should this man be america`s next president?

AMERICAN FREE PRESS WORLDWIDE PRINT MEDIA EXCLUSIVE
SHOULD THIS MAN BE AMERICA’S NEXT PRESIDENT?
JIM TRAFICANT SPEAKS TO AFP
INTRODUCTION
‘JIMBO’ SPEAKS TO YOU:
n October 8, American Free Press (AFP) correspondent Peter Papaheraklis traveled to
Youngstown, Ohio where he visited at the home
of former Rep. Jim Traficant (D-Ohio) who gave
his first full-length interview to the print media since his release from prison on September 2. Traficant told Papaheraklis that he was an AFP reader while serving in Congress and,
before that, he read the weekly Spotlight newspaper published
in Washington by many of the same editors and writers who
launched AFP in 2001. Traficant explained why he agreed to
give such an extensive interview to AFP. He said:
O
I got a call from The Washington Post the day before I
was released from prison and they wanted to come and visit
me and I told them, “I don’t want to talk to you.” Other papers said they wanted to interview me and I said, “Well, I
just don’t have time for you.”
They said that many of the people in Washington were
watching my television interviews and they said that people
were amazed that I was able to look at the camera and say
some of the most controversial things they’ve ever heard in
Washington—ever. They’ve had me on national television
but it seems like they are trying to denigrate me and destroy
me rather than having what I’ve said catch hold.
I don’t agree with everything that American Free Press
stands for and some of the aspects of the program, but in
general I do agree with the spirit of willingness to tell that
which you believe is the truth, whether it can be countered or
not, and the same applies to me.
Whether you agree with me or not, I’m trying to espouse
what I think is a truthful response and I think American Free
Press should have a lot more readers and I am hoping that if
any interviews I do with you helps you get more readers, you
can put this in there: I, as a congressman, read The Spotlight
and I wasn’t surprised that The Spotlight was obliterated.
And I, as a congressman, read American Free Press and
I encourage people, if they want to know what is truly happening in our government, they are not going to find it in the
mainstream media, but they will find it in American Free
Press. So I commend you for that and I am giving you this
interview for that reason.
What follows is a slightly abbreviated transcription of the
interview with Traficant. AFP’s questions are in boldface.
Traficant’s responses are in regular text. . . .
AN INTERVIEW WITH JIM TRAFICANT
W
e’re glad to be able to sit down with you
and let you say what you have to say.
Our readers have been strong supporters of yours for a long time, going back to the days
of the old Spotlight newspaper.
Pete, let me ask you something: Was John Wayne
a subscriber to The Spotlight?
Yes, he was.
That’s interesting, because I get a lot of mail that
talks to me about John Wayne. They see me on television and they say that I act like John Wayne. Honest to God, they say that. Someone mentioned to me
that he was a subscriber to the old Spotlight.
Well, I always used to look at The Spotlight when
I was in Congress. I always looked at it, every week.
There were things in there that I checked out, and I
know that it was very controversial and I know that
the newspaper had a bent—let’s be honest—towards
Israel, and I really don’t have a problem towards Israel . . . or the Jewish People. My problem is with the
Israeli lobby, with the American Israel Public Affairs
Committee.
The Israeli lobby has a stranglehold over government. I’ve already told you that. I’ve said it on national television. So I’ve been labeled an anti-Semite
and all that, and I expected it. But that’s where I am,
you know, in this interview now, and I want you to
also know before starting out that you are the only
print media that I’ve interviewed with.
Another of our famous readers was the late
Col. L. Fletcher Prouty who was portrayed by
Donald Sutherland as “Man X” in Oliver Stone’s
famous film, JFK.
I give Oliver Stone a lot of credit. He took [the
criticism] they gave him and he wasn’t afraid to put
his feelings out there, and the only thing he could de-
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no doubt about it now.”
I guess the statements that I made that “We are involved
duce is that, in order for anybody to cover up the Kennedy in wars that we have little or no interest in” and that “our
assassination he had to be so powerful that it could only be kids are coming home in body bags” and that “Our counone entity and that would be the United States government, try is bankrupt over these wars” and that “There’s no end in
sight,” are hitting home.
so at least he had the courage to do that.
Now you see an expansion in Afghanistan.
And if there is an attack on Israel? . . .
My God, if the American people knew that there are
If Israel is attacked, I’d want to support Israel. But quite
frankly, we have been so one sided over there. We’ve im- more contractors than soldiers involved in the
ported the violence and we’ve imported the hatred from Middle East, then they would really panic.
Because we’ve got what—about
everybody in opposition to Israel. They see us as the pro280,000 soldiers, in the whole mess,
tector [of Israel] without objectivity.
But more than anything, I think the Israeli lobby has a but if you look at the contractors,
stranglehold on the United States. I mean, they can’t pass there’s something like 230,000
contractors and many are makgas without asking where to do it.
Now they can deny it all, call me a “kook” and every- ing more money than our solthing they want to, but I’ve been through it. I’ve seen the diers. And they are there to
provide security, to cook the
other side of the one-eyed jack and it’s a real problem.
If it’s not resolved, America will implode. America will food.
If the American people
implode. It’s a matter of time.
knew what the Hell we are
Just like the old Soviet Union.
And you can see what’s happening now: the machina- involved in here. . . . They’re
tions around the currency and the economic system and just talking about the troops.
No one is talking about these
China’s foothold: their economic tentacles on America.
So we’ve got some real problems and I expect to be re- contractors.
The point I’m making is
ally blackballed further by giving you this exclusive interthat they are not considered
view, so go ahead and hurt me.
You’ve been on five national television broadcasts part of our troop force. They’re
since you’ve come home from prison and your appear- our contract force. The American
people don’t know what we have
ances have caused quite a stir.
