da amis eSinia RaribaSvils

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da amis eSinia RaribaSvils
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xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014 #08 (025), fasi 2 lari
#08 (025) xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
premieri
moCurCule
trusebi
prezidentis
ekonomikuri
aqcentebi
obama
RaribaSvils
SeeCexa
skandaluri piesis
premiera
sandro axmetelis
saxelobis TeatrSi
`sigrZe udris
saTnoebis
zeswrafvas - C+01...~
...~
ekonomika, gv. 15
analitika, gv. 18
kultura, gv. 28
dodona kiziria:
`ruseTma, SesaZloa,
kbilebis kraWuniT
daTmos ukraina da
saqarTveloze
aiRos revanSi~~
politika, gv. 10
sazogadoebriv-politikuri gazeTi www.premieri.ghn.ge
`narmanias mainc movugeb arCevnebs
da amis eSinia RaribaSvils~
ZiriTadi
tendencia
mJavanaZisa da misi axalgazrdebis es gancxadebebi
saeWvod emTxveva ivaniSvilis samoqalaqo seqtorSi
gadmosvlas. me samoqalaqo sazogadoebas movuwode,
rom am adamians gamijvnoda. vTxove, fulis gamo,
ivaniSvilTan arc erT samoqalaqo, cnobil
organizacias Sexeba ar hqonoda...
`
giorgi
margvelaSvilis
gafrTxileba vin da ratom
unda
ufrTxodes
`verel Zvel
biWs?~
vxedavT irakli RaribaSvili policiur saxelmwifos rom qmnis da
yvelgan niSnavs policielebs. Tavisi erT-erTi moadgile Tea wulukians
Causva, meore _ alasanias, axla unda, rom sxva moadgile an ndobiT
aRWurvili piri daniSnos advokatTa asociaciis Tavmjdomared...
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gverdi 12-14
vis daemuqra Tbilisis prokurori samudamo patimrobiT
am saqmis zedamxedveli prokurori
gaxldaT mixeil SayulaSvili,
romelic dRes Tbilisis
prokuroria da saqmis SeTiTxvnaSic,
aqtiurad monawileobda.
`
realur brZolas simarTlis gasarkvevad swored
axla viwyebT. amis Sesaxeb pirvel da eqskluziur
gancxadebas `premierSi~ vakeTebT.
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gverdi 6-7
interviu
skandali
Jurnalisturi
mokvleva
politika
saxelfaso
skandali
`qarTul
ocnebaSi~
sazogadoeba
devnili,
socialurad
daucveli, 12-jer
naoperacievi lukas
deda TviTmkvlelobiT imuqreba
givi xaWapuriZe:
nika rurua:
zaal anjafariZe:
`sazogadoebis
socialuri apaTiiT
kargad sargebloben
avantiuristi
politikosebi~
gverdi 16
`partiebi imitom
ikaveben Tavs Sedegebis
gasajaroebisgan, rom
arc erTi
maTganisTvis
warmateba ar ikveTeba~
`ruseTisgan
Tavdacvis
saukeTeso gza
winaaRmdegobis
gawevaze gadis~
gverdi 3
gverdi 5
ekonomika
15
kultura
gverdi 8
26-29
sporti
38
gverdi 22
Cveulebrivi vereli
`Zveli biWia~ didi
inteleqtualuri
ambiciiT da imas ki
namdvilad moaxerxebs,
rom arc sakuTari Tavi
da arc prezidentis
instituti anekdotebis
Temad ar aqcios.
xolo is, Tu ra
SeuZlia prezidents
(Tundac axali
konstituciiT) sul male
gamoCndeba, _ pirvelive
seriozuli
gaugebrobisas `ocnebaSi~
raime strategiuli
gadawyvetilebis an
mniSvnelovani
kanonproeqtis Taobaze.
gverdi 20-21
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xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
#08 (025)
ar vapirebT kompromisze wasvlas da Cveni evropuli
momavlis ase ubralod daTmobas
saqarTvelos mTavrobam evrokavSiris Txovnaze Tanxmoba
ganacxada
aSS-is atlantikur sabWoSi irakli RaribaSvilma gamosvlis daskvniTi nawili
dauTmo ruseT-saqarTvelos urTierTobasa da saqarTvelos evrointegraciisaken
swrafvas.
“saqarTvelos mTavroba, yovel Rones vixmarT, Cveni SesaZleblobis farglebSi,
gavuZloT SesaZlo gareSe zewolasa da Zaldatanebas, radgan Cven ar vapirebT kompromisze wasvlas da Cveni evropuli momavlis ase ubralod daTmobas. mogiwodebT,
dagviWiroT mxari, da ara imitom, rom an erTiani ara varT, an ara varT darwmunebuli Cvens miswrafebebSi, aramed imitom movuwodebT Cvens dasavlel megobrebs dax-
evrokavSirma saqarTvelos centraluri afrikis respublikaSi dagegmil samSvidobo
misiaSi monawileobis Sesaxeb TxovniT mimarTa. oficialuri mowveva evrokavSiris umaRlesma warmomadgenelma sagareo saqmeTa da usafrTxoebis politikis sakiTxebSi, ket-
marebisken, rom gavuZloT ucxour zewolas, romelic emuqreba sabWoTa imperiis daSlis Semdeg Tavisufali msoflios mier Cvens regionSi ganxorcielebul miRwevebs
SecvliTa da ukan dabrunebiT. „ - ganacxada premier-ministrma.
RaribaSvilma qveynis winaSe mdgari gamowvevebi sabWoTa okupaciis TariRsac daukavSira. ,,dRes 25 Tebervalia. 93 wlis win wiTeli armia SemoiWra TbilisSi da saqarTvelos demokratiuli respublikis damoukidebelma saxelmwifom arseboba Sewyvita,
ramac 70 wliT ukan daxia qarTveli xalxis istoriuli svla. sasicocxlod mniSvnelovania, rom amgvari istoriuli tragediebi aRar ganmeordes 21-e saukuneSi. „ ganacxada premierma sityvis dasasruls.
rin eStonma saqarTvelos sagareo saqmeTa ministris saxelze gamoagzavna.
centraluri afrikis respublikaSi 6 Tviani samSvidobo misia, romelSic qarTuli
aseuli unda CaerTos, gaeros mandatiT xorcieldeba.
afrikis kontinentze dagegmil misiaSi qarTuli kontingentis CarTvis Sesaxeb dRes,
saqarTvelos mTavrobis sxdomaze imsjeles. saqarTvelos mTavrobam mzadyofna gamoTqva
mxari dauWiros evrokavSiris egidiT dagegmil misiaSi qarTuli mxaris CarTvas. „dRes
saqarTvelos mTavrobam ganixila evrokavSiris Txovna, rom saqarTvelos SeiaraRebuli Zalebi CaerTos evrokavSiris mier warmoebul operaciaSi centraluri afrikis
respublikaSi. Cven vimsjeleT da miRebuli iqna gadawyvetileba, rom saqarTvelo CaerTveba am procesSi. es aris humanitaruli, moralurad gamarTlebuli misia. misias
evrokavSiri axorcielebs gaeros rezoluciis Sesabamisad. detalebze ganxorcieldeba molaparakebebi evrokavSiris Tavdacvis struqturebTan. misia 6 Tviani iqneba, romelic maisSi daiwyeba. samSvidobo misiaSi CarTuli iqneba saqarTvelos SeiaraRebuli
Zalebis aseuli. Cveni SiaraRebuli Zalebi profesionalizmiT, sabrZolo mzadyofniT,
aseve, natosa da evrokavSiris qveynebTan TavsebadobiT gamoirCevian. aqedan gamomdinare, darwmunebuli var, rom es misia, iseve rogorc sxva misiebi, Cveni SeiaraRebuli
ZalebisTvis iqneba warmatebuli. Cveni samxedroebi warmatebiT Seasruleben Tavis
amocanebs da daubrundebian qveyanas. konkretuli detalebi uaxloesi ramdenime kviris
ganmavlobaSi iqneba cnobili” - ganacxada saqarTvelos Tavdacvis ministrma irakli
alasaniam.
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miniWebas dauWiros mxari.
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senatoris mier Tebervlis
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2014 wlis londonis
samitze saqarTvelosTvis nato-Si gawevrianebis samoqmedo gegmis miniWebis mxardaWeras iTxovdnen.
“saqarTvelo ganagrZobs winsvlas reformebis sakiTxSi. Cven aRfrTovanebuli varT saqarTveloSi 2013 wels Catarebuli saprezidento
arCevnebis administrirebiT da vaRiarebiT mis udides kontribucias
natos, konkretulad “aisafis” operaciebSi. am da sxva sferoebSi
saqarTvelom daamtkica, rom aris unariani da erTguli partniori
operaciebisas. gvjera, rom saqarTvelo imsaxurebs ndobas nato-s momaval samitze im progresisTvis, romelsac man miaRwia da da aseve im
erTgulebisTvis, romelsac nato-s operaciebisa da standartebisadmi
iCens. Cven mxars vuWerT saqarTvelos mcdelobebs miaRwios SeTanxmebas
aliansTan da miiRos mapi”, _ naTqvamia saxelmwifo departamentis mier
momzadebul werilSi.
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giorgi margvelaSvili saerTaSoriso
Tanamegobrobas mimarTavs, mavTulxlarTebis gabmis
winaaRmdeg xma aimaRlon
saqarTvelos prezidenti giorgi margvelaSvili saerTaSoriso
Tanamegobrobas mimarTavs, mavTulxlarTebis
gabmis winaaRmdeg “CvenTan erTad xma aimaRlon”. rogorc margvelaSvilma Jurnalistebs
ganucxada, aRniSnuli
qmedeba
konfliqtis
garTulebiskenaa mimarTuli.
“minda, mivmarTo saerTaSoriso
Tanamegobrobas, rom CvenTan erTad xma aimaRlos am
sruliad ukanono qmedebis winaaRmdeg. es aris
qmedeba, romelic mimarTulia konfliqtis
garTulebisken. mavlTulxlarTebis gabma xdeba mxolod imisTvis, rom
moxdes konfliqtis SenarCuneba”, - ganacxada margvelaSvilma.
amasTan, saqarTvelos prezidenti ruseTsac mimarTavs da Seaxsenebs,
rom aRniSnuli qmedeba saerTaSoriso samarTlis normebis uxeS darRvevas warmoadgens.
“aseve minda, mivmarTo ruseTs - es aris kidev erTi danaSauli,
saerTaSoriso samarTlis normebis kidev erTi darRveva. me vfiqrob,
yvelam unda moicalos am saqmisTvis, radgan mavTulxarTebis gabma
xdeba imisTvis, rom ar moxdes konfliqtis deeskalacia”, - dasZina
prezidentma.
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xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
kaxa kandelaki
q
arTul
ocnebaSi~
morigi
skandali
mwifdeba,
oRond
amjerad saqme
koalicias ki ara, partia
`qarTul ocneba demokratiul
saqarTvelos~, ufro
konkretulad, partiul
gazeT `qarTul ocnebas~
exeba. im fonze, roca
samoqalaqo seqtorSi
gadamisamarTebuli
eqspremieri biZina
ivaniSvili mediis Sesaxeb
brtyel-brtyel
gancxadebebs akeTebs,
Jurnalistebs sul TiTis
qneviT elaparakeba da
ambicia aqvs, rom
qarTuli mediis
seleqcia moaxdinos, anu
treningebi Cautaros,
kargi iqneba, `dalagebadasufTaveba~ jer im
mediasaSualebaSi
daiwyos, romelic
masTan asocirdeba.
saerTod, biZina ivaniSvils
yvelaferze, maT Soris, e.w.
meoTxe
xelisuflebazec
Taviseburi warmodgena-Sexed-
uleba aqvs. magaliTad, darwmunebulia, rom Jurnalistma
`araeTikuri SekiTxva~ ar unda
dasvas da respondentis, am
SemTxvevaSi, yofili premieris
sulier simSvideze izrunos.
danamdvilebiT ver vityviT,
vin Seuqmna miliarders mediaze aseTi warmodgena, magram
aSkaraa, misTvis media `sacdeli kurdRelia~, romelsac ise
moeqceva, rogorc moundeba
da amas `me-9 arxis~ magaliTic mowmobs: televizia ivaniSvilma jer 2004 wels, anu maSin
daxura, roca mis mier dafinansebuli `nacionalebi~ xelisuflebaSi movidnen. metic,
arxi, romliTac `me-9 arxi~
maSin mauwyeblobda, kuluaruli xmiT, ivaniSvilma, madlierebis niSnad, `rusTavi 2~is maSindel mflobelsa da xelmZRvanels, erosi kiwmariSvils aCuqa. mere, politikaSi
rom movida, sakuTari mediis
aucileblobis saWiroeba igrZno da `me-9 arxi~ aRadgina.
bolos ki, roca xelisufleba
gainaRda, `me-9 arxi~ da misi
Jurnalistebi, romlebic
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saxelfaso
skandali
`qarTul ocnebaSi~
saarCevno periodSi, praqtikulad, brZolis wina xazze
iyvnen, Tavidan moicila.
`me-9 arxi~, romelic biZina
ivaniSvilis meuRlis, ekaterine xvedeliZis saxelzea
gaformebuli, kerZo sakuTrebaa da mesakuTre, bunebrivia,
imas uzams, rasac unda _ daxuravs an ar daxuravs, magram,
umetes, im fonze, roca 15
aTasi lari ivaniSvilis miliardebTan sasacilo Tanxaa.
mainc, ra xdeba `qarTul
ocnebaSi~?
ra da, rogorc `premiers~
mstovrebi eubnebian, gazeTis
damfuZneblebs TanamSromelTa saxelfaso davalianeba
aqvT, romelic 15 aTas lars
albaT, arsebobs moraluri
mxarec... Tumca didi politikisTvis morali, rogorc
Cans, ucxo cnebaa.
axla, rac Seexeba morig
skandals, romelsac `qarTuli ocneba~ SeiZleba, ver gadaurCes. rogorc `premiers~
samTavrobo
mstovrebma
uTxres, partia `qarTuli
ocneba _ demokratiuli
saqarTvelos~ partiuli gazeTis, `qarTuli ocnebis~ TanamSromlebi ise arian gamwarebulebi, rom sakuTari Rirsebis dasacavad SesaZloa, sasamarTlosac mimarTon, Tumca
sanam viTareba ase ukiduresad
daiZabeba, TanamSromlebs gzebi
mounaxavT da energetikis ministrisTvis,
romelic
amasTanave, vice-premiericaa
da partia `qarTuli ocneba _
demokratiuli saqarTvelos~
generaluri mdivanic, xma miuwvdeniaT. kaxa kalaZe gacofebula da ubrZanebia, es
xalxi saswrafod daakmayofileTo, magram situacia jerjerobiT ucvlelia.
arada,
dakmayofileba
sirTules ar warmoadgens, miT
ar aRemateba. da aseve, stambebis vali.
partiuli gazeTi `qarTuli ocneba~ 2012 wlis pirveli
oqtombris saparlamento
arCevnebis win Seiqmna da ufasod vrceldeboda. rogorc
`premierisTvis~ xdeba cnobili, maSin, miuxedavad imisa,
rom `nacionalebi~ `ocnebas~
gasaqans ar aZlevdnen, gazeTs,
finansuri TvalsazrisiT,
problemebi ar hqonda. metic,
rogorc informatori ambobs,
TanamSromlebi yoveli Tvis
bolos solidur premiebsac
iRebdnen, Tumca yvelaferi es,
Turme, `qeSad~ xdeboda.
marTalia, ufasod rigdeboda da im dros `qarTuli
ocnebis~ mimarTac mosaxleobis didi interesi arsebobda,
magram miuxedavad amisa, gazeTi `qarTuli ocneba~ maincdamainc didi popularobiT ar
sargeblobda. principSi, yvela partiuli gazeTis, ase
vTqvaT, bedi aseTia, Tumca
`qarTulma ocnebam~ koaliciis gamarjvebaSi Tavisi wili
aguri mainc dado.
naTqvamia, mavrma mavris
saqme gaakeTa, mavri unda wavideso. hoda, `qarTuli ocnebac~ mavris rolSi aRmoCnda
_ saparlamento arCevnebis
Semdeg, gazeTis TanamSromlebi Sin, Turme, upardonod
gauSves, Tumca rogorc `premieris~ wyaroebi amboben, maSin `zemdgomebi~ patiosnad
moiqcnen da kuTvnili xelfasi yvelas gadauxades.
axla, roca situacia kritikulia, gazeTis warmomadgenlebi, Turme, im moralur
kompensaciasac iTxoven, Tavis
droze gazeTis moulodneli
daxurviT rom miiRes, Tumca
kompensaciaze
ocneba,
rogorc Cans, ocnebad darCeba...
2013 wlis zafxulidan, anu
im droidan, roca koaliciam
saprezidento kandidatad
giorgi margvelaSvili daasaxela da saarCevno kampania dai-
arada transportirebisTvis
seriozuli Tanxebi yofila
gamoyofili. sad midioda es
Tanxa, amis garkveva, albaT,
saintereso iqneba.
bevri rom aRar gavagrZeloT, saarCevno kampaniis
dros, gazeTis TanamSromlebs
problemebi Turme ar hqoniaT. amasobaSi, 27 oqtomberic
dadga, saprezidento arCevnebSi giorgi margvelaSvilma
gaimarjva da `qarTuli ocneba~, rogorc Cans, kvlav mavris
rolSi aRmoCnda _ TanamSromlebisTvis, miuxedavad imisa,
rom
xelSekrulebebi
daumTavrdaT, uTqvamT, rom
gazeTi noemberSic unda gamoecaT da finansebis mxriv problemebi ar SeeqmnebodaT.
sxvaTa Soris, gazeTi,
rogorc `premiers~ auxsnes,
`qarTu fondidan~ finansdeboda.
wyo, gazeTi `qarTuli ocneba~
aRdga _ samsaxurSi TiTqmis
yvela Zveli TanamSromeli
daabrunes, Tumca xelfasebi
gaunaxevres. ganaxlebuli
`qarTuli ocneba~ kvlavindeburad ufasod vrceldeboda
da, wesiTa da rigiT, partiis
yvela raionul da regionul
organizaciaSi unda CaetanaT,
magram, rogorc amboben, CataniT Tavs aravin iwuxebda.
2013 wlis noemberSi, `premieris~ wyaroebis TqmiT, gazeT
`qarTuli ocnebis~ oTxi nomeri gamovida. bolo, meoTxe
nomeri gansakuTrebuli yofila _ `qarTuli ocneba _
demokratiuli saqarTvelos~
yrilobisTvis, Turme, sagangebod momzadda, magram pirvelma problemam Tavi, rogorc
amboben, swored am dros iCina
_ `elita burjma~, romelic
amdeni xnis ganmavlobaSi
gazeTs beWdavda, Turme beWdvaze uari ganacxada. uaris
mizezi qaRaldis arqona yofila, magram isic aRsaniSnavia,
rom gazeTs stambis seriozuli davalianebac hqonia.
ase iyo Tu ise, gazeTis
stafs beWdvis problema didi
wvalebiT mougvarebia da
partiis yrilobaze `qarTuli
ocneba~ daurigebiaT kidec,
magram mas Semdeg, gazeTi
aRaravis gaxsenebia. metic,
redaqcias, romelic Tavdapirvelad `qarTu bankSi~ yofila ganTavsebuli, axla ki bankis gverdiT mdebare SenobaSia,
gamosaxlebas upireben.
`premieris~ samTavrobo
wyaroebis TqmiT, gazeTis TanamSromlebi xmauris atexas
apirebdnen, magram cota xans
gaCerdnen, radgan kaxa kalaZis
sityvis imedi aqvT, Tumca Tu
`qarTuli ocneba _ demokratiuli saqarTvelos~ generaluri mdivani maT daxmarebas
ver SeZlebs, maSin gamoricxuli ar aris, Jurnalistebma
premier irakli RaribaSvilTan, rogorc partiis TavmjdomaresTan, moiTxovon Sexvedra. ukidures SemTxvevaSi ki
saprotesto aqciebi gamarTon.
saerTod, fulTan dakavSirebuli problemebi koaliciisTvis axali ar aris _
arsebobs informacia, rom agitatorebisa da sxva aqtivistebis nawils, romelic 2012
wlis saparlamento da 2013
wlis saprezidento arCevnebis dros `qarTul ocnebaze~
muSaobda, Sepirebuli jamagiri dRemde ar miuRia. aseve,
cnobilia, rom biZina ivaniSvilma msaxiobebisa da sxva
damsaxurebuli adamianebis
nawils e.w. stipendia mouxsna.
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Temur kalandaZe
p
remieri~
medicinis
doqtors, aSSis tulenis
universitetis
jandacvis
politikisa da marTvis
specialists, h. hamfris
stipendiats sergo
CixlaZes esaubra.
xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
`marixuanis dekriminalizacia piradi
moxmarebisTvis misaRebia, magram misi
legalizacia dauSvebelia~
dakargva, gonebrivi da inteleqtualuri ganviTarebis
Seferxeba da sxv.). Tanac
marixuana xSirad xdeba erTgvari `xidi~ sxva ufro mZime
narkotikebis moxmarebisTvis.
ixmareba farmakologiaSi,
magram es ar niSnavs, rom
Tavisufal gayidvaSi unda
iyos is.
_ eqimebi amboben, rom
marixuanis moxmareba
iwvevs `siamovnebis
zRurblis awevas~, anu
raRac drois Semdeg
momxmareblisTvis
marixuana im `efeqts~
veRar aRwevs da ufro
Zlier saSualebebze
gadadian, sabolood ki
narkodamokidebulebi
xdebian... es asea?
_ marixuana SeiZleba
gaxdes erTgvari `xidi~ sxva
ufro mavne narkotikebis
moxmarebisTvis. Catarebuli
kvlevebi aCvenebs, rom narkotikebis momxmarebelTa didi
nawili mZime narkotikis moxmarebamde zustad marixuanas
`eTamaSebodnen~. gavrcelebulia azri, rom marixuana ar
iwvevs damokidebulebis ganviTarebas. es mcdari azria.
diaxac, rom iwvevs damokidebulebis
ganviTarebas
sistematuri moxmarebis
SemTxvevaSi. kvlevebma aCvena,
rom SemTxvevaTa 9%-Si is
iwvevs damokidebulebis ganviTarebas da mozard organizmebSi es cifri 25%-s aRwevs.
_ saqarTveloSi
marixuanis legalizebaze
sazogadoebis sxvadasxva
jgufebi bevrs saubroben.
argumentebi ki
sxvadasxvagvaria. aris
Tu ara safrTxis
Semcveli es iniciativa?
aris Tu ara saSiSi
marixuana?
_ upirvelesad, unda gavmijnoT legalizacia da dekriminalizacia. marixuanis
mowevisTvis cixeSi rom ar
unda alpobdnen adamians, es
calsaxaa, magram me ar
vfiqrob, rom unda moxdes
misi legalizeba da xelmisawvdomi gaxdes moqalaqeebisTvis. im xalxs, vinc legalizebaze saubrobs, an ar esmis, ras niSnavs es termini da
ereva dekriminalizaciaSi, an
ar icis is mavne zemoqmedeba,
rasac marixuana axdens organizmze. marixuana, Sedis ra
organizmSi, moqmedebs tvinis
garkveul (kanabinoidur) receptorebze, romlebic umetesad Tavmoyrilia tvinis im
ubnebSi, romelic pasuxismgebelia
mexsierebaze,
azrovnebaze,
moZraobis
koordinaciasa da aRqmaze.
swored aqedan modis is
efeqtebi, rac marixuanis
miRebas mohyveba.
marixuanis sistematuri
moxmareba friad saSiSia janmrTelobisTvis. is iwvevs aRqmisa da koordinaciis darRvevas, auaresebs maxsovrobisa da daswavlis procesebs,
gansakuTrebiT ki saSiSia axalgazrda, ganviTarebadi
organizmisTvis (mexsierebis
#08 (025)
`vinc marixuanis legalizebas iTxovs, daeyrdnos
mecnierulad dasabuTebul faqtebs da ara yviTel
presaSi dabeWdil mis `dadebiT~ efeqtebs~
Catarebulia mravali kvleva, romelmac aCvena, rom is
adamianebi, vinc sistematurad, garkveuli sixSiriT
moixmardnen marixuanas, gacilebiT CamorCebian TavianTi
gonebrivi maCveneblebiT, mexsierebisa da swavlis unariT
im adamianebs, visac is ar
mouxmaria. Tanac, es Cavardnebi gonebrivi ganviTarebis
mxriv Seuqcevadia. ase rom,
me piradad, xelmisawvdomobis (anu legalizebis) kategoriuli winaaRmdegi var!
aseve, gasaTvaliswinebelia
qveynis konteqsti (umuSevroba, gasarTobi adgilebisa da
rekreaciuli
zonebis
ararseboba, narkotikebis
moxmarebis tradiciulad
maRali maCvenebeli da a.S).
_ meore sakiTxia is,
rom saqarTvelos
kanonmdebloba Zalian
mkacria marixuanis
momxmarebelTa mimarT,
arada msoflios bevrma
qveyanam marixuanis
dekriminalizacia
moaxdina. iqneb,
ubralod, terminebis
aRrevaa da
dekriminalizacia ufro
misaRebia, vidre
legalizacia? saubaria
imaze, rom marixuanis
momxmarebeli isjeba
iseTive simkacriT,
rogorc heroinis.
msoflios umetes
qveynebSi ki aseTi
midgoma ar aris.
_ geTanxmebiT, zemoTac
aRvniSne, rom piradi moxmarebisTvis adamiani ar unda
isjebodes, miT umetes iseTi
simkacriT, rogorc es CvenTanaa. dekriminalizacia (pirad moxmarebas vgulisxmob)
marTlac moxda bevr qveyanaSi, magram dekriminalizacia
ar Sexebia marixuanis kultivirebas, gasaRebasa da
transportirebas, is Seexo
mxolod pirad moxmarebas.
evropaSi sul ramdenime qveyanaa, sadac daSvebulia misi
moyvana da moxmareba mxolod
piradi gamoyenebisTvis. aSSSi mxolod 2 StatSia nebadarTuli misi moxmareba
(srulwlovani mosaxleobisTvis), yvela sxva StatSi is
akrZalulia. sxvaTa Soris,
orive am StatSi mkveTrad
imata marixuanis moxmarebam
misi legalizaciis mere da
aseve, imata im uaryofiTma
movlenebma, rac marixuanis
moxmarebas sdevs. ase rom, is
argumenti, rac xSirad ismis,
rom, Tu ar iqneba `akrZaluli xilis~ efeqti, maSin bevri aRar mieZaleba mas, aq ar
moqmedebs.
_ rogor fiqrobT,
dekriminalizacia rom
moxdes da ara
legalizacia, ra Sedegs
miviRebT?
_ dekriminalizacia piradi moxmarebisTvis, vfiqrob,
misaRebia. Tumca aqac miviCnev, rom garkveuli mosamzadebeli samuSaoa Casatarebe-
li. vgulisxmob Tundac imas,
rom mosaxleobis umetesobas
ar aqvs informacia marixuanis moxmarebis mavne Sedegebze da Zalian zedapirulad
_ rogori unda iyos
saxelmwifos midgoma _
momxmarebeli
kriminalia Tu
daavadebuli?
_ zogadad, narkotikebis
momxmareblebi arian daavadebulebi da maT sWirdebaT seriozuli fsiqo-socialuri
reabilitacia,
iseve, rogorc medikamenturi detoqsikacia. am mxriv,
marTlac seriozuli samuSaoa Casatarebeli da saxelmwifom Tavisi wvlili
unda Seitanos amaSi. mxolod
udgeba am sakiTxs. aseve, is,
rom dekriminalizacia ar
niSnavs legalizacias.
calkeuli arasamTavrobo
organizaciebis Zalisxmeva
sakmarisi ar aris.
_ xSirad marixuanis
momxmareblebi, da
aramarto isini, eqimebic,
marixuanis dadebiT
samkurnalo Tvisebebze
saubroben da isic
faqtia, rom uamravi
literaturaa, sadac
swored amazea saubari.
ra aris dadebiTi da
ra uaryofiTi?
_ ras etyviT maT, vinc
marixuanis legalizacias
iTxovs?..
_ rac Seexeba samedicino
sargebels, morfinic gamoiyeneba medicinaSi garkveuli
doziT da garkveuli mdgomareobebis dros, magram es
ar niSnavs, rom is xelmisawvdomi unda iyos da misi mavne
moxmarebis winaaRmdeg saxelmwifo ar unda ibrZodes.
an, magaliTad, gvelis Sxamic
_ gaiTvaliswinon is
mavnebloba, rac, zogadad,
marixuanas moaqvs (gansakuTrebiT mozardebisTvis).
is, vinc marixuanis legalizebas iTxovs, vurCev, daeyrdnos mecnierulad dasabuTebul faqtebs da ara yviTel
presaSi dabeWdil azrebs
marixuanas `dadebiT~ efeqtebze, gaiTvaliswinos is socialuri da ekonomikuri
foni, rac dRes saxelmwifoSi sufevs da aseve, gamijnos
legalizacia da dekriminalizacia, rasac xSirad erTmaneTSi ureven.
#08 (025)
premieri
xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
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`ruseTisgan Tavdacvis saukeTeso gza ruseTisTvis
principuli da mtkice winaaRmdegobis gawevaze gadis~
`ianukoviCi imaze
suleli gamodga,
vidre movelodi,
radgan putinis
rCevebs daemorCila~
pragmatuli politikis
realizebas?
_ moZaladesTan damTmobi
urTierToba
yovelTvis
wamgebiania
sustisTvis.
dRevandelma xelisuflebam,
Tu is TviTganadgurebis maniiT araa Sepyrobili, unda
icodes, rom ruseTisgan Tavdacvis
saukeTeso
gza
ruseTisTvis principuli da
mtkice winaaRmdegobis gaw-
aleqsi nozaZe
p
remieris~
kiTxvebs
kulturis
eqsministrma
nika ruruam
upasuxa:
_ mogesalmebiT, batono
nika, 48 saaTi dasWirda
ianukoviCs sakuTari
TavisTvis ganaCenis
gamosatanad. cotaTi
gaugebaria, risTvis
iwvala amdeni, Tu ase
cudad daasrulebda?
rogor fiqrobT, ra
iyo ukrainis aw ukve
yofili xelisufalis
motivacia, rodesac
adamianebs tyviiT
daupirispirda?
_ Znelia, gaugo diqtatorebs, romlebsac mxolod
SiSis sjeraT. da rodesac
maTdami SiSi qreba, isinic
qrebian _ am SemTxvevaSi
pirdapiri mniSvnelobiT.
ianukoviCi imaze suleli
gamodga, vidre movelodi,
radgan putinis rCevebs
daemorCila.
_ Cven xSirad gvesmoda,
rom kievSi wydeboda
nika rurua:
`samSoblos dasacavad Tavs mravali
aTasi qarTveli dadebs~
saqarTvelos momavali
da bevrad iyo
damokidebuli Cveni
xvalindeli dRe imaze,
Tu rogor
ganviTardeboda iq
movlenebi. amaze bevri
iwereboda, qveyndeboda
mosazrebebi, argumentebi,
magram faqtia, rom Cveni
moqalaqeebis arcTu
mcire nawils dResac ar
esmis _ ratom? da mainc,
ratom?
_ kievSi ara marto Cveni
demokratiuli momavlis,
aramed evropis bedic wydeboda. putinsa da ianukoviCs
rom Tavisi gaetanaT, evropis kavSiri da Crdilo-atlantikuri kavSiri sul sxva,
bevrad ususur gaerTianebebad gadaiqceodnen. CvenTan
xalxis 63% surs evropisa da
nato-s wevroba da es sulac
araa cota. Tumca am mimarTulebiT gamudmebiTaa samuSao, rom xalxs avuxsnaT,
rom ruseTTan urTierToba
ba: piradi gamorCena _ yvela
qarTveli ruseTumes gamaerTianebeli motivacia am mankier vnebaSia. garegnulad isini sxvadasxvanairad gamoiyurebian, Tu maTi gamaerTianebeli karikaturis daxatva ar gvsurs.
_ Cemma ukrainelma
kolegam kievSi
ganviTarebuli
movlenebisas aseTi ram
miTxra, _ erT mxares,
anu opoziciis,
aRmoCndnen adamianebi,
romlebsac SeeZloT
ideisTvis sikvdili,
xolo meore mxares
aseTi adamianebi ar
iyvnen, swored aman
ganapiroba maidanis
gamarjvebao. qarTveli
iunkrebi samSoblosa da
mxolod dasavleTTan integraciis Semdgom dalagdeba.
_ axla sakiTxi dgas ase
_ ukrainaSi
damarcxebuli ruseTi
javrs saqarTveloze
iyris. ras unda
velodoT?
_ ruseTs Cvens xelT arsebuli yvela instrumentiTa da
principulad unda gavuwioT
winaaRmdegoba. am SemTxvevaSi mas araferi gamouva.
_ ukrainaSi
ganviTarebulma
movlenebma kidev
erTxel dagvanaxa Cveni
sazogadoebisa da
politikuri speqtris
polarizacia.
privatizebuli Temebi da
privatizebuli politika.
xelisuflebis
warmomadgenlebi ar
dadiodnen ukrainis
mxardasaWer aqciebze
mxolod imitom, rom iq
`nacionalebis~ liderebi
iyvnen.
Tavis mxriv,
`nacionalebma~ sxvadasxva
damokidebuleba
gamoamJRavnes kievSi
daRupuli qarTvelebis
mimarT. ratom ar iyo
ukraina is Tema, romlis
irgvlivac sazogadoebasa
da politikur Zalebs
erTmniSvnelovani
damokidebuleba unda
hqonodaT?
_ imitom, rom dRevandeli mTavroba imarTeba Zalian
gaugebari loialobebis patroni adamianisgan _ biZina
ivaniSvilisgan, visac aqvs upirobo gavlena mmarTvel
koaliciaze, magram ara aqvs
politikuri pasuxismgeblo-
ba maT qmedebebze; es ki katastrofuli rezultatebisTvis `uebari~ receptia.
_ xelisuflebas aqvs
erTmniSvnelovani
pozicia _ daTvs,
vgulisxmob ruseTs,
babaia dauZaxos. axla,
rodesac qveyanaSi
TiToeuli Cvengani
ganicdis 94 wlis
winandel movlenebs da
pativs miagebs iunkrebs
da maTi saxiT
saqarTvelos
erTianobisTvis
daRupul gmirebs,
xelisuflebisgan
emociur donezec ki ar
igrZnoba, antisaokupacio
ganwyoba. protokolur
gvirgvinebsa da pativis
migebas ar vgulisxmob.
mokle istoriuli
mexsiereba ramdenad
uwyobs xels qveynis
ganviTarebas da Tu
gnebavT, prevenciuli _
evaze gadis. saWiroa ganmanaTlebeli
kampaniac,
romelsac permanentuli xasiaTi eqneba.
_ Cven xSirad gviWirs
sakuTari TavisTvis
Tvalis gasworeba,
rogorc ityvian,
sakuTari Tavis sarkeSi
danaxva. roca ar
SegiZlia daxato
avtoportreti, maSin
iqneb sxvis mier
daxatuli naxo sakuTari
Tavi. am konteqstSi
modiT, davxatoT im
adamianebis portreti,
romelTaTvisac mze
CrdiloeTidan amodis.
ra undaT maT, ra aris
maTi Rirebuleba, ras
ewinaaRmdegebian da
risTvis ibrZvian. anu
vin aris da rogor
gamoiyureba dRevandeli
qarTveli ruseTume?
_ egeTi adamianebis daxasiaTeba ori sityviT SeiZle-
Tavisuflebis ideisTvis
daiRupnen. gangebam
dagvifaros, magram, Tu
isev mogviwia
RirebulebiTi arCevanis
gakeTeba, rogor
fiqrobT, Tanamedrove
qarTveli, misi
politikuri Sexedulebis
miuxedavad, airCevs
ideisTvis sikvdils da
gaimarjvebs am brZolaSi
Tu piriqiT?
_ rogor SeiZleba sikvdilisTvis mzad iyos korumpirebuli xalxi?! isini mxolod
piradi gamorCenisTvis arseboben, da rodesac es saxifaTo xdeba, isini garbian. Tu
saWiro gaxda, samSoblos dasacavad Tavs mravali aTasi
qarTveli dadebs. amas sruli
pasuxismgeblobiT vambob. dRes
axalgazrdobas Zalian unda
normalur, Tavisufal saxelmwifoSi cxovreba da isini
saqarTvelos aravis Caabareben.
Tqven da me maT ricxvSi varT.
6
premieri
anka bazeraSvili
s
amudamopatimrobamisjili xviCa
yirmizaSvilis
advokati
natalia
wiklauri,
Tavisi dacvis qveS myof
yirmizaSvilTan erTad,
Tbilisis prokurors,
mixeil SayulaSvils
saqmis SeTiTxvnasa da
udanaSaulo adamianis
cixeSi gamoketvaSi
adanaSaulebs. qalbatoni
natalia `premiers~
eqskluziurad im
danaSaulis Sesaxeb
mouyva, romelsac
SayulaSvili
zedamxedvelobda.
udanaSaulod
dapatimrebul biWs
swored gamoZiebis
procesSi adendnen
sxeulidan sisxls
imisTvis, rom maTi
`Sekerili~ braldebebi
eRiarebina da
prokuraturis
xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
uvado patimrebi
vis daemuqra
Tbilisis prokurori
samudamo patimrobiT
saqme #.....
am saqmis zedamxedveli
prokurori gaxldaT
mixeil SayulaSvili, romelic dRes
Tbilisis prokuroria da mis
SeTiTxvnaSic, aqtiurad monawileobda.
`realur
brZolas
simarTlis
gasarkvevad
swored axla
viwyebT...~
gayalbebul bralze
xeli uproblemod
moewera.
natalia wiklauri:
_ xviCa yirmizaSvili
gldanis cixeSi, me-8 sapyrobileSi zis. igi axla 28 wlisaa, roca daakaves, 20 wlis
iyo. warmoSobiT mcxeTis
raionis sofeli muxranidanaa. xviCa 2004 welsac, aseve,
usamarTlod iyo dakavebuli
narkotikebis mixmarebisTvis.
maSin mas erTi weli miusajes.
