BMW K+CAN INPA/SSS/DIS/CARSOFT/NAVCODER usb interface

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21st September, 2010, 03:06 PM
yorugualoco
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BMW K+CAN INPA/SSS/DIS/CARSOFT/NAVCODER usb interface idiot proof
Hi guys, first of all, this isn't new but all info is spread over there and it's a bit difficult to get all
info together so i made this post
1# buy some Vagcom cable KKL 409.1, just 8 ***8364; + shipping from ebay, ask the seller if it
has the chip FT232RL. why? well basically because that chip support software mods.
2# As my 530d do not have odb2 connector, I order a cable adapter from obd2 to 20 pin bmw,
ebay seller is ( Car.Doctor ) another 8 ***8364; + shipping.
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I preferred to catch it on ebay, because it was more comfortable and cheaper than going to
catch the pieces out there, also for those wishing to DIY, I leave the chart with specific
connections.
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3# Open your vagcom and solder obd2 pins 7 and 8, which are the K lines, otherwise you will
not be able to access to all modules from the car
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4# If you have buyed vagcom with ftdi 232 rl, for the software mod, you will need this driver
"CDM 4.2.1916 WHQL certified" , so unpack it, connect the cable, and install all with this driver.
Now we need to adjust the serial port, press the Windows key and Pause (both), then follow
these images (sorry my XP is in spanish language)
Select com1 and 1 or 2 ms of latency
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5# Download the "M. Prog 3.5" to modify the programming of the eeprom FT232RL,
we need to invert RI # and DSR # signals to fool the detection of battery and ignition, in order
to be able to encode.
Run mprog and follow this steps
check your I / O Controls settings, them must be like this:
#C0 = RXLED
#C1 = TXLED
#C2 = PWRON
#C3 = PWRON
#C4 = SLEEP
and do this
now you should see black dots
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if your vagcom comes with ft232bm/bl chips, don't worry you only need to do some work
for those chips
pin 17 is GND
pin 18 is RI
pin 20 is DSR
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so you need to solder pins 17,18 and 20 of the FTDI chip (this applies to the BL and BM) like
this
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but if we want some REAL battery and ingnition detect, we must do this circuit
Note: if you don't do this circuit you will not be able to do CAR KEY MEMORY
1 resistance of 4.7 kohm
1 resistance of 10 kohm
1 transistor BC546
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in ft232bm/bl, it look like this
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In case anyone wants to do it in the FT232RL here are the outputs of the chip.
Note: This interface supports cars from 96/98 to March 2007
it work's with inpa,dis,sss, carsoft 6.1.4 and navcoder also
For the navcoder you usually need a RESLER interface but you don't really need it
The Resler interface works with 4 outputs (ibus, 12v, gnd and NTSC) NTSC signal is used to the
camera and as we don't have the chip for its management, just forget about it.
With this in mind, connect three cables as follows
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OBD2 connector pin 16 to 12v Positive cable
OBD2 connector pin 7 to I-Bus cable
OBD2 connector pin 4 or 5 to negative (gnd) cable
Anyway just plug it into your obd2 and start navcoder or connect it to your cd changer or
radio, whatever.
you could search in wds for your car wires you will need 12v, gnd, and i-bus wich is usually a
white and yellow cable
now you can use navcoder or other i-bus software
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Nice job mate,
Very usefull, and well explained.
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Excelent job m8!!!
I will try it.
Very interesting solution!!!
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22nd September, 2010, 08:48 PM
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azazell
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hello!
nice job..great post
i have some question for you.
tell me please...the reverse signal #RI and #DSR is availble only for FT232RL , or to
be made and the FT232BM/BL ?
thank`s in advance
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Originally Posted by azazell
hello!
nice job..great post
i have some question for you.
tell me please...the reverse signal #RI and #DSR is availble only for
FT232RL , or to be made and the FT232BM/BL ?
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FTDI232BM/BL DON'T SUPPORT SOFTWARE MOD, so you need to do it hardware,
that's why you must solder chip pins 17,18 and 20.
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23rd September, 2010, 06:49 AM
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azazell
Newbie
thank you
after i write the message i find the answer
yes,i soldering the pins 17,18,20 with rezistance and transistor an it`s working.
the test machine it was a BMW 320TD 2004 and the software i use is ""BMW INPA
5.02 & EDIABAS 6.47 "" (63 Mb) - i confirm its working fine
thank`s for usefull post
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Thanks for this excellent info!
Do the USB-interfaces have the same chips? If not, is it possible to modifiy the
USB-IFs to?
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Hello friends, where can I find the BMW INPA 5:02 & 6:47 EDIABAS "(63 Mb), I have
changed the cable, now wanted the software that you tested.
