Transcript (Day 96) - Royal Commission into Institutional Responses
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Transcript (Day 96) - Royal Commission into Institutional Responses
ROYAL COMMISSION INTO INSTITUTIONAL RESPONSES TO CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE Public Hearing - Case Study 19 (Day 96) Level 17, Governor Macquarie Tower Farrer Place, Sydney On Wednesday, 22 October 2014 at 10am Before the Chair: Commissioner: Counsel Assisting: .22/10/2014 (96) Justice Peter McClellan AM Mr Robert Fitzgerald AM Mr David Lloyd 10021 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 MR D LLOYD: Your Honour, Commissioner, I appear as counsel assisting the Commission. THE CHAIR: Are there any other appearances? MS M ENGLAND: May it please your Honour, I appear for the Department of Family and Community Services. THE CHAIR: Yes, I think you already have leave. anyone else? Yes, MR P MENZIES QC: If your Honour pleases, I appear with my learned friend Mr Kell, pursuant to leave granted, for the State of New South Wales -THE CHAIR: Yes, thank you. MR MENZIES: -- and Ms Helen Allison as well, your Honour, and Mr Ian Knight. MS M GERACE: Your Honour and Commissioner, I appear for Ms Janet Loughman. Leave has been granted. THE CHAIR: Very well. You have leave, yes. Yes, Mr Lloyd. Is there anyone else? MR LLOYD: Thank you, your Honour. Before I make an opening statement, could I hand up to your Honour a pseudonym direction and a direction not to publish, pursuant to section 6D(3) of the Royal Commissions Act, and invite your Honour to make that direction and that order. THE CHAIR: direction. Yes, I have made both the order and the MR LLOYD: Thank you. Your Honour and Commissioner, this is the Royal Commission's 19th case study. This case study concerns allegations of child sexual abuse of a number of former residents of the Bethcar Children's Home in Brewarrina, New South Wales and the way that the State responded to those allegations and the litigation brought by a number of those former residents. Bethcar was a home for Aboriginal children which was run in Brewarrina, and later Orange, by Mr Bert and Mrs Edith Gordon from about 1969 to 1989. Between about 1974 and 1984 Mr and Mrs Gordon's adopted daughter, [AIT], .22/10/2014 (96) 10022 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 and her husband, Mr Colin Gibson, also resided at Bethcar and were involved in the running of the home. Bethcar was, at least for part of the period of its operation, licensed by and received funding from what is now known as the Department of Family and Community Services, which for convenience I'll refer to as "the department". Children came to be placed at Bethcar in different circumstances. Some were admitted to the control of the State and placed at Bethcar. Some were committed by the court to the care of Mr and Mrs Gordon, and some were placed voluntarily by their families. It is anticipated that each of the former residents who will be called to give evidence will say that they were subjected to serious and, in some cases, repeated sexual abuse by Mr Gibson and Mr Gordon over many years. They will also give evidence of the devastating effect of that abuse on them. This public hearing will inquire into the following matters: the experience of the former residents of Bethcar; the monitoring and control of residents of and operations at Bethcar; the response of the NSW Police to complaints made by some residents of Bethcar; the conduct of the civil proceedings brought by 15 former residents of Bethcar against the State of New South Wales between 2008 and 2013; and the applications made by former residents of Bethcar for victims compensation and the current operation of the victims compensation scheme in New South Wales. There will be particular emphasis on the way in which the civil proceedings brought by 15 former residents of Bethcar against the State were conducted. That litigation had a protracted history. It was commenced in mid-2008 and concluded earlier this year after a mediation. At the mediation, each of the former residents who were still parties to the proceedings agreed to settle their claims for approximately $107,000 in damages and an apology. It is anticipated that the evidence will disclose, by that time, the State's costs were over $930,000 and the former residents' costs, which the State agreed to pay, were approximately $1,240,000. .22/10/2014 (96) 10023 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Whether the manner in which the State conducted the proceedings was in accordance with the model litigant policy for civil litigation in New South Wales will be explored in evidence. By examining the Bethcar civil litigation in this public hearing, the Commission expects to highlight a number of systemic issues that are being examined in its work on civil litigation, including model litigant obligations, time limitation defences, the need for particulars, and the costs and delay in litigation. The other purpose of this hearing is to explore what avenues for redress are available to victims of crime in New South Wales and to contribute to the Commission's work on redress. I will now set out the manner in which Bethcar was established. In February 1969, Mr and Mrs Gordon moved to Old Mission in Brewarrina and obtained a five-year lease for the old Brewarrina mission from the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs. During this period, various local people in the Aboriginal community began approaching the Gordons and asking them if they would consider taking Aboriginal children into their care. In 1973 Mr Gordon applied to have his home recognised as a children's home. In February 1974 five children were committed to the care of Mr Gordon after the magistrate learned that the department would be assisting Mr Gordon. In about 1974 the Gordons received a $90,000 government grant through the Aboriginal Lands Trust, which held title to the home, for the construction of a new home on the old mission site. In 1974 the department conducted three visits to Bethcar. It also spoke to the local school headmaster about the welfare of the children residing at Bethcar. Resident district officers from the department attended Bethcar several times a year. The officers inspected the premises to ensure that the facility was operating in accordance with the licensing conditions under the Child Welfare Act and in respect of the care of the children in the home. On 4 March 1975 the Commonwealth government approved funds of $10,500 for the Gordons. In addition, the .22/10/2014 (96) 10024 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 department was paying a continuing case grant for the children for the period October 1974 to March 1975 at the rate of $10.50 per week per child. In a press release issued by the Aboriginal Lands Trust of New South Wales on 21 May 1976, the chairman of the trust said this: The establishment of the Bethcar Aboriginal Children's Home at Brewarrina is a most unique and important step in the welfare of disadvantaged Aboriginal children facing confinement to an institution. On 7 June 1976 Mr Gordon was granted a permit pursuant to section 32 of the Child Welfare Act to operate Bethcar for six months as a children's home pending the approval of a licence. The permit specified the following conditions: keeping no more than 24 children at Bethcar; provision of adequate and suitable staff; permission, on council approval, to operate a children's home; compliance with the Board of Fire Commissioner's recommendations; that children under two years of age to be accommodated only while Mr and Mrs Gordon remained in charge; and the provision of adequate and suitable furnishings. The section 32 permit was extended for further six-month periods in December 1976, September 1977 and January 1978. The five-year lease on the old mission at Brewarrina was extended to a 25-year lease by 1978. From 1978 a licence, pursuant to section 29 of the Child Welfare Act, was granted to Mr Gordon to control Bethcar Children's Home as a licensed premises. In or about October 1980 Mr and Mrs Gordon received an award from the New South Wales Youth and Community Affairs Minister, Rex Jackson, as childcare parents of the year. I will now address the anticipated evidence of the experience of the former residents of Bethcar, who will be called to give evidence. As I noted earlier, it is anticipated that the Commission will hear evidence from a number of former residents of Bethcar that they were subjected to serious .22/10/2014 (96) 10025 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 and, in some cases, repeated sexual abuse while they were there. It is anticipated that Ms Kathleen Biles will give evidence that she was made a ward of the State at the age of 2 and shortly thereafter placed at Bethcar, where she resided until she was about 15 years of age. Ms Biles will give evidence of sexual abuse starting from when she was about 5 years old. She will recall complaining to Mrs Gordon the first time the abuse happened, only to be called a liar and flogged with a belt and sent to bed. She will recall several instances of abuse at the hands of Mr Gordon until she was 15 years old, including digital penetration, rubbing his penis in her face and trying to put it in her mouth, oral sex, and full sexual intercourse. She will give evidence that she told a welfare officer at the Social Security office in Orange about the abuse, but she was told that one of the other girls needed to come forward as well and that nothing happened. Ms Biles will describe her experience of making a complaint to the police about the abuse by Mr Gordon and of her experience as the lead plaintiff in a civil claim for compensation against the State. I will say more about that litigation shortly, and the evidence will also explore aspects of it. It is anticipated that Ms Jodie Moore will give evidence that between the ages of 6 and 16 years she resided at Bethcar. She will give evidence of sexual abuse at the hands of both Mr Gordon and Mr Gibson. Ms Moore will give evidence that she was so afraid of Mr Gibson coming into her room to sexually abuse her that she wet the bed until she finally left Bethcar and that she even deliberately broke her own arm just so that she could get a break from the sexual abuse. She will also give evidence that she was sexually abused, on average, once a week by Mr Gibson, ranging from digital penetration to full sexual intercourse. She will give evidence that she often suffered physical pain and bleeding from her vagina as a result of the assaults. On occasion, she would run away from Bethcar, only to be brought back and beaten by Mrs Gordon for running away. She learned not to tell adults of her problems, for fear of .22/10/2014 (96) 10026 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 causing more problems. Ms Moore will give evidence that when government officials came to visit the children at Bethcar, they would interview them in the presence of the Gordons. Ms Moore will also give evidence that a welfare officer from DoCS took her and some other children from Bethcar to the police station, where statements were taken by the police, but that the children were returned to Bethcar by the DoCS officers, only to be beaten by Mr and Mrs Gordon. Ms Moore will describe her experience of making a complaint to the police about the abuse by Mr Gibson and her experience as one of the plaintiffs in the civil claim for compensation against the State. It is anticipated that Ms Amelia Moore will give evidence that between the ages of 6 and 16 years she resided at Bethcar. She was taken there by her father for safekeeping after her mother died, as he was an alcoholic. She will give evidence that she was sexually abused by Mr Gibson. There was on occasion when Mr Gibson grabbed her and tried to push her on the floor of one of the houses and kiss her on the neck, but they were interrupted by Mr Gibson's wife. On another occasion, Mr Gibson touched her on the breast. She told a number of people about that incident, including a welfare officer with DoCS at the time. Ms Amelia Moore will also describe her experience as one of the plaintiffs in the civil claim for compensation against the State. It is anticipated that [AIQ] will give evidence that she resided at Bethcar from the age of 3 months until she was 7 or 8 years of age. She will give evidence of sexual abuse at the hands of Mr Gibson from about the time that she was 2 or 3. She will give evidence of many occasions of sexual abuse at the hands of Mr Gibson, including two incidents when she was 5 years old where he had full sexual intercourse with her, causing bleeding from her vagina. [AIQ] will give evidence of another occasion of sexual assault causing her again to bleed from her vagina and be late for dinner and that she was flogged by Mrs Gordon for .22/10/2014 (96) 10027 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 being late. She will give evidence that she did not report the abuse out of fear, until she confided in her foster sister when she was in her late 30s. As a plaintiff in the civil proceedings against the State, [AIQ] will also give evidence that the process was difficult, in that she had to relive the horrible memories. It is anticipated that [AIH] will give evidence that when she was about 11 years old, she was taken from her mother by the Welfare Department and placed at Bethcar. She will give evidence of sexual abuse at the hands of Mr Gibson. On one occasion when she was about 12 years old, he came into her room and pushed her under the bed, touching her breasts and rubbing her vagina, only stopping when someone approached. She then had to attend a Bible class reading led by Mr Gibson. [AIH] did not tell anyone about the abuse, as she felt that no-one believed the other girls when they complained and thought she would just get a hiding. Finally, it is anticipated that Ms Leonie Knight will give evidence that at about the age of 13 she was placed at Bethcar after being picked up by the police or DoCS and taken to the Children's Court. She will give evidence of sexual abuse at the hands of Mr Gordon almost immediately after arriving at Bethcar. She will give evidence that in 1983 she went to the police station in Bourke to make a statement about the abuse but that no action was taken at that time. As a plaintiff in the civil proceedings, Ms Knight will give evidence that she found the process extremely stressful. All of the women will give evidence of the devastating effect the sexual abuse has had upon their lives, including alcohol, drug, and mental health problems, problems with intimacy, violent domestic relationships. And difficulties in caring for their children and holding down employment. I will now address the circumstances in which the department and the police became aware of problems at Bethcar. .22/10/2014 (96) 10028 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 The evidence is expected to disclose that the department was aware of problems with sexual abuse at Bethcar from at least early 1980 and that problems with sexual abuse at Bethcar were brought to the department's attention on a number of occasions in 1983 and 1984. On 5 March 1980, Mr Terry Madden, the resident district officer of the department at Brewarrina, was requested by the Brewarrina police to attend the station because the police had received some information about Bethcar. Allegations had been made by a number of residents of Bethcar about Mr Colin Gibson. There was an interview at Brewarrina police station between the police and the girls on 5 March 1980. The girls told the police that Mr Gibson had made a pass at one resident, was seen peeping at some of the residents through bedroom windows, and had touched the breasts of another resident, Ms Amelia Moore, who as noted, will give evidence at this hearing. Allegations were also made by Ms Jodie Moore, who will also give evidence, that she had woken in the night to see Mr Gibson hiding between beds dressed in his underpants or pyjamas. She also saw him peeping at her through a bedroom window. Mr Madden was present at the interview. After it, he prepared a memorandum titled "Problems at Bethcar Children's Home, Brewarrina". In that memorandum, he observed that at the interview the Bethcar girls had "answered their questions very truthfully and without any prompting and appeared to be genuine in their belief that these episodes had occurred". Mr Madden the outcome of that Mr Gordon received about concluded that the department should await the police inquiries, but expressed concerns had not taken action about complaints he had Mr Gibson, who was his son-in-law. The Brewarrina police then referred the matter to Bourke detectives, who apparently planned to brief a female detective from Dubbo, Ms Kaye McMahon. The proposal was for Detective McMahon to travel to Brewarrina to interview all the Bethcar girls to ascertain whether charges should be laid. .22/10/2014 (96) 10029 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 After that initial interview at Brewarrina, two detectives interviewed the girls from Bethcar who had made the complaints. At this interview, however, the girls advised that they had no complaints to make. On this occasion, they stated that they were quite happy at Bethcar and had no problems. It is anticipated that the evidence will disclose that the girls had all been returned to Bethcar between the first interview and the second interview. Mr Madden recorded in a further memorandum dated 8 May 1980 that he was "still apprehensive about whether Colin did or did not do anything" and that when he attended the police interview on 5 March 1980 "the girls appeared to be composed and did not appear to be telling lies". Mr Madden's conclusion was that as there was no police action, the only course the department could take would be to adopt a watching brief. The decision was taken by Mr Madden not to place any further children into the Bethcar home at this stage. On 28 September 1983, Mr I Robinson, the resident district officer at Bourke, prepared a memorandum in which reference was made to allegations by a resident at Bethcar, Ms Leonie Knight, about abuse at Bethcar by Mr Gordon. It appears that Ms Knight's parents did not wish to pursue any allegations in respect of Mr Gordon. Subsequently, Ms KL Fishburn, relieving resident district officer, employed by the department at Brewarrina, prepared a further memorandum headed "Alleged child sexual abuse in respect of Leonie Knight". This memorandum recorded that her investigation revealed that one of the residents, then aged about 7, appeared to share a bed with Mr Gordon. Ms Fishburn said that she was "very concerned that the allegations of sexual abuse in respect of Leonie Knight have not been followed up and more information gathered". In a report dated 16 November 1983 Mr Bruce Foat, acting operations manager (Western Region) of the department, recorded a visit by him and Ms Anne Dimech, resident district officer at Brewarrina, to Bethcar on 17 October 1983. The report records allegations by various .22/10/2014 (96) 10030 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 residents, including that Mr Gordon had touched one of the residents' breasts and was in and out of her room all the time and was doing the same to other girls at Bethcar. Consideration was given as to what steps the department should take. The conclusion was that "to not investigate these allegations fully, even if there is no substance to them, is to leave children at Bethcar in an unacceptable at-risk situation". It was resolved to put the available evidence in the hands of police, and this occurred. There is no evidence of any further action the department took in relation to this matter. On 9 April 1984 Ms Dimech referred to a complaint by Ms Amelia Moore, including that Mr Gordon had called her a "cock sucker" while she was at Bethcar. Ms Moore was 15 years old at the time. On 10 April 1984 the NSW Police department wrote to Mr CJ Wilson, acting resident district officer of the western regional office of the department. The letter was in respect of allegations made by Ms Leonie Knight about Mr Gibson. The police said that in the absence of a complaint that would substantiate court action, the police believed that any further action would be unsuccessful and "would only result in undermining the relationship that currently exists between police and the Aboriginal community in this area". There is no evidence of further action by the department in relation to this matter. The department conducted two reviews of Bethcar in 1984 to consider whether it was appropriate for Bethcar to be moved from Brewarrina to Orange. It was recommended that approval be given for the home to move to Orange. The Bethcar home was moved to Orange in about 1984 and operated there until it was closed down in 1989. I will now address the relevant events concerning when complaints were made by some former residents to the police after Bethcar was closed. In December 1999 Ms Jodie Moore made a complaint to the police about sexual assaults perpetrated on her in .22/10/2014 (96) 10031 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 about 1987 while she was a resident at Bethcar. nominated Mr Gibson as the offender. Ms Moore The police investigated. The investigation revealed the following: one, on or about 8 June 2001, Senior Constable Amanda Kelly located a record of interview held at the Bourke branch of the department between Constable Kylie Millhouse and a former resident of Bethcar then aged 13, dated 9 November 1992. In that interview, the victim disclosed that Colin Gibson and [REDACTED], presumably Bert Gordon, had indecently assaulted her at various times. Two, on 10 December 2002 the police spoke to a Mr Graeme Eggins. Mr Eggins was a DoCS worker at Brewarrina in the late 1970s and 1980s. He remembered an allegation of sexual abuse in relation to a resident at Bethcar he believed was in relation to Mr Gordon. He recalled that he had documented the complaint on the DoCS files at the time. Thirdly, on 12 December 2002 the police interviewed Mr Terry Madden, the author of the memoranda referred to earlier. Mr Madden told the police that he "believed that the children were telling the truth and that Colin Gibson was a risk". Fourthly, the police also interviewed Mr John Hayes on 12 December 2002. Mr Hayes recalled an investigation relating to Ms Leonie Knight of sexual assault by Mr Gordon. Complaints were subsequently made by [AIE], [AII], [AIO] and [AIH] about sexual abuse by Mr Gibson. A complaint was made by Ms Kathleen Biles about abuse by Mr Gordon. Mr Gibson was charged with a number of offences as follows: five counts of sexual assault of Ms Jodie Moore between 1976 and 1983 when Ms Moore was aged between 5 and 13; a count of sexual assault and a count of assault and indecency in relation to [AIE] between 1979 and 1980, when she was aged between 7 and 9; a count of assault and indecency in relation to [AII] in 1978 when she was aged between 10 and 11; a count of sexual assault of [AIO] between 1976 and 1977 when she was aged between 6 and 7; .22/10/2014 (96) 10032 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 and a count of assault and indecency in relation to [AIH] in 1980 when she was aged between 12 and 13. In October 2006, the trial concerning the allegations made by Ms Jodie Moore commenced. Mr Gibson was found guilty. On 19 April 2007 Mr Gibson was found guilty in respect of the allegations made by [AIO]. Mr Gibson was sentenced in respect of the [AIO] offences to 12 years' imprisonment and, it appears, a total of 18 years' imprisonment in respect of the Jodie Moore offences. Mr Gibson pleaded guilty to the charges in relation to the [AII] offences on or about 12 April 2007. In light of those developments, [AIH] and [AIE] indicated they did not wish to proceed with their complaints. They had given evidence at the earlier trials. As a consequence, it appears that the complaints of [AIH] and [AIE] were no billed. A decision was taken by the police not to charge Mr Gordon in respect of the complaint by Ms Kathleen Biles based on a lack of corroboration and the fact that Mr Gordon was elderly and in poor health and was unlikely to live to see the matters progress to trial. Mr Gordon passed away in 2006. However, Detective Senior Constable PE Freer said this in a memorandum dated 20 February 2008: It is my view that Kathleen Biles' complaints are legitimate. There should not be a negative inference taken from the fact that police were unable to prosecute in her specific case. Kathleen Biles presented as a person of excellent character and integrity. Further to this, she showed a great deal of courage to travel from her home in North Queensland and give evidence in a tendency witness capacity at the trial of Colin Gibson in Dubbo. I will next deal with the civil litigation that was brought by some of the former residents. In May 2008 two former residents of Bethcar, [AIL] and .22/10/2014 (96) 10033 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Douglas Biles, commenced proceedings against the State in the District Court of New South Wales, making allegations that they were sexually abused while at Bethcar by Mr Gordon and Mr Gibson; that the State was vicariously liable for the actions of Mr Gordon and Mr Gibson; and, also, that the State was liable for the failures by the department to act on the knowledge that they had of the sexual abuse at Bethcar. Bell & Johnson Solicitors were acting for [AIL] and Mr Douglas Biles. On or about 13 June 2008 Mr Richard Kelly, Assistant Crown Solicitor, Torts-Service/Regulatory, at the Crown Solicitor's Office, allocated the proceedings commenced to a solicitor then employed by the Crown Solicitor's Office, Mr Evangelos Manollaras, a grade I-III solicitor, under the supervision of Ms Helen Allison, a senior solicitor. On 18 June 2008, the Crown Solicitor's Office wrote to Bell & Johnson noting that although the statement of claim was filed on behalf of two plaintiffs, only [AIL]'s name was recorded on the front page. The point was that Mr Biles' name should also be on the front page. A point was also taken that each action should be separately pleaded, with its own statement of claim and statement of particulars, and that the claims were brought well outside of the limitation period. On 15 July 2008 a statement of claim was filed on behalf of 13 plaintiffs who were former residents of Bethcar. The allegations made were very similar to the allegations made in the [AIL] proceedings. The solicitor for those 13 plaintiffs was Ms Janet Loughman, the principal solicitor of the Women's Legal Services NSW. The Women's Legal Services NSW is a State-wide, government-funded, not-for-profit legal community centre, which was established to provide community legal services to women, particularly those who are disadvantaged in their access to justice. The 13 plaintiffs brought their action against the State in one statement of claim. Those 13 plaintiffs were Kathleen Biles, [AII], Jodie Moore, [AIE], [AIG], [AIO], [AIH], [AIN], Amelia Moore, Leonie Knight, [AIQ], [AIS] and .22/10/2014 (96) 10034 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 [AIF]. The file for the proceedings commenced by the Women's Legal Services for the 13 plaintiffs was also allocated to Mr Manollaras. The Crown Solicitor's Office retained junior counsel, Mr Patrick Saidi, at an early stage. On 7 August 2008 the Crown Solicitor's Office issued a lengthy request for particulars to the solicitors for [AIL] and Mr Biles. On 10 September 2008 the plaintiffs in the Kathleen Biles proceedings filed a motion that both proceedings be tried together with evidence in one matter being evidence in the other. Both sets of proceedings were listed for directions on 11 September 2008. The judicial registrar stated that she wanted to see a separate statement of claim in respect of each of the 15 plaintiffs. However, counsel for the plaintiffs noted that a motion had been filed seeking to amalgamate all the actions into one statement of claim. On 22 December 2008 the Women's Legal Services wrote to the Crown Solicitor's Office asking the Crown Solicitor's Office whether the State was intending to raise a limitation defence and whether the State was prepared to admit any allegations made in the statement of claim. On 23 December 2008 the Crown Solicitor's Office replied stating that its present instructions were to raise a limitation defence and, in view of the state of the pleadings, it was not possible to make any admissions. On 9 February 2009 the Women's Legal Services filed a notice of motion seeking a declaration that at all relevant times each of the plaintiffs was under a disability within the meaning of section 52 of the Limitation Act, thereby suspending the running of time under that Act and, in the alternative, that the limitation period be extended. On 11 February 2009 the State filed a notice of motion in the [AIL] proceedings seeking orders that the statement of claim be struck out or that proceedings be dismissed. The notice of motion came on for hearing before Judge Knox on 1 and 8 May 2009. Judge Knox held that the actions should be consolidated, with evidence in one being evidence in all other matters. His Honour made orders that .22/10/2014 (96) 10035 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 the plaintiffs provide further particulars. On or about 10 June 2009 the particulars were provided by the plaintiffs, as ordered by Judge Knox. The Crown Solicitor's Office wrote to counsel on 23 June 2009 about the proceedings. In that letter, it was asserted that the plaintiffs were attempting to avoid providing particulars. The possibility of an early resolution of the proceedings was raised. It was noted that this had not been discussed with the department. The Crown Solicitor's Office said that it wanted to discuss the issue with counsel before raising it with the department. The Crown Solicitor's Office suggested that the possibility of an early resolution of the proceedings might be discussed at an upcoming conference with the department scheduled for 29 June. A conference did occur between Mr Saidi, Mr Arblaster, another barrister retained by the Crown Solicitor's Office, Mr Manollaras and Ms Young from the department on 29 June 2009. The notes of the conference record no discussion of the prospect of early resolution. On 23 September 2009 the Women's Legal Services wrote to the Crown Solicitor's Office on behalf of all plaintiffs to the effect that the State's complaints about lack of particulars were not well founded. On 1 October 2009 the Crown Solicitor's Office replied to the Women's Legal Services complaining that the particulars supplied were inadequate. On 2 October 2009 the Crown Solicitor's Office wrote to the department and sought to clarify the department's attitude to whether attempts should be made to settle the claims. On 8 October 2009 Ms Young responded to the Crown Solicitor's Office noting that she had given instructions to pursue the interlocutory matters, including the limitation defence, and that it was not appropriate at that stage to make anything other than purely economic offers to the plaintiffs. The proceedings were listed before the court for directions on 16 October 2009. On that occasion, orders were made requiring each plaintiff, by 27 November, to .22/10/2014 (96) 10036 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 provide further particulars of their claims. On 4 November 2009 Mr Manollaras wrote to Mr Saidi referring to a conference with the department scheduled for 12 November 2009. The Crown Solicitor's Office noted that Ms Young wished to discuss the options open to the department in relation to resolving the claims. Mr Manollaras, in the letter, noted that on a commercial basis if the matter could be resolved for up to $400,000 plus costs, it might save the department that amount in costs alone. In the letter, Mr Manollaras said that he agreed with earlier comments of Mr Saidi that "the junior counsel for the plaintiffs, Ms Wall, and the solicitor from the Women's Legal Services NSW, are more motivated in pursuing this action than any of the plaintiffs themselves". In that letter, Mr Manollaras also said that if it was the case that the department or Minister had any direct supervisory responsibility in relation to Bethcar and if it was established that the department took no steps to protect the plaintiffs, the court would be scathing in its criticism of the department. He also noted that the department was obliged, as a model litigant, to consider mediation and asked counsel to give this some thought. A suggestion was made that Mr Saidi might telephone Mr Catsanos, lead counsel for the plaintiffs, to discuss the question of settlement. Mr Saidi responded in writing on 10 November 2009 reporting a discussion with Ms Wall of counsel where she had indicated that, on a compromise basis, each plaintiff was "worth $200,000 at a minimum". In that letter, Mr Saidi reported his view "that a number of the plaintiffs, if not a majority of them, are nowhere near as interested in the pursuit of these proceedings as their lawyers may be. One would suspect that some of the plaintiffs would accept any reasonable offer made in these proceedings". Further particulars were provided by the plaintiffs, as ordered, on 27 November 2009. On that day, the Women's Legal Services wrote to the Crown Solicitor's Office inquiring as to whether the State wished to participate in a formal mediation, noting "that the litigation would be .22/10/2014 (96) 10037 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 complex, expensive, and for our clients emotionally demanding". The Crown Solicitor's Office wrote to Mr Saidi on 1 December 2009. The Crown Solicitor's Office made the following observation in relation to the Women's Legal Services proposal for mediation: I may be wrong, but I get the impression that the Women's Legal Services NSW' view of mediation is a situation where the defendant turns up with a chequebook and, after some polite conversation with the plaintiffs' lawyers and several cups of coffee, the plaintiffs walk off with damages in the order of what was discussed between Mr Catsanos, somewhere in the vicinity of $3 million. The Crown Solicitor's Office in that letter said that whilst mediation may be an option, it could not be considered at this stage while the plaintiffs had not particularised their claims, and that it might be possible to agree in principle to a mediation subject to there being a timetable in relation to particulars and the service of medical evidence and that this was an alternative to running the matter to trial. The Crown Solicitor's Office noted that they had not shared any of the views in the letter with the department and would await counsel's consideration. On 1 December 2009 the Crown Solicitor's Office wrote to the department, including in relation to the Women's Legal Services' suggestion to mediate. A point was made that it might be too early to mediate, although it would be possible to set up a timetable with a view to mediating the matter in, say, 12 months' time rather than running it at trial in four or five years' time. On 3 December 2009 Mr Saidi wrote to the Crown Solicitor's Office saying that mediation was always a good option for a defendant; however, for it to be effective, it required the plaintiffs' lawyers to understand and appreciate the legal issues. He recorded doubts as to whether the plaintiffs' legal advisers "have even the most basic idea as to what the legal issues are and what .22/10/2014 (96) 10038 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 liability problems each plaintiff faces". It is anticipated that the evidence will disclose that on 26 February 2010 Ms Allison ceased to be the person responsible for supervising