2006 wlis 13 agvistos ki meored daakaves. amjerad brali yaCaRobisTvis, mkvlelobisTvis da qurdobisTvis
wauyenes. saqonlis ramdenime
epizodian
qurdobas
abralebdnen. braldebis
mixedviT yaCaRoba da ganzrax
mkvleloba damamZimebel
garemoebebSi moxda. mas aseve
brali dasdes iaraRis
ukanono SeZenaSi, Senaxvasa da
tarebaSi. mere yvelaferi
Seajames da samudamo patimroba gamouyvanes.
mkvleloba marTlac moxda mcxeTis raionSi. saqmis
masalebis mixedviT WalaSi
ramdenime azerbaijaneli
erovnebis daaxloebiT 6 adamiani qeifobda. isini ukve
wamosvlas apirebdnen, Tavs
rom daesxnen xviCa yirmizaSvili da giorgi qozaSvili.
mokles daviT novruzovi,
xolo levan bairamovi fexSi
msubuqad daiWra. TiTqos 18
tyvia isrola yirmizaSvilma
maTi mimarTulebiT da a.S.
novruzovi saavadmyofoSi
waiyvanes, magram ver gadaarCines da gardaicvala. saqmis
masalebidan isic Cans, rom
yirmizaSvili da qozaSvili
Walis gavliT midiodnen
saqonlis mosaparad da
amisTvis ratomRac kbilebamde SeiaraRebulebi iyvnen avtomatebiTa da niRbebiT. maT
dainaxes WalaSi moqeife
xalxi, gadawyvites, saqoneli
aRar moeparaT da es adamianebi daeyaCaRebinaT, rac
mere ganaxorcieleso. qozaSvilma nayaCaRari oqrouloba, savaraudod, xviCas gadasca da amiT aixsna misi biZis
saxlidan, zemo arcevidan
Semdgom am oqros nivTebis
amoRebac. sinamdvileSi ki, es
nivTebi qozaSvilma dakavebis wina dReebSi mihyida yirmizaSvils. xviCa mkvlelobisa
da dapatimrebis dRes am
sofelSi iyo da ara mcxeTis
raionSi.
#08 (025)
_ amtkicebT, rom xviCa
yirmizaSvili am
mkvlelobis monawile
ar aris?
_ mkvleloba moxda 2006
wlis 6 agvistos, saRamos
saaTebSi, xviCa ki am dros
imyofeboda zemo arcevSi da
amis mowmeebic arian. igi 13
agvistos daakaves arcevSi. am
dakavebas eswrebodnen Sida
qarTlis samxareo policiis,
mcxeTis samxareo policiisa
da cxinvalis miliciis TanamSromlebi, radgan es sofeli cxinvalis okupirebuli
teritoriis SemadgenlobaSi
Sedis. dakavebis operacia
SeTanxmebuli iyo cxinvalis
mxaresTan. maTi mxridan operacias eswreboda da xelmZRvanelobda cxinvalis
Sinagan saqmeTa maSindeli
ministri ninzaevi. es adamiani iyo garanti imisa, rom iq
Casuli qarTuli mxare problemebSi ar gaexveoda da dapatimrebas wesisa da rigis
mixedviT aRasrulebda. usafrTxod iyo SesaZlebeli
mowmeebis dakiTxva, dakavebis
oqmis Sedgena, Tumca es ase
ar gaakeTes. Semdeg, iqidan
Camosulma samarTaldamcavebma ganacxades, TiTqos
saxifaTo situaciaSi iyvnen
da droulad unda daetovebinaT teritoria. mokled
rom vTqvaT, ise daapatimres
yirmizaSvili, dakavebis oqmi
ar SeudgeniaT. samarTaldamcavebis mizezi, TiTqos safrTxis gamo ver gaakeTes es,
aris
tyuili,
radgan,
rogorc giTxariT, swored
maTi usafrTxoebisTvis imyofeboda iq cxinvalis Sss-s
maSindeli ministric. cxadia,
maT SeeZloT, mSvid garemoebaSi CaetarebinaT sagamoZiebo moqmedebebi, rac ar gaakeTes.
_ eWvobT, rom maT ar
awyobdaT mowmeebis
dakiTxva da simarTlis
dadgena?! ratom ar unda
ndomebodaT es?!
_ sanam kiTxvaze gipasuxebT, getyviT, rom amJamad
qozaSvili ukve Tavisufalia,
radgan mas 18 weli miusajes.
#08 (025)
premieri
xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
Tqves, rom gamoZiebasTan
iTanamSromla da amitom
moxda ase. yirmizaSvili ki
dRemde amtkicebs, rom udanaSauloa da iTxovs saqmis
realur Seswavlas. qozaSvilis gamoZiebasTan TanamSromlobisas man Tqva, CemTan
erTad imyofeboda yirmizaSvili, erTad davgegmeT yvelaferi da ganvaxorcieleTo. erT saintereso detals
getyviT, roca yirmizaSvili
daakaves da manqanaSi Casves,
qarTulma mxarem ninzaevs
qaRaldis raRac Sekvra gadasca. savaraudod, es iyo
fuli. Semdgom, manqanaSi,
yirmizaSvils uTxra kidec
erT-erTma TanamSromelma, _
Seni dakaveba 5 aTasi dolari dagvijdao.
xviCas dakaveba imitom iyo
saWiro, rom mcxeTis raionis
sagamoZiebo organoebisTvis
safrTxes warmoadgenda da
maT ar awyobdaT, rom is gareT yofiliyo. Tavidan misi
siZe hyavdaT dakavebuli da
amis gamo mas policielebTan seriozuli uTanxmoeba da
Selaparakeba mouxda. cxadia,
igi aiTvalwunes da mixvdnen,
rom ar gaCerdeboda maT usamarTlobebze, rac misi siZis
mimarT Caidines. bolomde mihyveboda maT, ris Semdegac
ukve Tavad gauSves cixeSi.
rogorc giTxariT, pirvelad
yirmizaSvili 2004 wels
daakaves da maSin narkotiki
Caudes. roca erTi wlis mere
gamouSves, xviCam kidev
uTxraT, am yvelafers ase ar
davtoveb da Sesabamisad vimoqmedebo, amas mohyva
ukve is ambebi, rac giTxariT.
rom yirmizaSvili masTan
erTad iyo, magram sasamarTloze uaryo da ganacxada,
rom masTan erTad ar yofila, yirmizaSvils aranairi
danaSauli ar Caudenia,
CemTan erTad sul sxva
pirovneba imyofebodao.
Tumca man arc amjerad ar
daasaxela, vin iyo masTan.
indel ministr merabiSvils,
generalur prokuror adeiSvils maSin gaugzavna werili,
sadac ambobda, rom mcxeTis
sagamoZiebo samsaxuris mier
araobieqturad da arasa-
am saqmis zedamxedveli
prokurori gaxldaT mcxeTis
maSindeli prokurori mixeil SayulaSvili, romelic
dRes
qalaq
Tbilisis
prokuroria. igi zedamxed-
_ qozaSvilTan
realurad myofi
pirovnebis dasaxelebas
ratom eridebian, ver
vigeb, vinme `Ciniania~?!
_ rogorc amboben, is aris
Cveulebrivi, rigiTi moqalaqe. ratom ar asaxeleben,
amas mec ver getyviT. ise ganTavisuflda patimrobidan
qozaSvili, ar Tqva misi vinaoba. citirebasac movaxden
qozaSvilis sasamarTlo sxdomis Cvenebidan: `gamomZiebelma godeliZem miTxra,
rom dakavebuli hyavdaT
xviCa yirmizaSvili da Tu
xels davadebdi, saproceso
SeTanxmebas gamiformebdnen
da gamiSvebdnen. ar momTxovdnen Cemi namdvili Tanamzraxvelis dasaxelebaso~.
miuxedavad aseTi ganacxadisa, mainc aravin dainteresebula, vin iyo is pirovneba,
vinc am mkvlelobis dros
qozaSvilTan erTad imyofeboda da monawileobda danaSaulSi. aqedanac Cans, gamoZiebis mTavari mizani iyo is,
rom yirmizaSvili cixeSi
CaesvaT. rogorc vici, Tavad
xviCamac ar icis, vin imyofeboda qozaSvilTan erTad
mkvlelobis dRes.
_ rogorc Sexvedris
dros miTxariT,
saadvokato gamoZieba
CaatareT. axali ra
gaarkvieT?
_ Sevxvdi dazaralebulsa
da ramdenime mowmes, Tumca
sagamoZiebo moqmedebebi amiT
ar dagvisrulebia. Zalian
male bevr bundovan sakiTxs
movfenT naTels. daaxloebiT
ukve isic aris CvenTvis cnobili, vin imyofeboda yirmizaSvilis gverdiT, Tumca
kidev erTi saintereso detali ikveTeba saqmidan. mokluli daviT novruzovis mamam,
Tamaz novruzovma Sss-s maS-
rogorc vici, mas is reaqcia
ar hqonia, rac maT undodaT.
igi dRemde acxadebs, rom
udanaSauloa. Sewyalebaze
masTanac iyvnen Sesulebi, magram uari ganacxada. ambobs,
Sewyalebaze ganacxadi rom
gamekeTebina, es danaSaulis
aRiareba iqneboda. me ar Camidenia es, araferi damiSavebia, damnaSave ar var da simarTlis damtkicebas, adre Tu
gvian, unda mivaRwioo. am saqmis xelaxal gamoZiebas iTxovs, simarTle rom dadgindes. aseve iTxovs, is pirebi, romlebic am saqmis gayalbebas xelmZRvanelobdnen
da maTi uSualo TanamonawileobiT xdeboda es yvelaferi, daisajon. maT Soris
iTxovs dRevandeli qalaqis
prokuroris dasjas.
_ SayulaSvilma icoda,
rom xviCa udanaSaulo
iyo, am sisxlian saqmeSi
sxva iyo gareuli da
miuxedavad amisa, mainc
ase moiqca?
marTlianad mimdinareobda
misi Svilis mkvlelobis gamoZieba. igi ar endoboda Sesabamis struqturas da iTxovda, saqme gamosaZieblad
qalaqis sammarTvelos, an
generalur prokuraturas
gadascemoda. Tamaz novruzovi acxadebs, rom misi
Svili ar aris mokluli
yirmizaSvilis mier da is misi
Svilis Tanmxlebma pirebma
gamoasalmes sicocxles.
_ Tu xviCa
yirmizaSvili ar
imyofeboda
mkvlelobis adgilze,
maSin gamodis, rom
qozaSvils
Tanamzraxveli ar
yolia, xom?!
_ qozaSvilTan erTad
imyofeboda sxva pirovneba, romelsac ar asaxeleben, Tumca Tavad gamoZieba amis garkveviT arc
dainteresebula. yirmizaSvilis dakavebis Semdeg
moxda qozaSvilis dakaveba. Tavad qozaSvili ambobs dakiTxvis dros, rac
sasamarTlo sxdomis oqmSic aris dafiqsirebuli,
rom gamomZiebelma uTxra,
_ aRiare, rom xviCa iyo
SenTan erTad. is Tavad ar
malavs amas da ambobs, rom
erToblivad CaidineT danaSauli da sjobs, Senc aRiaro, Tumca ar mogTxov im
realuri pirovnebis dasaxelebas, vinc namdvilad iyo
SenTano. anu iribad da
pirdapir eubneboda, yirmizaSvils daabrale danaSaulio. es gamomZiebeli gaxldaT giorgi goderiZe. sasamarTlo oqmSic dafiqsirebulia es sityvebi. qozaSvilma sasamarTlozec ganacxada,
aseTi ram miTxra gamomZiebelma da amitom vTqvi mec
aseo. qozaSvilma marTalia,
winaswar gamoZiebaSi aRiara,
cinikurad gaicina da yvela
misi naTqvami goderiZem bairamovsa da danarCenebs Caurakrakao. uTxraT, mamamisi
xels Tqven gadebTo. ase rom,
bairamovmac icis, rom ojaxs
7
konkretulad ki xels adebda levan bairamovs. es werili saqmis masalebSic devs
da Tqvenc gadmogcemT. igi
aseve acxadebs, gamomZiebelsac vuTxari, rom aseTi eWvi
mqonda, magram is amaze reagirebas ar axdenso. Tamaz
novruzovi ar asaxelebs, ratom gauCnda aseTi eWvi, Tumca, rogorc vici, misi TqmiT,
novruzovi saxlidan swored
bairamovma da im adamianebma
gaiyvanes. mokluli novruzovis mama imasac acxadebs,
roca es yvelaferi gamomZiebels uTxra, magram man
masze aqvs eWvi.
_ sakmaod CaxlarTuli
situaciaa. Tqveni da
gardacvlilis ojaxis
wevrebis eWvebi
erTmaneTs emTxveva?
_ novruzovis mama ambobs,
rom xviCa mkvlelobis dros
iq ar yofila. sxvaTa Soris,
saqonlis is qurdobebi,
romelic daabrales, rom
TiTqos erTad Caidines qozaSvilma da yirmizaSvilma,
aris tyuili. rogorc
irkveva, yirmizaSvilma
qozaSvili 2006 wlis ivlisis bolos gaicno,
qurdobebi ki manamdea
Cadenili da cxadia, mas
erTad ver Caidendnen. is
dazaralebulebic,
romelTa saqonelic aris
moparuli, ver adastureben yirmizaSvilis iq
yofnas. mis mimarT aranairi mtkicebuleba ar arsebobs arc qurdobaze da
arc kidev yaCaRoba-mkvlelobaze, magram is
mainc samudamo patimrobiT zis cixeSi. metsac
getyviT, Zalze mniSvnelovani alibi arsebobs, rac gamoZiebas da
sasamarTlos ratomRac
ar gauTvaliswinebia. im
dRes roca mkvleloba
moxda, yirmizaSvili iyo
sofel zemo arcevSi da
mezobels exmareboda SeSis tyidan wamoRebaSi. daaxloebiT saRamos 7 saaTisTvis
isini gaaCera policiam da
SeSa saxlSi ar gaatanaT. is
policiis SenobaSi miatanines
da daaclevines. amis mowmeebi, cxadia, arian. mkvleloba
moxda daaxloebiT saRamos 9
saaTisTvis, 6-7 saaTisTvis ki,
rogorc giTxariT, xviCa
policiis ezoSi am SeSas
clida. minimum ori saaTi
sWirdeba zemo arcevidan im
adgilze misvlas, sadac mkvleloba moxda. aqedanac Cans,
rom xviCa udanaSauloa da
sruliad tyuilad zis.
velobda am saqmes da mis SeTiTxvnaSic, ra Tqma unda, aqtiurad
monawileobda.
xviCasTan cixeSi Sesulebi
iyvnen miSa SayulaSvili da
gamomZiebeli. SayulaSvili
mas daemuqra kidec: kaci ar
viyo, Tu samudamo ar mogceo. is gabrazebuli iyo imis
gamo, rom verc gamoZiebaSi
da verc Semdgom, is ver aiZules, eRiarebina, rac ar
Caudenia.
_ masze fizikuri da
fsiqologiuri
zewolebi iyo? aRiareba
rom moepovebinaT, xom
ar scemdnen?
_ diax, sanam samudamos
miusjidnen, masze yvelanairi
zewola ganxorcielda. am
zewolebis gamo gamoZiebac
ki aris dawyebuli. mas aseTi
zewoliT aiZulebdnen, eRiarebina, rom im dRes mkvlelobis adgilze imyofeboda da daviT novruzovi mokla. masze fizikuri zewolebis Sesaxeb, cxadia, misma
zedamxedvelma prokurormac
icoda. roca xviCa cixeSi
aseTi dazianebebiT iyo, erTerTma iq momuSave pirovnebam
Seadgina oqmi da uTxra, rom
masze xeli unda moewera.
oqmSi detalebSi ki iyo aRwerili misi dazianebebi, magram iqve ewera, rom is gadmovarda sawolidan da jer
erTi mxridan miiRo dazianeba, mere meore mxridan, rac
aris absurdi. yirmizaSvilma
xeli moawera am oqms imitom,
rom, rogorc mere gviTxra,
amas Tu ar gaakeTebda, meore
dRes sakanSi Camokidebuls
ipovidnen.
_ anu qalaqis amJamindel
prokurors braldebas
uyenebT?!
_ diax, asea. misis uSualo
xelmZRvanelobiT moxda yvelaferi xviCa yirmizaSvilis
Tavs. qozaSvili da yirmizaSvili cixeSi Seaxvedres erTmaneTs. etyoba, ainteresebdaT xviCas reaqcia, magram,
_ diax, yvelam, vinc am
saqmeSi iyo CarTuli, icoda,
sinamdvileSi ra moxda. bevri gaurkveveli da bundovani
detalia saqmeSi. sasamarTlo
sxdomis oqmSic bevri darRvevaa. saqmes ixilavda mcxeTis mosamarTle gela qiria.
murman aivazovic, romelic
im dros iq imyofeboda da
dazaralebulis saxiT aris
cnobili, ambobs, rom, roca
xviCa
mas
amosacnobad
warudgines, xeli ver daado.
misi TqmiT, aseTi pirovneba
iq ar daunaxavs da tyuilad
ver davabralebdio. zogi
ambobs, rom xviCa yirmizaSvils hqonda `priviCka~ da
mxrebs ukan wevda xolme
drodadro. sinamdvileSi
xviCas aseTi `priviCka~ namdvilad ar aqvs da vis aqvs es,
gamoZiebam unda gaarkvios.
_ aqamde es saqme arsad
gagisaCivrebiaT? an axla
rogor apirebT
simarTlis garkvevas,
roca saqmis
zedamxedveli
prokurori, romelsac
gayalbebas edavebiT,
qalaqis prokurorad
aris dawinaurebuli?
_ xviCam yvela instanciaSi gaasaCivra es saqme, magram
uSedegod.
is
yvelgan
iblokeboda.
adamians,
romelic saqmis aseT SeTiTxvnas xelmZRvanelobda, araTu
maRal Tanamdebobaze, aseT
struqturaSi saerTod ar
unda emuSava. xviCa, periodulad, roca am saqmes asaCivrebda, mis brals gansakuTrebulad usvamda xazs.
miuxedavad amisa, rom axal
xelisuflebas es sakiTxi
wamoewia, ganexila da damnaSaveebi daesaja, SayulaSvili
daawinaures. Tumca realur
brZolas simarTlis gasarkvevad swored axla viwyebT. amis
Sesaxeb pirvel da eqskluziur gancxadebas “premierSi”
vakeTebT. mere ki yvelafers
gavakeTebT, yvela is adamiani rom daisajos, vinc udanaSaulo axalgazrda cixeSi
samudamod gamoketa.
8
premieri
eka gulua
iagnozi hidrocefalia,
12-jer
naoperacievi,
Tavze
Sunturebuli,
Suntirebis
aparatze mijaWvuli,
romelic `mawanwala
cxovrebisa~ da
aranormaluri
pirobebis gamo xSirad
fuWdeba... operacia
operacias mosdevs.
saxli - ara; higiena ara; srulyofili
mkurnaloba - ara;
reabilitacia - ara;
srulyofili kveba ara; medikamentebi xan
aqvs, xanac - ara. es 3
wlisa da 6 Tvis luka
maRlakeliZis
amJamindeli
mdgomareobaa. pirveli
operacia dabadebidan 1
saaTSi dasWirda. mas
Semdeg operacias
weliwadSi ramdenjerme
ukeTeben.
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daiwyeT da me ar damirekeT
xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
Jurnalisturi mokvleva
devnili, socialurad daucveli,
12-jer naoperacievi lukas deda
TviTmkvlelobiT imuqreba
`saministro 100%-ian
garantias maZlevda,
rom binas miviRebdi,
magram isev quCaSi
dagvtoves~
gigans ekuTvnis, romelic man
saqarTvelos okupirebuli
teritoriebidan iZulebiT
gadaadgilebul pirTa, gansaxlebisa da ltolvilTa
saministros gaugzavna. am
ineza gigani:
`devnilobasTan erTad,
socialurad daucvelis statusic maqvs. ukidures
gaWirvebaSi vcxovrobT...
wlebia, moTminebiT velodeb-
tris moadgilesac Sevxvdi,
departamentis ufrossac.
Cemi mdgomareobis Sesaxeb
yvelam icoda. 100-procentian garantias maZlevdnen,
rom binis mimRebTa siaSi
pirveli viqnebodi~.
_ qalbatono ineza,
Zalian mZime
mdgomareoba gaqvT,
gasagebia, Tumca
saministro binis
miRebis garantias ver
mogcemdaT, radgan binis
ganawileba im qulebzea
damokidebuli, romelsac
devnili anketaSi
dafiqsirebuli, misi
mdgomareobidan
gamomdinare
moxdeba, siaSi pirveli
iqnebiTo. mas piradad
Sevxvdi da
ministrisTvis werilic
ki davutove,
aucileblad gadavcemo.
maSin fexmZimed viyavi.
ase wanwal-wanwalSi 4
Tvis mucelic
momeSala.
`
saswaulad velodebodi
binis ganawilebas. dReebs
viTvlidi, vgegmavdi, bavSvis
oTaxi rogori unda yofiliyo, misi gamojanmrTelebis
imedi momeca, vfiqrobdi,
normalur garemoSi meyole-
#08 (025)
werili, romelic ineza
giganma saministrosa da
aseve, sxvebs gaugzavna,
swored im saRamos dawera,
roca binis ganawilebis Sesaxeb sainformacio saSualebebidan gaigo. is, rogorc werilSi werda, meore dRes
saministroSi ver mivida. imitom, rom bavSvi isev cudad
gauxda. krunCxvebSi Cauvarda.
isev ineza gigani:
`invalidi bavSvis deda
isev quCaSi damtoves. daavadebas ver vumklavdebiT...~
lukas, Tavze pirveli operacia Tve-naxevrisas Cautarda. amonaridi eqimebis
daskvnidan: `1,5 Tvis asakSi
Cautarda parkuWovani sistemis gareSuntireba ventrikulitis gamo marcxena mxares.
sami Tvis asakSi vps marjvena
mxares. xolo 13.01.11 w. Suntis inevizi, kurope nitanealuri Suntireba kistis
gamo. neirosonoskopiis kvlebiT vlindeba warmonaqmni
marjvena parkuWi 32-33 mm. mizanSewonilia meTvalyureoba
dinamikaSi...~
`
gadatanili
daavadebebi:
`axalSobilTa sefsisi,
ventinikuliti, Wiplaris
Tandayolili
Tiaqari...~ `...fsiqomotorul ganviTarebaSi
CamorCena. 3 kviris
asakSi meningiti...~
`...daibada
gastroSizisiT,
Cautarda
neiroqirurgiuli
operacia. amis Semdeg
bavSvs 5-jer Cautarda
neiroqirurgiuli
operacia...~ `...Tavs ver
iWers, ver dgeba, ver
Wams, ver laparakobs.
mxedveloba
daqveiTebuli aqvs...
`
xoo? Tqven ar iciT, amiT
ramxela dartyma momayeneT.
xvalidan SimSilobas daviwyeb saministros win, Cemi
avadmyofi SviliT... sicxiani
bavSviT davjdebi saministros win... Tavs moviklav
bavSvebTan erTad... ra saqcielia es... iseTi gaRizianebuli var, sikvdilis meti
araferi minda... mTeli
saqarTvelo gaigebs Cems ambavs, Cemi invalidi SviliT
daviwvav Tavs saministros
win. Tqven kargi laparaki ar
gixdebaT Turme. Tqvens qebaSi amomxda suli da Tqven ra
gamikeTeT. dRevandeli dRe
gadamataninos RmerTma da
xval me vici, rasac vizam...
megona, adamianebi movidnen
saTaveSi da gveSvela, Tqven
kidev vin yofilxarT...~ _ es
werili 3 wlisa da 6 Tvis
lukas dedas, 24 wlis ineza
`wanwan-wanwalSi vatarebT
cxovrebas. swored araadamianuri pirobebidan gamomdinare dasWirda amdeni operacia. samwlinaxevris bavSvs mTeli dRe wola uwevs,
`kaliaskac~ ki ar maqvs... inhalatoric
gvWirdeba,
sunTqvis problemebic dagvemata, magram yuradRebas
aravin gvaqcevs~, _ ambobs respondenti.
werilma socialuri qseliT
araerTi adresati moiara.
qalbatoni
ineza
afxazeTidan devnilia. socialurad daucvelic.
werilis
erT-erTi
adresati
mec
gavxdi,
rogorc saministros yofili TanamSromeli. mis gamogzavnil werils vupasuxe.
gaukvirda, rom adamianuri
gamoxmaureba miiRo. dialogSi
Semovida.
marTali
giTxraT, `iseTi~ araferi
mimiweria, ubralod, mis
mdgomareobaSi Sevedi. `ar
velodi, rom vinme gamomexmaurebodao~. madlobebi ixada... SevxvdeTo da SevxvdiT
kidec.
_ rogorc socialurad
daucvels, polisi ar
gexmarebaT?
daagrovebs...
iT, rom Cveni droc dadgeba
da mogvxedaven. sanam devnilebisTvis Temqaze binebis
ganawileba moxdeboda, mivedi, specialuri anketa
Sevavse. devnilTa saministroSi Sexvedrebic mqonda. minis-
`
_ dampirdnen,
ministris moadgile
dampirda, Tqven iseTi
mdgomareoba gaqvT,
binis ganawileba rom
ba, higienasac davicav, kargad mivxedav da Cveni mdgomareoba ukeTesobisken wavameTqi. magram, saministrodan
gavige, rom binebi ukve
gaunawilebiaT da me ise damtoves.
Jurnalisturi mokvleva
_ polisiT gavikeTeT 12jer operacia. Cveni SesaZleblobebiT erT operaciasac
ver davafinansebdiT. magram,
amas garda, Zalian bevri ram
gvWirdeba. faqtobrivad, saavadmyofoSi gavizardeT.
`
bavSvs reabilitacia
sWirdeba, magram
ufinansobis gamo ver
viwyebT, umoZraobis
gamo kuW-nawlavis
problemebic dagvemata,
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premieri
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` Jurnalisturi mokvleva
magram ver
vmkurnalobT.
_ bavSvs 12 operacia
ratom dasWirda,
problemebiT daibada?
_ bavSvi gastroSizisiT
(Ria mucliT) daibada. es
didi problema ar aris.
pirveli operacia dabade-
saxlebisa da ltolvilTa
saministros mxridan sacxovrebeli binebis ganawilebis proceduras, aRniSnuli
xdeba specialuri kriteriumebis Sesabamisad. ivseba spe-
jgufis invalidi _ 2 qula;
cxovrobs qiriT _ 1 qula;
xSirad icvlis sacxovrebel
misamarTs _ 1 qula. Temqis
obieqtze ganacxadebis ganxilvisas 90 ojaxs mieniWa 7
bidan erT saaTSi gaukeTda.
Semdeg,
saavadmyofos
pirobebSi axalSobilTa
sefsisi Sexvda, Semdeg stafilokoki, Semdeg meningiti, romelmac es daavadeba
dautova.
oCamCiridan devnili ineza gigani, rogorc Tavad
ambobs, gldanSi qiriT cxovrobda, Tumca, qira rom
ver gadaixada, sacxovrebeli daatovebines. hyavs
aradevnili meuRle, romelic amJamad umuSevaria. maT
meore Svilic hyavT. baRSi
ver
dadis,
radgan
gldanidan gamosaxlebis Semdeg vazianis samxedro dasaxlebaSi Casaxlebul mSoblebs
Seekedlnen, ambobs, rom vazianidan, gldanSi bavSvis
tareba warmoudgenelia, vazianis sabavSvo baRSi ki adgilebi ar aris.
`luka
xel-fexs
amoZravebs, magram ver jdeba, ver laparakobs, ver ReWavs. sul antibiotikebze
varT.
`
12 operaciac imitom
dasWirda, rom
pirobebi ar gvaqvs.
aparati, rac TavSi aqvs
Cadgmuli, xSirad
ufuWdeba. bavSvi xan
civdeba, xan virusi
emarTeba
`
_ ambobs ineza.
devnilTa
saministros uaris
mizezi
rac Seexeba okupirebuli
teritoriebidan iZulebiT
gadaadgilebul pirTa, gan-
cialuri anketa, sadac devnili afiqsirebs yvela informacias, rac mis realur
mdgomareobas asaxavs. es yvelaferi fasdeba qulebiT.
pirvel etapze ki is ojaxi
kmayofildeba, romelic yvelaze maRal qulas miiRebs.
ineza giganis sabinao problemasTan dakavSirebiT informacia okupirebuli teritoriebidan iZulebiT gadaadgilebul pirTa, gansaxlebisa da ltolvilTa
saministroSic gadavamowmeT.
saministroSi dagvidastures,
rom ineza giganma binis misaRebad saWiro procedurebi
gaiara, Seavso anketa, mieniWa
7 qula, Tumca am etapze mas
sacxovrebeli bina ar gadaeca.
`ineza giganma sacxovrebeli farTis misaRebad ganacxadi or SvilTan da aradevnil meuRlesTan erTad gaakeTa. ganacxadi Sesabamisma
komisiam ganixila da mieniWa
7 qula. socialurad daucveli _ 3 qula; Svili hyavs I
moben, me da Cems meuRles
mamamTilTan urTierToba ar
gvaqvs. is farTi, rasac saministro `cru informacias~
uwodebs, aris mamamTilis,
romelic ipoTekiT hqonda
datvirTuli, Semdeg ki dagiravebulia da sxva cxovrobs. mas Cems ojaxTan
aranairi kavSiri ar aqvs. me
var devnili da maqvs Cemi
ojaxi. Tu mamamTils raRac
ufiqsirdeba, me da Cemma
Svilebma amaze pasuxi unda
vagoT da amis gamo unda
davisajoT? meorec, Cems
meuRlesTan oficialur
qorwinebaSi
arc
var.
tyuilebi da cru informaciis miwodeba rom mdomoda, saerTod ar Cavwerdi,
rom myavs meuRle. radgan
tyuilis gziT ar wavedi,
realoba davafiqsire da Cemi
mdgomareoba aRvwere, Sedegad es mekuTvnis?~ _ kiTxulobs gigani.
rogorc gavarkvieT, wlebis winaT am ojaxs yofilma
xelisuflebam sacxovrebeli
farTi
gamouyo.
isnis
samxedro hospitalSi cx-
ovrobdnen. marTalia, hospitalSi cxovreba ramdenad
SesaZlebelia da ra pirobebi
hqondaT, calke problemaa,
magram mainc kmayofilebi
iyvnen, rom TavSesafari hqondaT, Tumca, arc am SemTxvevaSi gaumarTlaT. hospitalSi
mxolod 6 Tve icxovres, Semdeg
is
TavSesafaric
waarTves.
`bavSvi cudad gaxda da
saavadmyofoSi viweqiT 2 kvira. mere reabilitaciisTvis
mSoblebTan wavediT cota
xans, radgan hospitalis SenobaSi bavSvs ver mivxedavdi.
iq pirobebi ar iyo. roca
hospitalSi davbrundiT, binaSi sxva iyos Sesaxlebuli,
Cveni nivTebi ki gareT gamogviyares. es yvelaferi
imiT agvixsnes, rom iq ar
cxovrobdiT da ese igi, ar
gWirdebodaTo. ar vici, ra
gavakeTo, vis mivmarTo...~ _
ambobs ineza.
qula, aqedan komisiam 11
ojaxi SearCia. ineza gigans
ar mieniWa upiratesoba,
radgan man komisias SemosavlebTan dakavSirebiT cru
informacia miawoda. aseve,
ineza giganis meuRlis
mSoblebs
sakuTrebaSi
ufiqsirdebaT, giorgiwminda aRmaSeneblis #33a-Si,
sacxovrebeli saxli. ineza
giganis qulaTa raodenobis
Sesaxeb informacia, ganacxadSi
miTiTebul misamarTze, ukve gagzavnilia~,
_ es gaxlavT saministros
mier mowodebuli oficialuri informacia.
rogorc ineza gigani
acxadebs, misTvis gaugebaria da arc aravis auxsnia,
ras niSnavs `cru informacia~. saministroSi ki sityvieradac gangvimartes,
rom mas hyavs meuRle,
romelsac sakuTrebSi aqvs
bina.
`es
tyuilia,
Cems
meuRles aranairi bina ar
aqvs. Tu mamamTils gulisx-
Jurnalisturi mokvleva
9
lukas mkurnalobasTan
erTad, mniSvnelovania sabinao sakiTxis mogvarebac,
radgan es ori problema
erTmaneTTanaa gadajaWvuli.
mas ar aqvs reabilitaciisTvis saWiro pirobebi.
rogorc ineza gigani acxadebs, misTvis mniSvneloba ar
aqvs,
sad
icxovrebs,
sofelzec Tanaxmaa, rom ara
erTi mizezi:
`
`luka xSirad
krunCxvebSi vardeba.
vazianSi, sanam saswrafo
movidoda, orjer
gaiTiSa.
`
Cven lilomde movaswariT
Cayvana, saswrafoc lilos
dasaxlebaSi movida. klinikasTan varT mijaWvuli. nebismier adgilas vicxovrebT,
magram bavSvis gamo sofelSi
ver mivdivarT. luka 4 wlis
xdeba da 9 kiloa~.
lukas samedicino furclebi, receptebi, eqimis
daniSnulebebi, gamokvlevebi
aTeulobiT gverds iTvlis.
yvela furceli iwyeba sityvebiT:
`Cautarda...~
`daudginda~... `sWirdeba~...
ojaxisTvis yvelaze mtkivneuli ki eqimis daskvnis swored
is nawilia, sadac saubaria, ra
sWirdeba bavSvs, radgan
winaswar ician, rom eqimis
daniSnulebas ver Seasruleben. ician isic, rom medikamentebs mxolod maSin iyidian, roca saSualeba eqnebaT,
an ramdenime dRis samyofs
iyidian da Semdeg mkurnalobas Sewyveten.
aRniSnul istoriasTan
dakavSirebiT saqarTvelos
saxalxo damcvelis aparatsac davukavSirdiT. rogorc
saxalxo damcvelis moadgilem paata belTaZem gviTxra,
devnilebisTvis binis ganawilebis monitoringi gaZlierdeba: `Zalian mZime istoriaa. saxalxo damcvelis
aparatSi msgavsi saxis gancxadebebi Semodis. ojaxma,
konkretul istoriasTan
dakavSirebiT werilobiT
unda mogvmarTos. mis sakiTxs
specialistebi Seiswavlian
da rac SegviZlia, maqsimalurad CaverTvebiT ojaxis
problemis mogvarebaSi. saxalxo damcvelis aparati
apirebs, devnilebisTvis
binebis ganawilebis sakiTxze
monitoringi gaaZlieros da
ufro meti doziT CaerTos
monitoringisa
da
samarTlianobis kuTxiT~.
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#08 (025)
`saqarTvelos ruseTis guberniad gadaqcevis saSiSroeba
namdvilad arsebobs, vidre saqarTvelos mTavroba
agrZelebs dRevandel politikas mis mimarT~
usaTuod gavimarjvebT, magram es TavisTavad ar moxdeba. Cveni momavali Cvenzea
damokidebuli. nuravis imedi
nu gveqneba da nurc Crdiloeli urCxulis SegveSindeba.
xom gaxsovT, daviTma goliaTi daamarcxa.
xaTuna xatiaSvili
u
krainaSi
ganviTarebulma
movlenebma
qarTvel
sazogadoebaSi
ori
urTierTsapirispiro
ganwyoba Seqmna,
romelTagan erTi
metismetad
optimisturia: ruseTi
ukve iSleba, putinis
dasasruli moaxlovda
da `saqarTvelo
gabrwyindeba~. meore ki
momavalze savsebiT
xelCaqneuli da
pesimisturia: Cven
aRaraferi gveSveleba,
ruseTma ukve dagvipyro,
Cven ukve ruseTis
gubernia varT da ase
Semdeg.
analitikosTa erTi nawili, maT Soris, indianas Statis universitetis profesori dodona kiziria miiCnevs, rom orive ukiduresoba
erTnairad sazianoa: `gmir
ukrainelebs gamarjvebas vusurveb, magram didi dartymis miuxedavad, am gamarjvebas uaxloes xanSi arc ruseTis daSla mohyveba da arc
putinis
dasasruli.
rasakvirvelia, adre Tu gvian, es moxdeba, magram erTiori weli kidev aqvT, Tu meti
ara da am xnis ganmavlobaSi
kremli Seecdeba, revanSi
aiRos. Tu ukraina, RmerTma
nu qnas da, damarcxda, es
putins ufro metad daarwmunebs imaSi, rom saqarTvelos gacilebiT advilad gadaylapavs. gansakuTrebiT
maSin, roca mas aq aseTi
mravalricxovani da aqtiuri
mexuTe kolona hyavs da
mTavrobac umTavresad misi
mona-morCilia. pesimisturi
ganwyoba ki aranakleb damRupvelia, vidre gadametebuli optimizmi. es uaRresad
damakninebeli da momadunebeli ram aris. cota xnis win
socialuri qseliT gavrcelda erTi nacistur-koncentraciul jojoxeTs gadarCenili fsiqologis analizi
im meTodebisa, romliTac
patimrebi sikvdilis piramde
mihyavdaT. erT-erTi maTgani
iyo adamianebSi uimedobisa
da sasowarkveTis gaCena _
Tqven araferi giSveliT,
Tqveni bedi gadawyvetilia.
swored am STagonebis uaryofa da misi winaaRmdegoba
exmareboda patimrebs, cocxlebi darCeniliyvnen. Cven
_ Zalian sainteresoa
Tqveni Sefaseba ukrainis
movlenebTan da am
movlenebis
araerTgvarovan
midgomebTan
dakavSirebiT. ra
mizezebma ganapiroba is,
rom saqarTveloSi
ruseTis guberniad
gadaqcevis saSiSroebaze
alaparakdnen?
dodona kiziria:
`ruseTma, SesaZloa, kbilebis kraWuniT daTmos
ukraina da saqarTveloze aiRos revanSi~
_ saqarTvelos ruseTis
guberniad gadaqcevis saSiSroeba namdvilad arsebobs,
vidre saqarTvelos mTavroba agrZelebs dRevandel
politikas mis mimarT _ ruseTis yvela agresiaze gaCumeba, lamis afxazeTisa da
samxreT oseTis damoukideblobis aRiareba, ukrainis
movlenebisadmi neitraluri
pozicia da sxva amgvari. magram saSiSroeba da gardauvaloba erTi da igive ar
aris.
