that it won’t need to be topped up even if I don’t fly for a week or two. This is just the opposite to what I’m used to with NiCd cells, they seem to self discharge quite quickly. The lead-acid car battery I use for field charging seemed low on voltage even though I’d religiously given it a top up charge every fortnight. It still had a few months of the four year warranty left, so, nothing ventured, nothing gained, I took it back to the supplier. He called out the Rep. who took it away for testing. A couple of days later I got a ‘phone call, the manufacturer had found one cell down and would I like to come in and collect the brand new replacement they’d left for me. Another winner! Mind you, it’s a bit optimistic to expect a lead acid to last 4 years given the way we treat them, 2 years is good, anything more is a bonus. This all bears out what I was saying last time about battery storage, the only new information is that, based on a sample of one, it looks like storing LiPo fully charged isn’t a problem. Brushless Motors Talking to people, I get the impression that there is some confusion about the advantages and disadvantages of brushless motors in their various forms versus brushed motors so I thought it might be a good idea to run through all the motor types for you, starting with the typical ferrite ‘can’ motor like a Speed 400 or 600. They’re called can motors because the casing is pressed out of steel the same way that a tin can is. Ferrite because the magnets are made of sintered ferrite. This is an iron based powder bashed together in a mould – sintered. This makes them very cheap to manufacture, you can get a Speed 400 for around £4 which is less than two pints of beer — at least around here it is! They’re made in millions for use in cars and power tools and hairdryers and such. The bad news is that the magnet material isn’t very powerful so they only get good efficiencies if they run at high speed. The brushgear is a bit wimpy for the sort of currents we like to use and wears rapidly. We tend to run them direct drive at quite low speeds so the efficiency is usually in the 50-60% range. The next step up is to use better, more powerful magnets, either Samarium Cobalt or, more commonly nowadays, Neodymium, both called ‘rare earth’. The motors available to us using these magnets are usually designed specifically for our use with machined cases, ball raced shafts and big, chunky brush gear. They cost more but you gain durability and, due to the stronger magnets, much better efficiency at low revs, easily reaching 75-80%. Up again to the standard brushless motors that turn the whole design inside out. The magnets are now on the rotating shaft and the windings are stationary inside the casing. The brushgear is replaced by complex electronics inside the speed controller that does the switching of the coils to make the magnets on the shaft rotate. Cooling is very good with this layout, allowing relatively small motors to E.F.-U.K. 51 take high currents and produce high power compared even to a brushed rare earth motor. The bad news is that they often need a gearbox to get enough torque to swing a reasonable size propeller, somewhat reducing the weight advantage. Efficiencies can go to 90%, reduced a bit by the gearbox losses. A bunch of clever people in Germany decided that what they needed was a brushless motor that didn’t need a gearbox and so the outrunner motor was born. What they did was to leave the magnets on the shaft but put them outside the coils to get more torque and use more of them to reduce the running speed, a sort of electromagnetic gearbox. It turned out that cooling wasn’t a problem, so very small and light motors could produce quite high power outputs. The bad news was that efficiencies were not as good as a standard ‘inrunner’ brushless and gearbox, in the 75-80% range, but this is offset by the low weight. In short, if you want cheap, go for a ferrite can motor. For not a lot more and a significant gain in efficiency and durability, get a brushed rare earth motor. For the ultimate in efficiency get a geared brushless which will cost a lot more because of the gearbox and the complex speed controller. For really light weight and reasonable efficiency get an outrunner, a bit cheaper than a standard brushless motor. The cost argument is relevant because I often talk to people who want to dip their toes in the water and replace a Speed 400 with a brushless. This is really not a sensible thing to do, you’re going to spend nearly a hundred quid to get a little plane to fly a bit better for what is really quite a lot of money. It’s far more sensible to spend the money buying a bigger brushless for a bigger ‘plane since the cost difference between little brushless motors and big ones isn’t that much. If you want to make your Speed 400 size ‘plane fly better, get a brushed rare earth motor. Glitch Busting I know I’ve been through this before and you’re all probably yawning by now, but I still get queries regularly on this subject, so it might be worth repeating for the newcomers amongst us. We