GLHS OHP #96-17, Uncles Project Edd Dundas Page 1

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GLHS OHP #96-17, Uncles Project
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Edd Dundas
Oh, they're must less too?
of the Oral History Project of GLHSNC
Yeah. I think most films I go to now are $3.50
3 973 Market Street, #400
3 or $4.50 and a full fare - it's a Student Slash
4 San Francisco, CA 94103
4 Senior, Seven dollars, $7.50 for a movie.
5 Telephone (415) 777-5455, #1
5 JD: What about, going back to Salt Lake City, and
6 Interview with Edd Dundas
6 about your family. Tell a little bit about your
7 Date of Birth: 1929
7 family: brothers and sisters, your parents and that
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8 sort of thing. What was life like? Now long did you
9 By Jim Duggins, 2 Tapes
9 stay in Salt Lake City?
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10 ED: We escaped when I was fifteen.
11 ISI:ooo-099 = Tape One, Side One, Counter 000-099 11 JD: Refugees (laughs) (inaudible). So you've got a
12 IS2:ooo-099 = Tape One, Side Two, Counter 000-099 12 lot, you still remember, have a lot of memories. It
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13 wasn't like you were sprinted away in a blanket.
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14 ED: No, no, nothing, not hidden away or taken out by
15 JD: This is May 28, 1996, and we're interview Edd
15 the cloak of night. I have a ten-year-old sister, no
16 Dundas. I guest, you know, one of the things, let's
16 brothers. It's hard, I suppose it's like the fish
17 start from the beginning, where were you born and
17 knowing he's in water. It's hard for me to remember
18 when?
18 if! was different or if anything was special. I
19 ED: I was born in Salt Lake City, Utah, 1929.
19 think I had a, I guess I had a, by today's standards,
20 JD: Which makes you how old now.
20 a privileged upbringing. I was an only child for ten
21 ED: Makes me 66 and a half, if you count months.
21 years and we didn't have a lot of money but you didn't
22 JD: A year and a half into senior savings.
22 need a lot of money. I went a good school and I had a
23 ED: Into thirty-five cent fares on the Muni. What a
23 wonderful extended family and we had a big front yard
24 savings, what a savings. And Three Dollars and Fifty 24 and had friends on the block or around the corner, up
25 Cent movies.
25 the street. As I think back on it, I see young people
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Salt Lake City was a small city then. We'd almost
considered it suburban or rural now. Compared to my
4 upbringing and today, I don't think I would have done
5 very well if I were buffeted around in today's
6 environment. That's hard, that's only a speculation.
7 So I feel privileged that I had a lot of the benefits
8 or at least the stresses were absent. I think, while
9 I didn't have a silver spoon in my mouth, the stresses
10 of today were absent, and I appreciate - I guess I
11 would trade being younger because I think I have lived
12 in a very good time, and I've had a great deal of help
13 from people in my life. I really appreciate that. I
14 have not been abused, I have not been neglected, I was
15 not stigmatized and even once in the early '80s, I
16 think I was walking down Market Street nearCastro and
17 somebody in a car - I was with Artie Breslin and
18 somebody else, and somebody threw some plums at us,
19 just hit our feet. And I thought at that time, well
20 that's interesting. Some people are so abused and so
21 picked on and picked out, and I never had been.
22 That's the first time that anybody had ever done
23 anything that I would consider aggressive. So I, you
24 know, I've lived almost a saintly life.
25 JD: You lived in a house?
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1 ED: We lived in a house, we had our own house, yeah.
And what did your father do?
He was a contractor. His father was a contractor
4 and his grandfather was a contractor. They built
5 bridges, roads. My father built the first FHA home in
6 Utah. It was an experiment in the '30s.
7 JD: How the State of Utah go for FHA?
8 ED: It must have seemed like a good idea at the time.
9 JD: Because it's so un-Mormon (laughs). That's what
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11 ED: It may have been the last too. He built one.
12 But I heard they tore it down five years ago and so it
13 lasted fifty years.
14 JD: They tore it down? Why, they wanted the land?
15 ED: The land was so valuable.
16 JD: Oh. My father was a contractor too. He built
17 schools and colleges.
18 ED: Oh, specialized in that.
19 JD: He did railroads during .the WPA days and that
20 sort of thing, but then after the war, he did, I don't
21 know how he fell into a large firm, or several large
22 firms, and he particularly - I guess because he was a
23 charming Irishman and could along with school people,
24 and most contractors couldn't (laughs).
25 ED: I would have like that, building schools. It
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would be a nice thing.
JD: Well, there were a lot of schools, I mean, like
the (inaudible) School of Journalism at Northwestern,
and big hunks of
ED: Your were in Illinois?
JD: Yeah, in Phoenix, well when he died he was doing
a high school in Nogales and a high school in Tucson
and a new biology wing at Arizona State. So, you
know, he did that always. But what I'm sharing with
you is having grown up in that kind of household,
which is rather different from most. I mean, so you
can at least ED: Yeah, I appreciate it.
JD: A contractor's world was a contractor's world.
ED: My mother was always an artist, although she
didn't do much until my sister was born or while or,
yeah, after my sister was born. But she was artistic
and I think my father was creative and
entrepreneurial, had his, usually had his own company.
So I think that was a good influence on me.
JD: What media was your mother's.
ED: Painter. All the paintings you see in this house
are my mother's.
JD: Oh, really?
ED: Yeah, she was a marvelous artist. You must see
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Did she have that as an educational background?
No, but she was a good artist.
JD: Did she go to school?
ED: No, just high school.
JD: How about your father?
ED: School? Went to a business school, Presbyterian
Business School, in Salt Lake, I think, for two years,
after high school. But he grew up in the construction
business and so I think his career was fairly well
planned since everyone in the family had kind of
stayed in the business. So my cousins are still doing
that in Utah.
JD: And you did?
ED: When I finished high school, my last year of high
school, I got a part-time job in an architect's office
doing tracings. Now, of course, that's all done by
copiers or computers but I did tracings and I liked it
a lot.
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And so I thought oh well, well I'm not sure that I had
this chain of thought, but I thought oh, I like this
so I'll go to engineering school because I thought my
interest was in the home that I was tracing. And I
think what my interest was in was the artwork and the
graphics and the creativity. So I went one semester
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the gallery as you go out.
JD: I will. I'll look again.
ED: This is hers. That's hers.
JD: Oh neat. And they're ah ED: Oils.
JD: And that, by that I mean, for what years?
ED: Well, she painted one in 1917. I have it in
storage right now. That was her first. Then she
didn't do much but bring up a family until long nights
of sitting up with my sister, who was ill from some
glandular problem. So I guess in 1939 she started
painting a little bit and then when she retired from
her work in 1968, she painted rather full, full time,
I mean, night and day full time. She turned out
hundreds of paintings.
JD: What did she do for work?
ED: She was a layout artist. She started, after my
father died in 1950, she was hired on as a factory
worker in San Carlos in an electronics factory. After
they saw her decorations for the Christmas party, they
said well we need somebody like you in Publications.
So they put her immediately into that and she did
drawings, she did the typesetting, the layout and
that's what she continued to work on for different
companies until she was 62 I guess.
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taking math and I was getting worse and worse as the
semester went on. After the first semester, I said if
this is what they require, I think I've taken the
wrong door. I shouldn't have taken the door marked
Math, I should have taken the door marked Design.
But I didn't know what that meant.
JD: (coughs)
ED: You need some water?
JD: No, fine.
ED: Ah, and just at that time, it was about that
time, I think I went to work for - I quit school
because I knew that I didn't know what I wanted to do
and it was a good thing to not know. It was a good
thing that I worked around and tried to find out what
I wanted to do. I wasn't very aggressive at the
search. I was taking different jobs and those were
interesting. But I figured if this job would float
down to me, but it's probably mid-November of 1948 and
our backyard neighbor wasJerry Bunson who was Herb
Caen's chief writer here. And Herb, for many years,
had Jerry and a receptionist in his office. I don't
know how many he has now, but Jerry was the man for
about twenty years. And Jerry knew everything that
was going on in The City, of course, and he said well
why don't you go up and - 'causehe knew that I'd been
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Edd Dundas
in high school, I dabbled around in high school
1 and the right place. Being at the right place on the
2 theater - and he said they're looking for a make-up
2 right time made my life.
3 artist up at Macy's. It wasn't Macy's, it was
3 Well, there's a lot of refinements came after that but
4 O'Connor-Moffett, but it became Macy's. He said
4 that was the turning point, my 19th birthday too.
5 they're looking for a makeup artist in television and
5 10: Oh tell me first, I don't want to lose that
6 I had television in Popular Mechanics, I think. We'd
6 thread, what was O'Connor & Moffett?
7 never seen it but we'd seen pictures of it. So I
7 ED: It was a big department store, which is where
8 said, well, I'll do that.
8 Macy's is now.
9 So the next day, I think it was right around
9 10: Well, what happened, did O'Connor 10 Thanksgiving, 'cause that was - Thanksgiving week they
10 ED: Well, they bought them out.
11 were doing this closed circuit TV show at the top
11 10: Oh, Macy's bought - what was it, only one of
12 floor of what is now Macy's. And I walked in and
12 those stores?
13 Marge Trumble, who was a radio, a radio pillar, an
13 ED: You mean was it a chain, I don't know, I don't
14 important person in radio in San Francisco, and Fay
14 know.
15 and I can't think of her name. She later did
15 10: 'Cause I've never heard of O'Connor & Moffett.
16 commercials - I had my own show on Channel 5 and she
16 ED: Neither have I. I'm surprised that I knew it; I
17 later did commercials - Stewart, Fay Stewart. They
17 couldn't think of it at first. It just came to me as
18 both looked at when I went in and said Jerry Bunson
18 I started to tell you the story.
19 sent me up. He said you're looking for somebody in
19 10: I can remember a hundred years ago, it's what I
20 make up and they both greeted me as if I were a long
20 had for lunch that I can hardly remember.
21 lost rich uncle, because everybody looked quite bad on 21 ED: I can't remember this morning, I know. So that
22 television in black and white in 1948. So I didn't
22 was a big, a big event for me.
23 know a lot but by end of the three days of that show,
23 10: Yeah, yeah, one of those things. Well ah, but
24 I learned a lot more aboutmakeup. And that's why I'm
24 going back then, tell me more about these early
25 here today. Just that one, being in the right time
25 periods, before your sister was born in Salt Lake
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you remember those early kids?
Yes, yes, there were. There was oh, two kids
across the street, I can't remember their names now, a
boy and a girl. Up the street on the other side,
there were a couple of older kids in high school.
They had a boat, sailed it on Great Salt Lake. I kind
of admired their sportishness and they'd take their
boat out on the weekends and sail it and come back
and I thought that was the life. They weren't wealthy
but they could afford a boat anyway. The Cannons, a
Catholic family, lived up at the end of our block.
There were six kids in that family and so there was
one of every age grouping. I forget who we played
with. And then the next door down there was nobody,
and then in the next door down there was a boy and
girl. Popular Utah formula is a boy and a girl. I
don't know how they worked it out but so many homes in
our neighborhood had a boy and a girl.
10: (inaudible), two boys (laughs).
ED: Yeah, that's right. If they'd only had a boy and
a girl. Think what we'd be all - what would we be
today? So yeah, and then over on - we lived on
Kensington, and then the next street, I've forgotten
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No we were, we were
You were Mormons?
ED: We werepassive Mormons. I mean, you, anybody
who's born and grows up there becomes a Mormon just by
dint of citizenship and, you know, the peer pressure
is to go to ward. What we call church, I mean, what
we call wards are churches. And the cathedrals and
the temples and the in betweens are the stake houses,
S-T-A-K-E. So that's the hierarchy. So we'd go to
ward and that's where the church would have all the
youth activity. There was always something for the
little kids, the middle aged kids, high school kids,
singles, single teens or whatever they called them,
and the parents. So the church had an activity for
every age bracket. They're very inclusive. So we
just grew up becoming, you know, by osmosis. No, my
father went to Presbyterian College but it wasn't
Presbyterian.
10: Oh, oh, oh, I thought he was Presbyterian.
ED: No, and it just happened to be a college run by
the Presbyterians.
10: How long had your family been, it wasn't your
great grandfather that they'd been that long in Utah?
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Yes, my great grandfather moved to Utah from
Lincoln, Nebraska, that'd be on my father's side,
4 that's the sequence, oh, about 1875, with my
5 grandfather. My grandfather was born in Lincoln,
6 Nebraska. So I guess they moved there, as we moved
7 from Utah to California, at about that time when he
8 was a young man. So, that was the sequence. And I
9 guess they had always been builders on that side. And
10 on my mother's side, my mother's father's mother and
II her brother were sent by their family in famine laden
12 Sweden around the late 1860's.
13 JD: What's the name of the place?
14 ED: Sweden.
15 JD: No, I mean, Famine?
16 ED: Famine laden Sweden.
17 JD: Why did they have famines?
18 ED: Oh, they were all over. The Irish famine, the
19 whole weather patternchanged. Norway and Sweden were
20 having terrible famines
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22 JD: (both speak at once) and the potato famine.
23 ED: Yes, oh the whole north of Europe. And they were
24 feudal countries, they were just, they were run by
25 despots. Not the countries we know today.
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1 know? In one lifetime.
Wow, so she spanned the whole thing.
She died in about '70 I guess. She never like
airplanes (laughs) she didn't trust them.
Particularly as a mischievous child, I used to
convince her that it was mostly done with a giant
rubber band.
ED: But if it helped her, that's fine, it's a good
story.
JD: But ah, yeah, those stories of walking behind the
wagons. Well, when we, don't you always have that
when you drive out here. When you drive over, even if
you just come over from Reno or some place, how the
hell they got those wagons over the mountains?
ED: Yeah, you look down into the ravines and wonder,
you wonder why there was only one Donner Party.
JD: Yeah, right, well there were a couple (both speak
at once)
ED: Yeah, they weren't as famous.
JD: I mean, good lord.
ED: Well, by 1869, I think there were probably good
trails. They may not have been paved roads but they
were probably well-worn trails with stops every here
and there.
JD: Yeah, they knew the way.
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Oh well, if you study any Irish history, you can
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4 ED: But my grandmother, my great grandmother and her
5 brother were sent over with a band of Mormon
6 proselytizers, in other words, the Mormon church at
7 that time was sending missionaries to most civilized
8 countries in the world. And so they heard my great
9 great grandparents heard about it, sent the kids with
10 some missionaries and other families, and they took a
11 boat to New York - or I'm not sure where they landed12 a train to the, Illinois, on the river there
13 somewhere, and joined the Mormons in Illinois and my
14 great grandmother walked and pushed a cart from
15 Naveau, Illinois, to Salt Lake City. And the
16 culmination of all my work in my life isn't as
17 meaningful to me as what my grandmother pushes a cart
18 at age 16 across the country. I take that very
19 ceremoniously. I'm very impressed, and took care of
20 her little brother at the same time.
21 10: See my great grandmother did that, my grandmother
22 did that too, was much, much later, was about 1895 or
23 '96? It's what incredible to me is the same woman who
24 walked behind a covered wagon, you know, same
25 lifetime, was bopping around on whisper jets, you
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1 ED: Yeah, they knew the way by that time. It was
before the Gold Rush when they must have had to face
hell.
4 JD: Well, you know the Donner story, there was this
5 man who, many people sold travel logs and this man
6 invented the trail that the Donners took. He had
7 never done it himself, and he sold them, he was
8 selling these books about it, and it was a cut-off.
9 Otherwise they wouldhavehad to go to New Orleans, to
10 Oregon, and comeback. And poor old George Donner was
11 sucked in and so they went, they followed this - I
12 think his name was Christiansen - they followed this
13 new Christiansen guide book and they just didn't make
14 it.
15 ED: I didn't know that.
16 JD: Yeah, it was, it was. It would not have happened
17 to them if they had gone to Oregon which was the more
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20 JD: Oregon was south, you see, if they had gone the
21 southern way. But instead taking this new
22 Christiansen cut-off is how they got trapped. And
23 they were late, they were very late. But you think,
24 those are, that sort of, I wonder, I would guess all
25 Westerners must feel that same respect for the
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pioneers.
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3 10: And I would guess that the people in the East
4 don't have that experience. They have no idea what 5 ED: Although, they might have come on boats and
6 suffered similar hardships.
7 10: Yeah, around the Horn.
8 ED: Yeah, or just the terrible little boats, you
9 know, crossing the sea and - and my mother told me
10 that my grandmother, my great grandmother, crossing
II this little sea, many people were sick, some were so
12 sick, they jumped overboard. They thought they were
13 going to die. I think it must have been terrible.
14 And she got there and she raised seven children and I
15 met her. She died when I was eight, and I feel really
16 fortunate that I was able, even though at eight I
17 didn't know what was going on. As I look back, I'm
18 glad that I had some contact with history. 'Cause
19 here she represented the pre-West, you know? I mean,
20 there she was in the middle of the 19th century in
21 Europe and because she came across and met a man, they
22 had seven children, and one of them was my
23 grandfather, you know, I was there. So I appreciate,
24 I've enjoyed that, having that contact. It's better
25 than having read about them. I have a wonderful
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and visit her. She lived about two miles away. And
she was wonderful and for many years, the most
4 important person in my life, more important than my
5 parents. I don't know why she was, I don't know why.
6 I hear it's not unusual to have a stronger tie with a
7 grandparent. Therewas nothing wrong with my parents
8 as I recall, I might have had petty things, petty
9 misunderstandings, I guess we all do with our parents.
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12 forward to spending a lot of time with her and her
13 sisters and brothers. She was one of seven and they
14 werewonderful and funny and I loved being around them
15 all the time. So I think that around that time, I
16 grew up quick. I started going to movies on my own at
17 ten. Imagine now, at ten, getting on a bus and going
18 downtown and going to a movie on Saturday.
19 10: They do it but it bothers me.
20 ED: Well, I felt perfectly safe and my mother felt
21 perfectly safe. So I went to a lot of movies which is
22 maybe why I became an audio-visual producer, I don't
23 know. But I think it gave me what little grasp of
24 fantasy that I have. But I think it gave me some
25 ambition too, that there was more there than just
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picture of her in the other room.
2 10: Oh really. When?
3 ED: Well, I imagine taken around 1910. That seemed
4 to have been when photography in Utah became very
5 important and everybody had to have their picture
6 taken. From 1910 on. I don't know what happened.
7 Probably somebody just opened a studio (laughs). But
8 they were wonderful pictures.
9 10: Well, the ah, then back to Salt Lake City and
10 your, as opposed to many single children, many solo
II children in the household, you had a lot of friends
12 but you weren't, some of those children grew up
13 knowing better how to relate to adults than they do to
14 other children, but that was not so in your case
15 because of the kids in the neighborhood, you know,
16 before and early on in your school years?
17 ED: I think I thought of adults and children as two
18 separate worlds, ah, not too separate. But I knew, I
19 think I knew pretty early that I preferred the company
20 of adults. I would play ball or something when I was
21 very - I think before I was ten, I would play kid
22 games. But I think around - I don't know why I say
23 ten, but from ten on, well, I was ten when my sister
24 was born and that changed everything 'cause I had to
25 find a lot of thing to do on my own, and my
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going to a lot of movies. And so, and so from that
time on when I was and other kids weren't I felt, from
4 about ten on, I felt older than my peers. Mm, I don't
5 know Why, but from thenon, I preferred the company of
6 my grandmother's sisters and brothers to my peers.
7 10: Now your family was better off than others if
8 we're talking about 1929, we're talking about
9 Depression years.
10 ED: Well, my father was out of work for some time.
11 But we always had a house, 'cause we bought one in
12 1935. We rented until '35 and then we bought a house
13 in 1935. My mother wanted, I think, for me to be in a
14 good school. Where we were renting was not such a
15 good school and so we bought a house in good
16 neighborhood, meaning a higherclass neighborhood and
17 went I guess just the summer before I started school.
18 And it was a good school.
19 10: What do you remember about, what kinds of play
20 did you indulge in in those early year?
21 ED: Play?
22 10: What did kids play? Cowboys and Indians, Batman
23 and Robin?
24 ED: No. We had a canyon up at the top of our road.
25 I lived on a dead-end street, but at the top of the
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2 since been filled in but it was a wonderful, it was
3 our Africa, it was our Asia, it was our Himalayas. It
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5 unless you put your face down in it, you know? At
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7 times it was mud. But it was a jungle and I don't
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5 10: What kinds of things to you remember being
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interested in in those early years, let's say going
7 clear through primary grades in school through about
know what we played down there but we, wejust played
8 the third grade. What interesting things? Were you
9 down there and I think imagined that we were on safari 9 drawing and painting, do you remember?
10 or on trips or things like that. I don't think we
10 ED: No, I don't think so. Primary through third
11 played so many games and role playing. If they did,
11 grade?
12 that's fine. I don't think I did. I didn't play much
12 10: Were you writing little stories?
13 sports. My father had one of his tractors come over
13 ED: No, I think I liked reading. I found the
14 and grade the vacant lot next to us one time. He
14 library. I think around fifth grade I found
15 thought I should play more ball 'cause I wasn't
15 astronomy; I liked stars and things like that.
16 athletically included. He probably was. So he
16 Meaning, the miracle, I think that's when you look up
17 brought one of his tractors over and smoothed down the
17 in the sky one night and realize the moon is a three
18 lot that was next to us; well actually it was two
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19 lots. And smoothed it off so that I could invite the
19 unfathomable distances away, I mean, that was a kind
20 kids of the neighborhood to come over and play ball.
20 of a shock to figure that out. But I think that was
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23 10: What did you like in school? Any favorite
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25 wasn't that good at it, I still can't throw. I could
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realize it until we left and came down here, where we
have so much Spanish, yeah.
10: Yes, when I go back to Minnesota, it's that way.
You see all these tall, you know, blondish, you know,
fair people and you think god, you know, after all our
short dark swarthy ones here.
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school with Zorka Diche. She was very tall. 'Course
I was in grade school, but I was tall early but she
was much taller than I. I would say that she was more
than six feet tall and she was the librarian and I
remember somehow going in and offering to water her
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10: All right then, I've just about led to something
that will relate, not just about middle schools, but
anyway in the middle grades, you suddenly had this
sister. What did you think about all that?
ED: When I was ten, yeah.
10: You know, after having been the only child,
having been, you know, the favorite child of your
grandmother.
ED: I think I like her a lot. I do. If I felt
neglected, I think I made it up by getting, becoming
independent. And I think I probably have told her
already that I appreciate - not appreciate her illness
- I appreciate. I'm very thankful that she lived
through it. But that I appreciated the chance to be
on my own, though, to be independent. I was aware 01
that. Yeah, a lot of things, I think, changed. And I
didn't have to baby-sit her much. I think they always
brought in an adult for that. My parents believed in
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3 where children never went. But ah, other than that,
3 working for fifty-four years and I'm kind of tired.
4 we, my sister and I went everywhere with the family.
4 10: Tell me. You know, I have some problems with that
5 They didn't believe in leaving us at home. Maybe they 5 when I meet young people who basically have never
6 couldn't afford baby-sitters although we had a big
6 worked. You know, we need people who, you know,
7 family. They could have left us with someone. I
7 they've done odd jobs, you know, they've worked here
8 think they just believed in taking us and I think that
8 or there or wherever but really not very persistently.
9 was good for us to become socialized so I think we
9 When I first moved into this neighborhood, I guess I
10 knew how to behave in mixed and adult situations. So 10 had been at State about three years. Then I rented or
11 we went left off. I like to have free time, I always
11 bought a house - at first I bought a two-flat building
12 did, I still do. But we weren't, I never felt like I
12 on State Street, and then I moved from that into a
13 was left. If I was left with anyone, it was with my
13 house at 69 Beaver. And the address is worth a lot
14 grandmother which was even better than being home. 14 (laughs) (coughs).
15 I'm not sure what happened. My sister and I, I think, 15 ED: Wouldn't you like some water or something to
16 we had a good feeling. Oh, when she was growing up, 16 drink.
17 we used to throw things at each other, tease each
17 JD: You might give me a little water, yeah.
18 other, but only occasionally. We were always, I
18 ED: Why don't you turn that off then?
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20 ED: Other side of this, the people that don't work.
21 ED: Yeah, ten years, yeah, so when she was growing 21 Maybe they're looking. It's like a merry-go-round;
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22 they're waiting for the next time it goes around.
23 JD: Well also I'm assuming that - that you assumed a 23 They're waiting for something good to show up that
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25 ED: I might have. I never remembered that. I
25 JD: Well and then, you know, I just read an article
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Eighteen months ago, everything changed and I've had
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I'm supposed to be, I'm supposed to be at the age when
I hang out I suppose or reminisce or play bridge or
something. But I've found my sense of direction has
always been forward and it's, and I know that I've got
to slow that or change. I know I've got to deal
differently with my, with time, but I'm still finding
the only pleasure is in my future as a futurist. The
project that I'm doing at State is (both speak at
once) No. I'm sorry, philosophical spin-off there.
JD: It's the same thing, you know, that ah. I don't
know there hasn't been - it supposed to come, you
know, I plan to retire the - January 8th.
ED: Next year?
JD: Yes. The end of the Fall semester. See, I'll be
63 December 21st. And withour system, as you know,
is very punishing if you're not at least 62 and the
final reward is at 63. And so, I'll do now well. No,
it won't make it; it doesn't matter that much. But
you must be 63. You know, this is my 36th year but
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2 it's almost impossible unless you have other
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3 investments.
3 10: Well, at that point then, I will do more things
4 ED: That's the magic window, huh?
4 like this, like Stonewall and things like that. And I
5 10: Yes. And then what they do is we get, in theory,
5 enjoy - what I'll be doing for teaching is just
6 two percent of our salary, ah, an average of our
6 supervising student teachers, which I like to do, but
7 salary - we get two percent of that times the number
7 more importantly what it does for me is it gets me out
8 of years when you get to be 62. If you leave as early
8 of the committee system. I don't have to do those
9 as 55, you get nothing - you can have your money back 9 committees anymore. And that, oh god, my boss says if
10 at like one percent interest or something. And if you
10 he dies, you know, that's optimistic, if he dies, that
11 leave at 59 or 60, I think you get one percent. And
11 he'd like it to be in a committee meeting because the
12 so if it's not 12 transition is so slight. Well, I think that's true.
13 ED: It's to induce you to stay on.
13 ED: It won't be until the meeting's over that they'll
14 10: You get a 2 percent. And then at 63 they add
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15 another .417, so it's a half a percent. Well in 36
15 10: Yeah, and maybe not then.
16 years, that's 18 percent. And then they also, in our
16 ED: Takes a final vote.
17 current contract - and I think things are so crazy in
17 10: And then they'll call it an abstention. Just
18 the State, I don't trust it; our contracts are for
18 don't leave the room (inaudible). We could do a nice
19 three years - in our current contract, you can do
19 little playlet and call it The Abstention. Some of
20 what's called early retirement for where you can teach 20 our meetings are so bad that we have abstentions than
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21 we do yeasor nays. Anyway then, okay, going back now
22 ED: Yeah, my friends have done that.
22 to the school, and what was relationship then with
23 10: So that's what I'll do. I'll teach in the
23 your sister? Is was positive?
24 spring, not at all in 1997, but in 1998 teach in the
24 ED: Yeah, I think so.
25 spring for the next five years. And I want to.
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10: What did you then, tell me about your interests
in school, at this point in grammar school, did any of
those become apparent, you know, that you hated
English and you like math or vice versa.
ED: Vice versa. I don't see any pattern in grade
school. I think I like reading and writing, or
writing essays. I think we had to write essays. When
I was given an opportunity, I would do an oral report.
Some teachers are wise enough to give students a
choice of turning in a paper or doing an oral report
and I think I usually liked to do oral reports, and I
think that was good for my self-esteem. To stand in
front of the class.
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remember suddenly liking it when I heard this, you can
do this by an oral report to the class or you can put
it on paper. Oh, oral report. So I think that was
another one of those little things that was, I
remember as being a good path to take, you know? But
as far as what I was taking in grade school? No.
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6 ED: No. I took art and chorus at the same time and I
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8 high, and Utah has a junior high school.
9 10: But you like those subjects?
10 ED: I liked them very much, yes, all of them.
11 10: Did you have any favorite teachers?
12 ED: No. In junior high?
13 10: Well, sure, in that or in elementary school
14 beyond Mrs. Lund, or Miss Lund. Probably Miss Lund.
15 ED: Miss Lund, yeah, they were mostly unmarried.
16 10: Had to be Miss.
17 ED: Yeah. Zorka Diche,
18 10: Orka Diche.
19 ED: Zorka, the librarian, but nobody else stands out.
20 10: You know, people who become readers and an
21 interest thing 'cause there has been, you know, that's
22 my field, and people who become readers, and there
23 have been, it's not documented in the sense of
24 research, but a lot of commentary on questionnaires
25 and conversations with people, ah, many, many, many of
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3 There was something about them. It's was a role that
4 I don't know whether, with this new electronic stuff,
5 that that will exist, but the librarian was a key
6 person in so many - in this country - so many people.
7 ED: There may be a parallel. Maybesomebody who's a
8 computer whiz will be the mentor for a lot of young
9 people. Or somebody who really knows how to program
10 something or play the game better. I think the roles
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12 people have different titles and it must be very
13 electronically fast now.
14 JD: Have you been to the new library?
15 ED: Yeah. I haven't, I haven't called up anything.
16 JD: The thing that I love about it is - is the
17 children's room. What I really like about it 18 ED: I'll have to go there.
19 JD: Oh, it's just spectacular. It's the most
20 beautiful children's library I know. But what I like
21 about it is where it is, 'cause those are poor kids
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23 ED: Yeah, where it is, the building. Yeah, they can
24 walk it. I've seen them. Every time I've been in
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2 JD: Oh yeah, for those kids who are living down there
3 in the Tenderloin in all that squalor, to have
4 something so, you know, such a paradise so close.
5 ED: That's going to change the lives of a number of
6 kids. A few of those kids will see the light.
7 JD: Well, yeah, yeah, you know, it's an inviting,
8 warm place for them to be.
9 ED: Is that chair comfortable?
10 JD: Yes.
11 ED: You can lower or raise it or I can give you
12 another one? Got a lot of different chairs.
13 JD: This is one I have at home for my - exactly this
14 one is the one I have at home for my computer and I
15 like it. The ah, okay. And you started then moving 16 when did you, going back a little bit, when did you
17 first begin to feel that you were different from other
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19 ED: Don't all kids feel different from other kids?
20 I've wondered about that for a long time.
21 JD: No, they don't.
22 ED: They don't?
23 JD: Terrifying thought.
24 ED: Oh my god, you mean I'm one of the few, huh?
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3 ED: No, uh uh, I didn't have a best friend. There
JD: Well all kids, gay kids too.
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5 JD: Well, now that's unique.
JD: Gay kids may do it earlier.
6 ED: Is it? No, I was - there was ED: Well, not until they're 11 or 12. So I'm not so
far off. Twelve.
7 JD: Most people have a gang.
JD: Did you see the word for it? When you discovered 8 ED: No, I didn't have a gang. I don't think I did
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that, the psychologists called it, call it a
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your mind is different from other people's.
15 ED: What years are you talking about, high school or
ED: Well, I didn't feel trapped. I wasn't, I don't
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think I was lonely.