_ iqneb, daasaxeloT
Tqveni argumentebi
ukrainis tragikuli
movlenebis namdvil
mizezebTan dakavSirebiT.
fiqrobT, rom amxela
msxverplis fasi
mxolod prorusuli
orientaciis prezidentis
gadayeneba iyo da
ukrainam ukve gaimarjva?
`ruseTSi, adre Tu gvian, moxdeba
damangreveli socialuri afeTqeba~
jerjerobiT
gacilebiT
ukeTes mdgomareobaSi varT
da imedis dakargva samarcxvinoa~.
gazeTi `premieri~ profesor dodona kizirias
amerikaSi daukavSirda da
ramdenime SekiTxviT mimarTa:
_ am ori ganwyobisgan
Tavis arideba usaTuod gv-
marTebs. Cveni gamarjveba
SesaZlebelia, magram mxolod Cvenive SemarTebis
Sedegad. amaze ukve davwere,
magram gavimeoreb: yvelanairi winaaRmdegoba ruseTis
propagandas, aqtiuroba ruseTTan gaerTianebaze uaris
gamosaxatavad yvelanairi
misaRebi formiT, magram
araviTari agresia! es sababs
miscems Cvens mTavrobas, dax-
marebisTvis ruseTs mimarTos
da putinsac es unda.
mTavrobam unda igrZnos, rom
xalxis survilia evrokavSiris wevroba. arc iseTi
gulubryvilo var, vifiqro,
rom isini xalxis survils
daakmayofileben, magram
unda igrZnon, rom amaze uari
Zvirad daujdebaT. Zalian
mixaria Cveni axalgazrdobis
da ara marto maTi aqtiuro-
ba: saprotesto aqciebi
ukrainis mxardasaWerad, quCis performansebi da telegamosvlebi. jerjerobiT es
yvelaferi didi masStabiT ar
xdeba, magram imedi maqvs,
TandaTanobiT imatebs. pasionarebi yovelTvis mosaxleobis mcire nawils Seadgenen, magram isini arian istoriis mamoZravebeli Zala.
Cven unda gavimarjvoT, Cven
_ ukrainas surs, airCios
civilizebuli da demokratiuli ganviTarebis gza.
ianukoviCis gadayeneba iyo
pirdapiri signali putinisTvis, rom ukrainas ar surs,
darCes ruseTis satelitad,
radgan am SemTxvevaSi mas
elis
politikuri,
ekonomikuri da kulturuli
katastrofa. am safrTxis
acilebisTvis Rirda msxverplis gaReba, magram gamarjvebamde jer didi manZilia. vityodi, rom axla ufro seriozuli brZolis dro modis. aqamde ukrainis brZolis
romantikuli periodi iyo.
axla iwyeba prozauli periodi, rac gacilebiT rTulia.
_ politikosebisa da
sazogadoebis nawili
saqarTvelos
xelisuflebas
adanaSaulebs, rom is
ruseTis mimarT
`daTmobebis politikas
atarebs~ da TiTqos
qveynis sagareo kursi
gaugebaria. Tqveni
azriT, ramdenad
safuZvliania
xelisuflebis mimarT
gamoTqmuli braldebebi?
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_ savsebiT safuZvliani
dadanaSaulebaa. jerjerobiT yvelaferi gakeTda imisTvis, rom ruseTs gauCndes
rwmena, TiTqos saqarTvelo
ukve misi sakuTrebaa. Tu waikiTxavT ruseTis strategiuli centris wevris, mixeil
Cernovis proeqts, savsebiT
darwmundebiT amaSi. is
laparakobs cxinvalidan erevnisken da baTumidan somxeTisken mimavali satransporto gzebis gayvanis aucileblobaze, romlebic ruseTis
savaWro da samxedro miznebs
moemsaxureba. Tanac ise darwmunebulad saubrobs am
Temaze, TiTqos es teritoria yamiri miwaa da iq mosaxleobis WaWanebac ki ar aris.
_ ukve praqtikulad
cxadia, rom kremlis
mier mxardaWerili
ukrainis mTavroba
xalxTan brZolaSi
ruseTSi. me ar mjera, rom
amas maSinve mohyveba imperiis daSla da putinis gadadgoma. mas ruseTSi jer isev
maRali
reitingi
aqvs.
ukrainis dakargvam, SesaZloa, cecxli SeunTos iq
specialurad gaRvivebul
ultraSovinistur ganwyobas,
gansakuTrebiT axalgazrdobaSi. aman ki, SesaZloa,
daTrgunos
opoziciuri
Zalebis protesti da ar
dauSvas misi farTod gaSla.
ai, gaixseneT, soWSi rogor
Seuracxyofas ayenebdnen
ukrainel moTxilamureebs
rusi mayureblebi. uyvirodnen, `daeci~, `davardi~, `gavardi~ da sxva aseTebs. am
SemTxvevaSi, ruseTma, SesaZloa, kbilebis kraWuniT
daTmos
ukraina
da
saqarTveloze aiRos revanSi. amas ra SeiZleba mohyves,
calke saubris Temaa. arse-
didi xnis moTminebisa da
disciplinis Cvevebi ara aqvT.
_ aSS-s prezidentma
ukrainis movlenebTan
dakavSirebiT ganacxada,
Cveni mizani ar aris,
ganvixiloT es
movlenebi civi omis
saqarTvelos mimarT. aseve,
misi piradi kaprizis gamo
Wadrakis dafad, sadac
ruseTs vejibrebiTo.
Tqveni azriT, es niSnavs
Tu ara, rom amerika
ruseTis geostrategiul
politikaze gavlenas ver
moaxdens?
Catarda olimpiada soWSi,
miuxedavad misi araxelsayreli mdebareobis, uzarmazari
xarjebisa da ekologiuri
ganadgurebisa, rac amas mohyva.
_ prezidenti obama metismetad frTxilia sityvaSic
da saqmeSic. amitom zogjer
wagebulis poziciaSi aRmoCenila. magram amerikis
politikur sferoebSi bolo
dros Zalian Zlieri antirusuli
ganwyobaa
da
vfiqrob, es moaxdens gavlenas sagareo politikis
Camoyalibebaze. Tumca, isic
unda davamato, rom putini
Zalze boRmiani da jiuti
adamiania. saSiSroeba imaSi
mdgomareobs, rom Zneli
gasaTvaliswinebelia, ra moeprianeba am erT kacs, romelic ruseTis faqtobrivi imperatoria. vladimer putinma mixeil saakaSvilisadmi pirad siZulvilze aago ruseTis
mTeli
politika
damarcxda, an
damarcxdeba. Tqveni
azriT, rogor aisaxeba
saqarTveloze ukrainaSi
ganviTarebuli
procesebi?
_ amis ramdenime varianti
arsebobs. Tu ruseTi, an
ufro sworad, prezidenti
putini mainc ar daTmobs
ukrainas, miuxedavad iq ukve
miRweuli Sedegebisa da gadawyvets, seriozuli samxedro
Zala
gamoiyenos,
mas
saqarTvelosTvis garkveuli
drois ganmavlobaSi ar
ecleba. misi sruliad Ria intervenciis miuxedavad, es
varianti ar aris gamoricxuli, radgan ukrainis gareSe,
evraziis kavSiris Seqmna, faqtobrivad, anulirdeba yvela
Tavisi strategiuli miznebiTa da gegmebiT. saqarTveloSi ki yvelaferi damokidebuli iqneba imaze, ras moimoqmedebs TviT saqarTvelos
mTavroba da xalxi am periodis ganmavlobaSi. meore
varianti damokidebulia
imaze, ra reaqcias gamoiwvevs
ukrainis magaliTi TviTon
bobs kidev erTi-ori sxva
variantic, magram maTi aq
ganxilva Sors wagviyvans.
rasakvirvelia, ruseTSi,
adre Tu gvian, moxdeba damangreveli
socialuri
afeTqeba. SeiZleba vcdebi,
magram ara mgonia, es ukrainis
kremlis klanWebidan gasxltomisTanave moxdes. Tumca,
usaTuod moxdeba.
_ ramdenad arsebobs
saSiSroeba
saqarTveloSi
analogiuri movlenebis
ganviTarebisTvis?
_ arsebobs, rasakvirvelia,
Tu zemomoyvanili meore
varianti ganxorcieldeba.
magram saqarTveloSi es sxva
formebiT ganviTardeba. es
sxvaoba ki gamowveuli iqneba,
rogorc Cveni mTavrobis
prorusuli poziciisa da
saqarTveloSi mravalricxovani mexuTe kolonis arsebobiT, aseve qarTvelebis xasiaTisa da mentalobis gamoc.
qarTvelebma swrafad unda
gaimarjvon brZolaSi. maT
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_ Tqven ambobT, rom
saqarTvelos
evrokavSiris wevroba
realurad SesaZlebelia,
magram mxolod Cvenive
SemarTebis Sedegad.
iqneb, daakonkretoT, ra
gziT aris es
SesaZlebeli da
arsebobs Tu ara saamiso
potenciali saqarTvelos
xelisuflebaSi?
_ saamisod araviTari potenciali ar arsebobs
saqarTvelos mTavrobaSi, magram arsebobs saqarTvelos
mosaxleobis progresulad
moazrovne nawilSi. konkretulad ra gzebiT SeiZleba
amis miRweva, am gzas mosaxleobis swored es nawili
gamonaxavs.
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#08 (025)
`narmanias mainc movugeb arCevnebs da amis eSinia RaribaSvils~
`ar SeiZleba advokatis identificireba
anka bazeraSvili
i
s-is iyo
saqarTvelos
advokatTa
asociaciis
prezidentTan,
zaza
xatiaSvilTan
interviuze mivedi, gzis
mxridan, ruporiani
axalgazrdebi rom
gamoCndnen. isini baton
zazas Tanamdebobidan
gadadgomas sTxovdnen.
am saxis moTxovna
pirvelad
uflebadamcvelma
mJavanaZem gaaJRera, mere
ki mas axalgazrdebis
erTi jgufic ahyva. am
yvelafris sababi ki,
advokatTa asociaciis
prezidentis gancxadeba
iyo, romliTac man
baCo axalaias
dakavebuli advokati,
goga oniani daicva da
mis ayvanas politikuri
dapatimreba uwoda. amis
mere xatiaSvili
sazogadoebisa da
`mJavanaZisa da misi
axalgazrdebis~ qarcecxlSi moeqca. Tumca
is miiCnevs, rom misi
`dabombvis~ mizezebi
sul sxvaa, vidre erTi
SexedviT Cans.
Tavis dacvisqveS myofTan~
saqmeTa ministrad
daniSnes. yvela is
prokurori, romelic
samoqalaqo
sazogadoebas
aterorebda, amaT
daawinaures.
`
amaze ratom ar aqvT reaqcia? ratom maT ar uvardebian ofisebTan da saxlebTan? ratom ar eZaxian, nacebis
satelitebi xarTo? 5 weli
ritorika ar Semicvlia da
erTnair gancxadebebs vakeTeb, nacionalebis dros es
iyo kargi da `ocnebis~ dros
cudia?
`rom meubnebian, advokatis
uflebebs nu icavo, aba, ra vqna,
prokuroris uflebebi davicva?!~
zaza xatiaSvili:
_ qvemoT 15 axalgazrda dgas, romlebic, etyoba,
viRacis zegavlenis qveS
moeqcnen da kanonic ar
ician. Zalian cudia, roca
axalgazrdebi ase cdiloben
karieris gakeTebas da ucnaur gancxadebebs avrceleben
CemTan mimarTebaSi. amis mTavari mizezi aris is, rom
ar dagimalavT da
advokatTa asociaciis
kancelarias sajaro
informacia, Tqveni
Semosavlebis, manqanebisa
da premiebis nusxa
movTxove...
`
xelisufleba ver
egueba, qveyanaSi arCeviTi
Tanamdebobebi rom
arsebobs. swored aseT
Tanamdebobaze, 3 Tvis
win, saqarTvelos
advokatebis 80-ma
procentma me momca xma.
aseTi procentuli
maCvenebliT Tavad
`qarTul ocnebasac~ ar
mougia arCevnebi.
`
SeSfoTebulebi arian,
samoqalaqo sazogadoebaSi
popularuli rom var. axali
xelisuflebisgan erTi wlis
ganmavlobaSi viTxov xalxis
winaSe aRebuli valdebulebis Sesrulebas, marTlmsajulebis xarvezebis komisiis
Seqmnas, kanonier ZalaSi Sesuli ganaCenebis gadasinjvas.
es ar gaakeTa ivaniSvilis xelisuflebam da daiwyo
_ bolo dros
xelisuflebam `frTebi~
gaSala da jipomaniapremiomaniiT
nacionalebis ocnebis
koSkebsac ki gadaufrina.
`Tu goga onianma Caidina
danaSauli, man pasuxi unda agos,
magram, Tu masTan mimarTebaSi
sxvas aqvs Cadenili danaSauli,
maTac unda agebinon pasuxi~
saakaSvilis reJimis kopireba, amitom gavemijne maT. samarcxvinoa, es axalgazrdebi
rom amboben, TiTqos urTierToba maqvs `nacmoZraobasTan~.
eseni marTvadebi rom ar
iyvnen,
`
nacmoZraobasTan~
rom saerTo araferi
maqvs, bavSvmac ki icis.
`nacmoZraobis~ im
warmomadgenlebs
niSnaven prokuraturaSi,
maSin finansur
policiaSi rom
muSaobdnen da xalxs
qonebas arTmevdnen.
WikaiZe, saakaSvilis
reJimis maRali
Tanamdebobis
policieli, Sinagan
_ mere ra ipoveT?! mTavari
prokurori farcxalaZe rom
daniSnes, maSinve 150-aTasiani
jipi iyida, baTumis mermac
daniSvnisTanave jipi moiTxova, uSiSroebis mdivanic
imave dRes jipSi Cajda... asociaciaSi
rom
movedi,
`mersedesi~ damxvda da gavyide, tvirTad rom ar daswoloda organizacias. asociaciis prezidentis xelfasi 5 aTasi lari iyo da vTqvi,
rom amxela xelfasi ar unda
mqonoda. gancxadebiT mivmarTe aRmasrulebel sabWos
da 30 procentiT Sevamcirebine. yvela winaaRmdegi iyo,
magram mainc gavakeTebine es.
albaT, naxavdiT, 5 wlis ganmavlobaSi premiad aRebuli
maqvs 500 lari, roca SemiZlia 60 aTas laramdec ki
ganvkargo Cemi Sexedulebisamebr, anu asociaciis biujetis 10 procenti. amaT rom
ar vgavar, undaT, aseTi binZuri meTodebiT gamiSvan.
samoTaxiani bina da 50 aTasi
dolari vali damxvda asociaciaSi da Cemi prezidentobis manZilze asociacias
vuyide 4 ofisi. ra Semosavalic Cems dros iyo aq,
igive gaxldaT Cemamdec, magram valebSi iyvnen Cafluli. vinaidan ar gavakeTe is,
rasac nebismieri xelmZRvaneloba akeTebda, damiwyes
yvela mxridan Semoteva.
`
vekiTxebi im
axalgazrdebs, Cems
gadadgomas rom
iTxoven, ratom ar
midian da ar iTxoven
WikaiZis gadadgomas?!
xelisuflebis
warmomadgenlebis mier
SeZenil jipebze ratom
ar iReben xmas? an maTi
premiebis gamo ratom
ar darbian
megafonebiT da aqciebs
ar awyoben?! premia ar
amiRia, vambob, ar
minda-meTqi da kidev me
var nacionalebis
sateliti?!
`
_ mJavanaZem isic Tqva,
xatiaSvilma ruseTis
prezidents gaugzavna
werili da dafinanseba
moiTxovao. es
simarTlea?
_ daviwyeb imiT, rom mJavanaZe ambobda, advokatis
uflebebi saqarTveloSi ar
irRvevao. `iu Tu bi~-ze devs,
rogor miayena Seuracxyofa
advokat nona kirTaZes Semosavlebis samsaxuris TanamSromelma. amis gamo advokati cudad gaxda da saswrafo
gamoiZaxes. advokat romeo
sajaiaze Tavad prokuraturamac daadastura _
Sexla-Semoxla
moxdao.
prokuratura rasac ar uaryofs, mJavanaZe imazec amtkicebs, ar momxdarao. warmogidgeniaT, ra donis xalxia, vinc Cvens gadadgomas
iTxovs?!
`
vxedavT irakli
RaribaSvili policiur
saxelmwifos rom qmnis
da yvelgan niSnavs
policielebs. Tavisi
erT-erTi moadgile
Tea wulukians Causva,
#08 (025)
premieri
xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
meore _ alasanias, axla
unda, rom sxva
moadgile an ndobiT
aRWurvili piri
daniSnos advokatTa
ar wavedi. Cemi premiebi
ver naxes, manqana ver
naxes da es sisulele
damabrales.
mTavari
novaciis Semdeg sakmaod iqneboda daculi samoqalaqo sazogadoeba.
` `
prokuroris
ivaniSvili xalxs
verasdros daicavs,
verc sxva, es unda
gaakeTos kanonma da
samarTalma.
`
ivaniSvili Semovida Tu
ara samoqalaqo seqtorSi, axalgazrdebi dgebian Cems karTan da mJavanaZesTan erTad
iTxoven gadadgomas. romeli
advokatic maTTan miva, es
iqneba maTi lustracia.
`
asociaciis
Tavmjdomared.
mJavanaZem yvelaze didi
uzneoba Caidina, roca gancxadeba gaakeTa, xatiaSvilma
miTxra, rom putins miswera
werili da dafinanseba iTxovao. mJavanaZes arasdros
Sevxvedrivar da simarTlec
rom iyos, rogor unda meTqva misTvis es?!
swori Tanamdeboba mikavia
qveyanaSi, mekuTvnis avtomanqana, viyidi asociaciis finansebidan, amis ufleba maqvs
da Rirseulad vivli, magram
ar vakeTeb. saqarTvelos,
_ adamianebi, romlebic
Tqvens karTan modian
(aseve, sazogadoebac),
acxadeben, rom oniani
iyo saakaSvilis jalaTi,
is arbevda da awamebda,
narkotiks udebda
udanaSaulo adamianebs.
axla ki advokaturas
Seafara Tavi, xatiaSvili
jalaTs icavs da
politikur gancxadebebs
akeTebso. am
miTxra, arasworia, mosamarTleebad da prokurorebad namuSevar adamianebs advokatad rom ar iRebo. sasamarTlom damavala misi gawevrianeba da gavawevriane.
Cveni urTierToba ufro
daZabuli iyo, vidre megobruli. Tumca, rogorc advokats, roca mas Tavs daesxnen, amiT mec damesxnen. roca
romeo sajaias miayenes fizikuri Seuracxyofa, mec momayenes. advokatTa asociaciis wesdebis Tanaxmad, asociaciis Tavmjdomare xelmZRvanelobs advokatTa dacvis
RonisZiebas. me gaxlavarT
advokatTa ombudsmeni. rom
meubnebian, advokatis uflebebs nu icavo, aba, ra vqna,
prokuroris uflebebi davicva?! goga oniani sami
kviris win daibares mowmed,
dakiTxes da eubnebodnen, Tu
iTanamSromleb, ar dagiWerTo, manamde
roca saqarTvelos
teritoriuli
sazRvrebis mTlianoba
dairRva da rusebma
mavTulxlarTebis
gavleba daiwyes dvanSi,
avtobusi viqirave da
advokatebi waviyvane.
maSin xelisuflebac da
mJavanaZec damalulebi
iyvnen.
`
_ Tu araseriozuli da
cilismwamebluria,
ratom ar uCiviT
mJavanaZes?
_ mJavanaZe Cemze laparakiT ikeTebs karieras. mas rom
vuCivlo, amiT pativi unda
davdo. normalurma adamianma, vinc mis naTqvams ismens,
ara mgonia, daijeros.
`
roca mTavari
prokurori kbilaSvili
ruseTSi wavida, Zalian
gavmwardi. me Tu
mqonda Rirseba da ar
mivdiodi, isini ratom
unda wasuliyvnen? sanktpeterburgSi amerikis
advokatTa asociaciam
moawyo kongresi da
mimiwvia, magram arc iq
_ onianis zonderobasa
da mis mier adamianebis
wamebebze ras ityviT, es
kiTxva ukve dagisviT,
magram ar mipasuxeT...
_ maCveneT ganaCeni goga
onianze, rom iyo zonderi. me
gaxlavarT advokatTa asociaciis Tavmjdomare da xom
ar SeiZleba, haerze vakeTo
gancxadebebi?!
`
oniani, rogorc
advokati, kbilebiT
icavda Tavisi dacvis
qveS myofs da Cemi
simpaTiebi, rogorc
advokatma, ra Tqma
unda, daimsaxura. is
yvela kanonieri
saSualebiT cdilobda,
radgan daicva baCana axalaia, gaxda yvelasTvis miuRebeli. advokatis rolis
Sesaxeb gaeros ZiriTadi
principebi gveubneba, rom ar
SeiZleba advokatis identificireba Tavisi dacvis qveS
myofTan. amas akeTebs swored
samoqalaqo sazogadoeba, xelisufleba, rac niSnavs imas,
rom adamianebma ar ician, ra
weria saerTaSoriso konvenciaSi.
`
Tu goga onianma
Caidina danaSauli, man
pasuxi unda agos,
magram, Tu masTan
mimarTebaSi sxvas aqvs
Cadenili danaSauli,
maTac unda agebinon
pasuxi.
`
romeo sajaias gancxadebiT, gadayvanis momentSi, onianze moxda fizikuri zemoqmedeba, me xom ar momigonia
es, ara?! axla rac asociaciis gareT xdeba, es aris ad-
`me vewirebi
saxelmwifo
miswrafebas,
yvela
struqtura da
sfero
Caigdos xelSi~
`
goga oniani iyo wamosuli
ruseTisgan Cveni sazRvrebis
darRvevis gasaprotesteblad. gvaqvs amis fotosuraTi da gadmogcemT. rac advokatTa asociaciis Tavmjdomare var, ruseTSi ar vyofilvar. Cemi qveyana maT okupirebuli aqvT da amitom ar
Cavdivar. es xalxi ki, romelic kviraSi orjer icvlis
Sexedulebebs, Cemze ambobs,
TiTqos ruseTTan raRac
makavSirebs. es aris araseriozuli.
Ta igive gancxadeba, eWvs
badebso. dimitrovs Tu
gauCnda es eWvebi, advokatTa
asociaciis Tavmjdomares ar
unda gasCenoda? saerTaSoriso
konvenciebiTac
politikuri dakaveba iyo es.
13
xalxs ise uWirs, araferi
moxdeba, Tanamdebobis pirebi xSirad metroTi, avtobusiT, `marSrutkiT~ Tu ivlian.
`
mJavanaZisa da misi
axalgazrdebis es
gancxadebebi saeWvod
emTxveva ivaniSvilis
samoqalaqo seqtorSi
gadmosvlas. me
samoqalaqo
sazogadoebas
movuwode, rom am
adamians gamijvnoda.
vTxove, fulis gamo,
ivaniSvilTan arc erT
samoqalaqo, cnobil
organizacias Sexeba ar
hqonoda.
`
am adamianma, roca xelisuflebaSi iyo, miRebuli kanoni, romliTac mowme pirvelad sasamarTloSi unda
daekiTxaT, gadaavada da amiT
samoqalaqo sazogadoebas
daartya. am sakanonmdeblo
braldebebze Tavs riT
imarTlebT?
`
_
onianTan cudi
urTierToba ufro
mqonda, vidre kargi.
mas 6 Tve ar viRebdi
advokatTa rigebSi,
gamocdis Cabarebas
vTxovdi... 7 weli iyo
gasuli, rac gamocda
Caabara da kanonSi
weria _ amdeni xnis
mere ar unda miviRoT,
magram sasamarTlos sam
instanciaSi gaasaCivra.
onianisTvis yvelaze
miuRebeli adamiani
viyavi, Tumca mas
yvelanairi safuZveli
hqonda, advokatTa
asociaciis wevri
gamxdariyo _
ganaTleba, codna.
`
kidev ramdenime adamiani
iyo, vinc aseTi faqti gaasaCivra da sasamarTlo procesi moigo. sasamarTlom
`
weliwadze metxans
ido SaTiriSvilis
gancxadeba iq, magram
reagireba moxda maSin,
roca es xelisuflebas
mounda. amitom es aris
swored politikuri
dakaveba.
`
guSin dimitrovmac gaake-
Tavisi dacvis qveS
myofi gaemarTlebina.
es aris swored
advokatis
movaleobac.
`
onians ase rom daecva
politpatimrad aRiarebuli
pirebi, is iqneboda axla aRiarebuli varskvlavi, magram,
vokatTa asociaciis Tavmjdomareze zewola. rogorc
meriaSi midis marTvadi procesi, rom iq meris daniSvnas
cdiloben, undaT, aqac
daniSnon Tavisi kadri da
asociacia ase akontrolon.
advokats rom daiWeren, mJavanaZe
gamoiyvanon
da
aTqmevinon, ar irRveva qveya-
dasasruli me-14 gv.
14 premieri
me-13 gverdidan
naSi advokatis uflebebio.
man isic Tqva, am xelisuflebam gamouSva cixidan dakavebuli advokatebi, xatiaSvils
araferi gaukeTebiao da es
aris usindisoba.
`
Tea wulukianma am
dReebSi `kavkasiazec~
ikiTxa, roca xatiaSvili
igive gancxadebebs
nacionalebis winaaRmdeg
akeTebda, maSin kargi
zaza iyo da axla cudi
zaza gaxdao?!
`
fotoreportiorebi rom
daakaves da Jurnalistebi
aqciebs marTavdnen, mxolod
me, erTaderTi advokati davdiodi da arc erTi aqcia ar
gamicdenia. eseni, axla viTom xalxisa da simarTlis
damcvelebi, maSinac imalebodnen da me var axla nacionalebis sateliti, aba,
TqviT?!
`
es gaxlavT
RaribaSvilis
SurisZieba Cemze. ar
moewona, roca
evrokavSirs mivwere _
es xelisuflebac devnis
advokatebs-meTqi.
xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
fesias
davubrundebi.
saqarTveloSi vin unda
daakavon, zaza xatiaSvilis
advokatoba rom ar moundes?
erTaderTi advokati viyavi
2012 wels veropaSi, romelmac 3 sasamarTlo procesi 3
TveSi movige. aseTi ram
aravis gaukeTebia. dRes advokatebs Cemi saxiT ufaso
damcveli hyavT.
`
arCevnebis win,
dekemberSi, finansur
policiaSi ibarebdnen
advokatebs da
eubnebodnen, xatiaSvils
ar misceT xmao. Tu
isini finansurma
policiam ver SeaSina,
mJavanaZis gancxadebebi
SeaSinebT?
`
rogorc miTxres, mJavanaZesTan aris nugzar birkaia. is
advokatTa
asociaciis
arCevnebze axlaxan iyrida
kenWs da 0 xma miiRo. mdinaraZis garda, vinc ki mebrZoda, 0-dan 10-mde xma miiRes, meti _ vera. mamuka iyo
erTaderTi Rirseuli adami-
`
evropis
sasamarTlom.
revaz qobulia, romelmac
dvaliSvili awama, dainiSna
policiis sammarTvelos ufrosad. axla me var maTi agenti Tu ivaniSvili, romelmac
mTeli `nacmoZraoba~ Tavze
dagvasva?!
wyo Cemze aseTi kampaniis agoreba.
axla,
etyoba,
fiqroben, rom SeiZleba
merad
viyaro
kenWi.
saarCevno kampania rom saerTod ar Cavataro da marto
`
`
Cemi suraTi davdo,
narmanias mainc
movugeb arCevnebs da
amis eSinia RaribaSvils.
amis Semdeg ivaniSvilma
`
roca `qarTuli
ocneba~ modioda,
parlamentis
deputatobis kandidatTa
siaSi mec Camweres,
magram uari vTqvi, _
politika ar minda,
Tavi damanebeT-meTqi.
`
`
_ aseTi aqciebiT Tqveni
gadayeneba SesaZlebelia?
rogorc cnobilia, isini
advokatebis 10
procentis xelmowerebis
Segrovebas apireben.
marTla geliT, batono
zaza, gadayeneba?!
_ Tu 10 procents moagroveben, mommarTaven, moviwvev krebas da davayeneb Cemi
uflebamosilebis Sewyvetis
sakiTxs. Tu mxars dauWeren,
advokatTa asociacias gadavuxdi madlobas da Cems pro-
onians dauluqes
piradi kompiuteri.
advokats SeiZleba 10-15
dacvis qveS myofze
hqondes monacemebi da
iqidan xom SeuZliaT, es
informaciebi amoiRon?
amis ufleba aravis ar
aqvs. amiT klientsa da
advokats Soris
konfidencialuroba
irRveva da es yvela
saerTaSoriso normiT
akrZalulia.
`
sxva samarTaldarRvevebze
ukve aRarafers vambob. baCana axalaias erTi advokati
daiWires, meore scemes da
amiT eubnebian samoqalaqo sazogadoebas, politikur
procesebSi CarTuli rom
daginaxoT, Tqvenc is mogivaT, rac amaT daemarTaTo.
amis mere rogor SemiZlia
gaCumeba?
_ internetsivrceSi
gavrcelda foto, sadac
oniani axalaias erTerT procesze, aqciis
monawiles xels urtyams.
es foto axalgazrdebma
aqciazec moitanes da
gaCvenes. `feisbukze~ erTerTma parlamentarma ki
mas miawera, xatiaSvils
aCveneT, onians rom
icavso.
ani da Rirseuladac mebrZoda, magram xmebis didi
raodenobiT mainc me gavimarjve.
_ vici eg foto. mand rac
moxda, Tavad oniani cno sasamarTlom dazaralebulad da
gaamarTla. dapirispirebul
mxares ki administraciuli
jarima miesaja.
_ axla ki gamodis, rom
onians ewirebiT?
`
_ me vewirebi
saxelmwifo
miswrafebas, yvela
struqtura da sfero
Caigdos xelSi, aseve,
RaribaSvilis boRmas.
sasamarTlo procesi
movige strasburgSi
`dvaliSvili
saqarTvelos
winaaRmdeg~. am adamians
koka-kola eniT
aalokvines da misi
wameba daadgina kidec
advokati ukanonod daakavon,
xval 10-15 advokats daiWeren da metyvian, onianze xma Tu
ar amoiRe, axla ra gindao?!
` `
Tu politikaSi CarTvas
gadavwyvet, icis, rom gavimarjveb kidec da amitom
mabralebs axla Tavisi WkuiT
putinisTvis werilis miweras.
ara mgonia, sazogadoebas
aseTi utvino vegono.
evropis advokatTa asociaciis prezidentma moswera
werilebi margvelaSvils,
RaribaSvilsa da usufaSvils,
evropeli advokatebis saxeliT. am werilis mosvlasac
emTxveva Cems mimarT agorebuli kampania. omi gamomicxades imis gamo, ratom Sevyare
qveyana da vTqvi, saqarTveloSi midis advokatebis devnameTqi da maT faqtebi da mtkicebulebebi gavugzavne.
evropis advokatTa asociacia gaognebuli darCa am
faqtebiT da saqarTvelos xelisuflebas umkacresi werili gamougzavna.
`
_ onianis dacvas ufro
gaaTmagebulad gavagrZeleb
im maimunobebis mere, rac
xelisuflebam wamoiwyo. me
rom precedenti davuSva,
gulebSi Caixedon da mixvdebian, ra gaakeTes, mowmis sasamarTloSi gadavadeba rom
moaxdines da samoqalaqo sazogadoeba wamebis qveS dagvtoves. magaT xma amoeRebaT?!
`
roca RaribaSvili
Sinagan saqmeTa ministri
iyo, Zmebi sozaSvilebi
policielebma scemes.
mtkicebuleba amoiReTmeTqi, piradadac
vTxove RaribaSvils,
magram es ar gaakeTa.
pirvelad aqedan
daiwyo Cemi da misi
samarTlebrivi
dapirispireba. mere
sozaSvilebis saqmeze
gamamarTlebeli ganaCeni
daayena sasamarTlom
da aRmoCnda, rom
marTali viyavi da
RaribaSvili tyuoda.
`
saakaSvili, viszec
viTxovdi persona non
gratad cnobas
evropaSi, aseTi binZuri
meTodebiT ar
mebrZoda. mas ar
ukadrebia, Tavisi
organizaciebisTvis
daevalebina, wadiT
xatiaSvilTan da misi
gadadgoma
moiTxoveTo. eseni
yvelaferze midian.
rogorc advokatis,
dacvas gaagrZelebT?
#08 (025)
RaribaSvili mainc premierad
daniSna. anu kaci, romelmac
evrosasamarTlos revizia
moaxdina da am yvelafers
ratom ar aprotestebs mJavanaZe?!
ise, yvela arCevnebis win
xdeba Cemze aseTi zewola,
radgan sul hgoniaT, rom
kenWi unda viyaro. saprezidento arCevnebis winac dai-
axlaxan mediasaSualeba
`bankebma da finansebma~ gamokiTxva Caatara da patriarqis Semdeg wlis adamianad
damasaxela. esec iyo erTerTi biZgi Cemze aseTi sibinZureebis agorebis.
_ miuxedavad am
yvelafrisa, onianis,
`
rogorc onianma
miTxra, colsa da
Svils miginebdnen da
reaqciac mqondao. im
adamianmac aRiara,
onians Sevagineo da
SeiZleba advokati
agino?!
`
mag parlamentma da parlamentarebma
sakuTar
aqciebs vatarebdi parlamentis win da amerikis saelCoc
ki dainteresda, ratom gadaido es procesi da cxadia,
magaT ase unda ilaparakon,
sakuTari danaSauli rom dafaron. boRmas ase anTxeven,
zaza xatiaSvili bevris msgavsad rom ver gadaibires da
ver iyides. magaT sazogadoebaSi me imitom var miuRebeli, patiosani Tanamdebobis
piri ar unda arsebobdes.
kidev erT mniSvnelovan
mizezs getyviT, ris gamoc
omi gamomicxades da maTTvis
sruliad miuRebeli gavxdi.
albaT, gaxsovT, ivaniSvili
winasaarCevnod dazaralebul adamianebs qonebis dabrunebas rom hpirdeboda,
mere ki RaribaSvilma Tqva,
amdeni Tanxebi ar gvaqvs da
ver SevqmniT am komisiaso.
iciT, ra gaakeTes?
`
finansuri policiis
xalxi, romelic
yvelaze metad iyo
damnaSave qonebis
warTmevis dros,
mTavar prokuraturaSi
gadaiyvanes da ase
`gaapraves~ yvelaferi. im
qonebas ki, romelic
`nacmoZraobas~
xalxisTvis hqonda
warTmeuli da romlis
gayidvac ver moaswro,
axla ekonomikis
saministro yidis.
`
es faqtic gavaxmaure da
vTqvi, aseTi ram ar SeiZlebameTqi da amasac mohyva Cemi
`dabombva~.
aucileblad
`
piradad Caval
evropis advokatTa
asociaciis
prezidentTan da vetyvi,
_ rasac saakaSvili ar
mikeTebda, axlandeli
xelisufleba mikeTebsmeTqi.
`
maT aucileblad eqnebaT
reaqcia da Tan seriozuli.
#08 (025)
premieri
xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
15
oqro gaZvirda
saqarTveloSi bananis moxmareba 26 %-iTaa gazrdili
oqro gaZvirda. mimdinare kviraSi oqros fasi,
bolo 17 Tvis maqsimumamde gaizarda. oqroze
fasis zrdas ki analitikosebi aSS-s dabal
statistikur monacemebs da ganviTarebad bazrebze aqtivebis diversifikaciis zrdas ukavSireben. rogorc irkveva bolo 3 dRea rac
oqroze fass zrdis tendencia aqvs. aprilis
T^vis kontraqtebi ukve 0,4 %-iTaa gaZvirebuli da unciaze 1345,46 dolars Seadgens.
saqarTveloSi bananis moxmareba izrdeba. statistikuri informaciis mixedviT irkveva,
rom saqarTveloSi bananis importi gazrdilia da 2013 wels 2012 welTan SedarebiT
qveyanaSi 26 %-iT meti banania Semosuli. „saqstatis” informaciiT, 2013 wels saqarTveloSi
15,230.7 tona bananis importi ganxorcielda, maSin rodesac 2012 wels importirebuli
bananis moculobam 12,115.8 tona Seadgina.
saqarTvelosTvis bananis nomer pirveli importiori qveyana ekvadoria. saidanac 2013
wels saqarTveloSi 10,599.6 tona banani Semovida. Tumca unda aRiniSnos isic, rom miuxedavad imisa, rom 2013 wels qveyanaSi bananis importi gazrdilia, 2013 wels 2012 welTan
Sedarebidan ekvadoridan importirebuli bananis moculoba Semcirebulia.
laSa nodia
imaRle udris
trfialis
usasrulobas.
sigrZe saTnoebis
zeswrafvas
C+01, gani dauviwyar mogonebas,
Sinagani simxurvalis
sakiTxebs Tu gadavwyvetT,
Cven caSi aviWrebiT~, - ase
abarebs angariSs da
momavalze esaubreba
eldar Sengelaias
filmis dauviwyari gmiri
biZia-babua erTaoz
bregvaZes Zuknuridan,
romlebmac zustad
icodnen, risTvis
moxvdnen dilegSi siyvarulisTvis. maTgan
gansxvavebiT,
saqarTvelos
prezidentma namdvilad
ar icoda ra undoda
parlamentSi, ra angariSs
abarebda da ra
samomavlo gegmebsa Tu
xedvebze saubrobda.
biZia-babuas gegmebs,
gafrenisa da winsvlis
Sesaxeb, erTaozi
gulisyuriT usmenda,
prezidenti
margvelaSvili ki arc
erTma ministrma biZiababuadac ki ar Caagdo.
margvelaSvili idga da
yveboda, angariSobda,
bodiSobda, magram
dRemde gaugebari rCeba,
risTvis, visTvis... vin
ixelmZRvanelebs misi
xedvebiT?
prezidentis ekonomikuri aqcentebi
s
margvelaSvilis parlamentSi gamosvlas, sadac is pirvelad mivida da angariSic
pirvelad waradgina, Sefasebebi namdvilad ar mohklebia.
kidec aqes da kidev gakicxes,
Tumca mis mokrZalebulobas
yvela mxare erTxmad aRniSnavda. imis miuxedavad, rom amJamindeli prezidentis uflebebi Semcirebulia da is aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebis meTauric ar aris, parlamentSi
gamosvlisas SeZlebisdagvarad
yvela sferos Seexo. politikuri sakiTxebis garda, prezidentma ekonomikis gajansaRebazec isaubra, Tumca gaugebari mxolod is rCeba, risTvis
isaubra prezidentma, ra gemebze laparakobda da ratom?
samarTlianobisTvis unda
iTqvas, rom prezidenti iseT
gamosvliT kmayofili
xar, yvelaze
mniSvnelovani mainc ra
iyo ekonomikuri kuTxiT?
miRwevebze saubrobda, namdvilad mogindeboda aseTi
ekonomikuri winsvla, Tumca
ekonomikuri gundis wevrebisTvis rom ekiTxa prezidents
an vinmes, darwmunebuli var,
erTaoziviT upasuxebdnen:
`uzrdelobaSi nu CamomarTmevT, biZia-babua, magram maseT
rom prezidentis roli ar
aris
maRali
uSualod
ekonomikur procesebSi, gamomdinare Tundac im faqtidan,
rom is ar aris aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebis meTauri.