I’ve been out of prison about 35 days and I didn’t real- half a million plus people over there
ize it, come to think of it, of how astounded I was that I al- and we are embroiled in something
ways got so much mail in prison. People wrote me for seven that may last years and years. We’re emyears saying, “We miss you. We miss your one minute broiled in 2009 Vietnam.
We’ve now been there almost as long as we
speeches. We miss your lively comments. We miss your
questioning of things that no one else questions” and I did- were in Vietnam . . .
And now there’s a religious bent to it that is fanatical.
n’t realize how many people missed me.
And when I came home I was surprised by the massive Let’s tell it like it is. And to quote a president that made
turnout here. People lined up one hour before the place much sense—George Washington: “Beware of foreign enopened. You see, I wasn’t really going to attend. I didn’t tanglements.”
President Washington said that in his Farewell Adwant to. I had just gotten into town and I didn’t want that
dress to the American people.
type of pressure, if you will.
Most politicians today don’t even
I was very bitter, very upset and
“I was very bitter, very
know about the Farewell Address.
I didn’t want to manifest some of
upset and I didn’t want to
That was the advice of the first
that in front of an audience that
president of the United States, and
would say, “My God. Look at this
manifest some of that in
how right he was. And look at Jefguy. Prison changes a man.”
front of an audience that
ferson: “Beware of the appointment
I’m getting a lot of mail from
would say, ‘My God.
of federal judges for lifetime terms
around the country. I’ve started to
Look
at
this
guy.
Prison
because they can take the Constituwonder why all these national teletion and mold it like clay in their
vision programs had me on as a
changes a man.’”
hands.”
guest. They’ve told me that I’m an
God bless juries.
interesting guest and they are all in it
Problem today is: The Justice Department controls the
for the ratings. But some of the things that I’ve said on television have been quite a revelation and there are some en- juries and they spoil the jury pool and the jury selection
tities that are quite upset with that and they are trying to process.
Isn’t that what happened with the Justice Departcounter and reduce the impact of some of the words I’ve
used and I’m not so sure it’s worked in their favor. I’m not ment in your own case?
No doubt. No question. But you know what? They are
so sure that’s been in their benefit, since they’ve stirred the
going to pay.
pot a bit and when you stir the pot, it stinks.
There are too many people now coming forward admitBut what amazed me the most is the national response
that I got all over the country. Every state. People are writ- ting they were pressured to lie. And one of the jurors was
ing to me saying, “You are not just refreshing, you’re telling excused the day before because they knew he was definitely
something, you’re telling the truth.” They are saying, “It’s going to vote “not guilty.” He said, “They wanted to get me
evident what has happened. We don’t hate Israel either, but off the jury.” He prepared an affidavit to that effect. The
we know there’s something wrong that they have a tremen- prosecutor told her, “This man is a [pro-Traficant] juror,”
dous foothold, a stranglehold on the government. There’s and they got rid of him. When the former juror heard the deCONTINUED FROM PAGE B-1
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cision, he said, he almost fell out of his car, when he heard
that the jury convicted me.
And the other juror “Juror Number Eight” said one of
the jury women confided in him that she had problem with
the IRS and that it was sort of worked out with the understanding that they would try to place her as a juror in the
Traficant trial. She was my most adamant opponent on the
jury. It happened to be a Jewish woman.
I had no opportunity to cross-examine any
agent who worked on the case against me.
There was a six year investigation
with over 200 FBI agents involved.
They spent $15 million dollars investigating me. All of that time
terrorists were aiming at the
Twin Towers in New York, but
the government’s eyes were on
me. The Justice Department
Left, Jim Traficant’s
favorite prison photo.
was focusing on me.
They couldn’t forget the
fact that back in 1983 I was
the only American who ever
beat the Justice Department,
acting as his own attorney, in a
RICO case. They couldn’t live
with that.
[A RICO case is a federal trial involving the Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organizations act, often applied in
organized crime and corporate white collar criminal cases. Falsely accused of having accepted bribery
money from organized crime interests, Traficant acted as
his own defense attorney in the earlier case and was acquitted by the jury, much to the dismay of the Justice Department, which continued to target Traficant. See AFP
correspondent Michael Collins Piper’s book, Target: Traficant, for the details.—Ed.]
They offered one regional director from the IRS as a witness in my earlier trial. He said, in court, that “I know nothing about this case. I just draw up the tax forms.”
The fingerprint “expert” that they offered up was only
three weeks on the job, but he had to answer questions
about the report.
In the daily press here in Ohio [during the 2002 trial]
they said that the FBI and the Justice Department had all
this fingerprint evidence against Traficant. But when this
so-called expert testified in court, I asked him, “How many,
if any, of my fingerprints appeared on any of these documents that are being used against me”” and he said, “None.”
I said, “Not one?”
There was an objection from the prosecutors and it was
sustained [approved] by the judge. I said, “How many latent
prints of mine were there?” and he said, “None,” and I asked
“How many partial prints were there that could possibly
have been mine?” and he said, “None,” and I asked how
many prints were there that could have been the prints of
somebody else but could have been confused with mine
and he said “None.”
So this is the government’s Achilles Heel. And I want
the readers of American Free Press to know it, since the
mainstream media is never going to explain it.
I said, “Then certainly you took the audio and video
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tapes, is that correct, sir?” And then I saw the prosecutor’s
head drop. The witness said, “No.” And I asked, “Well, who
took those audio and video tapes?” He said, “No one took
those tapes. There were none.”
I asked him, “Who told you that there were no audio or
video tapes made of me by the FBI during a six-year-long
investigation?” He said, “The assistant prosecutor.” He said
he couldn’t remember who it was. I asked the witness to
point to the person in question and describe what he was
wearing, and he did so.