17 JD: Well, yeah, lets say '42 to '45.
JD: But set apart is what I mean by the loneliness or
18 ED: Worked. I started working in '42. I worked at
what they mean by the loneliness.
19 an ice cream shop. A fountain, they sold ice cream,
ED: I thought that I had an objective as well as an
20 they sold milk and dairy products, eggs, bread, things
objective eye. And I only met one other kid who
21 like that. But mostly, what we called a fountain.
would, could talk to me about that, how we saw
ourselves behaving. And he lived across the street,
22 JD: And you were only twelve?
23 ED: Twelve, yeah, but I was big for my age, so they
and I think I had a crush on him although I didn't
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ED: Oh, I had those before I was twelve, yeah. I had
magazines. I never had newspapers. I couldn't get up
every morning that early. But I had ah
6 JD: Could have gone on with the Examiner (laughs).
7 ED: I had ah, I had magazines, yeah. In fact I had
8 magazines and loaned my mother and father fifty
9 dollars to buy their first house. 'Cause I was the
10 only one who had fifty dollars. So I was only making
11 a quarter an hour in 1942. I thought that was a lot
12 of money 'cause that had, I think I got a dollar a
13 week allowance so I was making, in one afternoon, a
14 weekly allowance. And I mean, that's how I think when
15 you're a kid you equate things, not a dollar or a
16 quarter. In one afternoon, I could double my
17 allowance and the (inaudible) I could triple it. So I
18 was, I think I just studied whatever one studies at
19 twelve, and I worked. And I like that. And that was
20 my socialization. Maybe my lot - 'cause everybody I
21 worked with was older, I mean, in their twenties and
22 thirties, you know, old people. And so I think I was
23 already permanent because of my interest in my
24 grandmother's generation to deal with older people.
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JD: Yes.
ED: Yeah, I think he was always, he was working for
the government but he knew that things were going to
come to an end. So he, my mother then - I think on
the day that Franklin Roosevelt died, came to
California and the two of them. I stayed with my
grandmother. My sister and I stayed with my
grandmother in Utah and my mothercamehere joining my
father and they bought a house in San Carlos down the
Peninsula. And then she came home and - was it right
away? No, I think the house wasn't empty for a while.
So in June, I think it was June of '45, we moved here.
I think we shipped some things and packed up the car.
My mother, my grandmother and grandfather and my
sister and I, the five of us, in our little old '37
Ford and we drove down.
And that was a big time. I started going to high
school. No, it was April, it was late April, because
I had one month of school or a month and a half of
school at Sequoia High School before the summer. I
came in very late but they accepted me. And boy, that
really opened up the world to meet. And I saw they
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people by age - I never worked or spent any time with
people my age as I come to think of it. I was always
with older people.
JD: Hm. The work did that.
ED: Ithink it did. I hadn't, I hadn't analyzed it
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9 know, the primary years. In April of '45, we moved to
10 California and everything changed. I kept working.
11 Worked in another half, worked in another dozen
12 restaurants over the next ten years.
13 JD: In California?
14 ED: In California, yeah. Well, they were good jobs
15 for high school kids to get.
16 JD: What did you do with the money besides buy real
17 estate for your parents?
18 ED: Saved it.
19 JD: Saved it (laughs).
20 ED: Yeah, somehow I got onto savings. Well, I
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23 JD: Tell me then about moving to California.
24 ED: Well, my father was working here during the war
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remember the name. Mr. Carringtonhad the chorus and
I thought I'd sign up for chorus for the next fall.
It was too late, I think, in April to join then, but
then he said ah, well, we're doing an operetta and
maybe you'd like to be in the chorus for that. And
then I think the next year I was, and then the
operetta, of course, included actors and Mrs. Kibiah
who was directing the actors and so then I learned
about the drama club or players' club or whatever it
was called.
And ah, my life, I think, began to bloom, because I
found other people like me. I didn't know at the time
they were gay, but they were like me. They had, they
were having a good time, they were having a lot of
fun. They liked what they were doing. I don't know,
what is that? What is that spirit when you find
camaraderie, when you find people who are similarly
inclined. I guess having an excitement about life and
hanging out with the teacher. The teacher was more
than a teacher. She was our, she was the center of
our focus, she was our spiritual beacon as well. So
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and drama. So we were there all the time. And so we
became a kind of family, but a family devoted to
putting on the plays or something like that. So I
didn't know what all that meant at the time, but I
just knew I was in heaven. I just knew that this was
the most wonderful thing.
JD: And you were working then in restaurants.
ED: Oh sure. Always working.
JD: Well, what kind of socializing were you doing?
When did you have, when did you have time?
ED: Well, I think the theater was my social life.
The people in the theater. I still see, we still have
about a five year reunion of those people from 1945.
We're still in touch. A couple have died, a couple
have moved away, but, one, two, three, four, five of
us are still in touch. I didn't keep any similar
contacts with junior college or San Francisco State.
But the high school group, I think we were all so
important to each other that we still like to get
together about every five years, just to reassure
ourselves we're still there, I suppose.
JD: Well yeah, I think that that's what you're,
that's what you're, that goes without saying that
that's what you were getting out of the association.
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women and guys in sports. But we got together fine.
We all went down to this house in the mountains and
that's where I think I had my first covert sexual
contact, since we were all sleeping on the floor and
all having a good time, and it just seemed like kind
of a natural thing to do and I was almost surprised
myself that anything was happening.
Somewhere around that time, I think the next year,
which would have been the fall of '45, I met a fellow
named Jim. And I don't know where, I wish I could, I
think it would be a - I wish I had made notes or
something or kept a diary. I don't know where I met
him. It's just we went to high school together and
hung out, and then asked each other if we wanted to go
and have coffee or something. His family was in the
flooring business and he could get the family truck
and he would sometimes pick me up in the family truck
and then after I was sixteen, I became sixteen at the
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ED: Yeah.
JD: Ah, what did, when did you begin or do you
remember anything about developing sexuality?
ED: It was about that time. I think - I didn't
really know what I was doing. I would really never
discuss sexuality with anybody.
JD: Were your family, were your parents puritanical?
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never told what to do either. I was never, I don't
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head, if they said anything. No, never had that
discussion. But two of the guys, one guy from my
English class who lives in North Bay now, I think he
and I had the first sexual contact just 'cause we were
staying over at another friend's house in the Santa
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why we did do something and how those other people
seemed to take what we did. So we were, we were
discussing objectively the things that were happening
to us and other people.
I don't think we were in love but we really like
hanging out together and ah spent a lot of time
together and it occurred to me years, years later that
I wonder what my parents thought because Jim used to
come over and sleep. I had a single bed. And he used
to come over and stay all the time. Ah, we'd stay out
late and then he'd come over and stay over, say for a
Friday or Saturday and my mother would fix us
breakfast and there was, and they didn't encourage. I
don't remember anybody ever saying that he shouldn't
come and I don't remember anybody saying oh, you
should bring your friends or something. I just
figured it was okay, and it was okay. In other words,
there was no overt solicitation to bring friends over
and there was no resistance to it.. I think he was he
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was very important, that was important. I think he
3 to sit in the car. They still had drive-ins and we'd
got married in the '60s. I think I saw him once in
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Redwood City. I heard fromhis brother. I worked, he
5 whatever we had to the car. Did a lot of that. Went
used to work next door to where his brother worked and
6 to the beach a lot, liked to used to drive to Half
I said oh, how's Jim. He says oh, he's fine; he's
7 Moon Bay and sit and talk a lot about things. I
got married now and has a baby and he's living in
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Redwood City. So I think I went down to see him some
9 important as that I had a confidant for the first time
time in the '60s, mid '60s, yeah, mid '60s, and ah,
10 in my life. So that was, that was very good. And
that was the last time I saw him and we were just
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friendly. We didn't talk about, you know, rolling
12 17. So I went on and he went on and I didn't find
around in the car or at the beach or anything like
13 anybody like him ah, after that. I just continued to
that, or in my bed. We just, you know, hi, hi, how 14 work.
you doing? Duh, how you doing?
15 10: And where did you go on to? Where did you go?
10: (laughs) What are you going to do now? (laughs) 16 Did you go to School?
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17 ED: I went on to college, yeah, then the College of
think we had any particular attraction or regrets or
18 San Mateo and was working at drive-ins up in San
anything 'cause it had been, you know, fifteen years
19 Mateo, so that was convenient. Then I quit school
since we'd been together. But I remember him because 20 because, as I said, I was starting to realize that I
of his role, you know, the timing, to find somebody
21 was not cut out for what they said was Engineering
that intimate and that close and cool. No role
22 which was a basis in math. So I had to quit and
playing, we weren't, one of us wasn't in charge or
23 worked around in different places: a ceramic shop and
anything. The thing that I've learned since. We just 24 things like that.
liked each other and we liked to hang out and talk.
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while I was going to junior college. And they
wouldn't let me cut because you make one little
mistake and you've ruined a lot of clothes. But I
would repair the machinery in the sewing shop and I
had to learn to sew so then I knew how the sewing
machine was supposed to work. So I still use that
now. I can still sew pretty well.
10: My family was in the garment industry.
ED: Oh were they? Oh, yeah.
10: One of the jobs that I had - I know about the
cutters. They didn't (both speak at once)
ED: I was a layer.
10: They were the most expensive people you had were
the cutters.
ED: Oh yeah. Well the boss, the boss was the cutter.
10: Well you think about that today, that can be so
done by computers that you can save all of that, you
know, you can - Whether the garment was going to make
any money or not could be determined by the cutter,
how it was laid out.
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Oh no, no, it just made a zig-zag stitch back and
forth and back and forth.
ED: Well, that's different. The overlock machine
cuts and, cuts ends of.
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same time that you're talking about, it would have
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10: During the war what they made were ah, what they
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pads then. I liked those, I liked the people I worked
with there. We made children's clothes I think. The
little plaid shirts and shorts. A lot of Hispanic
people, I don't know where they were from. They were
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I would all come up by bus from San Jose. They all
lone summer I had a morning job making donuts. So I'd
2 lived in San Jose, about eight women. I can see the
2 start my first job at 5 a.m. and then I'd get, make
3 plant. About eight women, and they chatted in Spanish 3 enough donuts by 7, 8 I guess. And I'd run home and
4 all day long. I liked that. It was another kind of a
4 take a shower. The donut shop was near my house.
5 family for me. I liked them a lot. So I was there
5 This was 1949, '50, I guess. And then I'd run home
6 since I quit school. I was there all day 'cause I was
6 and change clothes so I didn't smell like donuts and
7 looking for something. I didn't know what I was
7 run up and get to KPIX by 10 and get out of there
8 looking for, but I found it, as I said, when Jerry
8 around, well,S, or if I were on the late shift, I'd
9 Bunsen, why don't you try television? So that, that
9 get away at 10 o'clock at night.
10 gave me my next bump up. 1948, Thanksgiving week. 10 JD: Ithought you were not an early morning riser.
II JD: Now you're still, now at this point you, you
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12 know, you're lacking a best friend or, you know, much
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13 ED: But I needed extra money 'cause they weren't
14 ED: No, I didn't have any best friends.
14 paying anything in television at all, so I needed it.
15 JD: If you've lost all of your, if you've lost your
15 And then I'd work Christmas and special days at the
16 old high school buddies from the drama club or the
16 Emporium. But that was kind of killing me. And then
17 drama group.
17 the Army came along and rescued me and gave me just
18 ED: Yeah, yeah, they've all gone on to college by
18 one job, drafted me into Korea. And that was in '50
19 this time. Some of them went to San Jose State and
19 to '51.
20 some of them went to San Francisco State.
20 JD: When was that?
21 JD: SO go on from there.
21 ED: March of '51 and then I got back in March of '53.
22 ED: SO the television days. Well, there's no limit
22 JD: Well, see I went in June of '51 and then I was
23 to the time you can spend in television. I was, I
23 out of - I went in, I was 17 and went in for a skivvy
24 worked there twelve hours a day, but that wasn't
24 hitch and got out here October 10th of '54. They had
25 enough. I got a night job at the Emporium and then
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into a room and they said well, a room of us CIC
people, and they said well, we haven't had many CIC
agents and we didn't know quite what to think of that.
We were, didn't know whether to say wow, that's
wonderful or wow, that's terrible. We waited for the
next line. So they said so we won't be needing all of
you at the front. We knew what to say to that. Oh,
too bad, you know, muffled, muffled relief. So would
you like to go to another school? Well sure, I was,
you know, will be my third school in the Army. I'm
all for this, you know, I love school. Ah, so ah,
they sent a few of us to pharmacy school in a
wonderful little town just south of Osaka. One of the
prettier places in the world and certainly one of the
prettier places in Japan. The Ozoo Peninsula. So, I
became, went to school 44 hours a week, plus homework.
We only had Saturday afternoons and Sundays off, and I
became a pharmacist. And one year almost to the day
after I went in the Army, I was out of my third school
and was shipped to Korea and was sent forward in the
25th Division to be a pharmacist. And our pharmacy
was, 2nd Platoon, 2nd Company Pharmacy Platoon, or
something like that. Clearing, Clearing Platoon,
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that's it. We cleared, we were the first tent that
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4 helicopter to DOA. And if they were lightly wounded,
5 we kept them on our ward, and if they were seriously
6 wounded, they went to MASH. SO that tells you where
7 we were in the order of things. And we moved around a
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11 nursing corps.
12 ED: Well, we were field pharmacists, we were not the
13 sort that they trained back at Fort Sam Houston, which
14 is where the main medical school is. They trained us
15 to, to dispense.
16 JD: Would you behave as paramedics too, huh? Didn't
17 you behave as paramedics also?
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20 JD: Oh, if they're bringing back the wounded into
21 these tents 22 ED: But we had a whole, other people were trained for
23 all these other jobs. We just were pharmacists. It
24 was a little bit like being in the union. We were
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2 were on R&R, we were asked to be in work surgery
3 shifts and things like ward shifts. And I, I didn't
4 mind doing that 'cause I like being around people.
5 Butordinarily, we were, we were the pharmacists so we
6 weren't overworked. Actually, I had a lot of time.
7 They put me in charge of movies. So I would go down
8 to MASH in the jeep and bring back the movies each, I
9 think about twice a week I went down there. And so
10 got to meet some of the crazy people at MASH and the
11 series, the series is more closely aligned to the MASH
12 that I knew then. The movie that ah, that was first
13 made, the MASH movie was fun, but it was a little
14 overboard. But the MASH series had much more to do
15 with the day to day (inaudible). They had a good time
16 there. The only place in Korea that had a good time
17 was in the MASH unit ah, because the doctors are
18 pretty irreverent. Ah, so that was a good time. And
19 then, so I was never, I guess, in any jeopardy. If I
20 was, I didn't know it. Worked out my time in the MASH
21 unit and came home in February of '53. Sorry to take
22 so long in telling.
23 JD: How did they let you out so early? Oh, 'cause
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6 ED: I'm not a volunteer.
7 JD: But still no friends, no one that you really, you
8 know, no one that you're really close to, even in that
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10 ED: No.
11 JD: And no sexuality?
12 ED: Not in the Army. I think the lab tech and I knew
13 we were both gay and we used to, I remember a couple
14 of times, we went to showers together but, of course,
15 the showers wereopen to anybody. And we would scrub
16 each other's back and we would take our time doing it
17 and we didn't talk much, but we were kind of buddies.
18 But nothing serious. Just kind of like isn't it nice
19 to have somebody wash your back.
20 10: Nowyou knew you were gay. Didyou know what you
21 were saying at that point?
22 ED: Not that I'd know now, no, I didn't know the
23 whole political psychological surrounds. I just knew
24 that I liked, I had always like being around women, I
25 always liked working with women, I still do. But I
mean, sexually. I thought they were great creatures.
3 I was just never drawn to them, but I liked a lot of
4 them. I dated, I mean, as I think about it, it's kind
5 of crazy, I mean, I took out girls in high school. We
6 went to dances, we went to - I didn't dance very well
7 so I'd try to get out of that but we went to parties.
8 And everybody else was taking a girl to a party so I
9 took a girl to a party 'cause I didn't know any
10 differently. That everybody took a girl to a party,
11 that was it. I didn't know it was their law but since
12 everybody did it, I did it too. And we had a good
13 time. Ah, I'm trying to think when it was a problem.
14 I think, yes, in junior college, a girl named Barbara,
15 and I asked her out, and we were both in speech class.
16 And we went out a couple of times and then I think the
17 second timewe went up to Woodside or some place, just
18 remember, it was a really nice place. We were walking
19 around a church or a park ground or something. We sat
20 on a bench and we're talking, and she got real close
21 and wanted to kiss, so I kissed her. I thought that
22 was okay. I liked kissing. But then she wanted to do
23 more and I said well, no, I think that's enough.
24 Let's go, time to go I guess, isn't it? Oh, it's
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2 didn't want to do any of it, but I liked her a lot.
3 But I think I had a lot of ambivalence about that. I
4 liked everybody, but I didn't, I guess I didn't see
5 what was going on. I mean, I guess I knew I could,
6 I'm trying to tell you as I was then. I could analyze
7 it now, but as I was then, I didn't see.
8 JD: You didn't feel anything was missing or anything
9 like that?
10 ED: No. no.
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12 ED: It wasn't until I fell in love with Todsa who was
13 the star of the film. I lived in Japan for a year,
14 did a film there and he was the star of it. I mean, I
15 did a lot of other things before, but I'm skipping now
16 to 1963 and '64 when I lived in Japan then, that I
17 really liked him. He's straight. I still liked him
18 and ah, and that was the first time that I think I
19 realized that I was homosexual, although I don't even
20 know if I used that word, but I liked some guys better
21 than I liked any women. I didn't like all guys, but I
22 liked some. I had met a couple in my life. So I
23 guess I wasn't a very good hunter, I wasn't a very
24 good predator. 'Cause I've seen now as I look back
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4 ED: Yeah, and a dog, and it works well, I mean, if
5 you have a good family, you want to have something
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7 JD: Well then what did you do when you left the
8 service?
9 ED: Well, went to work immediately. I thought I was
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II it. Yeah, I moved home 'cause I obviously didn't have
12 any place.
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14 ED: San Carlos. I moved home and stayed in myoid
15 room and that was good and I worked in a grocery
16 store.
17 JD: And how old were you then?
18 ED: Twenty-three.
19 JD: And worked in a grocery store.
20 ED: Yeah, for a little while, and I couldn't stand
21 that so I think I went to work in a drive-in 'cause I
22 had a, you know, they always want you to have
23 experience. You know, it's hard to get a job when you
24 want something new. They always want, what did you do
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II passion. I really liked, I did, I did almost
12 everything, everything I was doing I liked, the people
13 I was with I liked. But I didn't feel, didn't feel I
14 had to find somebody and I wishnow I had. I think my
15 life would be better now if I had sought out a special
16 person. I guess I missed that class. Whether your
17 parents teach you or school teaches you or you just
18 get it through osmosis or the air, I don't know. But
19 I missed that lesson about finding somebody special.
20 JD: Well, our system of needs.
21 ED: System of needs, yeah.
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23 early adulthood that ah that is responding to a
24 neediness that apparently you didn't have either, you
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So I got a job in another restaurant/drive-in. But in
the meantime, ah, I thought I'd try the TV stations
and I got a job as summer replacement, 1953 summer
replacement, KRON, and that summer replacement job
ended six years later when I quit. And all the time,
at the same time, when I got back, I finished out my
time in the College of San Mateo, so I was working TV
and going to College of San Mateo, '53, '54, then in
'55 I was still working there and transferred up to
San Francisco State and so was working through 'til
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JD: And you were doing all that time at KRON.
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What were you doing over there?
Film editing. They were still using film; didn't
have videotape then.
JD: Yeah, right, no, that's true. My last thing in
the Navy, I was in Public Information and my last
thing was to go to, this was in the original, oh, in
1953, the original invasion or the movement of people
from Haiphong to Saigon. And ah, after the French
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2 and filmed that for about four months. Well, then the
2 her my number and ask her to call me. And if I'm not
3 next ten months of my enlistment, what I was doing was
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4 editing those films, making - trying to make monstrous 4 10: I just told her that you were interested.
5 American propaganda just out of (inaudible).
5 ED: Yeah, very interested. I have a feeling that
6 ED: Did you see the finished product?
6 she's going to be very important to my plans.
7 10: Oh yeah, oh yeah. You know, it was old Eyes and 7 10: Yeah, she is, she is.
8 Ears of the World. Da Da Da Da, the old rooster.
8 ED: And if she doesn't want to do it, then she can
9 ED: Andyou were telling them how we were saving the
9 refer me to somebody but 10 people in Saigon.
10 10: She's been doing nothing else but this for a
11 10: (both speak at once) perfect example.
11 couple years.
12 ED: (both speak at once) save tape. I have to take
12 ED: Oh, I really want to talk to her.
13 the dog out. Let's take a break outside.
13 10: And she's connected with that whole group of gay
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15 10: You've got to do it.
15 ED: Got to talk to her.
16 ED: I know.
16 10: She was the major speaker at the (inaudible)
17 10: Where, you've been talking about e-mail for over 17 dinner that introduced the scholarship winners this
18 a year.
18 last, what was it, two weeks ago on Friday night. And
19 ED: Well, I respond to questions. I don't say gee, I
19 that's nice. PG&E does that.
20 wish anymore. I haven't had any reason to but it
20 ED: They support it?
21 sounds like I do have reasons.
21 10: Well, I mean, they raise about ten thousand a
22 10: Yeah you do, yeah you do. Ab, like Mary Gray, I 22 year just for those scholarships. And so.
23 don't even have an address for her. I think I can
23 ED: Is that the model?
24 find it through GLHS, but I know 24 10: Yeah, yeah. And Mary's on one of our committees,
25 ED: Well, since I'm not quite on this, on the
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sorry this is dreadfully dull.
10: No, it's not.
ED: Well, I'm just, I don't have any good stories to
tell.
10: Good stories to tell.
ED: I don't.
10: This work ethic is so strong.
ED: (laughs) Well, yeah, I figure lowe you coffee
and a good story and I, you won't take the coffee and
I don't have a good story.
10: Not true, not true. But then, when did you move
out of home? When you were living at home. Was your
sister living there also? She have had to been if you
were twenty-three, she would have only have been
thirteen.
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San Francisco State at that time.
10: Well, where were you living when you were at San
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and then, of course, I lived up here various places.
Then when I went into the Army, of course, I put all
my stuff in my mother's garage in storage. Andwhen I
came back, I was living at home until I got the job at
nON so I was living there for a few months until I
got a job. And then I moved to San Francisco ah,
sharing a place with a fellow from - I'd met in junior
college, Mario Ruiz. He is, I hope he's still alive,
ah, from EI Salvador. And we had gone to New College
together and then when I met him, he said I'm looking
for a place to live. I said oh, so am I, so we had a
little place on Portola Drive, which is now tom town,
near the fire house there because they widened it.
They took, bought up some of thosehomes to widen the
street right there. Ab, I lived there and then I
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was a little four-unit place, Union and Buchanan, as I
3 recall. And then stayed, I was there about three
4 years until I got the job in Big Sur and moved to Big
5 Sur.
6 10: What were you doing in Big Sur?
7 ED: I was stage manager or coordinator for a feature
8 film with John Steinbeck. I'd met this writer who'd
9 rewritten the John Steinbeck story when I was working
10 at the Chronicle in '58. And so in '59, he hired me
11 and a half dozen other people and we wentdown to make
12 a movie. And it was going to take 16 weeks and it
13 took almost a year 'cause it was badly organized, but
14 it was a wonderful experience. I had a good time.
15 But, I don't know, we left off where, in the '60s?
16 10: No, I don't think we're that far yet. We're17 you haven't really told about how you happen to know
18 (both speak at once) You finished junior college.
19 ED: Junior college, yeah.
20 10: And then went to State.
21 ED: San Francisco State, '55.
22 10: And you were at KRON then?
23 ED: Right, simultaneously.
24 10: Okay, so that was '55. Then you haven't told
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Ah, got my M.A. in '57, my B.A. in '57 and stayed
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3 '58, (talking about the dog) yeah, drink for anything.
It's not that. It's just how little she has to
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7 ED: In '56, I started working on my Masters film,
8 which is one they still show every year in the
9 lighting class for some reason in theory. I started
10 to make that, and I met Doyle. I think I said I met
11 or he found me and I was auditioning for actors for
12 the - for my master's film. And ah, he spirited me
13 away one night and we made out in my car on the beach
14 over by the Zoo.
15 10: It seems so bizarre that, you know, here is a
16 person who is not aggressive sexually and who isn't
17 really overwhelmed with the, with lust and desire and
18 deprivation. And that you just suddenly just flip off
19 and do it in the back seat of a car.
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22 room.
23 10: But it just seems strange that, you know, that
24 coming from a place of almost non-recognition that
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need I guess ah, and I was waiting to be read. I
2 10: No, I don't either, you know, I know all the
wasn't aggressive. I didn't know what I needed. I
3 expressions, you know, that, you know, that, of
think I supplemented most of my feelings to work and I 4 course, you can buy love with money.
found a great deal of pleasure in my work and I, I
5 ED: I wished now that I had shopped around since I
wondered is that really bad? It worked for me but I
6 knew I was going to pay for it all my life.
wouldn't recommend it anybody. MarkTwain said when
7 10: Yeah, or you're just simply, you know, like John
they asked him how he got to be eighty or seventy-five 8 DeChecko. You know, John DeChecko has only bought it.
years old. He said well I, he said my way worked for 9 ED: Oh yeah, no, yeah, yes I know, yeah, John's very
me but it'd probably kill you. Ah, I don't know, I
10 proud of that. No, I neverdidn't know at the time. It seemed, maybe it seemed 11 10: Cruises along Polk Street and picks up these
just like periodically - maybe I let my defenses - I
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don't think I had defenses up but I don't think I was
13 ED: Itook people to dinner and even gave them a
looking very hard. I don't know what triggered it. I 14 place to live but I didn't pay them money, I mean, I
don't know why somebody like Doyle would find me but
15 didn'twe were kind of, because of our working in this film, 16 10: No, but it cost you a lot more. It would have
we were thrown into close proximity and so we had a 17 been much cheaper to pay them money.
good time. I don't know if we had a lot of sex,
18 ED: I suppose so. But they hung around for as long
maybe, gosh, it's all a blur now. Once a week we'd
19 as they wanted to, and then they left.
get together? Work, going to school. We went to New
20 10: I took Jonathan, my sort of middle one, to
York together. I bought tickets - he didn't have any
21 Europe; it cost six thousand dollars. That's a lot of
money. My boyfriends never have any money.
22 25-year-old boys, I mean, 25 dollar boys (laughs).
10: (laughs) Story of my life. Mm, been there, done
23 ED: Yeah, Peter and I went to Europe, but I thought
that.
24 it was well worth it. He spoke French. He lives in
ED: Let's see, there's Doyle, Nick and Peter and
25 Paris now. He speaks French fluently and Italian very
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know how to do that. I'm not
how to do it now but I can
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9 ED: But I didn't know I could.
10 JD: SO anyway, Doyle.
11 ED: SO Doyle, yeah, we made the film together and we
never lived together. He always had his place over on
13 Sloat somewhere. And we went to New York and he
14 stayed. That was kind of a - it was, I felt bad about
15 that. The day before we were going to come home, we'd
16 gone on a theater trip. We went to see The Bells are
17 Ringing and West Side Story and several things I've
18 forgotten now. We just saw, we went to two shows a
19 day. We'd have our dinner at Nedig's Orange Stand,
20 you know, between theaters. We'd rush out at five
21 o'clock or six 0 'clock, you know, and get something
22 to eat and rush to the next theater. But then the day
23 before, he said, well I think I've got some good
24 opportunities here. I think he had the opportunities
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emotionally, it had been very nice. Ah, as I look
back on it, it wasn't great. It was, it was just
okay. But since I'd had nothing, okay was better than
nothing. And so that was '58 I think we went back
there, so we had about a good year. And then I guess
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a lot of time rebuilding that. It had an upstairs and
a downstairs and I lived upstairs and rebuilt the
downstairs so that I could rent it out. It was my
first rental.
JD: Well, go on with San Francisco State.
ED: Oh, well I'm still at San Francisco State.
JD: Oh, you bought a house and you're a student?
ED: Well, I was making good money at KRON. I saved
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4 ED: No, no, I never starved. I was making a hundred
5 and twenty-five dollars a week in the mid •50s at KRON
6 and I never spent any 'cause I didn't have time. I
2 second half of my life. If it's the first third 3 ED: It could be the long thing now.
4 JD: You know, Yeah, I see, that's right, that's true.
5 And ah, there were ten of us in it, there was all of
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way to work. I was working split shifts so I don't
9 people who had done what you said, who had spent their
think I ate, I ate breakfast somewhere at a table, but
10 whole lives on their careers, plastic surgeons,
I never ate a lunch or dinner for months on end in a
11 college presidents, stock brokers, big timerestaurant or with people. I always ate in the car.
12 ED: I should have been much more successful if I'd
JD: You know, that is peculiar but there are a lot of
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people who do that.
14 JD: And what made it that worse was that at that
ED: I'll bet, I'll bet there's some anyway.
15 point in their lives, and I'm assuming that something
JD: No, I mean, a lot of people who so immerse
16 else happens to you in between then and now. But at
themselves in work that they have no time for intimate 17 that point in their lives, it was impossible for them
relationships. When - I was referred to one of those
18 to change their lives, to allow people to come into
groups following the death of my father and then the
19 them or to be intimate. So what happened, what I
demise of the relationship with Jonathan, I went to
20 discovered was I was, you know, coming from a
see a shrink for a while and he finally was not of
21 different sort of orientation, I would bop around like
much help but then he recommended this group. And 22 a little cocker spaniel and say well, let's all get
it's a group that Don Park has, you know, Loving
23 together for a potluck on Sunday or do this or that.
Someone Gay. And the group is meant for people who 24 They wouldn't do that.
admit to being in the second half of their life. I
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friends and they kept their lives ED: SO they were incurable then.
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ED: Oh my, well that's, well I don't think I was ever
that limited. I had a lot of acquaintances, but I
didn't have any intimate friends and I loved the
people that I was going to school with and worked
with. Love, I mean I loved the pattern, I didn't love
the people. I loved the pattern. I like being with
all these different people and I didn't know until
when, well I knew gradually but kept denying it over
the late '80s and '90s that this was going to end,
that I wasn't going to be able to work my - have my
acquaintance slash work world forever.
10: What happened to change that?
ED: Nothing. Nothing. I'm trying to change, well,
I'm not sure I'm trying to change it. I'm trying to
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'80s I thought I'm spending all my time working and
I'm not doing anything else. But then the, you know,
we have this, the consciences on your shoulder and so
one was saying but that's all right, you like the
people, you like what you're doing etc. This is good;
you've always done this. And then the other one on
the other shoulder was saying, yeah, but ah, what
about not working, what about finding stuff just to do
with folks? Well, I guess I didn't listen to that one
and I didn't, I didn't reach out for non-work related
associations. See, I have a nice family and I get
together with them probably every week. So that's
good. I have a sister and her husband, they have four
children and the four kids always 10: They're out here, I thought they were in
Delaware.
ED: Never been to Delaware.
10: Didn't they go back to Delaware? Didn't you say
she moved to Delaware and she had a baby and was
married, all within a year.