Tumca, miuxedavad amisa, cxadia, prezidents aqvs Tavisi
xedva da sasiamovnoa, roca is
Zleblobebs aZlevs saqarTvelos ekonomikas. ufro meti investorisTvis xdeba saqarTvelo saintereso.
aseve, sakmaod mniSvnelovani
momenti iyo, rodesac yuradReba gamaxvilda msxvili
saerTaSoriso regionuli
proeqtebis mniSvnelobaze da
_ mniSvnelovan detalad
mimaCnia aSS-ze saubrisas xazgasma ekonomikuri sakiTxebisadmi. kerZod, saubari bazris
gaxsnasa da investiciebis
mozidvaze. unda gaviTvaliswinoT, rom igive strategiuli
qartiis farglebSi Cven gvaqvs
SesaZlebloba, ufro metad SeviswavloT aSS-Tan Tavisufali
vaWrobis SesaZleblobebi. nebismier SemTxvevaSi bazris
metad gaxsna meti investorisTvis sainteresos gaxdis
saqarTvelos. aseve, sainteresoa, rom Seafasa 2013 weli,
isaubra garkveul problemebze wlis pirvel naxevarSi, rac
realurad iyo, da gamosworebis tendenciebze, rac rig
SemTxvevaSi namdvilad fiqsirdeboda 2013 wlis meore
naxevridan. man xazi gausva ara
mxolod im tendencias, rom biznesi politikurad ganTavisuflda, aramed im sakiTxsac,
rom investorebi iyvnen
`winmswrafveli TiTqmis
gamogonebulia - simaRle udris
trfialis usasrulobas. sigrZe
- saTnoebis zeswrafvas - C+01,,
gani - dauviwyar mogonebas,
Sinagani simxurvalis sakiTxebs
Tu gadavwyvetT, Cven caSi
aviWrebiT~.
rameze jer ar mifiqriao~.
erTi sityviT, prezidentis angariSi da xedvebi mTavrobas
arc mousmenia da, savaraudod,
angariSsac Znelad gauwevs.
`premieri~ prezidentis gamosvlis
ekonomikuri aqcentebiT
dainteresda da ramdenime kiTxviT eqsperts
ekonomikis sakiTxebSi
giorgi abaSiSvils
mimarTa:
_ zogadad, unda aRniSnos,
am yvelafers afiqsirebs. cxadia, kidev ufro mniSvnelovania misi xedva sagareo
ekonomikuri sakiTxebis mimarTulebiT. Sesabamisad, Zalian
saintereso iyo misi gancxadeba evrokavSirTan Rrma da yovlismomcveli Tavisufali
vaWrobis Sesaxeb. man es gancxadeba nawilobriv daukavSira
qveyanaSi axali investiciebis
Semodinebas, teqnologiebis
aTvisebas, raSic absoluturad veTanxmebi. faqtia, rom
evrokavSiris bazari axal Sesa-
gvaklda. metic, mixeil
saakaSvili ufro
detalurad saubrobda
xolme ekonomikis
ganviTarebasa da
sasiamovno momavalze.
arc im xelisuflebas,
romelsac prezidenti
margvelaSvili
warmoadgens, dazarebia
xelisuflebaSi mosvlamde
ekonomikis zrdisa da
cxovrebis gaiafebis
Sesaxeb popularuli
gancxadebebi da
dapirebebi... erTia
dapirebebi, angariSebi da
meorea, ra xdeba. rogor
fiqrob, xelisuflebisgan,
romelic ukve 2 welia,
qveynis saTaveSia da
romelmac minimalur
donezec ki ver SeZlo
ekonomikis winsvla,
ramdenad damajerebelia
es prognozebi?
_ vfiqrob, absoluturad
gansxvavebuli iyo prezident
saakaSvilis roli ekonomikaSi
da gansxvavebulia dRes moqmedi prezident margvelaSvilis
roli. Cemi azriT, prezidenti
misi funqciis farglebSi gamosvlisas mniSvnelovan yuradRebas uTmobda saerTaSoriso
proeqtebs da mis rols qveynis
ekonomikis winsvlaSi. principSi, velodi xedvas da ara dapirebebs da asec moxda. me ra
molodinic mqonda, srulad
gamarTlda.
_ prezidentis xedva
gavigeT, magram is
ekonomikuri gundi,
romelic qveyanas hyavs,
SeZlebs am xedvebis
ganxorcielebas? miT
ufro, prezidenti, Tavisi
uflebebiT, mTavrobis
meTauri ar aris... xom
ar darCeba prezidentis
xedva mxolod xedvad?
am SemTxvevaSic aqcenti gakeTda Sida sargebelze. erTi
mxriv, im sakiTxze, rom, cxadia, qveynis usafrTxoeba metad
iqneba uzrunvelyofili, Tumca meore mxriv, im Tanamdevi
proeqtebis
warmatebaze,
romelic SesaZloa, aRniSnul
msxvil proeqtebs axldes _
Tanamdevi mcire da saSualo
sawarmoebis ganviTareba, Semosavali tranzitidan, zogadad,
dasabegri bazis gafarToeba
da a.S.
_ vxedav, prezidentis
TavSekavebulni gardamavali
periodis gamo. vfiqrob, saintereso aqcentia. mniSvnelovania, rom igive konteqstSi axsena swored jinis indeqsi,
romelic aRniSnuli uTanasworobis sazomia. Cans, rom
prezidenti optimisturadaa
ganwyobili, man moiSvelia
kidec msoflio bankis prognozi, romelic ekonomikuri
zrdis 6 procentze maRal
maCvenebels
varaudobs
saqarTvelos ekonomikis ganviTarebisTvis.
aseve, Zalian mniSvnelovani
detali iyo mcire da saSualo
biznesis wilis zrdaze aqcentireba saqarTvelos ekonomikaSi. cxadia, rom am mxriv qveyanaSi sakmaod arasaxarbielo
maCvenebelia.
_ dapirebebi da
optimisturi gancxadebebi
arc wina prezidentisgan
_ calke sakiTxia samTavrobo gundis Tema. principSi, absoluturad unda gavmijnoT
es sakiTxi prezidentis gamosvlisgan. me piradad mgonia,
rom mTavrobas meti muSaoba
marTebs qveyanaSi maRali
ekonomikuri zrdis misaRwevad.
maT Soris, mTavrobam seriozulad unda gadaxedos mis
mierve Seqmnil strategiul
dokuments, romelic 2020 wlamdea gawerili.
_ ambob, rom unda
gavmijnoT prezidentis
gamosvla samTavrobo
gundisgan, ki batono,
gavmijnoT da ras
viRebT? prezidents,
romelsac aqvs kargi
xedvebi, magram aris
mTavroba, romelsac aqvs
sxva xedvebi da gegmebi?
_ vfiqrob, xedvebsa da gegmebSi Tavsebadoba arsebobs.
ubralod, cxadia, xedvidan
gegmad qceva, gegmis Semdgomi
Sesruleba mTavrobis saqmea.
16 premieri
axali ambebi
iusticiis ministrma
marTlmsajulebis
sistemis reformis
meore etapze
dagegmili
cvlilebebi
britanel
mosamarTleebs
gaacno
iusticiis ministrma Tea
wulukianma britanel mosa-
marTleTa delegacia miiRo.
Sexvedra iusticiis saministroSi Sedga da mas, iusticiis ministris garda,
ministris moadgileebi aleqsandre baramiZe da goCa
lorTqifaniZe - eswrebodnen. saubris Tema mosamarTleTa SerCevisa da Sefasebis meqanizmebis SemuSavebis sakiTxebi iyo.
iusticiis ministris ganmartebiT, iusticiis saministros organizebiT 28
Tebervlidan 1 martamde
ewyoba saerTaSoriso konferencia, romlis mTavari
Tema iqneba mosamarTleTa
Sefasebis sistemis danergva
saqarTveloSi. „axali konstituciis Tanaxmad, 3 weli
axlad daniSnul mosamarTleebs aqvT gamosacdeli periodi. es niSnavs Sefasebis sistemis arsebobas,
rac axla unda dainergos.
Cven konferenciaSi monawileobis misaRebad moviwvieT
ara mxolod britaneli mosamarTleebi, aramed poloneli, avstrieli, germaneli,
amerikeli mosamarTleebi,
romlebic Sexvdebian qarTvel kolegebs, parlamentisa
da aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebs,
raTa erTad gadavwyvitoT
is martivi sakiTxi, rac exeba mosamarTlis mier motivirebuli, dasabuTebuli
gadawyvetilebebis gamotanis aucileblobas. amis
gareSe ar arsebobs sasamarTlo sistema, romelsac
endoba xalxi”, - ganacxada
Tea wulukianma.
axali ambebi
xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
#08 (025)
`rac meti iqneba saqmiani da kompetenturi kritika,
miT ufro metad dafiqrdeba xelisufleba, rom
xalxis ndoba usazRvro ar aris~
zaal anjafariZe:
gega silagava
p
`upasuxismgeblo
sazogadoebas mis
mierve
daqiravebuli
xelisufleba
iolad moajdeba
Tavze~
remieris~
kiTxvebs
analitikosma
zaal
anjafariZem
upasuxa:
_ batono zaal,
qarTveli sazogadoebis
polarizacia jer kidev
gasuli saukunis 90-iani
wlebis bolodan modis.
albaT, calke msjelobis
sakiTxia, ramdenad iyo
im dros dawyebuli
dapirispirebis
safuZveli RirebulebiTi
Tu emociuri, magram
faqtia, rom Cven 20
wlis ganmavlobaSi
sakmaod mZime gza
gamoviareT. vaRiaroT
isic, rom nebismieri
dapirispireba
politikuri cvlilebebis
dros piks aRwevda.
sazogadoebaSi
SurisZiebis Zalian
maRali moTxovnileba
ibudebda, romelsac
nebismieri individi Tu
jgufi samarTlianobis
aRdgenas arqmevda, an
kanonebze apelirebda. am
mxriv, amJamadac rTuli
viTareba gvaqvs.
realurad ras efuZneba
qarTveli sazogadoebis
polarizacia _
faseulobebs Tu
merkantilizms?
_ am mxriv, raRac paradoqsuli situacia gvaqvs.
saqarTvelom bolo 20 wlis
manZilze demokratiis, samoqalaqo sazogadoebisa da
efeqturi saxelmwifo institutebis Seqmnis kuTxiT postsabWoTa qveynebTan SedarebiT
win waiwia. amave dros, Cvenma
sazogadoebam fundamentur
Rirebulebebze SeTanxmeba
ver SeZlo. mimaCnia, rom SeuTanxmeblobis mizezebi Cvens
istoriul mexsierebaSi, sazogadoebis
kulturul
memkvidreobasa da mentalur
`sazogadoebis
socialuri
apaTiiT kargad
sargebloben
avantiuristi
politikosebi~
ekonomikuri procesis Sedegi iyo, sulierebisa da Semwynareblobis daknineba gamoiwvia. magaliTad, am dReebSi
Cemi yuradReba miiqcia im
agresiam, rac socialuri
qselebidan wamovida kievSi
maidanze daRupuli axalgazrdis mimarT, mxolod imitom rom is `nacionaluri
moZraobis~ wevri iyo. rTulia erT sagazeTo interviuSi detalurad axsna yvela
siRrmiseuli mizezi sazogadoebis axlandeli polarizaciisa, romelic marTlac
ukve saxifaTo masStabebs
iRebs. vfiqrob, am sakiTxze
ara mxolod specialistebma
da politikosebma, aramed
mTelma sazogadoebam erTad
unda vimsjeloT da gadavwyvitoT, ra vqnaT. Cemi azriT,
cdebian isini, vinc fiqrobs,
sxvavebuli Rirebulebebisa
da msoflmxedvelobis mqone
jgufi da ra vuyoT maT?
arCevani ki aseTia _ an Tavad
movaxerxebT, SevCerdeT da es
polarizacia civilizebuli
diskusiis kalapotSi gadaviyvanoT, an sxvebi SegvaCereben.
_ merkantilizmi
tyuilad ar vaxsene. Cven
vfiqrobT, rom swored
`me var yvelaze Wkviani~,
`me vici~, `me SemiZlia~,
`me vimsaxureb~, `me
mekuTvnis~... Tumca am
yvelafris miRma
arasodes dgas _ `me
viqnebi pasuxismgebeli~.
xSirad mrCeba
STabeWdileba, rom
yvelaze agresiulebi da
radikalurebi is
adamianebi an adamianTa
is jgufebi arian,
TaviseburebebSi unda veZeboT. ra Tqma unda, udides
rols TamaSobs konfesiuri
faqtori. Cemi azriT, sazogadoebis polarizacia merkantiluri faqtorebisa da
RirebulebaTa sistemebis
konfliqtis erTgvar nazavs
efuZneba. merkantilizmis
momZlavrebam, rac bolo 20
wlis manZilze momxdari omebis, politikuri kataklizmebisa
da
socialur-
rom, Tu `nacionaluri
moZraobis~ liderebs cixeSi
gamoketaven, amiT polarizaciac dasruldeba. ar dasruldeba, radganac Cveni sazogadoebis polarizacia,
rogorc giTxariT, RirebulebaTa konfliqtze gadis.
Sesabamisad, sazogadoebaSi
yovelTvis gamoiZebneba gan-
romlebmac verasodes da
verc erT viTarebaSi ver
SeZles realizeba da
arasodes, aravis
gakeTebuli, araferi ar
moswonT. swored es
adamianebi xom ar
amRvreven mudmivad
wyals da uSlian xels
gnebavT civilizebul
oponirebas da gnebavT
premieri
premieri
xuTSabaTi,2727Tebervali-5
Tebervali-5marti,
marti,2014
2014
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(025)
#08
(025) xuTSabaTi,
sazogadoebis
ganviTarebisTvis
aucilebeli normebis
damkvidrebas?
_ SeiZleba xelmocaruli
adamianebis raRac nawils
axasiaTebdes es Tvisebebi da
cdilobdes
situaciis
politikur simpaTiebs.
Tu realurad SevafasebT
movlenebs, gasul wels
xelisuflebas
politikur oponentebze
aranaklebi provokacia
sazogadoebis calkeulma
jgufebma mouwyves.
izebuli Cveni sazogadoeba,
ufro sworad misi orTodoqsul-tradicionalisturi da
modernistuli jgufebi. maT
Soris da frontis xazi
swored RirebulebaTa konfliqtze gadis. Tumca 17
mihyavs imis rwmenamde da
gancdamde, rom swored is
aris saxelmwifo da is
qiraobs saxelmwifos samarTavad mTavrobasa da parlaments. pasuxismgeblobis
mqone sazogadoebas verc
parlamenti da verc mTavroba kontrolidan ver gaeqceva. xolo sazogadoebas,
romelsac araferze ar surs
pasuxismgeblobis aReba, misive daqiravebuli xelisufleba iolad moajdeba
Tavze.
_ Tqven acxadebT, rom
saqarTveloSi isev
mkvidrdeba socialuri
apaTia. ganmarteT, ras
gulisxmobT da ra
migaCniaT amis mizezad?
xom ar fiqrobT, rom
es apaTia ufro metad
TviTgvemaa, sakuTari
`iluziuri
molodinebis~ gamo?
arevasa da mRvrie wyalSi
Tevzis iolad daWeras, rac
sruliad ar aris gasakviri.
da es mxolod saqarTveloSi
ar xdeba. meore mxriv, Cven
viciT agresiulobiTa da
radikaluri midgomebiT
gamorCeuli politikosebi
da sazogadoebrivi figurebi, romlebsac ver uwodeb
cxovrebaSi an profesiaSi
xelmocaruls. es maTi cxovrebis wesidan da mentalitetidan modis. bolo cxra
weli xom yvelani vxedavdiT,
rogor ar cnobda aranair
civilizebul oponirebas xelisuflebaSi myofi da Zalauflebis uzurpatori
erTi politikuri Zala, ra
epiTetebiT moixseniebdnen
isini oponentebs da rogor
miiTvises WeSmaritebis bolo
instanciis mflobelis ufleba. maTi wasvlis Semdegac
gamoCnda asparezze xalxi,
visac msgavsi Tvisebebi axasiaTebs.
_ Tavi davaneboT Cvens
Tundac or faqts _ 17
maissa da minareTis
Temebs gagaxsenebT. Cven
miCveulebi varT `Savi
katis~ Zebnas `bnel
oTaxSi~, rodesac is iq
ar aris, anu mizezebis
sxvisTvis gadabralebas.
amas imitom vambob, rom
arc erT SemTxvevaSi
dasaxelebuli faqtebidan
konkretulma
sazogadoebrivma Tu
moqalaqeTa jgufebma
aranairi pasuxismgebloba
sakuTar Tavze ar aiRes
da xelisufleba `bewvis
xidze~ gaatares. rogor
fiqrobT, sad gadis
sazogadoebis
pasuxismgeblobis
zRvari, anu sad iwyeba
da sad mTavrdeba is?
_ bnel oTaxSi iq armyofi
Savi katis Zebnis frazam kidev
erTxel gamaxsena epoqaluri
mniSvnelobis filmi `monanieba~, romlis gmirebi da antigmirebi bevr dRevandel realur personas magoneben. 17
maisis movlenebma, sxvaTa
Soris, kidev erTxel dagvanaxa, ra xarisxiTaa polar-
maisisa da Welas minareTis
movlenebi saTanadod ar
aris gamoZiebuli da bevri
ram ar viciT. magram es
calke sakiTxia. mTavaria,
ramdenad pasuxismgeblobiT
aRsavse iyo sazogadoebis
reaqcia. moqalaqeTa mxolod
Zalian
mcire
jgufma
gaaprotesta 17 maisi da amiT
erTgvari pasuxismgebloba
aiRo. Tumca gaixseneT, ra
pirobebSi mouwiaT amis gakeTeba _ policiis sammagi
kordonis alyaSi, rom Zaladobis msxverpli ar gamxdariyvnen. radganac sazogadoebis umravlesobam 17 maiss
momxdars gamarTleba mouZebna an ubralod wauyrua,
xelisuflebac Sesabamisad
moiqca da saCoTiro epizodi ubralod Cafarcxa.
sazogadoebis pasuxismgeblobis zRvari gadis iq, sadac iwyeba sakuTari moqalaqeobriobis, uflebebisa
da movaleobebis gacnobiereba, romelsac sazogadoeba
_ diax, samwuxarod, vxedav
amis niSnebs. Tumca es Cemi
subieqturi aRqmaa da marTlac asea Tu ara saqme da
ramdenad Rrmad wavida socialuri apaTia, amaze, albaT, fsiqologebma, sociologebma unda mogvaxsenon TavianTi kompetenturi azri. me
mgonia, rom Cveni sazogadoebis didi nawili, ZiriTadad
ufrosi da saSualo Taoba,
ver gamovida im travmidan,
rac maT komunisturi sistemis msxvrevis Sedegad miiRes.
Cemi azriT, socialuri apaTiis erT-erTi mizezi gaxda
sazogadoebis uunaroba, momzadebuli Sexvdes cvlilebebs da gaxdes maTi aqtiuri
monawile. rodesac adamianebi grZnoben, rom sxvadasxva
mizezebis gamo ar ZaluZT
cvlilebebis ferxulSi CaerTon, mxolod mcire nawili
poulobs sakuTar TavSi
gardaqmnis unars. umetesoba
ki apaTiaSi vardeba da cdilobs ara aqtiuri cxovre-
biT, aramed, ubralod,
suldgmulobiT gaaTrios
wuTisofeli. yvelani vicnobT Cvens garemocvaSi aseT
adamianebs. ra Tqma unda,
TviTrealizaciis SeuZleblobam da iluziebisgan
ganxibvlam, romelic sazogadoebis garkveul nawils Seexo, aseve, Seasrula Tavis
roli. socialuri siduxWiris garda, kidev erTi
mizezi socialuri apaTiisa,
Cemi azriT, samoqalaqo ganaTlebis simwirea. CvenTan
problema kidev isaa, rom
sazogadoebis socialuri
apaTiiT kargad sargebloben
avantiuristi politikosebi.
_ gavlilma orma
aTeulma welma
TvalnaTliv dagvanaxa,
rom xelisuflebebis
cvlilebis Semdeg
sazogadoebis calkeuli
jgufebi pasiur
mdgomareobaSi gadadian.
Cemi subieqturi
SefasebiT amis mizezi
isev merkantiluria,
calkeuli personebi Tu
sazogadoebrivi
gaerTianebebi garkveul
dromde gamorCenis
reJimSi gadadian da
maTi aRSfoTeba iwyeba
im dros, rodesac
mixvdebian, rom isini
aravis sWirdebian. amis
mere iwyeba axali
patronis Zebna,
msoflmxedvelobis
`Secvla~. ramdenad
sworia formulireba _
mivceT dro axal
xelisuflebas? dro,
romelic, Cveni mware
gamocdilebidan
gamomdinare, mere isev
Cvens winaaRmdeg
muSaobs...
_
Camoyalibebuli
demokratiis mqone saxelmwifoSi,
riskenac
Cven
miviswrafviT, axlad mosul
xelisuflebas yovelTvis
eZleva gonivruli dro,
romlis gasvlis Semdegac
misgan ukve iTxoven dapirebebis Sesrulebas. Cvennair
problemur saxelmwifoSi
aseTi gonivruli vadebis
dadgena cota rTulia. Tumca es sulac ar niSnavs imas,
rom axali xelisuflebis
mosvlidan weliwad-naxevris
gasvlis Semdeg sazogadoeba
utyvi molodinis reJimSi
unda imyofebodes. amiT is
daTvur samsaxurs gauwevs mis
mierve arCeul xelisuflebas. amitomac rac meti iqneba saqmiani da kompetenturi
kritika miT ufro metad
dafiqrdeba xelisufleba,
rom xalxis ndoba usazRvro
ar aris.
17
17
axali ambebi
Sss-m qrTamis aRebis
faqtze erTi piri
daakava
samarTaldamcavebma
ekonomikisa da mdgradi ganviTarebis saministros ssip
saxelmwifo qonebis erovnuli saagentos imereTis,
raWa-leCxumisa da qvemo svaneTis momsaxurebis saagen-
tos mTavari konsultanti
Teimuraz Salikiani qrTamis
aRebis faqtze daakaves.
gamoZiebam daadgina, rom
Teimuraz Salikianma Tanamdebobrivi ufleba-movaleobebis Sesrulebisas, Tavisi
Tanamdebobrivi avtoritetis gamoyenebiT, q. quTaisSi
mdebare, yofili „sagrenaJo
qarxnis” teritoriis (6500
kv.m) da masze ganTavsebuli
Senoba- nagebobebis auqcionis wesiT SeZenaSi daxmarebis sanacvlod, moqalaqes qrTamis saxiT 600 000 aSS dolari mosTxova.
gamoZieba qrTamis aRebis
faqtze
mimdinareobs
(saqarTvelos ssk-is 338-e
muxlis me-3 nawilis ,,e” qvepunqtiT, rac 11-dan 15 wlamde Tavisuflebis aRkveTas
iTvaliswinebs).
erT TveSi, sabanko
seqtorSi
ganTavsebuli
arasabanko
depozitebis
moculoba 2.4 %-iT
Semcirda
sabanko seqtorSi ganTavsebuli arasabanko depozitebis moculobam 2014
wlis pirveli TebervlisaTvis 9.4 mlrd lari Seadgina, rac 232.6 mln lariT
anu 2.4 procentiT naklebia
2014 wlis pirveli ianvrisaTvis arsebul maCvenebelze. ianvarSi, wina TvesTan
SedarebiT, adgili hqonda
moTxovnamde depozitebis
Semcirebas 368.1 mln lariT
anu 8.2 procentiT da vadiani depozitebis zrdas 135.5
mln lariT anu 2.6 procentiT.
vadian depozitebze saSualo wliurma Sewonilma
saprocento ganakveTma 6.2
procenti Seadgena, maT
Soris erovnuli valutiT
ganTavsebul depozitebze 8.8 procenti, xolo ucxouri valutiT ganTavsebul
depozitebze - 5.3 procenti.
ucxouri valutiT ganTavsebul depozitebSi aSS
dolaris wilma 80.1 procenti, xolo evros wilma 17.0
procenti Seadgina.
axali ambebi
18 premieri
daviT avaliSvili
xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
obama RaribaSvils SeeCexa
a
merikis
SeerTebul
StatebSi
samuSao vizitis
dros,
premierministri
irakli RaribaSvili
TeTr saxlSi viceprezident jo baidens
Sexvda.
saubrisas,
`
`
`
`
`
amerikelebma winaswar
mianiSnes qarTvel
kolegebs (maT Soris
RaribaSvilsac, ra Tqma
unda), rom barak obama
SeiZleba Semosuliyo,
Tumca SeiZleba arc
Semosuliyo. amgvari
miniSnebebi yovelTvis
iseTi formiT keTdeba,
rom winaswar gaxmaureba
sariskoa: mereda, rom
ar Semovides, es xom
bevrad uaresia?
ar Sexvedria arc
prezident saakaSvils da
arc prezident
SevardnaZes. maT Tu
xvdebodnen, xvdebodnen
ovalur kabinetSi.
premier-ministr
RaribaSvilTan
Sexvedris faqtis
dasafiqsireblad ki
aseT diplomatiur Jests
mimarTes, rac SeiZleba
Seuracxmyofeli ar
iyos, magram mainc
arcTu sasiamovnoa.
`
proeqtisadmi da
gansxvavebiT
SevardnaZisgan, romlis
loialobaSi
amerikelebs eWvi ar
eparebodaT `berlinis
kedlis~ dangrevidan,
`ocnebis~ xelisufleba
da amJamindeli
mmarTveli gundi
vaSingtonisTvis
metismetad axali da
(rac mTavaria) ucxo
xilia. anu, jer
bolomde ver
`
amerikis prezidenti,
misi rangidan
gamomdinare, rogorc
wesi, xvdeba mxolod
rangiT Tanaswor
figurebs. gamonaklisi
SeiZleba iyos, magram
mxolod regionuli
zesaxelmwifoebis
(ruseTi, safrangeTi,
TurqeTi da a.S)
SemTxvevaSi.
`
am TvalsazrisiT `TeTri
saxlisTvis~
miuRebeli,
seuli forma.
aqve darwmunebiT SeiZleba
iTqvas:
`
amerikaSi pirveli
vizitiT ara premierministri, aramed
prezidenti rom
gamgzavrebuliyo, obama
(Tu saerTod eqneboda
Sexvedris survili,
pirveli mizezidan
gamomdinare) mas
srulyofilad
Sexvdeboda ovalur
kabinetSi da ara
`
oficialuri Sexvedra
`ovalur kabinetSi~ premierministrsa da prezidents
Soris ar igegmeboda, vizitis
programiT gaTvaliswinebuli
ar yofila, Tumca obamam da
misma mrCevlebma CaTvales,
rom Sexvedris faqti mainc
dasafiqsirebeli iyo.
amerikaSi es, zogadad,
miRebuli praqtikaa. amgvar
diplomatiur
Jests
amerikelebi arcTu iSviaTad
mimarTaven xolme, rodesac
imis demonstrireba sWirdebaT, rom jer ar gadauwyvetiaT, rogor daiWiron Tavi ama
Tu im partniorTan da, saerTod, ramdenad seriozulia
is.
magram aqve
`
SegaxsenebT: am
formiT amerikis
prezidenti arc erTxel
gogiuri argumenti: `raki
qveynis realuri mmarTveli
premier-ministria da is iRebs
gadawyvetilebebs, amitom molaparakebebic realuri gadawyvetilebebis mimRebma unda
awarmooso~
ra iseTi molaparakebebi
unda ewarmoebina premier-ministrs da ra sakiTxebi unda
gadawyvetiliyo am vizitisas?
xom yvelas gvesmis,
rom vizitica da TeTr
saxlSi Sexvedrebic
wmindad simboluri
xasiaTisa iyo. da gana
ar sjobda, es simbolo
mainc yofiliyo
srulyofili, anu
amerikisa da
saqarTvelos
saxelmwifos meTaurTa
Sexvedra swored
`ovalur kabinetSi~,
protokolisa da
programis Sesabamisad
Semdgariyo?
oTaxSi
`moulodnelad~ TeTri
saxlis namdvili
mepatrone _ amerikis
prezidenti barak obama
Semovida.
amTaviTve unda iTqvas,
rom sinamdvileSi,
araferi `SemTxveviTi~ aq
ar yofila.
amerikelebma moindomes,
`daedgaT~, rogorc
viTomsiurprizi
vinmesTvis,
Torem saxelmwifo ministr
aleqsi petriaSvils, romelic amerikaSi didi xnis ganmavlobaSi muSaobda da
udavod kargi diplomatia,
kidec wamoscda `rusTavi 2~ze pirdapiri CarTvisas: `mTlad
moulodneli
ar
yofilao~.
anu
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`ocnebis~
liderTa
dRevandeli gancxadebebi
RaribaSvil-obamas Sexvedris
`istoriulobis~ Taobaze komikurad hgavs wina da imis wina
xelisuflebis ideologTa
gancxadebebs _ wmindad simboluri kontaqtebis `udidesi mniSvnelobis~ Sesaxeb.
rodesac amJamindeli, maxinji da konfliqtogenuri
sakonstitucio modelis avtorebs eubnebodi, rom es
gaurkvevloba qveyanas wvrilman da msxvilman problemebs
Seuqmnida, isini Clungad imeorebdnen erTsa da imaves:
`asea safrangeTSi... franguli
modeli... da a.S. verafriT
Seasmendi, rom saqarTvelo
aris patara, sawyali, susti
qveyana, romelsac, pirvel
rigSi, sWirdeba sagareo mxardaWera _ usafrTxoebis
Tundac mwiri garantiebis
mosapoveblad, xolo amgvari
gaurkvevlobebi da TiTqosda
`wvrilmanebi~ mas mxolod
damatebiT problemebs Seuqmnida. miT umetes, qarTuli
xasiaTisa da ambiciebis
gaTvaliswinebiT.
bolos da bolos, ra,
`
da mainc: Tu Sexvedra undodaT, ra uSlidaT xels,
programaSi CaesvaT? anu
amerikelebma `saSualedo
varianti~ airCies. sakiTxavia:
ratom?
amas ori mizezi SeiZleba
hqondes.
pirveli:
`
gansxvavebiT
saakaSvilisgan,
romelmac jer kidev
`vardebis revoluciiT~
daafiqsira Tavisi
loialoba dasavluri
garkveulan, mainc ra
unda am xalxs da Tavad
ra pozicia daikavon,
`
raTa isev metismetad ar
Setopon qarTul problemebSi, Tumca xelic ar hkran
bolomde – `ra ici, ra xdeba~ da saqarTvelos `derefani~ raSi dasWirdeT. miT
umetes, qarTuli kontingenti 2014 wlis Semdegac apirebs
darCenas avRaneTSi, rac
amerikelebisTvis mniSvnelovania.
meore SesaZlo mizezi ki
(albaT, ufro metad arsebiTi, vidre pirveli) isaa, rom
gaugebari, ucnauri da saCoTiroa viTareba, rodesac,
marTalia, saqarTvelos prezidenti sayovelTao kenWisyriTaa arCeuli da saxelmwifos
meTauria, marTalia, qveynis
umaRles mTavarsardlad iTvleba, marTalia, erovnuli
uSiSroebis sabWos formirebis ufleba aqvs, marTalia,
vetos uflebasac inarCunebs,
marTalia, parlamentis daTxovna SeuZlia, magram mTavari
qveyanaSi mainc premier-ministria da ara prezidenti.
rogorc Cans, swored am momentma gamoiwvia Sexvedris
amgvari, arcTu mTlad Rir-
SemTxveviT, romeliRac
oTaxSi. imitom, rom
sayovelTao kenWisyriT
arCeuli saxelmwifos
meTauri misi rangis
figuraa, miuxedavad
saqarTvelosa da
amerikis prezidentTa
`woniTi kategoriebis~
sxvaobisa.
`
Zneli misaxvedri ar aris,
rom aq, isev da isev, piradma
ambiciebma iTamaSa gadamwyveti roli – vin pirveli
gaemgzavreboda amerikaSi.
gamaognebelia briyvul-dema-
qveyana daiqceoda,
`ovalur kabinetSi~
amerikis
prezidentisTvis
simbolurad xelis
CamosarTmevad
prezidenti
margvelaSvili Tu
gaemgzavreboda? Tu
erTmaneTs ar
elaparakebian da ver
mouyveboda mere
kolegebs im Sexvedris
Sinaarss? miT umetes,
araferi gansakuTrebuli
Sinaarsi ar hqonda da
arc eqneboda nebismier
SemTxvevaSi, ganurCevlad
imisa, sad Sedgeboda es
simboluri Sexvedra:
`ovalur kabinetSi~ Tu
sadme sxvagan.
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#08 (025)
premieri
xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
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`aravin unda mieces iluziebs, rom es iyo RaribaSvilis, an
romelime individis mimarT pativiscema. es iyo Sexvedra
saqarTvelos premier-ministrTan, vinc ar unda iyos is~
aleqsi nozaZe
p
remiers~
saqarTvelos
reformebis
asociaciis
(GRASS)
xelmZRvaneli
sergi kapanaZe
esaubra:
_ sergi, mogesalmebi,
rogorc iqna, 2012 wlis
1-el oqtombris Semdeg
saqarTvelos axali
xelisufleba `TeTr
saxls~ ewvia. ramdenad
mniSvnelovania
strategiul partniorTan
am formatSi
ganaxlebuli dialogi
Cveni qveynisTvis?
`
_ Zalian mniSvnelovania.
saqarTvelos
xelisuflebis umaRlesi
pirebis regularuli
vizitebi vaSingtonSi da
amerikis umaRlesi
pirebis regularuli
vizitebi TbilisSi xazs
usvams imas, rom or
qveyanas Soris
strategiuli
partnioroba
viTardeba.
`
amitom, premieris viziti
vaSingtonSi mniSvnelovania.
aseve, mniSvnelovania, rom
premierma
Sexvedrebi
umaRles doneze gamarTa da
prezidentsa da vice-prezidents Sexvda. marTalia, es
ar iyo srulfasovani Sexvedra prezidentTan, magram
mainc Zalian kargia, rom es
viziti ase male Sedga misi
gapremierebidan. zogadad ki,
unda gvaxsovdes, rom Cvensa
da aSS-s Soris arsebobs
strategiuli partniorobis
qartia, romelic gulisxmobs
weliwadSi erTxel mainc
oTxi samuSao jgufis Sexvedris Catarebas da erT e.w.
omnibusis tipis Sexvedras,
rodesac saxelmwifo mdivnis
doneze, an ufro maRal doneze xdeba ara mxolod individualuri liderebis Sexvedra, aramed ufro farTo
formatSi, mTeli rigi uwyebebis warmomadgenlebTan erTad. axla mniSvnelovania,
rom
omnibusic
male
Catardes. SarSan, rogorc
viciT, omnibusi ar gamovida,
mxolod samuSao jgufis Sexvedrebi Catarda.
_ is, rom saqarTvelos
premierisa da aSS-is
vice-prezidentis
Sexvedras barak obamac
SeuerTda,
erTmniSvnelovnad
pozitiuri signalia.
magram es signali,
yvelaferTan erTad,
aris damafiqrebelic, anu
realurad mxardaWeris
dafiqsirebis garda, ras
niSnavs, vin iyo amis
adresati da a.S. anu
modiT, es momenti
avxsnaT diplomatiur da
politikur WrilSi.
_ aseTi formatis Sexvedra
arcTu ise iSviaTia, rogorc
wesi. am SemTxvevaSi aSS-m
daafiqsira, rom RaribaSvilis mTavari maspinZeli viceprezidenti iyo, Tumca prezidentma gamoxata saqarTvelos mimarT pativiscema da
Sexvedraze ramdenime wuTiT
Seiara. es kargi Jestia da
aseTi tipis Sexvedrebi arcTu iSviaTad imarTeba. pirvel rigSi, es aris saqarTvelos mimarT dainteresebis
dafiqsireba. am SemTxvevaSi
`
aravin unda mieces
iluziebs, rom es iyo
RaribaSvilis, an
romelime individis
mimarT pativiscema. es
iyo Sexvedra
saqarTvelos premierministrTan, vinc ar
unda iyos is. premieri
CvenTan ar aris
saxelmwifos meTauri,
amitom masTan
prezidentis Sexvedra
ucnauri iqneboda.
`
Sesabamisad, aseTi saintereso
formati
iqna
mofiqrebuli. amaSi araferi
gasakviri da ucnauri ar
aris. es imaze metyvelebs, rom
saqarTvelo amerikisTvis kvlavac mniSvnelovani strategiuli partnioria da TanamSromloba
grZeldeba,
rogorc aqamde iyo.