Mr Manollaras. On 29 March 2010 the Crown Solicitor's Office obtained a statement from Mr Terry Madden, who I referred to earlier. In that statement, Mr Madden accepted that he should have taken more action when he became aware of the problems at Bethcar in March 1980. Mr Madden also said that based on his experience in sexual abuse investigations, he "formed the view that Ms Jodie Moore and Ms Amelia Moore were being honest in what they had said". In June 2010 defences were filed on behalf of the State. Liability was denied. In relation to [AII], the State did not admit the allegation that she had suffered injury at Bethcar when subjected to physical, mental, emotional and sexual abuse perpetrated by the Gordons and Mr Gibson. The same non-admission was made in respect of Ms Jodie Moore and [AIO]. It will be remembered that Mr Gibson had been convicted by a jury in respect of the allegations of abuse by Ms Jodie Moore and [AIO] and that he had pleaded guilty to the abuse of [AII]. The allegations of abuse were also not admitted for each of the other plaintiffs. The proceedings were listed for directions on 21 June 2010. On that occasion, the judicial registrar raised the prospect that the matters might be resolved at mediation. Mr Manollaras instructed counsel appearing for the State that the State was not interested in a mediation at that time. The Crown Solicitor's Office estimated by that stage the potential witness list for the State was "over 70". In an email reporting to Ms Young of the department, Mr Manollaras on 22 June 2010 raised the possibility of undertaking some surveillance on at least some of the plaintiffs and suggested an initial budget of $20,000 to $30,000 to undertake surveillance. The Crown Solicitor's Office received a statement from Ms Kathryn Fishburn dated 30 June 2010. Ms Fishburn had .22/10/2014 (96) 10039 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 been employed by the department, and she relieved as the resident district officer at Brewarrina for six weeks during 1983. Ms Fishburn, in her statement, said that she was taken aback by the sleeping arrangements at Bethcar, where Mr Gordon slept with one of the boys who lived at Bethcar. She could not remember what action she took about the situation she observed at Bethcar. On 6 July 2010 Mr Manollaras wrote to Mr Saidi commenting on the statement of Ms Fishburn. In that email, Mr Manollaras made comments about allegations that Ms Leonie Knight had made to the effect that Mr Gordon had "comforted her by hugging her, kissing her and fondling her breasts". In that correspondence, Mr Manollaras wondered whether Ms Leonie Knight had exaggerated her account. He also said this: For example, a distressed child could be comforted in a normal manner by a hug and a kiss. Granted I am having problem with fondling of breasts, but I still think it is a quantum leap, even if there was some fondling of breasts, to conclude sexual interference. At the time of the alleged incident, Ms Leonie Knight was 14 years of age. Mr Manollaras also said that while the focus had been on whether the plaintiffs could establish a nexus between Bethcar and the department, he was now wondering "whether there was any abuse, to start with". Mr Manollaras attended a conference with Mr Saidi and Mr Arblaster on 25 August 2010. In that conference, counsel advised that the best bet for the defendant was to "knock off" as many plaintiffs as possible on the limitation question. Mr Manollaras also recorded his suggestion at the conference that the best bet in relation to settling the cases was to assess what we felt the claims were worth if they were successful, add 10 per cent and then serve an offer of compromise. .22/10/2014 (96) 10040 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 On 10 December 2010 there was a telephone conversation between Mr Manollaras and Ms Young from the department. There was a difference in opinion, in that Ms Young felt that the plaintiffs probably were sexually abused, and Mr Manollaras still doubted it. On 14 December 2010 Mr Manollaras sent an email to Mr Arblaster. He noted that in terms of independent witnesses called at Mr Gibson's trials, all that he could come up with was the plaintiffs themselves and a couple of DoCS officers. Mr Manollaras said that he was "looking for someone outside the circle of the plaintiffs themselves to corroborate even one aspect of the plaintiffs' allegations". On 22 December 2010 Mr Manollaras reported to Ms Young about the listing of the matters in court the previous day. In that email, Mr Manollaras recorded the possibility of the hearing for the limitation motion taking in excess of six weeks and that: I am still doubtful as to whether the plaintiffs were sexually molested, at least not in the manner in which they allege in the statement of claim. In fact, I am having some difficulty in understanding how a jury convicted Gibson. Mr Manollaras, on 3 March counsel commenting on a report Skinner in relation to [AIH]. observations about that report that the reason that [AIH] may abuse by Mr Gibson was that it 2011, sent an email to of psychiatrist Dr Yvonne The email contains detailed and contains a suggestion not wish to talk about the did not happen. It will be remembered that [AIH] was one of the witnesses who had given evidence in the trial of Mr Gibson at which he was found guilty. On 12 May 2011 Mr Manollaras wrote to Mr Cashion SC, who had been retained to appear on the limitation motion. Reference was made to a conversation between Mr Saidi and Mr Catsanos about the question of settlement. Mr Manollaras' understanding was that the plaintiffs had indicated that they wanted an acknowledgment and a modest amount of money. He expressed the view was taken that an apology should not be made because: .22/10/2014 (96) 10041 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Firstly, I don't ever recall the State apologising for anything; secondly, as to the sexual assaults, I have a very strong doubt that anything occurred at all in most cases. An investigator, Mr Maxwell, provided his affidavit on 17 May 2011 setting out a number of witnesses who he was unable to locate. He did not disclose in that affidavit the witnesses that he was able to locate. This is the course that he had been asked to adopt by the Crown Solicitor's Office. The proceedings were listed for directions before the court on 9 June 2011. Orders were made for the State to complete service of its evidence on the limitation question and the matter was stood over for further directions on 5 August 2011. There was some discussion that the limitation motion might proceed in only one of the cases, and there was also some discussion between the parties about a mediation. The Crown Solicitor's Office, in a report to the department, noted that "the plaintiffs would like to mediate. They have made noises that they might settle for an apology, some cash, and costs". The Crown Solicitor's Office, through Mr Manollaras, advised that it was not in a position to recommend an apology and that: There is, in my view, a big question mark whether anything really happened, despite the plaintiffs' allegations, meriting an apology. On 26 July 2011 Mr Manollaras sent an email to Mr Arblaster and Mr Woods, another barrister retained by the Crown Solicitor's Office. In that email, Mr Manollaras made reference to the observations of Detective Constable Freer about Ms Kathleen Biles referred to earlier to the effect that she was a credible witness. Mr Manollaras recorded his concern about Detective Constable Freer's observations about Ms Kathleen Biles and said that "I don't think Detective .22/10/2014 (96) 10042 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Constable Freer is being objective". On 3 August 2011 the Women's Legal Services wrote to the Crown Solicitor's Office in relation to a proposal to have the limitation issue dealt with by reference to Ms Kathleen Biles and Ms Leonie Knight. In that letter, the Women's Legal Services also noted that their clients sought a mediation and asked the State to consider paying for the cost of the mediation, that an Aboriginal community representative be present, and that the plaintiffs wanted an acknowledgment of the experiences that they had to endure while residing at Bethcar. On 4 August 2011, the following day, Mr Manollaras sent an email to Mr Arblaster and Mr Woods noting that the Crown Solicitor's Office would not agree to a mediation before the limitation issue was resolved in respect of all 15 plaintiffs and recording his suspicion that the department would not accept it, either, and that the department would instruct the Crown Solicitor's Office to oppose any attempt for the court to impose a mediation order. Mr Woods, in reply, noted that the fact that the limitation defence had not been determined was not a reason not to have a mediation. On 4 August 2011, the same day, the Crown Solicitor's Office sought instructions about whether to agree to a test case being run on the limitation question and in that email seeking instructions said that, subject to the department's instructions, the department should oppose any attempt for a court-imposed mediation order. It appears that Mr Manollaras was concerned that, at the mediation, the plaintiffs would want an acknowledgment from the department about the experiences they had to endure at Bethcar and that they would want the State to pay for the mediation and the presence of an Aboriginal community representative. The view was recorded by Mr Manollaras that, "I have yet to see any evidence that what the plaintiffs allege happened." On 4 August 2011, over three years after the proceedings had been commenced, the Crown Solicitor's .22/10/2014 (96) 10043 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Office responded to the Women's Legal Services on the question of mediation and said that the State did not oppose mediating the dispute "at an appropriate time. That time has not yet arrived. The defendant has previously indicated - and the court has acknowledged - that it would be premature to mediate prior to the hearing of the limitation applications or at least one application". On 5 August 2011 the court made orders that the limitation question should be determined in relation to Ms Kathleen Biles, and that issue was fixed for hearing on 20 February 2012 for three days On 1 February 2012, Mr Cashion SC and Mr Arblaster gave a written opinion stating that the prospects of success of an application seeking a stay or dismissal or striking out of all 15 claims were sufficiently high to have reasonable prospects of success and good prospects before the Court of Appeal. They recommended filing an application returnable at the hearing of the limitation question on 20 February 2012. The Women's Legal Services wrote on 6 February 2012 foreshadowing an objection to the motion being heard, because further investigation and preparation would be necessary to be in a position to meet it. On 14 February 2012 the District Court vacated the hearing date of Ms Kathleen Biles' limitation motion on the basis that the plaintiffs were not in a position to respond to the State's motion. An order was made that the State pay the plaintiffs' costs. On 11 May 2012 the Women's Legal Services made an offer of compromise for [AII] on the basis that there be a verdict for the defendant with each party to bear their own costs. Advice was sought by the Crown Solicitor's Office from counsel about that matter, and on 16 May 2012 Mr Woods recommended that the offer be accepted. The Crown Solicitor's Office sought further advice from counsel about whether to accept [AII]'s offer to walk away from the proceedings. Mr Cashion SC and Mr Arblaster gave an advice dated 25 May 2012 recommending that the State accept [AII]'s offer of compromise and expressing the view that mediation is not suitable until the limitation and stay applications, at least for Kathleen Biles, have .22/10/2014 (96) 10044 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 been determined. They recommended that a "proactive settlement strategy should nonetheless be pursued, involving targeted settlement offers to individual plaintiffs". On 28 May 2012 a memorandum was prepared by Mr Derek Smith, Acting Director, Legal Services with the department. In that memorandum, Mr Smith noted that the Crown Solicitor's Office estimate of costs, including estimated damages, was currently $4.4 million. Mr Smith also stated that Legal Services was of the view that further consideration on the question of offers to other plaintiffs should be explored with the Crown Solicitor's Office. The department provided instructions on 5 the Crown Solicitor's Office to accept [AII]'s compromise and noted that the department would instructions regarding the other plaintiffs on consideration of the matter. June 2012 to offer of revert with further On 13 August 2012 Ms Allison resumed the role of supervising Mr Manollaras. On 16 August 2012 the Crown Solicitor's Office wrote to the department noting, amongst other things, that the State's professional costs and disbursements at that time totalled approximately $706,000. On 22 August 2012 Ms Glynis Ingram of the department wrote a memorandum stating that instructions should be given to the CSO to enable it to make appropriate offers, but only after the Crown Solicitor's Office had provided further advice as to quantum and liability. On 2 October 2012 Ms Kathleen Biles made an offer of compromise for judgment in the sum of $170,000 plus costs. On 25 October 2012 the Crown Solicitor's Office provided an advice to the department in relation to Ms Biles' offer and said that the Crown Solicitor's Office would not recommend accepting it. On 5 November 2012 the Crown Solicitor's Office wrote to the department recommending that an offer be made to Ms Biles providing for a verdict for the defendant with each party to pay their own costs. Those instructions were provided, and that offer was made. By this time, it appears that Benish Haider had assumed day-to-day charge of .22/10/2014 (96) 10045 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 the matter under the supervision of Ms Allison. The notices of motion came on for hearing in the District Court on 12 November 2012 and proceeded until 15 November 2012, on which occasion they were stood over part heard. It was the Crown Solicitor's Office's view that during the course of the hearing it emerged that the judge was likely to find in favour of the plaintiff on the limitation issue. Instructions were sought to withdraw the limitation defence. A particular difficulty arose during the hearing because the plaintiffs called for the production by Mr Maxwell, the investigator, of documents which comprised his investigations disclosing what evidence he had been able to locate. In his affidavits, he had only referred to the evidence which had been lost. The State claimed privilege over the documents and refused to produce them. After the motions were stood over part heard, the plaintiffs issued a subpoena for production seeking from Mr Maxwell the evidence that he had been able to obtain. The State filed a motion seeking to set aside that subpoena. On 10 December 2012 instructions were provided by the department to withdraw the limitation defence, and that occurred. On 13 December 2012 Judge Curtis dismissed the State's motion seeking to set aside the subpoena and ordered the State to pay the plaintiffs' costs of that motion. On 13 December 2012 the department and the Crown Solicitor's Office spoke again. The Crown Solicitor's Office advised that Judge Curtis had delivered judgment dismissing the State's motion. The Crown Solicitor's Office by this time was working on a quantum and liability advice, called a Q&L, and said that the Crown Solicitor's Office had asked counsel why a Q&L had not been done. Counsel said that it was because Mr Manollaras had a particular view that the limitation question should be pursued prior to a Q&L. On the advice of the Crown Solicitor's Office, instructions were given by the department to launch an application for leave to appeal to the Court of Appeal of .22/10/2014 (96) 10046 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 New South Wales against the decision of Judge Curtis. A notice of intention to appeal was filed on 20 December 2012. At about this time, a memorandum was prepared by the department seeking that a decision be made to instruct the Crown Solicitor's Office to invite the plaintiffs to attend a mediation. On 15 April 2013 the Crown Solicitor's Office provided a detailed advice as to quantum and liability. In that advice, the Crown Solicitor's Office advised that the State had a reasonable chance of defending the claims. The Crown Solicitor's Office noted that the damages estimate was currently $3 million and the estimate of the plaintiffs' costs was $650,000. Costs and disbursements to date for the State were said to be $930,000. The Crown Solicitor's Office recommended that an offer of compromise be made on the basis of a judgment for the defendant with each party to pay their own costs. The department prepared a briefing note on 13 June 2013 in which it was recommended that advice be sought as to alternative methods to resolve the matter than those raised by the Crown Solicitor's Office and recorded the department's view that the conclusions of the Crown Solicitor's Office "do not adequately consider the risks of proceeding to a hearing of the substantive matter". On 13 June 2013 Ms Allison sent an email to the department noting that she had had a conference with senior and junior counsel about resolution of the matter that morning and that senior counsel's view was that "mediation would be extremely expensive, difficult and likely to fail and that a more cost-effective approach would be for him to speak with Mr Catsanos and invite an offer". On 9 July 2013 the department instructed the Crown Solicitor's Office to prepare an advice on settlement and quantum and that it wanted a telephone conference arranged to discuss the matter. That conference occurred on 15 July 2013, on which occasion the department instructed the Crown Solicitor's Office to explore mediation and resolve the matter as expeditiously and cheaply as possible, given the Court of Appeal hearing in November 2013. .22/10/2014 (96) 10047 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 On 13 August 2013 the Crown Solicitor's Office prepared an advice. In that advice, the Crown Solicitor's Office conducted an assessment of damages for each plaintiff. The assessment for each plaintiff varied, but the total damages, excluding costs, allowed for by the Crown Solicitor's Office was $1,349,000, at the high end of the range. A mediation was scheduled to occur. On 6 December 2013 the department gave instructions that it would bear the costs of the mediation. The mediation occurred on 17 December 2013. Ms Mary Walker, a very experienced mediator, was appointed. At the mediation an apology was delivered on behalf of the department. At the mediation all proceedings were resolved on the basis of a verdict for each of the active plaintiffs in the sum of $107,142.85; the State to pay the plaintiffs' costs in the Kathleen Biles proceedings in the sum of $892,000; and the State to pay the plaintiffs' costs in the [AIL] proceedings in the sum of $352,000. It is anticipated that Ms Allison from the Crown Solicitor's Office will give evidence about the conduct of the civil litigation by the Crown Solicitor's Office, including that by not properly pleading their claims, the Crown Solicitor's Office could not properly assess the merits of the plaintiffs' claims; the plaintiffs' pleadings did not indicate any basis for any extension to the limitation period; at the early stages of the proceedings, it was considered premature to mediate; and she found no evidence of the model litigant obligations not being met by the State and that, in her opinion, the model litigant policy was complied with. As noted earlier, each of the victims giving evidence in this public hearing applied for victims compensation in relation to the sexual abuse they suffered while at Bethcar. They sought this compensation before they commenced the civil proceedings against the State. Each victim was awarded an amount of compensation ranging from $8,000 to the statutory maximum at the time of $50,000. The victims compensation legislation at the time required that any sum of victims compensation be repaid out of any compensation awarded by a court with respect to the same crime. However, in this case, the plaintiffs were .22/10/2014 (96) 10048 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 notified in September this year that the director of victims services had waived that repayment obligation, so that each victim has been entitled to keep their victims compensation award, as well as the amount paid in the District Court proceedings. It is anticipated that 14 witnesses will be called to give evidence: Kathleen Biles; Jodie Moore; Amelia Moore; [AIQ]; [AIH]; Leonie Knight; Janet Loughman; Michael Coutts-Trotter from the Department of Family and Community Services; Ms Helen Allison; Mr Ian Knight, the New South Wales Crown Solicitor; Mr Michael Cashion SC; Mr Patrick Saidi, barrister; Mr Peter Yeomans of the NSW Police Force; and Mr Andrew Cappie-Wood of the Department of Justice. If it is convenient, your Honour and Commissioner, I might tender the tender bundle and the witness statements at this point. THE CHAIR: MR LLOYD: Yes. Does that conclude your opening? It does. THE CHAIR: We might take a very short adjournment so that the television camera can be quietly removed and then we'll resume. SHORT ADJOURNMENT THE CHAIR: MR LLOYD: THE CHAIR: Yes, Mr Lloyd. I tender the two-volume tender bundle. Very well, we will make that exhibit 19-1. EXHIBIT #19-1 TWO-VOLUME TENDER BUNDLE MR LLOYD: At this stage, I might defer tendering the witness bundle and perhaps deal with that, subject to your Honour's convenience -THE CHAIR: You will need to tender each of those statements through the witness, unless the person is not giving evidence. We would want them to affirm or swear to the truth of what they are saying. MR LLOYD: .22/10/2014 (96) Yes. There is an administrative difficulty, in 10049 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 that some of the documents which are annexed to some of the statements may be necessary for the purpose of cross-examining witnesses who are earlier, but if we can deal with that perhaps after. THE CHAIR: We can deal with that in due course. MR LLOYD: Yes. As I understand it, Mr Menzies and Ms England wish to make a short opening statement. THE CHAIR: Yes, very well. ladies first? MS ENGLAND: Who is first? Ms England, Thank you, your Honour. The department acknowledges at the outset the bravery of the witnesses who will give evidence at the hearing. We will listen with great care and with sympathy and with respect. We commend the courage shown by those who will tell their stories as part of this hearing and their commitment to ensuring that past failings are neither forgotten nor repeated. We acknowledge also at the outset of this hearing that there were children who suffered sexual assault and physical abuse at Bethcar. This is a terrible thing which should never have happened. The department is deeply sorry that children suffered that way and acknowledges the impact of those experiences on their lives. Since the conclusion of the Bethcar litigation, the department has taken a number of steps to minimise the retraumatising effect of civil litigation on those who bring such claims in future. The department wants to learn from the past and to ensure that children and young people in need of care and protection receive it. THE CHAIR: Thank you. Mr Menzies? MR MENZIES: If the Commission pleases, the State of New South Wales welcomes the Royal Commission's examination of the appropriateness of civil litigation for victims of child sexual abuse. New South Wales has always, and continues to fully supported Royal Commission and welcomes the opportunity to contribute to the Commission's examination of this important issue. .22/10/2014 (96) 10050 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 New South Wales acknowledges the potential for litigation to be a traumatic experience for claimants who have suffered sexual abuse as children. We expect this hearing to show that the civil litigation system is not always an effective way of dealing sensitively or compassionately with survivors of sexual abuse. The State regrets that the litigation process for the plaintiffs in the Bethcar proceedings may have exacerbated the pain associated with their experience as children and the abuse that they suffered at Bethcar Children's Home. The Royal Commission has reinforced the need for the State to re-examine how it approaches claims relating to child sexual abuse. We know that the State can do better when dealing with civil claims to recognise the particular vulnerability of child sexual assault victims and will take into account what we hear during this hearing in re-examining how we can better support victims of child sexual abuse. THE CHAIR: Yes, thank you. MR LLOYD: Your Honour, I call Kathleen Biles. She will come into the witness box with her support person, Catherine Streeting. <KATHLEEN MONICA BILES, affirmed: [11.55am] <EXAMINATION BY MR LLOYD: THE CHAIR: You will need to make sure you're speaking into the microphone, Ms Biles, so that everyone who wants to listen can hear what you have to say. Yes, Mr Lloyd. MR LLOYD: Q. What is your name? A. Kathleen Biles. Q. A. You made a statement in October 2014? I did. Q. A. What you say in that statement is true, is it? Yes. MR LLOYD: .22/10/2014 (96) That statement is to be found in tab 1 of the 10051 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 witness statements bundle. THE CHAIR: MR LLOYD: THE CHAIR: Yes, and you seek to tender it? I do, your Honour. We'll make it exhibit 19-2. EXHIBIT #19-2 STATEMENT OF KATHLEEN MONICA BILES DATED OCTOBER 2014 MR LLOYD: Q. aren't you? A. Yes. Ms Biles, you're very nervous today, Q. You want your support person, Catherine Streeting, to read most of that statement? A. Yes. Q. But you wish to read the bits from paragraph 69 onwards, towards the end; that's correct? A. Yes. Q. Before that happens, may I just ask you about paragraph 68? A. Yes. Q. In that paragraph, you make reference to having to sign a confidentiality agreement that says you are not allowed to talk about the settlement money that you received. A. Yes, that's right. Q. What you're talking about in that paragraph is the confidentiality agreement that you were asked to sign at the start of the mediation? A. Yes. Q. You're not there talking about any confidentiality agreement that the State asked you to sign, are you? A. No. Q. Thank you. I will now invite -- THE CHAIR: Mr Lloyd, I'm afraid that neither the Commissioner nor I have found the statement. .22/10/2014 (96) 10052 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 MR LLOYD: It might be that what your Honour and Commissioner are looking at behind tab 1 is the redacted version, which refers to [AIJ]. THE CHAIR: That's what we've found. So what is the position? Ms Biles' name is to be published? MR LLOYD: THE CHAIR: that right? MR LLOYD: THE CHAIR: MR LLOYD: statement. THE CHAIR: Published, yes. But the statement is otherwise redacted; is Yes. Very well. We understand. Thank you. Now, could I invite Ms Streeting to read the Yes, thank you. MS STREETING: "This statement made by me accurately sets out the evidence that I am prepared to give to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. The statement is true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief. My full name is Kathleen Monica Biles. I was born on 20 August but I am not sure if I was born in 1971 or 1972 because there are different dates on my birth certificate and the Department of Community Services files, but my birth certificate says 1971. I was born in Brewarrina District Hospital. I have four siblings. I have two half-brothers, [REDACTED] and [REDACTED], both of whom are older than me. My sister, [AIL], and my brother, Douglas Bruce Biles, are my full siblings. I have been told that [AIL] is one year older than me and that Douglas is two years younger than me. Douglas passed away in a motorcycle accident in May 2014. I miss him every day. I think I was about two years old when me, [AIL] and Douglas were made wards of the State because DoCS and the Children's Court believed that our parents could not care for us. At that time we were living in Brewarrina, having just moved from Wee Waa. .22/10/2014 (96) 10053 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 I have read in my DoCS file that for a short while after we were made wards of the State we were placed in Bidura Children's Home, but I have no memory of this. I am aware from records that my mother tried to get us back by appealing the Children's Court decision, but later my father made the decision that [AIL], Douglas and I be placed at Bethcar Children's Home with Bert and Edith Gordon. I have since found out that my dad spoke with Bert Gordon about us living there. It is obvious to me that dad trusted the Gordons. I think DoCS supported us being placed at Bethcar as they felt that it would be better for us to live in the same community as our parents. I understand that on 10 December 1974 orders were made dismissing my mother's appeal and committing [AIL], Douglas and I to the care of Bert and Edith Gordon at Bethcar for a period of five years. I lived at Bethcar until I was about 15 years of age. I used to call Bert and Edith "mum" and "dad". I saw them as my foster parents. I remember the first day I was at Bethcar. I had lost my little red shoe and I was sad because my mum had bought them for me and I loved that shoe. Me and my sister pulled out some of the garden because we didn't want to be there. Edith flogged me with a belt. To the best of my knowledge and understanding, Bethcar was a government-funded home for children who could not be cared for by their parents. It was located about nine miles along a dirt track, on the Walgett side of Brewarrina. It comprised, at the time that I went out there, a main living house. Living in that house was Bert Gordon, Edith Gordon, their foster daughter [AIT], who I think was a blood relative of Edith, and her husband, Colin Gibson. Colin and [AIT] lived with us for some time until they moved into an old schoolhouse. That old schoolhouse burnt down. A new main house was built for us, which replaced the old main house. Colin and [AIT] then had a new house built next to that. At some time before I was 12 years old, an alcohol and drug rehab home was built about one mile up the road from Bethcar. When I was about 12 years old, Bert and Edith took all of us and moved Bethcar from Brewarrina to Orange, New South Wales. .22/10/2014 (96) 10054 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 I was sexually abused in that home by Bert Gordon. The abuse started from when I was about five and kept happening until I left at age 15. I remember that when I was about five or six years old, we all moved into a new house that was built. My first memory in that house was the night that me, [AIL] and another girl were playing doctors and nurses. They used me as the patient because I had a headache. My headache got worse, so I went into the lounge room where Bert and Edith were. Edith was sitting at one end, crocheting, and Bert was at the other. He sat with his legs up on the couch closest to Edith. I went into the lounge room and said that my head hurt. Before Edith could say anything, Bert held up the blanket he was under and said words to the effect, 'Come and lay down with daddy, daddy will make it better.' I then got under the blanket with him. Bert started rubbing my vagina, at first on top of my pyjamas, then he put his hand inside my underwear. He kept rubbing me. It started to hurt, so I jumped up from the couch. I stood in front of Edith, who seemed completely indifferent, and I started crying loudly. The following conversation then took place. Edith: 'Oh, what's wrong with you, you naughty little girl.' Bert was holding the blanket up, 'Come on and lay down with daddy, go on. Go away, big bitey, you come and lay down with daddy. Go away big bitey, don't you hurt my girl.' I threw myself on the floor. Edith: 'Get up you naughty little girl and lay down with your father.' Me: 'No, because daddy is being rude.' When I said this to her, Edith flew into a rage. She got up off the lounge and began beating me with a belt, wherever she could hit me. She said words to the effect, 'Don't you lie about your father.' After she flogged me, I was made to go to bed. Later on, I learned from experience that Edith would respond like this every time we told her that something like that had happened. After this first incident of abuse, I didn't feel like I could trust either Bert or Edith. I didn't feel like I could tell Edith what was happening to me or the other children. After Edith called me 'naughty' for being the victim of a sexual assault, I am still dealing with .22/10/2014 (96) 10055 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 feelings of shame around what happened to me. I remember another time in the house when I was little. Bert and Edith's bedroom had an ensuite, with a door coming off the bathroom into the hall. Bert had me standing on the toilet. He pulled my underwear down around my ankles. He was playing with me and fingering me. He lifted me on to the toilet because I was too small for him to reach down to. Edith knocked on the bedroom door, and Bert told me to walk out of the bathroom through the door that connected with the hallway. I went outside and sat around the corner where no-one could see me crying, because I was worried that I would receive another beating for 'telling lies'. This reinforced the idea that I had no place of privacy or safety in that house. I remember having a bath with my sister [AIL]. I remember Bert coming into the bathroom and urinating in front of us, then standing there for some time watching us in the bath. One morning, some time after this, because I was a bit older, I was making Bert and Edith's bed. Bert came into the bedroom and closed and locked the door. He walked over to me and started to kiss me. He put his tongue in my mouth. While he did this, he put my hand on his penis and made me hold and fondle it. He was rubbing my vagina. He pushed me down on the side of the bed and rubbed his penis over my face, then told me to put it in my mouth. I don't know what happened after that. I don't even remember the rest of the day. One night, probably when I was about nine years old, [AIT] told me to go over to her house and get a nappy for one of her children. When I got to the house, I turned the light on and ran to the end room. I got the nappy and ran back through the house. I was feeling vulnerable in that house. I had just turned the light off when I felt a man grab me. He started to kiss me, then he grabbed me on the vagina. I pushed him away with all my might. Because the light was turned off, I couldn't see who it was. I remember another time, the last time before we left Brewarrina, Bert took some of the girls down to the river for a swim. Some of the girls were standing on Bert's hands and he was throwing them over his shoulders. He asked if I wanted a go and I refused, but he made me .22/10/2014 (96) 10056 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 anyway. I had to stand in front of him and hold his shoulders with both hands, then put my foot into his hands, so he could flick me. I did this a number of times. The last time, he grabbed me on the vagina. I got out of the water and walked home. This experience made me feel violated and very distressed, because I felt like nowhere was safe, even