ED: Oh yeah, but, they cameback home. It was a Navy
assignment. No, they came back. They've been in
Redwood City and San Carlos all the time. So. And
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my whole life has been, well family life, has been
down there. It's been wonderful. They're still,
still close, but now one niece is in Bakersfield and
the other niece is in Phoenix, and so it's a little, a
little harder. But the others are still on the
Peninsula. So, I think that gave me a lot of family
support. But I guess I didn't need anybody, nothing,
nothing - the testosterone did not come to a boil. In
Japan I was working. I fell in love with Todsu but
he was straight and so I was just enjoying being with
him and his friends who are actors. And the whole
experience of living abroad and functioning in a
Japanese society and using Japanese. Sometimes for
weeks I wouldn't speak English until one day I ran
into Richard Nixon on the street and said hello. He
was betweenvice presidentand running for governor at
that point. But it was so interesting. I had to stop
and say he was a vice president. And I had to stop
and think in English, which was a real surprise for
me. Suddenly, what will I say? And all the time
before that I thought now what will I say in Japanese,
and here I had to think what will I say in English?
It was interesting. It was April I think, April of
'64. But anyway, I cameback in '65, '66. Todsu came
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to State, and he was Jack Cook's prime student in
mime. And he stayedand he was here about a year and
he went home. And hadn't met anybody '62 - '72 is
when I met Nick and before then it was all a kind of a
blur. I had no, I don't remember having sex with
7 anybody for those years.
8 10: But you finished, you finished college in '57.
9 ED: Well, I got by A.B. in '57; carried on with my
10 M.A.
11 10: In what?
12 ED: Theater arts.
13 10: It was in theater arts also.
14 ED: Finished that in
15 10: Specializing in?
16 ED: Just theater arts. Just a general, no specialty.
17 10: And you went to Big Sur and you were working
18 there or that was before?
19 ED: Finished my M.A. I took an inter - I took a
20 hiatus. I took a break in my M.A. in '59, went to
21 work for a year in Big Sur. Came back in 1960; didn't
22 like television anymore. I'd been outdoors for a
23 year. I mean, we're doing a film outside, the
24 Steinbeck story. Couldn't go back inside the studios
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3 country.
4 JD: But how
5 ED: I was staff tech and part-time and art part-time
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1 ED: Well, in Japan, in Medical School in Japan for
three months. So I kind of fell in love with the
did you know, I mean, what opportunities
did you see there in film?
6 ED: Just to study it. Again, no plan. I just, I,
7 materials and supplies and things like that. I really
7 remember Thurston Womack?
8 liked it, but I had my own private dark room in the
8 JD: Of course.
9 Arts and Industries Building, so I was, I was doing
9 ED: Yeah. Well, I knew he was in charge of the
10 the promotional photography for theater. And I had to 10 Fullbright Program, so I went to him and said how can
11 use the studio at night and we'd have the actors come 11 I, how can I get a sponsor to go to Japan. Somebody
12 in. And I'd process my own film, make my own prints,
12 said you need a sponsor and so okay. So I went up
13 and then somebody in Creative Arts would write the
13 there and he wrote to his friend, Mr. Mura, I can't
14 stories and we'd send out to newspaper. So that was
14 remember his first name 'causehe was always Mr. Mura
15 my sideline, as well as rebuilding my house on
15 to me, even though he's about my age. Ah, and he
16 Vicksburg Street, which I would do nights while I was 16 wrote to Mr. Muraand Mr. Mura said he would be glad
17 learning Japanese.
17 to sponsor me because Womack had sponsored Mura to
18 JD: Why were you learning Japanese?
18 come here, got his M.A. in Linguistics. And Mr. Mura
19 was working Mr. Sana who publishes forty percent of
19 ED: 'Cause I was going to, I was planning from 1960
20 to go to Japan.
20 the textbooks for junior high school students in
21 English in Japan, big market. And so Mr. Mura said he
21 JD: Why?
22 ED: 'Cause I'd been there and I told you in the '50s,
22 would sponsor me and so I went to Japan and had a
23 wonderful year and made, studied at Shoji Futsu. I
23 and it was a fascinating country to me. 'Cause I was
24 just went in the studios and introduced myself. Very
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sit around the desk with important people, that I
3 strong ones, and he would ask me this list. He'd have
wasn't going to get anything but tea.
4 a list of questions, sometimes two pages. But I
So I went to Shoji Fu Studios and they're connected
5 enjoyed it very much. And then Monday night I would
with the Kabuki Theater and Kanji, who had been to
6 go to Mr. Sana's house, he and his wife and his three
Northwestern and lectured there on Japanese cinema,
7 children and the maid, we would all have dinner in
excellent English, he said oh. See, he had ambitions
8 their kitchen (laughs) and then we'd go up to the of his own, things he wanted to do so he invited me to 9 one of the Japanese rooms and Mrs. Sana would the
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directors. One a pre-war director and one a post-war 11 go out to festivals and sometimes she had a seamstress
director. It was a wonderful education. I went on
12 make me a beautiful yukata, the dance yukata, the blue
location with them, stayed over there, paid my
13 and white yukata, and bought me the hat and the fan
expenses and hauled me out and hauled me back. What I
14 and taught me to do the - one of their rice dances.
needed I paid for myself. So I just, you know, I was 15 They were just wonderful people. And they did all
just lucky, I had people, I'd meet people and say what 16 this for me. They also gave me a place to live while
I wanted to do and they would say sure, come on, you 17 I was in Japan. Mr. Sana had a dormitory for his
know, and I experienced that so often. I tried not to
18 employees and the gave me a room. And I came to his
take it for granted, but I did have high hopes when I
19 house on Monday night and his English was fair and his
went there.
20 wife's was not very good, but we worked it out. I, I
But every Monday, Mr. Mura would meet with me in a 21 was going to school two times a week in English
coffee shop in Shinja Ku or some place like that, and 22 language, Japanese language courses so Tuesday and
he would ask me questions about English usage. He 23 Thursday, I was in class learning Japanese while I was
says, if I want to say this, would it be better to say
24 living there. And you need to do that. The stuff I
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2 needed colloquial Japanese. So that was a very
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4 And when I came back, I went to work for KR - KGO. I
5 was there for three years and I wasn't going to
6 school. I was just (laughs) I think I'd had enough
7 school for a while. And I was just, and that was a
8 good time.
9 JD: Meanwhile you had had the heartbreak of, what was
10 it the guy's name in Japan?
11 ED: Oh, it wasn't a heartbreak. No, I
12 JD: Wasn't it? Well, didn't you feel uninvited?
13 ED: No, I was, no, I was around him and we had a
14 really good friendship. No, I didn't need to have sex
15 with 16 JD: You didn't moon over the lack of a relationship,
17 an affair?
18 ED: No, no. Well, he camehere and lived in my house
19 for a year, you know? And so we had everything but
20 sex. We had breakfast together and sometimes dinner
21 together. He was busy at school. He had Japanese
22 friends; they'd come by. My house was his house, you
23 know? Mi casa su casa. It was sad when he went back
24 'cause I'd spent all of '63, '64, and then he came
25 over here for the - and then I came home in July or
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2 then was here for, I guess he was here in October, and
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4 So he was here for October to June the next year. So
5 I had two years close to him and that was very
6 fulfilling and I'd, I mean, fulfilling. Well, it was
7 good for me, it was good for me. But it wasn't sex.
8 But I guess, I don't remember, I don't remember
9 feeling the pangs of that because I didn't expect it
10 out of it. I met him and he introduced me to his
11 girlfriend the first or second time I met him. So
12 that's fine, I didn't, I didn't pursue him. I wasn't
13 fantasizing. So then where do we go? Seventy, 1972,
14 I'd been working from '66 through '93, I was working
15 for Sando's Pharmaceuticals as a contract film maker.
16 So in '66, in '72, I'm sorry, I had to do a project on
17 stress, dealing with stress, in this Hispanic
18 community in Los Angeles, Santa Fe Hills, I think. So
19 I was headed down there. But I went to see a camera
20 man about working for me on something else, and he was
21 just finished photographing this very beautiful tall
22 man named Nick.
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No, another one of those little things.
2 ED: Okay, so I guess we're recording. Now I feel
ED: Yeah, they're up on the counter.
3 better.
JD: And I should probably quit now and this might be
4 JD: This is June 4th I think.
a good place to start for the next session. Before I
5 ED: June 4th, 1996.
leave too, I need to call Lyndall here. Lyndall is
6 JD: Ah, where was it - you described ah, you
moving this morning. She called me while I was in the 7 described yourself as a person, you characterized
shower.
8 yourself as a person who has not had heavy physical or
(Recorder turned off. Recording resumes on June 4, 9 emotional romantic demands (laughs) or needs.
1996)
10 Considering the times, you know, in the last, in the
ED: One, two. Do you have ear phones? Do you want
11 last 25 years and considering the times of the last 18
to check?
12 with AIDS, it may have been a very good thing not to
JD: No, I don't.
13 be chasing around as many gay men were. But you were
ED: Let me get you some ear phones just so we can
14 going to talk then now, I think maybe, at least I
check. I'm sorry to be such a 15 sensed that you considered it a significant departure.
JD: You're okay.
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ED: I ah, hate, would hate to do this whole thing and
17 He got a hair ball? Or did he have sinuses?
then find out that it wasn't recording.
18 ED: No, I never. He's just excited.
JD: Yeah, right.
19 JD: A little asthma attack.
ED: Waste your time.
20 ED: I think so, a little excitement. You okay now?
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but I've had that happen where it wasn't when the
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(inaudible) wasn't working.
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two, three, four. How's that?
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1 decided - maybe I was emboldened by being in the
2 parade - but I hadn't really done anything aggressive.
3 So I think I was a little, my fires were up a bit from
me as a recordist and photographer. He was actually
4 being in the parade. And it was a wonderful feeling.
5 doing recording but he did some wonderful photographs
5 I don't know if anybody else in the world saw me in
6 on a project that I did in Los Angeles on stress for a
6 the parade but he did, and I saw him. And I just said
7 pharmaceutical company. And so it was a kind of way 7 at that time that I would (Interviewer interrupted
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9 don't know that we did much work after that. I think
9 10: A quarter of a million people probably did.
10 I might have hired him in '73, '74, but I think it was
10 ED: Yeah, yeah, it was the time whenit wandered down
11 in the parade, Gay Parade, the first one I went to in
11 Market Street and then through, through the
12 1975 with the late Mark Freedman who taught at San
12 neighborhoods. It was a strange route. We wound up
13 Francisco, taught psychology withJohn DeChecko at San
13 on Polk Street and at City Hall. It was not nearly as
14 Francisco State. They were kind of the odd couple and 14 well planned but I'm really glad that that day I
15 they had a lot of agreements and a lot of
15 walked that route and he was there.
16 disagreements (dog barks). Toby!
16 10: What year was that?
17 Ah, so Mark invited me along to the parade and I
17 ED: Seventy-five, 1975. So I decided that I would
18 thought oh, that's pretty bold, I've never really
18 not lose track of him and I don't remember what
19 marched in a parade. Gay people, I mean, you know, 19 happened but I think over the next - that was in
20 wore it on my chest as it were or wore it on my
20 June - over the next five or six months, I pursued him
21 sleeve. So I did, and in the parade I saw Nick and
21 I think. Made him, made it - I didn't know how to do
22 Flash, a friend of his whom I'd met once or twice over 22 that. I'd never pursued anyone. But I did all that I
23 the previous three years. And Nick looked just so
23 could to take him to coffee and get his opinion on
24 good in leather shorts and a tan leather top to match
24 things. And he's quite an artist and he, and we had
25 and he just looked really desirable. And I just
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of time at, what was then, a kind of a hippie
restaurant over on 16th and - it's now called the Port
Deli - it was 16th and Sanchez I think.
10: It was The Island.
ED: The Island, yes, thanks. A wonderful romantic
place, and we used to sit back on big pillow cushions,
you know, very '60s, bright pillows. Kind of a thrift
store India restaurant (laughs). And I guess it was
at that time, he said he'd like very much to get out
11 of his present living situation. He was in a loft
12 with Flash downtown and doing tee shirt printing and
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16 'cause I said well, I'm buying a house in Dubose
17 Triangle. I don't know why they call it that but
18 that's what it is. And I said I'm sure we could find
19 room for you. I would have found a room for him if
20 I'd had to throw out a tenant, you know? But I knew
21 that there was a place for him there. So he moved in
22 January, February, '76, and was there until August,
23 July, August '77, I guess, about a year and a half.
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room, and he could have anybody in there he wanted,
and I had my bedroom upstairs. And we would invite
each other to our personal bedrooms, and we'd have
maybe one meal a day together. And he worked with me.
We had a pretty nice trip to Texas and he did still
photography and sound for me there. He has a good ear
11 for sound so he was a good recordist. So it was nice,
12 it was easy to work with him and I've always liked
13 working with people I liked. That sounds circular,
14 doesn't it? But I've always, I think even when I went
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16 repertory company and I guess I didn't know in the
17 '60s fully what my needs were. But I think that's
18 what was behind it. I was looking for somebody to
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21 easy to work with, easy to be with. But we were not
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This is Friend A, and his Friend B. I've forgotten
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me to do some nude photographs of him, so I did. And
Nick was hanging out there. And as luck wouldn't,
shouldn't have it but does have it, Nick fell in love
with him.
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ED: B. The photo, the object of photo attention.
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whatever. Wanted to go to Hollywood, L.A., and so
Nick left and they spent ten years together before his name is Charles - now it just came back to me.
Charles died about three - gosh, how time goes by three or four years ago of AIDS. I guess I learned I think I learned from that experience that I wanted
that kind of special friendship. I like the affection
and intimacy, not that any of those should be a
surprise. But I had to learn it at age forty-five
because I really hadn't found anybody like Nick before
that and hadn't - as I think back - I'd had lots of
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then, and then I try to pick myself up. But as I get
older, it seems to take longer. But the pattern still
helps to deal with it. Well, I don't know what
happened, I had two (inaudible) since then. Well, I
kept, I was working and, of course, that was a busy
decade for me, the '70s. Ah, sexually, romantically,
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player, and he and he'd have various roommates as
usual and one roommate would stay longer times and a
third roommate would come and go, you know?
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the, not the, he wasn't a bass player.
ED: No, no (laughs) no bass player, the base tenant,
yeah. And Peter moved in upstairs and I thought he
was kind of cute and I think I've learned since that
how somebody looks has very little to do - not to
blame Peter - it just comes to mind that how somebody
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But Nick was, and still is, I think, a really deep
friend. If I needed his help or something he could
do, he would come, come to my aid I'm sure. But I
learned that I really liked his closeness and
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10 sex kind of got in the way. But then maybe every
11 relationship, I'm sure I've had two or three
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13 but I really found that I liked being with him,
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15 be something we had to set aside our other
16 relationship and do, and then get back to it. And I
17 found it not easy, not smooth.
18 So he left and I went into a couple days of fairly
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20 one day. I remember that day. My friends were
21 working with me and they tried to console me and I
22 just finally excused myself and went away that day.
23 The next day was rotten and I just said well, okay,
24 I'm all dried out now, I'm all teared out. So, you
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looks has very little to do with what kind of a person
And yet we seem to have grown up in a
period of looksism, which I attribute to advertising,
that if you - or the high school prom. You had to go,
even us gay people I think went with, we had to go
with an attractive date or we were dog meat, you know?
I don't know why that came up and in high school I
didn't question it. Now, I think it's nonsense.
But I also kind of feel sorry as I look around as I
looked around through the years at people I can see
and total very attractive guys and I suppose women
too. I don't observe them that much. And they seem
to be, well I don't know, they seemed to be liked for
their looks. And I think well, what are they going to
do when those fade? Fortunately, fortunately, I never
had to worry about that. But I, I kind of think about
people who are so attractive, they're so wanted on
this, you know, in this commercial market. Ah, but
Peter was, Peter was attractive and cute and bright.
He had a degree in Chinese, of all things, from
Princeton. But he didn't want to do it. I think he
must have been on a scholarship. He was very bright
and he could learn anything. Anyway, Peter moved in
upstairs and I asked Philip to introduce us one day,
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eventually Peter just, and maybe it was more curious
than anything, camedown for coffee and then he stayed
for dinner and then he stayed overnight. He never
moved downstairs, but he came down for a period in
'81, he'd come down every night, well almost every
night.
He was working in travel at the time, and since he'd
lived in France, he spoke - not since he lived in
France. He lived in France and spoke flawless French,
at least I thought flawless. And he had hopes of
going back to France. And he eventually did, and
that's where he lives. But we were, we were kind of
together a lot for - and I must have an 18-minute
timer on my personality, because - an 18-month timer because he, about 18 months after we'd met, he left,
but he left. I asked him at about, when, '82. We
went to France and Italy together. We had a wonderful
time. We had three weeks in France and Italy, and he
spoke Italian, or he learned it quickly. Anybody who
can learn Chinese and French can learn anything, I'm
convinced of that. And so he was the translator for
both France and Italy and so it made a real pleasant
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Mike worked for me from '84 to '93. He lives across
the street. He lived in one of my flats, the one I
used to live in when I met Nick. And he and his
roommates lived across the street and Mike worked for
me and he (inaudible), of course, and, but we never
had sex. We were just really good friends and I
thought well, and we had nine years of wonderfully
working together until I just, I didn't have any more
work. My clients moved on, retired. Their companies
got bought out by other (inaudible) companies so I had
no work and by '93 I was kind of glad of that.
But in '80, because of Mike, he dating somebody named
in Todd in, when, '86, and so somehow whenMike heard
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He said to me, dropped him like a hot potato. And ah,
Todd was a theater arts major and that's all I needed,
you know, I was always falling in love with actors.
And so I said, and he, Todd was talking to me about
the terrible roommate situation he had at Park Merced.
He thought it would be great going to school living
right there and he said he didn't like his roommates
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But we were not, on our trip and coming back, we were
not sexual anymore. And I take responsibility for
that, not necessarily credit, but it was about that
time that I was reading about this GRID and this gay
disease in New York, late '81, mid '82 or early '82,
and I thought what we're doing is really not safe. At
least what we were doing wasn't safe, very safe, for
me. Peter was somewhat safe, but since I wasn't
seeing anybody else and hadn't since Nick, I thought
he was pretty safe. Peter, on the other hand, was
seeing somebody in the East Bay which he said was a
friend in architecture. But he went there pretty
often and stayed overnight. And, of course, that old
thing comes up, you know, somebody stays with you five
nights a week, you want to know where the hell they
are the other two nights. And I had no, I didn't
think I had any right to ask that but, but I thought
about it and I thought about what I'd read and I could
not see Peter and 1- our personal lives are very
different, spending a lot of time together.
So after our trip, I kind of said well, I think I'd
like to, you know, be seeing some other people. I
mean, I might have thought that I really thought deep
down I wasn't going to see anybody else. I didn't
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I thought well, okay, he's bright and he's a lot of
3 fun, had a great body, and we were hitting it off as
4 good friends, so what, you know, what could one ask
5 for. So he lived here for about five months and left
6 in '86, May through, I've forgotten, October or some
7 time like that. And, until he met a boyfriend at the
8 gym, why I guess we slept together every night. And
9 that was a really nice time. Because as somebody
10 said, was it Ben, Benjamin Franklin said reasons for
11 choosing an older mistress, they're grateful. Ten
12 reasons for choosing an older mistress and finally,
13 they're grateful. And so I was grateful. I thought I
14 - yeah, I don't know what the other nine are. But I
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16 10: They're richer (laughs).
17 ED: Usually, yes, and they aren't being pursued by
18 someone else.
19 10: And it's not competitive, right (laughs).
20 ED: SO I think I was grateful and I think, and then
21 Todd and I got along pretty well. But he was twenty22 six or seven at the time and, what was I, forty-five.
23 I remember after he had met B or whatever his name
24 was, I've forgotten now, it'll come to me later, at
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was thirty years older than he. Thirty years, was I
really? Twenty-five, forty-five, no I was fifty-five,
that's right. So he said one night, really
plaintively, and it made me feel bad and good at the
same time, he said I really wish - he said oh, I'd
give anything if you were thirty years younger. So,
you know, how do you take that? Well,
9 10: What did he mean?
10 ED: 'Cause he liked me, but he didn't want me to be
11 fifty-five; he wanted me to be twenty-five.
12 10: But I mean, what did he, why?
13 ED: 'Cause then we could have been together. I think
14 he had already somebody who was twenty-five and
15 probably, at his age, he needed to have a peer and not
16 a dad or a grandfather, you know, by a stretch of the
17 imagination. But I don't know why I brought that up.
18 Just 'cause I remember it. It was kind of a nice
19 thing for him to say, except I couldn't help being my
20 age and he couldn't help being his, but I liked that.
21 10: But I just wondered what he meant, you know?
22 ED: Well, I don't know, but he was, it was really
23 fully meant and emotionally said.
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JD: Well, also, you know, he was so fond of
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10: More than a dozen (inaudible) children. He had
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JD: I don't know if I want to. It's like Gary Larson
(laughs) I love his cartoons. The only thing I want
to know is (inaudible)
ED: Meat is different (inaudible) I'd love to have
met him. Well, that's about it.
10: Well, okay then. Then that's sort of where ED: After October of 1986, you can hear the sound of
the wind in the desert.
10: But you talked about that - comment briefly on to
what extent it has, if it has, AIDS has affected your
life. You talked about some coincidences there. But
what other kinds of things, what difference, what
difference has it made to you?
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relatively how much, how little time we have relative
to if we were both twenty-five rather than sixty-five
because, you know, we wouldhave so much more time if
we were twenty-five. You can't resent that because
maybe the next ah, you know, if you're going to be New
Ageish, the next thirty years was necessary to prepare
you for this one.
ED: Yes, in retrospect.
9 10: But this is what I wonder what he meant was
10 because of the differences in your age, the
11 relationship was already had a cap on it of some sort
12 (laughs). At the same time, you know, there are - I
13 have met people. This has been a fairly new
14 experience of people ah who like much older people.
15 You know, 25-year-olds who like 55-year-olds.
16 ED: Send them around.
17 10: (laughs) Right. Who like 55-year-olds.
18 ED: Yeah, well we're not a bad sort, actually.
19 10: (laughs) Yeah, 'cause we're grateful.
20 ED: We're grateful, right. I'll have to look up
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lost six friends, three of whom I had done, Brandy
Moore and Ken Dixon and several other people - are
people I had worked with and would have worked with on
gay-lesbian theater or political projects. And I just
felt like the big weed cutter in the sky was coming
around and I was standing there all by myself and all
the other flowers around me were being cut down, yeah.
And I don't know that I've gone through the survivor
guilt but I have - because I think I'd like to take
credit, back in '82, for having changed my ways. Ah,
but I still feel strange being - well, I'm very
fortunate to be alive, so I don't, I don't, this is
not said with any regret but I'm angry that the
disease came along and we know so little about it and
that's another issue. And we've done so little about
it and that's another issue.
But in 1984 I knew, by 1984 I knew that the world had
suddenly changed for me. I didn't know how serious it
was going to change and it was because of AIDS and it
took away people who would have affected my life. I
don't know that Artie Bresson and I probably would
have been making some films together. I don't know if
I'd be sitting here now talking to you because it
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friends are lost and I learned to try to be a
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6 Jack Adams, some other people. Taking friends to
6 designed commercial things and his last job was ah 7 movies like Mark. We had a brief affair in '70, '80
7 Rex was 55 when he died. Ah, his last job was the
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8 main headquarters bank for the Bank of Hawaii, a
9 I guess, I guess when I think of the world without
9 building of seven stories occupying a full block.
10 these people, you know, you read about how AIDS has 10 Well, it used 54 different wall coverings. Well, you
11 affected the theater and the ballet and the music
11 can't get and, you know, when you do that, it took
12 world and it's very true. I mean, I can say that the
12 twelve years because they had to tear down that city
13 world of the future will be missing some heart and
13 block, you know, to build it.
14 talent. We should be angry just at that if not just
14 ED: I remember when that went up.
15 the public health factors of it.
15 10: Oh do you?
16 10: Well those are the types of people that sort of
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17 angers me most 'cause I think it is homophobic because 17 10: Well, you see, you don't, people coming straight
18 of the cost. That angers me that we never figure into 18 out of a design school can't do a project of that
19 the equation. We talk about the hospital bills. We
19 size, so I think those are the costs when you mention
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23 Maybe it's Francini, anyway, an Italianish name - at
23 losses, Michael Taylor or, you know?
24 the San Francisco Foundation. She was looking
24 ED: Bennett.
25 particularly, she wanted to fund a project for people
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another ten years. You know, we're right now at the
age where our friends should be dying. We weren't ten
5 years ago and so we were accelerated. My physician
6 who retired, couldn't stand it any longer, Tom
7 Ainsworth, said that the difference it's made in his
8 practice is he didn't, he didn't, it didn't, his
9 patients didn't all die, but most physicians expect
10 their patients to be twenty years, one way or another,
11 of themselves. What happened was he lost the lower
12 twenty years, so his patients are all older.
13 ED: Who had missed the epidemic.
14 10: Yeah, yeah, who were just, you know, just old
15 enough to be settled and doing other things than
16 running around in South of Market. And so they were
17 spared. But he knows that in his, he had this strange
18 skew then of his patients.
19 ED: Ithink there's another reason that some of us
20 have been spared and I think I touched on it is that
21 we can project bad news into dangerous behavior. We
22 can read and project the consequence of making of
23 errors though unsafe behavior whether it's driving an
24 unsafe car or having unsafe sex and I think younger
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so I feel very beneficial in that way. I can avoid
5 most things because I know from whence they come. And
6 if I get them, I know the treatment. But I don't
7 think many people know what you and I know about that
8 and I think that we still are lemmings flying to the
9 sea and we're all racing out there desperately trying
10 to have a good time and I don't blame people for that.
11 Our only hope of surviving and not duplicating the
12 fall of the Roman Empire is to find out how to protect
13 ourselves and, after that, have a good time. I think
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15 10: And young people, of course, don't.
16 ED: No, but it doesn't mean they can't. And I think
17 we've thrown up our hands and said well we, you know,
18 we won't put any, I mean, we, you and I would but, our
19 government agencies are dedicated to research and
20 that's wonderful. I'll get off my soap box, but we
21 are dedicated to self preservation, we're dedicated to
22 teach young people to take care of themselves.
23 There's no evidence of that, you know, in the last
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commercials about that now, but you have to pay, I
guess, dearly to get in on the secrets. There are no
secrets. You just, you just get your first house, and
work hard to make it worth more and sell it. And get
another one and that's a very old principle of
personal fortitude and achievement and focus. And I
bought my first house for - I took out a personal loan
from my credit union and bought a house in the
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6 dropped out at seventh or eighth grade. There's no
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because I was tired of going to the country all the
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know, a little more sheetrock in the spare bedrooms,
you know, fix the toilet, unplug the wire. So after
three years, I'd had enough of country living and sold
and bought my first house in San Francisco and, of
course, 1960 was no better time to get into real
estate. And you couldn't lose money. Ah, your house
could burn down and you get more for it than you paid
for it. And I was, I had an adequate income and I
could put most of my fund - I couldsave my money and
put it in a house etc., and then I bought another and
another and, I guess, finally in '70, I realized that
I've had two, actually it was before that. I bought a
house in '69, '70, just for rental purposes and it
made so much money and appreciated so fast. Mostly,
the house wasn't great, but just the appreciation, you
know, inflation. Dropping value of the dollar and
increasing value of real estate. And I sold that and
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in, but I would also know the difference between doing 6 didn't live in buildings in which I had tenants and my
my own work, which is like painting or, you know,
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fixing this or fixing that, and having a new bathroom
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put in or that, or a new whatever, you know, or have
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this wall fixed. Then I would hire professionals.
10 ED: Well good luck. Well, I auditioned them
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do to make property worth more, and when to call the 12 into my house.
right person. That's a part of learning about real
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14 how they lived.
And so, it just grew like Topsy and ah, and ah, my
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theory is now, never sell - I tell my sister's
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children, never sell California real estate, trade it
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up if you want, but don't, don't get rid of it. Trade
18 ED: You've had, how have you had bad luck.
it, you know, trade it so when - don't sell it for
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far as we know, there isn't any more of it on this
23 my leases, I say that this is for two people and if
earth. Certainly not in this city.
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JD: See, I had a house, I had a, I first started here
in The City with flats at 1517 States Street, and
that's where I should have stayed. Then I fell in
love and moved to 69 Beaver Street.
ED: That's not very far.
JD: No, I had sold the two-flat building.
ED: Oh, I see.
JD: Then I, didn't count.
ED: (laughs)
JD: Well, also at the same time, I bought a six-unit
place at 23rd and South Van Ness.
ED: (Talking to the dog) Toby, are you okay? Toby.
He's got something in his throat. Are you okay? 23rd
and South Van Ness.
JD: I had six units there. Well, it was finally, it
was terrible.
ED: That's a dangerous number of units.
JD: Why?
ED: Well, in my real estate cruising, says it's hard
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Yeah. And I've had good and bad tenants. I had
2 one for eleven years who finally turned out to be bad.
I inherited him and it was my fault. I was dumb. He,
shortly after I moved there, he was thrown from his
jeep and bashed his brains out. And so I never raised
his rent hoping that he would get himself together.
And then eight or nine years later, I encouraged him
8 to move in with his boyfriend. But I mean, and there
9 is a tenant mentality, you know, finally, they
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12 ED: Yeah, you're my friend. How can you do this?
13 JD: And ah, that's the way he was after not having
14 raised his rent in ten years, and he left the place a
15 shambles. So I've had some of those.
16 ED: Yeah, the inherited tenants are the hardest. I
17 inherited this second floor here when I moved in. But
18 he died and then his lover, his roommate died. He
19 died, etc. etc., so I'm on the third generation in
20 twenty years. But it's a good third generation, a
21 goodarrangement, but I could have gone the other way.
22 JD: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've had friends, you know, I
23 don't know if met Otto and Dick. They own a IS-unit
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wasn't good enough. But at any rate, so not living
there, I couldn't watch. You know, I wouldn't know
that you rented to two people and you got six and
just, the building took a hell of a lot of wear and
tear. And they would leave in the middle of the night
and, you know, and it was just. Finally, what broke
my back with it was I always get up early, when I
would start waking up at 3:30 or 4:00 o'clock and not
getting up and going to work but, rather, just lying
there worrying.
ED: Oh.
JD: And then when I finally was, I was just tired. I
was standing on a corner outside a building in which I
didn't live, waiting for a plumber who didn't show up
(laughs). You know the routine and so I said,
(laughs) I don't want to do this. And so I got rid of
that building and then, let's see, what did I do next?
Oh, then I sold Beaver Street and then from Beaver
Street to a year later, moved into my current
building, which is a, it's a house with a one-bedroom
unit down off the side of the hill.
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12 and Dick and with Marge and Susan. They both had
13 (inaudible) and it was just hell to get rid of the
14 drug dealers, hell to get them out.
15 ED: I've heard that.
16 JD: Cost you five, six thousand dollars. Now, living
17 in the building is so much, you can be so much more
18 watchful.
19 ED: Well, where you are, yeah. You don't try to be
20 watchful, but you are.