_ aSS-s araerTxel
gamouTqvams madliereba
saqarTvelos mimarT,
Tundac ISAF-is
-is
programaSi Cveni
monawileobis gamo.
gvaxsovs, ramdenad
Tavgamodebulad
ibrZola buqarestis
samitis win jorj buSma
da misma gundma CvenTvis
-is mosaniWeblad.
MAP-is
SeiZleba vivaraudoT,
rom wlevandeli weli,
asocirebis
xelSekrulebis
xelmoweris
paralelurad,
mniSvnelovani iqneba
natoSi integraciis mxriv
da obamas daintereseba
saqarTvelos sakiTxiT
qmediTi da efeqturi
aRmoCndeba evropel
partniorebze _
gansakuTrebiT
safrangeTsa da
germaniaze pozitiuri
zemoqmedebisTvis?
_ prognozi umaduri
saqmea. Cveni partniorebis
okupacias da rom
saqarTvelos situacia
did problemad rCeba
aSS-ruseTis
urTierTobebSi.
`
es ufro kargi gzavnili
iqneboda CemTvis, vidre is,
rom aSS miesalmeba ruseTTan
urTierTobebis normalizebas. miT umetes, rom am normalizebas didi perspeqtiva
ar aqvs, sanam is okupirebul
teritoriebs ar Seexeba.
sergi kapanaZe:
`xelisufleba cdilobs, aSS-sTan
urTierTobebSi is momentebi gaapiaros,
romlebic Cavardnas Seavsebs~
Tavdadeba da aqtiuroba
pirdapir kavSirSia Cvens aqtiurobasTan. Cveni mxridan
yvela resursis mobilizebis
gareSe, aravis imedi ar unda
gvqondes. 2008-Sic, buqarestis samits win uZRoda wlebisa da Tveebis muSaoba, maT
Soris, umaRles doneze. maSin,
samwuxarod, is Sedegi ver
miviReT, rac gvindoda, magram miviReT natoSi gawevrianebis piroba, rac aseve
Zalian kargi Sedegi iyo. samwuxarod, arc Tu saukeTeso
piarma da yvela Temis politizebam aqcia maSindeli Sedegi dacinvis sagnad.
`
yvelas gvaxsovs `MAPze ukeTesis~ cneba. am
dros, is, rac maSin
miviReT, marTla
ukeTesi iyo, vidre is,
rasac vgegmavdiT. im
etapze becma
politikosebma, maT
Soris, opoziciidan,
arCies, es Sedegi
dacinvis obieqtad
gaexadaT, nacvlad imisa,
rom qveynis SigniT
konsensusisTvis SeewyoT
xeli evroatlantikuri
integraciis Sesaxeb.
`
magram es warsulia. axla
mniSvnelovania, rom dRevandelma
xelisuflebam,
rogorc minimum, iseTive Zalisxmeva gaiRos MAP-is misaRebad, an sxva alternatiuli
meqanizmisa, rom natos kidev
ufro davuaxlovdeT. amas
vaSingtonSi erTi viziti namdvilad ar eyofa. amas sWird-
eba mTeli diplomatiuri korpusis Zalisxmeva, sruli
mobilizacia, yvela doneze
gzavnilebis harmonizacia.
samwuxarod, es jer ar xdeba,
arada dro garbis.
_ erT-erTi mTavari
mesiji, romelic
xelisuflebam mogvawoda,
aris is, rom obama
miesalmeba saqarTvelos
Zalisxmevas ruseTTan
urTierTobis
normalizebisTvis.
TiTqos vinme eloda,
rom aSS-s prezidenti
gvetyoda, araviTari
normalizeba, omi
daiwyeTo. rogor
fiqrobT, ratom
gamoitana xelisuflebam
es misiji erT-erT
umTavres gzavnilad?
_ es marTlac saintereso
dakvirvebaa. samwuxarod, xelisuflebas uxdeba Tavdacvis
reJimSi yofna ruseTTan sagareo politikis gamo, rac
ori ramiT aris ganpirobebuli. pirvel rigSi,
`
ruseTTan
warmoebuli sagareo
politika da dialogi
aSkarad kargavs
popularobas qveynis
SigniT, imis gamo, rom
ruseTis mxridan
saqarTvelo araviTar
sapasuxo nabijs ar
iRebs.
`
Cvens calmxriv nabijebs
ruseTis mxridan mxolod axali mavTulxlarTebi mohyveba. xalxi amas xedavs. aRdgenili ekonomikuri urTierTobebi da vaWroba ki kargia,
magram, ara mgonia, amas didi
mniSvneloba hqondes mosaxleobisTvis. saSualovadian perspeqtivaSi ki SeiZleba sazaraloc iyos qveynisTvis, Tu
ruseTze damokidebulebis
xarisxi gaizrdeba, rasac ukve
calsaxad vxedavT. 60%-iT
gazrdili mobiloba ruseTSi, embargos wina doneze dabrunebuli vaWroba ruseTTan
da Rvinis mwarmoeblebis sruli redireqtireba rusul
bazarze amisi samwuxaro indikatorebia. meore mizezi ki
isaa,
`
rom opozicia
kargad iyenebs
mTavrobis ruseTTan
urTierTobebSi
warmoqmnil sisusteebs
da amaze kapitalizebas
axdens. Cemi azriT,
olimpiadaSi
monawileoba didi
Secdoma iyo da
xelisuflebis reitings
ziani miayena.
`
am yvelafris gamo, bunebrivia, xelisufleba cdilobs, aSS-sTan urTierTobebSi is momentebi gaapiaros,
romlebic am Cavardnas
Seavsebs. amitom, ar aris
gasakviri, rodesac xazi
swored imas esmeba, rom ruseTTan dialogs gviwonebs aSS.
gulwrfelad getyviT,
`
is ufro
gamixardeboda, am
Sexvedraze aSS-s
mxridan gacxadebuliyo,
rom aSS ar Seegueba
_ piradad me
visurvebdi, rom
obamasTan Sexvedris
mTavari gzavnili
yofiliyo teritoriuli
mTlianoba da imave
ruseTisgan deokupaciis
moTxovna. xelisuflebam
vaSingtonSi mxolod
borderizaciaze
daiwuwuna da TeTri
saxlis derefnebidan
Semogvapara, rom 11kilometriani `soWis
usafrTxoebis~ zoli
ruseTis sakuTrebaSi
darCeba. rogor
fiqrobT, obamabaidenTan Sexvedrisas
ramdenad sworad
gakeTda aqcentebi
qveynisTvis
umniSvnelovanes sakiTxze
_ deokupaciaze?
_ aqcentebis Sesaxeb jer
informacia ar maqvs. vimedovneb, rom swori aqcentebi
gakeTda da premierma miunxenis Secdoma ar gaimeora.
Tumca aq ufro momzadebuli iqneboda premieri, radgan sagareo saqmeTa ministri
da evropuli da evroatlantikuri integraciis ministris axlda.
`
am vizitze mTavari
gzavnilebi unda
yofiliyo natos samiti
da saqarTvelos
gawevrianeba, ruseTze
zewolis gagrZeleba
deokupaciis mizniT,
saqarTvelosa da aSS-s
Soris rac SeiZleba
male Tavisufali
vaWrobis
xelSekrulebis
amoqmedeba da aSS-sTan
Tavdacvisunarianobis
kuTxiT
TanamSromlobis
gaRrmaveba.
`
es aris oTxi mTavari sakiTxi, romelic nebismier
dros unda gvqondes aSS-is
umaRles xelisuflebasTan.
bunebrivia, kidev bevri mniSvnelovani Temaa, magram im
mcire xanSi, romelic premiers aSS-is prezidentma
dauTmo, amaze mets ver
moaswrebdnen. imedia, es sakiTxebi daisva.
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ZiriTadi tendencia
ukrainis Zebnili prezident
zurab RoRoberiZe
r
aSi unda
sWirdebodes
normalur
adamians
oqros
unitazi?
arada, swored aseTi
hqonda viqtor
ianukoviCs niJegories
rezidenciaSi, romlis
privatizebac
`gaaimasqna~ mas Semdeg,
rac prezidentad
airCies. iqve, imave
rezidenciaSi ipoves
ferweruli tilo
misi portretiT.
Turme SiSveli
pozirebda. me Sen
getyvi da
miqelanjeloseuli
daviTis torsi
hqonda _ meuRlis an
mravalricxovan
`geiSaTa~ buduarebSi
daekida.
magram oqros unitazi
mainc raRac sxvaa. marTlac, ramdenad paTologi unda iyo, masSi... siamovnebas ganiWebdes?
`
ase rogor hgvanan
erTmaneTs es uideo
da `lbili
diqtatorebi~, ginda
postsabWour sivrceSi,
gnebavT mTel
msoflioSi? amitomac
Zrwoda SurisZiebis
SiSiT da amitom
acxovrebda
`politpatimar~ iulia
timoSenkos orientsiuitis klasis sakanSi
xarkovis zonaze.
`
sxvaTa Soris, arc stalins, arc hitlers oqros
unitazebi ar hqoniaT, magram arc aravisi eSinodaT.
orives yvelaferi SeiZleba daabralo, amis garda.
arada, rom moendomebinaT,
briliantebiT mooWvili
platinisac eqnebodaT. samagierod, TavianT mowi-
naaRmdegeebs cixeze apartamentebs ki ar uwyobdnen,
gatyavebuli RorisTvis
gankuTvnil
kauWebze
hkidebdnen Savbnel bunagebSi.
es istoriis erT-erTi
paradoqsia.
winaaRmdegobrivi informacia vrceldeba imasTan dakavSirebiT, gasca Tu
ara ianukoviCma srulyofili Zalis gamoyenebis
brZaneba. faqtia, bolo
dReebSi specdaniSnulebis
razm `berkuts~ cecxlsasroli iaraRi namdvilad
dauriges, magram isic faqtia, rom qveyanaSi sagangebo mdgomareoba ar gamoacxada. Tumca, zogierTi
simptomi metyvelebs, amas
apirebda, oRond generaluri Stabis ufrosi moulodnelad gadadga postidan. albaT, ar daeTanxma sagangebo mdgomareobis gamocxadebas. armiis
gareSe ki es ar gamovidoda.
`
* * *
ukrainelebma
saocari
organizebuloba,
Segneba, Tavganwirvis
unari, maSasadame,
umaRlesi
saxelmwifoebrivi
pasuxismgebloba da
kultura
gamoamJRavnes.
amitomac miiRo isini
dasavleTma da
aRiara - raki
pirveli
safrTxisTanave
Cafsmuli
kurdRlebiviT ar
gaiqcnen da realuri
msxverpli gaiRes
TavianTi
Rirebulebebisa da
idealebis
gansaxorcieleblad.
`
yovelive danarCeni ki,
anu mTeli es diplomatiuri rautebi, molaparakebebi, evropel ministrTa
vizitebi mxolod formaloba iyo:
`
veranairi
SeTanxmeba da
garantiebi ver
gadaarCenda
ianukoviCs, Tu am
SeTanxmebebsa da
garantiebs `maidani~
ar daeTanxmeboda.
swored maT
gamoamJRavnes neba da
evropel SuamavalTa
`troikas~ Tavze
gadaaxies ianukoviCis
kabinetSi
xelmowerili
SeTanxmeba. amiT kidev
erTxel dadasturda,
rom yvelafers neba
wyvets politikaSi.
`
2008 wels rom dasavleTs igive neba SeemCnia,
SemdgomSi aseTi gulgrili
ar
iqneboda,
rogoric aris, magram
saqmec esaa, rom ver dainaxa. piriqiT, FOXnews da
CNN ganuwyvetliv atrialebdnen eTerSi samarcxvino kadrebs, rogor miuZRoda foTisken rusul
satanko kolonas qarTuli
sapatrulo policiis manqana misi mravalferi maSuqebiT, xolo jer goris,
Semdeg xaSurisa da Tbilisisken
daZruli
analogiuri kolonebis
Sesaxeb reportaJs refrenad gasdevda gulisgamawvrilebeli: no resistance... no resistance... no resistance...
`
* * *
maidanma~ gatexa
xelisufleba,
romelic sadRac
SuaSi iyo gaCxerili
aRmosavlel
fadiSahTa `lbil
tiraniasa~ da
komunistur kiCs
Soris.
`
marto avtomobilebis
koleqcia
rad
Rirs,
romelic imave niJegorieSi ipoves. bolos aseTi
koleqcia leonid breJnevs
hqonda. ianukoviCma marTla takimasxarasaviT daasrula politikuri moRvaweoba: aRmoCnda, rom is
rusebsac ar sWirdebaT,
raki Zala ver gamoiyena.
`ar gamoiyena~ ki ara, `ver
gamoiyena~.
Sedegad, msoflio politikurma gamocdilebam da
istoriam SeiZina unikaluri magaliTi: Zebnili
prezidenti! bolo dromde ianukoviCis adgilsamyofeli aravin icoda. zogierTi cnobiT, yirimSi
gaiqca. sxvebi amtkicebdnen, _ rusuli marTlmadidebeli eklesiis erTerT monasters Seafara
Tavio. metad simboluri
faqtia: netav, ruseTis sasuliero xelisufleba
rogor gaaformebs mis
`CaSvebas?~ arada, rom
`CauSveben~, eWvs ar iwvevs:
aba, sad gagonila realuri
konfliqti `Savanaforianebsa~ da `oqrospagonebianebs~ Soris? lubiankas
gareSe lamis asi welia,
arc erTi seriozuli gadawyvetileba ar miuRiaT.
`
ilocos
ianukoviCma, im
`xuTvarskvlavian
sakanSi~ mainc Casvan,
sadac TviTon gaamwesa
iulia timoSenko.
Tumca Zalze saeWvoa,
raki mas `maidani~
gamoutans ganaCens da
ara romelime
politikosi.
`
* * *
amasobaSi, kvlav aqtualuria ukrainis, rogorc
erTiani saxelmwifos SenarCunebis Tema. ruseTma
ukve aSkarad daiwyo
pasportebis darigeba yirimSi. SeiZleba Tu ara, movlenebi samxreT oseTis
scenariT warimarTos? albaToba arsebobs, magram am
scenars Tu rame uSlis
xels, is garantiebia, rasac
ianukoviCis erT-erTma
winamorbedma, ukrainis sabWoTa socialisturi respublikis yofilma komunisturma liderma (diax, diax,
ck-s pirvelma mdivanma)
leonid kravCukma miaRwia
1991 wlis Semodgomaze.
bevrisTvis moulodneli
iqneba, magram swored leonid kravCukis poli-
tikurma niWm
Seqmna viTare
ruseTs ukve a
seriozuli g
gareSe Seexos
verenitets.
saqme isaa, r
rodesac sabW
iSleboda d
mokavSire re
damoukidebl
ades, ameriki
Statebsa da
pirvel rigSi
daT, sabWoT
iaraRi ramden
va prezident
momxvdariyo
birTvuli iar
ruseTs gadas
ara, swored a
`
prezi
ukrainaS
r
mo
damoukid
gamoecxa
sabWo
SeenarCuneb
bevrs da
moeCve
marTl
amerikeleb
`birTvul
mxolod
yofil
erT
ramd
damo
sa
ded
formalur
arsenali isev
oT teritori
iT ruseTs, u
lorussa d
rogorc yof
armiis sxva
gaiyves. rogo
Tad, ukrain
ruseTma gaiyv
floti. magra
es kategoriu
obda. dasavl
`Rilaki~ erT
da isic – ru
am dros uk
arCeulma pre
`
leoni
udidesi
giorgi margvelaSvilis
ZiriTadi tendencia ratom unda ufrTxod
kviridan kviramde
kviridan kviramde
kviridan kviramde
kviridan kviramde
kviridan kviramde
kviridan kviramde
rti,
2014
#08
(025)
premieri
#08 (025)
27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
xuTSabaTi,
kviridan kviramde
kviridan kviramde
kviridan kviramde
kviridan kviramde
21
kviridan kviramde kviridan kviramde
ZiriTadi tendencia
ti da misi oqros unitazi;
ma da alRom
eba, rodesac
aRar SeuZlia
garTulebebis
s ukrainis su-
rom 1991 wels,
WoTa kavSiri
da yofilma
espublikebma
loba gamoacxs SeerTebul
dasavleTs,
i, is aRelvebTa birTvuli
nime sxvadasxtis xelSi ar
o. anu mTeli
raRi elcinis
scemoda. is ki
am mizeziT,
identi buSi,
Si yofnisas,
mokavSire
respublikebs
ouwodebda,
debloba ar
adebinaT da
oTa kavSiri
binaT! dRes
aujereblad
eneba, magram
la ase iyo:
bs erCivnaT,
li Rilaki~
d moskovSi
liyo da ara
Tdroulad
denime axali
oukidebeli
axelmwifos
aqalaqSi.
`
ad, birTvuli
ve unda gaeyiuli principukrainas, bea yazaxeTs,
fili sabWoTa
SeiaraReba
orc, magalinam da imave
ves Savi zRvis
am vaSingtons
ulad ar awyleTs erCivna,
Ti yofiliyo
useTSi.
krainis axlad
ezidentma,
id kravCukma
ostatobiT
warmarTa
diplomatiuri TamaSi
da miaRwia imas, rom
gaformda oTxmxrivi
SeTanxmeba ruseTs,
amerikas, did
britaneTsa da
sakuTriv ukrainas
Soris, romliTac
samma qveyanam ukrainis
suverenitetisa da
teritoriuli
mTlianobis
garantoba ikisra.
`
mxolod am pirobiT gadasca kievma ukrainis teritoriaze ganTavsebuli
birTvuli iaraRi ruseTs.
arada, atomuri bombi ra,
mas awyenda? is bombi da
balistikuri raketebi
swored ukrainis sabWoTa
istebliSmentisa da mecnierebis mier iyo Seqmnili
stalinis dros.
Tu dRes ruseTi am garantiebs daarRvevs, yirimSi jars Seiyvans, separatizms xels Seuwyobs, es im
SeTanxmebis uxeSi xelyofa
iqneba, romlis garantorebi amerika da didi britaneTi arian. isini valdebulni iqnebian (rogorc ar
unda ezarebodeT), ruseTs
upasuxon da reagirebac
moaxdinon agresiaze. amitom
`
moskovi Seecdeba,
`fardis miRma~
darCes da separatizmi
iseve gaaRvivos, iseve
Cumad moamaragos
sxvadasxva resursebiT
(maT Soris iaraRiT),
rogorc
saqarTvelos
SemTxvevaSi, raTa
problema `ukrainasa
da yirims Soris
konfliqtad~
gaasaRos. aseve,
`saqarTvelosa da
samxreT oseTis
konfliqtad~
asaRebdnen Cvens
oms.
`
magram saqmec isaa, 50milioniani ukrainis SemTxvevaSi,
romelmac,
amasTanave, sazRvrebze
sruli kontroli SeinarCuna, es bevrad gauWirdebaT, vidre saqarTveloSi.
miT umetes, ukrainelTa
TvalsaCino brZolisunarianobisa da TavganwirvisTvis mzadyofnis gaTvaliswinebiT.
* * *
Cvens qveyanaSi ki mTavari movlena prezident
margvelaSvilis yovelwliuri State of the nation gaxda. ufro zustad, ara
TviT moxseneba, romelic,
rogorc Cans, TviTon dawera da ara vinmes daawerina (arada, Zalian cdeba, Tu
hgonia, rom spiCraiteri
saWiro ar aris, raki wera
exerxeba), aramed mTavrobis demarSi:
`
ministrTa kabineti
maTive Tanablokeli
prezidentis pirvel
saparlamento
gamosvlas ar
daeswro!
`
TavisTavad esaa mniSvnelovani da ara gamosvlis Sinaarsi. margvelaSvils araferi axali ar
uTqvams. samagierod,
`
misi gamosvla iyo
pasuxi irakli
RaribaSvilis
demarSze, romelic
daaxloebiT imave
mizezebiTaa
gamowveuli, rac
erovnuli uSiSroebis
sabWos alternativad
erovnuli
usafrTxoebis sabWos
Seqmna. uwindel
TbilisSi amas
`pravebis kaCavi~ erqva
– universitetis
baRSi
pirvelkurselebi rom
`pravebs akaCavebdnen~
avtoritetisa da
`palaJeniis~
dasamkvidreblad.
`
amboben: `prezidenti
simboluri
figuraa,
arafers wyvets, arafers
xelmZRvanelobs, aranairi
uflebamosileba ar gaaCnia
da ministrTa kabineti ratom unda daswrebodao~.
jer erTi, asec rom
iyos, anu prezident margvelaSvilis uflebamosileba didi britaneTis
dedoflisas romc ar
aRematebodes, institutisadmi elementaruli pativiscemis gamoxatulebaa:
misi udidebulesoba britaneTis dedoflis yovelwliur saparlamento moxsenebas premier-ministri
wers. ufro zustad, misi
romelime
`Crdili~
(rogorc
dasavleTSi
uwodeben referentebs).
amis miuxedavad, weliwadSi
erTxel, rodesac saxelmwifos meTauri lordTa
palatas ewveva xolme, premieric da mTeli kabinetic palatis karTanaa atuzuli,
sawyaloblad
akakunebs, uSveben da fexze
mdgomni ismenen meTauris
sityvas. imitom, rom (vimeoreb) es institutisa da
saxelmwifoebriobisadmi
pativiscemis gamoxatulebaa.
Tu amdeni ar esmis Cvens
mTavrobas – Zalian cudadaa qveynis saqme.
kidev ufro sagulisxmo
da mniSvnelovania, rom
`
mTavrobam Tu ase gaagrZela misi ignorireba, adre
Tu gvian, aucileblad gamoaCens klanWebs.
`
aq arsebiTia TviT
giorgi
margvelaSvilis
pirovneba, misi
fsiqoportreti.
margvelaSvili ar
aris Cveulebrivi
biurokrati, an `qarTu
bankis~ klerki,
romelsac daniSnav da
moxsni, an iolad
`daaCmoreb~ da
gudurad aqcev:
sakmaod TavisTavadi
da pativmoyvarec
Cans.
`
rac meti dro gava, is
sul ufro aqtiurad Seecdeba, realuri Zalaufleba konstituciur statuss Seusabamos da adgili
daimkvidros, `sityva eTqmodes~, rac, rogorc minimum, imas niSnavs, rom
mTavrobasa da mmarTvel
koalicias yvela gadawyvetilebas ar `dauStam-
sinamdvileSi,
saqarTvelos
dRevandeli
prezidentis
uflebamosileba arc
ise simboluria,
rogorc britaneTis
monarqisa.
`
SemTxveviTi rodia, rom
CamoTvala kidec: prezidenti aris umaRlesi mTavarsardali, anu armia
swored mas emorCileba da
ara premiersa da Tavdacvis samoqalaqo ministrs; prezidents aqvs vetos ufleba, ese igi nebismier
dros SeuZlia, Zalian seriozulad da Sorsmimavali SedegebiT Caerios parlamentis (mmarTveli koaliciis) saqmianobaSi da
gavrcelda kidec xmebi,
rom margvelaSvili erTerTi kanonproeqtis vetirebas apirebda. amJamad
Tavi Seikava, magram,
pavs~.
`
Cveulebrivi
vereli `Zveli biWia~
didi inteleqtualuri
ambiciiT da imas ki
namdvilad
moaxerxebs, rom arc
sakuTari Tavi da arc
prezidentis instituti
anekdotebis Temad ar
aqcios.
xolo is, Tu ra
SeuZlia prezidents
(Tundac axali
konstituciiT) sul
male gamoCndeba, _
pirvelive seriozuli
gaugebrobisas
`ocnebaSi~ raime
strategiuli
gadawyvetilebis an
mniSvnelovani
kanonproeqtis
Taobaze.
`
s gafrTxileba - vin da
des `verel Zvel biWs?~ ZiriTadi tendencia
kviridan kviramde
kviridan kviramde
kviridan kviramde
kviridan kviramde
kviridan kviramde kviridan kviramde
22 premieri
axali ambebi
irakli RaribaSvili:
qarTul media
Tavisufalia
politikuri
zegavlenisgan
aSS-s atlantikur sabWoSi
gamosvlisas premier-ministrma
saqarTveloSi demokratiis konsolidaciis kuTxiT wingada-
dgmul nabijebs gausva xazi.
,,Cven aRmovfxveriT elitaruli korufciis, fulis
gaTeTrebisa da biznesze
mTavrobis wnexis mavne praqtika; arsebiTi reformebi
ganxorcielda marTlmsajulebis seqtorSi sasamarTlos
damoukideblobis uzrunvelsayofad - am Zalisxmevis Sedegad sasamarTlo TandaTan
ibrunebs qarTuli sazogadoebis dakargul ndobas.
Cven Zalian kargad gvesmis,
rom damoukidebeli sasamarTlo sistema es aris nebismieri
demokratiis
qvakuTxedi; amitom yovel
Rones vxmarobT imis uazrunvelsayofad, rom sasamarTlo reforma mTavrobis mier
ganxorcielebul reformebs
Soris iyos yvelaze Tanamimdevruli da mkacri. „ - ganacxada RaribaSvilma.
premieri adamianis uflebebsa da mediis Tavisuflebasac Seexo: ,,saqarTvelom
mniSvnelovani nabijebi gadadga viTarebis gasaumjobeseblad adamianis uflebebis
kuTxiT,
umciresobaTa
uflebebis CaTvliT. xolo,
rac Seexeba qarTul medias,
is iseTive Tavisufalia
politikuri zegavlenisgan,
rogorc nebismier sxva
demokratiul sistemaSi. „ aRniSna premierma.
xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
`partiebi imitom ikaveben Tavs Sedegebis
gasajaroebisgan, rom arc erTi maTganisTvis
warmateba, anu reitingis mateba ar ikveTeba~
givi xaWapuriZe:
`saxelisuflebo
Zala kvlevebis
gasajaroebas ar
moaxdens da
aqtiuri PR-kampaniiT ar
dakavdeba~
aleqsi nozaZe
p
remiers~ PR
sakonsultacio
jgufis
direqtori
givi
xaWapuriZe
esaubra:
goga onians
aRmkveTis
RonisZiebas 20 000lariani girao
Seefarda
axali ambebi
IRI qmnian. amJamad ra
mdgomareobaa am mxriv?
_ saprezidento arCevnebis Semdeg sazogadoebrivi
azris kvleva praqtikulad
ar gasajaroebula. bolos
kvleva `erovnul-demokratiulma institutma~ Caatara,
romlis Sedegebi gasuli
wlis 20 dekembers gaxda cnobili. kvlevis Sedegebis
Tanaxmad,
liderobda
`qarTuli ocneba~, meore
adgils inarCunebda `nacionaluri moZraoba~, xolo mesameze
`demokratiuli
moZraoba _ erTiani saqarTvelo~ (nino burjanaZe) aRmoCnda. sagulisxmoa, rom es
kvleva
saprezidento
arCevnebidan 2 kviris Semdeg
Catarda.
NDI-s
monacemebiT,
`qarTul ocnebas~ 61%-iani
reitingi hqonda, `nacionalur moZraobas~ _ 9%, xolo
nino burjanaZes _ 2%. Tu am
monacemebs saprezidento
arCevnebze damdgar Sedegebs
SevadarebT, yvelaze did
cdomilebas `nacionaluri
moZraobisa~ da `demokratiuli moZraoba _ erTiani
saqarTvelos~ SedegebSi aRmovaCenT.
saprezidento
arCevnebze `nacionaluri
moZraobis~ kandidatma xmaTa
22% miiRo, xolo nino burjanaZem _ 10%. NDI-s kvlevebSi nino burjanaZis reitingi
cdomilebis niSnuls ar cdeba, xolo `nacionaluri
moZraobis~ reitingi 10%-iT
gansxvavdeba arCevnebis Sedegebisgan. sainteresoa, ratom
iyo aseTi cdomileba kvlevaSi, miT umetes, rom qarTul
realobaSi es pirveli SemTxveva ar aris.
_ kvlevebSi cdomileba
Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTloSi mimdinare procesze advokat goga onianis
aRmkveTis RonisZiebas 20 000lariani girao Seefarda.
giraos gadaxdamde oniani
patimrobaSi darCeba.
SegaxsenebT, rom onians
gamoZieba sami muxliT edaveba: mtkicebulebaTa gayalbeba, uflebamosilebis gadameteba da dakaveba. prokuratura procesze onianis dakavebas iTxovda.
#08 (025)
_ qarTul politikur
sinamdvileSi erTi
ucnauri tendenciaa,
sociologia qarTvel
politikosebs mxolod
arCevnebis win
sWirdebaT. qarTuli
sociologiuri
kompaniebi ki,
faqtobrivad, kvlevebs
ar atareben da wlidan
wlamde politikur
suraTs mxolod NDI da
axsene da ra aris amis
mizezi?
_ sazogadoebas kargad
axsovs 2012 wlis saparlamento arCevnebamde Catarebuli
sazogadoebrivi azris kvlevis Sedegebi, sadac `nacionaluri moZraobis~ ualternativoba ikveTeboda, Tumca
realoba absoluturad gansxvavebuli aRmoCnda kvleviTi organizaciebis monacemebisgan. amis mizezi is gaxldaT, rom garkveuli faqtorebis gamo Catarebuli
kvleva sazogadoebis realur ganwyobas ar asaxavda.
rodesac respondentTa 40%ze meti ar afiqsirebs, vis
miscems xmas, es Zalian cudi
Sedegia da kvlevis Catareba
safuZvels moklebulia.
kvleviTi organizaciebis
mier gamoqveynebuli Sedegebis prezentirebisas aqcenti
mxolod reitingebze keTdeboda. aravin saubrobda
#08 (025)
premieri
xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
imaze, gamokiTxulTa ramdenma procentma Tqva uari,
konkretul kiTxvaze epasuxa.
Sesabamisad,
Sedegebis
gamocxadeba praqtikulad
propagandis saxes atarebda.
_ geTanxmebi,
saprezidento arCevnebis
egzitpolis dros Cvenc
davdeqiT am realobis
winaSe da sociologebis
erTi jgufi gvimtkicebda,
rom saerTod
absurduli iyo Sedegis
gamocxadeba im
pirobebSi, rodesac
respondentebis 40-ze
metma Tavi aarida
pasuxebis gacemas. ratom
ikaveben Tavs
respondentebi
gamokiTxvebSi
monawileobisgan?
_ yvelas kargad gvaxsovs
mosmenebis instituti. es mosazreba imdenad gavrcelebuli iyo sazogadoebaSi, rom
lamis sakuTar ojaxis
wevrebsac ki umalavdnen
politikur Sexedulebebs. Sesabamisad,
interviuers,
romelic moqalaqis karze
daakakunebda da mas gamokiTxvaSi monawileobis miRebas
sTxovda, an uariT istumrebdnen, an aragulwrfeli
pasuxebiT Semoifarglebodnen. interviuerebis mier
dafiqsirebuli urTierTgamomricxav pasuxebsa da sakontrolo kiTxvebSi es kargad Cans. dRes mdgomareoba
Secvlilia da respondentebi ufro gaxsnilebi arian,
Tumca es sakiTxi kvlevebSi
isev mniSvnelovan problemad
rCeba.
_ ramdenad efeqturad
iyeneben saqarTveloSi
kvlevis Sedegebs?
_ gamomdinare iqidan, rom
miRebuli monacemebi mxolod propagandisTvis gamoiyeneboda, ZiriTadad xdeboda im Sedegebis gaSuqeba,
romelic momgebiani iyo maSindeli xelisuflebisTvis.
gansakuTrebiT, roca saubari
iyo patrulis reformaze,
sasamarTlos damoukideblobaze, qveynis kursze da a.S.
Tu cotas CavuRrmavdebodiT, aRmovaCendiT, rom
Sedegebis mixedviT mosaxle-
oba ukmayofilo iyo gadasaxadebiT,
socialurekonomikuri pirobebiT,
umuSevrobiTa da mravali
sxva sakiTxiT, magram qveynis
arCeuli kursis mimarT
gamoxatavda dadebiT ganwyobas. respondentma kargad
icoda, rom ruseTi iyo mteri
da aSS _ partniori. aqedan
gamomdinare,
sakiTxebi,
romelic maSindeli xelisuflebisTvis arapopularuli
iyo, ar sajarovdeboda da
apelireba swored im TemebiT
xdeboda, rac PR-is TvalsazrisiT momgebiani gaxldaT.
rodesac kvlevebi tardeba, ris Sedegadac problemebis identificireba xdeba, xelisufleba maT mogvarebaze
unda gaxdes orientirebuli.
es unda iyos kvlevis mizani.
`nacionaluri moZraoba~
kargad axerxebda propagandas, Tumca aRmoCnda, rom
problemebis mogvarebaze
sabolood Tqva uari, rac
arsebobis fasad daujda 2012
wels.
organizaciebis
raodenoba kvalificiuri
sociologebis
raodenobas aRemateba.
_ wina periodSi, gansakuTrebiT saarCevno wleb-
Si uamravi e.w. kvleviTi organizacia Cndeboda. gansakuTrebuli siuxve 2013
wlis arCevnebSi vixileT. gaocebuli
davrCi,
roca
arCevnebamde ramdenime dRiT
adre `axalgazrda sociologebma~ warmoadgines kvleva,
sadac
`leiboristuli
partiis~ saprezidento kandidati 31%-iT meore adgilze mogvevlina. sad SeiZle-
arCevnebi gvelodeba.
axla ra procesebi
mimdinareobs am mxriv?
_ saintereso procesebi
viTardeba saprezidento
arCevnebis Semdeg. sazogadoebrivi azris kvleva
praqtikulad ar sajarovdeba. aSkaraa, rom
kvlevebiT manipulireba
veRar xerxdeba, radgan,
savaraudod, arc Tu saxarbielo Sedegebia. Tu
davakvirdebiT `nacionaluri moZraobis~ moqmedebebs, maTgan aSkarad igrZnoba, rom sazogadoebis
ganwyobas
sistematurad swavloben
da amas sxvadasxva aqtivobebiT Cveul reJimSi
asajaroeben. realurad
isini sakuTar eleqtorats inarCuneben. maTi
raodenobis gazrda rTuli sakiTxia, Tumca SenarCuneba _ sasicocxlod
mniSvnelovani.
rac Seexeba `qarTul
ocnebas~, is tradicias
ar Ralatobs da im
dadebiT
Sedegebze,
romelsac sazogadoebis
nawili Riad afiqsirebs, ar
saubrobs. unda vivaraudoT,
rom saxelisuflebo Zala
tradiciebis erTguli TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebzec
darCeba, kvlevebis gasajaroebas ar moaxdens da aqtiuri PR-kampaniiT ar
dakavdeba.
`qarTuli ocnebis~ liderobaze iribad miuTiTebs
Tundac mTavari opoziciuri
partiis~
lideri,
gia
gaCeCilaZe, romelmac sul
ramdenime dRis win datova
umravlesoba da partia `momavali
saqarTvelos~
lideri, giorgi laRiZe. sxva
kandidatebi arc erT politikur Zalas ar dausaxelebia. mTavari opoziciuri
Zalis mxridan, savaraudod,
kidev kargaxans ar dasaxeldeba kandidatebi, raTa
PR-kampaniis warmoebis saSualeba hqondeT. bolo periodSi naTlad vxedavT, rom
yofili xelisuflebis yvela
Tanamdebobis piri, romelic
xelisuflebam sxvadasxva
braldebiT daakava, arCevnebSi monawileobis kandidati
`aRmoCnda~. arada, maTi mxridan ukve meore welia, amomrCevels esmis, rom arCevnebSi monawile subieqtebs mxolod praimerisis gziT gamoavlenen.
arasaparlamento opozicia marTavs konsultaciebs
erTiani kandidatebis warmosadgenad TviTmmarTvelobis
arCevnebSi. maTi gaerTianebac
im kvlevebis SedegebiT unda
iyos ganpirobebuli, romelsac, wesiT, unda atarebdnen.
gaerTianebis survili namdvilad dadebiTi movlenaa,
magram, sainteresoa, ramdenad gaumklavdebian pirvelobis ambicias. aqvs Tu ara
azri maT gaerTianebas?! amomrCeveli, winasaarCevno periodSi Seqmnili gadametebuli
molodinis gamo `qarTuli
ocnebis~ mimarT ganawyenebulia, Tumca mxardaWeras
23
maCvenebeli. savaraudod,
partiebi imitom ikaveben Tavs
Sedegebis gasajaroebisgan,
rom arc erTi maTganisTvis
warmateba, anu reitingis
mateba ar ikveTeba. `nacionaluri moZraoba~ imiT aris
kmayofili, rom mesame politikuri Zala ar arsebobs. Sesabamisad, is ualternativoa
da SesaZlebloba aqvs, rig
TviTmmarTvelobebSi moipovos gamarjveba. es Sansebi erTi
orad izrdeba TviTmmarTveli qalaqebis matebis kvalobaze.
_ TviTmmarTvelobis
arCevnebSi politikuri
subieqtebis orientiri
partiaa Tu calkeuli
kandidati?
_ dRes rom kvleva CavataroT, sazogadoebis orientiri unda iyos ara konkretuli kandidati, aramed partia. partiuli niSniT kvlevis Catareba am konkretul
SemTxvevaSi ararelevanturia, radgan, Tu konkretuli kandidati adgilobrivi
amomrCevlisTvis miuRebeli
iqneba, aman SesaZlebelia,
partias reitingi daukargos.
aqedan gamomdinare, vfiqrob,
axla politikur ZalebSi
reitinguli kandidatebis
SerCevis procesi mimdinareobs da maTi dasaxeleba kvlevebis safuZvelze moxdeba.
mniSvnelovania, aRiniSnos,
rom am konkretul arCevnebSi sociologiis warmoeba
TviTmmarTvelobis
erTeulebSi moxdeba. imisTvis,
rom sazogadoebas realuri
_ gamoricxulia, rom
dRevandeli
xelisufleba ar
atarebinebdes kvlevebs,
magram sazogadoebam,
faqtobrivad, araferi
icis arc am kvlevebisa
da arc Sedegebis Sesaxeb.