if there were other people present. It felt like, as time went by, that Bert just got bolder. It's like he knew that even if we said anything, we would not be believed, anyway, or that we would get flogged for lying. On a daily basis, we had Bible reading each morning before we went to school for half an hour. During these sessions we were taunted by Bert. He told us we were sinners and that we were going to hell. He said that we were good for nothing and that our parents didn't want us because we were liars. Bert made out like the world was a frightening place and that he and Edith were our saviours. Bert always said that we belonged in the gutter and that our parents were evil alcoholics. He threatened to send us back to our parents if we lied or if we didn't do what we were told. I was terrified of my biological parents because of what he said. Bert used to tell me that if I didn't do what he wanted, I would get flogged. I think he just knew that I wouldn't go to the police. He always used to say words to the effect of, 'Youse can go back to your parents. We can leave youse in the gutter where you belong.' He used to make up these things about each of our parents so that we would think they were evil. When I first saw my parents at school, when I was in third class, they were calling out to me from the fence, but I was terrified of them because of what Bert had said. I remember that when I was in my first year of high school (about 12 years old) we were going to move to Orange. Some adults came to the high school in Brewarrina to talk to us. I don't know where they were from or who they were, but I think that they were from some government agency. They asked me if I wanted to move to Orange with the rest of the Bethcar family, and I said yes. Bert and Edith told me to say yes about going to Orange and they told us to say 'because I love my parents'. We moved to Orange shortly after this. us moved down there, but Colin didn't come. .22/10/2014 (96) 10057 A fair few of When we moved K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 there, Bert and Edith used to go back to Brewarrina for the holidays. I remember one incident when I was about 13 years old. I remember that it wasn't long after we moved to Orange and that it was our first holiday back to Brewarrina. My sister, [AIL], got her period for the first time. I told Edith that [AIL] needed pads and she told us to tell Bert. Colin and Bert went up the street to get a packet of Meds. When they came back, me and [AIL] were sitting in the gutter because she didn't want to be handed them in front of everyone. They drove up beside us and Bert threw them at [AIL] and they hit her in the crotch. He said words to the effect of, 'Go stick them in your fork.' Our Auntie [REDACTED], our father's sister, was living next door to the home we were visiting when we were on holiday in Brewarrina. [AIL] ran away and told our father what had been happening. My father and his brother were next door visiting and [AIL] told them what had been happening. My father and uncle went over and wanted to fight Colin and Bert, but they wouldn't come out of the house. Edith smacked [AIL] across the face and said words to the effect, 'How could you lie about your father like that?' [AIL] left the house then and I kept begging her not to go. We went back to Orange with Bert and Edith, but [AIL] didn't come with us. I waited for my father to come and take Douglas and myself, but he never did. I remember thinking: 'He now knows the types of goings on that occurred in that household, so why doesn't he come and get us? It's so true that he doesn't want us and he doesn't love or care about us.' I felt isolated and unloved. This reinforced what Bert and Edith had told us. I thought that I wasn't good for anything. I also felt betrayed by [AIL]. [AIL] eventually came back to live with us, but I don't remember how long she was away. I remember another incident when we were in Orange; I was about 13 years old. I remember that this was after [AIL] moved back in with us. Bert told Edith he was taking [AIL] and myself to Brewarrina to see our biological mother. Bert said that she had been bashed again by her de facto husband. We were apparently going with Bert to help persuade her to come with us. [AIL] and I knew that she wouldn't come with us, because she was an alcoholic and .22/10/2014 (96) 10058 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 alcohol wasn't allowed in our house. We drove to Brewarrina in Bert's silver Jackaroo. When we got on the Brewarrina side of Nyngan, Bert told me to climb over and sit on his lap. His excuse was that he wanted to teach me how to drive. I was sitting in the front passenger seat and [AIL] was in the back seat behind the driver. I didn't want to sit on Bert's lap but he insisted. Bert told me to grab the steering wheel and he put his hands on top of mine. After a while he took one hand off the steering wheel and started to fondle me. He pried one of my hands off the steering wheel and put it on his penis. Then he pulled my underwear to one side and rubbed his penis against my vagina. Bert then put his penis inside my vagina. I don't recall how long this went on for, but it seemed like forever. After he had raped me, Bert told [AIL] to climb over on to the front passenger seat and he instructed me to get in the back behind the driver's seat so I couldn't see what he was doing to her. Bert then told [AIL] to sit on his lap. I sat in the back crying silent tears. When we arrived in Brewarrina, Bert took us to see our mother. I remember her face being bruised and cut. He didn't offer to help her but began to tell her words to the effect of, 'Look at you, you dirty low thing.' He didn't offer any assistance to her. After we saw my mother, we pulled up outside Colin and [AIT]'s house. I don't remember how long we were in Brewarrina for or even the trip back to Orange. I was too distraught. One Saturday morning when I was about 13 years old, Edith asked me to bring a cup of tea and two scones to Bert in bed. I asked Edith if someone else could do it. She said words to the effect of, 'No, I told you to do it, so take them up to your father now.' I knocked on the bedroom door and walked in. Bert tapped his bedside table, instructing me to put the tea and scones there. I then walked over to place them there, staying as far out of arms reach as I could. I quickly placed them on the table, then ran back to the door. Before I could close it, we had the following exchange: Bert: 'Oi you.' Me: 'What the fuck do you want?' Bert: 'What you gonna give me for $20?' Me: 'I hate you, you make me sick.' I walked away. The next morning at around 6am, Bert came into the bedroom where we were sleeping to wake the girls up. I was asleep on my back with one arm alongside me and the other .22/10/2014 (96) 10059 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 arm under my head. I felt pressure on my arm beside me. I woke up to see Bert standing with his knee against my arm. He then pushed down on my head so I couldn't move my other arm and he put his other hand on my mouth. He licked my face and then started to kiss me and touch me. After he finished, he put $20 under my pillow, smiled at me and walked back to the door. He then yelled, 'Get up girls, get up.' On another Saturday morning I was standing in the laundry doing the washing when Bert appeared at the top of the stairs leading from the kitchen down to the laundry. I'm sure it was a Saturday because that was the day I had to do the washing. He said words to the effect of, 'Oi you, what else are you going to give me for $20?' One of the boys walked up and stood behind Bert. I said to Bert, 'What?', and he repeated it. I then said words to the effect, 'Gidday, [REDACTED], what are you doing?' Bert turned around and didn't know what to do or say. I thought that I would have a witness because finally someone had heard Bert, but I believe that [REDACTED] came to an arrangement with Bert for [REDACTED] to keep his mouth shut. [REDACTED] had a Holden Monaro and needed some repairs, and I believe that Bert paid for the repairs. Sometimes [REDACTED] would say to me words to the effect of, 'You want to take him to court?', but he would never give a statement. I was really disappointed with [REDACTED]. Another time, when I was around 14 years old, I remember Edith telling me to go through my clothes and to give what was too small for me to the younger girls. I gave some clothes to the younger girls, but later I had an argument with them and took my clothes back. They told Edith, and she backhanded me across the face. I ran to the boys' bathroom and locked the door behind me. About 10 minutes later there was loud knocking at the bathroom door. Me: 'Who is it?' Bert: 'Open the door.' Me: 'No.' Bert: 'If you don't open the door, when you come out you're going to get a flogging.' I sat there for a while longer, then he banged on the door again. I got as close to the door as I could, so that when I opened it I could run past him. When I opened the door, Bert grabbed me, then he pushed me back into the bathroom and locked the door behind him. I remember being .22/10/2014 (96) 10060 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 scared and frightened about what he was going to do. Bert came towards me and started to kiss me on the mouth, sticking his tongue in. He also groped me on the vagina and breasts, rubbing both breasts. Bert then pushed me down on to the toilet, unzipped his trousers and pulled out his penis. He held his penis with one hand and placed his other hand on top of my head, forcing my head towards his penis. His penis was rubbing against my face and he tried to put his penis in my mouth. By this stage I had had enough. I pushed him hard and he fell into the bathtub. Then I ran out of the bathroom and went into my bedroom. Bert stayed away from me for the rest of the day. On another occasion, when I was around 14 years old, Bert came to my high school in Orange to pick me up. This was very unusual as we normally caught the bus home. I was waiting for the bus when Bert drove up to the school and sent my foster brother out to get me to come in the car. We had the following conversation. Foster brother: 'Come in the car.' Me: 'What for?' Foster brother: 'Dad said you had to come now and do the grocery shopping with us.' Me: 'No, I'm going on the bus. Can't someone else do it?' My foster brother then ran back over to the road where Bert was waiting in the car. My foster brother then came back and said words to the effect of, 'Dad said you have to, or look out when you get home.' I went with my foster brother and sat in front of Bert's old HT Holden. I had my uniform on. I could feel Bert looking at me all the time. Bert drove to the corner store, not far from home, and parked around the corner from the shop. He gave my foster brother money and said words to the effect of, 'Go and get yourself something.' My foster brother got out of the car. Bert started to rub my legs. I moved as close to the door as I could, but he could still reach me. While he rubbed my legs, he said, 'I'm going to drop your brother off at home and you have to come and do the shopping with me.' Me: 'No, no, I'm not.' Bert: 'You'll see.' When my foster brother returned, Bert drove the car home and parked out the front. He told my foster brother to go inside. When my foster brother got out of the car, I did too. Bert came inside and tried to make me go with him. Edith told me to go with Bert, but I said words to the effect of, 'I don't want to.' I remember thinking that I would rather get a flogging than go with him. I didn't go with him. .22/10/2014 (96) 10061 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 When I was about 15 years old, I left school to stay home and be a full-time carer for twins at Bethcar, who both had kidney failure and were on dialysis. I had been caring for the twins since I was about 13 years old. At first, [AII] was their in-home nurse, but she got married and left Bethcar when I was about 13 years old. After [AII] left, I was forced by Bert and Edith to take over the responsibility of caring for the twins. This included changing their dialysis bags three to four times a day, administering medication, filling out their medical charts and taking them to hospital, and all of their fortnightly doctors' appointments. I still had to go to school and caring for the twins and going to school as a 13-year-old was just too much. In the end it proved too much for me, so I left school when I was about 15 years old to become the twins' full-time carer. Not long after I left school, I was granted a carer's allowance, after which Bert proceeded to charge me rent. One Sunday Bert said words to the effect of, 'Come on, I'll take you down so you can check your account.' I said words to the effect, 'No, I'll check it tomorrow.' Bert insisted that we go, because he wanted his rent money from me. Centrelink or something similar would pay about $700 into my account, and Bert would take $500 off me. I went to the bank and got the rent money and some money for myself. We went to the markets for a look, then got in the car. Bert drove on to a road that I think was called Opha Road and pulled the car off the road. I remember that the car was an old HT Holden and it was candy apple red in colour. He pulled his trousers down just above his knees and told me to perform oral sex on him. I said no and Bert said words to the effect of, 'We're not going anywhere until you do.' I just sat there staring out the window, refusing to look at him. He then said words to the effect, 'If you don't, I'll give you a flogging.' I did as I was told, to avoid getting hit. Something else I remember from when we were in Orange was that I used to have severe cramps and heavy bleeding from my period. I do not remember if Edith took me to the doctor, but I do remember her giving me six little blue oval-shaped pills. I don't know what they were, but soon after, I was put on contraceptive pills. Ever since, .22/10/2014 (96) 10062 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 I have had problems with my period. I still suffer from severe cramps and heavy bleeding. I believe this is because of the years of sexual abuse. It is so bad that last year my doctor recommended that I have a hysterectomy. One day when I was about 13 or 14 years old, Bert said to me words to the effect of, 'You will never be good for anything. You are evil and you are going to hell.' I was sitting out the front crying and [AII], my foster sister, came over to comfort me. I told her words to the effect of, 'I've had enough. I want to leave the home.' She took me to the Social Security office in Orange and we spoke to a lady called Marilyn. We asked for some help with money or a bond so I could get an apartment. Marilyn said that she knew that there were things going on at that house that shouldn't be going on. I looked over at [AII] and she said words to the effect of, 'Tell her if you want to.' I told her all about Bert and what he had been doing to my sister and me. Marilyn said that she needed one of the others to come forward as well. The others were too scared, so nothing was ever done about it. I didn't end up leaving the house at that time because I couldn't get any financial help. I thought Social Security handed out money to people who needed it. I was hoping that if I told someone like Marilyn, then I wouldn't have to go back to Bert and Edith and that they would let me go live somewhere else. Not long after that, most of the family went to Brewarrina for the holidays. I had to stay in Orange to look after the twins. [AIL] and [AIS], my foster sister, also stayed behind. [REDACTED] arrived at the house. She was married to [REDACTED], who is Bert's nephew. [REDACTED] is also my cousin. I told [REDACTED] that I wanted to leave the house. She said that I could stay at her house, and [AIS] came with me. The next day, [REDACTED] and her family also went away for the holidays. Later that day, Bert and some of the other children came to [REDACTED]'s house to try to make us return to the home. We were so scared that we lay on the floor under the window where they couldn't see us. They walked around the apartment and banged on the door for about 20 minutes. I don't know what Bert and Edith said to them, but when they returned from their holidays, they kicked us out. One day in around about 2000, my father's girlfriend .22/10/2014 (96) 10063 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 told me that a police officer from Nyngan had called looking to speak to me. When she mentioned Nyngan, I knew it had to do with Bethcar. A few days later, Detective Peter Freer turned up at Wee Waa. Some of the other girls in foster care reported the abuse to the police, which is why he contacted me. I went to the police station with my father's girlfriend to make a statement at the police station in Wee Waa. I gave two statements to Peter Freer one about the abuse that I suffered from Bert Gordon and one about the abuse that I witnessed against the other girls by Colin Gibson and Bert Gordon. I believe that my sister, [AIL], didn't make a statement about what Bert did to me. I also gave evidence orally in court as a witness for the other girls in the trial in Dubbo in October 2005 against Colin Gibson for child sexual abuse. I was cross-examined and asked questions about the girls. I was told that because Bert was so old and ill, no criminal charges were laid against him, and so my complaints against Bert never went to court. Bert died in 2005. After Bert died, Edith rang me. Edith: 'You're too far away to come down for the funeral.' Me: 'I'm not coming down, anyway.' Edith: 'Ring me back after the funeral. I want to talk about something. Don't worry, the Lord sees everything and he knows everything.' I didn't call Edith back. A few years later, when I was living in Bourke, I ended up in a relationship with [REDACTED]. His mother is Edith's niece. I spoke to him about the abuse, and he said, 'Mum used to say that she was sure something was going on.' I believe that Edith definitely knew what was going on, as I told her many times about Bert. I believe that a lot of people in the town knew what was going on, but they didn't do anything. At Bethcar, we had an in-ground swimming pool. At summertime at Brewarrina, the temperature could get up into the mid-40s, but each time we got into the pool to take a swim, there was always someone fondling us. When we got dressed, we took a bath or a shower, there was always someone watching us. .22/10/2014 (96) 10064 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 We had no privacy at all. We were robbed of our dignity at every point. The only time we got away from all that was when we were at school. I thought of school as an escape, not a place to learn. My education is very limited. Since leaving school, the only jobs I have had were as a housemaid or seasonal work, such as cotton chipping or zucchini picking. At Bethcar, we were pretty isolated from the outside world. We were 9 miles out of Brewarrina. We were never allowed to have friends stay over and never allowed to stay at our friends' houses. At Bethcar, we were threatened and flogged all the time. Edith used to flog us with branches from the pepper tree, with jug cords and those straps they sharpen blades on. After I left the home, I was in a few violent relationships. I have a 25-year-old son, a 23-year-old daughter, a 21-year-old son, a 19-year-old son and an 18-year-old son. The oldest three were made State wards. My self-esteem is very low. This is a continual, daily struggle. I suffer with agoraphobia, although I have not been officially diagnosed. Even the simplest of tasks can be a major challenge for me, such as shopping or paying bills. I think people view me the way I view myself and the way I feel inside. I feel very dirty. I am somewhat obsessive with regard to personal hygiene and the cleanliness of my household. When I go out in public, I feel as though people know all about me and they feel disgusted or sick at what they see. This is in spite of the fact that these people are complete strangers. I have no close friends because I find it very hard to trust anyone. I have no faith in Christianity whatsoever, because Bert, Edith and Colin were supposed to be Christians. Until recently, I was seeing a counsellor, but I find speaking to her very hard. Ever since my brother, Doug, passed away, things have been exceptionally difficult for me. .22/10/2014 (96) 10065 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 I didn't realise that I could apply for victims compensation for the sexual abuse that I suffered at Bethcar. I spoke to Lee Wellman at the Witness Assistance Scheme in Dubbo when my case didn't proceed against Bert. She put me in contact with the Bourke/Brewarrina Family Violence Prevention Legal Service, which was part of Women's Legal Services NSW. In 2006 I made a claim for victims compensation. In 2008 the Victims Compensation Tribunal made a decision on my application and I was awarded $40,000 in victims compensation for a category 3 sexual assault claim. I thought that the victims compensation process was easy - there was nothing extra that I had to do to make the claim, because they just went off the police statements that I had made, which they got from Detective Freer. The solicitors handled the claim for me on the papers. The process was a walk in the park compared to everything else. I find it difficult to understand legal action. My solicitors were very helpful in explaining to me what was happening during the litigation, but sometimes I found it all overwhelming and I could not fully understand what was going on and why. In particular, I found it difficult to understand why there were so many long delays in my matter. I did not fully understand why the defendant said that I was late with my claim. The litigation was so difficult for me. I have this feeling that I don't want to burden other people with my story of abuse. When I was being questioned in court by the other side's lawyers, it made me angry and emotional. I felt like they were looking at me like I was a liar. It felt like I was back to being a little child, being called a liar when I told Edith or anyone else about the sexual abuse that was happening to me. The only good thing about the civil litigation was my legal representation, because they supported me and I knew that they were there for me. None of my family or the other victims were at the hearing. It was my lawyers who got me through it all. I know that a big issue in the court case was a time .22/10/2014 (96) 10066 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 limitation. My barristers and solicitors talked me through everything, explaining it to me in a way that I would understand. I felt under a lot of pressure, like if I didn't pass the time limitation, it would have destroyed me. It would have reinforced years of being told that I am a liar. It would have tipped me right over the edge. The civil litigation was an ongoing battle for years. It felt like the other side wanted to keep the fight going, thinking that we were going to give up eventually and walk away. At times I did just feel like doing that. It felt like the other side wanted to drag out our hurt. It took so much energy to keep fighting. At times it felt like we weren't getting anywhere. We just wanted to end it. I was so scared in Sydney when I went to do the time limitation. It was just me and none of my other foster sisters or brother. But my barristers and solicitors made me feel so much at ease. Knowing that they were there and that they believed in me helped me through it. Me and the other victims had come across people for years and years who don't believe us about the abuse. They thought, and some probably still think, that we are liars and that we did this for money. We did not do this for the money. We did it for justice and to have a voice. The litigation didn't give me any sense of 'getting it off my chest' or closure. The litigation made me feel smaller than I was. The shame of it and having to tell strangers about what happened to me in court and then being questioned about it - it felt like they were judging me, and that was hard. I walk with a slouch, as I was ashamed for years. I have a head twitch, which is getting worse. My slouch and twitch get really bad when I'm angry or nervous, like I was in court. I think that there are some things that could have made the court case an easier process for us. I remember that when I went to court for the time limitation, the other side didn't have their stuff ready. I remember that we moved between two or three different courts and I was thinking that they had had all these years to prepare and they still weren't ready. I also found sitting in the witness box and the other side's lawyer asking me the same question several times really hard. I didn't see the point to it. .22/10/2014 (96) 10067 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 One of the things that really got to me was that they brought up my boyfriends and past violent relationships. It felt like they were trying to belittle me and I couldn't see the point of any of that questioning. I really think that if you could make some changes to the court process to make it less daunting for victims, more people would come forward. Court is really intimidating. You find it hard to tell your family and friends about the sexual abuse, let alone complete strangers. It's just too hard a process to get justice. The other issue that I had with the court case was actually when it ended. I remember thinking everything is finished now and what do we do from here? I was lost. I think it would have been good to be given some counselling for a few months (maybe 12 months) after the court case. This might have helped for us to transition after fighting for so long every day. Even though the case is finished, the memories are still there and the medication is still there. When I saw my DoCS file and saw that my mum tried to appeal and get us back, I have tried to establish a relationship with her. I never knew that. My father gave his rights to us away when he gave us away. I know that he knew about what was happening to us at Bethcar, but he still just left us there. He didn't care. I hate him so much. He is dying of cancer, but I will not shed a tear for that man. After six years of the court case, I was told by my lawyers that the State wanted to have a mediation. I don't know exactly why they changed their mind, but I think that because I won the time limitation, they got scared that they were going to lose, especially after they had tried to drag it out for years. The mediation was in December 2013. This was attended by our barrister and solicitors, most of the victims (13 girls, excluding [AII]) and Douglas, plus the lawyers for New South Wales. An apology was delivered in person at the mediation by a lady from the department. To me, the apology was cold - the way in which it was read out in her voice. It was not heartfelt or meaningful. I know that it wasn't her or the State personally who abused us, but they were responsible for us and they were representing the State, and I don't think that she did a good job. .22/10/2014 (96) 10068 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 The solicitors and barristers would then go away into a separate room to talk about offers. We, the victims, would stay in another room, and then our barrister, John, would come in and see us and tell us the offer made and we would talk about what we would accept. I think it was our lawyers from Women's who suggested that all of the plaintiffs get amount of money to settle. All of us agreed was just easier. It was a long battle and I wait for it to finish. Legal Services the same with that - it just couldn't I had to sign a confidentiality agreement that says I am not allowed to talk about the settlement money that I received. I know that I can talk about it to the Royal Commission, though. I received about $107,000. The money hasn't really helped me to deal with the sexual abuse that I suffered. Having said that, the court case was still worth it, because I felt like I got some justice. I even think about where I am now, talking with the Royal Commission about what happened to me. We were little kids with parents who didn't want us, living at Bethcar in a home with no love. Most of the kids from there are on drugs and alcohol. But we won the court case and now we are here talking about it to the Royal Commission, something that I never thought I could do, because I thought I was beneath you and uneducated." MS BILES: "My brother, Douglas, died in May this year in a tragic accident. His death affected me a lot, in ways that you could not imagine. Doug came with me and [AIL] to Bethcar. He was approximately 21 months old at the time. Doug was sexually abused at Bethcar and was a plaintiff in the civil litigation. He fought the fight with us 14 girls, the only man who stood with us. I know that Doug would have wanted to tell his story to the Royal Commission, but because he can't, I want to tell some of it for him. When me, [AIL] and Doug arrived at Bethcar, there was an older group of foster kids already there. I think that an earlier group of foster kids had arrived at Bethcar with the Gordons some years earlier. Doug told me that he was sexually abused by one of these older foster boys. I didn't know about that at the time, until my brother told me years later, in about 2001 or 2002 when I was living in .22/10/2014 (96) 10069 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Wee Waa. The abuse really affected Doug as a man and as a father. He was very ashamed of what happened to him. Doug was almost an alcoholic, and I know that he did that to drown out the pain. Doug's first partner, and the mother of his kids, couldn't put up with him because he drank too much. Their relationship ended six years ago. His excessive drinking led to the courts preventing him from having access to any of his three boys. That really affected him in life and as a father. I remember that when Doug and his former partner were trying to get pregnant, and couldn't, Doug thought it was because of how bad the sexual abuse to him had been. He used to cry about it, that he couldn't have a family. But he did have three children. When my brother had his children for the school holidays, he would watch them like a hawk. Doug always blamed himself for the sexual abuse that happened to me and [AIL]. He said that, being our brother, he should have protected us. But I told him that he was younger and a baby and that he couldn't have helped us. For him to have lived a life like that, blaming himself for what happened to us, it wasn't fair; it was terrible. It was so bad for Doug that, on one occasion, he doused himself in fuel and tried to set himself alight. He ended up in a mental hospital, but I got him released into my care because I thought it was more important for him to be with people who cared for him and who understood what had happened to him. Like all of us, Doug was physically abused by Edie and Bert. I remember one day I saw Edie ironing. She was rousing on Douglas and she threw the hot iron at him. It hit him on the back. Another time she went to hit him with a jug cord, got him across the face and it left a big imprint on his face. These are just some examples that I remember. The civil litigation was very hard for Doug. He was really worried about people knowing about the sexual abuse, because he felt embarrassed about it. He was the only boy in the litigation. I kept telling him how proud I was of him for doing this. I would tell him that I was glad that .22/10/2014 (96) 10070 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 he was here with us. None of the other boys came forward for the court case. Doug's partner knew about the abuse and the court case. I think Doug's eldest boy knew that there was something going on with the court case, but I don't think he knew what it was about. When we met up with our barristers in December, Doug read out a speech to all of us at the mediation. He was so brave. That was the last time I saw Doug. Doug was on medication - antidepressants and sleeping pills - but none of that helped him. I have been told that he was on ice before he passed away. That was after the court case finished. It was a time that we were supposed to move on with our lives, but Doug never got that chance. He had an abusive childhood and a terrible adulthood and then he was taken early from us. His only happy time was with his children, his nieces and nephews and me. His life was the result of the abuse from when he was little. The sexual abuse destroyed his life. But he was still a great father, uncle and brother. He loved his children, his nieces and nephews and his sisters. Doug was a great guy. I will also remember him for his generosity of spirit and the love he showed to all of us. If there was a man on the street who was cold, Doug would take the shirt off his own back and give it to him. His dying was such a waste of a good man's life. Doug is at peace now, but it took dying for him to get that peace. It's sad that he couldn't get that while he was still here. This is because the court process took so long and the State fought us at every turn. I struggle with the State's behaviour in the civil litigation and Doug's passing on a daily basis." MR LLOYD: Thank you, Ms Biles. Ms Biles, your Honour. THE CHAIR: Ms Biles? Thank you. That's the evidence from Does anyone have any questions of MS ENGLAND: No, your Honour. MR MENZIES: No, your Honour. THE CHAIR: Thank you, Kathleen. Thank you for coming and telling us your story. You are excused. .22/10/2014 (96) 10071 K M BILES (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 <THE WITNESS WITHDREW MR LLOYD: Your Honour, I call Jodie Moore. Her statement, your Honour and Commissioner, is found at tab 2 of volume 1 of the witness bundle. Ms Moore is content for her name to be published, and I suspect the same problem will arise in terms of your Honour and Commissioner having the redacted version. I am told that she will be here in a minute or so. It's unlikely, having regard to the length of her statement, that she would conclude reading it by 1pm. THE CHAIR: We'll see how we go. the pseudonym [AIC]? MR LLOYD: Did she originally have Yes, your Honour. THE CHAIR: The alternative, Mr Lloyd, would be for us to take the luncheon adjournment now. What do you want us to do? MR LLOYD: Subject to your Honour's and Commissioner's convenience -THE CHAIR: We will do whatever Ms Moore wants us to do. MR LLOYD: -- it might be suitable to Ms Moore, and it certainly would be suitable in my submission, to take the luncheon adjournment now and we could resume at 10 to 2. THE CHAIR: Yes, we will adjourn for an hour. tell Ms Moore that we have taken that course. MR LLOYD: THE CHAIR: lunch. MR LLOYD: Would you Yes, your Honour. We will resume and hear her evidence after Yes. Thank you, your Honour. LUNCHEON ADJOURNMENT MR LLOYD: I call Jodie Moore, who is in the back of the room. Ms Moore will come up with a counsellor, Kate Turner. .22/10/2014 (96) 10072 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 <JODIE BELINDA MOORE, sworn: [2pm] <EXAMINATION BY MR LLOYD: MR LLOYD: Q. Can you say your name, please, Ms Moore? A. Jodie Belinda Moore. Q. A. You made a statement on 18 September 2014? Yes. Q. A. What you say in that statement is true? Yes. MR LLOYD: Your Honour, I have identified that that statement is behind tab 2 in volume 1 of the witness bundle, and I tender it. THE CHAIR: That will be exhibit 19-3. EXHIBIT #19-3 STATEMENT OF JODIE BELINDA MOORE DATED 18/09/2014 MR LLOYD: Q. Ms Moore, you think you might need some help with your statement? A. Yes. Q. A. But you're going to try to read it yourself? Yes. Q. I invite you