Now I had this retired secret service man acting as an
investigator for me in my defense (he went back to the
Carter years, having protected Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush) and he said that he knew that
I was innocent, that I was railroaded, when the government
admitted in court that they had no audio or video tapes to
use against me after they had conducted a six-year-long investigation of me.
He said that the Secret Service could never have gotten
an indictment against me in a criminal case. It would have
been a “must” to get some sort of memorialized statement
made by me in an audio or video tape.
[And, of course, the FBI was tapping my phone and
recording my conversations and they had people coming
up and talking to me who were wired.]
What I—Jim Traficant—need right now is some whistle-blower in the Justice Department to come out and admit
that, yes, the Justice Department destroyed all of those
tapes. Why did they do this? Because those tapes were exculpatory for me. They would prove that the Justice Department had me “bugged” for six years and they couldn’t
get any evidence against me: not one incident of wrongdoing.
I have a number of affidavits here from people who
came to court to testify on my behalf, but the judge excused
the jury from hearing their testimony. These were people
who testified under penalty of perjury, if they were found
to be lying [which they weren’t] and the judge did not allow
their testimony to be heard by the jury.
They testified to the effect that a number of key witnesses against me had admitted that they lied on behalf of
the government to incriminate me in order to avoid being
indicted and sent to prison themselves. Juror Number Eight
himself said that if he had just known about the pressure
the government put on Richard Detore alone that he would
have fought to the end to avoid convicting me.
However, they have a new rule in Ohio. If you have a
Cleveland judge you have a Cleveland jury. I ended up with
a Cleveland judge, Lesley Wells, who had personal animosity toward me since I didn’t support her when she ran
for the Supreme Court before she was appointed to a federal judgeship. Personally, I had heard she some funny dealings up there. And I didn’t support too many judges, frankly.
They had news reports that Jim Traficant—a sitting congressman—had conspired to have one of the potential witnesses in the case murdered. The FBI told this woman that
the only way she could protect herself was to go public.
This is how they tainted the potential jury pool in the Cleveland area: that is, putting out these stories such as this one
that I was plotting to murder this woman. They wouldn’t
try me before a jury pool taken from my own congressional
district. No, they transferred the case to Cleveland.
So the people in Cleveland didn’t know me. They only
knew me from what they read about me in these negative
newspaper reports. When you’re the number one target of
AIPAC, you’re not going to have any newspaper writing
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Jim Traficant: A Man Way Ahead of His Time
Here is a short collection of “one-minute speeches” from Jim Traficant discussing
subjects of vital importance to Americans. While other politicians are just now beginning to tackle these topics, Traficant was pushing these issues more than a
decade ago. From auditing the Fed to “Gulf War Syndrome” to the crimes of the
DOJ to massive U.S. job loss, Traficant was representing the best interests of working Americans, soldiers and middle-class taxpayers. These are just a few of the approximately 60 one-minute speeches featured in Michael Collins Piper’s book
TARGET: TRAFICANT. (See page B-7 for more about the book.)
NO SUNSHINE AT FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD—May 8, 1997
Mr. Speaker, school boards, council meetings, all public meetings in America are subject to the
sunshine law, except the Federal Reserve Board. The Fed says what America does not know is good for
America. If that is not enough to starch your leotards, check this out: The Federal Reserve Bank of
Kansas City allowed 28 officials from China, Japan, and Europe to attend one of their meetings where
they discussed monetary policy. Unbelievable. The American people are shut out, even Congress is shut
out, but the Chinese, the Japanese, and the Europeans are allowed in. Beam me up, Mr. Speaker. It is
time for Congress to audit and investigate this bunch of internationalists setting our monetary policy
that allow the Chinese and the Japanese in. American sunshine, no way. Rising sun, welcome. The
last I heard, Uncle Sam controlled the Fed, not Uncle Sucker. Let us get our job done.
OUR VETS DESERVE THE TRUTH—April 10, 1997
Mr. Speaker, thousands of gulf war vets have complained about nerve gas problems to no avail,
and after all this the CIA now admits they had warnings as early as 1984 that Iraq had stored nerve
gas in their ammunition depots that were later blown up by American troops. Unbelievable. The CIA
now says they did not tell the Pentagon and it was a mistake. Beam me up, Mr. Speaker. I do not believe the CIA, and when thousands of gulf war vets are treated like whining hypochondriacs something
is very wrong. I say these vets deserve the truth and the help of Congress. Furthermore, I say to my
colleagues, if we want to balance the budget, we could save $30 billion in our intelligence budget by
hiring Barney Fife, who will do a much better job and be a hell of a lot more honest.
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT CANNOT POLICE ITSELF—March 20, 1997
Mr. Speaker, the Justice Department cannot police itself. At Ruby Ridge, a 14-year-old boy was
shot and killed, and his mother, holding her infant child, was shot and killed, shot right between the
eyes; no criminal charges. At Waco, 83 Americans were killed, including 20 children; no criminal
charges were filed. In Chicago, a court ruled that Justice Department personnel gave sex and drugs and
alcohol to a number of informants to get them to offer perjured testimony; no criminal charges were
filed. Mr. Speaker, who is kidding whom? When an unarmed 14-year-old can be shot and killed, his
mother shot between the eyes, and there are no criminal charges filed, and the Justice Department says
it was simply a mistake, Mr. Speaker, there is no justice in America. It is time for Congress to pass laws
that will provide for independent counsel to investigate wrongdoing at the Justice Department.