21 JD: Sure, 'cause it's your own.
22 ED: And they know that. They probably know that
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did say that you should live close, you should not get
more than four units. The city treats three and up as
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7 units before I owned a house, and I had seen how
8 people, I don't know, the landlord became the devil.
9 The landlord became faceless, oh, he doesn't exist or
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12 people can make of the absentee landlord. I have one
13 right next door who's just like that. But he is a
14 demon (laughs). He's every, he's a slum lord and he
15 owns, I understand, twenty buildings around town and
16 on all of them are just barely served, you know,
17 barely taken care of. So he's what gives the rest of
18 us a bad name. He also teaches tenants to take
19 advantage. And we didn't invent it, but we inherited
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21 10: Yeah, well, you know, that's so with Lyndall.
22 ED: How is it so? Does she own the building?
23 10: No, no, no, she's a tenant the landlord wants to
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Uh uh. And it was very - Lyndall had lived there
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12 10: Oh well, I mean, that she didn't belong there.
13 Her name wasn't on the lease.
14 ED: Oh, actually wasn't?
15 10: Actually wasn't. Lyndall's contention was that
16 she and Priscilla had registered as domestic partners
17 and so it was not a sublet. So that was the wrangle.
18 But over the last couple years, the landlord was just
19 horrible. You know, I mean, he was homophobic (phone
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23 ED: 'Cause I probably need some financial advice. My
24 brother-in-law's brother and lives in Hawaii but he
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to - 'cause he understands what we're all doing. And
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receives all these benefits. Anyway.
10: I have a little outline here sort of summarizing
the things, I mean, I've touched on. We've discussed
it a little bit but what, in general, do - at this
point in your life on a scale of one to ten for
happiness, where do you consider yourself? Ecstatic?
Deeply depressed?
ED: Do I have a choice of others?
10: Something in between those. No, I've given you
the two extremes.
ED: Well, I would say somewhere in between. I was
alerted to this trap of - the happiness trap some
years ago. Somebody said ah, we French, we always
get good advice, I think, from the French, we French
think of happiness as moments in our lives. It's not
a steady state. And I think that helped me. At least
it gave me an out. It relieved me of wondering if I
was happy and whatever that meant, was I as happy as
somebody else? Which would be impossible to put on a
scale. You know, what is happiness to anybody, you
know, unless you had a twin perhaps, you know, with an
identical upbringing. My happiness fluctuates every
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way I brought myself up, I think it, it depends on if
I'm involved in something with people. I can get
involved with something on my own easily, a dozen
things I could do. But I don't really enjoy so much
now doing things on my own so I enjoy projects with
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8 happiness. I'm enjoying this work shop that I'm
9 planning for next year and grateful that I have ten
10 months to do it in.
11 10: And Stonewall.
12 ED: Well, Stonewall?
13 10: The alumni association.
14 ED: Yeah. No, no, if we're talking about happiness
15 (laughs) it doesn't qualify.
16 10: No, but are you enjoying it? You're not hating
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18 ED: No, but somewhere in the middle. Where does
19 frustration come in in the middle of that scale? I'm
20 finding it frustrating, I'm finding it like a lot of
21 things. It's a great idea but it's, but it doesn't,
22 it's not happening.
23 10: I don't know why quite either. Ah.
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ED: The number you have on a list I don't think has
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ED: Oh, actually show up?
JD: You know, on the various committees and that sort
of thing.
ED: I don't know But I do know that there is,
there's a strikingly small number of people in any
organization who do most of the work, and that's
because if you're lucky enough to get a few people
together who are dedicated and interested in what
you're doing, I don't think it matters if you're doing
philosophy or astronomy, I think, or making
toothpicks, I think you have to find a nucleus of a
few people who care about what's going on. And I
don't think we have (Interviewer interrupted Narrator)
JD: See, on my side, one of the alumni businesses are
mostly, when I started being here, are pretty much ad
hoc. I can get very involved in your project for the
new scholarship, but most of the alumni association
stuff is not a very high priority for me, like parties
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12 ED: Is it?
13 JD: Maternal grandmother.
14 ED: Well, she was very strong and I think she kind of
15 worried herself to any early grave - well she was 72
16 but I think she could have been alive today if she had
17 known a couple of things. But I don't know if it's a
18 good thing to live a long time or bad. I won't know
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24 live here. I've thought about that and fine. I think
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if I had the time but it's not something that I, that
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3 ED: Or you'd go to meet somebody who you should meet
4 and that might be a good job opportunity, sort of
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6 JD: Yeah, yeah, yeah. What of your, how do you
7 imagine spending the rest of your life, pretty much as
8 you are now? Is that what you want it to be like?
9 ED: I thought a lot about that recently because I
10 realize that I - I - the tide does not wash up
11 interesting things into beach of my life, to twist a
12 metaphor. I get, to carry on the beach metaphor, I
13 usually get what I swim out after and drag back in.
14 (laughs) Don't you like that?
15 JD: I saw this morning, in this morning's paper there
16 was a story of a family, a little girl was washed
17 overboard off the coast.
18 ED: Oh, I read that. Somebody on a surfboard went
19 out to rescue her.
20 JD: Yeah, four other members of the family jumped in
21 after her, and they were all caught in the undertow
22 andwould haveall been drowned. Butone surfboarder,
23 I guess, was the lead surfboarder and he recruited
24 some others and they went out on their surfboards and
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passive sedentary so I can do that pretty well.
Apparently, we all can. But I'm, I'm thinking I need
to design and go out and get, as I told you, anything
I've gone after I've gotten. Things I didn't, didn't.
Makes sense. So I have to design an activity program.
JD: Well now, volunteering, you know, both of us are
doing that.
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17 ED: No. No, doing some things that require physical
18 energy. I walk downtown a lot. It's two miles, for
19 those of you are listening.
20 JD: That's like a gymnasium.
21 ED: Yeah. Well, I think, yeah, I think. I have, you
22 know, a stationary bike but it just seems dumb to have
23 energy, I'll do it, but it seems dumb to be churning
24 up this energy for no purpose. But my walking
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4 period of time. Now that's the kind of activity I
5 mean. I'm finding volunteering, I'm a member of the
6 Human Rights Commission, I think I'm going to have to
7 drop out. I don't see any role for me there. I don't
8 know like to be just a name on a list. I was a member
9 of the Telecommunication Policy Committee for two
10 years. I was a name on a list. I did some
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13 ED: They'd meet, but I'm not content with sitting
14 there for two hours and considering that I've
15 fulfilled my duty. And see maybe I should be more
16 aggressive and speak out or object or go in with a
17 sheaf of ideas but these two particular groups that I
18 volunteered to join, I guess I picked incorrectly.
19 Well, I did do one project at the TPC but ah, but it
20 came to naught, it came to nothing. I did the
21 research, gave my report and it came to nothing. So I
22 thought that that would be good. I joined the
23 political organization twenty years ago, and that got
24 eventually taken over by some lawyers. So I figure if
25 anything really works well, within the year there
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take it over. Because anything that lawyers don't
want to take over, obviously, has no future value.
4 JD: How long have you been on the Human Rights
5 Commission?
6 ED: About three months.
7 JD: Oh, well maybe you don't know yet.
8 ED: I know, I know. I've been on it a long time.
9 JD: That's something that people 10 ED: They are all very active and that's good, but you
11 see it comes down to, I don't have anything, I don't
12 have any complaints, I haven't been abused. As far as
13 I know, I've never been ah stigmatized, harassed, not
14 given opportunity, but being white male and growing up
15 at the time that I did, compared to the young people,
16 they have led a charmed life. It's like the people
17 around me falling from AIDS, the people around me
18 having all kinds of (inaudible) and I don't have any.
19 When people get together, they have got good things to
20 complain about. I have nothing to complain about.
21 I'm healthy, but my own hand, by my own intention, and
22 I'm okay. Then part of that I take credit for, part
23 of is luck of the draw. So maybe I'm not appropriate
24 for that committee because the people down there are
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ED: From the '40s? Not McLuhan?
JD: No, no, newspaper journalist.
ED: James Agee?
JD: Anyway he said that, no, anyway this guy said in
one of his essays that ah one of the problems with
most of us is that we don't have any burning issues,
whereas the fanatic, you know, have their guts being
chewed out, you know, so that, you know, who was the
little boy with the fox under his tunic? That
happens, they're just being eaten away every day. So
the people that you're talking about on the HRC are
apparently the people who have a fox under their
tunic. And lacking that ED: And we're fortunate to have them.
JD: True. We're fortunate to have a whole bunch of
them with different points of view (laughs) because
we've had enough Pat Buchanan. He had a fox under his
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ED: I worked through that whole era. I had nothing
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JD: But you didn't work for the government?
ED: That was in the '50s. No, I was in television.
Didn't work for the government until '63 and I worked
at San Francisco State which is a pretty, you know,
benign organization - '60 to '63. Theater arts, you
know, that was pretty good.
JD: Well, you know, but, you know, I don't know
whether you did know. Ah, Stuart Loomis, who was
originally hired at San Francisco State as the head of
the Counseling Center.
ED: No, I didn't know that.
JD: And, of course, all staff or administration at
those levels have a fallback position in teaching. J.
Paul Leonard, who is, you know, the one who
established more than anything else, the changing
nature of San Francisco State after the '50s.
Essentially removed him, fired him, because he had
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2 JD: Oh, J. Paul was not a social liberal at all. He
2 a, remember, Lily Tomlin said the same thing when they
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6 ED: Oh, he was out of the last century.
6 was, considered her pushy. And she said she wasn't
7 JD: On his last trip, now his last trip would have
7 really pushy, her ideas were just better, you know?
8 been, oh golly, about fifteen years ago, he came to
8 Oh let's see.
9 San Francisco State. Now some time after 1987, but
9 ED: She also said one time that ah, my mommy has a
10 before 1889, 1989 was his 84th birthday or something, 10 wonderful friend and she's lesbian. And so, when I
11 so he would have been about 74 or 75. And Bernice's 11 grow up, instead of being Edith Ann, I'm going to be
12 job at that point was, and Erwin Sidell, she was
12 Lesbi Ann (laughs). Closest she ever came to coming
13 essentially the under, she was the dean of
13 out.
14 undergraduate studies and (inaudible), because she
14 JD: Well, no, you know, now she's, of course, very
15 had been in the English Department, knew him. She
15 out. I mean, very out and out on the stage. And
16 made sure that on her desk was a picture of her with
16 welcomes her partner and director, you know, to share
17 her four children (laughs).
17 the credits with her.
18 ED: (laughs) good for her.
18 ED: Not as much as Martina does.
19 JD: Oh yeah, he was not a, he was not a social
19 JD: Oh, okay.
20 liberal. You know, we get people like that. We get
20 ED: She's still afraid of it. So, I kind of like her
21 people like Eric Solomon who talked this great liberal 21 anyway. I met her one time, '77, yeah.
22 JD: She's going to migrate here, I think, considered
22 gait but he's really an elitist, he's an egalitarian
23 some of the Will Rogers of the contemporary world.
23 of the worst kind. He - he believes he knows better
24 ED: She is wonderful. Her In Search of Intelligence
24 and so he can make your decision for you.
25 ED: Like William F. Buckley.
25 in the Universe, I saw it both on stage in L.A. with
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2 JD: Well, I haven't seen the film. I saw it on stage
3 here.
4 ED: It's on video. You ought to look at it.
5 JD: But the year that when she first did that, when
6 it appeared in Broadway, I read, at least, I think,
Pauline Kale or someone in the New Yorker saidthat as
far as they were concerned, that was all that was on
9 Broadway. It was just, just so much better than
10 anything else.
11 ED: Yeah, I've never seen a one-person show so full,
12 so fast.
13 JD: One more thing. If you were to offer some advice
14 or some information or some, you know, bon mots for,
15 if you thing about it. See, I think of these tapes as
16 being valued, not for another hundred years, but for
17 the person in 2096, what would you tell that person in
18 2096 if the way to live the good life, or the way to
19 live humanely or the way to live wisely or whatever.
20 What advice, you know, of all the kinds of stuff that
21 you've done in your life of being slapped back and
22 forth by the waves on the beach, to push that
23 metaphor.
24 ED: I don't know what the value system will be in
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2 that's so humane that you think.
3 ED: I see. This is for historical perspective from
that point of view. Well, I don't know what'll work.
I can't give advice. I guess what I've enjoyed is
learning. Busy making a living, I suppose, is
important but as I get older, I think learning is my
favorite pastime. It's my favorite thing to do. I'm
9 not sure what to do with it. When I was young going
10 to school, I learned in order to do something better
11 or to get ajob or to do my job better, and maybe
12 that's still true, but I don't have to have a direct
13 application. I like reading, I like learning, I like
14 talking to people, listening to people and putting
15 things together.
16 2S2:5OO-573
17 In a hundred years, I suppose learning, the brain will
18 still be functioning but I imagine our ways of
19 learning things will be different. I hope they're
20 more efficient. Reading is wonderful but it's still a
21 very slow way. Ah, listening is the most enjoyable
22 way of learning, listening to other people or music or
23 theater is still the most enjoyable way of learning.
24 Except there's still too many people on earth and
25 there'll be a survival of the fittest in a hundred
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years and I think he who learns the most practical,
2 the fastest, will be at the top of the heap, if
3 there's some leveling off of the population. But then
4 in the next hundred years, I think it will be easier
5 to live but there'll be a great deal more expected of
6 people. I don't think we think and expect enough of
7 each other at this time. I think the people of this
8 country have suffered from the independence spirit,
9 the need to achieve, be successful, self-supporting,
10 self-sufficient, all of that is good.
II But when I look at villages that I used to visit in
12 Japan just thirty years ago, primitive but modem at
13 the same time. I mean, they had television and
14 telephones and cars and all that, but these little
15 villages were really an inter-dependent and had
16 extended families and everybody knew and cared for
17 each other. And I'm sure they do in this country. I
18 just haven't spent time in them and they would not
19 have seemed so unique to me, if I had visited a little
20 town in South Dakota as opposed to a little village in
21 Dihisu Peninsula of Japan. It's probably easier to
22 see the differences in another culture. And I envy
23 the people who have the compound. I think it's what
24 the Mormons contributed to themselves, at least the
25 most when they moved to the Utah Valley, Salt Lake
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2 helped each other. And I - I think in 1996 I think
3 that's the most, what I enjoy the most is helping
4 other people because that helps me. I don't - it's
5 not reciprocal exactly but it's important to me. It's
6 just emotional responses - I don't have a better
7 rationalization for it.
8 JD: Well, I consider myself mostly nurtured (both
9 speak at once).
10 ED: That's why you're in the profession you're in. I
II think that's why teachers become teachers and nurses
12 become nurses and all the helping professions, and we
13 don't count them up very often.
14 JD: And it's cynical to call that co-dependency.
15 It's really very cynical. You know, it's very that
16 we're fond of saying that that's a co-dependency
17 because you're trying to help someone. I understand
18 the argument, you know, out of special education. You
19 don't help someone who's better off than you are. I
20 understand that argument very well. See, the blind
21 dealt with that in the early fifties, the paternalism
22 that went with, that went with gift. No, I don't
23 think, that I don't think, you know, I think that
24 motive does not need to be paternalistic. Okay, well,
25 let's go to lunch (laughs).
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'76 (1)
'77(3)
-##1 (1)
1:5
#400(1) 1:3
#96-17 [1)
1:8
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$4.50[1)
$7.50(1)
4:6
20:12
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'42[2)
'45[5)
36:17
36:17
39:15 43:15
'47[1) 48:14
'48[1) 48:14
'49 (1) 64:9
'50 [2) 50:5
'50s[6) 71:5
105:14 106:4
124:23
'51 [3) 50:19
50:22
'52[1) 53:8
'53 (3) 50:21
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'54[2) 50:24
'55[3) 60:12
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'56[1) 66:7
'57[4) 66:1
76:8
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'58[3) 65:10
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'59[3) 60:14
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'60[2) 77:2
'60s [8) 45:4
45:10 45:10
87:13
87:8
'62[1) 76:4
'63[4) 77:2
124:10 124:12
'64[3) 57:16
81:24
'65 (1) 75:25
'66[3) 75:25
82:16
'67[11 70:17
'69[1) 106:21
'70[4) 15:3
106:19 106:21
'70s (1) 91:10
'72[2) 76:4
1910[2) 18:3
1917[1) 6:7
1929[3) 1:7
89:2
126:21
'80[2) 95:14
'80s [3) 3:15
101:7
73:20
74:3
2:2
2:3
2:4
-''30S[1)
'35[1)
'37[1)
'40s [3J
85:10
85:10
87:22
87:23
36:18
38:9
43:25
50:18
77:22
124:9
50:21
'81 [3)
93:7
101:8
93:18
95:1
94:5
'84[1) 95:3
'86[2) 95:)5
'90s (1) 73:20
'93 (3) 82:14
95:13
'96(1) 14:23
94:5
)00:11
96:6
95:3
'Cause(13)
10:15
42:2
17:18 37:9
57:24 77:19 77:22
77:23 97:10 97:13
105:4 107:20 114:23
69:21
'clock [1)
'Course [1)
23:15
's [1)
45:7
'til (1) 60:13
-.-
.417 (1) 29:15
000-099[2)
1:11
1:12
66:1
66:3
65:10
124:12
45:10
65:15
88:17
81:24
75:25
1 [4)
70:14
10[3)
35:25
102:3
50:7
101:7
82:16
1949[1)
1950(1)
1953(2)
1955(1)
1960(3)
50:5
6: 18
60:6
106:1
76:21
1:19
20:13
1963(1)
1968(1)
1972(2)
1975 [2)
1980(1)
1984[2)
1986[1)
1987[1)
1989[1)
1996[4)
57:16
6: 13
82:13
85:12
91:11
100:18
99: 17
125:9
125:10
1:15
84:5
130:2
1997[1) 29:24
1998(1) 29:24
19th [2) 10:4
1:11
1:14
181:100-199 [1)
10th (1) 50:24
11 (1) 35:6
12 [1)
35:6
15-unit [1)
1517[1) 109:7
15th (1) 63:3
16(2) 14:18
16th [2) 87:3
17[5) 46:11
35:25
181:300-399 (1)
50:9
181:400-499 [1)
19:10
55:3
28:3
31:18
181:700-712 (1)
35:12
36:1
5 [3)
9:16
60:23
77:19
127:25
21st [1) 28:21
23 [1) 54:25
23rd [2) 109:16 109:18
24(1) 55:1
24th (1) 55:3
25[2) 68:22 84:11
25-year-old (1) 68:22
25-year-olds [1)
98:15
85:3
86:17
100:18
25th [1) 52:23
27[2) 58:1
64:5
27th (2) 64:3
64:5
28[1)
1:15
2nd [2) 52:24 52:24
281:000-099 [1)
70:16
83:10
281:100-199 (1)
77:3
281:200-299(1)
82:23
17:20
281:300-399 [1)
87:14
50:2
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51 (1) 27:10
54 (1)
102:10
55[2) 29:9
102:7
55-year-olds[2)
98:15
59 [1)
98:17
29:11
-660 (1)
62[4)
29:1
63[6)
28:25
29:14
66 (1)
69(2)
29:11
6:25
29:8
28:21
29:1
28:23
29:1
1:21
26:13
109:9
28:22
-77[3)
50:3
73:6
73:10
72 (1)
119:15
74 (1)
125:11
75 (1)
125:11
777-5455 [1)
1:5
281:400-499 [1)
-8-
91:14
281:500-599 [1)
281:600-699 [1)
99:9
281:700-707 (1)
8[2)
84th (1)
8:30 (1)
8th [1)
51:7
50:3
125:10
80:25
28:18
9[3)
51:7
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282:000-099 (1)
282:100-199(1)
108:4
282:200-299 [1)
114:10
282:500-573 [1)
182:200-299 (1)
84:11
182:300-399 [1)
18-minute (1) 93:15
18-month (1) 93:16
1860's(1)
13:12
1869(1) 15:21
1875[1) 13:4
1889[1) 125:10
1895[1) 14:22
182:400-499 (1)
53:18
94103 [1)
973[1) 1:3
= [2)
63:7
182:600-699 (1)
1:4
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1:12
128:16
-336(1) 29:15
36th (1) 28:25
3:30 [1) 110:11
-AA's [1)
A.B[l)
a.m [1)
able (5)
32:2
-4-
58:9
182:500-599 [1)
73:6
73:10
282:300-399 [1)
42:17
66:20
84:5
50:8
182:100-199 [1)
48:17
93:17
29:14
131:1
2096(3) 127:17 127:18
9:22
119:20
182:000-099 [2)
1:12
1:9
102:3
102:4
181:600-699 [1)
65:12
87:4
46:12
63:24
84:4
101:22
181:500-599 [1)
111:23
2[6)
95:17
13:21
4th [2)
-5-
-270:14
131:1
106:13
23:22
17th (1) 64:3
18[3) 29:16
82:14
20:12
6: 11
37:11
41:14
8:18
181:200-299 [1)
51:7
50:23
1935(2)
1939(1)
1942(1)
1945(1)
1948[3)
7:19
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20:8
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49:10
'82 (5)
54:21
60:11
65:21
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#1 - Absolutely
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415[1)
44(1)
4:00 [1)
83:9
1:5
52:18
110:11
89:5
76:9
50:2
17:16
73:21
above(1)
abroad [1)
absent(2)
27:15
109:1
63:3
75:13
3:8
3:10
absentee [1)
113:12
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Abstention [1)
abstention (1)
abstentions [1)
abused (4)
30:19
30:17
30:20
3:14
3:20
122:12 124:2
accelerated [1] 103:5
accept [1)
51:10
39:24
accepted (1)
115:1
accounts [1]
129:9
achieve (1)
achievement [1)
105:23
73:22
acquaintances [2]
73:13
89:25
active [2]
88:23
122:10
activity (7)
12:13
12:16 120:5 120:6
120:11 120:14 121:4
89:13
actor (3) 58:5
89:13
40:10
actors ['I
40:11 66:11 75:12
77:11 95:20
ad [1)
117:21
101:6
Adams [1]
add [1] 29:14
26:13
address (4)
110:3
61:23 73:1
adequate [1]
106:16
administration [1)
124:19
admired (1)
admit (1)
adolescence [1)
adult (3) 24:1
11:9
71:25
58:22
24:24
25:10
adulthood [1)
adults (3)
18:17
afternoons [1) 52:19
Again [1)
78:6
again (2)
6:2
27:12
age (14) 11:15
28:7
38:2
97:15
103:4
12:14
123:10
14:18
38:1
89:22
98:10
aged (1)
Agee[l)
Ageish[l]
agencies (3)
58:23
18:13
18:20
advantage (1) 113:19
advertising (1) 92:3
advice [5]
114:23
115:17 127:13 127:20
128:5
affair (2)
81:17
101:7
affect (1)
30:1
99:20
affected [3]
100:21 101:11
88:25
affection (3)
89:20 90:7
afford [2]
11:12
25:6
afraid (2)
31:19
126:20
21:3
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afternoon [2] 37:13
37:16
12:17
36:23
78:15
97:20
123:25
98:6
59:25
52:5
agents [1)
ages [1] 124:3
aggressive ['I 3:23
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121:16
ago [12] 4:12
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28:5
100:1 101:8
115:16 121:23
129:12
8:15
86:2
67:3
10:19
89:18
103:5
125:8
72:6
agree [1]
agreements (1) 85:15
aid [1) 90:5
84:12
AIDS (8)
89:18 99:20
101:10 114:8
122:17
100:20
119:4
Ainsworth (1)
air [1] 58:18
airplanes [1)
alerted (1)
Alexander [1)
aligned [1)
alive (4) 64: 17
103:7
15:4
115:15
114:5
54:11
100:13
107:21 119:16
allegedly (1)
allow [2]
111:25
72:18
73:3
allowance (3)
almost
(11)
3:24
52:20
65:13
97:1
29:2
58:3
66:24
alone [1)
along [7]
50:17
85:17
37:13
37:17
37:14
57:11
96:21
108:24
alter (1)
alumni [3]
3:2
43:12
58:11
93:7
36:14
4:23
68:11
100:15
116:13
117:20 117:23
Always [1)
always (31)
5:15
15:11
25:11
27:3
39:5
59:22
12:13
20:11
25:18
28:10
55:24
59:24
71:12
78:14
95:20
110:10
74:8
88:12
106:8
114:8
ambition [1)
ambitions [1]
ambivalence (1)
74:16
88:14
107:22
115:16
19:25
79:8
57:3
America (2)
65:1
99:7
104:19
60:1
acquaintance [1)
41:9
5:9
13:9
24:23
25:19
38:2
55:25
69:12
American [1)
Americans (1)
analyze [1]
analyzed (1)
Angela [1]
Angeles [3]
82:18
61:5
27:3
57:6
38:5
101:21
27:8
85:6
Angelo (1]
angers [2]
101:20
101:17
101:18
angry [2]
100:14
101:14
126:3
126:11 126:12
27:17
Anyway [7]
84:21
30:21 63:6
92:23 115:4 123:11
anyway [Ul)
11:12
69:10 71:15
24:9
93:1
75:25 89:1
101:23 123:11 126:21
apart [2]
31:3
35:17
apartments [1) 113:4
31:7
apparent (1)
44:5
appear [1)
appeared (1) 127:6
application [1) 128:13
apply [2]
27:23
74:2
appreciate (7) 3:10
5:13
17:23
3:13
24:18 24:18 24:19
appreciated (2) 24:20
106:22
126:4
appreciation [1)
appropriate [1) 122:23
38:9
April [7]
39:21
75:24
119:4
39:21
75:24
apt [1)
architect i s [1) 7:15
architecture [1]
94:12
argument (2)
130:18
130:20
Arizona (1)
Army (5)
52:21
5:8
50:17
55:12
arrangement (1)
111:21
124:1
124:2
art (3)
32:3
32:6
77:5
article [1)
Artie (2) 3:17
artist (7)
5:25
9:3
6:17
9:5
artistic [1)
Arts [2] 77:9
arts I'] 58:3
76:13 76:16
124:12
artwork (1)
Asia [1) 21:3
aside [1] 90:15
assignment (1)
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associating [1]
association (3)
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100:22
5:15
7:2
86:24
5:17
77:13
76:12
95:19
7:24
74:24
25:1
119:25
41:25
72:15
84:19
asthma (1)
astronomy (2) 22:15
117:16
ate [4]
71:11
71:10
71:12
athletically [1]
atomic (1)
attack (1)
attention [1]
attraction [1)
attractive (4)
92:11
92:17
attribute [1)
audio-visual [1]
71:10
19:22
87:23
auto (1) 38:6
average [1]
avoid [1)
aware [1)
away [13]
29:6
104:4
24:21
2:13
22:19
2:14
19:2
25:22 39:14 41:16
66:13
50:9
63:4
90:22 100:21 123:17
awkward [1] 27:15
-BB[s)
89:11
89:4
89:13
66:1
B.A[!]