_ dRevandeli xelisufleba kvlevebis gasajaroebas
saerTod ar axorcielebs.
kargia, roca ici sazogadoebis ganwyoba, masze ar manipulireb da problemebis mogvarebas cdilob; es idealuri variantia. magram im
propagandistul
omSi,
romelic gaCaRebuli hqonda
da
aqvs
`nacionalur
moZraobas~, sadac gasaTvaliswinebelia nino burjanaZis
faqtoric, romelmac mniSvnelovani resursebi CarTo
saprezidento arCevnebSi, miiRebs ki sazogadoeba racionalur gadawyvetilebas?!
rTulia amis prognozireba.
_ ras ityvi Tavad
sociologiur
organizaciebze. mgoni,
saqarTveloSi aseTi
boda Catarebuliyo kvleva,
rom msgavsi Sedegi damdgariyo, ar vici.
rogorc mogaxseneT, 2013
weli warmoadgenda yvelaze
uxv wels sociologiis propagandaSi. is PR kampaniis
erT-erT mTavar iaraRad aqcies da mravali iseTi Sedegi gamoqveynda, romelic
amomrCevels Tavgzas ubnevda. am kampaniis Sedegi, realurad iyo is, rom sazogadoeba sul ufro da ufro
nihilisturad
ganewyo
arCevnebis mimarT. nacvlad
imisa, rom kvlevebs realuri
ganwyoba eCvenebina, man praqtikulad ganapiroba amomrCevelTa saxlSi darCena.
_ win TviTmmarTvelobis
Zalis mxridan reitingebis
gaumJRavnebloba. savaraudod, maT xelT arsebuli
Sedegebi imdenad aramomgebiania, rom propagandis warmoebis saSualebas ar iZleva.
winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, isini
am cdunebas ver gauZlebdnen
da xmamaRla isaubrebdnen
imaze, rogor ecema `qarTuli ocnebis~ reitingi.
_ rogor fiqrob,
ramdenad imoqmedebs
reitingebze
xelisuflebis
oponentebis dakaveba
winasaarCevno periodSi?
_ dResdReobiT cnobilia
mxolod Tbilisis merobis
saxelisuflebo kandidati,
daviT narmania, `mwvaneTa
mainc afiqsirebs. am fonze
realuri Sedegebi marTlac
sainteresoa; miT umetes,
rodesac gamokveTili araa
kandidatebi da saarCevno
kampania ar dawyebula.
_ mokled, mainc ambob,
rom Sida kvlevebs yvela
Zala atarebs da
gansakuTrebiT
opoziciisTvis ar aris
saxarbielo misi
Sedegebis gamoqveyneba?
_ am droisTvis SesaZlebelia, vivaraudoT, rom reitingebis gasajaroeba ar xdeba misi arasaxarbielo Sedegebidan gamomdinare. lideri
rom qarTuli ocnebaa, amaze
aravin kamaTobs, magram sainteresoa
procentuli
warmodgena hqondes, vin aris
TviTmmarTvel erTeulSi favoriti,
reprezentacia
swored raionul doneze
unda ganxorcieldes. sxva
Sedegebis gasajaroeba mxolod tendenciis maCvenebeli iqneba da kvlav sazogadoebis azrze zemoqmedebis
iaraRad iqceva.
Zalian sainteresoa kvlevis Catareba maSin, rodesac
ukve yvela politikuri Zala
daasaxelebs Tavis kandidats.
mniSvnelovania pirveli reaqcia. magaliTad, rogor Sexvdeba Tbilisis mosaxleoba
ama Tu im kandidatis dasaxelebas da Semdgom rogor Seicvleba konkurentebis reitingebi.
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sakrebuloebi
xaTuna xatiaSvili
s
aarCevno
kodeqsSi
cvlilebebis
paketis
parlamentSi
damtkicebis
Semdeg, prezidenti
giorgi margvelaSvili
xels moawers
gankargulebas, ris
safuZvelzec 15 ivniss
qveyanaSi adgilobrivi
arCevnebi unda
gaimarTos. giorgi
margvelaSvilma
arCevnebis TariRi
parlamentSi moxsenebiT
gamosvlisas daasaxela
da misi winaswar
gaJRerebis motivi imiT
axsna, rom politikurma
Zalebma, saarCevno
sadamkvirveblo
misiebma, sazogadoebam
arCevnebisTvis mzadeba
droulad daiwyon.
arCevnebTan dakavSirebuli sakanonmdeblo cvlilebebis paketi parlamentma
pirveli mosmeniT ukve miiRo,
ris safuZvelzec adgilobriv arCevnebze 12 qalaqSi
merebi da yvela municipalitetSi
gamgeblebi
pirdapiri wesiT airCevian.
ZiriTad cvlilebebs
Soris aris: pirvel turSi
merebisa da gamgeblebis
asarCevad 50%-iani barieris
SemoReba, municipalitetebSi
sakrebulos proporciuli
sistemisTvis barieris 4%mde Semcireba; proporciuli
mandatebis raodenobis gazrda da partiebisTvis damatebiT gazrdili saxelmwifo
dafinansebis meti meqanizmi.
`nacionaluri moZraobidan~ deputaciam uari Tqva
sakanonmdeblo cvlilebebis
konkretuli paketis detalur ganxilvaze da sanacvlod, saparlamento tribuna
imisTvis gamoiyena, rom kidev
erTxel gaesva xazi, zogadad,
saarCevno garemosTan dakavSirebuli pretenziebisTvis.
`nacionaluri moZraobis~
wevris, pavle kublaSvilis
ganacxadebiT, marTalia, sakanonmdeblo iniciativiT
umjobesdeba ramdenime norma, magram saarCevno garemo
ar aris mxolod kanonmdebloba. opoziciis kandidatebis, winaswari patimrobis
Sefardebis
gziT,
saarCevno
kampaniisTvis
CamoSorebis procesma SeiZleba gamoiwvios is, rom,
saboloo jamSi, arCevnebis
legitimacia seriozuli
kiTxvis niSnis qveS dadges.
saparlamento opoziciis
gareSe miRebuli gadawyvetilebis mixedviT, cvlilebebi Semdegnairad gamoiyureba:
saarCevno barieri
TviTmmarTvelobis axali
`qarTuli ocneba~ da `nacionaluri
moZraoba~ mxolod politikuri
reklamisTvis biujetidan
360 aTas lars daxarjaven
kodeqsis miRebamde Tbilisi
erTaderTi qalaqi iyo
saqarTveloSi, sadac meri
pirdapiri wesiT airCeoda
30%-iani barieriT, rac imas
niSnavs, rom gamarjvebulad
cxaddeboda is kandidati,
romelic sxvebze met xmas
miiRebda, Tumca, aranakleb
30%-isa.
koalicia `qarTuli ocnebis~ winadadeba iyo, rom
merebis asarCevad barieri
TbilisSi da danarCen 11
qalaqSi 40%-iani yofiliyo,
gamgeblebisTvis ki _ 33%; am
SemoTavazebas kategoriulad ewinaaRmdegebodnen
arasaparlamento opoziciuri
partiebi
da
arasamTavrobo organizaciebis jgufi.
`qarTuli ocnebis~ wevrebis ZiriTadi argumenti gaxldaT is, rom ufro maRali
barieri meore turis met
Sanss aCenda, rac, Tavis mxriv,
finansur danaxarjebs gazrdida. `qarTuli ocnebis~ iniciativa parlamentSi wardgenili cvlilebebis proeqtSi
ukve asaxuli iyo, roca premier-ministrma
irakli
RaribaSvilma ganacxada, rom
`qarTuli ocneba~ merebisa
da gamgeblebis asarCevad
50%-iani barieris SemoRebaze dasTanxmda.
merebTan da gamgeblebTan erTad, amomrCevlebi ivnisSi Tbilissa da aTobiT
TviTmmarTvel
municipalitetSi sakrebuloebsac
airCeven.
marTalia,
municipalitetebSi sakrebulos
proporciuli sistemisTvis
barieris Semcireba da partiuli mandatebis raodenobis gazrda dawesda, magram,
saerTo jamSi, sakrebuloebis arCevis sistema ZiriTadad
igive rCeba.
parlamentis msgavsad,
sakrebuloebis wevrebsac
Sereuli sistemiT, nawils _
maJoritaruli wesiT, nawils
ki partiuli siiT airCeven.
arsebuli kanonmdeblobiT, partia, an saarCevno
bloki, romelic adgilobriv
arCevnebze konkretul olqSi, sul cota, 5%-s moipovebs, SeZlebs sakuTari wevrebis Seyvanas Sesabamisi municipalitetis sakrebuloSi. es
barieri TbilisSi 4%-s Seadgens.
SemoTavazebuli proeqti
ki regionebSi, Tbilisis msgavsad, am barieris 5%-dan
4%-mde dawevas iTvaliswinebs.
sakrebuloebis maJoritari wevrebis erTmandatian
olqebSi arCevis principi
SenarCunebulia moqmedi
kanonmdeblobis farglebSi:
kandidati, romelic yvelaze
met xmas daagrovebs, pirvelive turSi cxaddeba gamarjvebulad.
proporciuli da maJoritaruli adgilebi sakrebuloebSi
amJamad, proporciuli
sistemiT gamoyofili adgilebis raodenoba sakrebuloebis umetesobaSi 10-s
Seadgens. gamonakliss warmoadgens ramdenime qalaqi,
maT Soris Tbilisi, sadac
partiuli siiT gamoyofili
adgilebis raodenoba 25-ia,
xolo darCenili 25 adgili
maJoritarebs ekuTvniT. zogierT qalaqSi, maT Soris,
quTaisSi, baTumsa da rusTavSi proporciuli sistemiT
gamoyofili
adgilebis
raodenoba 15-ia.
SemoTavazebuli proeqti
sakrebuloebis umetesobaSi
proporciuli
sistemiT
gamoyofili adgilebis 10dan 15-mde gazrdas iTval-
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iswinebs. maJoritaruli mandatebis raodenoba gansxvavdeba municipalitetSi Semavali dasaxlebebis odenobis Sesabamisad.
TviTmmarTvel qalaqebSi
adgilebis gadanawilebis
wesi proporciuli da maJoritaruli sistemiT arCeul sakrebulos wevrebs
Soris ucvleli rCeba.
Tbilisis sakrebulos kvlav
50 adgili eqneba (25 _ maJoritari; 25 _ proporciuli).
15 adgili darCeba proporciuli sistemisTvis da 10
maJoritaruli sistemisTvis
quTaisis, rusTavisa da baTumis sakrebuloebSi. 10 proporciuli da 5 maJoritaruli adgili darCeba foTis,
Telavis, mcxeTis, goris, ax-
alcixis,
ambrolauris,
ozurgeTisa da zugdidis
sakrebuloebSi. am qalaqebis
merebi pirvelad airCevian
pirdapiri wesiT ivnisSi
dagegmil
adgilobriv
arCevnebze.
cvlilebebis paketze
momuSave interfraqciuli
jgufis
xelmZRvanelis,
proeqtis erT-erTi debulebis Tanaxmad, pirs ekrZaleba merobis, an gamgeblis
kandidatad
yofna
da
imavdroulad sakrebulos
`qarTuli ocnebis~ deputatis zviad ZiZiguris gancxadebiT, sakrebuloebis umetesobaSi partiuli siiT
asarCevi adgilebis raodenobis gazrdis Sedegad, maTi
saerTo raodenoba TiTqmis
gauTanabrdeba maJoritaruli adgilebis raodenobas.
mandatisTvis brZola. arasaparlamento opoziciuri
partiebi ewinaaRmdegebian am
debulebas. isini miiCneven,
rom maTi mwiri adamianuri
resursebis pirobebSi, es debuleba ar miscems maT saSualebas, bevr olqSi daasaxelon kandidatebi.
vis SeuZlia
kandidatebis
dasaxeleba
dafinanseba
erT-erTi sadavo sakiTxi,
romelzec
arCevnebze
damkvirvebeli bevri organizacia amaxvilebs yura-
dRebas, aris SemoTavazebuli
proeqtis is debuleba,
romelic damoukidebel kandidatebs merad, an gamgeblad kenWisyris uflebas ar
aZlevs.
25
arCevnebis dRes partiisTvis
TiToeul warmomadgenelze
gansazRvruli aqvs 100 lari
_ saubno komisiaSi da 150
erT-erTi moqmedi meqanizmis
Sesabamisad, `qarTuli ocnebisa~
da
`nacionaluri
moZraobisTvis~, romlebmac
lari
_
saolqo
saarCevno komisiaSi.
proeqti am dafinansebis 50 lariT gazrdas
iTvaliswinebs.
amJamad, am dafinansebis miReba mxolod
im partiebs SeuZliaT,
vinc bolo saparlamento, an adgilobriv
arCevnebze xmebis, sul
cota, 3% damoukideblad, an sxva partiebTan erTian blokSi
moipova.
proeqti
iTvaliswinebs, rom dafinansebis es sqema im partiebTan mimarTebaSic
iqnas gamoyenebuli,
romlebic aRniSnul
kategoriaSi ar Sedian.
amasTanave, patara partiebi am sqemiT mxolod im SemTxvevaSi
isargebleben, Tuki
erT saarCevno blokad
gaerTiandebian da maTi xmebis saerTo raodenoba bolo
saparlamento, an adgilobriv arCevnebze 2%-s Seadgens.
saxelmwifo dafinansebis
2012 wlis saparlamento
arCevnebze saukeTeso Sedegebi aCvenes, saxelmwifo biujetidan 2014 wels 600 000
laria gamoyofili TiToeulisTvis. es dafinanseba
yovel saarCevno wels ekuTvnis im politikur gaerTianebebs,
romlebmac
garkveul Sedegs miaRwies
bolo arCevnebSi.
es ori politikuri partia valdebulia, am Tanxis,
minimum, 15% gamoyos fasiani
politikuri reklamis ganTavsebisTvis, sul cota, Svid
regionul
satelevizio
arxze, rac niSnavs, rom am
ori politikuri Zalisgan,
minimum, 180 000 lari regionul televiziebSi miemarTeba.
is regionuli televiziebi,
romlebic am sqemiT `qarTul
ocnebasa~ da `nacionalur
moZraobas~ TavianT saeTero
dros politikuri reklamisTvis mihyidian, valdebuli
iqnebian, ufaso saeTero dro
gamouyon im ramdenime patara
partias, romlebmac SarSan,
saprezidento arCevnebis win,
erTjeradi saxelmwifo dafinanseba miiRes.
arsebuli SemoTavazebis
Tanaxmad, partiebi, an
saarCevno blokebi, romlebic
adgilobriv
arCevnebze xmebis, sul cota,
3%-s miiReben, TavianTi kam-
paniis xarjebis dasafarad
saxelmwifo dafinansebas
maqsimum 500 000 laris odenobiT miiReben.
SemoTavazeba,
aseve,
iTvaliswinebs saarCevno administraciebSi partiebis
warmomadgenlebis dafinansebis gazrdas. arsebuli wesis
Tanaxmad,
saxelmwifos
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qarTuli genis gamobrwyineba
saba metreveli
q
arTuli
Teatrisa da
kinos msaxiobi,
gamorCeuli
sulieri da
fizikuri
srulqmnilebiT,
keTilSobilebiT, niWiT
_ dodo WiWinaZe 28
Tebervals 90 wlisa
gaxdeboda. samSoblos
bedze Cafiqrebuli, misi
erTguli jariskaci da
Wirisufali iyo,
ambobda kidec: me var
qali, romelsac
survili maqvs, xelSi
iaraRi aviRo da
davicva Cemi samSoblo!
bedis nebiera iyo,
bednier varskvlavze
dabadebuli. Tu
adamianuri bedniereba
siyvarulSia, roca
giyvars da uyvarxar,
maSin dodo WiWinaZe am
iSviaT gamonaklisTa
Soris unda viguloT.
mxolod 17 roli iTamaSa
kinoSi (gamcilebeli _ `aseT
siyvarulSi~ (2006); maro mayaSvili _ `gafiTrebul
Tebervlis landSi~ (2005);
`Suri~ _ (2000); `netav aRar
iwvimos~ _ (2000); `valsi peCoraze~ _ (1992); `biliki~ _
(1987); qeTevani _ `oromtri-
alSi~ (1986); `cisferi mTebi,
anu daujerebeli ambavi~ _
(1983); `sinema~ _ (1977); dodo,
guramis coli _ `Sewyvetil
simReraSi~ (1960); eTeri _ `ninoSi~ (1959); nino _ `baSi-aCukSi~ (1956); mzia _ `ciskaraSi~
(1955); Tina _ `WriWinaSi~
(1954); eTeri _ `bednier SexvedraSi~ (1949); qeTevani _
`daviT guramiSvilSi~ (1946)
dodo
da 30-mde roli iTamaSa TeatrSi, maT Soris: ivdiTi _
`uriel akostaSi~, xaTuna _
`jariskacis qvrivSi~, varvara
karpovna _ `ezoSi avi ZaRliaSi~, medea _ `medeaSi~, ledi
ana _ `riCard mesameSi~, tufia _ `ubedurebaSi~, grafinia vronskaia _ `ana kareninaSi~, mzevinari _ `mokveTilSi~, ana batoniSvili _ `mefe
erekleSi~, zoia vasilevna _
`lamaz mamakacSi~, TinaTini _
`raikomis mdivanSi~, mzevinari _ `giorgi saakaZeSi~,
Sirini _ `legenda siyvarulze~, xaTuna _ `mTvaris
motacebaSi~... miuxedavad am
WiWinaZe - 90
arcTu mravali rolisa,
varskvlavad iqca. mas hqonda Tavisi stili, Tavad qmnida modas. rogorc lia eliava igonebda, yvela dodos
hbaZavda.
gTavazobT amonaridebs
sxvadasxva dros gamoqveynebuli interviuebidan. umjobesia, Tavad dodo WiWinaZes
davuTmoT sityva, kidev
erTxel movusminoT sayvarel
msaxiobs, ukve maradisobis
mkvidrs:
`WiWinaZeebis Ziri imereTSia, sofel WolevSi. TiTqmis
yvela Cemi winapari mowameTis
ezoSia dasaflavebuli, me ki
SildaSi
davibade
da
gavizarde. mamaCemi 1924 wlis
ajanyebis monawile iyo, kargad icnobda qaquca ColoyaSvils. roca masobrivi daxvreta daiwyo, mamac, sxvebTan erTad, SorapanTan Camoyenebul vagonSi Seagdes. maSin deda axalSerTuli hyavda, igi Cemze orsulad iyo.
ramdenime dRe amyofebdnen
xalxs vagonSi. mere gamoiyvandnen da iqve xvretdnen.
Tina mamidam (guram asaTianis
dedam) miakiTxa erT nacnobs,
maSindel `wonian~ pirs, simon
juRels, da sTxova, gaeTavisuflebina mama. manac
gulisxmiereba gamoiCina da
mama gaaTavisufles. radgan
kaxeTi ukve qariSxalgadavlili iyo, mamas iq wasvla
urCies. ase dasaxlda Cemi
ojaxi SildaSi. mama ganaTlebuli kaci iyo, brwyinvaled
laparakobda germanulad da
undoda, Svilebsac kargi ganaTleba mieRoT, soflad ki
es SeuZlebeli gaxldaT, amitom me da Cemi Zma (masze 5
wliT var ufrosi) TbilisSi
gamogvistumres deidasTan.
cota xanSi sacxovreblad
gadavediT germanel qalTan,
romelsac Svilebi ucxoeTSi
hyavda gaTxovili, TviTon ki
marto cxovrobda. lili
talmam Cvens swavla-ganaTlebas safuZvlianad mohkida xeli. misi wyalobiT
Tavisuflad vsaubrobdiT sam
enaze _ qarTulad, rusulad
da germanulad. me uzomod
madlobeli var am qalis.
swored man Caminerga saocari pasuxismgeblobisa da
Sromismoyvareobis grZnoba.
igi sul meubneboda, rom uqmad gatarebuli erTi wuTic
ki upatiebeli Secdomaa adamianisTvis, rom Sroma yvelaze didi niWia! me Sromam
maqcia msaxiobad!
zafxuls yvarelSi, Cvens
saxlSi, vatarebdiT. mamidas
mivyavdiT xolme matarebliT. matarebeli zoziniT
midioda da mTeli gza atuzuli videqi fanjarasTan,
radgan Zalian menatreboda
ded-mama, erTi suli mqonda,
rodis Cavidodi. erTxel
fanjridan yurebisas CoCors
movkari Tvali, gamixarda da
gadavwyvite, sixaruli mamidisTvis gameziarebina, magram ar vicodi, ra erqva
patara virs da movrTe yvirili: `mamida, viriSvili! viriSvili!~ mTeli matarebeli
Cems naTqvamze icinoda, me ki
ver gamego am sicilis mizezi.
sofelSi yvela eklesiuri
adaT-wesi Semonaxuli iyo.
ramdenjer gvivlia aRdgoma
dRes bavSvebs `alaTasa, balaTasas~ simReriT. mezoblebi
pawia kalaTebSi wiTel kvercxebsa da tkbileuls gviwyobdnen... Zalian miyvarda
Wiakokonoba. CamovabamdiT
did saqanelebs da kocons
Tavs vevlebodiT. maxsovs,
erTxel kaloze wavyevi bavSvebs da Sin bululSi amogangluli mivedi. mosamsaxure
gvyavda, daSa, Ronieri, mosuli gogo... oh, ra momxvda
misgan!
skola warCinebiT da-
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vamTavre da imave wels Cavabare samedicino institutSi.
mere moxda is, rasac bediswera hqvia. quCaSi nikoloz
saniSvilis dedam mipova da
Cemi bedic samudamod daukavSirda samsaxiobo xelovnebas.
`daviT guramiSvilis~ Semdeg
warmateba qarborbalasaviT
damatyda Tavs. pirvel films
sxvebi mohyva: `bednieri Sexvedra~, `WriWina~, `ciskara~,
`Sewyvetili simRera~, `nino~,
`baSi-aCuki~... Tumca, CemTvis
Teatri mainc sul sxva samyaro iyo, ufro mimzidveli da
saintereso.
giorgi SavguliZe Cemze
bevrad ufrosi iyo. `daviT
guramiSvilSi~ rom viTamaSe,
19 wlisa viyavi, giorgi ki _
37-isa. ise meqceoda, rogorc
patara bavSvs. mere ojaxebiT
davaxlovdiT. SavguliZe xom
ubadlo iyo kuriozuli
situaciis mogonebaSi?! erTxelac Sevdivar TeatrSi da
uceb dametaknen, erTi msaxiobi ar movida da Sen unda
Seasrulo misi rolio.
davibeni, radgan `kolmeurnis qorwinebaSi~ ar vTamaSobdi da arc teqsti vicodi. is
mainc miTxariT, visi roli
unda Sevasrulo-meTqi da
mipasuxes,
meRore
veriCkasio.…Zalian avnerviuldi. rogoria, scenaze
unda gavide, Tan ise, rom ar
vici teqsti. Joram damamSvida, roca unda gamoxvide
scenaze, getyvian, msvlelobisas me dagexmarebi, xolo
scenidan maSin gaxval, roca
erT adgilas giCqmeto. movida dro Cemi gasvlisa. gavedi. Jora iseT rames mekiTxeba, gonze ara var da sisuleleebs vpasuxob. xalxi kvdeba
siciliT. erTi suli maqvs,
kulisebSi davbrunde, magram
Jora igvianebs Cqmetas. mec
vdgavar Sua scenaze da simwris ofli mdis. SavguliZem
zustad 15 wuTi axarxara mayurebeli Cemze. yurSi CavCurCule, e, biWo, miCqmite da
gamiSvi
scenidan-meTqi.
rogorc iqna, damadga saSveli... marjaniSvilis TeatrSi
Cemi uaxloesi megobari medea
jafariZe iyo, adamiani,
romelic
yvelaze
sasowarkveTilsa da uimedos am
qveynisken Semoabrunebda da
sicocxles Seayvarebda. am
cxovrebaSi bevri mwarec minaxavs, magram arc erT Cems
mogonebaSi amas ar vwer. ar
minda, cudi hqondeT magaliTad axalgazrdebs.
Zalian axalgazrda ubedod gavTxovdi. sul sxva
miyvarda. roca qmrisgan wamovedi, mamakacebisadmi iseTi
undobloba gamiCnda, rom
Zalian gvian, isic Cemi biZaSvilis ZalisxmeviT, meored
vcade bedi da kidev _ oTar
egaZis wyalobiT, romelsac
saocrad Tbili damokidebuleba hqonda Cemi Zmisa da
Cveni ojaxis mimarT: amas
rogor akeTeb, dodo, codo
xaro, _ sul meubneboda da...
erTi sityviT, Cemma biZaSvilma, daTo WiWinaZem, miTxra: es
ubrwyinvalesi kaci, romelsac, Senc kargad ici, mTeli
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Tavisi cxovrebaa uyvarxar,
Cemi megobaria, axlave wamoxval da xels moawerTo.
oTaric iqve iyo. Turme, molaparakebulebi yofilan da,
marTlac, raionis mmaCis biuroSi
gamaqanes.
rom
mivediT, ixumres, eseni ZaliT
daviWireT da xelis mowera
unda gavaformoTo. imaT
kidev upasuxes: ras brZanebT,
amas erTi Tve sWirdebao. maSin oTarma megobar raikomis
mdivans, romelic biuros
sxdomas atarebda, daureka:
`es Cveni giJi dodo WiWinaZe,
rogorc iqna, qorwinebaze
daviTanxmeT. aq, mmaCis biuroSi ki, amas erTi Tve
sWirdeba, uars gveubnebiano.
raikomis mdivanma es sakiTxic biuroze gaitana, imaT
kidev erTi ambavi atexes, _
axlave moaweron xelio... ra
sasacilo kaba mecva, axlac
nobs. erTxel marjaniSvilis
TeatrSi darekes: dodo WiWinaZe saswrafod gamocxaddes `soflteqnikis~ sawyobSi
da kuTvnili traqtori waiyvanoso. yvela daibna, veravin
mixvda, raSi sWirdeboda msaxiobs traqtori. isic ki ifiqres, viRac gvexumrao, magram aRmoCnda, rom svaneTis
erT-erTi kolmeurneobis
Tavkacs dauCivlia: sofelSi
traqtori gvWirdeba haeriviT, magram CemiT verafers
gavxdio. hoda, dodo WiWinaZesac meti ra undoda, mivida
iq, sadac jer ars, piradi
keTildReoba ki ar uTxovia,
traqtori sWirdeba sofelso, _ Seupovrad dasva sakiTxi da gaWra misma sityvamac
da silamazemac!
awuxebda adamianis bedi,
yvelas megobari da mesaidumle iyo, sakuTars ki gulSi
Senaxuli maqvs. Cemi meuRle,
marTlac, ubrwyinvalesi
pirovneba, WeSmariti inteligenti da gamorCeuli
vaJkaci gaxldaT, profesiiT
inJineri; didze didi specialisti, uamravi fabrikaqarxana aqvs aSenebuli. uniWieresi kaci iyo, eqvs enaze
laparakobda, mTel msoflioSi mogzaurobda mxolod
imitom, rom enaxa da egrZno
es cxovreba... mis gverdiT,
marTlac, bednieri qali
viyavi.
gafrinda is dro, Cemi saxlis win gitariT rom mimRerodnen biWebi... wlebi midis
da silamaze sadRac qreba,
magram wlebs ufro didi ram
moaqvs
_
goniereba,
gamocdileba da, rac mTavaria, rCeba sikeTe... me cota
`gadametebuli~ qarTveli
var!.. qeTevan wamebulis STamomavali var da mjera, rac
gadagvarCens, _ esaa Cveni
rwmena!~
am rwmeniTa da siyvaruliT
icxovra dodo WiWinaZem,
icxovra didi sikeTiT, adamianis erTeulebiT, samSoblos
ukeTes momavalze ocnebiT.
Tavisi bavSvurad miamiti
bunebidan gamomdinare, exmareboda nacnobsa Tu uc-
inaxavda, aravis moaxvevda
Tavs, amitomac mowuwune
dodo WiWinaZe aravis axsovs.
erTxel Tqva: vicxovre ise,
rom
cudi
aravisTvis
gamikeTebiao.
uxaroda
kolegis warmateba, sxvisi
miRwevebi, etrfoda niWis
gamobrwyinebas. mas SeeZlo
sxvisi bednierebiT cxovreba
_ iSviaTi niWia!
dasasrul, erTi detali
leila abaSiZis mogonebidan:
`ucxoeTSi yofnis dros saocari ram SememTxva: sabWoTa
filmebis kvireulze viyavi
romSi. erT ojaxSi stumrobis dros salocav kuTxeSi
xatebis gverdiT dodos umSvenieresi suraTi davinaxe.
Cems sixaruls sazRvari ar
hqonda. es xom Cveni dodoa!
_ wamoviZaxe. mere vifiqre:
Cveulebrivi mokvdavi wmindanebis gverdiT mkrexelobaameTqi, magram aRaravis SevekamaTe, pirjvari gadaviwere da
vTqvi, _ ilocon! dae, ilocon!~
italiisa ar vici,
magram marTlac
salocav xatebad darCa
dodo WiWinaZe
qarTveli mayureblis
xsovnaSi!
28 premieri
daviT buxrikiZe
a
xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
moCurCule trusebi
rtistuli,
kino Tu
Teatraluri
skandalebiT
dRes veRaravis
gaakvirveb.
Tumca am fonzec,
sandro axmetelis
saxelobis TeatrSi
dadgmuli axali
speqtakli,
saxelwodebiT `trusebi~
garkveul skandalur
molodins mainc
aRZravs. speqtaklis
premiera 1-el da 2
marts gaimarTeba.
evropaSi ukve kargad cnobili, rusulenovani belorusi dramaturgis, pavel priaJkos piesa axmetelis Teatris scenaze, mowveulma estonelma reJisorma kalev
kudum rekordulad mokle
droSi _ 25 dReSi ganaxorciela! cxadia, axmetelis
Teatris msaxiobebTan erTad.
aRsaniSnavia, rom axalgazrda dramaturgis piesa pirvelad idgmeba saqarTveloSi.
Tamami, gamomwvevi. skandaluri da amave dros,
mZafrad socialuric _ aseTia pavel priaJkos piesa,
romlis warmodgenas minskSi,
axalgazrduli Teatrebis
festivalze didi vnebaTaRelva mohyva. amave dros,
swored `trusebma~ moutana
reJisor kalev kudus didi
warmateba (tartus ETÜ &
Vanemuise-s dramatuli stu-
diaSi
ganxorcielebuli
speqtakli).
momxibvleli, seqsualuri,
bavSvuri, odnav qarafSuta
nina provinciul qalaqSi cxovrobs da uCveulo fantaziebi aqvs _ is trusebis SegrovebiTaa dakavebuli. es
`sigiJe~, cxadia, miuRebelia
provinciis mcxovreblebisTvis, ninas lamis keTrovaniviT devnis mTeli qalaqi
da is sazogadoebis gulgrilobisa da sisastikis msxverpli xdeba.
mTavar rols _ ninas msaxiobi sofia sebiskveraZe asrulebs, romelic giorgi
lifonavas filmis (`Wama da
#08 (025)
blad winaswar zomebi ukve
miiRo da afiSaze ukve gaCnda warwera _ speqtaklze
arasrulwlovani mayurebeli ar daiSveba! ase rom,
moCurCule trusebis scenas
TeatrSi misuli mayurebeli
`gagebiT unda moekidos~,
iseve rogorc, ninas trusebisadmi faSistur, ucnaur-poetur damokidebulebas... Tu
gvinda, rom piesaSi warmoCenil provinciul qalaqs ar
davemsgavsoT,
romelic
Tavisuflebis moyvarul
gogonas lamis jvarze
gaakravs.
kalev kudu Teatris reJisori, msaxiobi da drama-
reJisori kalev kudu
skandaluri piesis premiera
sandro axmetelis saxelobis TeatrSi
seqsi~) Semdeg sakmaod popularuli gaxda axalgazrdebs
Soris. Jurnalistebma da
kritikosebma mas `qarTveli
merilin monroc~ ki Searqves.
speqtaklSi, aseve, monawileoben axalgazrda da SedarebiT Zveli Taobis msaxiobebi:
aleko alaviZe, mamuka maza-
vriSvili, Tamar beJuaSvili,
mzia taliaSvili, giorgi migriauli, giorgi WumburiZe,
gvanca kandelaki, TamTa pataSuri.
mimdinare Teatralur sezonSi es ukve meore saerTaSoriso Teatraluri koproduqciaa, romelsac axmetelis Teatri axorcielebs.
2013 wlis dekemberSi poloneli reJisoris, dariuS
ezerskis speqtaklis premieram `policia~ (slavomir
mroJekis mixedviT) TeatrSi
warmatebiT Caiara.
sxvaTa Soris, Teatris
direqciam mosalodneli
skandalis Tavidan asacile-
turgia. daamTavra talinis
Teatraluri institutis
sareJisoro fakulteti. manamde swavlobda tartus saxelmwifo universitetSi, Jurnalistikis fakultetze.
iyo ETÜ & Vanemuise _ dramatuli studiis msaxiobi,
amave dros, ITI (Teatris
saerTaSoriso institutis)
mkvlevaria 2014 wlidan.
kalev kudus speqtaklebi
monawileobda mraval saerTaSoriso Teatralur festivalze; aris araerTi Teatraluri jildos mflobeli. estoneTSi daarsebuli
aqvs axalgazrduli Teatri
theatre & Zero Theater.. iyo axalgazrda
Teatraluri
jgufis, `GROUP - 80~-is msaxiobi da reJisori. daaarsa
erTi msaxiobis Teatri.
mogvianebiT tartus studenturi Teatri, romlis direqtori, msaxiobi da reJisori
Tavad iyo wlebis ganmavlobaSi.
reJisors dadgmuli aqvs
40-mde speqtakli evropis sxvadasxva qveyanaSi. maT Soris,
andre Jidis `sawyali mijaWvuli promeTe~, semuel beketis `gaZevebuli~, `TamaSis
dasasruli~, `sunTqva~ da `momavlis gareSe~; avgust
strindbergis `sikvdilis
rokva~ da `mama~, eJen ioneskos `momavali kvercxebSi~,
`axali mobinadre~ da `martorqebi~, dostoevskis `eSmakni~, iuri elistis `dagvianebuli frena~, sara keinis `ganwmendilebi~ da `fsiqozi 4.48~,
pavel priaJkos `warmatebuli
cxovreba~ da `trusebi~.
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vin uambo konstantine
gamsaxurdias arsakiZis ambavi?!
maka svimoniSvili
RmosavleTidan
jvaris taZari
gadmoscqeris
mas,
sarkineTisa da
zedazenis
mTebis
gvirgvini,
CrdiloeTidan yazbegis
mwvervalidan yinvis
beqTarebSi CaWedili
maradJamoba~. weliwadze
meti duRda konstantine
gamsaxurdias sulSi.
lodebis am ucnauri
harmoniis Semqmnelis,
arsakiZis ambavi,
mwerlis warmodgenaSi
deddeboda, sityva xelfexs isxamda, raTa
bolos qaRaldze
gadmosuliyo, `rogorc
naTeli miTi, saukuneTa
armuridan
gadmonaJoni~.
a
kaci, romelmac konstantine gamsaxurdias arsakiZis
ambavi uambo, sveticxovlis
taZris ezoSi mcxovrebi,
wilknis episkoposi aleqsi
yofila. konstantine gamsaxurdia mxolod Tavis erTerT mogonebaSi aRniSnavs,
rom arsakiZis ambavi erTma
mRvdelma uambo. mwerali sxvagan arsad arc am SemTxvevasa da arc episkoposis
saxels, samwuxarod, ar axsenebs. episkopos aleqsis sasuliero cxovreba eklesiisadmi saSineli agresiis,
sulierebis devnisa da dacinvis epoqaSi mimdinareobda.
bevrma RvTismsaxurma revoluciis Semdgomi xelisuflebis sisastikes ver gauZlo da eklesia miatova,
episkoposi aleqsi erT-erTi
imaTgani iyo, vinc rwmenas
vin aris erTi
mRvdeli, viszec konstantine gamsaxurdia
erT-erT mogonebaSi saubrobs
zurgi ar aqcia da sicocxlis bolomde RvTisa da eklesiis erTguli darCa.
sicocxlis ukanaskneli
aTi weli man sveticxovlis
taZarSi gaatara. episkoposs
gvianobamde hyvarebia ezoSi
siaruli. dadioda Turme
taZris garSemo, eloliaveboda da efereboda yovel
gojsa da Reros. esulguleboda arsakiZiseuli siyvaruliTa da siTboTi darbilebul qvis yvela natexs. esaubreboda didostatis xeliT gamoTlil TiToeul
CuqurTmas, salbunad edeboda saukuneebis Wir-varamgamovlil uflis wminda saxls
svesa da bedze esaubreboda
masTan stumrad misuls. misi
xSiri stumari gaxldaT konstantine
gamsaxurdiac,
romelmac episkoposis naambobi Tqmulebis didebul
Zalas ver gauZlo, qvaSi gaJRerebul harmonias mwerlis
sulic STabera da cas miawvdina `samaradJamod~. ase
Seiqmna `didostatis marjvena~. gmirobisa da xelovnebis
mSvenieri sagalobeli.
da
eTayvaneboda
qvaSi
gamokveTil udides xelovnebas.
masTan uamravi adamiani
stumrobda Turme. xelisuflebis
gamudmebuli
TvalTvalisa da devnis miuxedavad, maSindeli inteligenciis didi nawili
sicocxles safrTxeSi igdebda da episkopos aleqsis
Tbil stumarTmoyvareobasa
da saintereso saubrebs ar
akldeboda. saocrad rbili
da
enawyliani
yofila
episkoposi. ersa da berze,
qveynis Wirsa da varamze wuxda yovelTvis, saqarTvelos
aleqsandre gersamia
1865 wels leCxumSi, mRvdlis
ojaxSi daibada. daamTavra
quTaisis sasuliero seminaria, sadac kalistrate cincaZesTan erTad swavlobda
da sicocxlis bolomde masTan megobrobda.
seminariis damTavrebis
Semdeg igi cagerSi mRvdlad
akurTxes. iqve daojaxebula
da colad beruCaSvilis
qali _ Teo SeurTavs, romelic maleve gardacvlila da
sami daoblebuli Svilis
gazrda aleqsandres mouwia.