to do that. A. "This statement made by me accurately sets out the evidence that I am prepared to give to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. The statement is true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief. Where direct speech is referred to in this statement, it is provided in words or words to the effect of those which were used, to the best of my recollection. My name is Jodie Belinda Moore. I was born in 1970. I am now aged 45 and I have 6 children. My father died when I was about 6 and a half years old and my mother died at about the same time. I cannot recall either of my parents or any experience in their company. .22/10/2014 (96) 10073 J B MOORE (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 I am aware from reading my Department of Community Services ('DoCS') records that I was placed at Bethcar Children's Home ('Bethcar') in 1976, when I was about 6 years old. I was placed at Bethcar at the same time as my two sisters and my younger brother. I recall I left that place when I was 15 and 9 months old. While at Bethcar, I lived in the main house with Bert and Edie Gordon. I was told by Edie and Bert Gordon that I had to refer to them as mum and dad and that I had no other family except them. While at Bethcar, I attended the Brewarrina Central School and I left in the middle of year 9. I felt very uncomfortable at school and I tried to avoid it as best I could, which involved hiding under the schoolhouse and anywhere else I could. I remember being sexually abused by Bert Gordon and Colin Gibson, who did work around Bethcar and was related to the Gordons. I was also physically and emotionally abused by Edie Gordon. I recall that I suffered from bed wetting soon after I started at Bethcar. This continued until I left there just before my 16th birthday. I remember that this bed wetting was because I was so scared of Colin Gibson coming into my room and sexually abusing me. I also remember deliberately breaking my arm when I was about 8 years old so that I could get a break from the sexual abuse. I estimate that I was sexually assaulted about 50 times per year by Colin Gibson. Following most of these assaults, I bled from my vagina and I was in a lot of pain. Sometimes I would be assaulted a number of times per week and sometimes it would be full sexual intercourse and sometimes he would put his finger into my vagina. When I got to high school and was told about sex education, I realised what had happened to me with Colin Gibson was sexual assault. At that point, I tried to run away from Bethcar. I was in about year 6 when I ran away to Tom Winters' place. Tom used to work at the Land .22/10/2014 (96) 10074 J B MOORE (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Council. I didn't tell Tom what was happening. However, when I ran away or did not complete the chores that were allocated to me, I was beaten by Edie Gordon. I particularly recall being beaten by a large red strap that was used to sharpen razors and being hit with pepper tree branches. As a result of these beatings, I had bruising and scarring on my legs and other parts of my body. Bert Gordon often said words to the effect that I was a 'low down mongrel'. Bert Gordon and Edie Gordon often said words to the effect that 'I was unloved and I had no family'. I remember telling Edie Gordon about one of Bert's assaults. When Edie Gordon told Bert Gordon, he tipped a pot of boiling water from the stove all over her head. She was badly scalded and was taken out of town for a few months. I soon learned not to tell the adults about my problems, as I was causing more problems. When I was in about year 6 at school, I saw Colin Gibson assault two other children living at Bethcar, [REDACTED] and [AIE], who was only a baby at the time. I think one of the girls told someone what happened because [REDACTED] took [REDACTED] to the police station. Anne Dimech and Terry Madden from Welfare took me and a few of the other children to the police station. At the police station, the police took verbal statements from us. Afterwards, Anne and Terry took us back to Bethcar. Bert and Edie flogged us with a pepper tree branch. I also recall when I was 16 or 17 reporting the events to the police, but it took about 20 years for Colin Gibson to be charged. I went to the police most recently about Colin because I just couldn't handle it anymore and everything that had happened to me at Bethcar was like a jigsaw puzzle in my mind. DoCS had taken my kids, and I had also started drinking, so it was a difficult period for me. I believe that the system let me down because although there were people that came to visit us from the government at Bethcar, they would interview us when the Gordons were present. As a result, we could not tell them what we felt or what was going on or we would have been abused by the Gordons. .22/10/2014 (96) 10075 J B MOORE (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Bert Gordon was awarded Father of the Year while we were at Bethcar and he was regarded as a great Christian. I escaped from Bethcar at about 16 when the Gordons were taking a trip to the Northern Territory for a month. I slept down at the river in Brewarrina and at that time I started drinking alcohol. Five or six months later, I found out I had another sister. I lived with my sister for 12 months and, after that time, she collapsed and died. I witnessed her death and was deeply troubled by that experience. I had to provide for myself and I had no-one to look after me. After that time, I was involved in two violent relationships with partners, and then I took to drinking alcohol and smoking cannabis. I have attended many detoxification centres, but I cannot remember much about them. I used to be a binge drinker, but now I have my own home and my own furniture and I don't need to do that anymore. I have experienced repeated flashbacks to what went on at Bethcar, both physically and sexually. I cannot prevent these things coming into my mind. No matter what I am doing, they haunt me. In particular, over the years, if I have engaged in any intercourse, I have had flashbacks to being assaulted by Colin Gibson and I have no enjoyment of sexual intercourse. I tried to look after my children, but I feel that I have failed miserably because of my own incapacity. I have not worked for many years, though I did some work in cleaning and working at Payless many years ago. Since I left Bethcar, I have survived on drugs, alcohol and cigarettes. I have had violent relationships and poor communications with my children, even though I feel that DoCS did a worse job with them than I would have done myself. In 2010 I had a 12-year-old daughter She was assaulted by in Brewarrina during .22/10/2014 (96) row with DoCS over them taking my then and sending her to a local school. a representative for the Working Party this time. He pleaded guilty and 10076 J B MOORE (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 I believe he was sentenced to gaol for 12 years. I feel that my whole life has been relived through my daughter and I feel that DoCS let me down and now they have let my daughter down. I find I can no longer trust anyone in authority and I get very violent if issues come my way and I cannot control my temper. I fear adults or authority, and even today I do not trust people in authority. I suffer many anxiety attacks. I suffer from a seizure disorder and I have had multiple seizures in my life. My relationships have been absolutely disastrous and I have lived in abusive relationships. In October 2009 I was looking after one of my grandchildren, and my friend came over and we started drinking at about 9am. At around that time, my partner attempted to assault me in my fractured rib area. My partner had been physically violent to me many times, including knocking out my teeth, fracturing my rib and giving me many bruises. I had been chopping a banana for my grandchild and, as he approached me to punch me again, he alleges that I stabbed him. I have no recollection of stabbing my partner. found guilty and spent four months in gaol. I was I have no hobbies or interest in my life, and at most stages of my adult life, I could not care whether I lived or died. I have also spent a large part of my life living from day to day and drinking alcohol to subdue my anxiety about what happened to me at Bethcar. At the trial of Colin Gibson, I gave a statement to the police. When I gave my statement to the police about Colin Gibson, I was asked to return to Bethcar to identify where things occurred. When I returned there, I began to shake and lost control of my body. I felt my head spinning and I broke out in a sweat. When I gave evidence in the court trial, I was verbally abused by the Gordons and the Gibsons. I was also verbally abused by people in the community for speaking out .22/10/2014 (96) 10077 J B MOORE (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 against the Gordons, who were held in high regard in the community. The experience of giving evidence in court was very traumatic and I had a seizure in the witness box after I glimpsed Colin Gibson's face in the courtroom as well as the faces of his wife and other family members. When Colin Gibson was sentenced to gaol, he was found guilty of three offences with respect to me. These were mainly sexual intercourse without my consent. I was awarded victims compensation of $50,000 on 31 July 2007. I spent this money on a white Commodore, some furniture and my children. I did not have a car licence, but I drove the car and therefore was charged with other offences. I then gave the car to my daughter. I have been involved in various appeals related to my award of victims compensation. In 2011 the Supreme Court of New South Wales Court of Appeal restored the decision of the Victims Compensation Tribunal to award me $50,000. When I gave evidence at Colin Gibson's trial, I understood this was because he had done bad things to us and he should be sent to gaol. I did not at that point know that I might have a claim for compensation against the State for not making sure we were looked after properly. In about 2008 my lawyers, Women's Legal Services, told me I might have a claim against the State for failing to protect me and prevent Colin Gibson and the Gordons from abusing me. Prior to that date, I had no idea of any rights or any time limits affecting any claim I might have had. It was not until I spoke with my solicitors in 2008 that I really appreciated that there was some connection between my mental state and what happened at Bethcar. Up to that point, I tried to put it all to the back of my mind and just got through life by drinking alcohol. Even since my solicitors told me about the claim, I was unsure of what was going on and what was happening in the courts. The case settled in 2013 and I received a settlement award. I also received a verbal apology from DoCS at the mediation and then a written version of the apology. .22/10/2014 (96) 10078 J B MOORE (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 I found it extremely traumatic to have to go through all of these issues again with both the doctors and my lawyers. Following each of the assessments, I increased my alcohol consumption and I feel like I just wanted to stay in bed and disappear from the world forever. I found that each time I was asked to describe the events, I got very agitated and it brought back all of the memories that I have tried to suppress. I found it very difficult to travel to Sydney and to attend the meetings in the city. I did not fully understand what was going on in relation to Bethcar and all that happened to me there. I do, however, understand that Colin Gibson, Bert and Edie Gordon treated me very badly when I was there, and because I was so young I did not have any choice but to stay in that place and be abused on a regular basis. I went through the litigation as it was about getting some justice for what had happened to me and getting answers from DoCS. I felt that DoCS dragged the case out, although they knew what had gone on at Bethcar. I also felt that the apology they gave us at the end was made a little too late. If they knew what had happened, why did it take them so long to make an apology to us? Although I received a settlement award, that wasn't really what I went into the process for. I just wanted to forget what had happened and put it behind me. Women's Legal Services did everything that they could for us. They couldn't have done anything more. They kept communicating with us through the whole process and always talked to us, and not at us. I trusted the women at Women's Legal Services and they always kept in contact." MR LLOYD: THE CHAIR: Ms Moore? Thank you. That is the evidence. Does anyone else have any questions of MR MENZIES: No, thank you. MS ENGLAND: No, your Honour. THE CHAIR: .22/10/2014 (96) Thank you, Jodie, for coming and tell us your 10079 J B MOORE (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 story. You are excused. <THE WITNESS WITHDREW MR LLOYD: Your Honour, Commissioner, the next witness is Amelia Moore. Her statement is to be found behind tab 3 in volume 1 of the witness statements bundle. Ms Moore does not feel up to coming into the witness box and reading her statement. Subject to your Honour's views, I propose the following course, which I have raised with all those at the Bar table and with which they agree, that Ms Deane, my instructing solicitor, reads Ms Moore's statement. If that course is acceptable, what I should first do is tender it. THE CHAIR: We'll make the statement exhibit 19-4. EXHIBIT #19-4 STATEMENT OF AMELIA FLORENCE MOORE DATED 18/09/2014 THE CHAIR: MR LLOYD: It can be read. I invite Ms Deane to read that statement. MS DEANE: This statement made by me accurately sets out the evidence that I am prepared to give to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. The statement is true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief. My name is Amelia Florence Moore. I was born on 25 November 1968. second of four children. I was the I remember feeling very loved and cared for by my parents when I was a child. I remember that I spent a lot of time with my mother and I was very happy with her. My mother died when I was age 6. died when I was age 11. .22/10/2014 (96) 10080 My father A F MOORE (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Shortly after my mother died, my two sisters and I were taken to Bethcar Children's Home in Brewarrina in New South Wales for safekeeping. I remember one day after school, I saw the Bethcar bus parked across the road from Brewarrina School. My father went over and spoke to the bus driver and asked if we could live at Bethcar. My father could not look after us, because he was an alcoholic. My youngest brother was already living at Bethcar when we arrived. I was aged between 5 and 8 years old. As far as I can remember, I remained at Bethcar until I was about 16. Bethcar was run by Bert Gordon and Edith Gordon. When Bert and Edie were absent, Bethcar was run by their daughter, [AIT], and her husband, Colin Gibson. There were two houses at Bethcar - a big house where Bert and Edie lived with most of the children, and a smaller house where Colin and [AIT] lived. The big house was always full of people. It was a fibro house with a tin roof. I cannot remember who I shared a room with because they were always chopping and changing our rooms. There was a big verandah with a heap of beds down one wall. They were old hospital beds, made of iron. This was where the younger girls would sleep. There were about four or five bedrooms. Edie's daughter had a room to herself in the middle of the house. In one room, there was [AIE], [AIH] and [AIG]. In another room, there was [AIF], [AIL] and Kate Biles and [AIS]. My sisters and I shared a room for a while. We attended school at Brewarrina Central. Bert or Colin would drive us to school and pick us up of an afternoon. We did chores before and after school, such as washing up and making sandwiches. .22/10/2014 (96) 10081 A F MOORE (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Colin would mainly work at the pump, which was down at the river. You could not see the pump shed from the back of the house and we used to run down there to go yabbying. I am aware of people from my neighbourhood coming to visit Bethcar and I never remember anybody from the government coming to check on us or to see if we were okay, and we were never told that we could talk to anybody about the violence and the attacks on us by the people who ran Bethcar. One day, [AIT] told me to get some cotton buds from her house. I was walking down the hallway in [AIT]'s house and I heard footsteps behind me. I turned around and saw Colin walking up towards me. He put his hands on my shoulders and tried to push me onto the floor and kiss me on my neck. I said words to the following effect: "No, no, don't do it." Then [AIT] arrived. Colin let go of me and I ran out. Before I got to the big house, I saw Colin walking towards the river, and [AIT] was having words with him. I could hear her yelling at him. I went into the big house and told some of the girls that Colin had tried to get me. I don't remember who I told, but we all ran up to the sliding doors and watched Colin and [AIT] walking down the river. I don't remember how old I was when this happened or how long it was after I first arrived at Bethcar. I remember another time when Colin touched me on the breast. I told one of my friends at school what had happened. I don't remember how old I was when this happened, but I can remember that it must have got around at school. I spoke to Kevin Williams and his wife, who were Aboriginal .22/10/2014 (96) 10082 A F MOORE (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 workers in the Aboriginal Legal Service at the school. I also spoke to my teacher in year 3 or 4, Ms [REDACTED]. I think that Terry Madden was with DoCS or Welfare at the time, because I can remember talking to him about the abuse. Terry Madden took four of the girls from Bethcar to the police station. I don't remember what happened, but I can remember being there. Bert was called and was present at the meeting, and I recall that he drove us home. I don't recall the police ever taking any action after that. I did not have a lot of trust in the police growing up, as they were known to be physically abusive and violent towards Aboriginal people in the community. After this experience, I never told anyone about anything that happened at Bethcar, not even my sisters. I was too scared. During my time at Bethcar, I remember being physically and psychologically abused by both Bert and Edie. Edie would often beat me with a jug cord. She also used tree branches, a strap, or would punch with her fists and would hit until she was too tired to continue. Bert regularly told me that I was not worth much and that I would never come to anything. I was also verbally abused by Colin on a daily basis. I regularly witnessed my younger sister and brother being flogged, too, by Bert and Edie. I could never understand why they were beaten in such a savage way. We were never given any proper supplies, like toothbrushes or feminine hygiene products, at Bethcar, and if I needed those, I had to buy them if I had any money of my own. Many times during my stay at Bethcar, I decided to run away. However, each time I tried to do this, I hesitated because .22/10/2014 (96) 10083 A F MOORE (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 I did not feel I could care for myself in the outside world. Any time I spoke up for myself or tried to do anything different at Bethcar, I got a flogging. Throughout my adult life, I have regarded being flogged as a normal part of life and, if you speak up for yourself, then that is the punishment that you get. I stayed at Bethcar until about 1984. I think I was in year 10. Then I went and lived in Maitland with Diane and Russell Boney, who I had known previously through school. Welfare contacted them and asked them to take me. I considered them to be a safe family. I attended school at Maitland Girls High. However, I was only there for a couple of months and I never got to sit my year 10 certificate. Bert and Edie and the kids had moved to Orange by then and the girls used to ring me up from Orange and I got homesick. My sister Jodie was still with the Gordons, and I wanted to be with family. I rang Bert up and he got me a ticket and I came to Orange to live with Bert and Edie again. I recall that Colin and [AIT] stayed in Brewarrina. A couple of months after I came over from Maitland, my sister Jodie and I ran away when we all went back to Brewarrina for a trip. We hid and then went out to Dodge Aboriginal Reserve. Bert ran after us and told Jodie to get back. Bert would not let Jodie go and she did not end up living with me in Dodge. I lived there with my other sister. At about 18, I got married. My husband and I had four children together. This marriage lasted 10 years, but there was significant domestic violence during this marriage. I was hospitalised several times as a result of the injuries inflicted by my husband. My husband also spent time in .22/10/2014 (96) 10084 A F MOORE (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 gaol for breach of apprehended violence orders. My children often witnessed the beatings that my husband gave to me. At the end of the relationship, I went to live in a women's refuge with my children. My ex-husband came to terrorise us from time to time. From leaving Bethcar up to the birth of my last child, I had been drinking alcohol on a moderate basis. When my last child was aged about six, I started drinking alcohol excessively and my older sister took custody of my children for a while. In 2003 I had myself admitted to an alcohol rehabilitation program in Cowra for three months. I stopped drinking after this time and got my children back. During the years I was drinking alcohol excessively, I could not give a care about what happened in life. I was not aware of anything happening on a daily basis because I was often drunk and I was not a good mother to my children. When I gave up the grog seven years ago, I started to write things down so I could remember them. My memory is very bad and I have to write things down; otherwise, I will forget things. In about 2001, I gave a statement to the police when Colin Gibson was about to be charged for having abused children in Bethcar. I did not give evidence at his trial. I have received victims compensation a few times over the years. I received $12,000 of victims compensation for domestic violence resulting from my relationship with [REDACTED]. In about August 2009, I saw Margaret .22/10/2014 (96) 10085 A F MOORE (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Johnson, a psychologist, and she helped me to understand that the reason why I put up with the physical abuse from my husband was because I had grown up with that background in Bethcar. I had learned to accept that a daily flogging was normal in childhood and also normal in marriage. The report of Ms Johnson was read to me by my lawyers at Women's Legal Services, and I agree with what she has written in that report. Up to the point of meeting with Ms Johnson, I was very reluctant to recount the events at Bethcar as I found it very traumatic. I did attend the court for my sisters' criminal cases against Colin Gibson, but I did not give any evidence. I sat at the back of the court and found it all very traumatic as it reminded me of the events at Bethcar. I prefer not to mention anything about my life at Bethcar, and when I was seen by a Dr Patricia Jungfer on behalf of my solicitors on 23 August 2010, I could not continue this conference in one go. I had to take a break and collect my thoughts, then go back in. I found it all very traumatic dealing with Bethcar. I prefer not to deal with it, and my life is easier if I do not have to think about it or repeat the events to anybody. The whole episode was extremely traumatic and I felt absolutely powerless and dominated by those people looking after me at Bethcar. I try to avoid all kinds of reminders of my previous childhood experiences at Bethcar. Any time I have ever talked about the incidents, it causes me psychiatric symptoms. I have felt terrible emotional trauma about what went on at Bethcar. This varies from shame to guilt to being treated as a liar and somebody who cannot be believed. .22/10/2014 (96) 10086 A F MOORE (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 I had no idea how severe my condition was or that it was in any way related to the events at Bethcar until my lawyers told me in about 2008 that I might have a claim against the government for the way I was treated at Bethcar. I went along with what my lawyers told me, but sometimes I didn't understand all that was going on. I lived in Orange for about 20 years. I now live in Brewarrina with my foster daughter, who is 11 years old. Throughout my adult years, I have had four children and I fostered a child about seven years ago and she lives with me at the moment. The civil litigation was a very emotional experience for me. Going through it made me have to deal with all my memories of Bethcar all over again. I felt that I had to repeat those experiences all over again in order to move forward. I just wanted to get to the next stage, to move on with my life. The litigation was strung out over many years, which made it harder to get through. I pulled out of the litigation a few times and eventually came back. It was great working with Women's Legal Services. They were extremely supportive and told me what was happening every step of the way, so I had no fear about the process. They also looked after us in terms of getting us to Sydney for the mediation and taking care of our accommodation, meals and letting us know the times things were happening. If I had any questions about the process, I would ask them and they would always answer my questions. It was also good going through the process as a group with the other women from Bethcar, as we were .22/10/2014 (96) 10087 A F MOORE (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 able to support each other. I didn't really have any real expectations of the outcome of the litigation. One of the reasons I went through it was that I thought it would help me to heal. I received a sum of money from the litigation. However, money was not what it was about for me. FACS made an apology to us at the mediation, but that did not help. They acknowledged that the abuse happened, but they did not acknowledge that we were there. It didn't seem like a sincere apology to me, especially as they denied that they had any responsibility for what had happened through the whole process and were haggling over money. I can't say that I'm glad that I went through the process, and I still feel hurt and anger. I still see people around who knew about the abuse and who didn't do anything at the time. Also, it took so long for the case to get to court, and by that time Bert had already died and was never charged. I did not feel that there was any justice for us, as the people who were responsible for what happened were not held accountable. MS DEANE: May it please the Commission. THE CHAIR: Mr Lloyd, could you ensure that the thanks of myself and the Commissioner are conveyed to Ms Moore for her statement. MR LLOYD: That will be done, your Honour. The next witness is [AIH] and is subject to the pseudonym direction that your Honour made earlier today. Her statement is found at tab 4 in volume 1 of the witness statements bundle. The position with respect to [AIH] is the same as with respect to Ms Amelia Moore, and on that basis I tender the statement of [AIH]. THE CHAIR: .22/10/2014 (96) That will be exhibit 19-5. 10088 A F MOORE (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 EXHIBIT #19-5 STATEMENT OF [AIH] DATED 18/09/2014 MR LLOYD: I invite Ms Deane to read that statement. MS DEANE: This statement made by me accurately sets out the evidence that I am prepared to give to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. The statement is true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief. My full name is [AIH]. I was born in 1967 and I am 46 years of age. I have lived in Brewarrina all of my life. I have three brothers. My dad had another family and he had four children with his other partners. I went to Brewarrina Central School in Brewarrina. I liked school. I wanted to be a day carer when I grew up. I like looking after children. When I was about 11 years old, my mother started to drink heavily. When she was drunk, she would sometimes give me a flogging. Usually it would be if I did something wrong, and she would hit me. I did not see my dad very much because he would travel around working, but when he did return home, I remember that my mum and dad would fight a lot, so I would go to my auntie's house. When I was about 11 years old, I was taken by the Welfare Department. They came and removed me from school. I remember that Terry Madden (Terry) was the Welfare man. I liked him and I felt that I would be safe when he took me. I did not want to go with Welfare, but I remember Terry saying that I had to go with him because I was running away all the time. This was usually when .22/10/2014 (96) 10089 [AIH] (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 I was going to my auntie's place, which was still in Brewarrina. I was taken directly to Bethcar Children's Home in Brewarrina, New South Wales. I was 11 years old. I felt that I would be safe at Bethcar. Bethcar was run by Bert Gordon and Edith Gordon. They were my foster parents. Bert's nickname was "Grub". Bethcar was comprised of two residential houses. Bert and Edie lived in the big house with all of the children. Colin Gibson and [AIT] lived in the second, smaller house. [AIT] was the daughter of Bert and Edie and she was married to Colin. Colin was a short, solidly built Aboriginal man. Colin's roles at Bethcar included driving the school bus, fixing the pipes and operating the pump which pumped water up from the river. While I was at Bethcar, I do not remember anybody from the government coming to check on the kids to see if we were okay. I remember that some of the girls at Bethcar would receive special treatment, like having bedroom all to themselves with special toys and presents. I am not sure why they were treated differently. It seems to me that Bert and Edie just had their favourites. I did not receive special treatment. I used to share a room with Amelia Moore and [AII]. They are my mother's sisters, so they are my aunties, though I am a little older than they are. There were daily chores at Bethcar that the kids had to do. My job was to make the beds. If I did not make the boys' and girls' beds, I would get flogged by Edith. She would hit me with a belt or an electric .22/10/2014 (96) 10090 [AIH] (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 jug cord. Usually a flogging involved being hit many times, and I would end up with bruises and swelling. Usually I was hit across the back of the legs. Sometimes we would rotate around the jobs, so I might change to cleaning the bathroom or shining shoes. One morning, a girl had wet her bed. I knew she would get a hiding with the strap or a jug cord if this was discovered, so I decided to hide the soiled sheets and put clean sheets on her bed. After I had finished, Colin entered the bedroom and grabbed me. He touched my boobs and then he pushed me under the bed. He kept touching my boobs and rubbing my vagina on the outside of my underpants. I remember that I heard the sound of someone approaching, and Colin stopped. I was scared. I thought I would be safe at Bethcar, but after this incident, I knew that I was not safe. I was in absolute shock and I did not know what to do. Immediately afterwards, I attended a bible reading class that Colin was leading. I was so embarrassed that I could not look at him. Thereafter, when I saw Colin around Bethcar, I would feel sick. I was about 12 years old at the time. I told my auntie about what happened, and she said words to the effect of, "Do not worry about it". I knew she was right, because I believe if I had told someone, I would just get a hiding. I did not tell anyone about what happened. I had heard other girls say that they had been touched inappropriately and seen them get a hiding for saying it. No-one believed the girls. All the grown-ups at Bethcar - Bert, Edie, Colin or [AIT] would say words to the effect of, "She is .22/10/2014 (96) 10091 [AIH] (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 lying". I remember Bert, Edie or [AIT] would regularly give us hidings, usually for minor things like not doing what we were asked. We might be asked to wash the laundry with an old hand-operated washing machine. One of the parts used to come off and it was hard to use. If I complained that I couldn't do it, they would flog me and say, "Yes, you can". I tried to stay out of trouble. Before I arrived at Bethcar, I could get away from people who I thought might hurt me, as I could go to another house where I thought I was safe. At Bethcar, however, I could not go anywhere. Colin would prowl the halls at night and I could hear him walking around. I would hide under my bed at night, hoping that if he came looking for sex, he could not find me. I was afraid to sleep, in case he found me. I was so scared. I ran away from Bethcar once because of Colin, but Welfare brought me back to the home. Terry was still the welfare officer. I don't recall telling Terry why I ran away. I think Terry asked me why I ran away, but I made something up because I was too scared that it would get back to Bert and Edie. I left Bethcar as soon as I could. I ran away a second time to Brewarrina, but the police told me that I had to leave town, so I went to Bourke and stayed with a family I knew. I attended school in Bourke for a little while, but later I returned to Brewarrina. I never went back to Bethcar but stayed with family. I was disgusted about what happened to me and I remember I would often see Colin around Brewarrina. Often after I saw Colin, I would go and have a drink to mingle with others and try to forget. .22/10/2014 (96) 10092 [AIH] (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 I felt angry about what Colin had done to me. It made me angry that he was conducting bible readings and carrying on like he was respectable, even though he had sexually abused me. When I saw him, I would want to smash a bottle and cut him. I still have so much hate in my heart. When I was 18 years old, I had my first son. I have had four children to different fathers, but I could never care for any of them. My children have been in care for most of their lives. Two of my children are in gaol - one in Brewarrina and one in Kempsey. In or about 1999, I did some relief work at Bulgun Place, a respite care centre, where I helped out with the residents, but I have not been able to work since then because there are not many jobs in Brewarrina and I don't have any qualifications. I am very poorly educated and can barely read or write. After I left Bethcar, I turned to alcohol to solve my problems and to make the pain go away. However, it just got worse and worse. I am a heavy smoker and I have a history of drug and alcohol abuse. I have attended numerous rehabilitation programs. My life has been a hazy existence of grog and drugs, and any time when I am sober, I feel great remorse about not being able to look after my children. I blamed myself for what happened at Bethcar. I have made a few suicide attempts, starting when I was about 17 years old. I have felt depressed all of my life and turned to the grog to ease my feelings. .22/10/2014 (96) 10093 [AIH] (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 I did not appreciate what depression was until my doctor told me I was suffering from depression. He