baby [5] 45:8
51:16
69:14
98:18
111:1
119:18
74:21
89:10
96:23
63:25
105:7
52:10
91:3
103:21
111:2
67:6
97:5
108:18
113:18
65:13
badly [1]
Bakersfield [1) 75:4
Ball [1) 25:2
ball [7] 18:20 21:15
21:23
84:17
ballet [1]
band [2] 14:5
banded [1)
Bank [2]
21:24
101:11
15:7
130:1
65:1
102:8
bank [1) 102:8
25:2
Banquet [1)
56:14
Barbara [1)
barely [2]
113:16
113:17
85:16
barks [1)
bars [1) 124:25
base [4] 91:15 91:15
91:19
21:16
27:12
84:19
89:11
45:18
92:6
92:19
92:3
auditioned [1) 108:10
auditioning [1] 66:11
August [4]
52:1
87:22
64:2
24:23
baby-sit (1)
baby-sitters [1) 25:6
background [1) 7: 1
backyard [1] 8:19
badusi 9:21 30:20
21:20
36:9
associations [1] 74: 13
25:23
assumed [1]
assuming [2] 25:23
82:1
106:23
52:12
64:11
arrested (2)
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Ann[S] 126:3
39:3
40:6
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based [1)
basement [1]
bashed (2)
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88:3
111:5
124:2
basic (2) 51:4
basis (2) 46:22
bass [2] 91:20
bathroom [1)
Batman [1)
Bay (3) 42:22
51:11
81:1
91:21
107:8
20:22
46:7
94:11
beaehra
45:13
46:6
66:13 118:11
118:12 127:22
40:24
beacon [1)
beat [1] 112:8
33:20
beautiful [3)
80:12 82:21
26:13
Beaver (4)
109:9 110:21 110:21
9:4
became [101
18:4
19:22 21:21
43:24 52:18
41:3
52:20 113:8 113:9
25:9
beeemera
31:7
32:20 32:22
130:11 130:12
12:6
becomes (1]
becoming(2] 12:18
24:16
bed (2) 44:14 45:14
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bedroom [1]
bedrooms [Z]
88:5
88:6
106:9
bees [1] 42:18
beganrn
begin[z]
40:14
34:17
42:7
beginning [1]
behave [3]
53:17
behaving U]
1:17
25:10
53:16
behavior [Z]
35:22
103:21
103:23
behind [3]
14:24
15:10
88:18
believes [1]
Bells U] 69:16
125:23
belong[z]
114:12
123:1
Ben rn
96:10
bench [1]
beneficial [1]
benefits [Z]
98:23
56:20
104:4
3:7
115:4
benign [I}
Benjamin U]
Bennett [1]
Bernice [1]
Bernice's [1]
best [4] 36:3
49:14
124:12
96:10
102:24
125:3
125: 11
49:12
119:10
bet [2] 71:15
better [ZO]
71:15
17:24
25:14
18:13 20:7
27:1
33:10 57:20
58:15 70:10 79:24
84:3
106:13 125:23
126:1 126:7 127:9
128:10 128:11 130:6
130:19
69:20
between [7]
72:16 75:17 107:6
107:11 115: 12 115:14
12:10
betweens [1]
32:14
beyond 11]
Bien [1] 60:25
Big[,) 65:4
65:4
65:6
70:13 76:17
76:21
5:4
big [1'] 2:23
10:7
10:22 10:22
25:24
23:6
25:6
36:23 39:20 48:20
70:7
72:11 78:21
87:7
100:6
btkern 120:22 121:3
bills [1] 101:19
5:8
biology [1]
birds [1]42:18
1:7
Birth [1]
10:4
birthday [3]
125:10
55:3
bit [6]
34:16
115:7
2:6
53:24
bizarre rn
black [1]
blame(z]
6:12
86:3
66:15
9:22
91:25
104:10
blanket [1]
2:13
blind U] 130:20
2:24
block [8]
11:13 36:10
63:3
63:4
102:13
blondish (1]
bloom [1]
blue [1] 80:12
blur[z] 67:19
boat [4] 11:8
11:12 14:11
boats [Z]
17:8
Bob [1]
body [1]
boil U]
bold [1]
63:2
102:9
23:11
40:14
76:6
11:10
17:5
76:25
96:3
75:9
85:18
127:14
ben m 99:1
book[4] 16:13 105:13
105:15 112:25
books [1]
16:8
bop U] 72:21
14:25
bopping rn
1:19
bornrsi 1:17
10:25
5:16
5:17
18:24
12:6
13:5
47:18
boss [3] 30:9
47:18
bothers [1]
19:19
bought [Z3]
10:10
10:11 20:11 20:12
20:15 26:11 26:11
64:23
39:12 44:2
70:24
67:21 68:8
80:13 95:12 105:15
105:24 105:25 106:5
106:12 106:18 106:20
109:15
box [1] 104:20
11:17
boy [9] 11:6
11:18 11:20 11:22
59:3
39:24 43:2
123: 16
boyfriend [3] 89:3
111:8
96:7
boyfriends U] 67:22
boys [4] 11:21 68:12
68:22 68:22
12:17
bracket [1]
brain [1]
128:17
brains [1]
111:5
100:2
Braady ui
36:20
bread tn
61:13
break m
76:20
breakfast [3]
71:10
bring(,]
44:21
54:8
92:22
buy[s] 37:9
80:1
buying [1]
68:4
81:20
Breslinrn
Bresson [1]
bridge [1]
bridges [1]
brief[l] 101:7
briefly [1]
bright [4]
92:19
44:18
bedroom - chorus
Edd Dundas
3:17
100:22
28:8
4:5
99:19
87:8
96:2
6:9
46:4
44:23
108:24
bringing [1]
53:20
Broadway 13] 58:5
127:6 127:9
110:9
brokeu]
brokers [1]
72:11
13:11
brother [7]
14:20 25:24
14:5
114:24
45:6
45:5
brother-in-law's U]
114:24
brothers [4]
2:7
19:13 20:6
2:16
brought [8]
21:17
24:24 44:25 45:1
97:17
89:5
53:2
116:2
Buchanan [Z] 65:2
123:24
125:25
Buckley [1]
49:16
buddies [2]
55:17
buffeted [1]
3:5
build [1]102:13
builders [1]
13:9
Building [1]
77:9
building [1'] 4:25
26:11 33:23 51:8
88:25 102:9
88:1
108:20 109:11 110:7
110:16 110:20 110:23
111:24 112:17 113:22
buildings [Z]
108:6
113:15
4:5
built [4] 4:4
4:11
4:16
49:10
bumpu,
bunch [1]
123:22
8:19
Bunson(3]
49:9
9:18
burnrn 106:15
burning[ll
123:13
busm 19:17 49:1
buses [1]
38:21
7:7
Business (1]
7:6
business [4]
7:11
43:22
7:9
businesses [1] 117:20
Busy [1] 128:6
busy[z] 81:21 91:9
38:16
105:11
87:16
-c124:25
8:20
13:7
38:14
107:17
Caen'sru
California [7]
38:10 38:13
38:23 39:9
calls [1] 70:1
camaraderie [1]
40:20
82:19
87:13
11:12
20:24
21:1
cap [1] 98:11
car rm 3:17
39:16
45:13
46:5
71:8
44:2
46:4
66:19
103:24
care [7] 14:19 19:1
101:3 104:22 113:17
114:7 117:18
129:16
eared rn
career [1]
7:9
careers [1]
72:10
caregiver [1] 101:3
6:19
Carles ts;
59:14
39:12 47:2
74:25
carried [1]
76:9
Carrington [2] 40:3
40:4
carry [1)
118:12
cars U) 129:14
cart rn 14:14 14:17
cartoons [1)
99:12
casa rn 81:23 81:23
casern 18:14
cash [1] 107:20
Castro [1]
3:16
casually [1]
85:3
catch [1]
22:1
cathedrals (1] 12:9
Catholic U]
11:13
caught [1]
118:21
Cent rn 1:25
cent [1] 1:23
Center [1]
124:17
center [1]
40:23
cents (1] 121:1
century[z]
17:20
125:6
ceramic[z]
46:23
47:2
44:1
46:3
66:13
71:12
14:19
ceremony [1]
Certainly [1]
certainly [3]
CA[l] 1:4
cabarets [1]
camera [1]
candles [1]
Cannons [1]
canyon(z]
46:25
ceramics [1]
ceremoniously [1]
52:16
80:10
107:24
27:18
124:5
chainrn
7:21
10:13
chair [1] 34:9
chairs [1]
chance [1]
change [9]
28:11
72:18
73:25
34:5
73:23
100:20
changed [8]
18:24 24:22
38:10 99:24
100:19
changing [1]
Channel [1]
34:12
24:20
27:16
50:6
73:24
13:19
28:5
100:11
124:22
9:16
characterized [1]
84:7
characters [1] 33:2
45:23
chargerS]
101:21
78:9
54:7
111:10
89:16
Charles [2]
89:17
122: 16
charmed [1]
charming [1] 4:23
chasing [1]
84:13
49:3
chatted [1]
68:17
cheaper [2]
69:3
83:12
check (3)
83:15 83:24
chest U] 85:20
123:15
chewed [1]
chief [1) 8:20
child [4] 2:20
15:5
24:12 24:13
17:14
children [1']
17:22 18:10 18:11
18:12 18:14 18:17
74:16
24:25 25:3
107: 17
99:6
80:7
125:4 125:5 125:17
children's [3] 33:17
33:20 48:22
92:20
Chtaese rn
93:22
31:14
choice[z]
115:11
51:9
choosetn
51:9
96:11
choosing [3]
96:12 98:24
40:2
choral U]
chorus[,]
32:4
40:4
40:2
32:6
40:8
40:5
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Christiansen [3)
16:12
16:13
Christmas [2]
16:22
6:20
50:15
Chronicle [1)
church [5)
12:12
56:19
12:16
churches [1)
chumtng m
CIC [2) 52:3
cinema [1)
circuit [1]
circular [1)
citizenship [1)
City [15] 1:19
2:9
8:24
18:9
64:9
109:7
3:1
11:1
45:5
74:25
city [5) 3:2
107:24 109:5
civilized [1)
class [11]
31:17
32:3
56:15
80:23
31:21
41:1
58:16
clay [1) 47:2
cleaned [1)
clear [3) 14:3
65:10
12:8
14:6
12:9
120:23
52:4
79:7
9:11
88:13
12:7
2:5
3:2
14:15
45:9
86:13
102:12
113:3
14:7
20:16
32:3
42:22
66:9
53:3
cleared [1]
Clearing [2)
53: 1
52:25
52:25
clearing [1)
clients [1)
cloak [1)
close [11)
34:4
56:20
82:5
113:2
45:22
67:17
90:9
closed [1)
closely [1]
closeness [1]
Closest (1]
closest 11)
cloth [1] 91:4
clothes [3]
48:22
9:11
54:11
90:6
126:12
84:25
47:6
50:6
clothing [1]
club [4] 40: 1
40:12
53:2
95:11
2: 15
25:19
55:8
75:4
109:2
47:3
40: 12
49:16
co-dependency [2)
130:14 130:16
coast [1) 118:17
cocker [1)
coffee [9]
46:4
79:22
93:2
63:16
80:2
93:4
72:22
43:21
63:17
86:23
connected [2)
coincidences [1]
cold (1] 56:25
College [5)
46:17
64:18
12:19
60:11
60:10
college [11]
41:18
49:18
65:18
76:8
12:22
47:4
64:17
72:11
46:17
56:14
65:19
colleges [1]
4:17
colloquial [1) 81:2
comfortable [1)
34:9
coming [7]
22:2
72:20 94:1
102:17 126:12
comment [1)
99:19
66:24
100:6
commentary [1]
commercial [2) 92:18
102:6
commercials [3]
9:17
105:18
Commission [2]
121:6
122:24
committees [4) 30:9
62:25
117:8
communication [2)
73:2
123:7
community [1) 82:18
companies [3] 6:25
95:11
95:12
eompanion [1) 69:3
Company [1] 52:24
company [5)
5:19
18:19
88:16
20:5
company's [1)
Compared [1)
compared [1)
competitive [1)
complain [2)
consider [4]
113:5
115:9
considered [6]
84:15
126:6
114:9
126:22
considering [2) 84:11
121:14
console [1]
90:21
COnstau1t(l]
124:5
construction [1)
contact [5]
42:23
content [1]
contention [1]
contingence [1]
continued (2)
46:13
contract (3]
29:17
82:15
contractor (4) 4:3
4:3
4:4
4:16
contractor's [2)
5:14
5:14
32:25
107:4
27:3
127:8
46:9
coEdirmation [1]
42:1
conftagration [1]
119:23
121:13
114:15
23:7
6:24
Contractors [1) 25:1
contractors [1) 4:24
contracts [1)
29:18
85:7
contributed [1) 129:24
109:25
114:25 control [1]
controls [1]
114:21
3:3
122:15 convenience [1) 51:1
convenient [1) 46:19
96:19
122:20 conversations [1)
122:20
COEdi~t[l]
17:18
43:10
contacts [1]
41:18
contemporary [1)
29:19
COrnen3]
82:25
costs [1) 102:19
COugbs[2)
8:7
26:14
could've [1]
93:1
Counseling [1) 124:17
count [3]
1:21
15:6
93:23
76:2
65:7
51:16
7:17
2:24
110:16
corps [2]
51:10
53:11
Cost [1) 112:16
cost [4] 68:16 68:21
101:18 106:2
counted [1)
Counter [2]
100:1
1:11
1:12
counterrn
83:3
counter-intelligence
51:14
countries [3)
13:24
13:25 14:8
country [9]
14:18
33:6
48:25 77:23
78:3
106:6 106:11
129:8 129:17
couple [17]
11:7
15:17 37:2
38:7
41:15 41:15 55:13
56:16 57:22 62:11
85:14 89:25 90:18
112:7 114:6 114:18
119:17
3:1
course [19]
25:20
7:16
8:24
40:10 48:19 55:14
64:10 64:11 68:4
94:13
78:8
91:9
95:7
104:15 106:13
108:5 124:19 126:14
80:22
courses [1]
7:11
cousins (1]
14:24
covered [1)
coverings [1) 102:10
43:9
covert [1)
20:22
Cowboys [1)
29:17
crazy (3]
54:10 56:5
36:19
cream [2)
36:19
77:13
Creative [1]
5:18
creative [1)
creativity [1] 7:25
creatures [1] 56:2
94:3
credit [4]
100:11 105:25 122:22
126:17
credits [1)
21:4
creek (1)
17:9
crossing [2)
17:10
68:11
Cruises [1)
109:24
cruising [1]
35:23
crush [1)
Cruz [2) 42:25 43:1
crying [2]
90:19
97:1
culmination [1] 14:16
culture [1)
129:22
curious [1]
93:3
[1]
84:10
complaints [1] 122:12 convince [1]
compound [1] 129:23 convinced [1)
Cook's [1)
computer [2) 33:8
34:14
cool [1] 45:22
computers [2] 7: 17
coordinator [1)
47:20
cop [2] 51:16
concentration [1)
copiers [1]
concept [1)
concerned [1]
3:23
130:8
3:3
126:5
Considering [1)
17:24
45:2
Christiansen - December
Edd Dundas
109:13 130:13
103:22
126:23
122:5
Committee [1) 121:9
committee [3] 30:8
62:24
connection [1) 117:5
consciences [1) 74:5
conscious [1] 120:4
consequence [1]
7:8
32:24
9:16
62:13
79:5
99:21
30:11
101:4
22:7
current [3)
29:19
29:17
110:22
cushions [1)
customer (2)
87:7
27:14
27:17
cut [3]
46:21
47:5
100:8
cut-off[2)
16:8
16:22
cute [2] 91:23 92:19
cuts [2) 48:10 48:10
cutter [3]
47: 18
47:22
100:6
cutters [2)
47:14
47:17
cynical (2)
130:14
130:15
-DDa[4]
61:8
61:8
61:8
dabbled [1)
dad [1] 97:16
daddy [1)
dairy [1)
Dakota [1)
~CeI3]
80:12
61:8
9:1
59:3
36:20
129:20
56:6
102:1
dances m
56:6
80:14
danger m
dangerous [2)
119:1
103:21
109:22
dark [3] 23: 13 56:25
77:8
Date rn
1:7
date [1) 92:6
dated [1]
dating [2]
56:4
95:14
96:25
daughter's [1] 43:4
day-to-day [1) 79:25
4:19
days [10]
23:21
51:1
90:18
Dead [2] 27:8
dead [1] 53:3
49:22
59:10
124:5
27:9
dead-end [1)
deal [6] 3:12
20:25
28:11
91:7
9:23
50:15
80:25
37:24
129:5
67:5
dealers [1)
dealing [1]
dealt [2) 91:1
deanrn 125:13
dearly [1]
death [1)
decade (1]
December [3]
52:2
112:14
82:17
130:21
105:19
71:19
91:10
28:21
87:15
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DeChecko [3J
68:8
68:8
85:13
decided m
86:1
86:17
32:17
decision [lJ
decorations [lJ
dedicated [SJ
125:24
6:20
104:19
104:21 104:21 104:25
117:14
deepjq 21:6
90:2
94:23
90:3
115:10
Deeply [lJ
defeated [lJ
60:25
67:12
defenses [2J
67:13
definition [lJ 27:25
27:10
degreern
92:20 119:21
27:6
degrees tn
Delaware [4J 74:18
74:19 74:20 74:21
Deli m 87:4
84:9
demandsrn
demi tn 80:2
71:20
demise tn
113:14
demon tu
demonization m
113:11
73:19
denying rn
Department (2) 125:3
125:15
department [l)
departure (2)
10:7
84:15
84:21
depended [1)
depressed [1)
Depression [lJ
depression (2)
22:1
115:10
20:9
90:19
91:1
deprlvationm
described (3)
84:7
66:18
84:6
99:18
8:5
102:18
102:6
102:5
85:25
108:16
desirem
desk m 79:3
desperately [l)
despots [lJ
determined tn
develop [1)
developing [lJ
devilru 113:8
devotern
devotedrn
112:1
died [l3J 5:6
6:18
39:8
89:17
Ill: 18
17:15
75:1
102:7
111:19
Dien m 60:25
dies [2J 30:10 30:10
difference [SJ 99:22
99:23 103:7 107:6
107:11
differences [2J 98:10
129:22
different [20J 2:18
8:16
5:11
6:24
31:2
33:12 34:12
34:17 34:19 35:14
72:21
46:23 48:9
73:18 90:12 94:20
99:14 102:10 123:23
128:19
differently [2J 28:12
56:10
difficult [l)
28:6
129:21
Dihisu tu
15:3
41:15
101:8
Ill: 18
62:17
71:8
81:20
68:13
71:11
93:5
12:7
dint [l)
dipping m
direct [lJ
directing [lJ
direction [2J
51:7
69:19
80:7
87:13
128:12
40:11
12:1
79:11
126:16
79:11
directors [lJ
disagreements rn
66:17
125:16
104:9
13:25
47:22
88:15
42:8
118:2
41:3
discovered [2J
35:8
72:20
discuss [lJ
discussed [1)
discussing [1)
discussion [lJ
disease (2)
42:11
115:6
44:8
42:21
94:5
100:15
dispense [1)
distances [lJ
distant [l)
Division [lJ
Dtxonm
53:15
22:19
20:1
52:23
100:3
DOA [1) 53:4
doctors [lJ
doesn't [lOJ
30:1
62:8
104:16 113:9
113:10 116:15
dog [7] 59:4
84:16
66:3
109:17
92:6
dollar[4J
37:15
68:22
Dollarsrn
dollars[6J
37:9
71:5
37:10
112:16
domestic tn
domesticity [lJ
DOn[lJ 71:23
done [20J
3:22
16:7
29:22
69:2
74:8
100:16
127:21
7:16
26:7
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Donner[3J
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donut [1)
donuts (4)
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8:4
11:16
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dormitory [1)
double m
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Downrn
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15:6
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101:4
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8:4
11:17
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8:18
4:12
11:16 11:17 15:15
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19:1
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21:5
21:8
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21:17 23:8
39:12 39:19
34:2
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45:9
43:8
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65:11 66:5
70:13 75:3
82:19
93:4
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93:7
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100:8 102:12 105:17
106:15 110:24 112:8
122:11 122:24
downstairs (4) 70:19
93:6
70:20 88:2
downtown [6J 19:18
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87:12 96:1
120:25 121:3
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Doyle[6J
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69:10 69:11
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dozen[4J
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65:11 99:6
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drafted[3J
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down (42)
DeChecko - ED
Edd Dundas
drag[l] 118:13
dragged[lJ
drama[sJ
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49:17
41:2
draw [lJ 122:23
drawing[lJ
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drawn[3J
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driedrn
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drive-ins [2J
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drOpped[3J
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drown [1)
drowned [1)
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drugs m
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dull [lJ 63:9
dumb[3J
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dying[lJ
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-Ee-mail (2)
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ear[3J
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early (23)
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earth[2J
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dreadfully m
dressesrn
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28:9
79:12
32:23
door m
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dinner (9)
documented [lJ
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dimensional [1)
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designed [1)
designer [l)
desirable [2J
Dick[2J
die [3J
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111:23 112:12
17:13 103:9
director (3)
84:22
desertrn
Design [lJ
designm
120:9
diaper m
diary rn
Diebe[3J
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easily rn
East m 17:3
easy[6J 88:12
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Ecstatic [lJ
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4:8
4:18
5: 13
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7:4
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13:2
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15:2
15: 19
16:15
17:5
18:17
20:21
22:13
23:14
25:21
26:18
28:19
29:22
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32:19
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34:9
34:22
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35:15
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36:18
37:3
38:14
38:24
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50:13
51:23
53:22
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2:2
4:1
4:11
4:25
5:15
6:3
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7:6
8:10
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11:4
12:5
13:14
13:23
15:8
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19:20
20:24
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24:11
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99:24
102:21
103:19
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109:3
109:12
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112:4
112:15
112:25
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115:11
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117:4
118:3
119:1
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123:8
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125:1
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102:24
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108:8
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109:5
109:14
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112:6
112:19
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114:14
115:14
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118:9
119:4
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Edith [4]
126:3
126:4
editing (2)
58:21
59:14
60:16
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61:19
62:8
62:20
63:8
63:16
64:9
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61:4
education [5]
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104:1 104:3
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educational U)
efficient [I)
effort [1)
egalitarian tn
eggs U) 36:20
eight [5] 17:15
7: 1
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125:22
49:2
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eighteen U)
eighth [1)
eighty [1)
either (4)
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64:18
17:16
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28:5
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105:6
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electives U)
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electronic rn 33:4
electronically U)
33:13
electronics U) 6:19
elementary [1) 32:13
III :2
eleven [1)
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elitist U)
embarrassed U)
57:1
emboldened U) 86:1
emotional (2) 84:9
130:6
emotionally (2) 70:8
97:23
Empirern
104:12
employees [1) 80:18
employment [1]
59:25
Emporium (2) 49:25
50:16
empty [1)
encourage rn
encouraged rn
encourages rn
End (4) 35:25
102:3
end [7]
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71:11
131:1
9:23
39:7
73:20
endedrn
ends [1] 48:10
energy [4]
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III :7
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Engineering [1)
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engineering [1) 7:22
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Englandll)
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English [lSI
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75:15
78:21
80:1
125:3
enjoy (4)
41:1
75:20
79:8
80:19
125:15
116:6
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enjoyable (2)
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75:23
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80:21
30:5
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excitedUI
excitement [31 40:21
17:24
128:5
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excused [I)
exist (2) 33:5
expect (3)
42:3
128:23
enjoyed (4)
72:7
ed - fifties
Edd Dundas
80:5
enjoying (3)
116:8
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enlistment [1) 61:3
enttrern
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entrepreneurial U)
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envelopes U) 51:17
environment [I)
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epidemic [1)
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equateU)
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ete ra 74:7 93:2
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ethic [I) 63:15
13:23
Europe (4)
17:21 68:21 68:23
Europeans (2) 27:1
27:2
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event [I)
eventually [3] 93:3
93:13 121:24
everybody (9) 9:21
37:20 48:20
18:5
56:10 56:12
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everywhere [1) 25:4
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evtetedtn
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evidence tn
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Exactly [1)
exactly (3)
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Examiner rn 37:6
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example [1)
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excellent [1)
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except [1]
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expected [1)
expects [1)
expenses U)
expensive [1)
experience (7)
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experienced [1)
experiences [1)
experiment tn
express [1)
expressions rn
extended (2)
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extent U)
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extremes [1)
eye rn 35:20
Eyes rn 61:7
-FF[l)
125:25
face (2) 16:2 21:5
113:9
faceless U)
fact [3] 37:7 90:9
113:24
factors [1)
factory (3)
6:19
101:15
6:18
47:3
fadell) 92:15
fair (2) 23:12
fairly [4]
98:13
80:19
7:9
119:8
Fall Il) 28:20
fall (3) 40:5
43:15
90:18
104:12
fallback U)
falling (2)
124:20
95:20
122:17