1923 wels aleqsandre sionis eklesiaSi episkoposad
akurTxes da cagerSi gagzavnes. svaneTSi Casvlisas
episkoposs xalxi daCoqili
daxvedria, am ambiT SeSfoTebul mTavrobas saswrafod
misi mokvlis brZaneba gaucia,
magram es ambavi mTavrobis
maSindel Tavmjdomares levan RoRoberiZes, romelic
gersamiebis uaxloesi megobari yofila, aleqsandresTvis Seutyobinebia da
isic TbilisSi saswrafod
Camosula. is didxans yofila eklesiis gareSe. Tumca
male
eklesiis
wiaRs
daubrunes da episkoposad
baTums miavlines.
1928 wels ki igi mcxeTaSi,
sveticxovlis
taZarSi
episkoposad akurTxes. xelovnebis udidesi `qmnilebis
Crdilis qveS~ locvasa da
rwmenaSi galeul dReebs igi
RvTis wyalobad da Rirsebad
miiCnevda.
`aleqsandre Zalian ganaTlebuli kaci iyo, _ ambobs misi SviliSvili naTela
gersamia, _ man SesaniSnavad
icoda qarTuli literatura, saqarTvelos istoria,
rusuli ena. hqonda unikaluri biblioTeka. aqedan
SemorCenili
maqvs
qarTveliSviliseuli `vefxistyaosnis~ uZvirfasesi
gamocema, mixai ziCis ilustraciebiT~.
aleqsandre gersamias
sami Svili hyavda: ori qaliSvili _ cuciko(paraskeva),
dodika(dominika) da erTi
vaJi _ giorgi. cuciko cnobili iuristis dimitri RambaSiZis coli iyo, maT qalvaJi hyavdaT _ nana da zurabi. dodika farmacevt daviT
landias meuRle gaxldaT,
maTac qal-vaJi hyavdaT _
gulnara
da
nodari,
ginekologi, yvelasTvis
cnobili da sayvareli adamiani, dRes mis keTilSobilur
saqmes misi vaJebi _ miSa da
daTo landiebi agrZeleben.
giorgi gersamias qaliSvili
naTela profesiiT eqimia,
pensiaSi gasvlamde pirvel
klinikur saavadmyofoSi
muSaobda. is fexburTel
vladimer
eloSvilis
meuRlea. ori Svili, sami
SviliSvili da erTi SvilTaSvili hyavs. dRes episkoposis SviliSvilebidan mxolod
naTela gersamia da nana RambaSiZe arian cocxlebi.
aleqsandre
gersamias
SviliSvilebi mcxeTaSi xSirad stumrobdnen.
`CvenTvis mcxeTaSi yofna
udidesi sixaruli iyo. yvelaze umcrosi viyavi da babua
gansakuTrebiT manebivrebda.
erTxel iq yofnisas wiTela
damemarTa. babu Zalian Sewuxda, araferi uTqvams, ise wamovida TbilisSi. male dabrunda Tan Camoiyvana Cemi
ufrosi mamidaSvili _ nana
RambaSiZe. Turme Cemi monaTvla gadauwyvetia. dedaCems
SeSinebia sicxiani bavSvis gaciebis, magram imdenad pativs
scemda mamamTils, uari ver
uTxra.
naTlobas daswrebian babu,
mWedeli siko da beri aleqsi. me mTeli ritualis dros
Turme saSinlad vtirodi.
saRamos sicxes dauwevia, babu
kmayofili darCenila. ai,
rom arafris gjeraTo, uTqvams SvilebisTvis~. _ ixsenebs
naTela gersamia.
Zalian xSirad episkoposs
wirva cariel taZarSi aRuvlenia. im dros, represiebis
daundobel epoqaSi is wir-
va-locvaze daswrebas Tavis
Svilebsac ar avaldebulebda. mxolod sTxovda, mTeli
cxovreba sikeTe da siyvaruli etarebinaT.
`miyvarda eklesiaSi yofna
da galobis mosmena. babu kargad galobda. yvelaze metad
sveticxovlobis dResaswauli maxsendeba, roca uamravi
xalxi Camodioda mcxeTaSi.
ucxoeTidan Camosul delegaciebs babua maT sveticxovlis istorias sainteresod
uambobda. Tumca monaTxrobidan bevri araferi magondeba. mcxeTaSi babuas xSirad
stumrobda patriarqi kalistrate cincaZec. isini xSirad midiodnen xolme dedaTa
monasterSi da zogjer mec
mivyavdi~. _ gviambobs naTela
gersamia.
episkoposi aleqsi 1938
wlis Svid Tebervals, mZime
operaciis Semdeg, 73 wlis
asakSi gardaicvala.
saqarTvelos kaTalikospatriarq kalistrate cincaZes episkoposis gardacvalebisTanave ganucxadebia, rom mas sionis ezoSi
dakrZalavdnen. maSindel xelisuflebas sastiki winaaRmdegoba gauwevia. patriarqs
uTqvams, rom mrevlTan erTad gaivlida Tbilisis quCebSi da aleqsandres ise
dakrZalavdnen, rogorc mas
Seefereboda. xelisuflebis
warmomadgenlebs ukan dauxeviaT da daTmobaze wasulan.
imis miuxedavad, rom
episkoposis ojaxis wevrebs
TavianTi megobrebisa da axloblebisTvis uTxoviaT,
dakrZalvaze ar mosuliyvnen,
am samgloviaro dRes mainc
uamravi xalxi daswrebia.
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#08 (025)
`eklesia da astrologia
yovelTvis erTiani iyo~
maka svimoniSvili
S
eiZleba bevrs
arc ki
SeumCnevia
sveticxovlis
samxreT
kedelze
moxatuli
astrologiuri
simboloebi. Tumca, am
uprecedento movlenaze
arc mkvlevarebi
amaxvileben did
yuradRebas. qarTvelma
xalxma macxovris
kvarTze, saqarTveloSi
CamobrZanebis Semdeg,
Tormeti mociqulis
saxelobis mcxeTis
sapatriarqos taZari _
sveticxoveli aago.
taZris samxreT kedelze
freskuli etlTa rkalia
gamosaxuli. etls Zvel
qarTulad zodiaqos niSnebs
uwodebdnen. freskaze TanmimdevrobiT
ganlagebuli
Tormeti etli Tormeti mociqulis gamosaxulebiT aris
warmodgenili.
qarTvel xelovnebaTmcodneTa azriT, sveticxovelSi, axlad aRdgenil
kedelze etlTa rkali, anu
zodiaqos niSnebi, meCvidmete
saukuneSi, 1656-1675 wlebSi,
moixata. gamosaxuleba dRemde pirvandeli saxiTaa Semonaxuli. rogorc 1977 wels
gamocemul saqarTvelos eklesiis kalendarSi vkiTxulobT, sveticxovelSi astrologiuri rkali Tormeti etliTa da maTi Sesabamisi macxovris Tormeti mo-
ciquliT meCvidmete saukuneSi dangreuli kedlis aRdgenis Semdeg imitom moxates,
rom is taZris aSenebis Semdeg, meTerTmete saukunis
dasawyisSi uwmindesisa da
unetaresis saqarTveloSi
pirveli kaTalikos-patriarqis melqisedek pirvelis
ras mogviTxroben
sveticxovelSi moxatuli
zodiaqos niSnebi
locva-kurTxeviT iyo moxatuli.
taZarSi,
romelic
qristianobis simboloa,
astrologiuri, e.w. zodiaqos niSnebia gamoxatuli. es ki, bunebrivia,
uamrav
kiTxvas
aCens.
`premierma~ am kiTxvebze
pasuxebis misaRebad astrolog mixeil cagarels mimarTa.
_ b-no mixeil, ras
migvaniSnebs
sveticxovlis kedelze
Tormeti etlisa da
maTi Sesabamisi Tormeti
mociqulis rkaluri
gamosaxuleba?
_ saqarTveloSi astro-
logia-astronomiasa da religias Soris erTianoba
odiTganve arsebobda. bevri
astronomias astrologiisgan ver asxvavebs _ astronomia
fizika-maTematikur
parametrebs, planetebis
moZraobas, siCqares, maT masas swavlobs, xolo astrologia gviCvenebs, ra zegav-
lenas axdenen isini biologiur organizmebze, maT
Soris, adamianebze. es erTiani sistema iyo, romelsac
gelaTisa da iyalTos akademiebSi varskvlavTmricxvelobis saxelwodebiT swavlobdnen. didi qarTveli mefeebi _ daviT aRmaSenebeli,
giorgi pirveli, vaxtang meeqvse araTu erkveodnen, sakuTari xeliT qmnidnen astrologiur rukebs. iesos
mosvla swored astrologma
mogvebma iwinaswarmetyveles
da pirvelebi mividnen masTan.
astrologia da astronomia
Suamavali rgolia religiasa
da mecnierebas Soris da, religiasTan erTad, erTian
sistemaSi ganixileboda. astrologia erTgvarad elitaruli mecniereba iyo da
mas umTavresad mefeebi da
religiuri moRvaweebi iyenebdnen. qarTuli eklesiis
udidesi warmomadgeneli
giorgi mTawmindeli erTerT Tavis naSromSi wers, rom
mRvdelmTavrebis arCevis
ufleba maTi piradi astrologiuri rukebis gareSe
ar hqondaT.
sveticxovlis Tormeti
mociqulis saxelobis sapatriarqo taZarSi, Tormeti
etlisa da maTi Sesabamisi
Tormeti
mociqulis
rkaluri gamosaxuleba migvaniSnebs qristianuli marTlmadidebluri eklesiis
tradiciiT miRebul maT kavSirs mociqulebis etlebTan
_ zodiaqoebTan gaigivebis
saSualebiT, rac saxarebaSic
damowmebulia.
_ ramdenad
iyenebdnen astrologiur
codnas qarTul
literaturaSi?
_ amis saukeTeso magaliTia SoTa rusTaveli. man
SesaniSnavad icoda astrologiac da astronomiac.
saamisod mxolod erT magaliTs moviyvan, swored saturnisa (mas Zvelsparsulad
zuals uwodebdnen) da iupi-
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xuTSabaTi, 27 Tebervali-5 marti, 2014
teris Sexvedris dros, rac
cis kabadonze oc weliwadSi
erTxel xdeba, Seaxvedra mweralma tarieli Tavis
mijnurs da ara manamde. SoTam Zalian kargad icoda, ras
niSnavda am ori planetis
zegavlena adamianebsa da maT
bed-iRbalze.
_ taZris kedlis
rkalis freskul
gamosaxulebaze TiToeul
mociquls TiToeuli
etli Seesabameba...
_ klasikuri astrologisgan, da saerTod kaTo-
likuri eklesiisgan gansxvavebiT,
sveticxovlis
taZris kedelze sul sxva wyobiT aris mocemuli Tormeti mociqulis rkaluri gamosaxuleba. verZis zodiaqos
niSans Seesabameba filipe,
kuros _ maTe, tyupebs _ Toma,
kirCxibs barTlome, loms _
iakob zebedesi, qalwuls _
ioane RvTismetyveli, saswors _ petre, moriels _
pavle, mSvildosans _ andria,
Txis rqas _ iakobi, Zma
uflisa, merwyuls _ Tadeozi
da Tevzebs _ svimeoni.
klasikur astrologiaSi ki,
da masTan erTad kaTolikur
eklesiaSic, sul sxvagvari
suraTi gvaqvs: verZis zodiaqos niSans amsgavseben petres, is iyo impulsuri,
lideruli Tvisebebis matarebeli, yvelaze axlos
idga iesosTan; kuros ukavSireben simon zirons, romlis saxeli inglisurSi dogmatizmis simbolos warmoadgens; tyupebs ganekuTvneba
iakobi, romelmac ieso,
rogorc mesia, maSinve ver
miiRo, Semdeg ki Tavisi oratoruli niWiT ierusalimis
taZarSi didi mqadagebeli
gaxda; tyupebi oratorobis
saukeTeso niSania; kirCxibi _
andria, es zodiaqo intuiciiT,
emociurobiTa
da
mgrZnobiarobiT gamoirCeva;
lomi _ ioane, mociquli,
romelic Zalian uyvarda iesos, swored organizatorobisa da liderobis Tvisebebi
gamoavlina Semdeg ioanem;
qalwuli filipes ganekuTvneba, yovelTvis praqtikuli
iyo; saswori _ Toma, romel-
sac xan sjeroda iesosi, xan
_ ara. morieli _ barTlome,
romelSic orpiroba arasodes budobda; mSvildosani
_ iakobi, didi maswavlebeli.
Txis rqa _ maTe, romelic ZalauflebiT aRWurvili piri
iyo; merwyuli _ Tadeozi, is
glexebs exmareboda; da bolos Tevzebi _ kaTolikuri
da msoflio astrologiuri
sazogadoeba Tevzebs iuda
iskariotelTan aigivebs. ara
imitom rom Tevzebi cudia,
aq sxva azria Cadebuli: Tevzebi bolo, meTormete niSania, anu adamianma saboloo
arCevani unda gaakeTos _ an
RvTisken, zeviT unda icuros, an qveviT, qvesknelisken.
_ saqarTveloSi sxva
marTlmadideblur
taZarSi Tu yofila
zodiaqos niSnebi
moxatuli?
_ saqarTvelos kaTalikos-patriarqi kalistrate
cincaZe (1932-1952ww) Tavis
naSromSi aRniSnavs, rom qaSueTis wminda giorgis saxelobis eklesia 1755 wels
saqarTvelos kaTalikos-patriarqis anton pirvelis
locva-kurTxeviT, nikoloz
afxazs mouxatavs. eklesiis
gumbaTis Tormet sarkmels
Soris moxatuli yofila
Tormeti etli _ zodiaqo,
masTan
dakavSirebuli
Tormeti mociqulis monacemebi sul sxva TanmimdevrobiT, wminda pavles mier SemoTavazebuli wyobiT yofila
gamosaxuli. samwuxarod,
rusebma saqarTvelos dapyrobisTanave taZrebi da eklesiebi TeTrad gadaRebes,
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_ samwuxarod, Cveni eklesia da bevri sxva mecnieric, astrologias mxolod
astrologiur prognozebTan aigivebs, romlebiTac Jurnal-gazeTebi ukontrolod
aris aWrelebuli. es is umciresi nawilia, romelic mis
yovelTvis erTiani iyo. Tundac is xom mainc viciT, rom
didi marxvis dawyebis TariRi
astronomiul-astrologiuri gamoTvlebiT
dgindeba. Tumca, amis Sesaxeb
dRes aravin laparakobs. adamianis cnobiereba, nebisyofa, TviTkontroli uaryofiT
Tvisebebze
astrologiis
meSveobiT,
romelsac Tan erTvis locva, marxva, monanieba _ es erTian sinTezs qmnis, rac Cveni
sulis ubrwyinvales mudmiv
universalur gamwmend saSu-
WeSmarit suliskveTebas namdvilad ar gamoxatavs. eklesia
da
astrologia
alebas warmoadgens da Cvens
biovels negatiuri energiebisgan icavs.
igive bedi ewia qaSueTsac,
amitom CvenTvis ucnobia misi
gumbaTis moxatuloba.
_ b-no mixeil, dRes
arsebobs mosazreba,
rom eklesia krZalavs
astrologias. rogor
axsnidiT?
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`wignebi Tavs iklaven imitom, rom Taroebze, im SeCveul
Tbil adgilas, sadac isini uyvardaT, aRar arian~
Temur WumburiZe
l
ia sturuas
faqizi smena
karga xania
Caikarga
xmauriani rokda pop-poeziis
morevSi,
magram mas arasodes
ekargeba swored
gansakuTrebuli
aRmsareblobiTi
intimurobis surneli.
da Tu verlibri,
gavrcelebuli
SexedulebiT, mxolod
gonebis Zaladobaa
bunebiT boZebul da
poeziisTvis aucilebel
emociaze, lia
sturuasTvis verlibri
xeliT gamoTlili
sayviria, romelic
mxolod misi
fantaziiT gamoscems
swor da
arayvelasaTvis gasageb
WeSmarit hangebs... da
mainc, misi poeziis
Rirseba, upirvelesad,
drosacdenil,
gulwrfel da sanukvar
intimurobaSia... da
kidev erTi _ ar uyvars
paTetika da arasodes
mimarTavs samSobloze
saubrisas `fortes~.
_ q-no lia, poeziaze,
mwerlobaze minda
gkiTxoT da TqvenTan
saubars Tqvenive
sityvebiT daviwyeb:
`miuxedavad imisa, rom
frTebze koJrebi
amogvivida da marilis
borcvebi, SevecadoT,
avfrindeT mSieri
miwidan da poeziaze
vilaparakoT~...
_ poeziaSi da saerTod,
mwerlobaSi mimdinare tendenciebis Sefaseba Zalian
rTulia. gamoCndnen axali
saxeebi, saintereso poetebi
da mwerlebi. Zalian cudi periodi iyo da mainc SeZles
wera. rac ar unda gindodes,
caSi afrinde, yofa frTebs
gkvecs. sadRac mainc moqmedebs is Semoqmedze. aranakleb mniSvnelovania, rom poezias mkiTxveli hyavdes. is,
rom poezias namdvili mkiTxveli ar hyavs da amboben, rom
es globaluri tendenciaa,
Cvens dasamSvideblad naTqvami tyuilia. amisTvis evropis magaliTic sakmarisia.
safrangeTSi bevri poeti da
mweralia iseTi, romelTa
Semoqmedebac sakmaod rTulia. maT bevri mkiTxveli ar
hyavT, magram maRaziebSi Tu
iSoviT da naxavT, TiTo wigni devs. namdvil poeziasa da
mwerlobas
specifikuri
mkiTxveli hyavs. amitom,
roca vambobT, msoflioSi
kultura aRaravis unda da
ukana rigSi gadavida, tyuilia. xelovanis nawarmoebi ar
aris martivad gasagebi. poe-
ti momavlis adamiania. cvetaeva mimarTavda Tavis momaval mkiTxvelebs: `me Tqven
gkocniT aTasi gamTiSavi
wlis Semdeg~. es lenini ambobda, kultura masebisTvisaao. ki, ra Tqma unda,
magram Sen ki ar unda Camoxvide xalxis doneze, piriqiT,
xalxi unda amoiyvano Seni
xelovnebis simaRleze. Soubiznesi aucilebeli da kargia, rom arsebobs, magram mas
meorenairad kontrkultura
hqvia. amitom am kontrkulturas kultura ar unda gadavayoloT.
_ mkiTxvelTa simcire,
yofa... albaT, amas
gulisxmobdiT, rodesac
ambobdiT: `wignebi
TviTmkvlelebiviT
vardebian karadis
Taroebidan~.
_ wignebi Tavs iklaven imitom, rom Taroebze, im
saqme ar arsebobs. SeiZleba
ase gaucxoebuli samSobloc
ki daibruno...
_ Tqveni poeziis
gansxvavebulobaze ras
gvetyodiT. ratom
arCieT Tavisufali
leqsi?
lia sturua:
`Sen ki ar unda Camoxvide xalxis
doneze, piriqiT, xalxi unda
amoiyvano Seni xelovnebis simaRleze~
SeCveul Tbil adgilas, sadac isini uyvardaT, eferebodnen, siTbos agrZnobinebdnen, aRar arian. imisTvis, rom
Svili
SimSilisgan
ar
moukvdes, sayvareli wigni
gaaqvs gasayidad. magram mainc
ar iyideba. wera rom daviwye,
iyo kategoria adamianebisa,
visac wigni uyvarda, iyo iseTic, visac ar uyvarda, magram
wigns mainc yidulobda. amiT
wignier da kulturul adamianTa ricxvSi moiazrebda sakuTar Tavs. dRes aseTebic
aRar arian. metic, axla SeiZleba amaze gaicinon kidec.
mSieri poetebi ki dganan
quCaSi da sakuTar wignebs
yidian. es drois damaxasiaTebeli movlenaa, magram Cven
Zalian gagvigrZelda procesi...
_ literaturis
siaxleebze ras
ityodiT?
_ am cis qveS axali araferia. tariel Wanturiam erTxel cvetaevas naTqvami miTxra
da Zalian momewona: ar unda
daaviwydes Citis bartys, rom
budidan gadmovarda da ara
cidan da rom deda Citi da
mama Citi arsebobeno. galaktioni didi novatoria da
aravis hgavs, magram adreuli leqsebi, vidre xma da saxe
Camouyalibdeboda, griSaSvilis gavleniTaa dawerili.
igive `mesaflave~, `guriis
mTebs~. griSaSvils Tavisi
adgili aqvs poeziaSi, magram
galaktionTan ver mova.
galaktioni mere da mere
daafases. farTo mkiTxveli
ver xvdeboda, rom `mesafla-
ve~ galaktionis susti
leqsebis ricxvs ganekuTvneboda. mis namdvil leqsebs
arc icnobdnen da arc esmodaT. icodnen mxolod is,
rom galaktioni geniosi iyo.
poeti sul raRacas eZebs,
igonebs. folkneri ambobda,
Tu mweralma miaRwia raRac
srulyofilebismagvars da
amiT dakmayofilda da isev
ise gaagrZela, maSin mwerali
mokvdeba. Tu man daiwyo siaxlis bewvis xidze siaruli, is
SeiZleba ufskrulSi gadaiCexos, magram iqidan
rom amova da Tavis Tavs
xelaxla Seqmnis, es ukve
siaxlea. vidre cocxali
xar da wer, is Zveli Seni
aRar aris, is unda daiviwyo da Tavidan daiwyo.
lelobisken.
samyaro savsea mokluli
poetebiT. galaktionisnairi
poetebi Zalian xSirad kvdebian. ratom mokles garsia
lorka? ratomRac didxans
megona, rom is germanelebma
mokles, romlebmac ar icodnen, vin iyo. Turme piriqiT,
Tavisianebs mouklavT. SesaniSnavad icodnen, vinc iyo da
swored amitom mokles. iqneb
koridis moyvarulebma es
striqoni ver apaties: `iqneb
_ `ramdeni kacic
Tavs moiklavs mZime
cxovrebis gamo, ase
mgonia, xelaxla
klaven galaktions~,
_ esec Tqveni
sityvebia. Tumca,
galaktioni aravis
mouklavs, ras
gulisxmobdiT?
_ did poets, mwerals,
mxatvars
umetesad
klaven imisTvis, `ratom
kargi agigiao~. galaktions, roca gadmoxta,
aravin ubiZga, magram mas ise
eqceodnen, Tavad mivida am
zomamde. vinc dainaxa masSi
cisken swrafva, frinvelis
profili, is, rom mesame
sarTulidan gadmovardnili
miwas ki ar daenarcxeboda,
caSi wavidoda, Tavis lurja
cxenebTan erTad, swored man
ubiZga gonebiT TviTmkv-
yvela moklul xarSi qalwulis ConCxi Wvivis~. Tuki
sircxvilis grZnoba gagviCndeba mokluli poetebis gamo,
Tumca ki Cven amaSi monawileoba ar migviRia, mas
leRvis foTols nu avafarebT. sircxvils rom
TvalebSi Sexedav da misgan
ganTavisuflebisTvis
ibrZoleb, amaze Rirebuli
_ arsebobs poeti da arapoeti. roca vambobT saSualo poeti, susti, Zlieri, es
ukve kompromisia. Tu poeti
xar, unda gqondes sruliad
gansxvavebuli samyaro da
Seni leqsi ar unda aerioT
sxvisaSi. es aris Seni xedvis
Tavisebureba, yvelas TvalSi
broli sxvadasxvanairad devs
da sxvadasxvanairad irekleba masSi qveyana. me ratom
daviwye Tavisufali leqsiT
wera? maSin miviCnie, rom im
Sinagan monologs, cnobierebis nakads, amas yvelafers
Sesatyvisad moergo Tavisufali leqsis forma.
`rom sxva samSoblo ar
gamaCnia, rom es Tovlia Cemi
samSoblo~, _ es galaktionma
Tqva. yvelas Tavisi faruli
samSoblo aqvs, Tavisi samyaro. rogorc ori TiTi ar
hgavs erTmaneTs, ori wveTi,
ori foToli, ase unda gansxvavdebode sxvisgan. Tumca,
SeiZleba bevri saerTo sxva
qveynis poetebTanac ki
gqondes. poezia erovnulia
da amasTanave, zeerovnulic.
_ qarTul poeziaSi
samSoblo xSirad
paTetikasTanaa
dakavSirebuli. Tqven ki
ambobT: `me arasodes
miTqvams sityvebi,
gaumarjos saqarTvelos
da rom arsad ar
arseboben aseTi mTebi
da mdinareebi...~
rogoria samSoblos
Tqveneuli gancda?
_ samSoblo abstraqtuli cneba ar aris. es Seni
saxlia, Seni quCa, xe,
romelic Sens fanjarasTan dgas da elaparakebi.
parizSi swored maSin
momixda wasvla, roca aq
saSineli mdgomareoba iyo.
ar vamtyuneb aravis, vinc
sxva qveyanaSi cxovrobs,
magram me ver vicxovreb. da
es Cems erT leqsSic vTqvi:
`me ar SemiZlia Cems bnel
xaroSi ar davbrunde da,
rodesac sias amoikiTxaven,
kidev
vin
gadaurCa
zamTars, susti xmiT ar amoviknavlo, rom mec aq var,
radganac me ZafiT var
gamobmuli Cems axloblebze da isini Tu moviwyvite,
aRaraferi ar darCeba Cemgan,
arc suli arc xorci, marto
Zafebis naglejebi~, _ mxolod es SemiZlia giTxraT.
gana SeiZleba vilaparakoT,
rogor miyvars Cemi deda,
Svili, da, Zma? asea samSobloc, mis siyvaruls paTetika ar sWirdeba. yovel SemTxvevaSi, me ase mesmis.
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acobriobis
istoriaSi
yvela mijnuri,
individualurobis
miuxedavad,
erTnairad
eziareboda tkivilisa
da netarebis narev
gancdas. swored mas
arqmevdnen siyvaruls da
miyenebuli tkivilisa Tu
zianis miuxedavad,
saTuTad uvlidnen da
guliT mas Semdegac
atarebdnen, roca masTan,
garda sentimentaluri
mogonebebisa, saerTo
aRaraferi hqondaT.
iyo mrisxanebac,
zizRamde misuli
siZulvilic, magram
gulSi daukiTxavad
Sexiznuli grZnoba
Tavisas Svreboda da
gasaqans ar aZlevda.
wyvilTa harmonia
mSvenier Semoqmedebas
warSobs xolme.
ganSoreba ki dramatizms
sZens mijnurTa
cxovrebas.
grZnobas Sewiruli xelovneba
erTi siyvarulis istoria
ogiust rodeni Tayvanismcemlebis simcires namdvilad
ar ganicdida. Tumca, kamila
klodelma masSi mamakaci
pirvelma gaaRviZa. pirvelive
Sexvedrisas isini erTmaneTs ise
ucqerdnen, rogorc ori moqandake, romlebsac im modelis
Rirseulad Sefaseba SeuZliaT,
romelic unda gamoZerwon. kamilas danaxvisTanave rodeni
ara misma silamazem, aramed im
mRelvarebam
ganacvifra,
romelic kamilas TvalebSi
ikiTxeboda.
1881 wels, maSin roca
kamila klodeli 17 wlis
iyo, ojaxTan erTad sacxovreblad parizSi gadavida. safrangeTis provinciaSi 1864 wlis 8 dekembers dabadebuli kamilasTvis parizi momnusxveli aRmoCnda. parizSi
Casuli kamila kolsrosis
akademias xSirad stumrobda.
kamilas bavSvuri fantaziebi ojaxs garkveul
sazrunavs uCenda. mTel
dReebs is martoobaSi
atarebda. moswonda civi
kldeebis cqera da is
gulqva goliaTebs agonebda.
gaqvavebuli
kldeebis cqeriT TiTqos
sazrdos iRebda da dabrunebuli Zerwvas vnebiT
iwyebda. is daJinebiT
sTxovda dedas, mamas, das,
Zmas misTvis pozirebas. kamila
profesionalis sibejiTiT
zelda Tixas. TiTqos ukve mas
exeboda da TixisTvis sulis
Cadgmas cdilobda, undoda, gaecocxlebina sakuTari qmnilebebi. `...Tanaxma xarT, Tixis
narCenebs mouaroT?~ _ gogonam Tanxmobis niSnad Tavi dauqnia. rodeni Cafiqrda, mas naklebad warmoedgina, rom misi
moswavle damxmare qali gaxdeboda. is mixvda, rom qaliSvilis gamoZerwva surda. kamila
masTan yoveldRe midioda. saxelosnos alagebda, Tixas zel-
da, rodeni ki mas Tvals Soridan adevnebda.
...erTxel kamila rodenis
saxelosnos Cveulebrivze
metxans SemorCa... misi xelebi
qaliSvilis kisers exeboda,
efereboda
mis
mxrebs.
isunTqavda misi sxeulis surnels. grZnobda, misi guli
rogor feTqavda.
Semdeg ukve saxelosno maTi
siyvarulis TavSesafari gaxda.
siyvarulis morevSi gadaSvebuli rodeni ki qmnida iseT
Sedevrebs,
rogorebicaa
`moazrovne~ `maradiuli kerpi~,
`kocna~, `avrora~...
kamilas maswavleblisadmi
siyvarulma suli auforiaqa.
amayobda misi qebis gamo. jer
kidev pirveli Sexvedrisas
rodeni gancvifrda. aRmoaCina,
rom maTi qandakebebi erTmaneTs Zalian hgavda. maTi namuSevrebis genialuroba is iyo,
rom ama Tu im saxis xazebs ara
ubralod gamosaxavdnen, aramed
cdilobdnen, adamianisgan yvelaze dafaruli gadmoeRoT, is,
rac Cveulebrivi niRbis miRma
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imaleboda: amboxi, tkivili, sixaruli, morCileba...
kamilam kargad icoda, rom
rodens coli da, Tumc ar aRiarebda, Svilic hyavda. rouz
bere da patara ogiusti.
rouz bere ubralo qali
iyo. misma bunebrivma, velurma
silamazem kamilas gacnobamde
oci wliT adre moxibla rodeni. im wlebSi daibada misi erTerTi yvelaze mSvenieri qandakeba _ `maradiuli gazafxuli~. Tumca ogiusti cols arc
megobrebs acnobda, arc Tavis
saqmeebsa da gegmebSi axedebda.
rouzma sul male Seityo,
rom maT cxovrebaSi kamila SeiWra. magram qali ojaxuri keris
siTbos inarCunebda, meurneobas eweoda, rodens is
ecodeboda. `Secodeba xSirad
siyvarulze Zlieria~, _ ase xsnida rodeni rouzTan urTierTobas.
rouzi ki cdilobda, qmarze
raRac uflebebi SerCenoda,
vidre is saerTod daekarga.
kamilasa da rodenis urTierTobidan ukve 10 weli gavida. rodenma aRiarebas, didebas
miaRwia. kamilas ukve nervuli
Setevebi daewyo. grZnobda
Tavis ususurobas. rodenTan
urTierTobis ganmavlobaSi arc
erTi sakuTari qandakeba
gamofenaze ar gautania... rodeni xedavda, rogor ganicdida kamila yovelive amas da gadawyvita, rom is parizisTvis moeSorebina. maT dagvianebuli Taflobis Tve hqondaT... mTeli
dReebis ganmavlobaSi erTad
daseirnobdnen patara, myudro
restornebSi. isini bednierebis
yovlismomcveli SegrZnebiT
iyvnen mTvralni.
erTi Tvis Semdeg, rodesac
ukan dabrundnen, kamila mixvda, rom saqme arc ise kargad
iyo. is ukve 30 wlisa iyo da
rodenTan urTierTobac CixSi
Sedioda. erT dRes wasvlac gadawyvita. rodeni daiTrguna da imeds
ar kargavda, rom qali
dabrundeboda, magram
kamila ar dabrunebula.
kamila italiis bulvarze mdebare saxlSi
marto cxovrobda. wonaSi daiklo, TmaSi pirveli WaRara gauCnda, samuSaos guls veRar udebda. Tavidan ogiusti daxmarebasac sTavazobda,
razec uari ganacxada,
aseT wuTebSi isterikebi emarTeboda. cdilobda, misi Zalauflebisgan
Tavi daeRwia. kamilas
SemoqmedebiTi cecxli
TandaTan Caiferfla.
damTavrebul figuras
amsxvrevda. kamila wuxda, rom rodenis siyvaruls Seswira Tavisi
niWi. `Rirda ki amden
Sromad yovelive es, roca niWi
Sesaferisi mqonda _ amgvari
`jildos~ misaRebad... groSadac
ar Rirebula is SegrZneba, rom
ar gqondes yovelive is, rac adamianis cxovrebas bedniers gaxdis~.
...fsiqika nel-nela eryeoda.
rodenis gardacvalebis ambavi
Zalian ganicada da bolos
mondevergis fsiqiatriul
klinikaSi 30 weli gaatara. gardaicvala 1943 wlis oqtomberSi, 79 wlis asakSi.
moamzada
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`moskovi, kremli, Tbilisis
Tavze frialebs wiTeli droSa!~
_ aRar gamogivaT es ambavi:)
gogi gvaxaria
Tu odesme kidev vinme Semiyvardeba, aucileblad ukraineli iqneba...
P.S. moqmedi ar miwyens, imedia, am Cems
posts))))))))))))
inga grigolia
ivaniSvili ver aris xasiaTze...
ukrainis magaliTi aCvenebs, rom
xelisuflebis SenarCunebas arc
fuli Svelis, arc tyvia da arc puwinis Tanadgoma... frTxilad, moqalaqev... frTxilad...
giorgi arvelaZe
yvela bayays Tavis Waobi uyvarso, naTqvamia da mec vcdilob, ar
SemovuSva gonebaSi `mesweCkovi~ gageba stumari var amqveynad da babuaCemis ar iyos, mec `sakmaod Camoyalibebul msoflio moqalaqed mimaCnia Tavi~. bevr qveyanaSi
vyofilvar da imden qalaqSi _ Tavad aRar maxsovs. magram
Cemi beberi verisubani magaria: sofeli qalaqis centrSi.
aq ar arsebobs nacionaluri, religiuri, socialuri
diferenciacia da statusebi; asakobrivic ki: me erTnairad
vmegobrob mezoblis aTiode wlis bavSvebTan da samoc wels
gadacilebul `starikebTan~. roca damiWires, netav, genaxaT, asze metma adamianma moawera xeli, sul sxvadasxva
erovnebis; metic, dacvis mowmed movidnen sasamarTloSi (es
maSin, roca Cems alal Zmebs krinti ar dauZravT Cems dasacavad). aq azerbaijanelebi aRdgomas gilocaven: `qriste
adga~ :)))) da Cven vulocavT bairamobas. Cven erTmaneTs
yovelTvis vexmarebiT _ avadmyofobis, cixis, gaWirvebis
periodebSi. arian usindisoebic, magram umciresobaSi, sabednierod, acnobiereben da adgili ician...
roca waval am qveynidan, unda davibaro, damwvan. da ferfli Cems sayvarel ubanSi moabnion.
cotne gamsaxurdia
xalxi, vinc ar uSindeba aseT
sasaklaos, da romlis wevrebsac
aluminis _ tyviisgan TavdacvisTvis
absoluturad
gamousadegari _ farebi aqvs da
maT Tavdamsxmelebs ki avtomatebi, namdvilad imsaxurebs bevrad
mets, vidre evrokavSiris wevrobaa. marTla saocari SemarTebaa am kadrebze da gamarjvebis saocari rwmena. Slava Ukraine!!!
Geroiam Slava!!!
nika rurua
jgufSi saqarTvelo karg
SemTxvevaSi gibraltarze win
moxvdeba erTi an ori quliT.
qecbaiasTvis milionze metis
gadaxdas 200-300 lari momeciT
TveSi (ZiriTadad benzinis fuli)
da igive Sedegs mec davdeb. cota bevri saqme ki damigrovda
am bolos, magram rames vizam, Tan vgiJdebi `paezdkebze~
giorgi abaSiSvili
wuxel erTi wamiT davfiqrdi,
belgiel kolegebs rom vuambo,
rac axla saqarTveloSi xdeba da
ra aris nomer pirveli niusi,
albaT, CaTvlian, rom banketze
Zalian bevri davlie-meTqi (fiqrebi samSobloSi dabrunebis win).
daviT gerasime gabunia
rac gindaT TqviT, magram `slavianski~ goimobaSi imdenivea saerTo, rac kavkasielTa, an SuaazielTa goimobaSi. saerTo goimoba eTnikuri naTesaobis socialurfsiqologiuri dasturia:)
paata qurdaZe
ra samwuxaroa, rogor momravlda aq viTomsamarTliani mamakacebi,
viTom gulubryvilod rom dadeben
qalze rame saZagel posts da elodebian kbilebis kawkawiT, aba, rogor
Seesevian misnairebi da gadauvlian
lanZRva-ginebiT erT adamians,
romelic xSirad arc aris iq da arc
icis amis Sesaxeb da mere es mamakaci
`kai tipobaze~ debs Tavs da samarTlianobaze... me Semrcxveboda, aseTi mamakaci rom myavdes saxlSi. netai maT colebs...
sanam aseTi saqcieli gamarTlebuli iqneba, araferi gveSveleba!!!
maka razmaZe
ukrainaSi korumpirebuli reJimi iyo. daemxo reJimi da meore
dResve msoflio media aivso korufciis amsaxveli kadrebiT
(sasaxleebi, oqros unitazebi, kerZo
zooparkebi
da
a.S.)...
saqarTveloSi gacilebiT korumpirebuli xelisufleba gvyavda. aq
elituri korufcia yvaoda:
ukrainisgan gansxvavebiT, aq qveda rgolebs saerTod arafers
utovebdnen da yvelaferi saTavisod mihqondaT, eliturad.
ukve weliwad-naxevaria, rac is xelisufleba waSavda. ismis
kiTxva _ rogor moxda, rom is, rac ukrainaSi 2 dReSi gaiSifra, aq weliwad-naxevris manZilze ver aRmoaCines? rogor
moxda, rom ver aRmoCnda verc erTi mtkicebuleba, romelic daadasturebda, rom nacxrovelita miliardebs iparavda? _ ra gaxda erTi sasaxle, erTi karteli, an erTi monopolia, romelic fuls elitur korufciaSi ixdida da axla
aRar ixdis?
zaza bibilaSvili
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gaocebuli vkiTxulob statusebs zaza xatiaSvilis Sesaxeb
da iciT, ra mainteresebs???
zaza advokatis mantias icavs
da es misi pirdapiri movaleobaa.