put me on tablets, and I did not notice any difference. I have stopped taking the tablets. I trust nobody because adults in my life have taken advantage of me, and the only time I can cope with life is when I am drunk or using drugs. I have had a number of relationships with men, many of whom have been physically and sexually abusive towards me. An incident in 2006 ended with my partner being put in gaol after stabbing me. I have never had anyone look after me. One of the fathers of my children would hit me and a former boyfriend also hit me, but this is nothing compared to the hate that I have in my heart for Colin. I feel sad and scared that my life has turned out as it has. I blame the abuse at Bethcar for all of my problems. I accept that I have been very traumatised by the incidents of sexual abuse I have experienced. I would like to try and get a house on the coast somewhere away from Brewarrina. I would like to get my girls back and try to protect them. I think that things happened to them in foster care, because I have asked them if they were abused, but they told me it was none of my business. In February 2003 I received a four-month suspended sentence for assault. I knew that the only way to stay out of gaol was to get off the grog, so I went to rehab at Orana Haven. I do not think rehab helps. I need to find the willpower to do it myself. .22/10/2014 (96) 10094 [AIH] (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 I have been in gaol on a number of occasions for drunkenness, drink driving and fighting. I do not know what is going to happen to me. I am trying to stay off the grog so that I do not stress out as much. I want my story and the story of Bethcar to be told so that the public knows what happened at Bethcar. About February 2001, I had an interview with Detective Freer in relation to criminal charges against Colin. I did not understand the purpose of the interview or that Colin was being charged for having assaulted me at Bethcar. About December 2002, I made a statement at Brewarrina Police Station about Colin. It has been hard for me in Brewarrina since I made the statement. I have experienced people giving me a hard time for reporting the incident, and they call me a liar. I am not a liar. I know what happened to me. I did not know there was a claim I could make for compensation against the State of New South Wales for what happened to me at Bethcar until I was informed by my solicitors at the Women's Legal Services in 2003. I received about $30,000 in victims compensation for the assaults on me by Colin Gibson. The money did not last long. I have no control over my spending and I cannot plan my future. In or about 2008, my solicitors, Women's Legal Services, told me that I might have a claim against the State for the lack of care of me whilst I was at Bethcar. Before that, I did not know that there was any time limit in bringing a claim against the .22/10/2014 (96) 10095 [AIH] (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 State, and even to this day I do not fully understand all of the issues around bringing the claim. It was not until my solicitors told me in about 2008 that I might have a claim against the State for the things that happened to me at Bethcar that I understood any rights that I might have against the State for what happened to me at Bethcar. I am glad I went through this process. Women's Legal Services explained the process of the civil litigation, and I found that what they told me was accurate. It was difficult to talk about the abuse again. I did not really know what to expect as a result of the litigation but was hoping to get some further financial compensation. At the end of the process, I received about $107,000. This was more than I expected to get. I found Women's Legal Services to be very helpful. They guided me through the process and I relied on their advice. I believe they gave me good advice. I would use their services again if I had to go through a similar process. The money I received as a result of the litigation process has helped me to move on with my life. MS DEANE: May it please the Commission. THE CHAIR: Thank you. Mr Lloyd, could you also ensure that [AIH] receives our thanks for her statement. MR LLOYD: I will do that, your Honour. Your Honour and Commissioner, the next witness is [AIQ] and is subject to the pseudonym direction that your Honour made earlier in the day. .22/10/2014 (96) 10096 [AIH] (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Her statement is found behind tab 5 in volume 1 of the witness bundle. Her position is the same as the previous witness, in that she does not feel up to giving evidence in the witness box and would prefer for her statement to be read by Ms Deane. I tender that statement. THE CHAIR: That statement will be exhibit 19-6. EXHIBIT #19-6 STATEMENT OF [AIQ] DATED 18/09/2014 MS DEANE: This statement made by me accurately sets out the evidence that I am prepared to give to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. The statement is true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief. Where direct speech is referred to in this statement, it is provided in words or words to the effect of those which, to the best of my recollection, were used at the time. My name is [AIQ]. I was born in 1972 and I am 42 years old. My mother lived in Brewarrina when pregnant with me. My mother was flown to Sydney for my birth, where I was born premature. I spent three months in hospital in Sydney. I have never met my father and do not know who he is. I am aware that he died when I was about 8 years old. I also have a half-sister, who is 13 years younger than me. After leaving hospital in Sydney, my mother placed me into the care of Bethcar Children's Home in Brewarrina, New South Wales, at the age of three months. My mother was also brought up at Bethcar. After leaving me at Bethcar, my mother went and studied nursing at St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney, though she visited me on occasions. I lived at Bethcar until I was seven or eight years old, when I went to live with my mother and stepfather after they got married. .22/10/2014 (96) 10097 [AIQ] (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Bethcar was a residential foster home for Aboriginal children who could not be cared for by their parents. Bethcar was located about 9 miles outside of Brewarrina. The home consisted of two residential houses. The first was a large house, where most of the children lived with Bert and Edith Gordon. There were about 32 kids at Bethcar. Bert Gordon and Edith Gordon were responsible for the running of Bethcar. I called them "Pop" and "Nan". [AIT] and Colin Gibson lived in the second smaller house. [AIT] was the daughter of Bert and Edith. Colin Gibson was married to [AIT]. They had two children of their own and a foster daughter, [AIO]. I used to stay in both of the two houses. When staying in the smaller house, I would share a room with [AIO]. In the big house, I would share a room with the young girls, [AIG], Kate and [AIE]. Whilst living at Bethcar, we were required to clean, wash up and make our beds. If we didn't do our chores, we would be hit, mostly by Colin. Sometimes he would hit me with his bare hand or branches off the pepper tree out the front of the house. He would hit me a number of times across the back of the legs. Often I would suffer bruising and swelling as a result. We had to clean and slave for them; otherwise, we would get a hiding. Mum would visit maybe once a year, whenever she had time off and it was convenient for her. When I was five years old, I started school. I went to Brewarrina Central Public School. I remember that my teacher in kindergarten was Mrs Wearne. Gibson used to drive us to school in a bus. Every morning at Bethcar, all of the kids .22/10/2014 (96) 10098 [AIQ] (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 participated in a bible study. I don't remember exactly when the sexual abuse by Gibson started, but I think I was two or three years old at the time. I remember one specific incident when I was five years old. I was outside playing after school when Gibson approached me. He asked me if I wanted some lollies, and I followed him into his house. He gave me some lollies and took me into the bedroom that he and [AIT] shared. Gibson then lay me down on the bed on my back and took my pants off. I was wearing tracksuit pants because the weather was cold. After Gibson took my pants off, he removed his jeans. He then lay down on top of me and pushed his penis into my vagina and had sex with me. It really hurt and I just lay there and closed my eyes. During this incident, I did not say anything and Gibson did not say anything. When he was finished, I do not know if he ejaculated, I put my pants back on and went back outside. Following this incident, I was bleeding from my vagina. I did not tell anyone about what happened. About a month later, the same thing happened. I was outside playing with some of the other kids in Bethcar - Kate Biles, [AIL] and [AIG]. Gibson coaxed me into his house by offering me lollies. I again followed him into the house and Gibson took me into his bedroom. He lay me down and took my pants off. He then took off his pants. He then lay on top of me and pushed his penis into my vagina and moved it in and out. I don't remember how long this went on for. When he finished, I don't know if he ejaculated, I again put my pants back on and went back outside. It really hurt this time as well and caused me to bleed from my .22/10/2014 (96) 10099 [AIQ] (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 vagina again. I didn't really understand what he was doing to me at the time, but I was really upset each time that Gibson did this to me. I did not tell anyone about this incident. I also remember another occasion when Gibson sexually assaulted me and caused me to be late for dinner. I think it took place in his house. I remember I was wearing a red knitted jumpsuit and that it was raining. I don't remember how old I was during this incident, but I think I was very young. I think it was before I started school. I remember that I had blood running down my legs from the abuse by Gordon. I was flogged by Edith for being late for dinner. I was never taken to the hospital in relation to the sexual assaults. I didn't tell anyone about the bleeding. I was too scared to tell anyone. I believe the adults would have called me a liar and I would have been flogged for talking about it. I also remember Gibson molesting me in the schoolhouse before it burnt down. He used to make me fondle his genitals. I am certain that Gibson continued to sexually abuse me until I left Bethcar and went to live with my mother, although I can't remember all of the specific incidents. I would estimate that Gibson sexually abused me between five and ten times during my time at Bethcar. The girls at Bethcar used to confide in each other and we discussed the abuse by Gibson. I am pretty certain Gibson was abusing all of the girls at Bethcar. There were about 15 girls at Bethcar when I was there, ranging from about 16 years old to about 3 or 4 years old. Other than discussing the abuse with the .22/10/2014 (96) 10100 [AIQ] (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 other girls, I didn't tell anyone of the abuse. Gibson would get angry and physically abusive if we did anything wrong, so I was too scared of him to tell anyone else. [AIT] was nice to us and I didn't want to upset her by telling her what her husband was doing. The first time I told an adult about the abuse from Gibson was when I told my foster sister in about 2007. Since the court matter where Gibson was convicted, it has been very hard for me. Half of the family don't believe anything happened, and I know people have been talking behind my back, but things have been a little better since Gibson was convicted and put in gaol. When I was about seven or eight years old, my mother married my stepfather. My mother was in a better position to care for me, so I left Bethcar and went to live with my mother and my stepfather in Gosford, New South Wales. My mother was working as a nurse. My stepfather had a number of different jobs. I did not get on with my stepfather and we continue to dislike each other. I also felt like my mother had dumped me in Bethcar and it was her fault that I had been abused. Whilst living in Gosford, I attended Brisbania Public School, then Lisarow High School on the Central Coast. I left school in year 11, as I did not like school anymore. In about 1991, I moved to Scone because my mother and stepfather were too interfering and wanted to rule my life. I didn't talk to my mother for about 10 years. Whilst in Scone, I met a man. He and I had a relationship during which I fell pregnant and gave birth to my first son. We ended our relationship because we were both too young and it didn't work out. At the end of the relationship, I gave my son to my .22/10/2014 (96) 10101 [AIQ] (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 mother to look after. I was unemployed and receiving unemployment benefits. A couple of years later, I met [REDACTED]. We started a relationship and were together for 10 years. During this relationship, I had a further three children. [REDACTED] turned out to be an alcoholic and would regularly come home drunk and bash me. When my son was about two months old, I walked out and moved back to Brewarrina. In 2001 I spoke with detectives about the abuse by Gibson. A statement was drafted, but I declined to sign the statement as I was pregnant with my youngest child at the time and did not want to become involved. In 2007 I made an application for victims compensation for the abuse that I suffered at Bethcar. I provided some statutory declarations that outlined the abuse that I suffered from Gibson. I also underwent medical and psychological examinations. In 2009 I was awarded $42,000 compensation for the abuse. The sexual abuse was horrible. I had no-one I could talk to about it, so I just bottled it up inside and blocked it out of my mind. This caused me to become a timid, shy and weak child. I always kept to myself and was very uncomfortable at high school when the other girls would talk about sex. In order to continue blocking out the memories, I started to use drugs and alcohol. I abused drugs from when I was 18 years old until I was about 35 years old. I was using heroin, amphetamines and cannabis. I was drinking as much as 32 bottles of beer a day. .22/10/2014 (96) 10102 [AIQ] (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 I hate people seeing me naked. I can't stand my partner coming into the bathroom if I am undressed. I do not care about my experience and usually wear ugly clothing. I see myself as unattractive. The abuse has affected by ability to have relationships. I cannot trust people and I cringe at the idea of having sex. I try to make up excuses and use drugs and alcohol as a way of avoiding sex by getting my partners too intoxicated. I hate people touching me. I cannot play games with my youngest son when he tries to hold me down and tickle me. Once the police contacted me and the investigation of Gibson commenced, I could no longer block out the memories of my abuse. I then became depressed, and I suffer from severe anxiety disorder and severe post-traumatic stress disorder. I also contracted Lupus, which I suffered from for about two years. I am still on steroid medication for the Lupus and it is current in remission. I suffer from cardiac, respiratory and cholesterol problems, and when I am depressed I still drink alcohol. I suffered from a stoke last year. About 2007 I told my mother about the abuse. I also sought some counselling in relation to the abuse. Since Gibson has been convicted and sent to prison, it has helped me to come to terms with the abuse and I have felt a little better knowing that he has been found guilty of his crimes. As a result, I have stopped the counselling sessions. I was advised by my lawyers, Women's Legal Services, that the government had a responsibility to properly care for me whilst I was under their care. The abuse I suffered at Bethcar was a result of the .22/10/2014 (96) 10103 [AIQ] (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 government not fulfilling their duty of care for me and I was advised that I may be able to make a claim against the government. Women's Legal Services explained everything to me very clearly and I was aware of the process. I was happy with the advice that I received from them. I went through the litigation process because I believe the government needed to be held accountable for what happened to me at Bethcar. I also felt I deserved some compensation, and I also wanted to help ensure that the same did not happen to other little kids. I feel that I achieved what I wanted from the litigation. I remember that I received about $110,000 in compensation from the government. I don't recall Women's Legal Services advising me how much money I might get, but I was happy with the amount I was awarded. MS DEANE: May it please the Commission. THE CHAIR: Thank you. our thanks to [AIQ]. MR LLOYD: Mr Lloyd, could you also convey I shall, your Honour. I call Leonie Knight. Her statement is to be found behind tab 6 in volume 1 of the witness bundle. Ms Knight is happy for her name to be published. MR MENZIES: Your Honour, I notice that the last paragraph of that last statement was not read. Can we assume that it's taken as read? Paragraph 40. MR LLOYD: Perhaps I could just read it. Paragraph 40 of the statement of [AIQ], exhibit 19-6, is as follows: It was a difficult process in that I had to relive all those horrible memories again, but it was worthwhile. I would use Women's Legal Services again if I had to go through .22/10/2014 (96) 10104 [AIQ] (Ms Deane) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 a similar process. I found them to be very caring and they kept me fully informed of what was happening. I had a good relationship with them. THE CHAIR: Thank you. <LEONIE PATRICIA KNIGHT, sworn: [2.55pm] <EXAMINATION BY MR LLOYD: MR LLOYD: Q. Can you say your name, please? A. Leonie Knight. Q. A. You made a statement on 7 October 2014? Yes. Q. In that statement, you were telling the truth, weren't you? A. Yes. EXHIBIT #19-7 STATEMENT OF LEONIE PATRICIA KNIGHT DATED 7/10/2014 MR LLOYD: Q. You have Ms Kate Turner there next to you in the witness box. You are feeling nervous about reading your statement out; is that right? A. Yes. Q. But you're going to have a go at doing it. You know that if you have difficulties in continuing, you can ask Ms Turner to take over the process. Can I invite you to read your statement, please, Ms Knight? A. "This statement made by me accurately sets out the evidence that I am prepared to give to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. The statement is true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief. My full name is Leonie Patricia Knight. old. I was born on 8 March 1968 in Bourke. I am 46 years I have 14 siblings. Since about 2009, I have lived in Bourke. .22/10/2014 (96) 10105 I live with L P KNIGHT (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 my mother and two daughters. Dubbo. Prior to that, I lived in When I was about 13 years old, I was picked up by either the police or DoCS, I can't remember who, and taken to Bourke Children's Court where it was alleged that I was an uncontrollable child. That night I was locked up in Bourke gaol and my mother and father were not informed where I was until the next morning. The court sent me to a detention centre in Sydney, where I remained for one month. I returned to Bourke court and was ordered to reside at Bethcar Children's Home in Brewarrina, New South Wales, until I turned 18 years old. Bethcar was run by Bert Gordon and Edith Gordon, who were husband and wife. Edie Gordon was my father's niece or auntie, I'm unsure. I trusted them as they were family members. Not long after arriving at Bethcar, I came home from school one day, I went into my room and I lay on the bed. I remember that Bert forced the door open, he approached me as I was lying on the bed and he said words to the following effect, 'What is wrong?' I said, 'Nothing, get out.' I was lying face down on the bed. He put his hand under my body and felt my breasts. I told him to get out. He refused to leave. He took my clothes off and raped me. I tried to fight him off, but he was too big. I felt sick and dirty afterwards that I scrubbed myself in the shower. I have only told my sister a few years ago about it. I was physically abused by Edie, who would beat me with a jug cord if I disagreed with her or didn't do my house chores. She would also use a strap to beat me. Some time after the sexual abuse, I escaped from Bethcar and I went to my father's friend, Tom Winters, in Brewarrina who worked for Legal Aid. I stayed there for a couple of weeks. I did not return to Bethcar after that. My dad came and picked me up and I stayed with my dad after that. old. I left Bethcar permanently when I was about 17 years .22/10/2014 (96) 10106 L P KNIGHT (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Some time later, I returned to Bourke and I told my sister about the sexual abuse. She took me to the police station in Bourke to make a statement. I cannot remember if I made a statement or not. I do not recall any action being taken and I remember getting the sense that the police did not believe my story. I kept going to the police station and asking them if there was a court date or what was happening, but there were different police officers there each time and they didn't know much about it. I gave up following it up after a while. I thought there was no point in discussing the abuse any more or telling anyone else in a position of authority, because nobody ever did anything. After leaving Bethcar, I started using alcohol and heavy drugs. I have used marijuana, morphine and I have been on the methadone program. I have used alcohol and drugs to avoid reliving my time at Bethcar. Some time ago, I was in Sydney looking for heroin on the street and somebody gave me gyprock powder, which I injected, and I was extremely sick thereafter. I have had a bad hip ever since. I have been told that I have hepatitis C. I have attended rehabilitation for drug addiction. has helped somewhat. It When I was about 18 years old, I had my first child. Shortly after the birth of my first child, my father died. I feel that my life has been in absolute chaos ever since. I have had 10 children to several different partners. I was unable to look after my children and they have been cared for by various people, including relatives and DoCS. My eldest child is in gaol. My 11-year-old lives with my nephew. My 8-year-old son is still in foster care, and his sister, who is 5 years old, is also in foster care. I get to see them four times a year for two hours. Ever since my children were taken away from me, I feel like my life has been a life of crime. I was married for about seven years and I had two children with my now ex-husband. During that relationship, .22/10/2014 (96) 10107 L P KNIGHT (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 I was bashed every day when my ex-husband became drunk. I think he drank because two of his brothers had hung themselves and he felt guilty about their deaths. I do not think that my ex-husband liked the children that I had with other men. On one occasion, my ex-husband struck my sleeping 5-year-old son with a doorstopper, causing him a significant head injury. On another occasion, my ex-husband lifted my daughter up by the hair and dropped her heavily onto the ground. I recall he would regularly bash me in front of the children. In 2009, I was sexually assaulted by a person I thought was a friend of mine. By this stage, I had just given up and I did not have the mental or physical strength to report the assault to the police. I feel my problems in life are as a result of being abused sexually, physically and psychologically while at Bethcar. Since leaving Bethcar, my life has been an absolute blur and I do not care about what happens to me from day to day. I have only survived for my children and I have tried to look after them, but I feel guilty that I have failed in doing that too. I have accepted that life consists of sexual and physical abuse. I no longer care about anything. If any uncle or family relative hugs me or makes any physical advance, I get sick in the stomach because I trusted Bert, who was an uncle, yet he sexually assaulted me. All my adult life I have had problems dealing with people in authority and I do not trust them. I feel that they let me down when I needed them most. I have had anxiety attacks all throughout my life and for a long time I thought I suffered from asthma. At some stage, a doctor told me that I suffered from depression and prescribed tablets, but they did not help, either. I also suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder. I continue to have nightmares on a regular basis about what happened at Bethcar. When I am in angry or in a rage .22/10/2014 (96) 10108 L P KNIGHT (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 about Bethcar, I bang my head against the wall until I hurt. I often think about suicide, but I hang around for my children's sake. I hate talking about Bethcar and what went on there. I have had to speak about it to the various doctors or psychologists who have examined me. At each event, I have found it very upsetting and I have felt sick and anxious for days afterwards. I made no connection between my mental state and what had happened at Bethcar until I met with my solicitor at the Women's Legal Services in about 2008. Even when I went to the police to tell them what had happened originally in or about 1983, I still did not appreciate that my ongoing psychiatric condition was related to Bethcar, but I wanted the police to take action so that the offenders could be punished. After I reported the sexual abuse in 1983, I did not have any further contact with the police until I was contacted by Detective Freer, who informed me that there was going to be a court case in relation to Bert in about 2005. I understand that the planned court case did not go ahead because Bert had passed away. When Detective Freer contacted me in relation to Bert, he also told me about the criminal proceedings against Colin. I did not attend the court case of Colin. I have been told that Colin has been sent to gaol. In September 2005, my solicitors at Legal Aid in Dubbo prepared a victims compensation application on my behalf. I did not know that I could make an application for victims compensation prior to my solicitors informing me. My solicitors told me that my application was out of time and I would need to apply to have the time extended in order to allow me to file an application. In preparation for that application, I was examined by Marie Murphy, a psychologist, and she provided a report dated 6 July 2009. I told her what had gone on at Bethcar. In July 2011, I received $8,000 for the compensable .22/10/2014 (96) 10109 L P KNIGHT (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 injury of sexual assault. I can't remember how long the victims compensation process took. I didn't have much expectation of what I would get from that process. After I spoke to the police in about 1983, I do not recall any further action being taken and therefore I did not believe that I had any rights or capacity to do anything further with regards to the events that occurred at Bethcar. In about 2008, my solicitors at Women's Legal Services told me that I might be able to bring a claim against the government for the way the people failed to protect me at Bethcar. I am not sure what all of this was about, but I attended appointments and meetings with my lawyers. In preparation for the civil litigation, my solicitor at the Women's Legal Services sent me to be examined by Dr Jungfer and I saw her on 23 August 2010. I had to travel down from Bourke to Sydney, and I found this experience extremely stressful as I do not like being in lots of traffic and noise. I had a good experience with the Women's Legal Services. They were able to answer all my questions and explain to me how it was all going to work. I went into the litigation wanting DoCS to be punished and I wanted an apology from them. Money would have been helpful, too. The money I received from the litigation did not give me back what I lost and it didn't last very long, especially with such a large family. I'm glad that I went through the process. It was difficult re-telling my story over and over again, especially with the counsellors. I prefer to talk about my story with people who have been through the same thing. The process took a very long time and it would be better if it could have taken less time. There were times I wanted to pull out." MR LLOYD: THE CHAIR: MS ENGLAND: .22/10/2014 (96) That's it. Does anyone have any questions? No questions, your Honour. 10110 L P KNIGHT (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 MR MENZIES: No, thank you. THE CHAIR: Thank you for telling us your story. now excused. You are <THE WITNESS WITHDREW MR LLOYD: Your Honour, I call Janet Loughman. Her statement is found behind tab 7 in the witness bundle. <JANET LOUGHMAN, affirmed: [3.10pm] <EXAMINATION BY MR LLOYD: MR LLOYD: Q. What is your name? A. Janet Loughman. Q. You made a statement dated 3 October 2014? A. I did. May I be provided with a redacted copy of that statement? Q. Certainly. We will arrange for that to occur. that statement you were telling the truth? A. Yes. MR LLOYD: THE CHAIR: In I tender that statement and the annexures. They will be exhibit 19-8. EXHIBIT #19-8 STATEMENT OF JANET LOUGHMAN DATED 03/10/2014 AND ANNEXURES MR LLOYD: Q. Ms Loughman, could you just go, please, to paragraph 44 of your statement? A. Yes. Q. Is there some aspect of that paragraph that you wish to correct? A. There is. My recollection is that there were several occasions where comments were made about the model litigant rules, but on looking through the records yesterday I could not find more than two comments, so I'd feel more comfortable if that were changed to refer to "on two occasions". Q. Just so that I can understand the process, yesterday .22/10/2014 (96) 10111 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 you went back through your files -A. Yes. Q. -- to try and clarify whether your statement in general, but particularly in paragraph 44, was accurate? A. Yes. THE CHAIR: Q. Do you have a note of the response when that issue was raised? A. I'm not sure, your Honour. I'd have to check our file notes. Q. You are not looking at transcripts; you're just looking at your notes? A. I was looking at transcripts. Q. A. So we'd be able to find what the response was? Yes. THE CHAIR: MR LLOYD: You might do that, Mr Lloyd. Certainly, your Honour. Q. You don't happen to remember the dates? A. One was before Judge Curtis in the District Court in December 2012 and the other was before his Honour Judge Knox after the hearing of the notice of motion in relation to the joinder of the pleadings, and that was in about June 2009. Q. A. May or June 2009? May 2009. MR LLOYD: I can inform your Honour that both those transcripts are available and will come into evidence, I think. THE CHAIR: them? MR LLOYD: Yes. As soon as we have them, can we see Certainly. Q. Can I just take you back to paragraph 4 of your statement, please, Ms Loughman? A. Yes. Q. In that paragraph you say that the Women's Legal .22/10/2014 (96) 10112 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Services NSW is a State-wide community legal centre established to provide community legal services to women, particularly those disadvantaged in their access to justice. Can I ask you some questions about what happens to the legal fees which are incurred when the Women's Legal Services acts for those disadvantaged women. In a case such as the Bethcar litigation, it's right, is it, that the Women's Legal Services will record their time? A. Record our time as? Q. A. The time spent on the litigation? It's not formally recorded, no. Q. But there is some record so that a calculation can be made -A. Yes. Q. A. -- of what the costs will be. Yes. Q. The purpose of that is, obviously, in those cases where there is a costs order made in favour of your clients, there can be some calculation of the amount. A. Yes. Q. Is it the position that all of the solicitors, certainly from 2008 to 2013, who worked at the Women's Legal Services were salaried solicitors? A. Salaried solicitors or volunteers. Q. Were any of them on any sort of arrangement where there was any financial incentive based on fees which were recorded or billed in matters? A. Not at all. Q. Can I take you to paragraph 6, please. One of the things you say in that paragraph is that the Bethcar litigation was legally and logistically complex. Can I just ask you some questions about the logistical complexity for the moment. One aspect of the logistical complexity was that you obviously had a number of plaintiffs, 13 in total. Were those women all located in the one spot in terms of where they lived? A. No, they were located throughout New South Wales, some of them in remote parts of New South Wales. Q. We've heard evidence from some of those 13 women .22/10/2014 (96) 10113 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 already, but was it the case in your experience that many or most of them had limited education? A. Yes. Q. Was it difficult to explain the complexities of the litigation process and system? A. Yes, it was, and we took as much care as we could to explain things clearly and write our letters in plain language. Q. Was it necessary from time to time to have solicitors travel out to see them where they lived? A. Yes. Q. A. Did that occur? It did. Q. How did that work in terms of deploying the resources of the Women's Legal Services? A. The Women's Legal Services paid the cost of travel. The organisation is a company limited by guarantee. It has some small surplus reserves on occasions. The organisation decided to allocate some of those reserves to supporting disbursements in this litigation, so we had some resources to pay for the travel of solicitors to meet with our clients. Up until I think it was 2010 we were specially funded to provide services to Walgett and Bourke and Brewarrina. It's a federally-funded family violence prevention legal service. Q. What happened in 2010? A. The funding for those services was given to a different agency. THE CHAIR: Q. What were the criteria by which you could make a decision to act in litigation such as this litigation? A. Well, the decision is effectively the decision of the organisation and the decision ultimately of mine as its principal solicitor. So we have a reasonable amount of autonomy in relation to that. We have to make the decision based on our capacity. So acting in this matter was an unusual -Q. It's effectively Legal Aid for civil litigation which -A. It's a form of Legal Aid for civil litigation. .22/10/2014 (96) 10114 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Q. A. That's the effect of it. Yes. Q. And with, as I understand it, primarily government funds. A. Yes. Q. Which is unusual in the 21st century environment. Are there criteria which surround your capacity to effectively provide aid to plaintiffs to sue in a civil court? A. There are our own criteria that we have, and they include the priority areas of law that we focus on, which is domestic violence, family law, sexual assault. It includes the matter having reasonable prospects of success. It includes our capacity. It also - we also prioritise very disadvantaged clients. Q. So if I try to capture it, the plaintiffs would be people who, by your assessment, are disadvantaged. A. Yes. Q. Secondly, have a case with reasonable prospects of success -A. Yes. Q. -- founded upon violence or sexual assault. Would they be the criteria? A. Yes. There would possibly - yes, they would be the broad criteria that we would use, yes. Q. Have you provided assistance for many plaintiffs to sue in a civil court for damages? A. At Women's Legal Services? Q. A. Yes. No. Q. A. This would be a rare case? Yes. THE CHAIR: Thank you. MR LLOYD: Q. In paragraph 9 you say that you were significantly assisted by John Catsanos and Helen Wall of counsel? A. Yes. .22/10/2014 (96) 10115 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Q. Was it the case that Mr Catsanos was the lead counsel and Ms Wall was acting as his junior? A. Yes. Q. To engaged basis? A. It call it Q. A. your knowledge, were both Mr Catsanos and Ms Wall on what might be called a contingency or spec was a contingency or spec basis, but I would also pro bono, because they had no expectation of fees. Is that something they said to you? Yes. Q. Can I take you, please, to paragraph 27 of your statement. In that paragraph you make reference to "difficulties for the plaintiffs attending consultations with the medico-legal experts". A. Yes. Q. In this case, it was the position that the plaintiffs for whom you were acting attended at consultations with psychiatrists? A. Yes. Q. A. And other doctors as well? Psychologists probably. Q. What were the particular difficulties in relation to the plaintiffs attending those consultations? A. There were difficulties in that they needed to come to Sydney in order to see Dr Jungfer in particular. Coming to the big city was a difficult experience, not one that the plaintiffs - that was stressful for the plaintiffs. It was also an experience where they would be expected to speak of their experiences to the doctor. That would be stressful as well. Q. On that point, you were in the room, as I understand it, when Ms Amelia Moore gave evidence about her particular difficulties in recounting what had happened to her to Dr Jungfer. A. Yes. Q. Was that an experience that you were aware that other women in the group were also having difficulty with? A. I believe so. .22/10/2014 (96) 10116 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Q. And, similarly, Ms Knight gave evidence about difficulties in recounting the history to people who I think she said she didn't really know. A. Yes. Q. Again, was that a similar problem that, in your experience, other women in the group faced? A. Yes. Q. Was it easy to explain to the women the importance or reason why it was that they were required to go and see the doctors and the psychologists? A. It wasn't me personally who made that explanation to the plaintiffs. Solicitor Dianne Hamey was primarily involved in doing that. Q. Can I ask you some questions about paragraph 39. There you make reference to your counsel being hopeful about the prospect of mediation once proceedings were commenced? A. Yes. Q. A. You are referring there, I think, to Mr Catsanos? Yes. Q. What was it that he said? A. I recall quite a lengthy conference that Mr Catsanos and Helen Wall and myself had before the litigation started and I suppose I was talking about my experience of previous litigation of a similar nature and how it was protracted and lengthy and mediation didn't occur until well through the process. Mr Catsanos was of a hopeful view that, because of the nature of the experiences that the plaintiffs had suffered, that it was a matter that he hoped that the State would mediate early. Q. There is one thing I omitted to ask you in respect of the attendances at doctors and psychologists. It was the case, wasn't it, that the State arranged for some of the examinations by Dr Yvonne Skinner, psychiatrist, to occur in Dubbo to attempt to meet the convenience of some of the women? A. Yes. Q. Can I ask you about one matter that is not addressed in your statement. During the course of the litigation, .22/10/2014 (96) 10117 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 did the Crown Solicitor's Office adopt a particular system in relation to sending correspondence? A. Yes, correspondence was usually faxed as well as posted. Q. So that means you were getting two copies of everything? A. Yes. Q. A. Did you know why? No, and I wondered why. Q. Can I take you to paragraph 59, please. In that paragraph you give evidence about the experience of [AII] when a subpoena for production was issued on her employer. A. Yes. Q. [AII] was one of the 13 plaintiffs for whom you were acting and she dropped out of the litigation. A. Yes. Q. She dropped out on the basis that she was prepared to walk away with no order as to costs. A. Yes. Q. Was it the position that the fact that the subpoena was issued on her employer, having regard to your dealings with [AII], was a factor in her doing that? A. I didn't take the phone call from her directly, but I've referred to the file notes, which are quite detailed, and, yes, she expressed serious distress at her employment records being subpoenaed and she had been questioned about it by her employer. She was fearful of losing her job. She was very anxious about it. Q. On the basis that she thought that if her employer found out about the allegations in the case that her employer might sack her; was that the fear? A. I think that was expressed as her fear, yes. Q. Did you have a view about whether [AII]'s case was one of the stronger ones on liability? A. From recollection, her allegations were tested in the criminal court. Q. Just accept from me that there had been a plea of guilty by Mr Gibson for the purpose of answering the .22/10/2014 (96) 10118 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 question. A. Yes. Does that affect your answer? Q. When you say "yes", you would have regarded her case as being one of the stronger ones -A. In that respect, yes. Q. Ms Amelia Moore, did she have some family relationship with [AII]? A. They were sisters. Q. Was there a point where Ms Amelia Moore was considering also withdrawing from the litigation? A. Yes, she was. Q. Do you know why she was considering doing that? A. She was finding the process very stressful as well, and she'd recently gained employment and was also concerned about the impact on her job. The impact of a potential adverse costs order was an issue as well. Q. Can I take you to paragraph 91 of your statement, please. THE CHAIR: Mr Lloyd, before we get to paragraph 91, I think that those who have an interest in these proceedings but via the screen who have no knowledge of what is in the statement would be interested to have at least some summary view of what is said in relation to the progress of the litigation through the interlocutory stage, including what happened to the motion in relation to the Limitation Act and then the process in relation to the Crown's application. Her views about what is going on are in paragraphs 83 and 84. MR LLOYD: And that chronology starts at about paragraph 67. THE CHAIR: Take your own course, but I think that those watching and listening would like to know the essence of what is said there. MR LLOYD: Certainly. Q. Can I just take you back, Ms Loughman, to paragraph 67 of your statement. There you say that on about 9 February 2009 the plaintiffs filed a motion essentially seeking a .22/10/2014 (96) 10119 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 declaration that the limitation period was suspended, or if that was not the position, an extension of time to sue. A. Yes. Q. And the reason that that motion was filed was because an indication had been given in earlier correspondence by the Crown Solicitor's Office that a limitation defence was likely to be raised? A. Yes, that's the case. Q. And that motion in respect of the suspension of time and the Limitation Act, or the extension in the event that time was not suspended, came to be fixed for hearing on 20 February 2012? A. Yes. Q. About two or three weeks before that motion was fixed for hearing, do you remember that notice was given on behalf of the State that the State wanted to file its own notice of motion? A. Yes. Q. Could you tell the Commission your recollection or the summary of what is in your statement about what that motion that the State wanted to file was about? A. That was an application to permanently stay the proceedings. Q. The basis of that application, as you understood it, was that a fair trial was not possible. A. Yes. Q. Prior to that motion being filed, had the State filed and served some evidence from an investigator? A. Yes, from investigator Peter Maxwell. Q. There were two affidavits or statements served by Mr Maxwell prior to the events that I'm asking you about in February 2012, weren't there? A. Yes. Q. What did those affidavits deal with? A. The affidavits outlined the witnesses who were no longer available, either because they had died, or were incapacitated, had dementia. Q. To your recollection, did they deal with witnesses who .22/10/2014 (96) 10120 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 might be relevant and available? A. No. Q. After the State filed its motion, the matter came to be relisted before the court; do you remember that? A. Yes, I do. Q. And the application was made on behalf of the plaintiffs, was it not, to vacate the upcoming hearing date scheduled for 20 February 2012? A. Yes. Q. What was the reason why it was that an application was made to vacate that hearing date? A. The application was made because the plaintiffs weren't in a position to respond to that motion at such short notice. Q. Was there something in particular that you felt that the plaintiffs needed to do in terms of being prepared to deal with the State's motion for a permanent stay? A. Well, we were aware that one witness in particular was very likely to be available. We had spoken to Mr Terry Madden, and he was missing from Mr Maxwell's affidavit. Q. You were in the room during the opening this morning when reference was made to Mr Madden having authored a document from about March 1980 -A. Yes. Q. -- recounting his observation of some of the Bethcar girls and their complaints to police. A. Yes. He was a very significant witness, I believe. Q. So the hearing date was vacated by her Honour Judge Truss, and I think it is right to say the State was ordered to pay the costs? A. I believe that's the case, yes. Q. Did the Women's Legal Services then go off and obtain some evidence in response to Mr Maxwell's affidavits? A. Yes, we did. We undertook our own investigations over a period of about three months. Q. What did those investigations that you've just told the Commission about reveal? A. We identified through the documents a number of .22/10/2014 (96) 10121 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 potential witnesses and we undertook investigations to locate them and did locate, I think, 18 witnesses and took affidavits from some of them. Q. You then, on behalf of your clients, put on evidence disclosing what you had found in the nature of relevant witnesses, in your assessment, who were in fact available? A. Yes. Q. Do you recall whether Mr Maxwell put on any affidavit in response to that evidence? A. Yes, he put on an affidavit in response briefly outlining the witnesses that he had contacted. Q. Was the effect of that affidavit prepared by Mr Maxwell in response to confirm that he had in fact spoken to at least some of the witnesses that your people had been able to locate? A. Yes. THE CHAIR: Mr Lloyd, I would like to make sure we clearly understand what happened. As I presently understand it, the primary affidavit of Mr Maxwell was 17 May 2011. MR LLOYD: Yes, your Honour. THE CHAIR: And I think that's attached to Mr Coutts-Trotter's statement. MR LLOYD: It is. THE CHAIR: I would be grateful if Ms Loughman had a copy of that. We can bring it up on the screen, I think. MR LLOYD: Yes. It is tab 16 of the attachments or annexures to the statement of Mr Coutts-Trotter. It's located in volume 1 of the witness bundle, your Honour. THE CHAIR: Q. If we go through to paragraph 14, it seems that the methodology was to look at files and identify names. Then the names were broken up into categories, if you like, and then he gives evidence in relation to each person in the relevant category; is that right? A. Yes, that's right. Q. It's to the effect, "I've not been able to contact that person"; is that right? .22/10/2014 (96) 10122 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 A. Yes, that's right. Q. And the affidavit extends over multiple paragraphs dealing with quite a number of people that he says he's been unable to contact; is that right? A. That's right. Q. The affidavit in reply, as it were, as I understand it again, is the affidavit sworn on 20 September 2012; is that right? You won't know. THE CHAIR: Mr Lloyd? THE WITNESS: Yes. MR LLOYD: Quite so, but your Honour there is an earlier affidavit that was in chief of 3 August 2011. THE CHAIR: Another one of Mr Maxwell, is it? MR LLOYD: Yes. The three affidavits are all located behind tab 16 of Mr Coutts-Trotter's statement. It is not paginated, but if your Honour goes about -THE CHAIR: I have the one of 17 May. MR LLOYD: If your Honour goes 25 pages in, you'll see the first affidavit of 17 May is 23 pages long. Then -THE CHAIR: in chief? MR LLOYD: THE CHAIR: person." MR LLOYD: The one of 3 August, I see. So they are both Yes. They are to the same effect, "I can't find the Yes. THE CHAIR: Q. Then, as I understand it, at the moment, Ms Loughman, your office files an affidavit in response to that? A. Yes. Q. Is that right? able to find? A. Yes. .22/10/2014 (96) Identifying the people you've been 10123 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 THE CHAIR: We'll come back to that in a moment. Then Mr Maxwell replies to that affidavit; is that right? Is that the way it goes? MR LLOYD: Yes, your Honour. That is the one that your Honour referred to a moment ago of 20 September 2012. THE CHAIR: Q. He records there, as I understand it, his response to your affidavit, Ms Loughman, by saying that he has spoken to all of these people. A. Yes. Q. And it would seem that he spoke to some of them, by no means all of them, in 2010? A. I believe that's what the affidavit says. Q. And to some of them in 2011, although maybe not many in 2011, but certainly quite a number in 2012. A. Yes. Q. And certainly, as I presently understand it, but I ask you is this your understanding, all before the affidavit of 20 September? A. I'd have to check the document, but I believe that's the case. Q. We can check it. THE CHAIR: Mr Lloyd? It looks like it to me. Where is Ms Loughman's affidavit in reply, MR LLOYD: There are two, your Honour. The first is located at tab 110 in the tender bundle, which is in volume 2. That is an affidavit of Ms Loughman dated 23 May 2012. THE CHAIR: Yes, I see. MR LLOYD: There is another affidavit - they both deal with this issue, but there is an affidavit of Angela McClung of 23 May and that is at tab 111. THE CHAIR: Q. Before those affidavits were filed, Ms Loughman, had you communicated with the Crown Solicitor about the problems that you had with Mr Maxwell's original affidavit and the evidence he gave? .22/10/2014 (96) 10124 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 A. I don't believe so, but I'd need to refer to the records. I'm not -Q. I have the impression that these affidavits raised an issue of some significance obviously for you; is that right? A. Mr Maxwell's affidavits? Q. Yes. A. Yes. They were filed in relation to our notice of motion in relation to the Limitation Act and my understanding is that they were relevant to a discretionary issue around that question. When the defendant filed the notice of motion to strike out, they became the basis of the claim that we needed to meet more strongly. Q. A. That changed the whole process around? Yes. Q. Did you have any knowledge before you started to look as to whether or not you'd find people who were available? A. We knew we would find - or we believed we would find Terry Madden, because we had spoken to him before. I don't know that we had a particular view as to how many or who we would find. Q. A. Ultimately, how many did you find? We found 18 witnesses. Q. Who, as a general description, were people in what category? A. People who were supervising what was happening at Bethcar, so fairly important witnesses - we formed the view that they were important witnesses. Q. A. Supervising at the relevant time? Supervising at the relevant time. THE CHAIR: Yes, Mr Lloyd. MR LLOYD: Q. Just picking up something you told his Honour a moment ago in terms of the position being changed once the State filed the motion, that was, in essence, the submission made by Mr Catsanos to her Honour Judge Truss on 14 February in support of the application to vacate the upcoming hearing date. A. Yes. .22/10/2014 (96) 10125 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Q. And that was a submission, as I understand it, but please tell me if I'm wrong, that her Honour accepted? A. Yes. Q. So with that date of 20 February 2012 being vacated, is it the case that both notices of motion - the plaintiffs' and the State's - came on to be fixed for hearing in December of that year? A. December 2012, yes. Q. A. And that was before Judge Curtis? It was. Q. Can I just ask you, in terms of your understanding of the effect on Ms Kathleen Biles of the vacation of that 20 February date, did you have a view about that? A. It was very difficult for her. She was getting herself ready to come to Sydney and to give evidence and, yes, vacating that hearing date was very difficult for her. Q. When those motions came on for hearing before Judge Curtis in December 2012, Mr Maxwell was required for cross-examination by your side? A. Yes, he was. Q. A. And he was cross-examined by Mr Catsanos? Yes. Q. Was he asked some questions about whether he had managed to locate some of the witnesses who he had not referred to in his first two affidavits? A. Yes, he was. Q. Was he asked whether he had a record back in his office of all the people who he was able to locate? A. Yes, he was. Q. Was a call made by Mr Catsanos, on behalf of the plaintiffs, for the State and Mr Maxwell to produce the documents going to all the witnesses who he was able to find? A. Yes. Q. A. And what happened? When the call was made? .22/10/2014 (96) 10126 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Q. Yes. What was the State's response? A. The State's response ultimately was to claim legal professional privilege. Q. Did the motions, after proceeding for a number of days, get vacated so as to allow the parties to deal with the call for documents that was made? A. I'm not quite sure what you mean. Q. Take it from me that the motions were adjourned part heard; they weren't completed. A. For a short period, yes. Q. Tell me if this accords with your recollection: subpoena for production was issued -A. Yes. a Q. -- by the Women's Legal Services on the State after the motions were stood over part heard? A. Yes. Q. Seeking production of the documents that Mr Maxwell had, essentially going to the witnesses he had been able to locate? A. Yes, that's correct. Q. Do you remember what the State's attitude to that subpoena for production was? A. It was to claim legal professional privilege. Q. Was that issue ultimately ventilated before his Honour Judge Curtis? A. It was, and Judge Curtis found that there had been a waiver of that privilege. Q. A. And his Honour ordered production of the documents? He did. Q. What happened in relation to that order that his Honour made? A. My recollection is that Mr Cashion indicated that there would likely be an appeal lodged and an application to stay so that those documents wouldn't have to be produced. Q. Did it come to pass that the State sought leave to appeal and sought a stay of that order? .22/10/2014 (96) 10127 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 A. Yes, they did. Q. Then, ultimately, before that leave application was determined in about the end of 2013, the State agreed to go to mediation -A. Yes. Q. A. -- and the cases settled? Yes, that's correct. THE CHAIR: Q. At that point in time, who was the mover towards mediation - the plaintiffs or the defendant? A. The defendant. MR LLOYD: Q. Can I ask you some questions about paragraph 91, Ms Loughman, of your statement. In that paragraph you make reference to the State not having made any offers of settlement until the mediation, although they did seek to elicit an offer from the plaintiffs in 2011. A. Yes. Q. Could you tell the Commission about any difficulties that were associated with getting instructions on behalf of the 13 women for whom you acted to make an offer to resolve their cases? A. In 2011 we approached each of the plaintiffs to seek their views about making a modest offer of between $5,000 and $10,000 in excess of the victims compensation payments that they had received. Two of our solicitors travelled to where the clients - the plaintiffs - were in New South Wales to meet with them and to talk with them about that and to engage their views. Their views were that they didn't want to put such a settlement offer; they were more interested in having an apology, an acknowledgment of what had happened to them as well as an offer of monetary compensation. Q. Is it fair to say that, in your understanding at that time, the plaintiffs for whom you were acting had the position that they wanted some opportunity to get some acknowledgment by the department or the State? A. Yes, definitely. Q. And that merely making an offer conveyed in writing to the other side wasn't going to achieve that. A. No, that's right. .22/10/2014 (96) 10128 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Q. Was their position at that time, in your understanding, that essentially they wanted either to go to a mediation or run their cases to trial? A. Yes, that's the case. Q. Because those were the two opportunities - ie mediation or trial - where they felt that they had an opportunity to obtain the acknowledgment they were seeking? A. Yes. Q. Were there additional difficulties in terms of trying to get instructions to make an offer for the 13 plaintiffs that, short of making individual offers for each, there would have to be some consensus among the group? A. That was the approach that we recommended to each of the plaintiffs individually prior to the mediation. Q. Were there logistical difficulties associated with doing that? A. With? Q. With trying to get some consensus amongst the group and I'm talking about in the period before the mediation when they were all together - to make an offer? A. In the period leading up to the mediation we made many phone calls to the plaintiffs to talk about the process and to talk about the approach that we were recommending and we made phone calls to them to explain that approach and to seek their views on it. Q. Ms Loughman, can I ask you some questions about paragraph 43 of the statement of [AIH], exhibit 19-5? A. Sorry, where -Q. Let me just tell you what aspect of the evidence I want to ask you about. In that statement [AIH] says that she was not aware that she could make a claim for compensation against the State for what happened at Bethcar until she was informed by solicitors at the Women's Legal Services in 2003. A. Right. Q. To your knowledge, did the Women's Legal Services have anything to do with any of these ladies from Bethcar in 2003? A. It's quite possible that we did, yes. .22/10/2014 (96) 10129 J LOUGHMAN (Mr Lloyd) Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 Q. But you don't know about any advice that was given at that time? A. I would have to look at our records, but we were providing legal services State-wide at that time. MR MENZIES: Your Honour, for our part, if it's of any assistance, the reference to the Women's Legal Services in 2003 in paragraph 43 is a simple typographical error, because when one reads the statement in its context, she is only ever talking about a meeting in 2008, so we see nothing in that, if that's of any -MR LLOYD: That's helpful. I have of Ms Loughman. THE CHAIR: Those are the questions that Does anyone else have any questions? MS ENGLAND: No questions, your Honour. MR MENZIES: I do. THE CHAIR: How long will you be? MR MENZIES: A little while, your Honour. I can't do it in five minutes. Perhaps half an hour to an hour. THE CHAIR: Perhaps we should adjourn. today, Mr Lloyd? Anything else MR LLOYD: No, your Honour. I was trying to be in a position of either being able to tender or point out where the transcripts that Ms Loughman referred to are. I do have copies. I think that some of them are already located -THE CHAIR: If you can work it out, let us know as soon as possible, that would be useful. We will resume at 10 o'clock in the morning. 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10021:27 10AM [1] - 10130:41 11 [11] - 10028:10, 10032:46, 10035:15, 10035:40, 10044:34, 10080:46, 10087:15, 10089:28, 10089:39, 10090:6, 10101:35 11-year-old [1] - 10107:39 11.55am [1] - 10051:28 110 [1] - 10124:34 111 [1] - 10124:42 12 [17] - 10028:13, 10032:22, 10032:30, 10033:2, 10033:8, 10033:13, 10037:5, 10038:38, 10041:40, 10046:4, 10054:43, 10054:45, 10057:37, 10068:16, 10076:11, 10077:1, 10091:33 .22/10/2014 (96) 12-year-old [1] - 10076:45 13 [30] - 10028:24, 10032:9, 10032:42, 10033:2, 10034:13, 10034:32, 10034:36, 10034:44, 10034:45, 10035:2, 10045:22, 10046:30, 10046:34, 10047:24, 10047:32, 10048:2, 10058:4, 10058:41, 10059:31, 10062:5, 10062:7, 10063:6, 10068:40, 10097:34, 10106:4, 10113:42, 10113:47, 10118:18, 10128:24, 10129:12 13-year-old [1] - 10062:16 14 [11] - 10040:29, 10041:7, 10044:28, 10049:7, 10060:31, 10061:14, 10063:6, 10069:36, 10105:45, 10122:39, 10125:45 15 [18] - 10023:28, 10023:35, 10026:5, 10026:14, 10031:19, 10034:31, 10035:17, 10043:18, 10044:17, 10046:5, 10047:10, 10047:43, 10054:20, 10055:4, 10062:2, 10062:17, 10074:6, 10100:43 16 [12] - 10026:31, 10027:18, 10030:43, 10036:46, 10044:38, 10045:23, 10075:33, 10076:5, 10081:16, 10100:44, 10122:35, 10123:22 16th [1] - 10074:28 17 [10] - 10021:21, 10030:47, 10042:9, 10048:13, 10075:33, 10093:45, 10106:45, 10122:23, 10123:25, 10123:28 18 [10] - 10033:9, 10034:20, 10073:8, 10084:39, 10093:10, 10102:43, 10106:13, 10107:32, 10122:2, 10125:28 18-year-old [1] - 10065:23 18/09/2014 [4] - 10073:21, 10080:20, 10089:2, 10097:9 19 [2] - 10021:17, 10033:6 19-1 [2] - 10049:34, 10049:36 19-2 [2] - 10052:7, 10052:9 19-3 [2] - 10073:18, 10073:20 19-4 [2] - 10080:17, 10080:19 19-5 [3] - 10088:47, 10089:2, 10129:32 19-6 [3] - 10097:7, 10097:9, 10104:42 19-7 [1] - 10105:22 19-8 [2] - 10111:29, 10111:31 19-year-old [1] - 10065:22 1967 [1] - 10089:17 1968 [2] - 10080:37, 10105:42 1969 [2] - 10022:46, 10024:19 1970 [1] - 10073:41 1970s [1] - 10032:16 1971 [2] - 10053:29, 10053:32 1972 [2] - 10053:29, 10097:25 1973 [1] - 10024:27 1974 [6] - 10022:47, 10024:28, 10024:31, 10024:36, 10025:2, 10054:15 1975 [2] - 10024:46, 10025:2 1976 [6] - 10025:6, 10025:15, 10025:30, 10032:41, 10032:47, 10074:3 1977 [2] - 10025:30, 10032:47 1978 [4] - 10025:31, 10025:32, 10025:34, 10032:45 1979 [1] - 10032:43 1980 [10] - 10025:37, 10029:3, 10029:7, 10029:16, 10030:13, 10030:15, 10032:43, 10033:2, 10039:11, 10121:28 1980s [1] - 10032:16 1983 [10] - 10028:30, 10029:5, 10030:24, 10030:43, 10030:47, 10032:41, 10040:3, 10109:17, 10109:22, 10110:7 1984 [7] - 10022:47, 10029:5, 10031:16, 10031:21, 10031:36, 10031:39, 10084:10 1987 [1] - 10032:1 1989 [2] - 10022:46, 10031:40 1991 [1] - 10101:38 1992 [1] - 10032:9 1999 [2] - 10031:46, 10093:18 19th [1] - 10022:37 1pm [1] - 10072:11 2 2 [8] - 10026:4, 10027:40, 1 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 10036:33, 10045:34, 10072:4, 10072:29, 10073:15, 10124:35 2.55pm [1] - 10105:8 20 [15] - 10033:29, 10044:12, 10044:21, 10047:2, 10053:29, 10063:43, 10075:34, 10087:13, 10120:14, 10121:10, 10123:9, 10124:7, 10124:24, 10126:6, 10126:17 2000 [1] - 10063:47 2001 [5] - 10032:5, 10069:47, 10085:35, 10095:13, 10102:14 2002 [5] - 10032:14, 10032:22, 10032:30, 10069:47, 10095:20 2003 [6] - 10085:17, 10094:41, 10095:34, 10129:40, 10129:45, 10130:8 2005 [4] - 10064:16, 10064:23, 10109:26, 10109:36 2006 [4] - 10033:4, 10033:26, 10066:8, 10094:16 2007 [6] - 10033:6, 10033:13, 10078:12, 10101:11, 10102:21, 10103:33 2008 [21] - 10023:29, 10033:29, 10033:47, 10034:13, 10034:20, 10034:31, 10035:7, 10035:9, 10035:15, 10035:21, 10035:27, 10066:9, 10078:28, 10078:35, 10087:5, 10095:42, 10096:6, 10109:15, 10110:13, 10113:27, 10130:10 2009 [28] - 10035:32, 10035:40, 10035:45, 10036:3, 10036:7, 10036:21, 10036:26, 10036:31, 10036:33, 10036:38, 10036:46, 10037:3, 10037:5, 10037:32, 10037:44, 10038:5, 10038:33, 10038:41, 10077:19, 10085:47, 10102:28, 10105:47, 10108:13, 10109:45, 10112:29, 10112:31, 10112:32, 10119:47 2010 [17] - 10039:4, 10039:7, 10039:16, 10039:31, 10039:41, 10039:47, 10040:9, 10040:37, 10041:1, 10041:7, 10041:16, 10076:44, 10086:27, 10110:21, 10114:26, 10114:31, 10124:15 2011 [19] - 10041:29, 10041:40, 10042:9, 10042:16, 10042:19, 10042:38, 10043:3, 10043:14, 10043:28, 10043:46, 10044:9, 10078:18, 10109:47, 10122:23, 10123:17, 10124:18, 10124:19, 10128:19, 10128:26 2012 [33] - 10044:12, 10044:14, 10044:21, 10044:23, 10044:28, 10044:34, 10044:38, 10044:44, 10045:7, 10045:16, 10045:22, 10045:23, 10045:28, 10045:34, 10045:37, 10045:42, 10046:4, 10046:5, 10046:26, 10046:30, 10046:34, 10047:3, 10112:26, 10120:14, 10120:39, 10121:10, 10123:9, 10124:7, 10124:19, 10124:36, 10126:6, 10126:10, 10126:23 2013 [14] - 10023:30, 10047:10, 10047:25, 10047:32, 10047:40, 10047:44, 10047:47, 10048:2, 10048:11, 10048:13, 10068:38, 10078:43, 10113:27, 10128:4 2014 [8] - 10021:27, 10051:41, 10052:10, 10053:40, 10073:8, 10105:15, 10111:19, 10130:41 21 [3] - 10025:6, 10039:30, 10069:33 21-year-old [1] - 10065:22 21st [1] - 10115:9 22 [5] - 10021:27, 10035:21, 10039:41, 10041:16, 10045:28 23 [9] - 10035:27, 10036:7, 10036:26, 10086:27, 10110:21, 10123:28, 10124:35, 10124:42, 10130:41 23-year-old [1] - 10065:21 24 [1] - 10025:21 25 [5] - 10040:37, 10044:44, 10045:37, 10080:37, 10123:27 25-year [1] - 10025:32 25-year-old [1] - 10065:21 26 [2] - 10039:4, 10042:38 27 [3] - 10036:47, 10037:44, 10116:15 28 [2] - 10030:24, 10045:7 29 [4] - 10025:34, 10036:18, 10036:21, 10039:7 2pm [1] - 10073:1 3 3 [14] - 10027:37, 10027:40, 10038:18, 10038:41, 10041:29, 10043:3, 10047:15, 10066:11, 10080:6, 10083:3, 10100:45, 10111:19, 10123:17, 10123:30 3.10pm [1] - 10111:12 3.55PM [1] - 10130:40 30 [1] - 10039:47 30s [1] - 10028:3 31 [1] - 10078:12 32 [4] - 10025:16, 10025:29, 10098:9, 10102:46 35 [1] - 10102:43 39 [1] - 10117:18 4 4 [9] - 10024:46, 10037:3, 10043:14, 10043:28, 10043:46, 10083:3, 10088:42, 10100:45, 10112:43 4.4 [1] - 10045:11 40 [2] - 10104:39, 10104:41 42 [1] - 10097:26 43 [2] - 10129:32, 10130:8 44 [2] - 10111:35, 10112:5 45 [1] - 10073:42 46 [2] - 10089:17, 10105:42 5 68 [1] - 10052:25 69 [1] - 10052:20 6am [1] - 10059:45 6D(3 [1] - 10022:30 7 7 [8] - 10025:15, 10027:38, 10030:36, 10032:44, 10032:47, 10035:7, 10105:15, 10111:10 7/10/2014 [1] - 10105:23 70" [1] - 10039:38 8 8 [9] - 10027:38, 10030:12, 10032:5, 10035:45, 10036:38, 10074:33, 10081:13, 10097:33, 10105:42 8-year-old [1] - 10107:40 83 [1] - 10119:34 84 [1] - 10119:34 9 9 [12] - 10031:16, 10032:9, 10032:44, 10035:32, 10042:16, 10047:40, 10065:11, 10074:6, 10074:16, 10098:5, 10115:44, 10119:46 91 [3] - 10119:22, 10119:25, 10128:16 96 [1] - 10021:18 9am [1] - 10077:21 A 5 [13] - 10026:8, 10027:42, 10029:7, 10029:16, 10030:15, 10032:41, 10042:19, 10044:9, 10045:16, 10045:42, 10081:13, 10097:1, 10107:41 5-year-old [1] - 10108:7 50 [1] - 10074:37 52 [1] - 10035:35 59 [1] - 10118:13 6 6 [15] - 10026:31, 10027:18, 10032:47, 10040:9, 10044:23, 10048:10, 10073:42, 10073:44, 10074:4, 10074:46, 10075:22, 10080:45, 10104:34, 10109:44, 10113:36 67 [2] - 10119:37, 10119:45 .22/10/2014 (96) aback [1] - 10040:4 ability [1] - 10103:7 able [17] - 10042:11, 10046:16, 10046:22, 10088:1, 10093:21, 10093:38, 10104:3, 10110:14, 10110:27, 10112:17, 10122:18, 10122:46, 10123:46, 10126:36, 10126:41, 10127:23, 10130:31 Aboriginal [17] 10022:44, 10024:22, 10024:23, 10024:25, 10024:32, 10025:5, 10025:9, 10025:12, 10031:30, 10043:9, 10043:39, 10082:47, 10083:1, 10083:18, 10084:33, 10090:19, 10098:3 absence [1] - 10031:25 absent [1] - 10081:19 absolute [3] - 10091:25, 10107:34, 10108:22 absolutely [2] - 10077:16, 10086:36 Abuse [6] - 10053:25, 10073:33, 10080:31, 10089:11, 10097:16, 10105:36 abuse [98] - 10022:38, 10023:19, 10023:21, 10026:1, 10026:7, 10026:9, 10026:13, 10026:19, 10026:24, 10026:32, 10026:35, 10026:38, 10027:13, 10027:39, 10027:41, 10028:2, 10028:12, 10028:19, 10028:28, 10028:31, 10028:39, 10029:2, 10029:4, 10030:27, 10030:34, 10030:40, 10032:17, 10032:35, 10032:36, 10034:8, 10039:12, 10039:20, 10039:26, 10039:27, 10040:34, 10041:34, 10048:38, 10050:26, 10050:43, 10051:3, 10051:6, 10051:11, 10051:15, 10051:20, 10055:3, 10055:43, 10063:3, 10064:5, 10064:9, 10064:10, 10064:17, 10064:34, 10066:3, 10066:32, 10066:39, 10067:22, 10068:8, 10069:18, 10070:3, 10070:15, 10070:21, 10070:44, 10071:2, 10071:18, 10071:19, 10074:34, 10083:6, 10086:3, 10088:12, 10088:23, 10093:34, 10094:26, 10094:30, 10096:17, 10099:4, 10100:16, 10100:32, 10100:40, 10100:47, 10101:2, 10101:10, 10102:15, 10102:22, 10102:24, 10102:29, 10102:31, 10103:7, 10103:21, 10103:34, 10103:35, 10103:37, 10103:46, 10106:38, 10107:2, 10107:13, 10108:29, 10109:22 ABUSE [1] - 10021:13 abused [25] - 10026:41, 10027:21, 10034:3, 10041:4, 10055:2, 10068:45, 10069:34, 10069:45, 10070:35, 10074:21, 10074:24, 10075:46, 10077:46, 10077:47, 10079:18, 10083:24, 10083:32, 10085:37, 10093:6, 10094:38, 10100:36, 2 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 10101:30, 10102:42, 10106:34, 10108:19 abusing [3] - 10074:30, 10078:31, 10100:42 abusive [5] - 10071:15, 10077:17, 10083:17, 10094:15, 10101:3 accept [9] - 10037:40, 10043:19, 10044:42, 10044:45, 10045:17, 10069:6, 10086:5, 10094:29, 10118:46 acceptable [1] - 10080:14 accepted [4] - 10039:9, 10044:39, 10108:28, 10126:3 accepting [1] - 10045:40 access [3] - 10034:42, 10070:10, 10113:3 accident [2] - 10053:40, 10069:31 accommodated [1] 10025:25 accommodation [1] 10087:41 accordance [2] - 10024:2, 10024:42 accords [1] - 10127:14 account [4] - 10040:17, 10051:18, 10062:23, 10062:27 accountable [2] 10088:30, 10104:13 accurate [2] - 10096:16, 10112:5 accurately [6] - 10053:22, 10073:31, 10080:28, 10089:8, 10097:13, 10105:34 achieve [1] - 10128:45 achieved [1] - 10104:17 acknowledge [2] 10050:24, 10088:13 acknowledged [2] 10044:5, 10088:12 acknowledges [3] 10050:16, 10050:28, 10051:1 acknowledgment [6] 10041:45, 10043:11, 10043:36, 10128:34, 10128:41, 10129:8 act [2] - 10034:7, 10114:36 Act [9] - 10022:30, 10024:43, 10025:16, 10025:35, 10035:36, 10035:37, 10119:32, 10120:12, 10125:11 acted [1] - 10128:24 acting [9] - 10030:44, 10031:22, 10034:10, 10045:8, 10114:42, 10116:3, 10116:22, 10118:19, 10128:39 action [17] - 10028:32, 10029:38, 10030:19, 10031:13, 10031:26, 10031:27, 10031:32, 10034:26, 10034:44, 10037:16, 10039:10, 10040:6, 10066:21, 10083:13, 10107:4, 10109:19, 10110:8 actions [3] - 10034:5, 10035:19, 10035:46 active [1] - 10048:17 acts [1] - 10113:6 add [1] - 10040:45 addiction [1] - 10107:29 addition [1] - 10024:47 additional [1] - 10129:11 address [3] - 10025:41, 10028:44, 10031:42 addressed [1] - 10117:46 adequate [2] - 10025:22, 10025:27 adequately [1] - 10047:29 adjourn [2] - 10072:31, 10130:27 adjourned [1] - 10127:10 ADJOURNED [1] 10130:40 adjournment [3] 10049:24, 10072:19, 10072:29 ADJOURNMENT [2] 10049:28, 10072:41 administering [1] 10062:12 administrative [1] 10049:47 admission [1] - 10039:23 admissions [1] - 10035:30 admit [2] - 10035:25, 10039:18 admitted [3] - 10023:11, 10039:28, 10085:17 adopt [3] - 10030:20, 10042:12, 10118:1 adopted [1] - 10022:47 adult [5] - 10077:33, 10084:5, 10087:17, 10101:9, 10108:36 adulthood [1] - 10071:15 adults [6] - 10026:47, 10057:38, 10075:19, 10077:9, 10094:8, 10100:24 advance [1] - 10108:32 advantage [1] - 10094:9 adverse [1] - 10119:20 advice [17] - 10044:37, 10044:41, 