families (2)
14:10
129:16
family un
2:7
7:10
12:24
25:4
41:3
42:25
43:23
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75:7
118:20
2:23
11:13
13:11
25:7
42:12
43:21
47:11
74:13
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family's [1]
Famine [2]
2:6
6:9
11:14
20:7
41:3
42:16
43:22
49:5
75:2
118:16
119:8
114:25
13:15
famine (3)
13:18
13:11
13:22
famines (2)
13:17
13:20
famous [1)
fan [1) 80:13
fanatic [1)
fantasizing U)
fantasy U)
far (9) 22:3
15:19
123:14
82:13
19:24
31:25
65:16 66:5
35:7
107:23 109:10 122:12
127:8
fare tn 2:3
fares [1) 1:23
fascinating [1) 77:23
fast (3) 33:13 106:22
127:12
129:2
fastest [1)
4:2
father US)
4:16
4:5
4:3
7:5
6:18
5:18
12:19 20:10 21:13
38:24
36:10 37:8
39:12 71:19
13:3
father's (2)
13:10
fault [1) 111:3
119:9
favor rn
22:23
favorite (5)
24:13 32:11 128:8
128:8
9:17
Fay (2) 9:14
82:18
Fe rn
65:7
feature [1)
February (2) 54:21
87:22
25:16
feeling (4)
86:4
82:9
62:5
67:4
feelings Il)
23:18
feet (2) 3:19
57:12
fell [6] 4:21
89:8
75:10 78:2
109:8
43:15
fellow (3)
64:16 91:11
felt[u) 19:20 19:20
24:15
20:4
20:3
58:7
25:12 58:6
100:6
69:14 91: I
51:19
ferret [1]
80:11
festivals [1)
13:24
feudal rn
34:24
few (7) 34:6
52:14 59:10 64:14
117:13 117:18
4:7
FHA [2] 4:5
field (2) 32:22 53:12
2:10
fifteen [3]
45:19 125:8
fifth [2] 22:14 22:21
130:21
fifties [t]
13:16
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Fifty [1] 1:24
fIfty [51 4:13
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fifty-five [2]
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fifty-four [I}
figure[4}
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41:21 69:20
86:20 94:14
107:25 112:16
119:1
fIX[2}
44:17
flxed [2] 107:10
flXing[3]
107:8 107:8
Flash [2]
87:12
flat [I} 91:12
flats [2] 95:4
flgured u;
44:22
filled [I} 21:2
Film [I} 60:18
film [IS} 57:13
60:18 65:8
66:12 67:16
76:23 77:6
82:15
78:5
127:2
fllmedui
fIlms [3] 2:2
100:23
flnal [2] 28:23
Finally [1]
finally [9]
90:22 96:12
106:19 109:20
111:2 111:9
financial [1]
finding rs;
58:19 74:10
116:20 121:5
fine[7} 8:9
21:12 43:7
82:12 119:24
Finished [2]
76:19
finished [7]
60:9
61:6
76:8
76:8
fire [2} 64:22
fired [I} 124:24
fires [I} 86:3
firm [1] 4:21
firms [I}
First [I} 22:25
first [40} 3:22
8:2
6:8
10:17 23:3
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37:9
42:23
46:9
50:2
53:1
54:12
63:2
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78:14 82:11
105:15 105:20
106:12 109:6
112:10 127:5
fish [I} 2:16
fission [I}
fittest [I}
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37:8
117:2
97:3
26:3
22:20
121:24
8:17
57:14
66:7
69:11
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127:1
61:2
61:4
30:16
110:9
71:21
98:24
110:15
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116:20
15:8
45:7
76:14
7:14
65:18
82:21
125:3
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4:5
10:5
26:9
34:25
43:9
51:3
57:18
63:25
70:4
72:2
85:11
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112:4
27:5
128:25
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41:16
flawless rar
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flip [1] 66:18
floahl] 8:17
floating[l}
floor[3] 9:12
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flooring [1]
flower [1]
flowers[l}
fluctuates [I}
fluently [1]
flying [I}
fOCUS[2}
105:23
folks [I} 74:11
followed [2]
16:12
following [l}
fond [2] 99:3
food [I} 101:4
forcedm
28:2
Ford [1] 39:19
forever [I}
forget [I}
forgotten [5}
69:18 89:4
96:24
formal [1]
formula [I}
Fort [3] 51:3
53:13
forth [3] 48:8
127:22
fortitude [I}
fortunate [4}
100:13 123:21
Fortunately [1]
fortunately [I}
forty [2] 72:1
forty-five [3]
96:22 97:3
forward[3}
28:10 52:22
found [16}
22:14 28:9
49:8
44:4
64:25
58:2
87:19
67:5
80:25
96:5
118:25
106:10
114:2
106:8
85:22
109:7
93:11
106:4
43:10
43:22
80:10
100:8
115:25
68:25
104:8
40:24
16:11
71:19
130:16
28:1
73:22
11:15
11:25
96:6
16:18
11:18
51:13
48:8
105:23
17:16
123:22
92:15
92:15
78:19
89:22
19:12
22:13
40:15
51:10
66:11
89:23
90:9
90:13 90:17
Foundation [I} 101:24
fountain [3]
36:19
36:21 38:7
four [12}41:16 55:2
61:2
74:15 74:16
83:25 89:18 108:1
110:1 113:3 118:20
125:17
four-unit [1]
65:2
fox [3] 123:16 123:19
123:24
France[9}
69:1
93:10 93:11 93:11
93:13 93:19 93:20
93:24 99:8
Francheschi [1}
101:21
Francini [1]
101:23
Francisco [23] 1:4
9:14
41:18 49:20
60:13 64:6
58:1
64:8
64:15 65:21
65:25 70:22 70:23
77:1
85:13
71:8
85:14 101:24 106:12
124:11 124:16 124:23
125:9
Franldin [3]
39:8
96:10 98:23
free [I} 25:11
Freedman [I} 85:12
60:24
French[9}
68:24 68:25 69:3
93:11 93:22 115:16
115:17 115:17
Friday[2}
44:17
62:18
Friend[2}
89:4
89:4
friend[12}
36:3
49:12 78:13 85:22
89:5
90:1
89:3
90:4
94:12 111:12
111:25 126:10
friend's [l}
42:24
45:12
friendly [I}
Friends [I}
112:5
friends [28}
2:24
18:11 29:22 30:25
43:5
38:22 43:3
44:21 44:23 49:14
73:7
73:10
55:7
73:14 75:12 81:22
90:20 95:8
90:2
96:4
99:24 100:2
101:1 101:2 101:6
103:4 111:22 126:4
friendship [2} 81:14
89:20
Front[1}
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front [4} 2:23
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51:15 52:9
frustrating [1] 116:20
frustration [I} 116:19
Fifty - Graham
FU[I] 79:5
fulfilled [I}
fulfilling [2}
82:6
full [6} 2:3
6:14
6:13
127:11
Fullbright [I}
fully [2} 88:17
fun[3} 40:18
96:3
functioning[2]
128:18
fund[2} 101:25
fmmy[l]
FutsU[I]
future [3]
101:13 122:3
futurist [2]
28:13
121:15
82:6
6:13
102:9
78:10
97:23
54:13
75:13
106:17
19:14
78:23
28:13
27:25
-Ggait [I} 125:22
gallery [I}
game [I}
games [3]
21:11 22:3
gang [2] 36:7
gangs [I}
garage [I}
garment [2]
47:21
Gary [I} 99: 11
gate [I} 51:12
Gay [4] 35:5
85:11 85:19
gay [10} 35:3
55:13 55:20
84:13 92:5
124:1 124:25
gay-lesbian [I}
gee [I} 61:19
General [I}
general [2]
115:7
generation [3}
111:19 111:20
generations [I}
George [I}
giant [1] 15:6
gift [I} 130:22
girl [12} 11:6
11:18 11:20
43:2
56:8
56:10 56:14
118:16
girlfriend [2}
114:5
girls [1] 56:5
given [4]
103:25 115:12
6:1
33:10
18:22
36:8
36:9
64:12
47:11
71:24
40:16
62:13
94:4
100:5
25:1
76:16
37:24
105:5
16:10
Edd
giving [11
glad[4} 17:18
86:14 95:13
glandular [l}
glass [I} 66:6
GLHS[3}
61:24 117:2
GLHSNe[l}
gOO[3} 23:12
34:24
goes [4} 26:22
89:17 125:1
Gold [I} 16:2
golly [I} 125:8
Dundas
78:25
78:16
gone un
16:17
42:19
64:18
111:21
16:20 37:6
49:18 54:1
69:16 100:9
120:10
Good [3]
63:13 112:24
good [83}
4:8
3:12
8:13
7:2
15:20
15:8
20:14 20:15
20:18 21:25
25:16 26:23
31:24 35:11
40:17 43:11
51:16 54:15
54:18 56:12
57:24 59:5
63:11 63:17
65:14 67:18
70:12 70:25
74:15 80:20
81:8
81:1
82:7
82:7
84:12 85:24
88:10 88:11
96:4
95:8
104:1 104:10
106:8 108:10
111:1 111:20
115:17 118:4
120:2 120:3
121:22 122:10
124:13 125:18
129:10
gosh [2} 67:19
government [7]
27:14 39:6
104:19 124:8
governor rn
grab [I} 51:15
6:11
1:8
1:2
30:9
41:24
30:2
2:22
5:20
8:13
15:21
20:15
25:9
31:16
38:14
46:10
54:16
57:23
59:15
63:18
69:23
74:7
81:1
81:14
83:5
87:24
93:25
97:5
104:13
110:4
111:21
119:18
120:6
122:19
127:18
89:17
4: 10
51:1
124:10
75:17
11:18
11:23
56:9
59:3
grade un
82:11
gradesrn
21:14
22:14
23:3
24:5
105:6
22:7
31:12
122:14
24:9
gradually [I}
graduated [1]
Graham [I}
73:19
46:11
77:1
22:8
22:21
23:14
31:9
22:11
22:25
23:16
31:25
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grammar [1) 31:6
grandfather [II) 4:4
12:25
13:5
97:16
13:2
17:23
13:5
39:17
grandmother (16)
14:4
14:17
17:10
19:11
39:10
119:13
14:4
14:21
17:10
24:14
39:11
14:14
14:21
19:1
25:14
39:17
grandmother's (2)
20:6
37:24
grandparent [1)
19:7
grandparents (1)
14:9
granted [1)
graphics [1)
grasp (1)
grateful [II)
96:13
98:19
116:9
96:13
98:20
grave (1)
Gray [1) 61:22
Great [1)
great [Ill)
79:19
7:25
19:23
96:11
96:20
98:25
42:5
54:19
57:5
58:16
74:11
82:2
84:23
88:16
89:12
95:1
101:9
106:19
121:18
50:3
56:24
57:23
67:2
75:8
82:8
87:9
88:19
89:18
96:8
101:9
118:23
123:4
[1) 1:16
guest
guests [1)
guide (1)
guilt [1) 100:10
guts [1) 123:14
guy (2) 42:21
guys (6) 42:21
57:20
92:11
57:21
50:5
57:4
58:10
70:12
82:1
84:2
87:23
89:2
91:11
97:1
105:19
120:4
128:5
106:7
16:13
123:11
43:7
91:13
gym (2) 96:8 96:25
gymnasium (2) 120:16
120:20
-HHaiphong [1)
hair (1) 84:17
Half [1) 46:6
half (10) 1:21
29:15
46:11
72:2
38:11
65:11
87:23
halfway [1)
Hall (1) 86:13
hand (3) 94:10
40:22
90:14
44:11
60:24
44:8
31:7
hating [1)
hauled (2)
116:16
79:14
79:14
Hawaii (2)
102:8
114:24
He'd [1) 80:3
he'd (6) 30:11
91:16
87:10
93:9
44:16
93:7
head (2) 42:20 124:16
82:19
headed [1)
headquarters [1)
102:8
health(S)
104:1
114:7
104:2
healthy (2)
101:15
104:3
119:8
122:21
heard [II)
10:15 14:8
31:20 45:5
112:15
4:12
14:9
95:15
1:22
39:22
71:25
heart [1)
101:13
heartbreak (2) 81:9
51:4
heaven [1)
heavy (2)
101:5
27:19
114:25
104:17
51:21
45:25
24:3
89:7
43:4
hangs [1)
happening (3) 43:13
116:22
happiness [7]
83:17
14:2
99:17
122:21
handle [1)
handles (1)
hands [1)
handy (1)
hang (2) 28:8
hanging (5)
17:6
heap (1) 129:2
hear (3) 19:6 63:8
119:15
11:8
3:12
14:4
12:25 13:2
14:14
14:8
14:9
14:21 17:10 56:2
95:23
67:5
70:9
106:23 116:21
96:3
125:21 129:5
greeted [1)
9:20
grew (5) 7:8
12:18
18:12 19:16 107:15
GRID [1)
94:4
grief [1) 102:1
grocery (2)
59:15
59:19
ground [1)
56:19
group (12)
36:11
36:11 41:19 43:3
49:13 49:17
43:5
62:13 71:22 71:23
71:24 73:1
11:15
grouping [1)
groups (2)
71:19
121:17
grow (2) 59: 1 126:11
growing (3)
25:16
25:21 122:14
5:10
grownui
92:2
12:6
grows [1)
Guerrero (2) 63:2
63:3
guess [55)
2:19
4:22
6:11
3:10
13:9
13:6
6:25
16:24 17:3
15:3
20:17 23:20
19:9
40:21
39:1
26:9
hardships [1)
hat [1) 80:13
hate (2) 83:17
hated (2)
115:9
115:15 115:18 115:23
115:25 116:8 116:14
happy (2)
115:21
115:21
122:13
harassed [1)
2:16
hard (10)
28:1
2:17
3:6
59:23 67:14 104:3
105:21 109:24 109:25
75:6
harder [1)
111:16
hardest [1)
10:20
hardly (2)
59:10
81:11
41:6
58:2
84:8
helicopter [1) 53:4
hell (6) 15:14 16:3
94:15 110:7
112:14
hello [1) 75:16
help (9) 3:12
97:19
90:4
111:25 112:1
130:19
helped (3)
112:13
71:22
97:20
130:17
15:8
115:19 130:2
helping (4)
77:6
130:3
helps (2) 91:7
Herb (2) 8:19
hers (2) 6:3
herself [1)
heterosexual [1]
35:2
hi [21
45:14
hiatus (1)
hidden (1)
hierarchy [1)
High (1) 39:23
high (30) 5:7
7:4
7:8
77:6
130:12
130:4
8:20
6:3
119:15
45:14
76:20
2:14
12:11
5:7
7:14
grammar - immerse
Edd Dundas
7:14
11:7
32:2
32:12
38:15
43:19
56:5
84:24
117:24
9:1
12:14
32:8
36:15
39:20
47:25
78:20
92:4
9:1
21:6
32:8
36:16
41:19
49:16
79:19
92:7
higher [1)
20:16
Hill [1) 82:24
hill [1) 110:24
Hills [1) 82:18
Himalayas (1) 21:3
16:7
himself (2)
111:6
87:2
hippie (1)
hire (1) 107:10
hired (5)
6:18
65:10 85:3
124:16
85:10
Hispanic (2)
48:23
52:18
4:1
20:12
26:13
39:14
43:8
70:24
80:19
81:22
105:15
105:25
106:14
106:23
108:12
113:7
household (2)
houses (4)
105:12 106:2
historical [1)
History [1)
history (3)
128:3
1:2
14:1
hit (1)
hitch [1)
hitting [1)
hmrn
hoc [1)
holding [1)
Hollowburg [1)
Hollywood [1)
home (29)
20:1
34:13
45:1
51:25
54:21
59:14
63:24
69:15
81:25
homes (4)
59:2
64:23
homework [1)
homophobic (2)
96:3
101:5
51: 13
89:14
4:5
25:5
34:14
50:3
52:1
59:11
63:20
64:4
74:23
88:25
11:19
113:5
52:18
homosexual (l) 57:19
hope (5) 17:2 64:17
72:1
104:11 128:19
79:19
93:12
hoping (1)
horizon [1)
Hom (1)
horrible (1)
hospice (1)
5:10
12:10
112:7
53:13
123:18
huhrn 29:4
34:24
121:6
122:4
101:17 114:19
hopes (2)
Houston [1)
HRC (1)
Human (2)
95:16
38:4
110:25
117:22
mV(1)
Hm(1)
3:25
5:22
20:15
37:9
42:24
50:4
77:15
81:18
87:16
105:20
106:7
106:18
107:5
109:6
53:16
27:6
3:19
50:24
17:18
49:24
121:14
house (42)
4:1
20:11
26:11
39:12
42:25
64:22
80:6
81:22
101:5
105:24
106:12
106:21
108:11
110:23
101:19
95:18
18:11
82:17
7:23
25:14
39:13
50:5
54:1
59:13
63:20
64:13
76:4
112:24
hospital [1)
hot (2) 58:2
hour [1) 37:11
hours (3)
111:6
20:1
17:7
114:19
112:10
humane [1)
humanely (1)
hundred (6)
128:2
127:19
10:19
127:16 128:17
71:4
128:25 129:4
hundreds [1) 6:15
hung (4) 36:4 40:25
43:20 68:18
5:4
hunks [1)
57:23
hunter [1)
74:15
husband [1)
-1ice (2) 36:19
idea (4) 4:8
34:25
116:21
ideal (1) 29: 1
ideas [2] 121:17
identical (1)
identity [1)
6:10
ill [1)
Illinois (4)
14:12
14:13
illness [1)
imagination [1)
Imagine [1)
imagine (3)
118:7
36:19
17:4
126:7
115:25
42:1
5:5
14:15
24:18
97:17
19:17
18:3
128:18
imagined [1) 21:9
immediately (2)
6:22
59:9
immerse (1)
71:16
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important [13) 9:14
19:4
18:5
19:4
19:11 41:20 45:3
62:6
45:3
46:9
79:3
128:7 130:5
importantly [1) 30:7
impossible [3) 29:2
72:17 115:22
impressed [I) 14:19
inaudible [28) 2:11
11:21 12:2
5:3
27:3
27:5
30:18
50:25
37:17 39:2
54:15 60:3
61:5
62:14 62:16 70:17
77:2
80:10 83:23
95:12
91:8
95:7
99:6
99:13 99:14
112:13 122:18 125:14
inches [I)
21:6
40:21
inclined [1)
21:16
included [2]
40:10
inclusive [1)
12:17
income [2)
106:16
108:1
incorrectly [I) 121:18
increasing [1) 106:25
incredible [I) 14:23
incurable [1)
73:8
independence [1)
129:8
independent [2)
24:17 24:21
India [I)
87:9
20:22
Indians [1)
119:10
indicator [1)
29:13
induce [I)
indulge [1)
20:20
Industries [1) 77:9
industries [1) 27:13
industry [I)
47:11
inflation [I)
106:24
influence [1)
5:20
Information [I)
60:21
information [1) 127:14
inherited [4]
111:3
111:16 111:17 113:19
76:24
inside [1)
16:21
instead (2)
126:11
Intelligence [1) 126:24
81:3
intense [11
122:21
intention [1)
tnter rn 76:19
inter-dependent [1)
129:15
7:23
interest (5)
7:24
29:10 32:21
37:23
interested [5) 21:24
62:4
22:6
117:14
interesting [6)
22:8
8:17
75:24 118:11
interests [2)
42:2
interrupted [5)
86:7
117:19
124:7
interrupts [1)
Interview [1)
interview [1)
62:5
3:20
75:18
31:5
73:5
121:11
53:8
1:6
1:15
Interviewer ra 53:8
117:19
73:5
86:7
121:11 124:7
intimacy [2)
73:2
89:21
45:22
intimate [4)
71:17 72:19 73:14
introduce [I) 92:24
introduced [4) 62:17
78:24 82:10 93:1
invasion [1)
60:23
invent [1)
113:19
invented [1)
16:6
69:6
inventive [1)
investments [I) 29:3
21:19
invite [4)
88:2
88:5
43:2
invited [3)
21:23
85:17
79:9
inviting [I)
34:7
involved [5)
116:3
116:4 116:24 117:2
117:22
Irish [2) 13:18 14:1
Irishman [I)
4:23
irreverent [I) 54:18
87:5
Island [2)
87:6
tssue rn 100:16 100:17
issues [1)
123:13
it'd [1) 67:10
it'll [1) 96:24
68:25
Italian [2)
93:21
Italianish [I) 101:23
Italy (4) 69:1
93:19
93:20 93:24
-JJ[3)
124:20
125:2
Jack [2] 76:2
James [I)
January (2)
87:22
Japan (17)
52:17
52:2
57:16 75:10
78:1
78:1
125:1
101:6
123:10
28:18
51:23
57:13
77:20
78:11
78:21 78:22
81:10 88:15
129:21
Japanese [11)
75:14 75:22
77:18 79:7
80:22 80:23
81:21
JD[342) 1:15
2:1
1:22
3:25
2:11
4:9
4:7
4:19
4:16
5:14
5:6
5:24
6:2
6:16
6:6
7:5
7:3
8:9
8:7
10:11
10:9
10:19 10:23
12:4
12:2
12:24 13:13
13:17 13:22
14:21 15:3
15:17 15:20
16:16
16:4
17:7
17:3
19:19
18:9
20:19 20:22
22:12 22:23
23:10 24:7
25:20 25:23
26:17 26:25
28:20 29:5
29:23 30:3
30:17 30:25
32:5
32:9
32:13 32:16
32:20 33:14
33:19 34:2
34:10 34:13
34:23 34:25
35:8
35:5
35:17 36:2
36:13
36:7
36:22 36:25
38:4
37:6
38:16 38:19
41:8
39:4
41:23 42:5
42:12 42:18
46:15 46:25
47:13 47:16
47:25 48:6
48:15 49:11
49:21 50:10
50:20 50:22
53:10 53:16
54:23 55:2
55:11 55:20
57:11 58:20
59:13
59:7
59:19 60:15
60:20 61:7
61:15 61:17
62:4
62:7
62:13 62:16
62:24 63:6
63:13 63:15
64:7
64:4
65:16 65:20
80:17
129:12
75:14
77:17
80:9
81:2
1:20
2:5
4:2
4:14
5:2
5:21
6:4
7:1
7:13
10:5
10:15
11:21
12:21
13:15
14:1
15:10
15:25
16:20
18:2
20:7
22:5
23:5
24:12
26:4
28:16
29:14
30:15
31:5
32:11
32:18
33:16
34:7
34:21
35:3
35:13
36:5
36:17
37:2
38:13
38:23
41:10
42:7
45:16
47:11
47:19
48:11
49:15
50:12
51:22
53:20
55:7
57:8
58:22
59:17
60:17
61:11
61:22
62:10
62:21
63:10
63:19
65:6
65:22
important - kids
Edd Dundas
65:24 66:4
66:23 67:23
68:7
68:11
68:20 69:3
69:10 70:22
71:13
71:2
72:14
72:4
73:6
73:9
74:17 74:20
76:11 76:13
76:17 77:4
77:21 77:25
78:8
81:9
81:16 83:2
83:13 83:16
83:21 84:1
84:6
84:19
86:9
86:16
89:10 91:19
96:19 97:9
97:21 97:24
98:17 98:19
99:3
99:6
99:16 99:19
102:5 102:15
102:22 102:25
104:15 104:25
108:5 108:9
108:16 108:19
109:4 109:6
109:13 109:15
109:23 110:2
111:1 111:13
112:5 112:7
112:16 112:21
113:21 113:23
114:12 114:15
115:12 116:11
116:16 116:23
117:6 117:8
118:6 118:15
119:2 119:10
120:12 120:16
121:12 122:4
122:9 123:2
123:9 123:11
124:8 124:14
125:2 125:7
126:1 126:14
126:22 127:2
127:13 128:1
130:14
jeep (2) 54:8
jeopardy [I)
Jerry (6)
8:21
8:22
49:8
9:18
Jersey [2)
64:1
jets [I) 14:25
Jim [4) 1:9
44:13 45:7
job [24) 7:15
27:11 47:3
50:1
50:2
59:23 60:4
60:7
64:13
65:4
102:5
102:7 105:3
118:4 125:12
66:15
68:2
68:16
69:7
70:24
71:16
73:1
73:23
76:8
76:15
77:18
78:4
81:12
83:4
83:19
84:4
84:21
87:5
96:16
97:12
98:9
98:22
99:11
101:16
102:17
103:14
108:2
108:13
109:1
109:11
109:20
110:15
111:22
112:10
112:24
114:3
115:5
116:13
117:1
117:20
118:20
119:13
120:20
122:7
123:5
123:22
124:19
125:19
126:19
127:5
130:8
III :5
54:19
8:19
8:23
64:1
43:16
8:17
49:25
50:18
60:6
64:15
102:6
105:9
128:11
128:11
jobs [7) 8:16
38:14 47:13
53:23 105:4
Joe [1) 82:25
Joe's [I) 82:24
John [6) 65:8
68:7
68:8
97:24
John's [3)
43:2
68:9
join [3) 40:6
121:18
joined [2)
121:22
joining [1)
Jonathan [2)
71:20
Jose [3) 49:1
49:19
Journalism [1)
journalism [1)
journalist [2)
123:9
July [2) 81:25
jumped [2)
118:20
June [8) 39:15
50:22 82:4
84:4
84:5
jungle [1)
Junior [I)
junior nei
32:12
32:8
41:18 47:4
64:16 65:18
juvenile [I)
26:7
47:25
65:9
85:13
42:25
55:2
14:13
39:11
68:20
49:2
5:3
123:6
123:5
87:23
17:12
39:15
83:9
86:20
21:7
65:19
32:7
36:16
56:14
78:20
92:25
-KKabuki [I)
Kale [l) 127:7
Kanji [1)
keeprc 41:17
105:3 109:25
Ken [1) 100:3
Kensington [1)
kept [9) 22:2
43:18 53:5
73:9
73:19
91:9
key [1) 33:5
KGO[I)
Kibiah[I)
kid (3) 18:21
37:15
kids [30] 11:2
11:7
11:4
12:14 12:14
14:9
18:15
20:22 21:20
33:21 33:25
34:6
34:6
34:19 34:19
79:6
79:6
105:2
11:25
38:10
73:7
78:25
81:4
40:10
35:20
11:3
11:14
12:14
20:3
22:1
34:2
34:18
35:2
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35:2
35:5
74:16
35:3
38:15
kill (1) 67:10
killing [1)
Kind (3) 23:2
35:3
43:2
87:8
5:10
22:19
7:10
11:8
41:10
41:3
26:3
43:5
43:11 49:4
50:16 55:17 55:18
56:4
57:25 58:2
67:16 69:14 70:4
85:7
76:5
78:2
88:2
85:14 87:2
88:20 89:12 89:20
91:23
90:10 91:1
92:16
92:1
92:9
93:14 94:21 95:13
97:18 1I9:14 121:4
125:23 126:20
kindergarten [1)
23:3
kinds
20:19
[6)
87:13 99:22
22:5
122:18 127:20
kiss [1) 56:21
56:21
kissed (1)
56:22
kissing (1)
80:8
kitchen (1)
knee (1) 48:4
8:12
knew [29)
10:16
8:23
8:25
18:18
15:25 16:1
18:19 25:10 39:1
41:6
39:6
41:6
54:12
47:8
52:9
55:12 55:20 55:23
73:19
57:5
68:6
87:20
74:2
78:9
100:18 100:18 125:15
129:16
Knickerson [1) 105:14
Knickerson's [1]
112:25
18:13
98:23
2:17
51:18
99:10
knOWD(3)
119:17 124:1
knows (4)
33:9
103:17 125:23 126:1
50:18
Korea (4)
52:22 54:16 77:25
50:7
KPIX(1)
KR(1)
81:4
60:7
KRON(8)
60:15 60:16 64:14
65:22 70:25 71:5
71:7
KU[l) 79:22
-LL.A[2)
89:14
lab [1] 55:12
lack [1) 81: 16
49:12
lacking (2)
123:20
50:16
51:19
kind (42)
Knowing (1)
knowing [3)
126:25
laden (2)
13:II
13:16
laid (2) 27: II
Lake [1&)
47:23
1:19
2:9
3:2
2:5
10:25 1I:8
7:7
129:25
14:15 18:9
land (2) 4:14 4:15
14:1I
landed [1)
landlord (6)
113:8
113:9 113:12 113:23
1I4:8 1I4:18
80:22
language (2)
80:22
large (2) 4:21 4:21
Larson [1)
99: II
last [2&) 4:11 7:14
45:1I
28:4
27:9
60:20 60:21 62:18
84:10 84: II 84: II
102:5 102:6
95:1
102:7 104:23 1I4:18
125:6 125:7 125:7
4:13
lasted [1)
late [14) 13:12 16:23
16:23 39:21 39:24
44:16 48:13
40:6
73:20
51:7
50:8
106:4
85:12 94:5
laughs (49)
2:1I
4:24
1I:21
4:9
18:7
15:4
14:3
26:14 30:14
23:5
38:19 45:16
37:6
45:16 50:12 59:3
66:21
63:16 66:6
67:23 68:22 80:8
87:9
84:9
81:6
91:21 96:16 96:19
98:12 98:17 98:19
99:12 108:II 109:14
110:18 1I0:19 113:14
1I4:11 1I6:15 117:25
1I8:14 119:3 119:5
123:23 123:25 125:17
125:18 126:12 130:25
law [1) 56:11
lawyers (3)
121:24
122:1 122:2
layer [1) 47: 15
6:17
layout (3)
47:24
6:23
lead [1) 118:23
learn [7) 47:8 69:8
89:22 92:23
69:8
93:22 93:22
Learned [1)
51:16
learned [13)
9:24
40:11 45:24 74:1
89:18 89:19 90:6
91:23 93:21 101:2
103:1 104:2 128:10
learning (11)
77:17
77:18 80:23 107:13
128:6 128:7 128:13
128:17 128:19 128:22
128:23
learns (1)
129:1
lease (2) 108:25 1I4:13
108:23
leases [1)
3:8
least (11)
24:1
28:22
5:12
84:14 93:12 94:7
1I5:19 119:8 127:6
129:24
85:24
leather (2)
85:24
leave (6) 29:8 29:11
83:6
30:18 62:3
110:8
leaving [1)
25:5
79:7
lectured [1)
led [2) 24:7 122:16
left [16) 23:8 25:7
25:1I 25:13 25:13
63:24 65:15
59:7
89:15
68:19 70:3
90:18 93:17 93:18
Ill: 14
96:5
leg [1) 66:21
lemmings [1) 104:8
Leonard (1)
124:21
126:12
Lesbtrn
lesbian [1)
126:10
107:20
less (3) 2:1
107:21
58:19
lesson (1)
lets [1) 36:17
70:1
letters [1)
level (1) 24:2
129:3
leveling (1)
124:20
levels (1)
liberal [3)
125:2
125:20 125:21
librarian (4) 23:18
33:5
32:19 33:2
librarians (1) 23:20
22:14
library [5)
33:14
23:24 24:3
33:20
43:25
license (1)
3:13
life [4&) 2:8
10:2
11:11
3:24
21:23
14:16 19:4
27:11 27:25
22:1
40:14
28:6
28:1
40:21 41:12 46:10
57:22 58:15 67:23
70:7
70:5
68:6
75:2
71:25 72:2
84:24 99:21
75:2
99:24 100:21 104:3
110:25 115:8 1I8:7
118:11 119:6 122:16
127:18 127:21
life's (1) 119:7
kill-lower
Edd Dundas
lifetime (2)
14:25
15:1
light (2) 22:18
lighting (1)
lightly (1)
liked (39)
22:15
23:24
37:25
45:25
48:21
55:24
56:22
57:17
57:21
58:12
88:12
90:13
97:20
22:13
23:23
32:10
45:25
48:21
49:5
56:3
57:4
57:20
58:1I
77:8
90:6
97:10
34:6
66:9
53:4
7:17
23:23
31:15
40:18
46:6
49:4
55:25
57:2
57:17
57:22
58:13
88:13
92:13
liking (1)
31:20
Lily (1) 126:2
limit [1) 49:22
73:13
limited (1)
13:3
Lincoln (2)
13:5
line [2) 51:15
Linguistics [1)
liquid [1)
list (5) 80:3
117:4
121:8
listen [2)
52:8
78:18
47:2
80:4
121:10
74: II
120:3
listening [5)
120:19 128:14
128:22
live [16) II: I
68:14 80:16
107:25 108:6
113:2 1I4:1
1I9:24 127:18
127:19 129:5
lived [3&)
3:24
II: 13
20:25
49:2
64:10
70:19
93:10
95:2
96:5
114:3
3:25
11:24
24:19
57:13
64:24
81:18
93:10
95:4
108:14
124:4
lives [18)
42:22
63:2
72:15
73:7
93:14
114:24
63:1
68:24
72:17
73:9
94:19
115:18
living [2&)
120:2
128:21
loan [1) 105:24
loaned [1)
loans (1)
local [1) 47:3
location [1)
locks (2) 51:17
loft (1) 87: II
logs (1) 16:5
loneliness (3)
37:8
106:3
79:13
51:22
35:10
35:18
35:17
lonely (1)
longer (3)
35:16
91:6
103:6
91:17
longevity [1)
look (12) 6:2
17:17 22:16
57:24 57:25
92:9
98:20
129:11
looked (6)
19:1I
92:10
9:21
85:25
looking [121
9:19
49:8
88:15
122:1
9:5
49:7
67:14
101:24
looks [31
1I9:1I
15:15
28:2
70:8
127:4
9:18
85:23
9:2
26:21
64:19
88:18
91:24
92:14
92:1
92:3
looksism (1)
124:15
Loomis [1)
lord [2) 15:20 113:14
Los [3) 27:7 82:18
85:6
64:20
95:5
110:17
1I9: 18
127:19
3:1I
4:1
19:2
35:22
57:16
69:12
87:25
93:11
95:6
1I3:6
34:5
63:1
72:10
72:18
87:25
95:3
3:1
63:20
34:2
45:8
64:7
63:21 64:4
64:13 64:14 75:13
80:24 87:11 95:23
106:11 107:5
96:1
108:19 110:4 112:16
128:6
lose [3) 10:5
86:18
106:14
loss (1) 58:6
losses [1)
lost [8) 9:21
79:25
101:2
11:2
99:7
49:15
100:2
lots [6)
89:24
101:1
Love [1) 73:16
love [17) 23:25
44:10
68:4
78:2
95:20
99:14
52:13
73:16
85:2
99:10
109:9
10ved[5}
73:14
85:1
73:16
lovely [1)