BRING OUR JOBS HOME—March 5, 1997
Mr. Speaker, jobs keep leaving America on the fast track. Wrangler Jeans is laying off 3,000 workers and moving 12 factories overseas. Apple Computer, they cut 1,500 jobs last year; they are cutting
another 3,000 jobs this year. Shoemaker West is cutting 1,000 jobs, moving 3 factories overseas, and
now, under WTO, Costa Rica is challenging Uncle Sam over underwear. Unbelievable. American workers are not only losing their jobs, now they are about to lose their BVD's. It is getting so bad that in
Longview, WA, a robber entered a grocery store wearing a pair of pink panties over his head. The police said they never saw anything like it. What is the surprise, Mr. Speaker? Jobs are getting so scarce
in America today robbers cannot even buy pantyhose. I yield back the balance of all the lingerie and
all the other problems. Beam me up, Mr. Speaker.
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anything good about you.
However, American Free Press has been very strong in
telling what they feel is the truth, with a strong bent going
after Israel for many things that they believe are wrong. And
quite frankly, many of the things that American Free Press
has done have been very truthful and I know that you have
suffered for it.
So you had this woman brought before the grand jury to
testify against me, and they tried to pressure her to say
things that weren’t true, and she realized what they did and
she apologized to me and my wife. But it was all over by
then. However, the jury pool was already poisoned by the
stories in the media: they said I was a Mafioso and that I
was going to have this woman murdered. Well, they never
made any charges there, since it was all a lie.
There was another fellow that I ran into in a restaurant
and he said, “I apologize, Jim. I was going through a divorce and I lost everything. So I lied [against you]. My attorney told me to tell the government what they wanted to
hear and get it over with and I did it and I can’t live with it.
It bothers me. I’m sorry.You’ve been a good man, a friend.”
He has put together an affidavit on my behalf. He also came
to court on my behalf, but the judge didn’t allow his testimony to go before the court.
There was another instance where there were all these
new stories about some crime I had supposedly committed
but since the supposed witness refused to tell lies against
me, there were no charges brought.
Then there was this instance with this Nigerian man,
Nnamdi J. Okolo, who was an owner of a car-leasing
agency in Northern Virginia, and he said his life was ruined
because he wouldn’t perjure himself against me for the U.S.
government. They wanted him to say that he kicked back
money to me and to Richard Detore. They wanted him to
tell lies about Detore in order to pressure Detore to tell lies
to be used to prosecute me.
The Nigerian man, Mr. Okolo, told me, when I ran into
him at Allenwood prison [where I was first incarcerated and
where Mr. Okolo was later sent] that he didn’t know me
from Adam, and that he would have been willing to lie
against me, but he knew that Detore had two children just
like him and that he couldn’t lie. He’s over in Nigeria today
and he filed an affidavit with the Nigerian government explaining how the U.S. government tried to get him to lie.
Later an attorney contacted Mr. Okolo and told him that
if he did not recant his charges against the U.S. government
that his 79 year old parents would be deported from the
United States. I feel sorry for that family. The last I heard
was that the Catholic charities in Baltimore were looking
into his parents’ case. Here’s a man—a Black immigrant
from Africa—who showed courage and honor and his life
was ruined by our government.
Then there’s the case of Richard Detore.
Richard was pressured by the government to say that he
saw me accept a cash bribe in my office in Washington from
businessman John Cafaro. But he said, “I just won’t do it.
Jim Traficant hasn’t done anything illegal with me. If he’s
done something wrong, go ahead and get him, but I’m not
going to lie about it.”
Richard Detore was a brilliant engineer and they needed
a man of his quality to serve as a witness against me to get
a conviction. So when he refused they said to him, “Okay,
just say you were outside the office door and you heard the
transaction.” He said, “I’m not going to do it.”
His attorney, who was a former assistant U.S. attorney
[and still close to the government] told him: “Just tell the
government what they want. They’re going to get Traficant.” So finally Richard got a call from his attorney who
told him, “Time’s up. You’re going to get indicted if you
don’t go along with them.”
But Richard said, “I’m not going to lie.”
His attorney told him, “Richard, there’s no reward for
honesty. You’re going to spend hundreds of thousands of
dollars defending yourself and you’re still going to end up
in prison. They’re going to get Traficant. They want this
guy.” But Richard said, “I’m not going to tell lies.” And his
attorney said, “I’m advising you to tell them what they want
to hear. Look at it as a business decision.”
Well, when Richard was indicted (after he refused to lie
about me) and then went to trial, he was acquitted in one
hour. But they were successful in keeping his testimony out
of my trial. So you had Detore and Okolo pressured to lie
against me and both refused. And there were three other
people who testified before the judge (out of the hearing of
the jury) in my case who said that they were pressured to lie
by the government.
And there were the false charges cast about by television news broadcasts that were never actually filed against
me that involved people being pressured to lie. So that’s
seven instances right here.
And there was no physical evidence against me [audio or
video tapes, documents, fingerprints, etc].
If I were guilty of a crime, why did they have to force
anybody to lie?
They later made the prosecutor, Craig Morford, the second highest post in the Justice Department. And they made
Michael Chertoff, who headed the criminal division in the
Justice Department in Washington (who supervised my
prosecution), the head of Homeland Security. Attorney
General John Ashcroft even came to Cleveland and gave
awards to the team that convicted me. That’s how glad they
were to get rid of Jim Traficant.
There was even talk that Morford was going to be appointed as U.S. Attorney General. But people from Virginia
let it be known that they wanted to testify about Morford’s
role in the Traficant case. This prosecutor suborned perjury,
withheld evidence, and obstructed justice to get a conviction. But he really didn’t convict me. The judge convicted
me. She influenced that jury and withheld evidence. She
did what she had to do.
Our country has to get at this powerful central government. We’ve got a massive government that the American
people don’t even have an association with. They are subject to this government.
They thought they gave me a life sentence at my age.