Tqven, vinc mas lanZRavT, gamagebineT, maSin `ocnebas~ ratom
aqebT???
oniani ki ara, mTeli `nacbanda~ cixeSia Casayreli da
`qarTulma ocnebam~ parlamentSi gamosva 40%-iT da gaacocxla:))))
logika sadaa, sad?:))))
bakur bakuraZe
ambebi
ukan mimaqvs Tu raime cudi vTqvi
barak obamaze am bolo xanebSi. guSindeli misi daswreba Cveni premierisa da baidenis Sexvedraze
udavod CvenTvis sasikeTo nabijia.
imedia, ukrainaSi mimdinare procesebi amerikas kidev ufro aqtiuri poziciis daWeras aiZulebs.
Cveni premieris amerikuli turnes donis aweva evropisTvisac
kargi gzavnilia. mokled, rac moxda Zalian maxarebs. meore
sakiTxia Sexvedris dRis wesrigi. oficialuri angariSis
gacnobis Semdeg, pirveli SexedviT rac TvalSi momxvda, isaa,
rom okupaciasTan mimarTebaSi `SeSfoTeba~ mxolod mavTulxlarTebis gayvanaze gamoiTqva da madlobac obamas am sakiTxTan mimarTebaSi gadauxades. arc erTi sityva deokupaciaze. Tavad okupaciis dagmobaze. kargia, rom xazi gaesva
evropuli da evroatlantikuri kursis erTgulebas. mokled, yvelaferi kargi iqneboda, am rusebis gulis mogebisTvis rom Tavi dagvenebebina. Tumca xelisuflebis arCevani
aseTia da `vacadoT, batono, vacadoT...~
mamuka gamyreliZe
obamasTan Sexvedra dagegmili
iyo, Tu aSS-s prezidenti `SemouerTda~ Tu `Semoeswro~ Sexvedras, cxadia, garkveuli mniSvnelobisa da
wonis mqone garemoebaa.
am
garemoebis
miuxedavad,
saqarTvelos premieris Sexvedra
amerikis umaRlesi Tanamdebobis
pirebTan umniSvnelovanesi movlenaa. da gaxdeba Tu ara is
istoriuli mniSvnelobis, ukve mis gagrZelebazea damokidebuli. imaze, ramdenad adekvaturad ganasxeulebs amerikelebisgan miRebul araorazrovan mesijebs, maT Soris, Sida politikur sivrceSi premieri da mTavroba.
nika gvaramia
isa da onians ro policiaSi
zustad ise moeqcnen rogorc is
sxvebs eqceoda... adamianis uflebebis sastik darRvevad Sefasdeba?
giorgi fofxaZe
siamayis grZnoba gamiCnda, roca
gavacnobiere, rom saqarTvelo
aravis Setenvia obamas audienciisTvis da survili Tavad Statebidan modioda.
oTar qiria
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msoflios onkologiuri
daavadebebis talRa
emuqreba
j
andacvis msoflio organizaciis prognozi momdevno 20 wlis ganmavlobaSi sanugeSo ar aris _ msoflios onkologiuri daavadebebis axali talRa
emuqreba, radgan arsebuli
14 milioni SemTxveva, savaraudod,
wlis ganmavlobaSi 22 milion adamianamde gaizrdeba. amave periodSi,
sikvdilianoba 8,2 milioni SemTxvevidan 13 milion SemTxvevamde
moimatebs.
mTavari dartyma sustad ganviTarebul da ganviTarebad qveynebze mova. azia, afrika,
centraluri da samxreT amerika daavadebis yoveli 100 SemTxvevis dros 70 adamians dakargavs.
angariSis Tanaxmad, kibos daavadebis SemTxvevaTa naxevari SeiZleba Tavidan aviciloT,
Tuki alkoholisa da mowevis borotad gamoyenebis, aseve simsuqnis zrdis problemas gadavwyvetT.
gansazRvres geni, romelic mamakacebSi uSvilobas iwvevs
i
aponelma mkvlevarebma gansazRvres geni, romelic mamakacebis uSvilobas ukavSirdeba. am aRmoCenam SeiZleba naTeli mofinos imis garkvevas, ratom ar SeuZlia
zogierT wyvils, bavSvebi iyolion.
mecnierebma saTesleebSi aRmoaCines geni, saxelwodebiT GALNTL-5. Tagvebis spermaSi maT gaTiSes misi funqcia da aRmoaCines, rom spermatozoidis moZraobis
unari 80%-iT Semcirda. mkvlevarebma aseve aRmoaCines spermaSi cilis nakleboba,
romelic aucilebelia moZraobisa da ganayofierebisTvis.
maT, aseve, Seamowmes unayofo mamakacTa sperma da aRmoaCines, rom zogierT maTganSi
napovnma genma mutacia ganicada da ufunqcio gaxda.
mkvlevari nobues takasaki acxadebs, rom genis gamoyeneba SeiZleba, rogorc markeris, spermis SerCevisas, eqstrakorporaluri ganayofierebis dros. man aseve aRniSna, rom
aRmoCenis daxmarebiT SesaZlebeli iqneba unayofobis
mizezis dadgenac.
aRmoCenilia aTerosklerozis
mkurnalobis axali midgoma
d
anieli mecnierebis mier miRebulma monacemebma SesaZlebelia
gaxsnas axali Tavi aTerosklerozis mkurnalobis saqmeSi da
farmacevtul warmoebas saSualeba misces, SeimuSaos axali,
efeqturi preparati e.w. `cudi~
qolesterinis Sesamcireblad,
romelic aris gul-sisxlZarRvTa daavadebis ganviTarebis mTavari mizezi _ `mkvleli nomeri pirveli~ msoflioSi.
Sizofreniis mkurnaloba
abebis gareSe
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anCesteris universitetSi
Catarebulma kvlevebma
aCvena, rom fsiqologiuri
midgoma
Sizofreniis
mkurnalobis dros SesaZloa, gaxdes alternativa pacientebisTvis, romlebic raRac mizezisda gamo wamlebs
ar iReben, Tumca isini warmoadgenen
pirveli rigis Terapias, magram aqvT
seriozuli gverdiTi movlenebi.
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qlori bavSvis Tavis
tvinSi autizmis
mTavari mizezia
m
ecnierebis mier
Catarebuli bolodroindeli kvlevebis safuZvelze gakeTda mTeli rigi
daskvnebi, ra gavlenas axdens bavSvis
Tavis tvinSi arsebuli qlori autizmis simptomis Camoyalibebaze. maTi mtkicebiT, mocemuli nivTierebis
gazrdili koncentracia xels
uSlis Tavis tvinis aparatis
gadarTvas muSaobis normalur reJimSi.
aRvniSnavT, rom msgavsi daskvna gakeTebulia neirofiziologebis mier, mecnierebma yvela damadasturebeli monacemi Sesabamis statiaSi gamoaqveynes.
kvleviTi eqsperimenti, romelic miznad isaxavda am informaciis dadasturebas, frangma
mecnierebma laboratoriul Tagvebze Caatares. swored maT daadastures, rom Cveulebrivi
Sardmdeni saSualebis daxmarebiT SesaZlebelia, gaumklavdeT bavSvis organizmidan am nivTierebis gamoyvanas, misi koncentraciis SemcirebiT, da Sesabamisad, veragi daavadebis saSiSi simptomis ganviTarebas.
mecnierTa varaudiT, uaxloes momavalSi es samkurnalo-profilaqtikuri meTodi amoqmeddeba, radgan is qmnis realur winapirobas, Seiqmnas am daavadebis winaaRmdeg brZolis
Sesabamisi zoma.
Sokoladi dagexmarebaT,
Tavidan aiciloT insulti
k
aliforniis universitetis mecnierma TanamSromlebma SeZles daemtkicebinaT, rom Sokoladis regularuli moxmareba, yvela dadebiTi
aspeqtiT, pirdapir moqmedebs ZarRvebze, da
yvelaze mTavari, icavs guls insultisgan. Tumca ar unda dagvaviwydes, rom yvela saxis Sokoladi ar
iwvevs msgavs efeqts.
rogorc mecnierebi amboben, samkurnalo Tviseba aqvs im Sokolads, romelic didi raodenobiT Seicavs flavonoidebs, romelic Sedis kakaoSi. amgvarad, rac ufro metad gamoiyeneba kakaos marcvlebi am tkbili produqtis dasamzadeblad, miT sasargebloa is adamianis
janmrTelobisTvis.
flavonoidebis efeqturobis dasamtkiceblad Catarda eqsperimenti, romelSic 20 adamiani monawileobda. isini 14 dRis ganmavlobaSi miirTmevdnen Sokolads. Sokoladis erTi
nawili gajerebuli iyo flavonoidebiT, xolo meore nawili mas praqtikulad ar Seicavda.
amasTanave, eqsperimentis monawileebma ar icodnen, rom isini sruliad sxvadasxva Sokolads
miirTmevdnen.
eqsperimentis bolos gairkva, rom maT, vinc flavonoidian Sokolads Seeqceodnen, Sedegi 13%-iT gauumjobesdaT. Sokoladi mniSvnelovnad amcirebs aTerosklerozis, insultis,
aseve infarqtis ganviTarebis risks.
aRsaniSnavia, rom erTi fila Sokoladi Seicavs met antioqsidantebs, vidre erTi bokali
Savi Rvino. amdenad, darwmunebiT SegviZlia ganvacxadoT, rom Sokoladi SesaniSnavad
umklavdeba organizmidan toqsinebis gamodevnas.
wiTeli Tevzis
gamoyeneba
gexmarebaT,
sicocxle ori
wliT
gaixangrZlivoT
s
icocxlis
gaxangrZlivebisa da
gul-sisxlZarRvTa daavadebis profilaqtikis
mizniT, mecnierebi urCeven, sakvebad wiTeli Tevzis
gamoyenebas.
harvardis universitetSi Catarebuli mTeli rigi kvlevebis Sedegad aRmoCnda, rom kviraSi erTxel mainc sakvebad wiTeli Tevzis gamoyeneba sicocxles minimum ori wliT axangrZlivebs. aseTi efeqti miiRweva organizmSi omega 3 cximovani mJavis SeRweviT, romelsac
Tevzi Seicavs.
sxvaTa Soris, es sasargeblo fermenti aris yvela cximovani jiSis zRvis TevzSi, _ ityobineba VladTime. swored is axdens gamaaxalgazrdavebel da gamajansaRebel moqmedebas
adamianis organizmze. mecnierebis mtkicebiT, cximovani amonomJavebi 35%-iT amcirebs gulsisxlZarRvTa sistemis daavadebis albaTobas.
gverdi moamzada
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`cecxlovani masaJi~
daicavs
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cilebi da cximebi amaRlebs ganwyobas
C
inelebma naoWebis mosaSoreblad axali meTodi gamoigones, saxelwodebiT _ `saxis
cecxlovani masaJi~.
procedura moicavs
Semdegs: kosmetologi
pacients saxeze afarebs spirtis
Semcvelobis e.w. `specialuri
eleqsiriT~ gaJRenTil pirsaxocs, romelsac Semdeg cecxls waukidebs.
aseTi meTodi xels uSlis kanis modunebas da masze naoWis gaCenas, astimulirebs ra mas
siTboTi. garad amisa, is efeqturad kurnavs mTel rig daavadebebs, maT Soris gaciebas.
cecxlovani masaJi exmareba simsuqnesTan brZolas. meTodis Semqmnelebi amtkiceben, rom
aseTi mkurnaloba adamianisTvis usafrTxoa, ramdenadac mas kargad naswavli Terapevti
axorcielebs, xolo specialuri eleqsiri, romelic kans aTbobs, xels uSlis damwvrobis
warmoqmnas. masaJis saocari moqmedeba adrenalinis reaqciiT aixsneba, romelic Zlieri
sicxiTaa gamowveuli. is cvlis organizmis qimiur mdgomareobas, Tavi daaRwios kuWis aSlilobas da aCqarebs nivTierebaTa cvlis process.
qalis mexsiereba kacis
mexsierebaze ukeTesia
n
orvegielma
mecnierebma daasrules
didi
kvlevebi,
romelic xandazmul
adamianebSi demencias eZRvneboda.
eqsperimentSi
monawileobda nur-trendelagis
centraluri olqis mosaxleoba, sadac 130 aTasi adamiani cxovrobs. 50 aTasidan 222 adamiani
sxvadasxva stadiis asakobriv
marazms eqvemdebareboda. adamianebma, visac 30 weli SeusruldaT, mexsierebasTan dakavSirebuli anketireba gaiares. maT
ekiTxebodnen saxelis, cifrisa da movlenebis damaxsovrebaze. gamokiTxulTadan ufro mamakacebi uCiodnen gulmaviwyobas, vidre qalebi. ase rom, mamakacebi advilad iviwyeben mniSvnelovan TariRebs.
mamakacebs Soris gacilebiT gavrcelebuli asakobrivi marazmis sxva mizezi SeiZleba
iyos arajansaRi cxovrebis wesi (moweva, alkoholi, narkotiki) da mamakacebis Tanamdevi
naklebmoZravi (saofise) cxovrebis wesi. gulmaviwyobis mizezi SeiZleba, aseve, ukavSirdebodes gulis problemas, sisxlZarRvebs (hipertonia).
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ritaneli eqspertebi jansaRi kvebis sakiTxebSi, gil poli da karen salivani
acxadeben, rom adamianis ganwyoba pirdapir kavSirSia kvebasTan. cdebiT maT gamoavlines produqtebi, romelic aumjobesebs ganwyobas da amsubuqebs depresias,
aseTis arsebobis SemTxvevaSi.
aRmoCnda, rom
Zalebis gamoleva,
daRliloba da cxovrebaSi imedgacrueba Cveulebrivad mimdinareobs aminomJavebis naklebobis fonze _
nivTierebebis, romlisganac
organizmi aSenebs cilebs. yvelaze kargad am problemebs
umklavdeba cilebiT savse
produqtebi: xorci, Tevzi,
parkosnebi, kakali da kombosto.
Tu cilebi aris yoveldRiur racionSi, Rirs, yuradReba miaqcioT omega 3-s, cximovan mJavebs, romelsac Seicavs
mcenareuli zeTebi da Tevzis zeTi. es nivTiereba xels uwyobs serotoninis gamomuSavebas
da aumjobesebs kavSirs tvinsa da grZnobis organoebs Soris.
internetdamokidebuleba narkotiks utoldeba
C
ineTis mecnierebis marTvis eqspertebis mier Catarda Zalian uCveulo kvleva,
romlis drosac cnobili gaxda, ramdenad saSiSia adamianisTvis internetze damokidebuleba.
uCveulo daskvnas warmoadgenda is, rom es damokidebuleba SeiZleba
gauTanabrdes im grZnobas, rasac ganicdian adamianebi, romlebic narkotikebis
Semcvel produqtebs moixmaren.
am faqtis maqsimalurad zustad dadgenis mizniT mkvlevarebi akvirdebodnen
xurma agaridebT Warb wonas
x
urma aZlierebs mxedvelobas da agaridebT Warb wonas. dietologebi gvirCeven,
kvebis racionSi didi raodenobiT SevitanoT xurma, romelic sakmaod sasargeblod iTvleba. misi nayofi Seicavs beta-karotins, romelic aZlierebs mxedvelobas, aseve, aCerebs organizmis naadrevi daberebis process.
cnobilia, rom xurmis rbilobi tkbilia. nayofi Zalian swrafad akmayofilebs
SimSils, amitomac Warbi wonis adamianebs urCeven kvebis racionSi mis Setanas.
nayofi sasargebloa, agreTve, gulisTvis, sakvebad misi gamoyeneba aregulirebs
wnevas. kanis anTebis dros nayofis rbilobs gaaCnia samkurnalo efeqti.
ferimWamelebis dros aseve urCeven didi raodenobiT miiRon nayofi da misgan saxis
niRbebi daamzadon. xurmis nayofis mudmivi moxmareba zrdis Sromisunarianobas, rac dadebiTad aisaxeba nervul sistemaze. rogorc cnobilia, specialistebi iTvlian xurmis nayofis
daaxloebiT 100 saxes, romelsac mwklarte gemo aqvs.
mwklarte gemos gasaqrobad aucilebelia, xurma gaiyinos. nayofi SeiZleba CavdoT sayinuleSi, riTac icvleba misi gemo. nayofi sasargebloa Warbi wonis mqone adamianebisTvis.
maTi Wama rekomendebulia didi raodenobiT da TiTqmis yoveldRe.
ToTxmetidan oc wlamde asakis ocdaaTi adamianis Tavis tvinis mdgomareobas.
rogorc mogvianebiT gaxda cnobili, axalgazrda adamianebs, romelTac internetis gareSe
cxovreba ver warmoudgeniaT, aReniSnebodaT tvinis ujredebis gamtari gzebis darRveva.
aRvniSnavT, rom adamianebs, romlebic alkoholizmiTa da narkomaniiT itanjebian, aqvT
msgavsi simptomebi da tvinis cudi funqcia. Sedegad, mecnierebi mouwodeben axalgazrdebs,
naklebad dauTmon Zvirfasi dro internetsa da uazro saitebze vizits.
daavadebebi, romlis ukanac boRma imaleba
m
ecnierebma aRmoaCines urTierTkavSiri adamianis agresiasa da mis avadmyofobas Soris. ai,
zogierTi maTgani: farisebri jirkvlis hiperfunqcia-hiperTireozi.
Tireoiduri hormonebis: Tiroqsinis, triidtironinis gazrdili raodenoba provocirebs aRSfoTebas, isterikas. rac yvelaze xSirad
axalgazrda qalebSi SeiniSneba.
daTrgunuli, depresiuli mdgomareoba cxovrebaSi erTxel planetis nebismier adamians
hqonia. zogjer depresia Tveebi grZeldeba, rac usafuZvlo mousvenrobasa da gaRizianebas
iwvevs.
gaRizianeba, romelsac Tan axlavs risxva, depresiuli mdgomareobis erT-erTi gamovlinebaa, romlis gaumjobeseba SesaZlebelia rogorc samkurnalo preparatebis, aseve fizikuri datvirTvis saSualebiT.
insulti da masTan dakavSirebuli nevrologiuri cvlilebebi, aseve, uaryofiT gavlenas
axdens emociur mdgomareobaze. RviZlis hepatiti da cirozi iwvevs RviZlis encefalopaTias, romelsac xasiaTSi axali cvlilebebi Seaqvs.
gverdi moamzada
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elen peijma lesboseloba aRiara
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maikl jeqsons saxelmwifos 702 mln dolari marTebs
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iuxedavad imisa, rom ukve 4 welze metia, rac maikl jeqsoni gardaicvala, mas
aSS-is sagadasaxado uwyebis 702 mln dolari marTebs. samsaxuris warmomadgenlebma sasamarTloSi sarCeli ukve Seitanes.
dokumentebSi aRniSnulia, rom pop-mefis sikvdilis dros, misi qoneba eqspertebis mier 7 mln dolarad iyo Sefasebuli, Tumca uwyebis TanamSromlebi acxadeben, rom sinamdvileSi momRerlis qoneba miliard 125 milions Seadgenda.
aqedan gamomdinare, xuTi wlis ganmavlobaSi uwyebis gaangariSebiT saxelmwifos mimarT jeqsonis valma gadasaxadebis saxiT _ 505 milioni, jarimebis saxiT ki 197
milioni Seadgina.
sagadasaxado samsaxuris warmomadgenelTa TqmiT, maikl jeqsoni gabankrotebuli sulac
m
oulodneli siurprizi gaukeTa Tavis Tayvanismcemlebs kanadelma msaxiobma elen
peijma.
varskvlavi konferenciaze seqsualuri umciresebobebis mxardaWeriT gamovida, sadac Riad aRiara Tavisi aratradiciuli seqsualuri orientacia. 26 wlis
elenma saxeli gaiTqva teleserial `junoSi~ Sesrulebuli roliT, romelmac mas
araerTi nominacia da prestiJuli kinojildo moutana.
serialis premieris Semdeg peijs TayvanismcemelTa mravalmilioniani armia
gauCnda. mamakacTa Jurnalebis mier ki planetis yvelaze seqsualuri qalis titulebic
ergo.
2005 wels eleni film `karamelSi~ monawileobda, romelic mozardi gogonasa da ufrosi
mamakacis siyvarulis Sesaxeb mogviTxrobs. am periodSi eleni msaxiob ben fosters xvdeboda, magram maTi romani iseve moulodnelad damTavrda, rogorc daiwyo.
namdvil sensaciad iqca seqsualuri umciresobebisadmi miZRvnili konferencia, romelic aSS-Si am dReebSi gaimarTa.
peiji am RonisZiebaze stumris statusiT iyo miwveuli, sadac sityviT gamovida. lamazmanma
aRiara Tavisi aratradiciuli seqsualuri orientacia. `me aq imitom var, rom lesboseli
var, da kidev imitom, rom Cemma aRiarebam SesaZloa, raime Secvalos. me minda yofa Sevumsubuqo bevr adamians da mivce imedi _ es Cemi piradi vali da socialuri pasuxismgeblobaa~,
_ gancxada elenma.
qristina agilera Txovdeba
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ristina agilera, romelic ukanasknel wlebSi umetes dros Semoqmedebas uTmobda da ara pirad cxovrebas, Txovdeba! qera lamazmans xeli `boifrendma~ _ meTiu
ratlerma sTxova, razec Tanxmoba miiRo.
momRerlisa da msaxiobis kristina agileras pirveli qorwineba prodiuser
jorjano bratmanTan warumateblad dasrulda _ col-qmari erTmaneTs Svidwliani Tanacxovrebis Semdeg daSorda. agileram es ganSoreba mZimed gadaitana.
varskvlavma Tavisi idealuri forma dakarga, magram ar daukargavs rwmena, rom
odesRac bednieri gaxdeboda.
ase Tu ise, kristinam Tavis TavSi ipova Zala, win waweuliyo da seriozulad dakavda
SemoqmedebiT, wonaSi SesamCnevad daiklo da galamazda. 2011 wels man Sexvedrebi daiwyo
meTiu ratlerTan. samwliani urTierTobis Semdeg meTium, bolos da bolos, gadawyvita,
sayvareli qalisTvis xeli eTxova da wminda valentinis dRes mas uZvirfasesi briliantis
beWedi miarTva. bednierma agileram es sasixarulo siaxle maSinve acnoba Tavis Tayvanismcemlebs da instagramze foto gamoaqveyna, romelzec is Zvirfasi beWdiT Tavs iwonebda.
fotosuraTze ki warwera datova: `man mTxova... da me vuTxari...~
ar yofila. Tavad maiklis simRerebis SesrulebisTvis mis fondSi procentebi iricxeboda. amasTanave, mas
jguf The Beatles-is simRerebze erTpirovnuli ufleba hqonda, ris Sedegadac momRerali mniSvnelovan
Tanxas iRebda.
sikvdilamde ramdenime wlis ganmavlobaSi momRerals arc gastrolebi gaumarTvas da arc albomebi gamouSvia. misi imiji seriozulad
dazaralda pedofiliasTan dakavSirebuli skandalis gamo. Tumca gardacvalebis Semdeg momRerlis simRerebma axali sicocxle SeiZina.
2012 wlisTvis Neverland-is mamulSi eqskursiebma 475 mln dolaris Semosavali moitana, 2013 wels ki, Jurnal Forbes-is informaciiT, jeqsoni yvelaze ma-
RalanazRaurebadi artisti gaxda, romelmac sicocxleSic da sikvdilis Semdegac 160 mln
dolari gamoimuSava.
imisTvis, rom Tavisi simarTle daicvas, sagadasaxado samsaxurma saukeTeso advokatebi
daiqirava, romlebic jeqsonis qonebidan yvela im valis amoRebas Seecdebian, rac saxelmwifos kuTvnilebaa.
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ZiudoistTa 2 brinjao
diuseldorfidan
1-23 Tebervals diuseldorfma ZiudoistTa gran
pris gaTamaSebas umaspinZla. saqarTvelos nakrebi turnirze gadaxalisebuli SemadgenlobiT gamovida da 2 brinjaos medali moipova.
saerTo gundur CaTvlaSi ki me-11 adgili daikava. diuseldorfSi erovnuli gundis gamocdili wevrebidan
kimono laSa SavdaTuaSvilma da adam oqruaSvilma moirges. SavdaTuaSvilma axal woniT kategoriaSi - 73 kilogramSi mosinja Zalebi, Tumca uSedegod.
adam oqruaSvili (+100 kg) tatamze meore wridan gavida da germaneli pier borkovski wuTsa da 21 wamSi daamarcxa. meoTxedfinalSi iaponel hisaioSi harasavasTan
uileTo SexvedraSi gafrTxilebiT waago da damamSvidebel etapze gadaerTo. brinjaos naxevarfinalSi
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borjRalosnebi msoflio Tasze iTamaSeben
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aqarTvelos moragbeTa erovnulma nakrebma, 2014
wlis erTa Tasisa da 2015 wlis msoflio Tasis
SesarCev etapis morig matCSi ruseTi 36:10 daamarcxa da SesarCevi etapis dasrulebamde ori turiT adre, 2015 wlis msoflio Cempionatis sagzuri moipova.
22 Tebervals “dinamo arenaze” gamarTul SexvedraSi, romelsac 50-aTasamde gulSematkivari daeswro,
oqruaSvilma germaneli, andre breitbarti gamoTiSa brZolas.
brinjaos medlisTvis SexvedraSi erTmaneTs ori qarTveli mZimewonosani daeWida - oqruaSvili da levan matiaSvilis
qarTuli dapirispireba 2 wuTSi dasrulda. adam oqruaSvilma jer iuko aiRo, Semdeg ki vazaric Seasrula da swored am
ileTisas levan matiaSvilma fexis travma miiRo, ris gamoc Sexvedris gagrZeleba veRar SeZlo.
90 kilogramSi zviad gogoWurma erTi kviris win obervartis evropis Ria pirvelobaze mopovebul oqros medals gran
pris brinjao miamata. gogoWurma meore wreSi arabeTis gaerTianebuli saemiroebis saxeliT moWidave mixail marCitans
wuTSi da 45 wamSi mougo. meoTxedfinalSi holandiel noel van tendTan uSansod waago - 2 wuTSi jer vazarze daeca, Semdeg
ki sufTa gdebac gamoepara.
brinjaos gzaze gadarTvis Semdeg gogoWurma rusi kiril voprosovi CamoiSora vazariT, repeSaJis finalSi ki frang
romen bufes 34 wami akmara. metoqe xelSi aitaca da beWebze daanarcxa. zviad gogoWurma da adam oqruaSvilma brinjaos
medlebTan erTad 120-120 sareitingo qula gamoimuSaves.
evro 2016-is SesarCev
turnirSi saqarTvelos
erovnuli nakrebi D
jgufSi iasparezebs
e
vro 2016-is SesarCev
turnirSi saqarTvelos
erovnuli nakrebi D
jgufSi iasparezebs
germaniis, irlandiis,
poloneTis, Sotlandiis da gibraltaris gundebTan erTad. sakvalifikacio etapis wilisyra guSin,
23 Tebervals safrangeTis qalaq
nicaSi, akropolisis kongresis
sasaxleSi gaimarTa.
evropis momavali pirveloba
2016 wlis 10 ivnisidan 10 ivlisis
CaTvliT safrangeTSi gaimarTeba.
turniris istoriaSi pirvelad, anri delones saxelobis TasisTvis 24 gundi iasparezebs. Cempionatis maspinZeli safrangeTis garda, finaluri etapis sagzurs pirdapir moipovebs cxra SesarCevi jgufis pirvel-meoreadgilosani da mesameadgilosanTa Soris saukeTeso, xolo danarCen oTx sagzurs rva mesameadgilosani flei-ofiT daadgens.
saqarTvelos erovnuli nakrebi wleuls
oTx oficialur matCs Caatarebs: 7 seqtembers irlandias umaspinZlebs, 11 da 14 oqtombers Sotlandias da gibraltars gaejibreba, 14 noembers ki poloneTs dauxvdeba.
2015 wels Cveni gundis ganrigi aseTia: 29
marti - germania Sin; 13 ivnisi - poloneTi
stumrad; 4 seqtemberi - Sotlandia Sin; 7
seqtemberi - irlandia stumrad; 8 oqtomberi - gibraltari Sin; 11 oqtomberi germania stumrad.
Cven gunds yvela metoqesTan uTamaSia
gibraltaris garda. xazgasasmelia, rom
gibraltaris fexburTis asociacia, romelic Soreul 1895 wels daarsda, uefaSi mxolod 2013 wlis 24 maiss gawevrianda da
axla pirvelad monawileobs didi safexburTo turniris sakvalifikacio etapze.
“borjRalosnebma” metoqes 5 lelo, 4 gardasaxva da 1 sajarimo gautanes, aseve moipoves premialuri qula, romelic
me-4 lelos gatanisaTvis gaicema.
leloebi daviT ziraqaSvilma, mamuka gorgoZem, Tedo
zibzibaZem, viqtor koleliSvilma da giorgi CxaiZem (sajarimo) dades, 3 gardasaxva da 1 sajarimo zustad Seasrula
merab kvirikaSvilma, 1 gardasaxva ki laSa malaRuraZem
gaitana. saqarTvelom ruseTi meTeqvsmeted daamarcxa, 18 matCidan ruseTs mxolod 1 gamarjveba aqvs (1993 wels 15:9), 1
Sexvedra ki fred dasrulda (2002 wels 12:12).
aRsaniSnavia, rom matCze imyofeboda ragbis saerTaSoriso
sabWos ( prezidenti - bernar lapase, romelmac TbilisSi
oficialuri Sexvedrebi gamarTa saqarTvelos premier-ministr - irakli RaribaSvilTan da sportisa da axalgazrdobis saqmeTa ministr - levan yifianTan.
erTa Tasze momdevno Sexvedras saqarTvelos erovnuli
nakrebi 8 marts madridSi espaneTis winaaRmdeg gamarTavs,
turis bolo dapirispireba ki 15 marts TbilisSi rumineTis
winaaRamdeg Sedgeba, sadac 2014 wlis erTa Tasis gamarjvebulis vinaoba gairkveva.
saqarTvelo - germania
evro 1996 - 0:2 (Tbilisi, 29.03.1995), 1:4 (niurnbergi, 06.09.1995)
amxanaguri - 0:2 (rostoki, 07.10.2006)
saqarTvelo -irlandia
evro 2004 - 1:2 (Tbilisi, 29.03.2003), 0:2 (dublini, 11.06.2003)
fifa 2010 - 1:2 (mainci, 06.09.2008), 1:2 (dublini, 11.02.2009)
amxanaguri - 0:4 (dublini, 02.06.2013)
saqarTvelo - poloneTi
fifa 1998 - 1:4 (krakovi, 14.06.1997), 3:0 (Tbilisi, 11.10.1997)
amxanaguri - 0:1 (lubini, 10.08.2011)
saqarTvelo - Sotlandia
evro 2008 - 1:2 (glazgo, 24.03.2007), 2:0 (Tbilisi, 17.10.2007)
erTa Tasis Cempioni, 2015 wlis msoflio Tasze C jgufSi
moxvdeba axali zelandiis, argentinis, tongas da afrikis
saukeTeso nakrebTan erTad.
gverdi moamzada giorgi navrozaSvilma
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verZi 21.03-21.04
rac ufro bunebrivi iqnebiT garSemomyofni miT metad dagafaseben. kargi
periodia axali ideebis gansaxorcieleblad. ecadeT marto gaumklavdeT
problemebs,samsaxurSic dauxmareblad
moagvareT dagrovili saqmeebi. saqmiani
Sexvedrebi, molaparakebebi da xelSekrulebis gaformeba uamrav dros da energias wagarTmevT.
kirCxibi 22.06-22.07
Tqveni azrebi savsea gambedaobiT
da gadawyvetilebis misaRebad. Tu
rames CaifiqrebT saqmes ar gadadebT.
magram, frTxilad mTvaris aseTi mdebareobisas, TviTSemoqmedeba, mcdeloba yvelaferi swrafad da dauyovnebliv gaakeToT konfliqtamde
migiyvanT, rac Tqvens materialur
mdgomareobaze cudad aisaxeba.
saswori 23.09-22.10
nebisyofas gamoiCenT, rac xels Seuwyobs bevri problemis mogvarebas.
Tavs iCens mravali gadaudebeli saqmenakleb savaraudoa, rom maTi ganxorcieleba TqvenTvis sasikeTo iqnes. SesaZlebelia vali dagibrunon an fasiani
saCuqari miiRoT. advili SesaZlebelia
samsaxurSi samarTleblivi da iuridiuli sakiTxebis gadawyvetam mogiwioT.
Txis rqa 22.12-19.01
srul warmatebas miaRwevT biznesSi.
Tqven swor finansur politikas awarmoebT, magram yovelTvis dgebiT cdunebis winaSe. amitom ecadeT gonivrulad
gankargoT finansebi. didi warmatebebis
miRwevis albaToba izrdeba. axali SemoTavazebebi da winadadebebi sasiamovno moulodneloba iqneba. mosalodnelia warmateba karieraSi.
kuro 22.04-21.05
codnis miRebis droa, rac momavalSi gamogadgebaT. saukeTeso droa
saqmiani garigebebis da axali
proeqtebis dasawyebad. axali biznes
partnioris gamoCena did warmatebas
gimzadebT.. nu miscemT saSualebas
emociebs gadaefaros Tqvens gonebas
da saR azrs mogwyvitoT. arasasurveli droa xeli moaweroT garigebas.
lomi 23.07-22.08
es kvira sakmarisad kargia mogzaurobis, mivlinebebis, gadadgilebisTvis. mTlianobaSi xelsayrelia. SesaZlebelia Zveli gadasaxadebis gadaxda mogTxovon. kargi da warmatebulia nebismieri mniSvnelovani da umniSvnelo saqmis dasawyebad. naRveli
da mwuxareba droebiTi aRmoCndeba.
sasargebloa finansuri garigebisTvis.
Rriankali 23.10-21.11
Secdomebis daSvebis albaToba maRalia, gamoiCineT maqsimaluri yuradReba. Aar aris sasurveli xelSelrulebebis gaformeba.saqmian partniorebTan urTierTobisas maqsimaluri
yuradReba gamoiCineT,radgan maTTan
urTierToba Tqvens biznes keTildReobas pirdeba. gariskeT da mogeba
gagiormagdebaT.
merwyuli 20.01-18.02
kargi droa sarfiani garigebebis, sabanko operaciebis Sesasruleblad. yvela saqme am dRes dawyebuli mogebas
mogitanT. yvela xelSekrulebasa da garigebas sifrTxiliT miudeqiT, nu miiRebT
swraf da naCqarev gadawyvetilebas. ar
aris sasurveli valis aReba. yvela wamowyeba warmatebuli iqneba. kargi droa biznesiT dakavebuli adamianebisTvis.
meril stripis qorwinebas safrTxe emuqreba
a
merikuli media msaxiob meril stripisa da skulptor don hameris mosalodneli
gayris Sesaxeb alaparakda. cnobili wyvili erTad 35 welia cxovrobs. Tumca
media wers, rom maT qorwinebas bzarebi gauCnda.
rogorc amboben, maTi SesaZlo gayris mizezi jek nikolsonis Sesaxeb mark
eliotis mier dawerili wignia, romelic ramdenime xnis win gamoica. am wignma
naTeli mofina bevr im saidumlos, romelic manamde damaluli iyo. maT Soris is,
rom 1980-ian wlebSi cnobil gulTampyrobel nikolsons vnebiani romani hqonda
meril stripTan.
maT urTierTobaSi kidev erT problemad iqca msaxiobis datvirTuli samuSao grafiki.
stripi samuSaos yovelTvis did yuradRebas uTmobda, rac mis qmars arasdros moswonda.
wyvilis megobrebi seriozulad SiSoben, rom stripisa da hameris urTierToba msgavs gaugebrobebs didxans ver gauZlebs.
aRsaniSnavia, rom holivudSi maTi ojaxi yovelTvis myar kavSirad miiCneoda. hamersa da
strips 4 Svili hyavT.
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tyupebi 22.05-21.06
es kvira sakuTari saqcieli gaanalizebas dauTmeT. nu gamoavlenT agresias. grZelvadian proeqtebs am nu wamoiwyebT. adamianebTan urTierTobis
survili gamogexatebaT. axali ideebi
momavalSi moulodnel mogebas gpirdebaT. Tamamad SegiZliaT Tqveni azrebi
garSemomyofT gauziaroT.
qalwuli 23.08-22.09
saukeTeso droa uZravi kapitalis
SesaZenad, axali garigebis dasadebad.
es kvira sakmaod warmatebuli da kidev
ufro bednierebis momtania. yvela
saqme, aseve xelSekrulebebi da kontraqtebi sasurvelia gavaanalizoT da
partniorebTan ganvixiloT. es kvira
mogebas gpirdebaT. ecadeT daxmarebis
xeli gauwodeT axlobel adamianebs.
mSvildosani
22.11-21.12
mZime, damRleli saqmianobis
Semdeg, SegiZliaT Tavs dasvenebis ufleba misceT. materialuri
mdgomareoba stabiluria. ar aris
sasurveli xelSekrulebebis da
garigebebis dadeba, radgan SesaZloa yvelaferi Tqvens sawinaaRmdegod semobrundes. mosalodnelia samuSaos Secvla.
Tevzebi 19.02-20.03
albaToba fulis miRebisa maRalia ara
erTi aramed ramodenime saqmidan. gamoiCineT sidinje. nu midixarT jiqurad
- da Tqven SeZlebT miznis miRwevas.
cvlilebebia mosalodneli, frTxilad
airCieT partniori- savaraudod masTan
urTierToba xangrZlivaT mogiwevT.
SesaZlebelia vali dagibrunon an fasiani saCuqari miiRoT.
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babilina
erisTavi-dadeSqeliani.
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aleqsandre
oqropiriZe.
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konstantine (kote) dimitris Ze yifiani.
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mwerali
anastasia
aleqsandre
maWutaZe.
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