electric fliers are worse off than the oily fan drivers simply because we’re carrying around our own personal interference sources in the ‘plane and they won’t go away. I’m talking about motors, speed controllers and battery wiring. Suppression can help here on brushed motors - make sure you fit capacitors to the terminals. In general, any capacitor is better than none, but I use a set of values that apparently are optimum for suppression at 35MHz. They are 0.47 mF (marked 474, Maplin part no RA52G) across the terminals and .047 mF (marked 473, Maplin part no RA47D) from the terminals to the can. The 10:1 ratio is important as is the type of capacitor — they need to work well at high frequencies for best results. Most good brushed rare earth motors will have them fitted already, usually on a little PCB inside the case. 52 E.F.-U.K. Speed controllers are less obvious. All speed controllers nowadays have some sort of computer in them running at several MHz and that produces high frequency (electrical) noise. Not only that, they’re busily chopping up the high motor current into square waves that are notorious for producing high frequency noise. This applies to brushed and brushless controllers with, if anything, the brushless controllers being the worst, at least a brushed controller on full throttle doesn’t have to do any chopping of the motor current. Brushless outrunners are particularly bad, the controllers have to run at very high frequencies. This noise can easily be in the same band as we’re using for the radio link, and to cap it all, the wires going to the motor and the battery make pretty good antennas. The further away you can get the receiver from the noise, the better. The best possible layout is, from the front of the ’plane :Motor Speed Controller Flight Battery Servos Receiver and it’s battery My battery packs always have very short (20-30mm) leads, not the usual 100150mm they’re generally supplied with. Two reasons – one, the less the tangle of wiring , the less the electrical noise – two, if you’re using gold bullet connectors, it’s possible, if you’re distracted, or a bit careless, to connect the two battery connectors to each other. The first hint will be the smell of burning fingers as the battery does it’s best to turn it’s wires into electric fire elements, the second will be the cells themselves exploding. What’s really nasty about this scenario is that by the time you’ve realised what you’ve done, the wires are glowing red hot and there’s no way you can pull them apart again! All you can do is watch as your beloved toy gets destroyed. It sounds unlikely but, I can assure you, it has happened! While I’m talking about connectors, those dreadful Tamiya connectors that battery packs always seem to be supplied with can cause problems too. They seem to lose conductivity in a surprisingly short time and get in a state where they look all right but are only making intermittent contact. You can imagine the sort of glitches this can cause if you’re using the speed controller’s BEC to power the receiver! What happens if you’ve done all these good things and you still get glitches? Well, it happened to me! The ‘plane is a Vermont Belle with an AXi 2820/10 outrunner and a Jeti speed controller on eight cells drawing around 38A. Every now and then I would get an E.F.-U.K. 53 almighty glitch, all controls slamming to the end stops for a fraction of a second, more common was a slight twitch, not enough to worry about. Clearly this couldn’t go on, that major glitch might happen when the ‘plane was in a position to cause damage to property, or worse, people. The equipment layout was good, the receiver was a high quality JR R700, where to go next? First suspect was the BEC output from the controller. I hooked up an oscilloscope to the BEC output and got clean DC with not a trace of ripple at all motor speeds. Hmm, must be airborne RF noise. Let’s try putting ferrite rings on the input and output of the speed controller and wrapping it in aluminium foil to make a Faraday cage. That didn’t work either. I’d heard good reports of the Schulze Alpha receivers, so I bought one. They have a signal processing circuit that replaces a dodgy pulse train with the last good one, a bit like the way PCM receivers work. Put it in and set the antenna up as recommended with half in the ‘plane and half hanging free underneath. It seemed better, but I could feel an odd effect when I was flying. It’s hard to describe, the nearest I can get is a sort of ratcheting feel to the controls as the receiver replaced the signal I was sending with the one before. Obviously the interference was still getting through and the Schulze was trying it’s hardest to help me out, but I really didn’t like the feel of the aeroplane any more. Then the penny dropped. I’d had big problems with my Pondside flying boat that has a really dreadful equipment layout and I’d solved that by fitting a vertical whip antenna using a piece of plastic tube with the receiver antenna running up it. Fitted one to the Vermont Belle and put the JR receiver back in