They didn’t think I would live through it. They put me in
some rough prisons. I didn’t go to any camp, buddy. I ended
up in a “medium-high” called “Gladiator School.” They
wanted to medicate me, but I wouldn’t take it. They said I
had a corkscrewed aorta, but I wouldn’t take it. So they sent
me to the federal medical facility at Rochester, Minnesota.
I didn’t trust them giving me any medication.
I didn’t trust the government at all. I was their number
one target and the number one target of the American Israel
Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). So when you put the
Justice Department and AIPAC together, you have the most
awesome, most powerful enemies in world history. I’m
here. I’m still breathing, so far.
But if one whistle-blower comes forward to expose what
they did, I’ll be worth millions and millions of dollars. And
they are worried now, because they never thought I would
come back. They figured people would have forgotten me.
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Quite frankly, you can’t tell, unless you go to the ballot
box, but the truth of the matter is that I’m probably more
powerful now nationally than 90% of the United States
Congress. And I now make this statement: I don’t see a
member of Congress who is probably as well known philosophically as I am. There may be those who names are well
known because they have big important jobs in Congress,
but few know what they stand for.
Most politicians wake up in the morning, brush their
teeth, shave, comb their hair, put on their clothes and then
go to the window to watch which way the mob is moving.
Then they go pick up their trenchcoat and go out and lead
the mob, no matter what direction it is going.
And that’s the problem with this country. This country
is on automatic pilot and being controlled by interests that
are not even American.
We have the best Congress that Japan ever had, the best
Congress China ever had, the best Congress Israel ever
had, the best Congress Mexico ever had, the best Congress
illegal immigrants ever had.
You’ve always been in the forefront of fighting injustice.You made a lot of enemies—including both the
Justice Department and AIPAC, among others—when
you came to the defense of Ukraine-born Cleveland autoworker John Demjanjuk, a naturalized citizen, who
was falsely accused by the so-called “Nazi-hunting”
unit of the Justice Department of being a concentration camp guard at Treblinka during World War II.Although the U.S. government stripped Demjanjuk of his
citizenship and deported him to Israel where he was
tried and convicted as a war criminal and sentenced to
death, it was your work that got him released.And now
he’s facing new charges, many years later, in Germany.
Could you reflect on your experiences in the Demjanjuk case?
It’s a travesty and I’m surprised no one has even lifted
their voice. Be advised that the original evidence that resulted in the Israeli Supreme Court overturning Demjanjuk’s conviction came from me. It came through a
Freedom of Information Act request regarding a man
named Feodor Fedorenko, the only man ever tried for war
crimes at the Treblinka camp in Poland. He was acquitted.
He had been a naturalized American and when he went to
Ukraine to visit his family, he was picked up by the Soviet
KGB and tried in the old Soviet Union and was executed.
There’s no doubt our government arranged that, perpetrated that.
When the Demjanjuk case came up, I couldn’t get anywhere. So I tricked the government. I did a Freedom of Information Act on Fedorenko, and bingo. I was told that
there were a hundred pages or so on him and in those
pages was the information that led to Demjanjuk being
cleared of the charges and the dropping of the death sentence against him.
And remember that 17 people testified in the Demjanjuk case and identified him as the concentration camp
guard known as “Ivan the Terrible”—Ivan Marchenko—a
man who was taller than Demjanjuk, had black hair, not
blonde hair, was nine years older and had a scar on his
neck.
Then when I went on the House floor and revealed that
I had a photo of the real Ivan, the Justice Department
turned around and claimed that there were two Ivans.
Well, let me tell you about the power of the American
Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). No one in Congress would accept the evidence I had clearing Demjanjuk
nor would they agree to hold a hearing regarding the ac-
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tivities of the Justice Department in this case. Demjanjuk
had been stripped of his citizenship and he was scheduled
to be executed in Israel. No one in the government of the
United States would listen to the evidence.
I tried to put it before the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinatti and they would not accept the evidence.
So Demjanjuk’s attorney placed my evidence before the
Israeli Supreme Court and they asked me to go over.
I went over. I payed my own way. While I was there,
Bryant Gumbel of the Today show on NBC interviewed
me and I said, “If they put this man to death, Israel is going
to lose $20-25 billion a year from the American taxpayers.”
He said, “What do you mean, Congressman? Israel only
gets $3 billion a year from the U.S.”
And I reminded him that $3 billion is $5,000 a year for
every man, woman and child who lives in Israel (although,
of course, that money goes to the Israeli government).
That’s from the foreign aid appropriations bill. However,
when you look at the loans to Israel that are converted to
grants, economic assistance, military assistance, trade
pacts, Israel gets the equivalent of $30-35,000 a year for
every man, woman and child in Israel. And my people in
my district who are working 40 hours a week aren’t making that much money inYoungstown, Ohio.” Gumbel’s response was “Thank you, congressman. Thank you.”
That night I got a phone call. Demjanjuk was being released and was going to be delivered to me to take him
home from the Tel Aviv airport. I have to give Israel credit.
They accepted the evidence and our government wouldn’t.
Our congress wouldn’t and our courts wouldn’t, but Israel
did. They knew that our government perpetrated one of
the greatest crimes in history and as soon as I got Demjanjuk back to the United States, the Sixth Circuit Court issued a statement saying that this case was a tragic but
honest mistake by the government.
No one in the Justice Department ever faced charges
for this. They knew that Demjanjuk wasn’t “Ivan the Terrible.” The documents I used to convince the Israelis to
free Demjanjuk came from the Justice Department.
Now the Justice Department went after Demjajunk
again but this time Israel wouldn’t try him. Israel didn’t
want someone like Jim Traficant—if such a person existed—to start questioning the case. Well, now Traficant is
out of jail and he is questioning the new case.