To test this solution....
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great post yorugualoco!
something similar for carsoft MB? (vag kkl interface modding)
i didnt manage to make it work on c220 2004 with bare factory unmodded interface
and 7.6 kkl ipejasinovic version
thanks m8
un post genial yorugualoco!
algo parecido para MB? (modificando la interfaz vag kkl)
no logré hacerla funcionar tal como viene en un c220 2004 con la version 7.6 kkl de
ipejasinovic
gracias colega
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Originally Posted by yorugualoco
3# Open your vagcom and solder obd2 pins 7 and 8, which are the
K lines, otherwise you will not be able to access to all modules from
the car
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one more question:
in case of FT232BM/BL based interface, do i still need to solder obd2 pins 7 and 8?
thanks
edit: soldering pin 7 and 8 of interface is only necessary in case you connect
interface directly to car by means of its obd2 16pin connector (pin 7 and 8 are k
lines of 16pin obd2 connector in your car).
if your car has round 20pin connector and you use 16pin to 20pin adapter, it is not
necessary to solder because pins 17 and 20 (k lines of round connector in your car)
are internally soldered to pin 7 of interface (k line of interface)
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thank very good infomation is work 100%
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Originally Posted by manocao
one more question:
in case of FT232BM/BL based interface, do i still need to solder obd2
pins 7 and 8?
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yes sure, you MUST do it, otherwise you won't be able to access all modules from
the car
Siempre hay que soldar los pins 7 y 8 del obd2, corresponden a las dos lineas K de
bmw, si no los sueldas no puedes acceder a todas las centralitas del coche (solo
podras acceder al motor y la caja de cambios)
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Perfectly described and works... thanks!!!!
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hi yorugualoco,
some questions,
i have modded my vag com kkl interface with ft232BL (not RL) as you said and installed inpa
(loader 4.4.7, bmw group rectification programs uk v3.01) but when i connect interface to
computer and start inpa (_.ipo) i only get battery on = black dot (ignition is off = white dot)
i have conected interface to 220v/12v ac/dc power adapter (+12v to pin 16 and gnd to
pin4+5) but i get the same results
will ignition dot turn black when connecting interface to car so that pin1 is also powered? or
what is the problem?
thanks
edit: exactly! it works! i have powered pin 1 of interface and i get both black dots!
in your picture both dots are black without connecting interface to car ?????
edit: sure, because your interface got no transistor, so it doesnt depends on pin1 to make
ignition dot black
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for car key memory we must do next circuit but it says pin 1 is ignition (instead of +12v by
pin16) so i understand that in bmw cars pin 1 gets powered when turning the key to ignition
position
edit: according to pinouts.ru, pin 1 is +12v (power) so i asume it only got power when key is
turned to ignition position, BMW OBD-II diagnostic interface pinout and wiring @
pinoutsguide.com
i suppose that in car key memory process, inpa must detect in certain moment that key is
turned to off position but with interface still plugged to car, showing battery black dot and
ignition white dot.
if so, what about cars with round 20 pin connectors? in 16pin-to-20pin adapters, pin1 of obd2
side is not connected to any pin of round side so that it will never be powered, so car key
memory is not supported?
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edit: according to pinouts.ru, pin 16 in round bmw connector is +12v ignition but it is not taken
into account in obd2-to-bwm adapter, so i suppose that for car key memory we should also
solder a copper wire from pin 16 of bmw side to pin 1 of obd2 side
BMW OBD II vehicle diagnostic connector pinout and wiring @ pinoutsguide.com
in adapters from ebay, it seems round side can be opened but not obd2 side, so it is not
possible to solder a wire between them.
i think for cars with 20pin connectors only solution is:
- we dont need transistor circuit anymore, just add a switch between pin 20 of ft232bm/bl and
ground (pin 4 or 5 of obd2 connector in interface, or pin 17 in ft232bm/bl chip, or black wire of
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usb connector in interface, etc... but pin 17 and 18 must still be soldered together): switch it
off when you are prompted to turn key to off position, in other conditions keep it on
- in case you wanna keep your transistor circuit (for obd2 16pin connector compatibility, in
case you need it in the future or interface is also gonna be used in other bmw cars with 16pin
obd2 connector), solder the 10k resistor to both pin16 and pin1 of obd2 connector in interface,
BUT you MUST insert a switch between the resistor and pin16 in order to simulate key is turned
to off position when prompted: switch it off when you are prompted to turn key to off position,
in other conditions keep it on (except when used in bmw car with 16pin obd2 connector: keep
it always switched off because pin1 will be the one powered or not when turning the key to
ignition position or off position respectively)
SAY THANKS!!
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