10044:44, 10045:32, 10045:38, 10046:39, 10046:45, 10047:11, 10047:12, 10047:25, 10047:41, 10048:3, 10096:28, 10096:29, 10104:8, 10130:1 advised [7] - 10030:4, 10040:38, 10042:30, 10046:36, 10047:12, 10103:43, 10104:2 advisers [1] - 10038:46 advising [1] - 10104:23 Affairs [2] - 10024:22, 10025:38 affect [1] - 10119:1 affected [4] - 10069:31, 10070:3, 10070:11, 10103:7 affecting [1] - 10078:32 affidavit [22] - 10042:8, 10042:10, 10121:24, 10122:10, 10122:12, 10122:15, 10122:23, 10123:3, 10123:8, 10123:9, 10123:17, 10123:28, 10123:41, 10124:3, 10124:10, 10124:16, 10124:23, 10124:30, 10124:35, 10124:40, 10124:41, 10124:47 affidavits [11] - 10046:16, 10120:37, 10120:42, 10120:43, 10121:41, 10122:3, 10123:21, 10124:44, 10125:4, 10125:7, 10126:32 affirm [1] - 10049:44 affirmed [2] - 10051:28, 10111:12 afraid [3] - 10026:34, 10052:45, 10092:23 afternoon [1] - 10081:45 afterwards [4] - 10075:30, 10091:28, 10106:30, 10109:11 age [13] - 10025:25, 10026:3, 10026:5, 10027:37, 10027:38, 10028:24, 10040:29, 10054:20, 10055:4, 10080:45, 10080:46, 10089:18, 10097:39 aged [10] - 10030:36, 10032:9, 10032:41, 10032:44, 10032:45, 10032:47, 10033:2, 10073:42, 10081:12, 10085:14 agency [2] - 10057:41, 10114:33 ages [2] - 10026:31, 10027:18 agitated [1] - 10079:7 ago [8] - 10070:8, 10076:36, 10085:29, 10087:19, 10106:32, 10107:22, 10124:7, 10125:42 agoraphobia [1] 10065:26 agree [5] - 10038:24, 10043:16, 10043:29, 10080:12, 10086:11 agreed [5] - 10023:41, 10023:46, 10037:13, .22/10/2014 (96) 10069:10, 10128:4 agreement [4] - 10052:29, 10052:35, 10052:40, 10069:14 ahead [1] - 10109:29 AIC [1] - 10072:14 Aid [4] - 10106:40, 10109:36, 10114:45, 10114:47 aid [1] - 10115:11 AIE [7] - 10032:34, 10032:43, 10033:15, 10033:19, 10034:46, 10075:24, 10081:38 AIE] [1] - 10098:23 AIF [1] - 10081:39 AIF] [1] - 10035:1 AIG [2] - 10034:46, 10098:23 AIG] [2] - 10081:38, 10099:34 AIH [17] - 10028:9, 10028:19, 10032:35, 10033:1, 10033:15, 10033:18, 10034:47, 10041:33, 10041:36, 10049:9, 10081:38, 10088:40, 10088:43, 10089:2, 10096:40, 10129:32, 10129:36 AIH] [3] - 10041:31, 10088:45, 10089:15 AII [15] - 10032:34, 10032:45, 10033:13, 10034:46, 10039:17, 10044:35, 10062:6, 10062:8, 10063:9, 10063:16, 10068:40, 10118:14, 10118:18, 10118:28, 10119:9 AII] [2] - 10039:27, 10090:39 AII]'s [4] - 10044:42, 10044:45, 10045:17, 10118:41 AIJ] [1] - 10053:3 AIL [34] - 10033:47, 10034:10, 10034:34, 10035:9, 10035:41, 10048:20, 10053:37, 10053:38, 10053:43, 10054:7, 10054:16, 10055:8, 10058:7, 10058:8, 10058:10, 10058:13, 10058:18, 10058:20, 10058:23, 10058:25, 10058:28, 10058:37, 10058:42, 10058:43, 10058:46, 10059:6, 10059:17, 10059:20, 10063:32, 10064:12, 10069:32, 10069:41, 10081:39, 10099:34 AIL] [3] - 10056:17, 10058:36, 10070:22 AIL]'s [1] - 10034:22 AIN [1] - 10034:47 AIO [5] - 10032:35, 10032:46, 10033:8, 10034:46, 10039:26 AIO] [4] - 10033:7, 10039:24, 10098:18, 10098:21 AIQ [8] - 10027:36, 10027:45, 10028:6, 10034:47, 10049:9, 10096:45, 10097:9, 10104:42 AIQ] [2] - 10097:25, 10104:29 AIS [3] - 10034:47, 10063:32, 10063:37 AIS] [1] - 10081:40 AIT [20] - 10022:47, 10054:35, 10054:37, 10054:42, 10056:34, 10081:20, 10081:25, 10082:17, 10082:27, 10082:30, 10082:36, 10084:27, 10090:14, 10090:15, 10091:46, 10092:3, 10098:14, 10098:15, 10099:13, 10101:5 AIT] [1] - 10098:17 AIT]'s [2] - 10059:27, 10082:19 alcohol [21] - 10028:40, 10054:43, 10059:1, 10069:25, 10076:8, 10076:18, 10076:39, 10077:35, 10078:39, 10079:4, 10085:11, 10085:15, 10085:18, 10085:22, 10093:28, 10093:34, 10102:42, 10103:11, 10103:30, 10107:17, 10107:19 alcoholic [5] - 10027:20, 10058:47, 10070:5, 10081:10, 10102:9 alcoholics [1] - 10057:20 alight [1] - 10070:29 allegation [2] - 10032:17, 10039:18 allegations [22] 10022:38, 10022:41, 10029:13, 10029:22, 10030:26, 10030:29, 10030:40, 10030:47, 10031:7, 10031:24, 10033:4, 10033:7, 10034:2, 10034:33, 10034:34, 10035:25, 10039:25, 10039:27, 10040:11, 10042:35, 10118:37, 10118:43 allegations" [1] 10041:14 allege [2] - 10041:24, 10043:43 alleged [3] - 10030:33, 10040:28, 10106:6 3 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation alleges [1] - 10077:27 Allison [8] - 10022:18, 10034:18, 10039:4, 10045:22, 10046:1, 10047:32, 10048:23, 10049:11 allocate [1] - 10114:23 allocated [3] - 10034:15, 10035:3, 10075:3 allow [2] - 10109:42, 10127:6 allowance [1] - 10062:19 allowed [6] - 10048:6, 10052:30, 10059:1, 10065:12, 10069:15 almost [2] - 10028:29, 10070:5 alone [2] - 10037:12, 10068:9 alongside [1] - 10059:47 alternative [4] - 10035:37, 10038:26, 10047:26, 10072:18 AM [2] - 10021:33, 10021:34 amalgamate [1] 10035:19 Amanda [1] - 10032:6 AMELIA [1] - 10080:19 Amelia [14] - 10027:17, 10027:32, 10029:19, 10031:17, 10034:47, 10039:14, 10049:8, 10080:6, 10080:35, 10088:44, 10090:38, 10116:40, 10119:8, 10119:12 amount [8] - 10037:12, 10041:46, 10048:41, 10049:4, 10069:10, 10104:24, 10113:23, 10114:40 amphetamines [1] 10102:44 AND [1] - 10111:32 Andrew [1] - 10049:14 Angela [1] - 10124:41 anger [1] - 10088:22 angry [6] - 10066:35, 10067:34, 10093:2, 10093:3, 10101:2, 10108:47 ankles [1] - 10056:7 Anne [3] - 10030:45, 10075:27, 10075:30 annexed [1] - 10050:1 annexures [2] - 10111:27, 10122:36 ANNEXURES [1] 10111:32 answer [3] - 10087:45, 10110:27, 10119:1 answered [1] - 10029:32 answering [1] - 10118:47 answers [1] - 10079:22 anticipated [14] 10023:16, 10023:43, 10025:41, 10025:45, 10026:2, 10026:30, 10027:17, 10027:36, 10028:9, 10028:23, 10030:8, 10039:3, 10048:23, 10049:7 antidepressants [1] 10071:10 anxiety [4] - 10077:12, 10077:35, 10103:22, 10108:40 anxious [2] - 10109:10, 10118:34 anyway [3] - 10057:1, 10057:10, 10064:27 apartment [2] - 10063:14, 10063:43 apologising [1] - 10042:3 apology [16] - 10023:43, 10041:47, 10042:27, 10042:31, 10042:36, 10048:14, 10068:41, 10068:43, 10078:44, 10078:46, 10079:24, 10079:26, 10088:10, 10088:15, 10110:30, 10128:34 Appeal [4] - 10044:19, 10046:47, 10047:47, 10078:19 appeal [6] - 10046:47, 10047:2, 10054:16, 10068:23, 10127:42, 10127:47 appealing [1] - 10054:6 appeals [1] - 10078:17 appear [6] - 10022:1, 10022:6, 10022:12, 10022:21, 10030:16, 10041:41 appearances [1] 10022:4 appeared [4] - 10029:33, 10030:15, 10030:36, 10060:11 appearing [1] - 10039:33 apple [1] - 10062:34 application [19] 10044:16, 10044:20, 10046:47, 10066:10, 10102:21, 10109:37, 10109:38, 10109:40, 10109:42, 10109:43, 10119:33, 10120:26, 10120:29, 10121:8, 10121:13, 10121:15, 10125:45, 10127:42, 10128:3 application" [1] - 10044:7 applications [3] 10023:30, 10044:7, 10044:47 applied [2] - 10024:27, 10048:37 apply [2] - 10066:2, 10109:41 appointed [1] - 10048:14 appointments [2] 10062:14, 10110:17 appreciate [3] - 10038:45, 10094:2, 10109:17 appreciated [1] 10078:36 apprehended [1] 10085:1 apprehensive [1] 10030:13 approach [4] - 10047:37, 10129:15, 10129:27, 10129:28 approached [5] 10028:16, 10077:26, 10099:9, 10106:22, 10128:26 approaches [1] 10051:14 approaching [2] 10024:23, 10091:20 appropriate [4] 10031:36, 10036:41, 10044:3, 10045:30 appropriateness [1] 10050:42 approval [3] - 10025:17, 10025:23, 10031:38 approved [1] - 10024:46 April [5] - 10031:16, 10031:21, 10033:6, 10033:13, 10047:10 Arblaster [7] - 10036:19, 10040:37, 10041:8, 10042:39, 10043:15, 10044:14, 10044:43 area [1] - 10077:22 area" [1] - 10031:30 areas [1] - 10115:13 argument [1] - 10060:35 arise [1] - 10072:7 arm [7] - 10026:37, 10059:47, 10060:1, 10060:3, 10060:4, 10074:32 arms [1] - 10059:38 arose [1] - 10046:12 arrange [1] - 10111:23 arranged [2] - 10047:42, 10117:40 arrangement [2] 10060:23, 10113:31 arrangements [1] 10040:4 arrived [9] - 10044:4, 10059:22, 10063:33, 10069:41, 10069:43, 10081:12, 10082:27, 10082:38, 10092:14 arriving [2] - 10028:29, 10106:20 ascertain [1] - 10029:45 ashamed [2] - 10067:32, 10070:4 aside [2] - 10046:23, 10046:31 asleep [1] - 10059:47 .22/10/2014 (96) aspect [4] - 10041:13, 10111:38, 10113:40, 10129:35 aspects [1] - 10026:28 assault [20] - 10027:46, 10032:31, 10032:40, 10032:42, 10032:44, 10032:46, 10033:1, 10050:25, 10051:17, 10055:47, 10066:12, 10074:45, 10075:23, 10077:22, 10094:42, 10108:16, 10110:1, 10115:14, 10115:27 assaulted [9] - 10032:11, 10074:36, 10074:39, 10076:29, 10076:46, 10095:18, 10100:8, 10108:13, 10108:33 assaults [7] - 10026:44, 10031:47, 10042:4, 10074:38, 10075:16, 10095:37, 10100:21 asserted [1] - 10036:8 assess [2] - 10040:44, 10048:27 assessment [4] - 10048:4, 10048:5, 10115:20, 10122:7 assessments [1] 10079:3 Assistance [1] - 10066:4 assistance [3] - 10059:26, 10115:32, 10130:7 assistant [1] - 10034:13 assisted [1] - 10115:45 Assisting [1] - 10021:39 assisting [2] - 10022:2, 10024:30 associated [3] - 10051:10, 10128:23, 10129:18 assume [1] - 10104:39 assumed [1] - 10045:47 asthma [1] - 10108:41 AT [2] - 10130:40, 10130:41 at-risk [1] - 10031:9 attached [1] - 10122:27 attachments [1] 10122:35 attacks [3] - 10077:12, 10082:14, 10108:40 attempt [3] - 10043:21, 10043:32, 10117:42 attempted [1] - 10077:22 attempting [1] - 10036:8 attempts [2] - 10036:36, 10093:44 attend [6] - 10028:18, 10029:9, 10047:7, 10079:11, 10086:17, 10109:33 attendances [1] 10117:39 attended [15] - 10024:39, 10030:14, 10040:36, 10068:38, 10074:15, 10076:18, 10081:43, 10084:16, 10091:28, 10092:38, 10093:34, 10101:32, 10107:29, 10110:17, 10116:22 attending [2] - 10116:17, 10116:30 attention [1] - 10029:5 attitude [2] - 10036:35, 10127:27 August [18] - 10035:7, 10040:37, 10042:19, 10043:3, 10043:14, 10043:28, 10043:46, 10044:9, 10045:22, 10045:23, 10045:28, 10048:2, 10053:29, 10085:47, 10086:27, 10110:21, 10123:17, 10123:30 auntie [2] - 10091:35, 10106:17 Auntie [1] - 10058:16 auntie's [2] - 10089:37, 10090:1 aunties [1] - 10090:40 author [1] - 10032:23 authored [1] - 10121:27 authority [5] - 10077:7, 10077:9, 10077:10, 10107:14, 10108:37 autonomy [1] - 10114:41 available [8] - 10024:14, 10031:10, 10112:35, 10120:44, 10121:1, 10121:23, 10122:7, 10125:21 avenues [1] - 10024:14 average [1] - 10026:41 avoid [5] - 10036:8, 10062:40, 10074:17, 10086:39, 10107:20 avoiding [1] - 10103:11 await [2] - 10029:36, 10038:31 award [6] - 10025:37, 10049:4, 10078:18, 10078:20, 10078:44, 10079:28 awarded [7] - 10048:41, 10048:46, 10066:11, 10076:2, 10078:11, 10102:28, 10104:24 aware [12] - 10028:45, 10029:2, 10039:10, 10054:5, 10074:1, 10082:8, 10085:24, 10097:32, 10104:7, 10116:45, 10121:22, 10129:37 B baby [2] - 10070:24, 10075:24 background [1] - 10086:4 backhanded [1] - 4 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 10060:36 bad [7] - 10063:3, 10067:34, 10070:15, 10070:28, 10078:23, 10085:31, 10107:25 badly [2] - 10075:18, 10079:16 bags [1] - 10062:11 banana [1] - 10077:25 bang [1] - 10109:1 banged [2] - 10060:43, 10063:43 bank [1] - 10062:29 Bar [1] - 10080:12 bare [1] - 10098:29 barely [1] - 10093:25 barrister [5] - 10036:19, 10042:39, 10049:13, 10068:39, 10069:4 barristers [4] - 10067:1, 10067:18, 10069:2, 10071:6 based [4] - 10033:23, 10039:12, 10113:32, 10114:42 bash [2] - 10102:10, 10108:11 bashed [2] - 10058:44, 10108:1 basic [1] - 10038:47 basis [21] - 10037:10, 10037:34, 10044:30, 10044:35, 10047:21, 10048:16, 10048:29, 10057:12, 10071:33, 10079:18, 10083:32, 10085:12, 10085:25, 10088:45, 10108:46, 10116:8, 10116:9, 10118:22, 10118:36, 10120:29, 10125:14 bath [3] - 10056:17, 10056:20, 10064:46 bathroom [9] - 10056:5, 10056:10, 10056:18, 10060:37, 10060:38, 10060:47, 10061:11, 10091:6, 10103:2 bathtub [1] - 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10071:32 behind [16] - 10053:2, 10059:6, 10059:19, 10060:16, 10060:37, 10060:47, 10063:33, 10073:15, 10079:30, 10080:6, 10082:20, 10097:1, 10101:15, 10104:34, 10111:10, 10123:22 belief [7] - 10029:33, 10053:26, 10073:35, 10080:33, 10089:13, 10097:18, 10105:38 BELINDA [2] - 10073:1, 10073:20 Belinda [2] - 10073:6, 10073:41 belittle [1] - 10068:3 Bell [2] - 10034:10, 10034:21 belong [1] - 10057:29 belonged [1] - 10057:19 belt [4] - 10026:10, 10054:27, 10055:36, 10090:47 beneath [1] - 10069:28 benefits [1] - 10102:4 Benish [1] - 10045:47 Bert [136] - 10022:45, 10032:11, 10054:8, 10054:9, 10054:17, 10054:21, 10054:34, 10054:45, 10055:2, 10055:11, 10055:12, 10055:15, 10055:18, 10055:26, 10055:44, 10056:4, 10056:5, 10056:10, 10056:18, 10056:23, 10056:44, 10057:8, 10057:14, 10057:17, 10057:19, 10057:25, 10057:34, 10057:42, 10058:1, 10058:8, 10058:9, 10058:12, 10058:22, 10058:28, 10058:35, 10058:42, 10058:44, 10058:45, 10059:3, 10059:7, 10059:13, 10059:17, 10059:20, 10059:22, 10059:32, 10059:36, 10059:41, 10059:42, 10059:45, 10060:2, 10060:11, 10060:16, 10060:17, 10060:18, 10060:22, 10060:23, 10060:25, 10060:39, 10060:40, 10060:46, 10061:1, 10061:4, 10061:12, 10061:15, 10061:17, 10061:25, 10061:29, 10061:30, 10061:34, 10061:38, 10061:40, 10061:43, 10061:44, 10062:8, 10062:20, 10062:22, 10062:24, 10062:27, 10062:31, 10062:36, 10063:6, 10063:18, 10063:27, 10063:39, 10063:44, 10064:9, 10064:11, 10064:12, 10064:20, 10064:22, 10064:25, 10064:38, 10065:41, 10066:5, 10070:36, 10074:8, 10074:11, 10074:21, 10075:10, 10075:11, 10075:16, 10075:30, 10076:2, 10079:15, 10081:18, 10081:19, 10081:23, 10081:44, 10083:10, 10083:25, 10083:29, 10083:35, 10084:19, 10084:24, 10084:26, 10084:33, 10084:34, 10088:26, 10090:9, 10090:12, 10090:16, 10090:34, 10091:46, 10092:3, 10092:32, 10098:8, 10098:10, 10098:16, 10106:15, 10106:22, 10108:33, 10109:25, 10109:29, 10109:31 Bert's [7] - 10056:45, 10059:2, 10059:7, 10061:28, 10063:34, .22/10/2014 (96) 10075:15, 10090:11 beside [2] - 10058:12, 10060:1 best [12] - 10040:38, 10040:43, 10053:25, 10054:29, 10073:34, 10073:39, 10074:17, 10080:32, 10089:12, 10097:17, 10097:22, 10105:37 bet [2] - 10040:38, 10040:43 Bethcar [223] - 10022:39, 10022:44, 10023:1, 10023:4, 10023:10, 10023:12, 10023:25, 10023:26, 10023:27, 10023:29, 10023:31, 10023:36, 10024:6, 10024:18, 10024:37, 10024:38, 10024:40, 10025:9, 10025:16, 10025:21, 10025:36, 10025:42, 10025:47, 10026:4, 10026:32, 10026:36, 10026:45, 10027:4, 10027:7, 10027:9, 10027:19, 10027:37, 10028:11, 10028:25, 10028:29, 10028:46, 10029:3, 10029:4, 10029:11, 10029:14, 10029:29, 10029:31, 10029:45, 10030:2, 10030:5, 10030:9, 10030:22, 10030:26, 10030:27, 10030:46, 10031:3, 10031:8, 10031:18, 10031:35, 10031:36, 10031:39, 10031:44, 10032:1, 10032:8, 10032:18, 10033:47, 10034:3, 10034:8, 10034:33, 10037:21, 10039:11, 10039:19, 10040:4, 10040:6, 10040:7, 10040:33, 10043:12, 10043:38, 10048:39, 10050:26, 10050:31, 10051:9, 10051:11, 10054:8, 10054:12, 10054:17, 10054:20, 10054:23, 10054:29, 10054:44, 10054:46, 10057:42, 10062:3, 10062:7, 10064:3, 10064:42, 10065:10, 10065:15, 10066:4, 10068:26, 10069:23, 10069:33, 10069:34, 10069:41, 10069:43, 10074:2, 10074:4, 10074:8, 10074:15, 10074:22, 10074:27, 10074:46, 10075:23, 10075:30, 10075:37, 10075:44, 10076:3, 10076:5, 10076:25, 10076:38, 10077:36, 10077:40, 10078:37, 10079:14, 10079:23, 10081:2, 10081:5, 10081:9, 10081:12, 10081:16, 10081:18, 10081:20, 10081:22, 10082:9, 10082:15, 10082:39, 10083:7, 10083:20, 10083:23, 10083:41, 10083:45, 10084:4, 10084:10, 10085:10, 10085:38, 10086:5, 10086:16, 10086:22, 10086:25, 10086:31, 10086:37, 10086:40, 10086:44, 10087:4, 10087:7, 10087:25, 10087:47, 10090:4, 10090:7, 10090:9, 10090:11, 10090:20, 10090:25, 10090:30, 10090:43, 10091:22, 10091:32, 10091:46, 10092:14, 10092:17, 10092:26, 10092:33, 10092:40, 10093:28, 10093:42, 10094:27, 10095:9, 10095:11, 10095:18, 10095:32, 10095:45, 10096:8, 10096:10, 10097:37, 10097:40, 10097:41, 10097:44, 10098:2, 10098:4, 10098:10, 10098:11, 10098:25, 10098:47, 10099:33, 10100:32, 10100:37, 10100:39, 10100:42, 10100:43, 10101:22, 10101:29, 10102:23, 10103:47, 10104:14, 10106:12, 10106:15, 10106:20, 10106:39, 10106:41, 10106:45, 10107:17, 10107:20, 10108:20, 10108:22, 10108:47, 10109:1, 10109:7, 10109:14, 10109:18, 10109:45, 10110:11, 10110:16, 10113:7, 10113:37, 10121:31, 10125:33, 10129:38, 10129:44 betrayed [1] - 10058:36 better [8] - 10051:15, 10051:19, 10054:12, 10055:18, 10101:16, 10101:21, 10103:38, 10110:39 between [29] - 10022:46, 10023:29, 10026:31, 10027:18, 10029:15, 10029:24, 10030:9, 10031:29, 10032:7, 10032:41, 10032:43, 5 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 10032:44, 10032:46, 10032:47, 10033:2, 10036:18, 10038:17, 10040:32, 10041:2, 10041:42, 10042:21, 10067:41, 10078:37, 10081:13, 10100:36, 10109:13, 10128:27 Bible [2] - 10028:18, 10057:12 bible [3] - 10091:28, 10093:4, 10099:1 Bidura [1] - 10054:4 big [14] - 10042:33, 10055:28, 10055:29, 10066:47, 10070:39, 10081:22, 10081:27, 10081:31, 10082:28, 10082:32, 10090:13, 10098:21, 10106:28, 10116:33 Biles [32] - 10026:2, 10026:7, 10026:23, 10032:36, 10033:22, 10033:35, 10034:1, 10034:11, 10034:46, 10035:9, 10035:10, 10042:42, 10042:47, 10043:6, 10044:11, 10044:47, 10045:34, 10045:44, 10048:19, 10049:8, 10051:24, 10051:33, 10051:39, 10052:12, 10053:28, 10053:37, 10071:35, 10071:36, 10071:39, 10081:40, 10099:33, 10126:16 BILES [3] - 10051:28, 10052:9, 10069:30 Biles' [5] - 10033:31, 10034:24, 10044:29, 10045:39, 10053:6 billed [2] - 10033:19, 10113:33 bills [1] - 10065:29 binge [1] - 10076:20 biological [2] - 10057:22, 10058:43 birth [6] - 10053:30, 10053:32, 10085:10, 10097:28, 10101:44, 10107:33 birthday [1] - 10074:28 bit [1] - 10056:22 bitey [2] - 10055:28, 10055:29 bits [1] - 10052:20 blades [1] - 10065:17 blame [1] - 10094:26 blamed [2] - 10070:21, 10093:41 blaming [1] - 10070:26 blanket [3] - 10055:16, 10055:18, 10055:27 bled [1] - 10074:38 bleed [2] - 10027:46, 10099:47 bleeding [6] - 10026:44, 10027:43, 10062:43, 10063:2, 10099:28, 10100:22 block [1] - 10103:20 blocked [1] - 10102:33 blocking [1] - 10102:40 blood [2] - 10054:36, 10100:16 blue [1] - 10062:45 blur [1] - 10108:23 board [1] - 10025:24 body [3] - 10075:8, 10077:42, 10106:26 boiling [1] - 10075:17 bolder [1] - 10057:8 bond [1] - 10063:14 Boney [1] - 10084:13 bono [1] - 10116:10 boobs [2] - 10091:15, 10091:17 born [9] - 10053:28, 10053:29, 10053:34, 10073:41, 10080:37, 10089:17, 10097:25, 10097:29, 10105:42 bottle [1] - 10093:7 bottled [1] - 10102:33 bottles [1] - 10102:46 bought [1] - 10054:24 Bourke [16] - 10028:31, 10029:42, 10030:25, 10032:7, 10064:32, 10092:36, 10092:38, 10105:42, 10105:47, 10106:6, 10106:8, 10106:11, 10107:1, 10107:3, 10110:22, 10114:27 Bourke/Brewarrina [1] 10066:6 box [6] - 10051:25, 10067:44, 10078:3, 10080:10, 10097:4, 10105:26 boy [2] - 10070:45, 10071:3 boyfriend [1] - 10094:21 boyfriends [1] - 10068:2 boys [5] - 10040:5, 10060:16, 10069:45, 10070:10, 10071:1 boys' [2] - 10060:37, 10090:45 branch [2] - 10032:7, 10075:31 branches [4] - 10065:16, 10075:6, 10083:27, 10098:29 brave [1] - 10071:7 bravery [1] - 10050:16 breach [1] - 10085:1 break [3] - 10026:38, 10074:33, 10086:29 breaking [1] - 10074:32 breast [2] - 10027:28, 10082:42 breasts [8] - 10028:15, 10029:19, 10031:2, 10040:23, 10040:25, 10061:4, 10106:26 breasts" [1] - 10040:14 Brewarrina [64] 10022:40, 10022:45, 10024:20, 10024:21, 10025:10, 10025:32, 10029:8, 10029:9, 10029:15, 10029:41, 10029:44, 10030:1, 10030:32, 10030:46, 10031:37, 10032:16, 10040:2, 10053:34, 10053:46, 10054:33, 10054:46, 10056:44, 10057:38, 10058:1, 10058:6, 10058:18, 10058:43, 10059:2, 10059:3, 10059:22, 10059:28, 10063:31, 10064:43, 10065:11, 10074:15, 10076:7, 10076:47, 10081:3, 10081:6, 10081:43, 10084:27, 10084:31, 10087:14, 10089:18, 10089:23, 10089:24, 10090:2, 10090:5, 10092:35, 10092:39, 10092:45, 10093:15, 10093:22, 10094:34, 10095:21, 10095:22, 10097:27, 10097:38, 10098:5, 10098:42, 10102:12, 10106:12, 10106:40, 10114:28 Brewarrina" [1] 10029:30 brief [2] - 10029:42, 10030:20 briefing [1] - 10047:24 briefly [1] - 10122:12 bring [4] - 10050:34, 10059:32, 10110:14, 10122:33 bringing [2] - 10095:47, 10096:3 Brisbania [1] - 10101:33 broad [1] - 10115:30 broke [2] - 10026:37, 10077:43 broken [1] - 10122:41 brother [24] - 10053:37, 10058:19, 10061:18, 10061:19, 10061:20, 10061:24, 10061:25, 10061:28, 10061:32, 10061:33, 10061:36, 10061:40, 10061:41, 10061:42, 10065:45, 10067:18, 10069:30, 10069:46, 10070:19, 10070:22, 10071:20, 10074:5, 10081:11, 10083:35 .22/10/2014 (96) brothers [3] - 10053:35, 10089:19, 10108:2 brought [12] - 10022:41, 10023:28, 10023:35, 10026:46, 10029:4, 10033:44, 10034:28, 10034:44, 10068:2, 10079:7, 10092:27, 10097:40 Bruce [2] - 10030:43, 10053:37 bruised [1] - 10059:23 bruises [2] - 10077:25, 10091:3 bruising [2] - 10075:7, 10098:33 budget [1] - 10039:43 buds [1] - 10082:18 built [5] - 10054:41, 10054:42, 10054:44, 10055:7, 10090:19 Bulgun [1] - 10093:19 bundle [13] - 10049:17, 10049:32, 10049:39, 10052:1, 10072:5, 10073:16, 10080:7, 10088:43, 10097:2, 10104:34, 10111:10, 10122:37, 10124:34 BUNDLE [1] - 10049:36 burden [1] - 10066:31 burnt [2] - 10054:40, 10100:29 bus [7] - 10061:16, 10061:17, 10061:22, 10081:5, 10081:7, 10090:21, 10098:45 business [1] - 10094:39 buy [1] - 10083:42 BY [4] - 10051:30, 10073:3, 10105:10, 10111:14 C calculation [2] - 10113:14, 10113:23 camera [1] - 10049:25 can" [1] - 10092:11 cancer [1] - 10068:28 candy [1] - 10062:34 cannabis [2] - 10076:18, 10102:45 cannot [10] - 10073:45, 10076:19, 10076:25, 10077:8, 10081:29, 10086:46, 10095:40, 10103:8, 10103:14, 10107:3 capacity [5] - 10033:41, 10110:9, 10114:42, 10115:10, 10115:16 Cappie [1] - 10049:14 Cappie-Wood [1] 10049:14 capture [1] - 10115:19 car [12] - 10061:18, 10061:20, 10061:25, 10061:33, 10061:40, 10061:42, 10062:31, 10062:32, 10062:33, 10078:13, 10078:14, 10078:15 cardiac [1] - 10103:28 care [32] - 10023:13, 10024:25, 10024:29, 10024:43, 10050:18, 10050:36, 10053:45, 10054:17, 10058:34, 10064:5, 10068:27, 10070:31, 10077:33, 10084:1, 10085:23, 10087:40, 10093:12, 10093:13, 10093:19, 10094:37, 10095:45, 10097:37, 10101:21, 10103:3, 10103:45, 10103:46, 10104:2, 10107:40, 10107:41, 10108:23, 10108:29, 10114:7 cared [5] - 10054:31, 10070:32, 10080:40, 10098:3, 10107:38 carer [3] - 10062:3, 10062:18, 10089:25 carer's [1] - 10062:19 caring [5] - 10028:42, 10062:5, 10062:9, 10062:15, 10105:2 carrying [1] - 10093:4 Case [1] - 10021:17 case [42] - 10022:37, 10025:1, 10033:35, 10037:20, 10043:30, 10048:47, 10066:5, 10066:47, 10067:38, 10068:12, 10068:17, 10068:18, 10068:31, 10069:19, 10069:25, 10071:2, 10071:3, 10071:4, 10071:13, 10078:43, 10079:22, 10088:25, 10092:23, 10109:25, 10109:28, 10109:33, 10113:6, 10114:1, 10115:23, 10115:39, 10116:2, 10116:21, 10117:40, 10118:37, 10118:41, 10119:4, 10120:9, 10121:38, 10124:26, 10126:7, 10129:4 cases [10] - 10023:18, 10026:1, 10040:44, 10042:6, 10042:20, 10086:18, 10113:21, 10128:8, 10128:25, 10129:3 cash [1] - 10042:27 cashion [1] - 10127:41 Cashion [4] - 10041:40, 10044:14, 10044:43, 10049:12 6 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation categories [1] - 10122:41 category [3] - 10066:11, 10122:43, 10125:31 Catherine [2] - 10051:26, 10052:16 Catsanos [13] - 10037:29, 10038:17, 10041:43, 10047:38, 10115:45, 10116:2, 10116:6, 10117:24, 10117:28, 10117:33, 10125:44, 10126:27, 10126:39 caught [1] - 10061:16 caused [3] - 10099:47, 10100:8, 10102:34 causes [1] - 10086:42 causing [5] - 10027:1, 10027:43, 10027:46, 10075:20, 10108:8 ceased [1] - 10039:4 cent [1] - 10040:45 Central [5] - 10074:15, 10081:43, 10089:23, 10098:42, 10101:34 centre [4] - 10034:40, 10093:19, 10106:10, 10113:1 Centrelink [1] - 10062:26 centres [1] - 10076:19 century [1] - 10115:9 certain [2] - 10100:31, 10100:41 certainly [7] - 10072:28, 10111:23, 10112:41, 10113:27, 10119:43, 10124:19, 10124:22 Certainly [1] - 10112:22 certificate [3] - 10053:30, 10053:32, 10084:19 Chair [1] - 10021:33 CHAIR [71] - 10022:4, 10022:9, 10022:16, 10022:24, 10022:33, 10049:20, 10049:24, 10049:30, 10049:34, 10049:42, 10050:6, 10050:11, 10050:38, 10051:22, 10051:32, 10052:3, 10052:7, 10052:45, 10053:5, 10053:10, 10053:15, 10053:20, 10071:38, 10071:45, 10072:13, 10072:18, 10072:25, 10072:31, 10072:36, 10073:18, 10079:40, 10079:47, 10080:17, 10080:22, 10088:34, 10088:47, 10096:39, 10097:7, 10104:28, 10105:6, 10110:45, 10111:4, 10111:29, 10112:8, 10112:20, 10112:38, 10114:35, 10115:42, 10119:25, 10119:39, 10122:21, 10122:27, 10122:32, 10122:39, 10123:12, 10123:19, 10123:25, 10123:30, 10123:35, 10123:40, 10124:2, 10124:9, 10124:30, 10124:38, 10124:44, 10125:39, 10128:11, 10130:16, 10130:22, 10130:27, 10130:36 chairman [1] - 10025:6 challenge [1] - 10065:28 chance [2] - 10047:13, 10071:14 change [1] - 10091:6 changed [4] - 10068:33, 10111:44, 10125:17, 10125:42 changes [1] - 10068:5 changing [2] - 10062:11, 10081:31 chaos [1] - 10107:34 character [1] - 10033:37 charge [4] - 10025:26, 10033:21, 10045:47, 10062:20 charged [6] - 10032:39, 10075:35, 10078:14, 10085:37, 10088:27, 10095:17 charges [4] - 10029:45, 10033:12, 10064:21, 10095:15 charts [1] - 10062:13 cheaply [1] - 10047:46 check [7] - 10062:23, 10062:24, 10082:11, 10090:26, 10112:10, 10124:25, 10124:28 chequebook [1] 10038:12 chest' [1] - 10067:28 chief [2] - 10123:17, 10123:31 CHILD [1] - 10021:13 Child [9] - 10024:42, 10025:16, 10025:35, 10053:24, 10073:33, 10080:31, 10089:11, 10097:16, 10105:36 child [20] - 10022:38, 10025:3, 10030:33, 10040:20, 10050:43, 10051:15, 10051:17, 10051:19, 10064:17, 10066:37, 10080:41, 10085:11, 10085:14, 10087:18, 10102:17, 10102:35, 10106:7, 10107:32, 10107:33, 10107:39 childcare [1] - 10025:39 childhood [3] - 10071:15, 10086:6, 10086:40 children [65] - 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10076:3 Christianity [1] - 10065:40 Christians [1] - 10065:42 chronology [1] - 10119:36 cigarettes [1] - 10076:39 circle [1] - 10041:12 circumstances [2] 10023:11, 10028:44 city [2] - 10079:11, 10116:33 civil [29] - 10023:28, 10023:35, 10024:3, 10024:6, 10024:9, 10026:25, 10027:14, 10027:33, 10028:5, 10028:34, 10033:44, 10048:25, 10048:40, 10050:33, 10050:42, .22/10/2014 (96) 10051:4, 10051:16, 10066:41, 10067:8, 10069:35, 10070:43, 10071:32, 10087:22, 10096:14, 10110:19, 10114:45, 10114:47, 10115:11, 10115:33 CJ [1] - 10031:22 claim [33] - 10026:25, 10027:14, 10027:33, 10034:21, 10034:27, 10034:31, 10034:45, 10035:16, 10035:19, 10035:25, 10035:42, 10041:25, 10066:8, 10066:12, 10066:16, 10066:18, 10066:28, 10078:25, 10078:29, 10078:32, 10078:41, 10087:5, 10095:29, 10095:44, 10095:47, 10096:3, 10096:6, 10104:3, 10110:14, 10125:15, 10127:2, 10127:29, 10129:37 claimants [1] - 10051:2 claimed [1] - 10046:17 claims [14] - 10023:42, 10034:28, 10036:36, 10037:1, 10037:7, 10038:23, 10040:44, 10044:17, 10047:13, 10048:26, 10048:28, 10050:34, 10051:14, 10051:16 clarify [2] - 10036:35, 10112:4 class [3] - 10028:18, 10057:32, 10091:29 clean [3] - 10091:13, 10098:26, 10098:34 cleaning [2] - 10076:36, 10091:6 cleanliness [1] - 10065:33 clearly [3] - 10104:7, 10114:8, 10122:21 clients [7] - 10038:1, 10043:7, 10113:23, 10114:26, 10115:17, 10122:5, 10128:30 climb [2] - 10059:3, 10059:17 close [4] - 10059:40, 10060:44, 10061:34, 10065:39 closed [4] - 10031:40, 10031:44, 10056:24, 10099:22 closest [1] - 10055:14 closure [1] - 10067:28 clothes [4] - 10060:32, 10060:34, 10060:35, 10106:27 clothing [1] - 10103:4 coast [1] - 10094:34 Coast [1] - 10101:34 coaxed [1] - 10099:34 cock [1] - 10031:18 coffee [1] - 10038:15 cold [3] - 10068:43, 10071:25, 10099:16 Colin [69] - 10023:1, 10029:14, 10030:13, 10032:10, 10032:25, 10033:41, 10054:37, 10054:41, 10057:47, 10058:9, 10058:22, 10059:27, 10064:11, 10064:17, 10065:41, 10074:22, 10074:29, 10074:37, 10074:45, 10075:23, 10075:34, 10075:36, 10076:29, 10077:38, 10077:40, 10078:4, 10078:7, 10078:22, 10078:30, 10079:15, 10081:21, 10081:24, 10081:44, 10082:2, 10082:21, 10082:27, 10082:29, 10082:33, 10082:35, 10082:41, 10083:32, 10084:27, 10085:36, 10086:18, 10090:14, 10090:17, 10090:19, 10091:14, 10091:20, 10091:29, 10091:31, 10091:46, 10092:18, 10092:27, 10092:44, 10092:46, 10093:2, 10094:23, 10095:15, 10095:17, 10095:21, 10095:38, 10098:14, 10098:16, 10098:28, 10109:33, 10109:34 Colin's [1] - 10090:20 collapsed [1] - 10076:12 collect [1] - 10086:29 colour [1] - 10062:34 comfort [1] - 10063:10 comfortable [1] 10111:44 comforted [2] - 10040:13, 10040:21 coming [14] - 10026:35, 10056:5, 10056:18, 10064:27, 10071:45, 10074:29, 10076:26, 10079:47, 10080:9, 10082:9, 10082:10, 10090:26, 10103:2, 10116:32 commenced [9] 10023:37, 10033:5, 10034:1, 10034:15, 10035:1, 10043:47, 10048:40, 10103:19, 10117:21 commend [1] - 10050:19 commenting [2] 10040:10, 10041:30 comments [4] - 10037:13, 10040:11, 10111:41, 10111:43 7 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation commercial [1] 10037:10 COMMISSION [2] 10021:12, 10130:40 Commission [22] 10022:2, 10024:7, 10025:46, 10050:40, 10050:44, 10051:13, 10053:24, 10069:17, 10069:22, 10069:26, 10069:38, 10073:32, 10080:30, 10088:32, 10089:10, 10096:37, 10097:15, 10104:26, 10105:35, 10120:23, 10121:46, 10128:22 Commission's [4] 10022:37, 10024:15, 10050:41, 10050:45 Commissioner [12] 10021:34, 10022:1, 10022:21, 10022:36, 10049:16, 10052:46, 10053:2, 10072:4, 10072:7, 10080:5, 10088:35, 10096:44 commissioner's [1] 10025:24 Commissioner's [1] 10072:22 Commissions [1] 10022:30 commitment [1] 10050:21 committed [2] - 10023:12, 10024:29 committing [1] - 10054:16 Commodore [1] 10078:12 Commonwealth [1] 10024:46 communicated [1] 10124:45 communicating [1] 10079:34 communications [1] 10076:40 community [12] 10024:23, 10031:30, 10034:40, 10034:41, 10043:9, 10043:40, 10054:13, 10077:47, 10078:2, 10083:18, 10113:1, 10113:2 Community [6] - 10022:7, 10023:6, 10025:38, 10049:10, 10053:31, 10074:1 company [2] - 10073:46, 10114:21 compared [2] - 10066:19, 10094:22 compassionately [1] 10051:6 compensable [1] 10109:47 compensation [34] - 10023:31, 10023:32, 10026:26, 10027:15, 10027:33, 10048:37, 10048:39, 10048:41, 10048:44, 10048:45, 10048:46, 10049:4, 10066:3, 10066:9, 10066:11, 10066:14, 10078:11, 10078:18, 10078:25, 10085:41, 10085:43, 10095:30, 10095:37, 10096:21, 10102:22, 10102:28, 10104:15, 10104:21, 10109:37, 10109:39, 10110:3, 10128:28, 10128:36, 10129:38 Compensation [2] 10066:9, 10078:20 complained [2] 10028:21, 10092:9 complaining [2] 10026:9, 10036:32 complaint [8] - 10026:24, 10027:13, 10031:16, 10031:26, 10031:46, 10032:19, 10032:36, 10033:22 complaints [12] 10023:27, 10029:38, 10030:3, 10030:4, 10031:43, 10032:34, 10033:17, 10033:18, 10033:32, 10036:28, 10064:22, 10121:32 complete [4] - 10042:17, 10065:37, 10068:9, 10075:2 completed [1] - 10127:11 completely [1] - 10055:23 complex [2] - 10038:1, 10113:38 complexities [1] - 10114:5 complexity [2] - 10113:40, 10113:41 compliance [1] - 10025:23 complied [1] - 10048:34 composed [1] - 10030:16 comprised [3] - 10046:14, 10054:33, 10090:12 compromise [7] 10037:34, 10040:46, 10044:35, 10044:45, 10045:18, 10045:35, 10047:20 concern [1] - 10042:45 concerned [3] - 10030:39, 10043:35, 10119:18 concerning [2] 10031:42, 10033:4 concerns [2] - 10022:38, 10029:37 conclude [3] - 10040:25, 10049:20, 10072:10 concluded [2] - 10023:38, 10029:36 conclusion [3] - 10030:18, 10031:6, 10050:31 conclusions [1] 10047:28 condition [2] - 10087:2, 10109:18 conditions [2] - 10024:42, 10025:20 conduct [2] - 10023:27, 10048:24 conducted [5] - 10023:36, 10024:1, 10024:36, 10031:35, 10048:4 conducting [1] - 10093:4 conference [12] 10036:17, 10036:18, 10036:23, 10037:4, 10040:36, 10040:37, 10040:43, 10047:33, 10047:42, 10047:43, 10086:28, 10117:28 confide [1] - 10100:39 confided [1] - 10028:2 confidentiality [4] 10052:29, 10052:35, 10052:39, 10069:14 confinement [1] 10025:13 confirm [1] - 10122:16 connected [1] - 10056:11 connection [2] 10078:36, 10109:13 consensus [2] - 10129:14, 10129:22 consent [1] - 10078:9 consequence [1] 10033:18 consider [5] - 10024:24, 10031:36, 10037:27, 10043:8, 10047:29 consideration [4] 10031:5, 10038:31, 10045:13, 10045:20 considered [3] 10038:22, 10048:31, 10084:15 considering [2] 10119:13, 10119:16 consisted [1] - 10098:6 consists [1] - 10108:28 consolidated [1] 10035:46 Constable [6] - 10032:6, 10032:8, 10033:28, 10042:41, 10042:46, 10043:1 construction [1] 10024:33 consultations [3] 10116:17, 10116:22, 10116:30 consumption [1] 10079:4 contact [5] - 10066:6, 10079:36, 10109:23, 10122:46, 10123:5 contacted [6] - 10064:6, 10084:14, 10103:18, .22/10/2014 (96) 10109:24, 10109:31, 10122:13 contains [2] - 10041:31, 10041:32 content [1] - 10072:5 context [1] - 10130:9 contingency [2] 10116:7, 10116:9 continual [1] - 10065:25 continue [5] - 10083:29, 10086:28, 10101:27, 10102:40, 10108:46 continued [2] - 10074:27, 10100:31 continues [1] - 10050:44 continuing [2] - 10025:1, 10105:31 contraceptive [1] 10062:47 contracted [1] - 10103:24 contribute [2] - 10024:15, 10050:45 control [6] - 10023:11, 10023:25, 10025:35, 10077:9, 10077:42, 10095:39 convenience [4] 10023:7, 10049:40, 10072:23, 10117:42 convenient [2] - 10049:16, 10098:38 conversation [5] 10038:13, 10041:1, 10041:42, 10055:25, 10061:19 convey [1] - 10104:28 conveyed [2] - 10088:35, 10128:44 convicted [5] - 10039:25, 10041:27, 10101:12, 10101:17, 10103:36 cope [1] - 10094:10 copies [2] - 10118:6, 10130:33 copy [2] - 10111:20, 10122:32 cord [5] - 10070:39, 10083:26, 10091:1, 10091:11, 10106:35 cords [1] - 10065:17 corner [3] - 10056:12, 10061:30, 10061:31 correct [10] - 10052:21, 10053:25, 10073:34, 10080:32, 10089:12, 10097:17, 10105:37, 10111:39, 10127:25, 10128:9 correspondence [4] 10040:16, 10118:2, 10118:3, 10120:6 corroborate [1] 10041:13 corroboration [1] 10033:23 cost [3] - 10043:9, 10047:37, 10114:20 cost-effective [1] 10047:37 costs [24] - 10023:44, 10023:45, 10024:11, 10037:11, 10037:12, 10044:32, 10044:37, 10045:10, 10045:25, 10045:35, 10045:45, 10046:32, 10047:16, 10047:18, 10047:22, 10048:6, 10048:12, 10048:18, 10048:20, 10113:18, 10113:22, 10118:23, 10119:20, 10121:37 costs" [1] - 10042:27 cotton [2] - 10065:7, 10082:17 couch [2] - 10055:13, 10055:21 Council [1] - 10075:1 council [1] - 10025:22 Counsel [1] - 10021:39 counsel [20] - 10022:2, 10035:4, 10035:17, 10036:6, 10036:13, 10037:14, 10037:27, 10037:29, 10037:33, 10039:33, 10040:38, 10041:30, 10044:38, 10044:42, 10046:40, 10046:41, 10047:34, 10115:46, 10116:2, 10117:19 counsel's [2] - 10038:31, 10047:35 counselling [3] 10068:16, 10103:34, 10103:41 counsellor [2] - 10065:44, 10072:44 counsellors [1] 10110:37 count [5] - 10032:42, 10032:44, 10032:46, 10033:1 counts [1] - 10032:40 couple [5] - 10041:10, 10084:18, 10084:29, 10102:4, 10106:41 courage [2] - 10033:38, 10050:19 course [9] - 10030:19, 10042:12, 10046:7, 10050:6, 10072:32, 10080:11, 10080:14, 10117:47, 10119:39 court [48] - 10023:13, 10031:26, 10036:45, 10037:23, 10041:17, 10042:16, 10043:21, 10043:33, 10044:5, 10044:9, 10048:46, 10060:27, 10064:15, 10064:22, 10066:34, 10066:47, 10067:30, 10067:35, 10067:38, 8 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 10067:39, 10068:5, 10068:7, 10068:12, 10068:17, 10068:31, 10069:19, 10069:25, 10071:2, 10071:3, 10071:4, 10071:13, 10071:30, 10077:45, 10078:2, 10086:17, 10086:20, 10088:25, 10101:11, 10106:9, 10106:11, 10107:7, 10109:25, 10109:28, 10109:33, 10115:11, 10115:33, 10118:44, 10121:5 Court [14] - 10028:26, 10034:2, 10044:19, 10044:28, 10046:4, 10046:47, 10047:47, 10049:5, 10053:45, 10054:6, 10078:18, 10078:19, 10106:6, 10112:25 court-imposed [1] 10043:33 courtroom [1] - 10078:4 courts [3] - 10067:41, 10070:9, 10078:43 cousin [1] - 10063:35 Coutts [4] - 10049:10, 10122:28, 10122:36, 10123:22 Coutts-Trotter [2] 10049:10, 10122:36 Coutts-Trotter's [2] 10122:28, 10123:22 Cowra [1] - 10085:19 cramps [2] - 10062:43, 10063:2 credible [1] - 10042:43 crime [3] - 10024:14, 10048:47, 10107:44 crimes [1] - 10103:40 criminal [5] - 10064:21, 10086:18, 10095:15, 10109:32, 10118:44 cringe [1] - 10103:9 criteria [5] - 10114:35, 10115:10, 10115:12, 10115:28, 10115:30 criticism [1] - 10037:24 crocheting [1] - 10055:12 cross [4] - 10050:3, 10064:18, 10126:24, 10126:27 cross-examination [1] 10126:24 cross-examined [2] 10064:18, 10126:27 cross-examining [1] 10050:3 crotch [1] - 10058:13 Crown [72] - 10034:14, 10034:16, 10034:20, 10035:3, 10035:7, 10035:22, 10035:27, 10036:6, 10036:12, 10036:15, 10036:20, 10036:27, 10036:31, 10036:34, 10036:38, 10037:5, 10037:45, 10038:4, 10038:5, 10038:20, 10038:29, 10038:33, 10038:41, 10039:7, 10039:37, 10039:46, 10042:12, 10042:24, 10042:29, 10042:40, 10043:4, 10043:16, 10043:20, 10043:28, 10043:47, 10044:37, 10044:41, 10045:9, 10045:14, 10045:17, 10045:23, 10045:31, 10045:37, 10045:39, 10045:42, 10046:6, 10046:34, 10046:35, 10046:37, 10046:39, 10046:45, 10047:7, 10047:10, 10047:12, 10047:13, 10047:19, 10047:27, 10047:28, 10047:40, 10047:44, 10048:2, 10048:3, 10048:7, 10048:23, 10048:25, 10048:27, 10049:12, 10118:1, 10120:7, 10124:45 Crown's [1] - 10119:33 cry [1] - 