So now Germany is trying Demjanjuk for being a guard
at another concentration camp, Sobibor. The truth of the
matter is that if the government was proven to be so reckless and criminal in a previous action, how can they warrant any serious consideration in the current case. They
were embarrassed the first time so now they are determined to hurt Demjanjuk and show the world that he was
some kind of Nazi.
The truth is that Demjanjuk was taken prisoner by the
Nazis and while the Germans did put guns in the hands of
some of their prisoners and made to act as perimeter
guards (under the threat of death) even if that was the case,
those men shouldn’t be charged.
Well, now that I am out of prison, they are concerned.
[People who have heard me on television speaking out]
are starting to say, “Hey, wait a minute. This guy Traficant
is right. We are bankrupt. We are involved in areas that are
very questionable. Do they have this kind of control?”
Look at China. Look at Japan. China is taking $350 billion a year plus out of our economy. They are buying tanks,
attack aircraft, nuclear submarines—building them with
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our money.
Look at our foreign aid. Forget about Israel. We gave
$98 million last year to North Korea to convince them to
slow down their nuclear development. What do you think
they are using that $98 million for?
We gave $58 million to Russia so they would strive toward the word of law. I’ve got to say, “Beam me up” here.
Here in Youngstown we have the Delphi workers, formerly Packard and General Motors. The salaried workers
lost all their pensions and the hourly workers have to pay for
their health insurance now. It’s a $160 million impact on
our community. And look at the ripple effect and the other
losses of jobs that will subsequently come, it will be a $250
million loss every year. But we can’t get a bit of help for our
own people.
You’ve also been focused on the tax issue for a long
time. You’ve been a major critic of the IRS and few
politicians dare to do that.
The tax code is at the root of the problems we have in
America today. We have a communist Marxist-Leninist tax
policy in America. People don’t want to believe that, but it’s
the truth. The predicate of the Marxist economic platform
was a progressive income tax aimed at the so-called
wealthy. But the truth of the matter is that the wealthy can
avoid payment of taxes and they do, legally. So they are also
taking jobs offshore since this tax code has destroyed America’s commerce.
You can’t fix the system. It’s got to be replaced. We
should repeal the Sixteenth Amendment and abolish the Internal Revenue Service and institute a fair tax which would
be a 25 percent retail sales tax, new retail sales only.
The chairman of the economic department at Harvard
did a study that said this would be revenue-neutral, that it
would raise the same amount of money our tax system now
does and there would probably be no appreciable increase
in prices, because if you take the burden of the current tax
code off the backs of the companies that have all of these
headaches dealing with it, they would be able to reduce
prices for consumers. It would be the first border adjusted
tax in our history. It’s not protectionism. If you buy an
American car, it’s a 25 percent tax. If you buy a foreign car,
it’s a 25 percent tax.
But there should be no taxes on savings or investment,
no death tax, no capital gains tax. There would be no more
withholding on salaries. This tax encourages you to work.
The more you work, the more you make. The more you
spend the more you pay in taxes.
When people come from Germany and Japan to visit
Las Vegas, they will be contributing to our tax system. Illegal aliens who exist outside the income tax system would
also now be paying and contributing. And look at the massive underground economy involving narcotics here in this
country. They don’t pay income taxes, but they do spend
money and a 25% retail sales tax would impact them and
they would contribute to the system.
No more April 15. No more tax forms. Get the government the Hell out of our lives. Thirty-five states already collect a sales tax. Ninety-five percent of retail sales are
conducted by big retailers. Only five percent are conducted
by small business in America. People don’t realize that. Our
troops are over in Germany and Japan and spending their
money over there. If we had our troops here at home on our
wide-open borders they would be spending their money
here at home.
That brings up the issue of immigration.You’ve been
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up front and outspoken on that issue for a long time,
saying things that a lot of politicians—both Democrats
and Republicans—are afraid to say.
I’ve been called “racist” and “anti-Semitic”—
everything—but I’m not. Here’s what I think: If you are in
this country illegally, you shouldn’t get health care. You
should be thrown the Hell out. My family were all immigrants—legal immigrants. If you come here illegally, we
don’t want you in our schools and our emergency rooms.
We need an agreement with Mexico that they understand. We want the troops on the border to keep narcotics
out of this country. And I’m not just talking about the southern border. I’m also taking about our northern border. Terrorists could smuggle the components of a nuclear weapon
across the border and fire it off at New York. If that’s not a
national security issue, I want to know what it is.
Now that there’s a growing Hispanic vote in this country and Congress is conscious of this. They try to make it
look at though I am against Hispanic people. But I’m not.
Hispanic Americans are being hurt with these policies
themselves. And the Black community is being pushed further to the back of the bus because the Hispanic vote is
growing and politicians are catering to them.
So now they are saying that we should at least allow
them to buy health insurance. Imagine this: if the policy
and framework of a legislative initiative is “They are here
and they should be allowed to buy,” it’s obvious they don’t
want to throw the illegal aliens out. How much more bankrupt can America be?
Here’s where I want to just cut the line. It may sound
strict and severe, but if a woman is pregnant and comes to
America illegally and has a child, that child is an American
citizen. This sounds harsh but I don’t think that child should
be considered a citizen. And the mother and the child
should be sent back to where they came from.
There’s only way to enforce our border and immigration
security. If you build walls, they’ll build tunnels. We have
a massive Army that we are paying all of this money and
our soldiers are all over the globe and involved in wars that
aren’t in our interests.
Put those troops on our borders. Rotate those troops
every six months. America would be protected: our citizens,
our resources, our assets would be protected. And we will
utilize our resources for American citizens. We’re bankrupt
and we can’t keep taking care of everybody all over the
world. We have this foreign aid, but we’ve got Americans
sleeping on steel grates.
Critics say this is a shallow, simplistic way of looking at
things, but it is the truth. We’re too involved all over the
world. I remember reading that some senator once said that
if we don’t start taking care of the home front, we are going
to end up destroying ourselves. And that was a debate on the
floor of the Roman senate.