and all I got was minor glitches and the ‘plane now felt fine. One of my oily fan friends (who used to be a BT engineer) noticed it and asked me why I’d done it. I explained and he the told me that even the oily fan drivers got random glitches in some parts of the field. Pardon? It turns out that our field lies between two mobile ‘phone masts and when they talked to each other certain parts of the field were hit by quite powerful signals that swamped our signals even though they’re way off our frequencies. The Vermont Belle suffered badly because it had a particularly noisy installation due to the outrunner motor. All that grief caused by people saying ‘I’m on the train’! Ah well, more lessons learned! Cubic Wing Loading I’ve heard of this before but not really dug into it much until an article in The Ampeer Flier reminded me. It’s a way of estimating how well an aeroplane will fly that is independent of size, unlike wing loading. 54 E.F.-U.K. Wing loading is the weight of the aeroplane divided by the wing area and is generally thought of in ounces per square foot – at least it is if you’re as grey haired as me! The trouble is that the optimum wing loading varies with the size of the ‘plane, varying with Reynolds number and scale effects. The idea of cubic wing loading (CWL) is to give a number that is independent of size and therefore can be a useful way to estimate if your next project is going to be a lead sled or not. The calculation is simple if you’ve got a scientific calculator – divide the weight of the ‘plane in ounces by the wing area in square feet raised to the power of 1.5 (might be easier to cube it and then take the square root (Sqrt)). The answer is a number that should be between 7 and 20 for the ‘plane to fly well, low numbers for floaters, high numbers for something closer to a lead sled. CWL = Weight (Wing Area)1.5 Some examples :A full size Cessna 154 has a CWL of 13 but a wing loading of 167 oz./sq.ft. A scale model with a wing loading of 167 oz./sq.ft. would not fly very well! My Vermont Belle is very light for it’s size so let’s see what we get. Wing area is 565 sq. in. – divide by 144 ad we get 3.92 sq.ft. Cube this and take the Sqrt and we get 7.76, divide this by the weight of 50 oz. and we get a CWL of 6.44, a very low number – very similar to my 2.5m Silent Dream glider. The wing loading of the Vermont Belle is 12.7 oz./sq.ft., the Silent Dream is 14.2 oz./sq.ft., quite different really, but the similarity of CWLs suggest that they should feel as light as each other in the air, and they do. My Bristol M1C came out heavier than I’d like, carrying out the same calculation gives a CWL of 12.5, comfortable, but could be lighter. The wing loading is 26.6 oz./sq.ft. These are very different ‘planes which would be hard to compare using any other criteria, I feel this concept has some merit, what do you think? Don’t let the smoke out! Editors comment I have been using this system for quite a while, although calling it Wing Cube Loading (WCL), and I think it works extremely well. I even produced an online WCL calculator that is available on my personal website. It is as simple as entering the wing area (sq.in.) and weight (oz.) and clicking the calculate button. It then displays the metric wing area and weight, wing loading and WCL. Try it at www.ef-uk.net/data/wcl.htm There is an article written by Bob Boucher on Understanding Scale Speed, which is interesting and explains how to get a scale model to flying like the full size. E.F.-U.K. 55 It is available on the Astroflight website (www.astroflight.com) under Articles on Electric Flight and then Understanding Scale Speed. The ratios, relevant here, that Bob Boucher recommends are: Model Weight = (Full Size Weight) Scale3 Model Wing Loading = (Full Size Wing Loading) Scale The above doesn’t include the WCL and it is not referred to in the article. However, if you’re fair at mathematics you’ll be able to demonstrate that the scale factors (for weight and wing area) above result in the same WCL for full size and model. As always there are a exceptions to any rule. The main exceptions are Fighter aircraft and modern jets. To illustrate the full size Hawker Sea Fury has a wing span of 38’ 5”, an area of 280 sq.ft., a max mass of 12500 lbs and 2480 hp. This gives a WCL of 42.7 (ouch!). Using the above for a 1/10th scale we have 46” span, wing area of 403.2 sq. in., a weight of 200 oz. (12.5 lbs.), giving a wing loading of 71.46 oz./sq.ft. and need 0.78 hp (585W). If the model was built to the above it would give a model with a flying speed that appears scale. The full size Sea Fury has a stall speed of 105 knots, clean, at 12500 lbs. This would be 33 knots for the 1/10 scale model and certainly a challenging hand launch. With scale power the model’s take-off run would also be scale - can you live with a take-off run that is 100m+ long? Bob Boucher recommends that aircraft with very high WCL values are built to around half the scale weight and power figures determined above. For my example this gives a weight of 6¼ lb. and a power of ~300W. This