lover [3) 90:1
102:23
49:15
99:24
103:II
21:19
101:1
33:16
57:12
75:10
89:8
99:12
120:2
19:14
73:17
126:3
110:2
111:18
lovers (1)
Loving (1)
low [3) 58:10
87:24
71:23
58:10
58:10
lower [2)
34:11
103:11
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luck [4) 89:7
108:18 122:23
lucky [2)
117:13
lunch [4)
71:11
71:7
Lund [6)
23:6
32:14
32:14 32:15
lust (1) 66:17
lying (1) 110:12
108:10
79:16
10:20
130:25
23:2
32:14
Lyndallrsi
83:6
113:21 114:3
83:6
114:9
Lyndall's (1)
114:15
-M66:2
M.A [6) 66:1
76:10 76:19 76:20
78:18
47:9
machine [5)
48:6
48:1
48:1
48:9
machinery (1) 47:7
Macy's(6)
9:3
9:12
9:4
9:3
10:11
10:8
magazines (3) 37:4
37:8
37:7
29:4
magic [1]
maid (1) 80:7
main [2] 53:14 102:8
maintenance [11
104:1
62:16
major (2)
95:19
9:2
make-up (1)
82:15
maker [1)
1:21
Makes [2]
120:11
makes [3]
1:20
115:1
48:2
9:5
makeup [2]
9:24
male [1] 122:14
male-female [I)
31:3
13:8
mantsi 8:22
17:21
16:5
16:5
82:20 82:22
27:8
109:25
manage (1)
65:7
manager [1]
managing [I) 108:7
map [1) 51:20
50:21
March [2]
50:21
85:19
marched [1]
9:13
Marge [2]
112:12
64:17
Mario [1)
67:7
Mark [4]
85:12 85:17 101:7
marked [2)
8:5
Market [4)
86:11
3:16
market [4)
92:18 105:4
married [5)
45:8
63:25
74:22
Marrow (1)
marrow [1)
Martina [1)
marvelous (1)
Mary [1)
Mary's [1)
Maryland [2]
51:25
MASH[s]
54:10
54:8
54:13 54:14
54:20
mass (1) 123:6
master's [I)
Masters (1)
match [1)
Matoo14]
46:19 60:10
materials [I)
Maternal [1)
Math (1)
math (3) 8:1
46:22
matter (2)
89:12
matters [I)
May [3) 1:15
96:6
may [7) 4:11
33:7
35:5
98:23 98:25
McCarthy [I)
McLuhan(1)
meal [1] 88:7
mean [57)
5:11
6:6
10:13 12:5
13:15 15:20
22:19 31:2
35:17 35:18
37:21 43:6
53:19 56:2
57:5
56:5
59:4
62:21
68:22 70:7
73:16 76:23
85:19
82:6
94:23 97:9
101:12 104:16
105:1 105:17
114:12 114:19
117:6 117:6
120:14 121:2
126:15 129:13
Meaning [1]
8:4
1:3
103:16
78:21
105:9
45:4
64:1
48:6
48:1
126:18
5:25
61:22
62:24
51:14
53:6
54:11
54:17
66:12
66:7
85:24
46:18
60:11
77:7
119:13
8:5
31:8
28:24
117:15
39:3
15:22
84:12
124:4
123:8
5:2
6:14
12:8
17:19
34:24
37:14
46:25
56:4
57:14
68:14
71:16
78:4
91:19
97:12
104:18
111 :8
115:6
120:14
121:5
22:16
meaning [2)
20:16
21:22
meaningful (1) 14:17
means [1)
120:3
meant [7)
8:6
41:5
71:24 97:21
115:21
97:23 98:9
meantime (1) 60:5
Meanwhile [I) 81:9
Meat (1) 99:14
meat [I) 92:6
Mechanics (1) 9:6
media [1)
5:21
Medical (1)
78:1
53:14
medical [1)
39:25
meet [9] 26:5
54:10 79:16 79:21
118:3 118:3 121:12
121:13
meeting [1)
30:11
meeting's (1) 30:13
30:20
meetings [I)
121:5
member [2]
121:8
118:20
members (1)
memorable (2) 24:5
33:2
memories (1) 2:12
men [1] 84:13
119:11
men's [1)
111 :9
mentality [I)
mention [2]
102:19
102:22
33:8
mentor [1)
Merced (1)
95:22
merry-go-round (1)
26:21
met (27) 17:15 17:21
27:8
35:20 43:15
43:18 57:22 58:1
64:16 64:19 65:8
66:10 66:10 76:4
76:5
82:10 82:11
85:22 93:17
85:3
96:7
96:23
95:5
98:13 99:15 111:23
126:21
metaphor (4)
118:12
118:12 119:4 127:23
Mexico (1)
48:25
Mi(1) 81:23
102:23
Michael [1]
midIS] 45:10 45:10
94:5
74:2
71:5
mid-November [I)
8:18
12:14
middle (8)
24:9
17:20 24:8
68:20 110:8 116:18
116:19
51:5
midnight [2)
51:6
might[,]
17:5
luck - moved
Edd Dundas
19:8
25:25 26:17
83:4
85:10 94:23
105:2 118:4
migrate [1)
126:22
Mike [4) 95:3
95:6
95:14 95:15
miles [2)
19:2
120:18
milk [1) 36:20
million [2)
61:1
86:9
mime (1)
76:3
mind [S] 35:13 35:14
83:1
91:25
54:4
Mine [I) 63:8
minimum (1)
105:17
Minnesota [I) 23:10
22:16
miracle [1)
mischievous (1)
15:5
32:14
Miss 15) 23:2
32:14 32:15 32:16
missed [3]
58:16
58:19 103:13
missing (2)
57:8
101:13
76:25
Mission [1]
missionaries (2)
14:7
14:10
mistake [2]
47:6
89:2
96:11
mistress (2)
96:12
mistresses [2] 98:24
99:4
misunderstandings [I)
19:9
25:10
mixed [1)
Mm[3] 20:4
67:23
110:25
model [1]
62:23
modern (1)
129:12
Moffett (2)
10:6
10:15
momentarily (3)
26:19 61:14 114:22
115:18
moments [1)
mommy (2)
59:2
126:9
Monday (3)
79:21
80:19
80:5
2:21
money [22]
37:12
2:22
29:9
38:16 47:22 50:13
67:22 67:22 68:1
68:14 68:17
68:4
70:25 106:4 106:14
106:17 106:22 107:2
107:20 107:20 112:9
monogamous (2)
88:22 88:22
monstrous [I) 61:4
month (5)
39:22
39:22 51:24
100:1
months [16]
28:5
28:4
61:2
55:5
64:14 71:11
86:20 89:12
116:10
96:5
Moon (1)
moon [2)
81:16
Moore [1)
Monnon[3)
14:6
14:5
54:25
Mormons ru
12:4
129:24
10:21
50:10
118:15
118:15
14:13
12:5
morning [7)
37:5
50:1
80:25 83:7
morning's [I)
Most (1) 36:7
most [24]
5:11
4:24
24:4
19:3
47:16
41:7
88:23 101:17
104:5 106:17
117:23 123:13
128:23 129:1
130:3 130:3
Mostly [1)
mostly [9]
32:15 36:21
46:1
43:6
117:21 130:8
mot [1) 99:1
mother [13]
13:10 17:9
20:13 37:8
39:11 39:17
44:17 75:1
mother's (7)
13:10
5:23
64:12 119:8
motive [1)
mots (1) 127:14
Mountains (2)
43:1
mountains (4)
106:1
43:8
mouth (1)
1:21
54:25
61:3
78:2
93:17
122:6
46:7
22:17
100:3
12:6
2:2
14:7
33:19
67:4
103:9
117:12
128:21
129:25
106:22
15:6
43:5
46:1
5:15
19:20
39:7
44:1
119:10
5:21
13:10
119:10
130:24
42:25
15:14
106:2
3:9
61:1
movets:
63:19 108:11 111:8
113:24
13:2
moved [32]
26:9
13:6
13:6
39:15
26:12 38:9
59:11
41:16 53:7
64:1
59:14 64:1
64:15 65:4
64:9
74:21 87:21 91:11
91:11 91:22 92:23
95:11 109:9
93:6
110:2 110:22 111:4
111:17 112:1 114:4
129:25
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movement [1) 60:23
2:4
movie [5)
19:18
65:12
movies
54:12
[7)
19:21
54:8
19:16
54:7
moving [3)
38:23
54:13
neededtsi
40:10
neediness [1)
80:9
52:10
52:10
multiple [1)
Mum [1)
Mura rst
78:14
78:17
79:21
78:16
78:18
music [5)
120:2 120:3
128:22
must [11)
4:8
16:25
33:12
93:15
5:25
17:13
42:19
needs
58:21
[4)
84:9
neglected [2)
26:6
67:2
78:12
83:6
123:3
58:24
52:8
58:20
88:17
3:14
neighbor [1)
8:19
neighborhood [s)
101:11
120:3
neighborhoods [1)
2:1
16:2
28:25
92:22
9:15
13:13 16:12 23:1
40:4
78:14 81:10
89:16 96:23
89:5
101:23 113:18 114:13
121:8 121:10
43:16
named [6)
56:14 82:22 95:14
101:20 105:14
names [2)
11:5
23:5
Narrator [6]
53:9
117:19
73:5
86:8
121:11 124:7
114:6
Nations [1)
43:12
natural [1)
124:23
nature [1)
121:20
naught n:
NaVeaU[I)
14:15
55:2
Navy [3)
60:21 74:23
nays [1) 30:21
near rq 3:16 50:4
64:22 119:19
nearly II)
86:13
neat II] 6:4
Nebraska 12] 13:3
13:6
necessarily [1) 94:3
necessary [2) 90:8
98:6
69:19
Nedig's [1)
need [IS)
2:22
24:16
11:1
20:16
26:9
11:20
20:16
33:25
18:15
21:20
86:12
Neither [1)
Ness [2) 109:16
network [1)
Never rn
never [44)
nice [14) 5: 1
30:18
58:6
74:13
88:24
55:18
62:19
88:9
96:9
Nick [19)
50:13
79:15
95:19
113:6
1:23
78:13
78:16
78:21
-Nname [15)
67:3
90:4
50:14
81:2
97:15
needing rn
mud [1) 21:7
muffled rn
8:8
58:8
75:8
81:14
120:8
130:24
1:25
20:2
101:7
34:15
83:7
Mrs [3) 32:14
6:21
27:2
73:3
80:24
114:23
129:9
10:16
109:19
62:1
74:19
3:21
10:15 15:3
9:7
25:12
25:3
16:7
27:12
25:25 26:5
37:4
38:1
28:4
42:10 42:13
40:1
42:14 42:14 42:20
56:3
54:19 56:1
67:22 68:10 69:12
71:6
71:11
71:4
84:18 85:18 86:22
95:7
92:15 93:5
98:25 101:18 107:16
107:17 108:22 111:5
114:2 117:1 122:13
127:11
New [11) 14:11 16:9
64:1
58:4
64:1
64:18 67:20 69:13
127:7
98:5
94:5
neW[12) 5:8
16:13
33:4
16:21 28:6
33:14 59:24 97:24
98:13 107:8 107:9
117:23
news [1) 103:21
newspaper [2) 77:14
123:9
newspapers [l) 37:4
Next [1] 28:19
11:16
next [29) 9:9
11:17 11:25 21:14
21:18 26:22 29:25
40:9
38:12 40:5
43:14 43:25 45:6
61:3
49:10 52:8
83:5
69:22 82:4
86:19 86:20 90:23
110:20
98:6
98:5
113:13 116:9 129:4
76:5
84:22
85:21
89:7
89:23
95:5
82:22
84:24
85:23
89:8
90:3
96:1
82:25
75:4
nick [1)
niece [2)
night [Ui)
6:14
50:9
77:11
93:7
96:25
22:17
62:18
80:5
93:8
97:4
nights [4)
77:16
94:15
nine (5) 95:9
98:22
111:7
ninety [1)
Nixon (1)
nobody [3)
32:19
23:2
56:18
70:8
88:11
97:18
67:25
83:1
85:2
88:20
89:15
94:9
127:1
75:5
2:15
49:25
66:13
80:19
96:8
110:8
6:9
94:16
96:14
114:4
51:1
75:16
11:16
36:4
Nogales [1)
5:7
noises [l)
84:16
non-Japanese [1)
78:25
non-recognition (1)
66:24
non-tenant [1)
non-work [1)
none [3) 68: 1
114:9
74:12
72:6
103:25
92:8
nonsense (1)
nor [1) 36:11
42:22
North [1)
13:23
north [1)
Northwestern [2)
5:3
79:7
Norway [1)
13:19
Norwegian-Gennan-Danish
[1)
23:7
notes [1) 43:17
Nothing [3)
73:24
3:3
9:12
12:1
28:23
36:5
45:16
55:22
57:24
64:21
68:5
69:18
74:1
83:4
87:3
90:24
103:3
107:1
116:6
125:7
6:8
10:8
19:17
30:21
42:22
47:10
57:7
58:14
65:1
68:25
72:3
75:4
84:14
89:5
96:24
105:7
107:16
118:8
126:14
nuclear [1)
nucleus [1)
nude [1) 89:6
number (9)
2:14
29:9
55:18
19:7
62:10 70:10 70:11
113:25
75:9
75:8
121:20 121:21 122:20
124:6
November [2) 52:1
82:1
2:8
Now [13)
20:7
21:21
7:16
49:11 55:20
27:5
92:8
84:2
74:2
112:16 121:4 125:9
now [SS) 1:20 2:2
27:5
117:17
29:7
99:5
62:2
105:3 109:22
117:11
130:11
nurses (2)
130:12
53:11
nursing [1)
130:8
nurtured [1)
-00[1)
69:21
o'clock [4)
51:7
69:21
O'Connor [3)
10:9
50:9
110:11
10:6
10:15
O'Connor-Moffett [1)
9:4
Oaxaca [1)
object [3)
89:11
27:8
22:18
121:16
objective (2)
35:19
35:20
objectively [1) 44:8
observable [1) 112:23
observe [3)
79:10
79:10
32:1
8:22
11:5
27:11
33:13
45:8
49:11
57:15
58:15
67:19
69:7
72:16
75:22
84:20
89:16
100:24
105:18
107:25
120:12
34:5
105:2
117:4
92:12
obviously [2)
73:24
nothing [14)
movement - one
Edd Dundas
59:11
122:3
occasionally [1)
25:18
occupying [1)
occurred [1)
Octoberra
52:1
96:6
odd 13]
82:2
99:17
26:7
102:9
44:12
50:24
82:4
36:25
85:14
off [26) 20:7
25:11
27:11
51:24
61:14
73:9
26:18
35:7
52:19
65:15
83:9
21:19
26:19
51:15
59:10
66:18
96:3
104:20 105:2 110:24
114:4 114:22 118:17
122:1 129:3 130:19
111:11
offense [1)
offer [1) 127:13
23:19
offering [1)
7:15
office [2)
8:21
often [4) 79:18 94:13
108:5 130:13
OHP[I) 1:8
Oils [1) 6:5
old [lSI 1:20 16:10
27:10 37:22 39:18
49:16 59:14 59:17
67:9
61:8
61:7
94:13 103:14
91:4
105:22
11:7
older [lSI
25:20 36:24
20:4
37:21 37:24 38:3
96:11 96:12
91:6
98:14 98:24
97:2
103:12 128:7
Once [1) 67:19
3:15
once [11)
13:22 15:18 28:15
47:14 61:11
45:4
61:12 65:18 85:22
130:9
1:11
One (13) 1:11
1:13
1:13
1:12
47:13 52:15 70:15
79:11 83:11 83:24
112:10 127:13
one [107) 1:16 4:11
9:25
7:25
6:7
10:11 10:23 11:15
15:16 17:22
15:1
19:13 20:11 21:13
21:14 21:17 22:17
27:10
24:25 25:2
27:13 27:17 29:10
29:11 29:21 31:23
34:12 34:13
33:1
34:14 34:14 34:24
35:11 35:20 37:10
37:13 37:16 37:18
39:22 41:16 42:2
42:21 44:25 45:23
47:25
47:5
47:1
50:18 51:4
50:1
52:16 52:20 55:7
62:24 62:25
55:8
66:13 68:20
66:8
74:8
71:18 74:6
75:15
74:11 75:4
80:14
79:11 80:9
83:24 84:25
83:2
88:20
85:11 88:7
90:12 90:20 91:17
91:19 92:24 95:4
96:25
96:4
95:4
97:24 98:7
97:4
100:1 102:21 103:10
105:2 105:22 107:3
107:3 107:25 111:2
112:10 113:12 113:24
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115:8 117:20 118:22
121:19 123: 12 123:12
124:21 126:9 126:21
one-bedroom [2]
64:25 110:23
one-person [1] 127:11
ones [2] 23:13 80:3
onto [1] 38:20
open [2] 51:17 55:15
18:7
opened [2]
39:25
operate [1]
48:3
40:7
operetta [2]
40:10
86:23
opinion [2]
125:1
opportunities (3]
69:24
69:24
78:4
overnight [2]
118:4
overt [1) 44:23
overwhebned [1]
66:17
overworked [1] 54:6
owe [1] 63:16
own [21] 4:1
5:19
9:16
24:21
44:2
77:12
111:23
116:4
122:21
18:25
35:13
77:8
79:9
112:21
116:6
owned [1]
owns (1) 113:15
Ozoo [1] 52: 17
121:3
129:20
opposite tn
optimistic [1)
options [1)
Oral [1] 1:2
oral [5] 31:12
31:15
31:21
Orange [1)
Ordru 51:3
order [5)
86:25 90:8
128:10
ordinarily [1)
Oregon [4)
16:17
16:19
108:2
30:10
32:1
31:14
31:22
69:19
53:7
113:4
54:5
16:10
16:20
organization [3]
117:12 121:23
organized [1]
orientation (1)
original [2]
60:23
originally [1]
Oro [1]
Orleans [1]
Osaka [1]
osmosis [2]
58:18
Otherwise [1]
124:12
65:13
72:21
60:22
124: 16
32:18
16:9
52:15
12:18
16:9
000[2] 111:23 112:11
127:4
ought [1]
ourselves [3J 35:22
41:22 104:13
76:22
outdoors (1]
115:5
outline [1]
outside (3]
61:13
76:23 110:16
overboard [3] 17:12
54:14 118:17
48:5
overlock [2]
48:9
19:16
42:1
77:12
107:7
113:22
122:21
113:7
-P-
122:14
18:10
93:5
94:13
opportunity [3) 31:12
opposed [3]
packed [1]
pads [3] 48: 11
79:15
80:4
79:13
106:15
painted [2]
6:7
6:13
Painter [1]
painting [3]
22:9
5:22
6:12
107:7
paintings [2]
5:22
6:15
pangs [1]
paper [4]
36:12
23:1
101:25
parties [2]
117:24
partner [1)
partners [1]
Party [1]
party I']
25:1
56:10
56:8
73:4
[1]
passion
passive (2]
58:22
56:7
126:16
114:16
15:16
6:20
56:9
58:11
12:5
120:7
past (ll 28:2
128:8
pastime (11
Pat [1] 123:24
paternalism [1] 130:21
paternalistic [1)
130:24
39:16
48:19
48:21
page [1) 113:1
pages [1)
paid [4] 30:1
particularly [5] 4:22
82:9
31:14
118:15
31:22 37:2
parachutes (1) 48:16
Parade [1]
85:11
parade (7]
85:11
85:17 85:19 85:21
86:2
86:4
86:6
paradise [1]
34:4
parallel [1]
33:7
paramedics [3] 53:16
53:17 53:19
parents [11]
2:7
19:7
12:16 19:5
24:24 31:3
19:9
38:17 42:12 44:13
58:17
68:25
Paris rn
Parkrn 71:23 95:22
park [1] 56:19
part [(j] 22:2 70:7
107:13 109:4 122:22
122:22
part-time (3] 7:15
77:5
77:5
particular [3] 45:18
114:8 121:17
Particularly [1)
15:5
path[ll 31:24
patients [5]
103:9
103:10 103:12 103:18
112:10
pattem[s]
13:19
73:16 73:17
31:9
91:6
Paul (3] 124:21 125:1
125:2
Pauline [1]
127:7
15:22
paved [1]
pay [5] 68:6 68:14
68:17 105:18 111:10
paying [1]
50:14
payment [1]
105:17
peculiar (1]
71:13
peer [2] 12:7 97:15
peers [2]
20:4
20:6
Peninsula [4] 39:13
129:21
52:17 75:7
2:25
people [US]
4:23
3:20
3:13
17:11
16:5
17:3
26:6
23:12 26:5
31:2
26:20 27:7
32:20 32:22 32:25
33:12
33:6
33:9
37:22 37:24
36:7
38:3
38:2
38:1
40:15 40:20 41:13
44:6
41:14 43:6
44:9
47:16 48:21
48:24 51:15 52:4
54:1
53:22 54:1
54:10 57:25
54:4
58:12 60:23 61:1
61:10 65:11 68:13
71:12 71:14 71:16
72:9
71:24 72:8
72:18 73:15 73:17
77:6
73:18 74:7
79:3
79:16 79:16
80:15 85:19 86:9
88:13 88:20 92:5
one-bedroom - planned
Edd Dundas
92:10
98:13
100:3
101:6
101:25
103:25
104:15
108:20
113:8
116:7
117:6
117:18
122:16
122:24
124:1
125:21
128:14
129:6
130:4
92:17
98:14
100:4
101:10
102:2
104:7
104:22
108:23
113:12
116:24
117:11
122:9
122:17
123:18
124:2
126:5
128:22
129:7
94:22
98:14
100:21
101:16
102:17
104:10
104:25
110:6
116:3
117:1
117:13
122:15
122:19
123:19
125:20
128:14
128:24
129:23
Pbilip(3]
91:15
92:24
91:15
philosophical [1]
28:15
philosophy [1]
Phoenix [2)
117:16
5:6
75:5
phone [2]
114:19
114:22
phones [2]
83:11
83:14
photo [2]
89:11
89:11
photographer [1]
35:14
photographing [1]
29:6
29:11
29:16
photographs [2)
82:21
51:18
percent [8)
29:10
29:15
perfect (1]
perfectly [2]
19:21
115:24
55:9
121:4
93:6
92:3
periodically [1] 67:12
periods [1]
10:25
permanent (2] 37:23
91:19
persistently [1) 26:8
person [18]
9:14
24:1
24:5
19:4
44:4
44:25
33:6
45:2
58:16 66:16
84:7
84:8
91:15
95:2
107:13
92:1
127:17 127:17
personal [(j]
85:8
94:19 105:23
88:6
105:24 106:3
personality [1] 93:16
perspective [1) 128:3
67:25
Peter [12]
68:23 91:11 91:22
91:25 92:19 92:19
94:8
92:23 93:3
94:10 94:19
petty [2] 19:8 19:8
PG&E[l]
62:19
27:5
Ph.D's [1]
pharmaceutical [1]
85:7
Pbannaceuticals [1]
82:15
pharmacist [2] 52:20
52:23
pharmacists [5]
53:12
54:5
Pbannacy [1]
85:5
89:6
photography [3]
77:10
Phuru 60:25
phys [1] 43:5
88:10
physical (3]
84:8
18:4
61:11
19:20
perhaps [1]
period [4)
53:10
53:25
52:14
52:23
85:4
people's [2]
29:7
29:14
78:19
pbannacy [21
53:23
52:24
120:14 120:17
physician [1]
physicians [1]
pick [5] 43:23
51:17 74:1
picked (4]
3:21
70:5
picking [1]
picks [1] 68:11
picture [3]
18:5
103:5
103:9
44:2
91:5
3:21
121:18
51:22
18:1
125:16
pictures [3)
9:7
89:3
pieces [1)
Piggs [1]
pillar (1]
18:8
74:1
125:3
9:13
87:7
pillow [1]
87:8
pillows (1)
17:1
pioneers [1J
10:1
place [28)
13:13 15:13
10:1
54:16
51:2
34:8
56:17 56:18 59:12
64:16 64:20 64:21
65:2
64:25 65:1
66:24 68:14 69:12
79:22 80:16 82:24
87:21
87:7
83:5
105:7 109:16 111:14
38:21
places (5]
46:23 52:16 52:17
64:10
plaid [1] 48:23
plaintively [1] 97:5
plan [2] 28:18 78:6
7:10
planned [2]
86:14
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planning [2]
77:]9
116:9
plans [1]
plant [1] 49:3
plants [2]
62:6
52:24
23:20
18:21
21:12
21:23
33:10
20:19
21:15
22:4
played [4]
21:8
21:8
player [3]
91:20
72:10
52:24
52:25
Play [1] 20:21
play [12] 11:2
18:20
20:22
21:20
28:8
11:15
21:11
91:16
36:9
40:12
21:11
45:23
playlet [1]
plays [1]
pleasant [1]
pleasure [2]
30:19
41:4
93:24
28:13
67:5
110:17
plumber [1]
3:18
plums [1]
plus [1] 52: 18
10:4
point [14]
30:3
55:21
75:18
123:2
128:4
31:6
72:15
84:24
123:3
points [1]
Policy [1]
political [3]
100:5
prepare [1]
98:6
prepared [1] 27:1
Presbyterian [4]
7:6
12:21
12:19
12:20
Presbyterians [1]
91:21
players [1]
players' [1]
playing [2]
17:19
57:24
18:19
20:5
23:20
plastic [1]
Platoon [3]
pre-West [1]
predator [1]
preferred [2]
49:11
72:17
115:8
125:12
123:23
121:9
55:23
121:23
Polk [2] 68:11 86:13
poor [2] 16:10 33:21
9:6
Popular [2]
11:18
population [1] 129:3
Port [1] 87:3
64:21
Portola [1]
126:3
portrait [1]
124:20
position [1]
30:23
positive [2]
95:16
post [1] 87:13
79:11
post-war [1]
13:22
potato [2]
95:18
72:23
potluck [1]
82:24
Potrero [1]
129:1
practical [1]
103:8
practice [1]
79:11
pre-war [1]
12:23
present [1]
87:11
preservation [1]
104:21
president [2]
75:17
75:19
presidents [1]
pressure [1]
prettier [2]
72:11
12:7
52:16
52:17
pretty [15]
25:19
54:18
94:10
117:21
124:11
26:1
85:18
94:12
118:7
124:13
previous [2]
18:19
47:10
88:9
96:21
120:7
85:23
105:5
Primary [1]
primary ra
22:10
22:7
38:9
prime [1]
primitive [1]
Princeton [1]
principle [1]
principles [1]
printing [1]
prints [1]
priority [1]
Priscilla [2]
76:2
129:12
92:21
105:22
104:1
87:12
77:12
117:24
114:5
114:16
private [2]
77:8
88:3
privileged [2]
2:20
3:7
problem [5]
56:13 108:5
108:22
problems [3]
73:2
6:11
108:7
26:4
123:12
process [1]
producer [1]
product [1]
products [2]
77:12
19:22
61:6
27:16
36:20
profession [1] 130:10
professionals [1]
107:10
professions [1] 130:12
Program [1]
78:10
program [2]
33:9
120:11
Project [2]
1:2
1:8
project [9]
28:14
101:25
82:16 85:6
102:18 103:21 103:22
117:22 121:19
projects [2]
100:5
116:6
prom [1]
92:4
planning - remember
Edd Dundas
quick [1]
quickly [1]
quit [7] 8:11
46:22
76:25
quite [5]
61:25
49:6
83:4
9:21
86:24
quote [1]
promotional [1]
propaganda [1] 61:5
107:12
property [2]
107:22
proselytizers [1]
14:6
104:12
protect [1]
protecting [1] 105:9
protective [1] 25:24
protracted [1] 105:7
proud [1]
68:10
proximity [1] 67:17
psychological [1]
55:23
psychologists [1]
35:9
psychology [1] 85:13
60:21
Public [1]
public [2]
101:15
104:2
Publications [1]
6:21
86:22
78:19
28:22
42:12
120:24
106:21
82:12
86:20
96:17
push [1] 127:22
pushed [1]
14:14
pushes [1]
14:17
pushy [2]
126:6
126:7
put[U] 6:22
21:5
54:7
64:11
104:18 106:17
107:2 107:9
120:4
putting [2]
41:4
128:14
31:21
88:19
106:18
115:22
-Qqualify [2]
90:9
116:15
quarter [3]
37:16
37:11
86:9
questionnaires [1]
32:24
questions [3]
79:23
80:4
52:5
116:23
113:1
-R-
77:10
publishes [1]
punishing [1]
puritanical [1]
purpose [1]
purposes [1]
pursue [1]
pursued [3]
19:16
93:21
46:19
60:8
61:19
R&R[l]
racing [1]
radio [3]
9:13
54:2
104:9
9:13
9:14
railroads [1] 4:19
raise [2] 34:11 62:21
17:14
raised [3]
111:14
ran [2] 48:1 75:15
rate [1] 110:4
rather [5]
5:11
98:2
6:13
63:8
110:12
111:5
rationalization [1]
130:7
ravines [1]
reach [1]
read [Ul]
15:15
74:12
17:25
26:25 67:2
94:18
101:10 103:22 105:13
105:15 118:18 127:6
readers [2]
32:20
32:22
Reading [1]
128:20
reading [8]
22:13
31:10 36:14 51:20
120:2
67:1
94:4
128:13
real [12] 38:16 56:20
75:20 93:24 105:10
105:13 106:13 106:25
107:13 107:17 109:24
120:6
realize [4]
22:17
46:20 118:10
23:8
26:2
realized [3]
57:19 106:19
really[~]
3:13
5:24
17:15 18:2
27:14 33:9
26:8
33:17 39:25 42:10
42:10 44:10 53:10
55:7
55:8
56:1
56:18 57:17 58:11
62:12 65:17
60:2
71:1
66:17 67:6
77:7
81:14 85:18
86:14
85:25 86:2
87:24 88:24 89:23
90:13
90:3
90:6
94:6
91:3
91:3
96:9
94:23 95:8
97:3
97:4
97:6
97:22 104:25 105:8
108:8 112:1 112:5
115:1 116:5 118:2
121:25 125:22 126:7
129:15 130:15
59:1
reason [7]
103:19
61:20 66:9
113:5 122:25 124:3
61:21
reasons [4]
96:10 96:12 98:24
41:21
reassure [1]
rebuilding [2] 70:18
77:15
70:19
rebuilt [1]
receives [1]
115:4
recently [1]
118:9
receptionist [1] 8:21
reciprocal [1] 130:5
recommend [1] 67:7
recommended [1]
71:22
Recorder [2]
83:9
114:22
recorder [2]
26:19
61:14
Recording [1] 83:9
recording [3] 83:18
84:2
85:5
recordist [2]
85:4
88:11
recruited [1]
redolent [1]
Redwood [3]
45:9
118:23
95:25
45:5
74:25
refer [2] 60:3
referred [1]
reflnements [1]
reflected [1]
Refugees [1]
registered [1]
regret [1]
regrets [1]
Regular [1]
relate [2]
62:9
71:18
10:3
42:2
2:11
114:16
100:14
45:18
35:2
18:13
24:8
74:12
related [1]
relationship [8] 30:22
71:20
90:11
98:11
81:16
90:16
84:22
97:24
relationships [2]
71:18
90:12
relative [1]
relatively [1]
relief [1]
relieved [1]
remember [43]
2:17
10:21
20:19
22:9
23:1
24:3
31:20
10:19
11:3
22:3
22:21
23:14
24:4
31:24
98:1
98:1
52:10
115:20
2:12
10:20
11:5
22:5
23:1
23:19
31:19
40:4
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42:8
45:20
56:18
78:14
84:23
96:23
99:5
44:19
46:8
76:6
82:8
86:18
96:25
102:14
44:20
55:13
78:7
82:8
90:20
97:18
126:2
remembered (1)
25:25
reminisce [1)
removed [1)
Reno (1)15:13
rent [Ii) 70:20
111:6
114:21
28:8
124:24
108:20
111:10 111:14
rental [2)
70:21
106:21
rented (4)
26:10
91:12
renting [1)
repair (1)
repertory [1)
replacement (3)
60:7
replicate [1)
60:6
report (5)
20:12
110:6
20:14
47:7
88:16
60:7
58:25
31:12
31:22
31:14 31:21
121:21
31:15
reports [1)
represented [1) 17:19
8:3
require (2)
120:17
118:19
rescue [1)
50:17
rescued [2)
118:25
32:24
research (4)
94:25 104:19 121:21
resent (1)
98:4
resistance (1) 44:24
resources [1) 80:1
16:25
respect (1)
respond (1)
61:19
responding [1) 58:23
responses (1) 130:6
responsibility [1)
94:2
rest (3) 113:17 118:7
119:6
restaurant (3) 71:12
87:9
87:3
restaurant/drive-in
(1)
60:4
restaurants (3) 38:8
41:8
resumes [1)
retire [1)
38:12
retired [3)
95:11
83:9
28:18
6:12
103:6
retirement (2)
29:20
30:2
retrospect [1)
reunion [1]
98:8
41:14
reward (1)
rewritten [1)
Rex [1) 102:7
Rex's [1)
rice [1) 80:14
rich [1) 9:21
Richard [1)
richer [1)
rid (3) 107:18
28:23
65:9
102:5
75:16
96:16
110:19
112:13
riding (1)
Right (3)
98:17
9:25
10:2
16:19
40:2
64:24
74:6
94:25
97:4
107:13
Rights (2)
6:8
10:1
11:22
24:7
42:19
66:2
83:19
95:24
98:20
113:13
121:6
122:4
Ringing (1)
69:17
rings [1) 114:20
riser [t) 50: 10
river rn 14:12
road (1) 20:24
roads (2)
4:5
15:22
Robin [1)
Rogers [1)
role (7) 21:11
33:3
71:3
45:21
121:7
roles [1) 33: 10
roll (1) 90:25
rolling [1)
Roman (1)
romantic (2)
20:23
126:23
25:24
45:22
45:12
104:12
84:9
87:6
romantically [1)
91:10
roof (1) 106:8
room (13)
30:18
52:3
66:22
87:19
33:17
52:3
77:8
87:19
roommate (4)
91:18
95:22
roommates (3)
95:24
rooms [1)
18:1
40:25
59:15
80:18
88:4
91:17
111:18
91:16
95:6
Roosevelt (1)
rooster [1)
rotten [1)
route [2]
86:15
37:2
110:18
15:7
47:6
run (5)
13:24
50:7
75:17
50:3
12:22
50:5
running (2)
103:16
rural (1)3:3
Rush [1) 16:2
rush (2) 69:20
69:22
61:10
sail [1)
94:7
60:24
11:10
sailed (1)
saintly (1)
salary (2)
11:8
3:24
29:6
29:7
Salt (10) 1:19
2:9
10:25
18:9
3:2
11:8
129:25
Salvador [1)
Sam [1) 53:13
San (35) 1:4
9:14
39:12
46:18 46:18
49:1
49:2