There was also a famous person in world history who
said, “Let China sleep, for if China ever awakens, the earth
shall tremble.” That was Napoleon—way back then. Well,
the earth is shaking. The dragon has got hold of our assets—real strong.
I once said in Congress that Russia is a fly in our face.
China is a dragon eating our assets. Russia didn’t have
much of an economy ever and anytime we ever had any
major international problem, Russia basically—with a lot of
caveats—stood by the United States. I predict that if anything happens again, Russia will probably side with the
United States. But people better take a look at that dragon.
Congressman Ron Paul (R-Texas) is sponsoring legislation to audit the Federal Reserve System, the privately-controlled banking monopoly that dominates the
U.S. money system. Now a lot of members of Congress
are jumping on the bandwagon, but long ago, when it
wasn’t fashionable, you were out front in criticizing the
Federal Reserve.
To most of those members who are supporting Ron
Paul’s measure, it is a matter of political expedience. I don’t
attribute that to Ron Paul. I believe he’s sincere and his heart
is in the right place. I was a little disappointed, by the way,
that he voted with the others to expel me from the House of
Representatives. I thought he would have looked at that a lot
differently and I know that if he had all this information
about what really happened in my case he probably would
have. I like Ron and he’s a good man.
Quite frankly, they’ll audit the Fed and come out with
their revelations and they’ll get their political victory, but
the Fed will go on just like it is, with international banking
controlling the money of the United States of America. I’m
not for auditing the Fed. I’m for abolishing the Fed. The
Constitution says that Congress shall coin money.
Now the argument is: “You can’t have politicians handling the money of the United States.” But who do we have
handling it? International politicians. I would abolish the
Fed and put the money back under the control of Congress
and putting the money back as it was originally mandated
by the Constitution. The Constitution is quite clear.
The Constitution also says Congress “shall regulate”
commerce with foreign nations. “Regulate.” What does that
mean? Does it mean opening up the doors to cheap foreign
imports? It means to weigh the different variables and cost
of production, labor and manpower and regulate some
mechanism to assure at least our mutual advantage and satisfaction with our trading partners. How can we with all of
regulatory burdens in this country compete with a factory
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in Mexico that pays its employees 35 cents an hour?
What is more important to the commercial venue of a
nation than the control of its money? Beam me up. Abolish the Fed. Let the Congress earn their money. Let them do
something responsible. We hear that Congress has questioned the Fed or that Congress is worried about what the
Fed is doing with interest rates.
Just abolish the Fed and put America in order.
The Constitution ain’t bad, although it allowed slavery,
treated women like cattle, treated American Indians like
non-entities. But over the years the adjustments were made.
There’s no doubt in my mind that our Founding Fathers
are rolling over in their graves.
Congress may go on and do what is politically expedient but this expedience may not be in the best interests of
the United States of America.
And we are in a Hell of a mess for it.
And if you are not in that pantheon of political machination, you are set aside, you are ostracized, you are even
expelled and put in prison. I think my particular case is
starting to show that this is only the tip of the iceburg.
Remember what happened to Bill Casey, who was CIA
director in the Reagan years. All of a sudden he died. What
about Vince Foster [who was Bill Clinton’s White House
counsel who is said to have committed suicide]? They tried
to make Rep. Dan Burton look like a buffoon for questioning the circumstances of Foster’s death. They found all
these fibers all over his body and that implied to me, as a
former sheriff, that maybe his body had been wrapped in a
rug and transported. And I don’t trust the 9-11 commission
either. I think they were just like the Warren Commission.
They all seem like honorable men, but you can call me a
conspiracy nut.
A lot of people don’t believe the criminal charges
against you were valid, that you—yourself—were the
victim of a frame-up, a conspiracy. People believe that
your prosecution was politically-motivated.
What the mainstream media is saying now is that since
I did a lot for this area—I brought $1.7 billion into my congressional district over and above normal formula money to
rebuild and help this area that was hurting so bad—people
don’t care if I did the things that I was accused of doing by
the Justice Department. They still love me anyway. That’s
the argument they use to downplay the serious legal issues
at hand in my case, where perjury was suborned, evidence
was withheld and justice was obstructed, every machination used to get an American citizen whose politics were
not liked. And I’m beginning now to believe that my politics were feared. You see one man could light a fire and
people might start thinking. They’ll try to destroy that one
man so he doesn’t look credible.
But there are too many people who know me and respect me and they are saying, “We believe what you say is
true. What the Hell are we doing? We’re bankrupt. Enough
is enough. We can support Israel but we don’t have to go
bankrupt. We can be objective and support our friends but
we don’t have to go overboard. What are we doing? We’re
embroiled in wars that are bankrupting us and our kids are
coming home in bodybags. Our borders are being over-run.
Our dollar is in danger. We’re losing currency reserve status in the world. They’ll start trading in the euro or some
other currency. What will that do to us?”
I predict that if there is not a direct and intended change
in the policies of the United States of America, America
will implode. That’s the word that I’ve used before.
I see Alaska, with its own revenue sources as a possibility [of breaking away from the United States]. Ameri-
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cans don’t understand that Alaska’s land mass is bigger than
almost every European country, save for Russia.
Then look at Texas and the same thing, with Texas and
a compact of states down there. What’s happening is that
there is a strong dilution of citizenship and demographics,
with a tremendous infusion of Hispanic people down there.
But you never know. People are starting to get fed up,
paying a massive amount of taxes and don’t know where
the money is going. It’s going all around the world, but our
borders are still wide open. Their kids are subject to foreign wars. They can’t make a loan but Congress has bailed
out the banks. If you want to make a loan, you have to have
three dollars in the bank to borrow one.
