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New York State United Teachers thinks state Education Commissioner MaryEllen Elia’s
appearance at Tuesday’s Charter Advocacy Day “sends the wrong message at a time
when she should be fully focused on working with the Board of Regents to immediately
fix the state’s broken testing system and urging legislators to approve a significant state
aid increase,” the union said in a very long sentence.
Elia spoke very briefly roughly a half­hour before reporters where told she would
appear — two things that will tend to reduce coverage of her appearance.
Nevertheless, NYSUT was less than pleased:
Meeting with parents to gather input is one thing, but “The commissioner’s
appearance today at a political rally sends the wrong message entirely,” said
NYSUT President Karen E. Magee. “The commissioner is creating a
distraction and sending the wrong message to the Legislature. The Common
Core Task Force issued 21 recommendations that, as a whole, would put New
York on a path toward ending the era of test­and­punish. Some 96 percent of
students in public education attend traditional public schools. Parents and
teachers are running out of patience with the pace of change. They expect the
recommendations to be adopted by the Regents with fidelity — immediately.
That should be the commissioner’s focus.”
Magee added, “Traditional public schools that serve the state’s neediest
students have been devastated by budget cuts. The state still has not fully
funded the Campaign for Fiscal Equity settlement. The commissioner should
be rallying instead for the billions in state aid that our schools are owed.”
On the contrary, Magee noted, charter schools are flush with cash and do not
need additional funding increases. A March 2015 NYSUT report found that
the state’s charter schools held $282.2 million in cash and $392.1 million in
unrestricted net assets. The 200 charters studied held an average of 25.3
percent of their annual budgets in cash reserves.
NYSUT’s statement comes in the wake of a strongly worded letter to Elia
condemning her refusal to lessen testing days for students as the Common
Core Task Force recommended.
http://www.nysut.org/news/2016/february/nysut­blasts­seds­plan­for­2017­
state­assessments
NYSUT Vice President Catalina Fortino said, “The commissioner should
demand that charters stop excluding students with special needs and those
who are English language learners, while making it clear that the practice of
keeping ‘got to go’ lists and pushing out students is unconscionable.
Traditional public schools embrace the opportunity to serve every child. Too
many charters do not.”
Senate Majority Coalition sort­of­co­leaders John Flanagan and Jeff Klein addressed the
group after Elia, and promised to fight for increased resources including co­location of
charters within traditional public school spaces.
“Having choice, having access, having funding, having the proper setting, and having
leaders in Albany and in places like the City of New York continue to act like adults is
the most important thing,” Flanagan said.
Here’s the conclusion of Flanagan’s comments:
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It’s like this. Cuomo hates public schools. His Wall St. connections want to privatize for
profit, and give Andy campaign $.
Andy wants to be President and is considering a run in 2020 if the Repubs win this one.
Andy doesn’t want to lose the backing of the 1%ers giving him cash.
Elia doesn’t want to lose her $250,000 a year job after getting canned in Florida, so she’ll
do whatever Andy says.
If that means the person who represents public schools gives a pep talk to private, for profit
schools, so be it.
Got it?
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Northern NY is correct.
All these Commissioners are Governor­appointed puppets on a string. They don’t move
without marching orders. If she’s there, it’s because she’s wanted there acting at the
behest of her benefactors.
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“All your base are belong to us” ­NYSUT
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Misquoted. It is Zero Wing, NYSUT
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“All your base are belong to us” ­NYSUT Where did you see this quote? Whoever you are quoting can’t write. It makes no sense.
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It’s a meme — a very, very old meme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fvTxv46ano
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More analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7O5JY4uh­I
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““All your base are belong to us” ­NYSUT” – Knuckle Dragger
Take if from a Darth – you don’t speak geek very well.
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Thank you for some daijobe moments of Zen!
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Is it a surprise NYSUT doesn’t like the choice charter schools allow?
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The choice that Charter schools allow, are which students they are willing to take. No Special Needs. No ESL kids. They also don’t hold their teachers to nearly the same standard as public school
teachers. They also under pay their teachers. But it is no wonder they can tout their success rate, when they don’t have any autistic
kids, no kids with mental deficiencies, not ESL kids.
Charter schools hand pick which kids they want to take based on how well it will make
Charter schools hand pick which kids they want to take based on how well it will make
them look & how much of a profit their corporate share holders can fleece!!!!!
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Dale, obviously you don’t like choice. Can you return a couple links supporting all the
money being made off charter schools? Thanks.
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Not surprising at all. NYSUT cares about the kids. Charters care only about the bottom
line.
The only entity with “choice” is the charters themselves, who can pick and choose the
students to attend their for­profit school that’s funded by taxpayers, but not accountable
to them. Parents can apply, but the choice of acceptance is not theirs. The funniest part
is that for all their ability to pick and choose the smartest kids and send the rest back to
the underfunded public schools, on average, the charters aren’t delivering on their
promise of superior education. Knowing that you’re going to ask for evidence (you know,
the kind that you NEVER provide when asked to support your own odd, strange and
curious pronouncements), here’s one. There are probably other sites with differing
conclusions, but to refute me, you’ll have to actually find and cite one. Your usual
“because I said so” attitude won’t cut it.
http://www.centerforpubliceducation.org/Main­Menu/Organizing­a­school/Charter­
schools­Finding­out­the­facts­At­a­glance
“Some charters do better; the majority do the same or worse. CREDO also moved
beyond individual student performance to examine the overall performance of charter
schools across multiple subject areas. They found that while some charter schools do
better than the traditional public schools that fed them, the majority do the same or
worse. Almost one­fifth of charters (17 percent) performed significantly better (at the 95
percent confidence level) than the traditional public school. However, an even larger
group of charters (37 percent) performed significantly worse in terms of reading and
math. The remainder (46 percent) did not do significantly better or worse.”