would give a wing loading of 35.7 oz./sq.ft and WCL of 21.3, which is much more sensible. This is more what would expect for this size of model (although the weight could still be reduced). I hand launch my Easy-Jet which has a WCL of 20.5, however, in calm conditions it can be very marginal. I’ve produced a couple of graphs with WCL values for full size and model aircraft to show the range of figures that are common. My recommendations are: For scale models aim for the original models WCL value. Where the WCL is excessive, reduce the weight and power required by half and an acceptable WCL is should be achieved (perhaps reduce to 1/4 for a Sea Harrier). For hand launching avoid a WCL much above 15. For non-scale models, the guideline WCL figures that I work to are: Gliders under 4, Powered Sailplanes & Trainers 6 to 7, Aerobatic 9 to 10, Scale-like 12 to 13 and Racers can be 15 and over. 56 E.F.-U.K. E.F.-U.K. 57 58 E.F.-U.K. E.F.-U.K. 59 Electric Flight Calendar If you would like details of your event to appear in these pages please send full details to the Editor EF-UK, contact details on page 4. Please bear in mind that this magazine is quarterly so ensure that the details are sent in good time. For last minute information on events please check out the events list on the BEFA website (www.befa.org.uk). Dates, times and, even, locations of events can change at the last minute. You are strongly advised to check on events with the given contacts before setting out on your journey to any event. All BEFA flying events require proof of BMFA (or equivalent) insurance and an ‘A’ Certificate to fly. For fixed wing models, any of the fixed wing ‘A’ certificates are acceptable. For helicopters, a helicopter ‘A’ certificate is required. All flying models must have been satisfactorily flown at least twice since build or repairs before flying at a BEFA event. NO TEST FLIGHTS ON THE DAY. October 2005 2nd Unlimited Scale Competition at the Pontefract and District Aeromodellers flying site, Pontefract Racecourse, Pontefract Park Junction 32 of the M62, Yorkshire. F4C flying schedule, low-key static element. Contact Philip S Kent on 01274 873 069. 15th BMFA Northern Area Indoor RC Flying at the Garforth Squash & Leisure Centre, Ninelands Lane, Leeds, LS25 - off the A63 LeedsSelby Road. Flying from 2pm to 5pm. Separate slots for Slowfly, Aerobatic, Scale and Helicopters. Sub 350 and equivalent brushless motors only. Any legal frequency. Proof of BMFA membership essential. No free flight or IC. Spectators £1 on balcony Pilots £5.00 (Juniors £2.00). Contact John Thompson on telephone 01924 515 595, email him at [email protected] or see the Northern Area website http://members.aol.com/bmfanorth November 2005 6th 60 BEFA Technical Workshop at the Royal Spa Centre, Royal Leamington Spa, Warwickshire. The doors will open for traders to set-up their stands at 8am, with the doors opening to the public at 9.30am. All the usual features: Technical Presentations. The talks are still being finalised, keep an eye on the website (www.befa.org.uk) for more details. Any traders wishing to attend that have not received an invitation should contact the Secretary, Peter Turner (see page 4), for details and to reserve your free tables. E.F.-U.K. Traders’ Fair. The list of traders is being prepared - see the website for the latest list. Confirmed to date are All Electric RC, Elston Models, ImporTekniK, Inwood Models, ModelPower.co.uk, Phoenix Models, Puffin Models & RobotBirds. Bring & Buy Stall. As usual the Bring & Buy stall will be set-up in the Foyer. Items can be registered and left at the stand from 9.00am, but trading starts only once the main doors open. If selling items please complete a copy of the registration form overleaf. Please do not complete a separate form for each item, although multiple forms can be used if more space is needed. It is also essential that items are labelled with a minimum of your name & the asking price. Raffle. The committee will be asking traders for raffle prizes as normal. The draw will take place prior to the last technical talk. Tickets. The ticket prices for the Technical Workshop have remained the same as for 2004: £6 in advance* £8 at the door Mail orders for advance tickets must include an SAE for return of the tickets. Please also include a contact telephone number in case of queries. Requests should be mailed with a cheque, payable to B.E.F.A., to: TWS Tickets, 111 Plantagenet Chase, Yeovil, BA20 2PR Alternatively advance tickets may be purchased from the BEFA website at www.befa.org.uk/tws.htm using PayPal. Alternative online payments methods are available, contact the Editor for details. (*When purchasing online there will be an additional charge of 15p per ticket and handling fee of 55p per order added to the cost of the tickets. This is due to the fees payable to PayPal and to cover postage of tickets) . Ticket orders received before 30 October 2005 will be posted. After that date the tickets will be available for collection at the door as otherwise they may not arrive on time. Any questions on ticketing should be made to the Editor (see page 4). 