49:20 58:1
60:10 60:11
64:7
64:6
65:21 65:25
70:23 71:8
77:1
85:12
101:24 106:12
124:16 124:23
Sana (3) 78:19
80:17
Sana's [1]
Sanchez [1)
Sando's [1)
Santa (3)
43:1
save (3)
2:5
7:7
14:15
64:18
6:19
41:18
47:2
49:19
59:14
60:13
64:15
70:22
74:25
85:13
124:11
125:9
80:9
80:6
87:4
82:15
42:24
82:18
sat [1) 56:19
Saturday (3)
44:17
80:9
39:8
61:8
90:23
86:12
91:3
Saigon [2]
52:19
47:20
116:19
scholarship (3) 62: 17
School [Ii)
7:6
46:16
7:7
78:1
school [(9)
4:23
7:3
7:8
7:22
9:1
18:16
20:15
22:7
23:16
30:22
31:10
32:8
36:16
39:22
43:19
49:6
52:12
52:18
56:5
73:15
81:6
92:4
102:18
5:7
7:4
7:14
8:11
11:7
20:1
20:17
22:23
24:5
31:6
31:25
32:13
38:15
39:23
46:19
49:16
52:13
52:21
58:17
78:20
81:7
92:7
128:10
schools (5)
4:25
105:1
5:2
scrub [1)
sea (3) 17:9
44:4
72:2
56:17
82:11
5:3
39:23
2:22
5:7
7:6
7:15
9:1
12:14
20:14
20:18
23:15
27:2
31:6
32:2
36:15
39:21
41:19
48:1
52:11
52:14
53:14
67:20
80:21
81:21
95:23
4:17
24:8
55:15
17:11
73:9
80:11
126:24
8:16
66:21
22:25
71:25
111:17
105:19
sedentary [1) 120:7
See rsi 14:21 28:20
70:25
120:25
105:20
74:13 79:8
117:20 127:15
see (45) 2:25
5:25
16:20
seeing (4)
94:22
27:20
31:9
35:8
45:9
51:12
61:6
69:5
72:4
92:10
94:25
103:1
110:20
122:11
128:3
94:9
121:1
27:21
27:22
seem (3) 92:2
92:12
119:9
61:12
38:18
27:21
34:6
41:13
50:22
57:7
67:25
71:21
82:19
94:24
102:17
109:12
121:15
126:8
seek (1)
seeking (2)
104:9
sealed [1)
seamstress (1)
Search [1)
search (1)
seat (2) 66:19
secondrn
23:11
33:25
40:3
49:2
57:4
64:9
69:16
78:5
94:19
95:2
108:13
121:7
123:1
129:22
94:11
117:23
scholarships [1)
62:22
secrets [2]
38:19
saved (1)
saves (1)
39:25
69:18
86:5
112:7
127:1
30:9
109:24
115:8 115:23
19:18
106:17
Saved (2)
1:24
61:9
1:22
38:20
20:1
45:4
82:25
86:6
118:15
127:2
45:7
92:22
safari (1)
21:9
safe (7) 19:20 19:21
94:7
94:10
35:21
45:11
85:21
88:1
126:25
79:24
-S-
94:6
94:8
1:24
saw (17) 6:20
scale (3)
S-T-A.-K-E (1) 12:11
sad (4) 70:4 81:23
91:2
saving [1)
savings (4)
says (4)
108:15
right (29)
9:9
10:1
15:17
39:13
60:20
72:4
94:17
96:19
103:3
126:1
121:3
65:23
routes (1)
routine [1)
rubber [1)
ruined [1)
RuiZ(1) 64:17
remembered - service
Edd Dundas
109:6
130:20
5:22
23:2
selected [1)
51:9
self [1) 104:21
self-esteem (1) 31:16
self-sufficient (1)
129:10
self-supporting (1)
129:9
sell (5)
27:16 105:21
107:16 107:17 107:19
16:8
selling [1)
7:25
semester [Ii)
28:20
8:2
8:2
29:21 82:3
semi-friends [1)
89:25
Send [1) 98: 16
send (3) 51:13 62:1
77:14
sending (1)
14:7
Senior [1)
2:4
1:22
sentortn
sense [Ii) 22:4 28:9
87:25
32:23 85:1
120:11
84:15
sensed (1)
13:11
sent (9) 9:19
51:23
14:9
14:5
52:14 52:22 53:3
60:25
separate (2)
18:18
18:18
separated [1) 31: 1
September (1) 52:1
13:4
sequence [2]
13:8
Sequoia (1)
39:23
54:11
series (3)
54:11 54:14
55:18
serious (3)
90:19 100:19
seriously [1)
53:5
served (1)
113:16
51:2
service [3]
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59:8
shoulder [5)
101:5
sesstonrn
83:5
83:21
set [3)
35:17
90:15
115:3
settled [1)
Seven [1]
seven[S]
17:22
102:9
19:13
seventeen [3)
60:25
103:15
2:4
17:14
96:22
44:2
99:4
105:6
seventh [1)
82:13
Seventy [1]
Seventy-five [1]
86:17
seventy-five [1] 67:8
4:21
several [3]
69:17
sewrn
100:3
47:8
sewing rn
47:10
47:7
47:8
sex [11] 46:1
76:6
82:7
90:14
81:14
90:8
95:8
sexual [5]
42:23
94:2
43:9
sexuality [3]
42:11
90:12
shambles [1]
share [4]
88:24
42:8
55:11
sexually [4]
66:16
67:18
81:20
90:10
103:24
42:15
45:2
90:7
sharing u]
56:2
91:10
111:15
85:8
126:16
5:9
64:16
sheaf [1]
sheetrock [1]
shift [1] 50:8
shifts [3]
54:3
54:3
71:9
Shinjarn
shipped [31
52:2
121:17
106:9
79:22
39:16
52:22
ships (1] 61:1
shirt [1) 87:12
shirts [Z]
48:18
48:23
22:20
shock [1]
Shoji [Z] 78:23 79:5
shop [11] 36:19 46:23
46:25
50:4
47:2
79:22
shopped [1]
short (1] 23:13
shortage [1]
shortly [1]
shorts [Z]
85:24
shot [1) 51:6
47:7
116:8
68:5
54:1
111:4
48:23
48:19
74:9
48:20
show [9] 9: 11
9:23
26:23
110:17 117:6
127:11
showed [1]
shower[z]
48:11
74:5
9:16
66:8
117:7
105:16
50:4
83:8
showers [Z)
55:14
55:15
69:18
shows [1]
71:21
shrink [1)
sick [3] 17:11 17:12
111:25
Side [9] 1:11
1:13
70:14
131:1
35:25
70:15
1:12
69:17
102:3
side [10] 11:6
13:3
13:9
13:10 26:20
110:24 117:20 119:9
119:9 121:2
77:15
sideline [1]
125:12
Sidell [1)
sides [1] 108:2
sign [Z] 40:5 108:22
significant [Z] 84:15
84:21
silver (1]
3:9
17:6
similar [3]
41:17 121:3
40:20
similarly [1]
110:25
simpler [1]
68:7
simply [4]
88:19 105:1 105:16
simultaneously [1]
65:23
single [3]
18:10
12:15
44:14
singles [1]
sinuses [1]
sister [14]
5:16
10:25
25:4
39:10
74:15
5:17
18:23
25:15
39:18
sister's [1]
sisters [3]
19:13
sit [6)
46:4
87:7
20:6
44:3
46:7
sitting [5]
100:24 101:5
121:13
situation [Z]
12:15
84:17
2:15
6:10
24:10
30:23
63:21
107:16
2:7
46:3
79:3
6:10
105:8
87:11
95:22
situations [1] 25:10
six [13] 11:14 21:6
23:18
69:21
60:8
86:20
68:21
96:22
100:2
110:6
108:20 109:20
112:16
six-unit [1]
109:15
sixteen [3]
43:24
43:24 46:11
sixty-five [1) 98:2
size [1] 102:19
skew [1] 103:18
skipping [1]
57:15
skivvy [1]
50:23
sky[z) 22:17 100:6
127:21
slapped [1)
Slash [1]
2:3
slash [1] 73:22
sleep [1) 44: 14
sleeping [1]
43:10
sleeve [1]
85:21
sleeves [1]
90:25
slept [1] 96:8
slight [1]
30:12
Slip (1) 47:1
slip [1] 47:1
Sloat [1] 69: 13
slow[z] 28:11 128:21
slum [1) 113:14
small (Z]
3:2
117:11
smell [1]
50:6
smooth [1]
90:17
smoothed [Z] 21:17
21:19
51:16
snitches [1)
snotty [1]
110:2
soap [1] 104:20
41:12
social [3]
125:2 125:19
socialization [1]
37:20
socialized (1] 25:9
socializing [Z] 41:10
49:13
society (1]
sodas [1]
sold [10) 16:5
75:14
46:4
16:7
36:19 36:20 106:5
106:11 106:25 107:2
109:11 110:21
solicitation (1] 44:23
solo (1] 18:10
Solomon [1]
125:21
71:24
Someone [1]
someone [5]
25:7
96:18 127:7 130:17
130:19
Sometimes [1] 75:14
sometimes [6] 43:23
80:4
80:10 80:11
81:20 97:25
somewhat [1) 94:8
SomeWhere[l] 43:14
session - stay
Edd Dundas
somewhere [6) 14:13
69:13 71:10 74:2
115:14 116:18
Sorry [1)
54:21
sorry [5]
28:15
82:16 83:15
63:9
92:9
sort [17] 2:8
4:20
16:24 25:24
11:2
42:3
53:13
42:1
68:20 72:21 98:11
98:18 99:16 101:16
115:5 117:8 118:4
58:15
sought [1)
88:10
sound [3]
88:11 99:17
92:25
souadedrn
95:25
sounds [3)
61:21
88:13 107:1
South [4]
103:16
109:16 109:19 129:20
south[z]
16:20
52:15
16:21
southern [1]
72:22
spaniel [1]
Spanish[z]
23:9
49:3
15:2
spanned (1)
spare [1]
106:9
103:17
spared rn
103:20
speak[u]
13:22
15:17 28:14 47:14
51:13 61:11 61:12
65:18 75:15 103:25
121:16 130:9
speaker [1)
62:16
68:25
speaks (1)
special [11]
2:18
50:15 51:10
32:1
58:15 58:19 89:20
130:18
specialized [1] 4:18
Specializing [1] 76:15
76:16
specialty [1]
spectacular [1] 33:19
speculation [1] 3:6
speech [3]
41:1
56:15
41:1
49:23
spend [3]
87:1
119:6
spending [6]
19:12
87:25
36:14 74:3
94:20 118:7
spent [11]
38:1
72:9
44:11 71:6
89:15
81:24 87:1
99:25 104:3 114:6
129:18
spin-off [1)
28:15
40:19
spirit [Zl
129:8
Spirited [1]
51:8
spirited [1]
spiritual [1]
spitting [1]
split [1] 71:9
spoke [4)
93:10
93:11
sponsor [4]
78:12
78:17
sponsored [Z)
66:12
40:24
63:1
68:24
93:21
78:11
78:22
76:1
78:17
3:9
spoon [1]
sportishness [1)
11:9
sports [3]
43:6
spring [3]
29:25
21:13
43:7
29:24
89:2
sprinted [1)
squalor [1]
2:13
34:3
77:2
77:1
124:19
stage [S] 65:7
122:1
126:15 126:25 127:2
stake [1) 12:10
69:19
Stand [1]
31:16
stand (5]
59:10 59:20
48:3
103:6
standards [1) 2:19
100:7
standing [Z]
110:16
32:19
stands [1]
star rn 57:13 57:14
stars [1] 22:15
start [6) 1:17 50:2
105:9 105:10
83:5
110:11
6:11
started [16)
10:18 19:16
6:17
34:15
20:17 26:1
36:18 39:20 66:7
82:3
82:3
66:9
96:25 109:6 117:21
46:20
starting [11
71:4
starved [11
71:2
starving [1]
State[Z7]
4:7
26:10 26:12
5:8
28:14 29:18 41:18
49:19 49:20 58:1
64:8
60:13 64:6
65:20 65:21 65:25
70:22 70:23 71:8
80:25
77:1
76:2
85:14 124:11 124:16
124:23 125:9
state [1] 115:19
109:7
States [1]
stationary (1) 120:22
60:5
stations [1)
29:13
stay [11] 2:9
44:15 44:15 44:16
91:17
72:6
70:2
staff[4)
77:5
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stayed [16)
39:9
65:3
70:4
76:3
93:5
39:10
66:1
72:7
79:13
94:13
staying [I)
stays [I) 94:14
steady [1)
Steinbeck [3)
65:9
7:11
59:14
69:14
76:1
93:4
109:8
42:24
115:19
65:8
76:24
Stewart rn
9:17
9:17
stigmatized [2)
122:13
still [42) 2:12
21:25 25:12
27:22 28:12
41:13 41:13
41:17 41:20
43:4
46:3
47:10 49:11
55:25 57:17
60:18 64:4
70:23
66:8
75:4
75:6
91:6
90:3
104:8 126:20
128:18 128:20
128:24
stitch [2]
48:7
stock [1)72:11
Stonewall [3)
3:15
7:11
27:22
33:11
41:15
41:22
47:9
55:7
60:12
64:17
75:3
88:9
100:12
128:12
128:23
64:24
95:6
75:16
108:2
streets [3)
27:7
95:4
67:4
3:1
105:2
stress [3)
82:17
85:6
stresses [2)
3:9
stretch [1)
82:17
strikingly [I)
strong (3)
80:3
3:8
97:16
117:11
63:15
119:14
19:6
stronger [I)
Structurally [I)
117:1
struggling [I)
Stuart [1)
Student [1)
student [4)
71:2
students [2)
78:20
studied [2)
78:23
studies [2)
125:14
70:24
studio [3)
77:11
122:25
124:)5
2:3
30:6
76:2
31:13
37:18
37:18
18:7
88:3
48:2
Studios [I)
studios [2]
30:4
study [3)
79:5
76:24
78:24
116:11 116:12
stop [2) 75:18 75:19
90:19
stopped (1)
stops [I) 15:23
6:8
storage [2)
64:12
store [5) 10:7 38:6
59:16 59:19 87:9
10:12
stores [I)
15:10
stories [7]
63:11
22:12 63:8
63:13 77:14 102:9
Story [2)
67:23
69:17
story (9) 10:18 15:9
63:17
16:4
33:1
76:24
63:18 65:9
118:16
57:17
straight (3)
75:11 102:17
66:23
strange [5)
84:16 86:12 100:12
103:17
Street [14]
1:3
26:12 64:25
3:16
68:11 76:25 77:16
86:11 86:13 109:7
109:9 110:21 110:22
111:24
2:25
street (12)
11:25
11:5
11:6
35:22
20:25 21:1
14:1
78:6
89:13
stuff rs: 33:4
74:10 80:24
117:24 120:1
SU[l)
81:23
64:12
87:13
127:20
subjects [I)
sublet [I)
submarines [I)
suburban [11
successful (3)
32:9
114:17
27:13
3:3
58:5
72:12
129:9
20:14
27:10 34:4
99:1
99:1
sucked [1)
such [7)
Suddenly [I)
suddenly (5)
31:20
119:7
66:18
suffered [2)
27:7
83:15
16:11
75:21
24:9
100:19
17:6
)29:8
summarizing [I)
115:5
summer ra
39:23
60:6
50:1
60:7
Sunday [1)
Sundays [1)
supervising [I)
supplemented (1)
20:17
60:6
72:23
52:19
30:6
supplies [I)
supply [1)
support [4)
77:7
38:6
62:20
107:25 117:25
75:8
2:16
supposets;
41:22 68:18
28:8
84:25 92:11 128:6
128:17
supposed [6) 27:4
28:17
28:7
28:7
47:9
116:25
Sur [6) 65:4 65:5
70:13 76:17
65:6
76:21
surfboard [I) 118:18
surfboarder [2)118:22
118:23
surfboards (1) 118:24
surgeons [I)
72:10
54:2
surgery (1)
surprise (2)
75:20
89:22
surprised [2) 10:16
43:12
surrounds [I) 55:23
survival [I)
128:25
survive [1)
119:23
surviving [I) 104:11
survivor [1]
100:9
Susan [1)
112:12
suspect [I)
58:22
swarthy [1)
23:13
Sweden (4)
13:12
13:14 13:16 13:19
Swedish [2)
23:5
23:6
swim [1)
118:13
swimming [I) 119:2
System (1)
58:21
system [5)
28:21
30:8
58:20 127:24
128:1
-Ttable [1) 71: 10
Takes [1)
Taking (1)
taking [7)
8:16
25:8
16:21
31:25
talent [I)
tall (6) 23:11
23:16
82:21
23:18
taller [1)
tan [1] 85:24
Tape [9) 1:11
1:13
70:14
131:1
35:25
70:15
30:16
101:6
8:1
24:25
56:8
101:14
23:15
26:2
23:17
1:12
61:14
102:3
tape (2) 26:19
Tapes [1)
tapes [1)127:15
tasse [I) 80:2
taught (6)
51:20
85:13
taxes [2) 113:4
Taylor [1)
tea (4) 79:1
79:4
80:10
51:14
85:12
61:12
1:9
41:1
80:14
115:1
102:23
79:2
teach [6)
29:20
29:23 29:24 58:17
104:22 104:25
teacher [3)
40:22
40:22 40:23
teachers [6)
22:24
31:13 32:11
30:6
130:11 130:11
teaches [2)
58:17
113:18
teaching [2)
30:5
124:20
team [I) 22:2
tear [2) 102:12 110:8
teared (1)
90:24
tease [I) 25: 17
tech [2) 55:12 77:5
tee [I) 87:12
teens [2) 12:15 62:14
Telecommunication
121:9
1:5
129:14
9:5
9:22
49:9
9:6
49:22 49:23 50:14
76:22 124:9 129:13
telling [2)
54:22
61:9
tells (1) 53:6
temples [I)
12:10
Ten [1) 96:11
ten [25] 2:20 18:21
18:23 18:23 18:23
19:17 19:17 20:4
24:11 25:21 27:4
31:3
38:12
27:6
62:21 72:5
61:3
89:15
72:7
72:6
103:3 103:4 111:14
115:8 116:9
[I)
Telephone [I)
telephones [I)
television [1O)
ten-year-old [I)
2:15
tenant [6]
91:21
112:4
tenants
108:7
113:18
87:20
111:9 111:24
113:23
[5]
108:6
111:1 111:16
Tenderloin (2)
34:3
tent [1] 53:1
33:22
stayed - thought
Edd Dundas
tents [I) 53:21
tenn [I) 48:6
tennination [I) 119:7
terrible [6)
13:20
17:13 52:7
109:21
Terrifying [I) 34:23
testosterone (2) 58: 10
75:9
Texas [1)
88:9
textbooks [I) 78:20
24:19
thankful [I)
thanks [1)
87:6
17:8
95:22
Thanksgiving [3)
9:10
9:10
that'd [I)
Theater [3)
79:6
124:12
theater [14)
41:12
58:3
76:13
95:19
128:23
49:10
13:3
76:12
41:13
69:16
76:16
100:5
9:2
43:3
69:22
77:10
101:11
theaters [I)
themselves [4)
69:20
71:17
103:11 104:22 129:24
theory [4)
29:5
107:16 108:16
66:9
there'll [2)
128:25
129:5
74:24
They've [1)
26:7
they've [3)
49:18
26:7
120:8
thinking (1)
22:8
third [11)
22:10 22:25 52:12
79:2
52:21 72:2
91:18 108:24 111:19
111:20
35:4
Thirteen [I)
35:1
thirteen [2)
63:23
37:22
thirties [I)
Thirty [1)
97:2
thirty (4)
97:2
129:12
97:7
98:6
thirty-five (2) 1:23
120:25
3:19
thought [46)
7:21
7:21
7:20
11:11 12:21
7:22
17:12 18:17 21:15
34:23
21:21 24:2
35:19 37:11 40:5
44:13 50:10 56:2
60:5
56:21 59:9
74:17
68:23 74:3
75:22 85:18 91:22
94:9
93:12 94:6
94:17 94:18 94:23
95:23
94:23 95:9
96:13
95:25 96:2
107:1 118:9 119:7
119:21 119:24 121:22
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thousand [5]
27:7
62:21
112:16
27:4
68:21
threadrn
10:6
43:4
threat [1)
Three [1)
three [%4)
22:17 26:10
41:16 55:4
65:3
78:2
81:5
83:25
89:17 89:18
91:12 93:20
101:8 106:5
113:3 122:6
threw [1]
thrift [1)
throat [1]
through [19)
22:7
22:10
51:4
51:11
51:19 58:18
61:24 82:14
86:11 92:10
100:9 124:4
throw [3]
25:17 87:20
thrown [3]
104:17 111:4
Thursday [1]
Thurston [1)
tickets [1)
tide (%] 21:6
tie (1]
19:6
timer rn
93:16
times [8)
29:7
55:14
80:21 84:10
91:17
timing [1]
tired [3] 26:3
110:15
titles rn 33:12
Toby [3) 85:16
109:17
today [9]
3:4
3:10
11:24 13:25
103:25 119:16
today's (%)
3:5
Todd(,]
95:15 95:16
95:21 96:21
Todsarn
Todsurn
75:25
together [35)
43:7
43:4
44:11 44:12
55:14
46:2
67:20 67:21
69:12 72:23
124:5
1:24
9:23
29:19
55:5
80:6
85:23
90:11
100:2
106:11
3:18
87:8
109:18
22:7
24:20
51:18
60:13
86:11
96:6
124:6
21:25
67:17
80:23
78:7
67:21
118:10
93:16
21:7
56:16
84:11
45:21
106:6
109:17
3:1
9:25
47:19
2:19
68:1
95:19
57:12
75:10
41:21
43:19
45:20
64:19
69:11
74:14
81:20 81:21
87:1
87:25
89:15 93:15
94:20 95:10
97:13 100:23
117:14 122:19
130:1
Toho [1) 78:25
toilet [1] 106:10
Tom [1) 103:6
Tomlin [1]
tongue [1]
too [19] 2:1
10:4
4:16
18:18 19:25
52:10
40:6
56:12 83:6
103:1 108:19
116:1 128:24
took [%4]14:10
32:3
16:6
32:7
32:6
56:9
56:5
64:23 65:13
68:20 70:17
76:19 76:20
102:11 105:24
110:7
toothpicks (1]
top [5] 9:11
20:25 85:24
topic [1) 105:10
Topsy [1)
tore [%) 4:12
torn (1] 64:21
total [1] 92:11
touchtn
86:25
88:7
93:19
96:8
111 :6
128:15
126:2
66:5
4:11
14:22
35:3
53:16
92:12
113:11
14:19
32:4
36:24
56:10
68:13
76:19
100:21
107:2
117:17
20:24
129:2
107:15
4:14
41:15
41:17
touchedtn
115:6
town [5) 52:15
109:4 113:15
TPC(1) 121:19
tracing [1]
tracings [%]
7:17
trackrn
tractors [%)
21:17
Trade rn
trade [3)
107:17 107:19
Trail (1) 16:19
trail [1] 16:6
trails (%]
15:23
train (1] 14:12
trained [3)
53:14 53:22
training (3)
51:11
51 :4
transfer [1]
transferred [1]
103:20
64:21
129:20
7:23
7:16
86:18
21:13
107:18
3:11
15:22
53:13
27:19
27:20
60:12
transition [1]
translator [1]
trap[%] 115:15
trapped [3]
35:13 35:15
travel [%]
93:9
traveled [1]
treatment (1)
treats [1]
Triangle [1]
tried[5] 8:14
58:25 79:18
triggered [1)
trip [7] 69:16
93:25 94:1
125:7 125:7
triple [1]
trips [1] 21:10
troopsrn
53:2
troupes (1]
truek m
43:23
True [1] 123:22
true [8] 30:12
63:19 63:19
72:25 101:12
Trumble [1]
trust (3) 15:4
115:3
try [7] 49:9
91:2
60:5
101:2 112:19
trying [1&]
56:13 57:6
73:24 73:25
104:9 115:3
30:12
93:23
115:15
16:22
16:5
38:21
104:6
113:3
87:17
36:10
90:21
67:14
88:9
94:21
37:17
33:25
102:1
43:22
60:20
72:4
128:12
9:13
29:18
56:7
91:5
27:22
61:4
73:25
130:17
5:7
Tucsonrn
Tuesday [1]
80:22
tuniC(3] 123:16 123:20
123:25
Turkish [1]
80:2
turntu 26:18
turned(,]
6:14
26:19 61:14 83:9
111:2 114:22
10:4
turning rs:
31:14
TV (3] 9:11 60:5
60:10
67:7
Twainrn
Twelve[%]
35:7
36:23
26:1
twelve (7)
37:19
36:22 37:3
49:24 102:12 105:4
twenties [1]
37:21
8:23
twenty (7]
96:21 103:10 103:12
111:20 113:15 121:23
Twenty-five (1) 97:3
thousand - value
Edd Dundas
twenty-five [5] 71:5
97:11 97:14 98:2
98:4
Twenty-three [1]
59:18
twenty-three [1]
63:22
twice [%) 54:9
85:22
twimn 115:24
twist [1) 118:11
Twoni 1:12 70:15
two [40] 7:7
11:4
11:21 18:17 19:2
21:18 24:25 29:6
29:7
41:16
39:9
51:24
42:21 43:1
62:18 69:18 79:10
80:21 82:5
80:4
83:11 83:24 83:25
94:16
90:11 91:8
100:1 105:3 106:20
108:3 108:3 108:20
108:23 110:6 113:5
115:13 120:18 121:9
121:14 121:17
26:11
two-flat m
109:11
types [1]101:16
typesetting [1] 6:23
-UU.N[l] 114:7
Ub[l) 114:3
un-Mormon [1)
4:9
uncle [1]
9:21
Uncles [1)
1:8
123:16
under (4]
123:19 123:24 125:13
undergraduate [1)
125:14
understand (5] 14:2
113:15 130:17
27:2
130:20
understands U)
115:2
118:21
undertow (1)
unfathomable [1)
22:19
uninvited (1]
81:12
Union (3]
64:25
65:1
65:2
union[%]
53:24
105:25
unique(%]
36:5
129:19
unit (3] 54:17 54:21
110:24
114:6
United [1]
units (') 107:25 109:20
109:22 113:3 113:5
113:7
126:25
Universe (1]
unless (3]
115:24
29:2
unmarried [1)
unplug [1)
unsafe [3]
103:24 103:24
21:5
unusualru
19:6
Up [1) 11:6
up [75] 2:24
6:9
6:10
9:3
8:25
11:13
9:20
12:18 18:12
20:24 22:16
25:16 25:22
33:15 37:4
39:25 40:5
46:18
44:3
49:10
49:1
56:17
51:5
60:12 64:10
67:13 68:11
74:1
78:12
86:3
83:3
90:25
88:2
92:7
92:2
97:17 98:20
101:4 102:14
106:2 107:18
110:11 110:12
113:3 115:3
117:6 117:7
120:24 122:14
130:13
upbringing [3)
115:25
3:4
upstairs [7]
70:19 88:5
91:12 91:22
usage [1]
used [Hi]
25:17 44:13
46:6
45:6
55:13
48:6
71:2
71:2
102:10
95:5
using(%)
75:14
usual [1)
Usually (1]
usually (3]
31:15 118:13
Utah [15)
4:7
4:6
11:18 12:25
18:4
13:7
39:11
32:8
129:25 130:1
32:15
106:10
103:23
5:10
7:8
9:19
12:6
19:16
24:16
26:23
39:16
43:23
48:3
50:7
59:1
64:23
70:5
80:8
86:12
91:5
94:14
100:1
104:17
110:10
110:17
116:2
118:10
126:11
2:20
70:18
91:12
92:24
79:23
15:5
44:14
47:25
57:20
87:7
129:11
60:18
91:17
96:17
5:19
1:19
7:12
13:2
23:7
40:3
-vV-E(ll 39:2
vacant [1)
Valley (%]
130:1
valuable [1]
value (5]
21:14
129:25
4:15
106:24
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106:25 122:3
128:1
valued [1)
values [1)
Van (2) 109:16
vandalize [1)
various (3)
91:16
127:24
127: 16
121:2
109:19
105:3
64:10
117:8
versa (2)
31:8
31:9
verse [1) 113:1
Vice [1) 31:9
vice (3) 31:8
75:17
Vicksburg [1) 77:16
video [1)
127:4
videotape (1) 60:19
view (4) 123:2 123:3
123:23 128:4
129:20
129:11
129:15
visit (3) 19:2
38:21
129:11
visited [1)
129:19
VOICES [1)
1:2
volunteer [1) 55:6
volunteered (1) 121:18
volunteering (2)
120:12 121:5
volunteers (2)
117:6
vote (1) 30:16
117:2
-wwagon (1)
wagons ta
14:24
15:11
15:14
waited (2)
52:7
57:25
waiting (4)
26:23
67:2
waking (1)
walk (2) 33:24
walked (5)
14:14
86:15
14:24
walking (6)
26:22
110: 17
110: 11
120:18
9:12
21:1
3:16
56:18
15:10 27:7
120:24 121:2
wall (2) 102:10 107:10
111:24
Waller (1)
wandered (1) 86:10
wants (2)
113:23
114:20
38:24
war (7) 4:20
48:15
38:25 39:1
48:18 53:8
12:12
ward (4) 12:8
53:5
54:3
12:9
wards [1)
34:8
91:4
118:10
washed (1)
Waste (1)
watch (2)
118: 16
83:20
21:24
110:5
watchful (2)
112:18
112:20
water (6)
8:8
26:17
75:19
village (1)
villages (2)
warm [1)
wash (3) 55:19
23:19
83:1
2:17
26:15
waves (1)
127:22
ways (2) 100:11 128:18
11:11
wealthy [11
wear (1) 110:7
13:19
weather [1)
Wednesday [1) 73:11
Wednesdays (1)
73:6
weedru 100:6
week (11)
37:13
54:9
74:14
94:15
49:10
67:19
80:21
weekends [1)
weekly (1)
weeks (7)
62:18
72:7
65:12
75:15
welcomes (1)
well-worn (1)
West (1) 69:17
Westerners (1)
What'd [1)
what'II (1)
whence (1)
whereas (1)
wherever (1)
whisper (1)
white (3)
80:13
11:10
37:14
51:24
72:7
93:20
126:16
15:23
16:25
99:4
128:4
104:5
123: 14
26:8
14:25
9:22
122:14
whiz (1) 33:8
who'd (1)
whole (14)
13:23
55:23
75:2
83:21
124:6
9:10
52:18
71:5
81:1
15:2
62:13
75:12
104:3
widen [1)
widened [11
wife [1) 80:6
wife's [1)
William [1)
wind [1) 99:18
window [1)
wing (1) 5:8
winners (1)
wire (1) 106:10
65:8
13:19
53:22
72:10
83:17
123:22
64:23
64:22
80:20
125:25
29:4
62:17
wise[l) 31:13
wisely [1)
wish(6) 43:16
58:14
97:6
61:20
wished [1)
within (3)
89:12
127:19
43:17
97:1
68:5
74:22
121:25
without (4)
69:2
woke (1) 51:5
Womack (2)
78:17
51:18
woman (4)
41:24
101:9
78:7
14:23
23:2
101:20 114:7
43:6
women (10)
49:2
49:3
43:7
55:24 55:25 56:1
57:21 92:11 125:5
wonder (5)
15:15
15:16 16:24 44:13
98:9
wondered (3) 34:20
97:21
67:6
wonderful (24) 2:23
19:3
17:25 18:8
34:1
19:14 21:2
52:15
52:7
41:7
78:23
65:14 75:3
79:12 80:15 85:5
87:6
93:19
86:4
104:20 123:5 126:10
126:24 128:20
wonderfully (1)
95:9
wondering (2) 103:1
115:20
woodshop (2) 32:3
32:7
Woodside (1) 56:17
word (4) 35:8
57:20
120:5
90:1
14:6
words (3)
44:22 128:1
wore (2) 85:20 85:20
Worked (3)
36:18
38:11 54:20
worked (35)
8:14
26:7
11:19 26:6
36:18 37:19 37:21
38:6
38:7
38:1
45:6
38:11 45:5
47:3
46:23 47:1
48:21 49:24 59:15
67:6
59:19 66:2
73:15 80:20
67:9
88:23
86:25 88:7
95:6
99:25
95:3
100:4 100:4 124:6
124:10
worker (1)
6:19
works (3)
59:4
114:5 121:25
World (1)
61:8
world (13)
5:14
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5:14
52:16
100:18
101:13
14:8
73:22
101:9
119:22
worlds (1)
worried (1)
worry [1)
worrying [1)
worse (3)
8:1
39:25
86:5
101:12
126:23
18:18
119:15
92:16
110:13
8:1
72:14
worst [1)
worthrn
125:23
26:13
68:24 105:21 107:12
107:20 107:21 107:22
worthless (1) 107:21
86:12
wound (1)
53:4
wounded (3)
53:20
53:6
15:2
Wow [1)
52:7
WOW(2) 52:6
4:19
WPA(1)
114:17
wrangle [1)
91:4
wringing [1)
write (2) 31:11 77:13
8:20
writer (2)
65:8
writing (3)
22:12
31:10 31:11
written (3)
69:25
98:23 98:25
wrong (2)
8:4
19:7
wrote (3)
78:13
78:16 123:6
20:20
27:9
40:9
43:25
58:3
62:22
64:3
66:8
76:1
76:23
81:19
87:23
121:25
25:1
28:19
41:14
52:20
58:4
63:25
64:5
70:12
76:3
78:23
82:4
110:22
127:5
years (77)
4:12
7:7
10:19
20:9
23:4
26:3
29:8
29:25
38:9
44:12
55:2
62:11
4:13
8:20
18:16
22:6
24:6
26:10
29:16
31:3
38:12
44:12
55:5
65:4
81:5
85:23
91:2
97:2
98:6
102:12
103:10
106:5
111:7
114:4
115:16
125:8
129:1
yeas (1) 30:21
yet (4) 65:16
23:6
82:5
89:15
92:10
97:2
100:1
103:3
103:12
106:11
111:14
114:6
121:10
127:16
129:4
73:1
122:7
York (5) 14:11
67:21 69:13
Yorker [1)
92:2
58:4
94:5
127:7
2:25
young (9)
33:8
13:8
26:5
104:15 104:22 104:25
122:15 128:9
3:11
younger (3)
103:24
97:7
84:7
yourself (3)
115:9
84:8
12:13
youth (2)
33:2
80:12
yukata(3)
80:12 80:13
-Zzig-zag (2)
48:2
48:7
Zoo [1) 66:14
Zorka m
-yyah (2) 23:6
yard (1) 2:23
year (40) 1:22
76:7
84:11
89:18
95:9
97:7
101:8
103:5
104:24
111:2
111:20
114:18
121:23
128:17
129:12
32:19
Zurich (11
23:15
32:17
114:7
7:14
25:2
28:25
43:14
57:13
61:18
64:2
65:13
74:22
76:21
81:3
86:16
116:9
2:21
6:6
8:23
19:3
22:22
25:21
27:10
29:19
36:15
41:21
45:19
60:8
67:9
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5/28/96

GLHS OHP #96-17, Uncles Project Edd Dundas Page 1

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