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Reep, you do ramble. Try to focus now. I don’t believe anyone is making money off
charter schools. Please send me some real data to support your opinion. Thanks.
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NYSUT does not care about kids. They care about keeping as many union members
happy and sending their garnisheed union dues so they can keep the lights on in their
super nice building up on Route 7. They don’t want anything to get in the way of their
gravy train.
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Teachers care about kids. NYSUT cares about its members, unless it is violating the
prime obligation of a union.
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Elmer, of course teachers care about kids. Right after their personal wellbeing. Of course
union cares about members. Right after they satisfy their own financial requirements.
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Boy, you must have had some really bad teachers if you believe what you say. Sad. My
teachers would do anything to help us succeed and I continue to believe that the vast
majority of them do the same today. The vitriol is just incomprehensible.
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Inside, no need to personally attack. How about excellent teachers who taught me how to
properly evaluate data.
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Fine, I’ll play along a little bit. NYSUT doesn’t care directly about kids. It cares about
it’s members, teachers, who care about kids and, thanks to NYSUT, can spend more of
their time focusing on the kids instead of haggling with districts over all of the other
issues that form the employer/employee relationship, like pay, benefits, work
environment, etc., etc.. Better?
I’m not sending links about the profit issue, because none are necessary and you’ll argue
about them anyway. Many charters are owned by for profit corporations that have a
legal obligation to increase profits for their shareholders. If education isn’t the reason
for the corporation’s existence in the first place, for what other reason do they own
and/or manage a charter school if not to fulfill their legal obligation?
and/or manage a charter school if not to fulfill their legal obligation?
Once again, you demand proof from everyone but yourself. schdyres1 has asked you to
provide data to back up YOUR claim about NYSUT’s priorities. Should we expect you to
put up, shut up, or just ignore the question as is typical.
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Ok reep, which corporations with those stockholders invest in charter schools to make
money? . Teachers care first about their own wellbeing; then most I believe are concerned about
their students.
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Reep–no I issue that corporations have obligation to maximize shareholder value. The
same way a union had an obligation to maximize membership value. No difference. NYSUT can’t (absent membership consent) forego teacher interests “for
the kids”. Doesn’t make them bad, just fulfilling their reason for being.
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Surprising to no one, small, you opted to ignore the call for you to back up your own
claims, so you could spend more time demanding it of others. You bragged to Inside Out
about the “excellent teachers who taught [you] how to properly evaluate data”. So how
come the only evidence you ever offer is “because I said so”? Could it be that the “data”
you evaluate exists only in your own imagination?
Yes, small, I know, I “ramble so”. But at least I don’t pretend to be something I’m not.
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Unsurprising. In 2013, President Obama proclaimed a Charter School Appreciation Week
that not only fell on the already­existing Teacher Appreciation Week, but wrapped the
original Mon­Fri recognition with a longer Sun­Sat week. If these messages aren’t
intentional, I’d be surprised.
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Plain guy and smllballplay: please supply data that support your claim that NYSUT and
teachers care more about making money, than educating students. You would benefit from
visiting present day schools, and observing what teachers do day, after day. Better yet,
volunteer and help mentor students who are in need of role models. Hard to believe teachers would choose teaching, of all professions, merely to make money.
These days it is one of the most thankless, unappreciated professions. The rewarding part is
when a student, or students, display that look on their faces signifying that they now
understand a concept that had previously eluded them. No one can take that away.
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Public schools are for profit, the profit of nysut, csea, sanny’s and NYScoss. Believing
otherwise demonstrates a polyanish view of the world that can’t be remedied by trolling.
Thanks for the meme explanation Mr. Seiler. I notice some posters include images or
YouTube links. Is there a guide page, my Google­foo is weak in that.
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Schd: you want a list of some union and teacher job actions taken to advance their own
financial positions to the detriment of the children? Come on, that’s what happens. It’s a
natural order. . I have friends and relatives who have taught in public schools for many years. I have
done presentations in public schools many times. So, I’m somewhat familiar with what
goes on.
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Not all teachers are only in it for the money. As an example I refer to a good friend who
recently retired as the principal of Lackawanna HS. I understand the anti­NYSUT
sentiment expressed here but don’t think even NYSUT can stamp out the dedication that
most of their rank­and­file teachers exhibit. As one who picketed my own national union
headquarters during the Eastern strike, I can also understand the rank­and­file
frustration with NYSUT politics. But I believe that NYSUT must continue to play hardball
against the likes of Cuomo and SED leadership.
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Knuckle Dragger: Whichever definition of “trolling” you are applying here, none is
appropriate. Branding someone else’s view as Pollyannish because it does not fit your
view, does not elevate your view. view, does not elevate your view. Public schools are not for profit for investors who know little or nothing about teaching,
and do not receive salaries for their work in education. Charter Schools are many times
at least partially funded by such investors, who look forward to a return on their
investment.
Smballplay: How is “the natural order of things” proof of your description of the
detrimental (to students) actions of unions and teachers and to financially advance
themselves? You paint with such a broad brush.
With your presentations in schools in your background, you might consider voluntering
in the schools in a more personal relationship with students.
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Apparently the State Education Department has its own set of problems. Remember a few
weeks ago there was a fight of some kind between an employee and a supervisor, the agency
went on a lockdown, yet it seems that staff may not have known about the situation until it
was released in the media. Maybe the focus should be on personnel issues, nepotism, and
inter departmental relationships rather than on charter schools.
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We have not had an update on that incident – and probably will not, either. Sad, but we
will never find out what really happened.
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