19th BMFA Northern Area Indoor RC Flying at the Garforth Squash & Leisure Centre. See October 15th for details. December 2005 10th BMFA Northern Area Indoor RC Flying at the Garforth Squash & Leisure Centre. See October 15th for details. January 2006 15th BMFA Northern Area Indoor RC Flying at the Garforth Squash & Leisure Centre. See October 15th for details. E.F.-U.K. 61 62 E.F.-U.K. February 2006 19th BMFA Northern Area Indoor RC Flying at the Garforth Squash & Leisure Centre. See October 15th for details. March 2006 19th BMFA Northern Area Indoor RC Flying at the Garforth Squash & Leisure Centre. See October 15th for details. July 2006 2nd Ebor Silent Flight meeting on the York Racecourse. 9th Chester "Roodee" Electric Fly-In (date changed to avoid Ebor event) FOR SALE / WANTED Member's Sales & Wants For Sale by Ken Paulson. For more information contact Ken on 01332 881 584. • Futaba FF8 Transmitter with manual, carry case & neck strap all in very good condition, price £120. • Graupner Speed 600 7.2V with Kruse Synchro-Gear belt drive 2.25:1, Teutonic Perfection - £25 • Master Airscrew gearbox with 7.2v 600 motor, only £10 Neil Stainton is selling the following items. All are plus postage or can be picked up from Leamington Spa. Contact Neil Stainton on 01926 314 011 or email him at [email protected] • Schulze 6-636+ 8A charger for 1-36 NiCd / NiMH cells & 1-11 LiPo cells. V8 software: £179 • New Blade Runner indoor helicopter, including 27Mhz R/C, LiPo battery & charger: £49 • • • • Hornet Helicopter FP VGC, with carbon blades: £35 GWS PG03 gyro: £19 Blue Arrow 4.3g servos, new, boxed £8.95 each Blue Bird 3.4g quality micro servos with coreless motor £11.95 each Dennis Hey is selling CD-ROM motors £ 2.00 each, or 2 for £3.00, postage included. Contact him at [email protected] or 01943 862 761. E.F.-U.K. 63 Wanted: A Mini Laser 3D kit preferably not started, but a built model in good condition also considered. Contact Gareth Hodges on 01873 830 808 or email him at [email protected] Neil Stainton wants a Highlight Electric Fuselage, any condition. Contact Neil at [email protected] or on 01926 314 011 Gareth Hodges wants a Hacker B20-15L and 4:1 Gearbox, must be in good condition. Call Martin on 01873 830 808 or at [email protected] For Sale by Martin Collins. Call 01908 583 545 or email [email protected]. Can be collected from Milton Keynes • KYOSHO T-33 in Thunderbirds aerobatic colours. Comes with the motor & fan unit installed (I was told it was a WeMoTec fan but I cannot confirm it). Good condition apart from a couple of missing decals. Price £60 (no offers). • RIPMAX ARTF SPITFIRE fitted with AXi 28/ 20/10 and model motors brushless controller. The Spitfire has 2 mini servos in it (aileron/ elevator) and comes with an 8 cell 2400 Sanyo pack and 11" x 7" propeller. Just fit your receiver to make it a flyer, selling due to house move and other projects it has only 6 flights from new on it, price is £200 The items below are for sale by Trevor Wain, contact at [email protected] or on 01332 792 508. • Puffin Models Elegant, 2.6m glider / electric glider. Flown twice, but other interests took over - no equipment fitted. Offers around £100. • Kontronik Smile 40-6-18 opto, brushless, speed controller, 40A 624V with Kontronik 4mm silver connectors on the output and Schulze 3.5mm connectors on the input and has been used twice. He would like to exchange for the same or very similar with BEC or sell for £65. Jim Horne has a WeMoTec Midi-fan with Aveox 36/24/2 sensorless brushless motor for sale - £70. Email Jim at [email protected] or phone 01388 819 638 Peter Vivian would like to contact any others in his approximate area (Camberley, Surrey) who are also new to Electric Flying, with a view to mutual assistance and support. Peter returned to model aircraft fairly recently after a 55-year break, with an interest mainly in building and experimenting (definitely NOT ARTF!). He would like to meet up with others having similar interests. Contact Peter by email at [email protected] or on 01276 21 304 64 E.F.-U.K. New to ELECTRIC FLIGHT? START HERE . . . . . You may be taking up Electric Flight for the first time or you may be converting from another discipline. Whatever your situation, help and advice is available. BEFA has prepared an information sheet which details further sources of information which you may find useful when just joining the hobby. To receive a copy, please send a Stamped Addressed Envelope (S.A.E.) to Robert Mahoney, address on page 4. BEGINNER'S GUIDE A Beginner’s Guide to Electric Flight is available, which explains many of the ‘Mysteries' of Electrics’ and will, hopefully, set you off on the right foot. Please send £3.00 per copy required to The Editor of EF-UK at the address on page 4. Please add £1.00 extra for overseas postage and remit in Sterling. Cheques should be made payable to BEFA. TECHNICAL HELP SERVICE Technical help is now available again for the use of all members. 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