What the Hell is going on here?
But nobody is articulating it that way. So everybody’s
being put to sleep: they’re talking about the environment,
health care, etc and no one is looking at the cancer here.
You’ve got a $2 trillion dollar plus budget deficit in one
year. And now everybody is mad at Jimmy Carter because
he’s criticized our policies in the Middle East.
That’s right. They are starting to call Jimmy Carter
an “anti-Semite.”
They are starting to defame Jimmy Carter whose heart
is probably the best heart of any president ever elected. His
fairness could never be questioned. Now we might question some of those policies he had on economics, with those
massive interest rates, but in all fairness to Carter, in his
last year he had the budget deficit down to $90 billion and
there was no trade deficit. He had a balanced trade scenario. So you can knock Jimmy Carter all you want.
There was pain and pressure in the economy from the
high interest rates and the bankers were certainly making a
fortune. But the truth is that you had massive foreclosures,
you had American turmoil, but America was bankrupting
through the bankrupt mechanism of law and reconstructing
and reconfiguring, but now what you have is you are just
giving away money.
If you’ve got a problem, here’s some money. If Wall
Street has a problem, then here’s money. The news media
[says]: “If you don’t do it, things will collapse.”
Donald Trump made a Hell of a statement. I like old
Donald. Donald says we have bankruptcy laws. Let the bad
bankrupt and let the good survive and worry about the
American citizen. Donald Trump was right. He gave a
sense of wisdom that everybody should listen to.
But we didn’t do that. We didn’t let our own laws, our
own structure, our own government, our own predicate of
operations and commercial venue take hold. We are officially subsidized once again. What did we do with the automobile industry? We now have Government Motors. The
great General Motors’ CEO is Barack Obama. That’s the
way it is. That’s the situation.
We had the cash-for-clunkers program. We subsidized
Americans buying cars and it looked good for people who
had cars they wanted to get rid of. Are we going to have
another cash-for-clunkers program? Are we going to subsidize more sales?
So when we have to subsidize the free enterprise capitalistic system, it no longer exists. It’s a socialistic communist system. What frightens me is that the government has
gotten so big and now it’s about to get bigger. I’m not so
sure that we shouldn’t have the private sector maintaining
industry and the government taking care of those who fall
through the safety net, as we always have—and there’s
nothing wrong with that. But I can’t see us running all these
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industries. Government can’t do it. It shouldn’t be done.
We are the [most] socialistic nation in history, for the
truth of the matter is that socialism is the redistribution of
the wealth and no one redistributes wealth more than the
United States of America. So we are a socialist system,
augmented by a communist dollar program, a Marxist progressive income tax. Jim Traficant is saying that the income
tax system in the United States is a Marxist program, the
foundation of the Marxist economic platform.
In addition, I’m saying, the Federal Reserve System
should be abolished, not audited, abolished. And Congress
should coin money and should put our borders in order and
regulate commerce with foreign nations and move to a fair
tax which empowers everyone and has everybody pay their
fair share; and nobody [would be exempt], including drug
dealers, people on the street, the underground economy, illegal immigrants. Everybody pays [with the retail sales
tax]. For those people who fall through the safety net, Congress has enough intelligence to promulgate plans and programs within that scheme to take care of them.
What would our Founding Fathers think about big
government in America today?
I think they had a Second Amendment to make sure
there would be no strong central government. I don’t believe the Second Amendment was placed in the U.S. Constitution to protect duck hunters. It was to, in fact, make
sure that a powerful central government would not be the
only entity holding the fire power, that the citizens were
empowered, because it was their government.
Is it possible that a government could be totally and
completely out of control and beginning to manifest great
power and that this power was so awesome that no one
could even check it, and that this power was so great that
no one could even question it? Could that happen? Not only
could it happen, it is evidence in the United States of America right now. We are in a fix here.
Are either of the major parties doing anything to
combat this situation?
I see that both major parties tinkering with and trying to
repair a mechanism that needs to be replaced. They are
afraid. There is no ingenuity. There is no innovative
thought.
Are you going to seek public office again?
I don’t know. Right now I don’t have a job and I’m being
supported by my wife. There’s a lot of people here who
want me to run. My old district was divided up after I left
office, so if I were going to run again, I’d have to decide
where to run.
Another factor is that I’m not going to get any [campaign contributions] if I do run. People are afraid to give me
money, because if you give me money, you have the IRS
come and audit you if your name appeared on any of my
campaign finance reports.
I mean, I was targeted big time. If I did run, I’d have
trouble raising money and I’ve the institutional press
against me. You would have the Democratic Party which
would join forces against me and try to knock me out. I’ve
always been a Democrat, even though I’ve always been independent and voted for what’s best. So I really don’t know.
And while I have been speaking before some of the “tea
party” groups and they are just opposing what the government has screwed up, but I don’t think that they have come
with what I consider to be an advocacy for a program of
what they sponsor, but I think they are starting to promulgate plans around those lines. I’ve even been invited by a
group of Republicans to speak.
Among the people, I’m more or less seen as an American [rather than being identified with a particular political
party or program]. I’m seen differently by a lot of people in
this country. Although I ran as a Democrat, I didn’t always
vote as a Democrat in Congress. If I thought their program
was weak and it wasn’t good for the country, I didn’t vote
for it. The same thing for the Republicans: I thought if the
Republicans had a good idea, I’d support it. I think that’s the
way it should be. I’ve never been endeared with the Democratic leadership. The Democratic leadership right now—
well, I don’t know where they are going.
So I don’t know. I have a lot of groups that are saying I
should throw my hat in on a national level and that if more
people heard me that it would really start focusing on the
circumstances of our government.
Thank you, Jim. You have the support of AMERICAN
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