10070:16 crying [4] - 10055:24, 10056:12, 10059:21, 10063:9 CSO [1] - 10045:30 cup [1] - 10059:32 cups [1] - 10038:14 current [2] - 10023:31, 10103:27 Curtis [8] - 10046:30, 10046:36, 10047:1, 10112:25, 10126:12, 10126:23, 10127:32, 10127:33 custody [1] - 10085:16 cut [2] - 10059:23, 10093:7 D dad [8] - 10054:9, 10054:10, 10074:12, 10089:19, 10089:33, 10089:36, 10106:42 dad" [1] - 10054:21 daddy [5] - 10055:17, 10055:27, 10055:28, 10055:33 daily [7] - 10057:12, 10065:26, 10071:33, 10083:32, 10085:25, 10086:6, 10090:43 damages [7] - 10023:42, 10038:16, 10045:11, 10047:14, 10048:4, 10048:6, 10115:33 date [11] - 10044:29, 10047:18, 10078:31, 10107:7, 10121:9, 10121:14, 10121:35, 10125:46, 10126:6, 10126:17, 10126:20 dated [9] - 10030:12, 10030:43, 10032:9, 10033:29, 10039:47, 10044:44, 10109:44, 10111:19, 10124:35 DATED [7] - 10052:10, 10073:21, 10080:20, 10089:2, 10097:9, 10105:23, 10111:31 dates [2] - 10053:30, 10112:24 daughter [14] - 10022:47, 10054:35, 10065:22, 10076:45, 10077:4, 10077:5, 10078:15, 10081:20, 10081:36, 10087:15, 10090:16, 10098:15, 10098:18, 10108:9 daughters [1] - 10106:1 daunting [1] - 10068:6 David [1] - 10021:39 day-to-day [1] - 10045:47 days [4] - 10044:12, 10064:3, 10109:11, 10127:6 de [1] - 10058:45 deal [13] - 10033:38, 10033:44, 10049:39, 10050:4, 10050:6, 10069:18, 10086:32, 10087:24, 10120:42, 10120:47, 10121:21, 10124:40, 10127:6 dealing [6] - 10051:5, 10051:16, 10055:47, 10086:31, 10108:36, 10123:4 dealings [1] - 10118:27 dealt [1] - 10043:5 Deane [4] - 10080:13, 10080:24, 10089:4, 10097:5 DEANE [6] - 10080:26, 10088:32, 10089:6, 10096:37, 10097:11, 10104:26 death [2] - 10069:31, 10076:12 deaths [1] - 10108:3 December [27] - 10025:30, 10031:46, 10032:14, 10032:22, 10032:30, 10035:21, 10035:27, 10038:5, 10038:33, 10038:41, 10041:1, 10041:7, 10041:16, 10046:26, 10046:30, 10046:34, 10047:2, 10048:10, 10048:13, .22/10/2014 (96) 10054:15, 10068:38, 10071:6, 10095:20, 10112:26, 10126:9, 10126:10, 10126:23 decided [3] - 10083:46, 10091:12, 10114:23 decision [13] - 10030:20, 10033:21, 10047:1, 10047:6, 10054:6, 10054:7, 10066:10, 10078:19, 10114:36, 10114:38, 10114:39, 10114:41 declaration [2] 10035:33, 10120:1 declarations [1] 10102:24 declined [1] - 10102:16 deeply [2] - 10050:27, 10076:13 defence [7] - 10035:24, 10035:29, 10036:41, 10043:25, 10046:10, 10046:27, 10120:7 defences [2] - 10024:10, 10039:16 defendant [11] - 10038:12, 10038:43, 10040:38, 10044:4, 10044:36, 10045:44, 10047:21, 10066:27, 10125:13, 10128:12, 10128:13 defending [1] - 10047:13 defer [1] - 10049:38 definitely [2] - 10064:37, 10128:42 delay [1] - 10024:11 delays [1] - 10066:26 deliberately [2] 10026:37, 10074:32 delivered [3] - 10046:36, 10048:15, 10068:41 demanding" [1] - 10038:2 dementia [1] - 10120:45 denied [2] - 10039:17, 10088:15 department [65] 10024:30, 10024:36, 10024:39, 10025:1, 10028:45, 10029:2, 10029:8, 10029:36, 10030:19, 10030:32, 10030:45, 10031:6, 10031:14, 10031:21, 10031:23, 10031:33, 10031:35, 10032:7, 10034:7, 10036:11, 10036:13, 10036:17, 10036:21, 10036:34, 10037:4, 10037:7, 10037:11, 10037:20, 10037:22, 10037:24, 10037:26, 10038:30, 10038:34, 10039:40, 10040:1, 10040:33, 10041:2, 10042:25, 10043:19, 10043:20, 10043:32, 10043:37, 10045:8, 10045:16, 10045:18, 10045:24, 10045:28, 10045:38, 10045:43, 10046:27, 10046:34, 10046:46, 10047:6, 10047:24, 10047:33, 10047:40, 10047:44, 10048:11, 10048:15, 10050:16, 10050:27, 10050:32, 10050:34, 10068:42, 10128:41 Department [8] - 10022:7, 10023:6, 10028:11, 10049:10, 10049:14, 10053:31, 10074:1, 10089:40 department" [1] - 10023:8 department's [4] 10029:4, 10036:35, 10043:31, 10047:28 deploying [1] - 10114:18 depressed [3] - 10093:46, 10103:21, 10103:29 depression [3] - 10094:2, 10094:4, 10108:42 Derek [1] - 10045:7 describe [4] - 10026:23, 10027:12, 10027:32, 10079:6 description [1] - 10125:30 deserved [1] - 10104:14 despite [1] - 10042:34 destroyed [2] - 10067:4, 10071:19 detailed [3] - 10041:31, 10047:11, 10118:30 detective [1] - 10029:43 Detective [10] - 10029:44, 10033:28, 10042:41, 10042:46, 10042:47, 10064:3, 10066:17, 10095:14, 10109:24, 10109:31 detectives [3] - 10029:42, 10030:2, 10102:14 detention [1] - 10106:10 determined [4] 10043:25, 10044:10, 10045:1, 10128:4 detoxification [1] 10076:19 devastating [2] 10023:20, 10028:38 developments [1] 10033:15 diagnosed [1] - 10065:27 dialysis [2] - 10062:4, 10062:11 Diane [1] - 10084:12 Dianne [1] - 10117:15 died [15] - 10027:20, 10064:22, 10064:25, 10069:30, 10073:44, 10073:45, 10076:12, 10077:34, 10080:45, 9 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 10080:46, 10081:1, 10088:26, 10097:32, 10107:33, 10120:44 difference [2] - 10041:3, 10094:5 different [9] - 10023:10, 10053:30, 10067:41, 10084:3, 10093:11, 10101:26, 10107:8, 10107:36, 10114:33 differently [1] - 10090:33 difficult [15] - 10028:7, 10047:36, 10065:46, 10066:21, 10066:25, 10066:30, 10075:39, 10079:10, 10096:16, 10104:44, 10110:36, 10114:5, 10116:33, 10126:18, 10126:20 difficulties [10] 10028:41, 10105:31, 10116:17, 10116:29, 10116:31, 10116:41, 10117:3, 10128:22, 10129:11, 10129:18 difficulty [4] - 10041:26, 10046:12, 10049:47, 10116:46 digital [2] - 10026:15, 10026:42 dignity [1] - 10065:3 Dimech [3] - 10030:45, 10031:16, 10075:27 dinner [3] - 10027:47, 10100:9, 10100:18 direct [3] - 10037:20, 10073:37, 10097:20 direction [6] - 10022:29, 10022:31, 10022:34, 10088:41, 10096:45 directions [5] - 10035:14, 10036:46, 10039:30, 10042:15, 10042:18 directly [2] - 10090:4, 10118:29 director [2] - 10045:8, 10049:1 dirt [1] - 10054:32 dirty [3] - 10059:25, 10065:32, 10106:30 disability [1] - 10035:35 disadvantaged [6] 10025:12, 10034:42, 10113:3, 10113:6, 10115:17, 10115:20 disagreed [1] - 10106:35 disappear [1] - 10079:5 disappointed [1] 10060:28 disastrous [1] - 10077:16 disbursements [3] 10045:26, 10047:18, 10114:24 disclose [5] - 10023:44, 10029:1, 10030:8, 10039:3, 10042:10 disclosed [1] - 10032:10 disclosing [2] - 10046:15, 10122:6 discovered [1] - 10091:11 discretionary [1] 10125:12 discuss [4] - 10036:12, 10037:6, 10037:30, 10047:43 discussed [4] - 10036:11, 10036:17, 10038:16, 10100:40 discussing [2] - 10100:47, 10107:13 discussion [4] - 10036:23, 10037:33, 10042:19, 10042:21 disgusted [2] - 10065:35, 10092:43 dislike [1] - 10101:27 dismissal [1] - 10044:16 dismissed [2] - 10035:42, 10046:30 dismissing [2] - 10046:37, 10054:16 disorder [4] - 10077:13, 10103:22, 10103:23, 10108:44 dispute [1] - 10044:3 distraught [1] - 10059:29 distress [1] - 10118:31 distressed [2] - 10040:20, 10057:6 district [7] - 10024:39, 10029:8, 10030:25, 10030:32, 10030:46, 10031:22, 10040:2 District [6] - 10034:2, 10044:28, 10046:4, 10049:5, 10053:34, 10112:25 DoCS [22] - 10027:6, 10027:9, 10027:29, 10028:25, 10032:15, 10032:19, 10041:11, 10053:44, 10054:2, 10054:11, 10068:22, 10075:38, 10076:41, 10076:44, 10077:4, 10078:45, 10079:22, 10083:4, 10106:5, 10107:38, 10110:29 doctor [5] - 10062:45, 10063:4, 10094:3, 10108:42, 10116:36 doctors [6] - 10055:9, 10079:2, 10109:8, 10116:26, 10117:13, 10117:39 doctors' [1] - 10062:14 document [2] - 10121:28, 10124:25 documented [1] 10032:19 documents [9] 10046:14, 10046:18, 10050:1, 10121:47, 10126:41, 10127:7, 10127:22, 10127:36, 10127:43 Dodge [2] - 10084:32, 10084:36 domestic [4] - 10028:41, 10084:42, 10085:43, 10115:14 dominated [1] - 10086:36 done [7] - 10046:40, 10063:21, 10076:42, 10078:23, 10079:33, 10088:38, 10093:2 door [20] - 10056:5, 10056:9, 10056:10, 10056:24, 10058:17, 10058:20, 10059:36, 10059:40, 10060:7, 10060:37, 10060:38, 10060:39, 10060:40, 10060:44, 10060:46, 10060:47, 10061:34, 10063:43, 10106:22 doors [1] - 10082:35 doorstopper [1] - 10108:7 doubt [1] - 10042:5 doubted [1] - 10041:5 doubtful [1] - 10041:22 doubts [1] - 10038:45 Doug [21] - 10065:45, 10069:32, 10069:34, 10069:36, 10069:41, 10069:44, 10070:3, 10070:5, 10070:13, 10070:14, 10070:20, 10070:28, 10070:35, 10070:43, 10071:6, 10071:8, 10071:10, 10071:14, 10071:23, 10071:25, 10071:27 Doug's [4] - 10070:6, 10071:2, 10071:3, 10071:32 Douglas [12] - 10034:1, 10034:11, 10053:37, 10053:39, 10053:40, 10053:44, 10054:7, 10054:16, 10058:30, 10068:40, 10069:30, 10070:37 doused [1] - 10070:29 down [40] - 10028:42, 10031:40, 10054:40, 10055:17, 10055:27, 10055:28, 10055:32, 10056:6, 10056:9, 10056:28, 10056:44, 10057:47, 10060:3, 10060:12, 10061:5, 10062:23, 10062:34, 10064:26, 10064:27, 10075:11, 10075:42, 10076:7, 10077:4, 10077:5, 10081:32, 10082:3, 10082:5, 10082:18, 10082:36, 10085:30, 10085:32, 10099:14, 10099:19, .22/10/2014 (96) 10099:37, 10100:16, 10100:29, 10103:16, 10106:25, 10108:38, 10110:22 Dr [6] - 10041:30, 10086:26, 10110:21, 10116:32, 10116:42, 10117:41 drafted [1] - 10102:15 drag [2] - 10067:12, 10068:36 dragged [1] - 10079:22 drank [2] - 10070:8, 10108:2 dressed [2] - 10029:24, 10064:46 drink [4] - 10089:29, 10092:46, 10095:3, 10103:30 drinker [1] - 10076:20 drinking [12] - 10070:9, 10075:39, 10076:8, 10076:17, 10077:21, 10077:35, 10078:39, 10085:11, 10085:15, 10085:19, 10085:22, 10102:45 drive [3] - 10059:5, 10081:44, 10098:45 driver [2] - 10059:6, 10081:8 driver's [1] - 10059:19 driving [2] - 10090:21, 10095:3 drop [1] - 10061:36 dropped [3] - 10108:10, 10118:19, 10118:22 drove [8] - 10058:12, 10059:1, 10061:17, 10061:30, 10061:40, 10062:31, 10078:14, 10083:11 drown [1] - 10070:6 drug [4] - 10028:40, 10054:43, 10093:34, 10107:29 drugs [9] - 10069:25, 10076:38, 10093:37, 10094:11, 10102:41, 10102:42, 10103:10, 10107:18, 10107:20 drunk [5] - 10085:26, 10089:30, 10094:11, 10102:10, 10108:1 drunkenness [1] 10095:3 Dubbo [7] - 10029:43, 10033:42, 10064:16, 10066:5, 10106:2, 10109:36, 10117:42 due [1] - 10050:6 dumped [1] - 10101:29 during [20] - 10024:22, 10040:3, 10046:7, 10046:12, 10051:18, 10057:13, 10066:23, 10076:47, 10083:23, 10083:45, 10084:42, 10085:22, 10099:22, 10100:13, 10100:36, 10101:43, 10102:6, 10107:47, 10117:47, 10121:26 duty [1] - 10104:1 dying [3] - 10068:28, 10071:27, 10071:28 E early [9] - 10029:3, 10035:4, 10036:9, 10036:16, 10036:24, 10038:36, 10048:30, 10071:16, 10117:36 ease [2] - 10067:19, 10093:47 easier [3] - 10067:38, 10069:11, 10086:32 easy [2] - 10066:15, 10117:11 economic [1] - 10036:42 edge [1] - 10067:6 Edie [26] - 10070:35, 10070:36, 10074:9, 10074:11, 10074:24, 10075:3, 10075:11, 10075:15, 10075:16, 10075:31, 10079:15, 10081:19, 10081:23, 10083:25, 10083:36, 10084:20, 10084:26, 10090:13, 10090:16, 10090:34, 10091:46, 10092:3, 10092:33, 10106:16, 10106:34 Edie's [1] - 10081:36 edith [1] - 10055:32 Edith [53] - 10022:46, 10054:8, 10054:17, 10054:21, 10054:26, 10054:35, 10054:36, 10054:45, 10055:11, 10055:12, 10055:14, 10055:15, 10055:23, 10055:25, 10055:35, 10055:40, 10055:44, 10055:45, 10055:46, 10056:9, 10057:18, 10057:43, 10058:1, 10058:8, 10058:23, 10058:28, 10058:35, 10058:42, 10059:32, 10059:33, 10060:32, 10060:36, 10061:44, 10062:8, 10062:44, 10063:27, 10063:44, 10064:25, 10064:27, 10064:31, 10064:37, 10065:16, 10065:41, 10066:38, 10081:18, 10090:9, 10090:46, 10098:8, 10098:10, 10098:16, 10100:17, 10106:15 10 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation Edith's [3] - 10056:4, 10056:23, 10064:33 educated [1] - 10093:25 education [3] - 10065:5, 10074:44, 10114:2 effect [39] - 10023:20, 10028:39, 10036:28, 10040:12, 10042:43, 10050:33, 10055:17, 10055:37, 10057:28, 10058:14, 10058:24, 10059:24, 10059:34, 10060:14, 10060:18, 10060:26, 10061:26, 10061:32, 10061:45, 10062:22, 10062:24, 10062:36, 10062:39, 10063:7, 10063:10, 10063:17, 10073:38, 10075:10, 10075:12, 10082:24, 10091:36, 10091:47, 10097:22, 10106:24, 10115:2, 10122:15, 10122:46, 10123:35, 10126:16 effective [3] - 10038:43, 10047:37, 10051:5 effectively [3] - 10114:38, 10114:45, 10115:10 Eggins [2] - 10032:15 eight [2] - 10097:45, 10101:19 either [8] - 10043:19, 10055:44, 10073:46, 10106:5, 10108:43, 10120:44, 10129:2, 10130:31 ejaculated [2] - 10099:25, 10099:45 elderly [1] - 10033:24 eldest [2] - 10071:3, 10107:39 electric [1] - 10090:47 elicit [1] - 10128:19 email [11] - 10039:40, 10040:10, 10041:7, 10041:18, 10041:29, 10041:31, 10042:38, 10042:40, 10043:15, 10043:30, 10047:32 embarrassed [2] 10070:45, 10091:30 emerged [1] - 10046:7 emotional [4] - 10039:20, 10066:35, 10086:43, 10087:22 emotionally [2] - 10038:1, 10074:23 emphasis [1] - 10023:34 employed [3] - 10030:32, 10034:16, 10040:1 employer [5] - 10118:15, 10118:27, 10118:33, 10118:36, 10118:38 employment [3] 10028:42, 10118:31, 10119:18 enable [1] - 10045:30 end [14] - 10048:7, 10052:21, 10055:12, 10056:36, 10062:16, 10063:23, 10067:14, 10079:24, 10084:35, 10085:5, 10091:2, 10096:22, 10101:46, 10128:4 ended [6] - 10064:32, 10068:13, 10070:8, 10070:30, 10094:16, 10101:44 endure [2] - 10043:12, 10043:38 energy [1] - 10067:13 engage [1] - 10128:32 engaged [2] - 10076:28, 10116:7 ENGLAND [6] - 10022:6, 10050:14, 10071:41, 10079:45, 10110:47, 10130:18 England [2] - 10050:9, 10050:11 enjoyment [1] - 10076:29 ensuite [1] - 10056:4 ensure [5] - 10024:41, 10050:35, 10088:34, 10096:39, 10104:16 ensuring [1] - 10050:21 entered [1] - 10091:14 entitled [1] - 10049:3 environment [1] - 10115:9 episode [1] - 10086:35 episodes [1] - 10029:34 error [1] - 10130:8 escape [1] - 10065:5 escaped [2] - 10076:5, 10106:38 especially [4] - 10068:35, 10088:15, 10110:32, 10110:37 essence [2] - 10119:40, 10125:43 essentially [3] - 10119:47, 10127:23, 10129:2 establish [2] - 10040:32, 10068:23 established [4] 10024:19, 10034:40, 10037:22, 10113:2 establishment [1] 10025:9 esteem [1] - 10065:25 estimate [5] - 10045:10, 10047:14, 10047:15, 10074:36, 10100:35 estimated [2] - 10039:37, 10045:10 Evangelos [1] - 10034:17 event [2] - 10109:9, 10120:12 events [9] - 10031:42, 10075:33, 10079:6, 10086:15, 10086:21, 10086:34, 10087:4, 10110:10, 10120:38 eventually [3] - 10058:37, 10067:10, 10087:34 evidence [89] - 10023:17, 10023:20, 10023:43, 10024:4, 10025:41, 10025:43, 10025:46, 10026:3, 10026:7, 10026:17, 10026:27, 10026:31, 10026:32, 10026:34, 10026:40, 10026:43, 10027:3, 10027:6, 10027:18, 10027:21, 10027:36, 10027:38, 10027:40, 10027:45, 10028:1, 10028:6, 10028:9, 10028:12, 10028:24, 10028:28, 10028:30, 10028:35, 10028:38, 10029:1, 10029:20, 10029:23, 10030:8, 10031:10, 10031:13, 10031:32, 10033:17, 10033:40, 10035:11, 10035:12, 10035:46, 10035:47, 10038:26, 10039:3, 10041:37, 10042:17, 10043:43, 10046:15, 10046:17, 10046:22, 10048:24, 10048:32, 10048:36, 10049:8, 10049:44, 10050:17, 10053:23, 10064:15, 10071:35, 10072:36, 10073:32, 10077:45, 10078:2, 10078:22, 10079:38, 10080:29, 10085:38, 10086:19, 10089:9, 10097:3, 10097:14, 10105:35, 10112:35, 10113:47, 10116:40, 10117:2, 10118:14, 10120:34, 10121:41, 10122:5, 10122:11, 10122:42, 10124:47, 10126:19, 10129:35 evil [3] - 10057:20, 10057:31, 10063:8 ex [6] - 10085:7, 10107:47, 10108:1, 10108:5, 10108:6, 10108:9 ex-husband [6] - 10085:7, 10107:47, 10108:1, 10108:5, 10108:6, 10108:9 exacerbated [1] - 10051:9 exactly [2] - 10068:33, 10099:3 exaggerated [1] 10040:17 EXAMINATION [4] 10051:30, 10073:3, 10105:10, 10111:14 examination [3] 10050:41, 10050:46, .22/10/2014 (96) 10126:24 examinations [2] 10102:26, 10117:41 examine [1] - 10051:14 examined [6] - 10024:8, 10064:18, 10109:9, 10109:43, 10110:20, 10126:27 examining [3] - 10024:6, 10050:3, 10051:19 example [1] - 10040:20 examples [1] - 10070:40 excellent [1] - 10033:36 except [1] - 10074:13 exceptionally [1] 10065:46 excess [2] - 10041:19, 10128:28 excessive [1] - 10070:9 excessively [2] 10085:15, 10085:23 exchange [1] - 10059:41 excluding [2] - 10048:6, 10068:40 excuse [1] - 10059:4 excused [3] - 10071:46, 10080:1, 10111:5 excuses [1] - 10103:10 exhibit [9] - 10049:34, 10052:7, 10073:18, 10080:17, 10088:47, 10097:7, 10104:42, 10111:29, 10129:32 EXHIBIT [8] - 10049:36, 10052:9, 10073:20, 10080:19, 10089:2, 10097:9, 10105:22, 10111:31 existence [1] - 10093:36 exists [1] - 10031:29 expect [2] - 10051:3, 10096:19 expectation [2] - 10110:4, 10116:10 expectations [1] 10088:3 expected [3] - 10029:1, 10096:23, 10116:35 expects [1] - 10024:7 expeditiously [1] 10047:46 expensive [2] - 10038:1, 10047:36 experience [27] 10023:24, 10025:42, 10026:23, 10026:25, 10027:12, 10027:14, 10027:32, 10039:12, 10051:2, 10051:10, 10055:40, 10057:5, 10073:46, 10076:13, 10078:2, 10083:19, 10087:23, 10103:4, 10110:23, 10110:26, 10114:1, 10116:33, 10116:35, 10116:45, 10117:8, 10117:30, 10118:14 experienced [4] 10048:13, 10076:24, 10094:31, 10095:23 experiences [7] 10043:11, 10043:37, 10050:29, 10086:40, 10087:26, 10116:36, 10117:34 experts" [1] - 10116:18 explain [5] - 10110:28, 10114:5, 10114:8, 10117:11, 10129:28 explained [2] - 10096:13, 10104:6 explaining [2] - 10066:22, 10067:2 explanation [1] - 10117:14 explore [3] - 10024:13, 10026:27, 10047:45 explored [2] - 10024:4, 10045:14 expressed [4] - 10029:37, 10041:46, 10118:31, 10118:39 expressing [1] - 10044:45 extended [4] - 10025:29, 10025:32, 10035:38, 10109:41 extends [1] - 10123:3 extension [3] - 10048:29, 10120:2, 10120:12 extra [1] - 10066:15 extremely [7] - 10028:35, 10047:36, 10079:1, 10086:35, 10087:36, 10107:24, 10110:23 eyes [1] - 10099:22 F face [11] - 10026:15, 10056:29, 10058:23, 10059:23, 10060:5, 10060:36, 10061:8, 10070:39, 10070:40, 10078:4, 10106:25 faced [1] - 10117:8 faces [1] - 10078:5 faces" [1] - 10039:1 facility [1] - 10024:41 facing [1] - 10025:12 FACS [1] - 10088:10 fact [8] - 10033:23, 10033:34, 10041:25, 10043:24, 10065:36, 10118:26, 10122:7, 10122:16 facto [1] - 10058:45 factor [1] - 10118:28 fail [1] - 10047:36 failed [3] - 10076:33, 10108:25, 10110:15 failing [1] - 10078:29 failings [1] - 10050:21 failure [1] - 10062:4 11 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation failures [1] - 10034:6 fair [4] - 10057:46, 10070:27, 10120:30, 10128:38 fairly [1] - 10125:33 faith [1] - 10065:40 families [1] - 10023:14 Family [4] - 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10050:34, 10095:40 G gained [1] - 10119:18 12 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation games [1] - 10103:15 gaol [13] - 10077:1, 10077:30, 10078:7, 10078:24, 10085:1, 10093:15, 10094:17, 10094:43, 10095:2, 10101:17, 10106:8, 10107:39, 10109:34 garden [1] - 10054:25 gathered" [1] - 10030:41 general [2] - 10112:5, 10125:30 generosity [1] - 10071:24 genitals [1] - 10100:30 genuine [1] - 10029:33 GERACE [1] - 10022:21 Gibson [81] - 10023:1, 10023:19, 10026:33, 10026:34, 10026:41, 10027:13, 10027:22, 10027:24, 10027:27, 10027:39, 10027:41, 10028:13, 10028:19, 10029:14, 10029:16, 10029:24, 10029:39, 10031:25, 10032:2, 10032:10, 10032:25, 10032:35, 10032:39, 10033:5, 10033:6, 10033:7, 10033:12, 10033:41, 10034:4, 10034:5, 10039:21, 10039:24, 10041:27, 10041:34, 10041:37, 10054:37, 10064:11, 10064:17, 10074:22, 10074:29, 10074:37, 10074:45, 10075:23, 10075:34, 10076:29, 10077:38, 10077:40, 10078:7, 10078:30, 10079:15, 10081:21, 10085:36, 10086:18, 10090:14, 10095:38, 10098:14, 10098:16, 10098:44, 10099:4, 10099:9, 10099:13, 10099:18, 10099:23, 10099:34, 10099:36, 10100:3, 10100:8, 10100:28, 10100:31, 10100:35, 10100:41, 10101:2, 10101:10, 10101:12, 10101:17, 10102:15, 10102:25, 10103:19, 10103:35, 10118:47 Gibson's [4] - 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10115:13 included [2] - 10062:11, 10090:20 includes [2] - 10115:15, 10115:16 including [14] - 10024:9, 10026:14, 10027:29, 10027:41, 10028:39, 10031:1, 10031:17, 10036:40, 10038:34, 10045:10, 10048:26, 10077:24, 10107:38, 10119:31 increased [1] - 10079:3 incurred [1] - 10113:5 indecency [3] - 10032:43, 10032:45, 10033:1 indecently [1] - 10032:11 independent [1] - 10041:8 indicate [1] - 10048:29 indicated [5] - 10033:16, 10037:34, 10041:45, 10044:5, 10127:41 indication [1] - 10120:6 indifferent [1] - 10055:24 individual [2] - 10045:5, 10129:13 individually [1] - 10129:16 inference [1] - 10033:33 inflicted [1] - 10084:46 inform [1] - 10112:34 information [2] 10029:10, 10030:41 informed [5] - 10095:32, 10105:2, 10106:8, 10109:24, 10129:39 informing [1] - 10109:39 Ingram [1] - 10045:28 initial [2] - 10030:1, 10039:43 injected [1] - 10107:24 injuries [1] - 10084:46 injury [3] - 10039:19, 10108:8, 10110:1 inquire [1] - 10023:23 inquiries [1] - 10029:37 inquiring [1] - 10037:46 inside [6] - 10055:20, 10059:13, 10061:42, 10061:43, 10065:30, 10102:33 insisted [2] - 10059:7, 10062:25 inspected [1] - 10024:40 instances [1] - 10026:13 institution [1] - 10025:13 INSTITUTIONAL [1] 10021:12 Institutional [6] 10053:24, 10073:33, 10080:30, 10089:10, 10097:15, 10105:36 instruct [2] - 10043:20, 10047:6 instructed [4] - 10039:33, 10047:40, 10047:44, 10059:18 instructing [2] - 10059:37, 10080:13 instructions [15] 10035:28, 10036:39, 10043:29, 10043:31, 10043:32, 10045:16, 10045:19, 10045:29, 10045:45, 10046:9, 10046:26, 10046:46, 10048:11, 10128:23, 10129:12 integrity [1] - 10033:37 intending [1] - 10035:23 intention [1] - 10047:2 intercourse [7] 10026:17, 10026:42, 10027:43, 10074:40, 10076:28, 10076:30, 10078:9 interest [2] - 10077:32, 10119:26 interested [4] - 10037:38, 10039:34, 10119:28, 10128:34 interference [1] 10040:26 14 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation interfering [1] - 10101:39 interlocutory [2] 10036:40, 10119:30 interrupted [1] - 10027:26 interview [15] - 10027:5, 10029:14, 10029:28, 10029:31, 10029:44, 10030:1, 10030:3, 10030:10, 10030:15, 10032:6, 10032:9, 10075:44, 10095:13, 10095:16 interviewed [3] - 10030:2, 10032:22, 10032:29 intimacy [1] - 10028:41 intimidating [1] - 10068:7 INTO [1] - 10021:12 intoxicated [1] - 10103:12 investigate [1] - 10031:7 investigated [1] - 10032:4 investigation [5] 10030:35, 10032:4, 10032:30, 10044:25, 10103:19 investigations [5] 10039:13, 10046:15, 10121:42, 10121:45, 10122:1 investigator [4] - 10042:8, 10046:14, 10120:34, 10120:35 invite [9] - 10022:31, 10047:7, 10047:38, 10052:43, 10053:17, 10073:30, 10080:24, 10089:4, 10105:32 involved [7] - 10023:2, 10074:18, 10076:16, 10078:17, 10091:1, 10102:19, 10117:16 involving [1] - 10045:4 iron [2] - 10070:37, 10081:33 ironing [1] - 10070:36 isolated [2] - 10058:34, 10065:10 issue [14] - 10036:13, 10043:5, 10043:17, 10044:11, 10046:9, 10050:46, 10066:47, 10068:12, 10112:9, 10119:20, 10124:41, 10125:5, 10125:13, 10127:31 issued [6] - 10025:5, 10035:7, 10046:21, 10118:15, 10118:27, 10127:15 issues [6] - 10024:8, 10038:45, 10038:47, 10077:8, 10079:2, 10096:2 it" [1] - 10091:37 J jackaroo [1] - 10059:2 Jackson [1] - 10025:39 JANET [2] - 10111:12, 10111:31 Janet [5] - 10022:22, 10034:36, 10049:9, 10111:9, 10111:17 January [1] - 10025:31 jeans [1] - 10099:19 jigsaw [1] - 10075:38 job [5] - 10068:47, 10076:41, 10090:44, 10118:33, 10119:19 jobs [4] - 10065:6, 10091:5, 10093:22, 10101:26 JODIE [2] - 10073:1, 10073:20 Jodie [20] - 10026:30, 10029:22, 10031:46, 10032:40, 10033:5, 10033:10, 10034:46, 10039:13, 10039:23, 10039:26, 10049:8, 10072:3, 10072:43, 10073:6, 10073:41, 10079:47, 10084:23, 10084:30, 10084:34, 10084:35 John [3] - 10032:29, 10069:4, 10115:45 Johnson [5] - 10034:10, 10034:21, 10086:1, 10086:9, 10086:14 joinder [1] - 10112:28 judge [7] - 10035:45, 10036:4, 10046:8, 10046:30, 10046:36, 10047:1 Judge [8] - 10112:25, 10112:26, 10121:36, 10125:44, 10126:12, 10126:23, 10127:32, 10127:33 judging [1] - 10067:31 judgment [3] - 10045:35, 10046:36, 10047:21 judicial [2] - 10035:15, 10039:31 jug [6] - 10065:17, 10070:39, 10083:26, 10091:1, 10091:11, 10106:35 July [8] - 10034:31, 10040:9, 10042:38, 10047:40, 10047:43, 10078:12, 10109:44, 10109:47 jumped [1] - 10055:21 jumpsuit [1] - 10100:11 June [18] - 10025:15, 10032:5, 10034:13, 10034:20, 10036:3, 10036:7, 10036:18, 10036:21, 10039:16, 10039:30, 10039:41, 10039:47, 10042:16, 10045:16, 10047:24, 10047:32, 10112:29, 10112:31 Jungfer [4] - 10086:26, 10110:21, 10116:32, 10116:42 junior [4] - 10035:4, 10037:14, 10047:34, 10116:3 jury [2] - 10039:25, 10041:27 Justice [2] - 10021:33, 10049:14 justice [7] - 10034:42, 10067:25, 10068:10, 10069:20, 10079:21, 10088:28, 10113:4 K Kate [5] - 10072:45, 10081:40, 10098:23, 10099:33, 10105:25 KATHLEEN [2] 10051:28, 10052:9 Kathleen [21] - 10026:2, 10032:36, 10033:22, 10033:31, 10033:35, 10034:46, 10035:10, 10042:42, 10042:47, 10043:6, 10044:11, 10044:29, 10044:47, 10045:34, 10048:18, 10049:8, 10051:24, 10051:39, 10053:28, 10071:45, 10126:16 Kathryn [1] - 10039:47 Kaye [1] - 10029:43 keep [4] - 10049:3, 10060:23, 10067:9, 10067:13 keeping [1] - 10025:21 Kell [1] - 10022:13 Kelly [2] - 10032:6, 10034:13 Kempsey [1] - 10093:16 kept [10] - 10055:3, 10055:20, 10058:25, 10070:46, 10079:33, 10079:36, 10091:16, 10102:35, 10105:2, 10107:6 Kevin [1] - 10082:46 kicked [1] - 10063:45 kidney [1] - 10062:4 kids [13] - 10069:22, 10069:24, 10069:42, 10069:43, 10070:7, 10075:38, 10084:20, 10090:27, 10090:44, 10098:9, 10098:47, 10099:33, 10104:17 kindergarten [1] 10098:44 kinds [1] - 10086:39 kiss [7] - 10027:26, 10040:22, 10056:25, 10056:39, 10060:5, .22/10/2014 (96) 10061:2, 10082:23 kissing [1] - 10040:13 kitchen [1] - 10060:12 KL [1] - 10030:31 knee [1] - 10060:2 knees [1] - 10062:35 Knight [20] - 10022:19, 10028:23, 10028:34, 10030:27, 10030:40, 10031:24, 10032:31, 10034:47, 10040:12, 10040:17, 10040:28, 10043:6, 10049:9, 10049:11, 10104:33, 10104:34, 10105:13, 10105:33, 10105:40, 10117:2 KNIGHT [2] - 10105:8, 10105:22 Knight" [1] - 10030:34 Knight's [1] - 10030:28 knitted [1] - 10100:11 knock [1] - 10040:39 knocked [2] - 10056:9, 10059:35 knocking [2] - 10060:38, 10077:24 knowing [3] - 10067:19, 10070:44, 10103:38 knowledge [12] - 10034:7, 10053:26, 10054:29, 10073:34, 10080:33, 10089:13, 10097:18, 10105:37, 10116:6, 10119:27, 10125:20, 10129:43 known [3] - 10023:6, 10083:16, 10084:13 knows [3] - 10058:31, 10064:29, 10095:10 Knox [4] - 10035:45, 10036:4, 10112:27 Kylie [1] - 10032:8 L lack [3] - 10033:23, 10036:28, 10095:44 ladies [2] - 10050:12, 10129:44 lady [2] - 10063:13, 10068:42 laid [2] - 10029:46, 10064:21 Land [1] - 10074:47 Lands [2] - 10024:32, 10025:5 language [1] - 10114:9 lap [3] - 10059:4, 10059:7, 10059:21 large [4] - 10075:4, 10077:34, 10098:7, 10110:33 last [11] - 10056:43, 10057:4, 10063:4, 10071:8, 10085:11, 10085:14, 10095:38, 10103:31, 10104:37, 10104:38, 10110:32 lasted [1] - 10084:41 late [8] - 10027:47, 10028:1, 10028:3, 10032:16, 10066:28, 10079:25, 10100:9, 10100:18 launch [1] - 10046:46 laundry [3] - 10060:11, 10060:12, 10092:7 law [3] - 10029:39, 10115:13, 10115:14 lawyer [1] - 10067:44 lawyers [15] - 10037:39, 10038:14, 10038:44, 10066:35, 10066:44, 10068:32, 10068:40, 10069:8, 10078:28, 10079:3, 10086:10, 10087:4, 10087:9, 10103:43, 10110:17 lay [11] - 10055:17, 10055:27, 10055:28, 10055:32, 10063:41, 10099:13, 10099:19, 10099:21, 10099:37, 10099:39, 10106:21 lead [3] - 10026:25, 10037:29, 10116:2 leading [3] - 10060:12, 10091:29, 10129:25 leap [1] - 10040:24 learn [2] - 10050:34, 10065:5 learned [6] - 10022:13, 10024:30, 10026:47, 10055:39, 10075:19, 10086:5 lease [3] - 10024:20, 10025:31, 10025:32 least [8] - 10023:4, 10029:3, 10039:42, 10041:23, 10044:7, 10044:47, 10119:29, 10122:17 leave [13] - 10022:9, 10022:13, 10022:22, 10022:24, 10031:8, 10046:47, 10057:29, 10063:11, 10063:36, 10092:36, 10106:27, 10127:46, 10128:3 leaving [7] - 10063:23, 10065:6, 10085:10, 10097:36, 10097:41, 10107:17, 10108:22 led [2] - 10028:18, 10070:9 Lee [1] - 10066:4 left [22] - 10026:36, 10055:4, 10056:43, 10058:25, 10062:2, 10062:7, 10062:8, 10062:17, 10062:19, 10065:20, 10068:27, 15 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 10070:39, 10074:5, 10074:16, 10074:27, 10076:38, 10092:33, 10093:28, 10100:32, 10101:22, 10101:34, 10106:45 Legal [54] - 10034:37, 10034:38, 10035:2, 10035:21, 10035:32, 10036:26, 10036:32, 10037:15, 10037:45, 10038:6, 10038:10, 10038:35, 10043:3, 10043:7, 10044:1, 10044:23, 10044:34, 10066:7, 10066:8, 10069:8, 10078:28, 10079:32, 10079:36, 10083:1, 10086:10, 10087:35, 10095:33, 10095:43, 10096:13, 10096:26, 10103:43, 10104:6, 10104:22, 10104:47, 10106:40, 10109:15, 10109:36, 10110:13, 10110:20, 10110:26, 10112:47, 10113:5, 10113:8, 10113:28, 10114:19, 10114:20, 10114:45, 10114:47, 10115:34, 10121:40, 10127:18, 10129:39, 10129:43, 10130:7 legal [17] - 10034:39, 10034:41, 10038:45, 10038:46, 10038:47, 10045:8, 10045:12, 10066:21, 10066:42, 10113:1, 10113:2, 10113:5, 10114:29, 10116:18, 10127:2, 10127:29, 10130:4 legally [1] - 10113:38 legislation [1] - 10048:44 legitimate [1] - 10033:32 legs [7] - 10055:13, 10061:34, 10061:36, 10075:7, 10091:4, 10098:32, 10100:16 length [1] - 10072:9 lengthy [3] - 10035:8, 10117:28, 10117:32 LEONIE [2] - 10105:8, 10105:22 Leonie [15] - 10028:23, 10030:27, 10030:34, 10030:40, 10031:24, 10032:31, 10034:47, 10040:12, 10040:17, 10040:28, 10043:6, 10049:9, 10104:33, 10105:13, 10105:40 less [2] - 10068:6, 10110:40 letter [9] - 10031:23, 10036:7, 10037:9, 10037:12, 10037:19, 10037:35, 10038:20, 10038:30, 10043:6 letters [1] - 10114:8 letting [1] - 10087:41 Level [1] - 10021:21 liability [6] - 10039:1, 10039:17, 10045:32, 10046:38, 10047:11, 10118:42 liable [2] - 10034:5, 10034:6 liar [8] - 10026:10, 10066:36, 10066:38, 10067:6, 10086:46, 10095:25, 10095:26, 10100:24 liars [2] - 10057:17, 10067:23 licence [3] - 10025:18, 10025:34, 10078:14 licensed [2] - 10023:5, 10025:36 licensing [1] - 10024:42 licked [1] - 10060:4 lie [2] - 10055:38, 10058:24 lied [1] - 10057:21 lies" [1] - 10030:16 lies' [1] - 10056:14 life [33] - 10070:11, 10070:26, 10071:17, 10071:19, 10071:27, 10077:3, 10077:14, 10077:32, 10077:33, 10077:34, 10078:39, 10084:5, 10084:6, 10085:24, 10086:25, 10086:32, 10087:29, 10089:19, 10093:35, 10093:46, 10094:8, 10094:10, 10094:25, 10096:35, 10101:40, 10107:34, 10107:43, 10107:44, 10108:18, 10108:22, 10108:28, 10108:36, 10108:40 lifted [2] - 10056:8, 10108:9 light [4] - 10033:15, 10056:36, 10056:38, 10056:41 likely [5] - 10046:8, 10047:36, 10120:8, 10121:23, 10127:42 limit [1] - 10095:47 Limitation [3] - 10035:36, 10119:32, 10120:12 limitation [33] - 10024:10, 10034:29, 10035:24, 10035:29, 10035:37, 10036:41, 10040:40, 10041:19, 10041:41, 10042:17, 10042:20, 10043:5, 10043:17, 10043:25, 10043:30, 10044:7, 10044:10, 10044:20, 10044:29, 10044:46, 10046:9, 10046:10, 10046:27, 10046:42, 10048:30, 10067:1, 10067:4, 10067:17, 10067:39, 10068:34, 10120:1, 10120:7, 10125:11 limited [3] - 10065:6, 10114:2, 10114:21 limits [1] - 10078:32 Lisarow [1] - 10101:33 list [1] - 10039:38 listed [4] - 10035:14, 10036:45, 10039:30, 10042:15 listen [2] - 10050:18, 10051:34 listening [1] - 10119:40 listing [1] - 10041:17 litigant [6] - 10024:2, 10024:9, 10037:27, 10048:32, 10048:33, 10111:41 litigation [55] - 10022:41, 10023:36, 10024:3, 10024:6, 10024:9, 10024:11, 10026:27, 10033:44, 10037:47, 10048:25, 10050:31, 10050:33, 10050:42, 10051:2, 10051:4, 10051:8, 10066:23, 10066:30, 10066:41, 10067:8, 10067:27, 10067:28, 10069:35, 10070:43, 10070:46, 10071:32, 10079:20, 10087:22, 10087:29, 10087:33, 10088:4, 10088:9, 10096:14, 10096:20, 10096:34, 10104:11, 10104:18, 10110:19, 10110:29, 10110:31, 10113:7, 10113:11, 10113:38, 10114:6, 10114:24, 10114:36, 10114:37, 10114:45, 10114:47, 10117:29, 10117:31, 10117:47, 10118:19, 10119:13, 10119:30 live [12] - 10033:25, 10054:13, 10058:37, 10063:28, 10081:8, 10084:26, 10085:6, 10087:14, 10097:46, 10100:33, 10101:22, 10105:47 lived [24] - 10040:5, 10054:20, 10054:37, 10070:26, 10074:8, 10076:11, 10077:17, 10077:33, 10081:23, 10081:25, 10084:12, 10084:36, 10087:13, 10089:18, 10090:13, 10090:14, 10097:26, 10097:44, 10098:8, .22/10/2014 (96) 10098:14, 10105:47, 10106:1, 10113:43, 10114:12 lives [6] - 10028:39, 10050:29, 10071:14, 10087:19, 10093:14, 10107:39 living [14] - 10053:46, 10054:10, 10054:34, 10058:16, 10064:32, 10069:23, 10069:47, 10075:23, 10077:34, 10081:11, 10084:35, 10098:25, 10101:32 Lloyd [16] - 10021:39, 10022:25, 10049:30, 10051:36, 10052:45, 10072:18, 10088:34, 10096:39, 10104:28, 10112:20, 10119:25, 10122:21, 10123:12, 10124:31, 10125:39, 10130:28 LLOYD [68] - 10022:1, 10022:27, 10022:36, 10049:22, 10049:32, 10049:38, 10049:47, 10050:8, 10051:24, 10051:30, 10051:38, 10051:47, 10052:5, 10052:12, 10053:1, 10053:8, 10053:13, 10053:17, 10071:35, 10072:3, 10072:16, 10072:22, 10072:27, 10072:34, 10072:39, 10072:43, 10073:3, 10073:5, 10073:14, 10073:23, 10079:38, 10080:5, 10080:24, 10088:38, 10089:4, 10096:42, 10104:31, 10104:41, 10105:10, 10105:12, 10105:25, 10110:43, 10111:9, 10111:14, 10111:16, 10111:27, 10111:34, 10112:22, 10112:34, 10112:41, 10115:44, 10119:36, 10119:43, 10122:25, 10122:30, 10122:35, 10123:16, 10123:21, 10123:27, 10123:33, 10123:38, 10124:6, 10124:33, 10124:40, 10125:41, 10128:15, 10130:13, 10130:30 local [3] - 10024:22, 10024:37, 10076:45 locate [9] - 10042:10, 10042:11, 10046:16, 10122:2, 10122:18, 10126:31, 10126:36, 10127:24 located [9] - 10032:6, 10054:31, 10098:4, 10113:42, 10113:44, 10122:37, 10123:21, 10124:34, 10130:34 locked [4] - 10056:24, 10060:37, 10060:47, 10106:7 lodged [1] - 10127:42 logistical [3] - 10113:39, 10113:40, 10129:18 logistically [1] - 10113:38 lollies [3] - 10099:10, 10099:12, 10099:35 look [16] - 10061:27, 10062:30, 10062:38, 10063:32, 10076:15, 10076:32, 10081:9, 10091:30, 10093:38, 10094:19, 10102:1, 10107:37, 10108:25, 10122:40, 10125:20, 10130:3 looked [3] - 10063:16, 10078:26, 10087:39 looking [14] - 10041:11, 10053:2, 10061:29, 10064:2, 10066:36, 10077:19, 10086:37, 10089:26, 10092:21, 10107:22, 10111:42, 10112:13, 10112:14, 10112:15 looks [1] - 10124:28 Lord [1] - 10064:29 lose [1] - 10068:35 losing [1] - 10118:33 lost [5] - 10046:17, 10054:23, 10068:14, 10077:42, 10110:32 loud [1] - 10060:38 loudly [1] - 10055:24 LOUGHMAN [2] 10111:12, 10111:31 Loughman [17] 10022:22, 10034:37, 10049:9, 10111:9, 10111:17, 10111:34, 10112:44, 10119:45, 10122:32, 10123:41, 10124:10, 10124:35, 10124:45, 10128:16, 10129:31, 10130:14, 10130:32 Loughman's [1] 10124:30 lounge [3] - 10055:11, 10055:14, 10055:36 love [4] - 10057:44, 10058:34, 10069:24, 10071:24 loved [3] - 10054:24, 10071:20, 10080:40 low [2] - 10059:25, 10065:25 lunch [1] - 10072:37 luncheon [2] - 10072:19, 10072:29 LUNCHEON [1] 10072:41 16 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation Lupus [2] - 10103:24, 10103:26 lying [3] - 10057:10, 10106:23, 10106:25 lying" [1] - 10092:1 M machine [1] - 10092:8 Macquarie [1] - 10021:21 Madden [17] - 10029:7, 10029:28, 10029:36, 10030:12, 10030:21, 10032:23, 10032:24, 10039:8, 10039:9, 10039:11, 10075:27, 10083:4, 10083:6, 10089:42, 10121:24, 10121:27, 10125:23 Madden's [1] - 10030:18 magistrate [1] - 10024:29 main [4] - 10054:34, 10054:40, 10054:41, 10074:8 Maitland [3] - 10084:12, 10084:17, 10084:30 major [1] - 10065:28 majority [1] - 10037:37 man [8] - 10056:38, 10068:29, 10069:36, 10070:3, 10071:25, 10089:42, 10090:20, 10101:42 man's [1] - 10071:27 managed [1] - 10126:31 manager [1] - 10030:44 manner [4] - 10024:1, 10024:18, 10040:21, 10041:24 Manollaras [33] 10034:17, 10035:3, 10036:20, 10037:3, 10037:9, 10037:12, 10037:19, 10039:5, 10039:33, 10039:41, 10040:9, 10040:11, 10040:16, 10040:31, 10040:36, 10040:42, 10041:2, 10041:5, 10041:7, 10041:11, 10041:16, 10041:18, 10041:29, 10041:40, 10042:29, 10042:38, 10042:40, 10042:45, 10043:14, 10043:35, 10043:42, 10045:23, 10046:41 Manollaras' [1] - 10041:44 March [10] - 10024:46, 10025:2, 10029:7, 10029:16, 10030:15, 10039:7, 10039:11, 10041:29, 10105:42, 10121:28 Margaret [1] - 10085:47 Marie [1] - 10109:43 marijuana [1] - 10107:18 Marilyn [4] - 10063:13, 10063:14, 10063:19, 10063:26 mark [1] - 10042:33 markets [1] - 10062:30 marriage [3] - 10084:41, 10084:43, 10086:7 married [8] - 10062:6, 10063:34, 10084:39, 10090:17, 10097:47, 10098:16, 10101:20, 10107:46 Mary [1] - 10048:13 matter [23] - 10029:41, 10031:14, 10031:33, 10035:11, 10037:10, 10038:27, 10038:38, 10042:18, 10044:38, 10045:20, 10046:1, 10047:26, 10047:34, 10047:43, 10047:46, 10066:26, 10076:26, 10101:12, 10114:42, 10115:15, 10117:35, 10117:46, 10121:4 matter" [1] - 10047:30 matters [7] - 10023:24, 10033:25, 10035:47, 10036:40, 10039:32, 10041:17, 10113:33 maximum [1] - 10048:42 Maxwell [13] - 10042:8, 10046:14, 10046:22, 10120:35, 10120:38, 10122:10, 10122:16, 10122:23, 10123:19, 10124:3, 10126:23, 10126:40, 10127:22 Maxwell's [4] - 10121:24, 10121:41, 10124:46, 10125:7 McClellan [1] - 10021:33 McClung [1] - 10124:42 McMahon [2] - 10029:43, 10029:44 meals [1] - 10087:41 mean [1] - 10127:8 meaning [1] - 10035:35 meaningful [1] - 10068:44 means [2] - 10118:6, 10124:15 mediate [6] - 10038:35, 10038:36, 10042:26, 10044:6, 10048:31, 10117:36 mediating [2] - 10038:37, 10044:3 mediation [48] - 10023:38, 10023:40, 10037:27, 10037:47, 10038:7, 10038:11, 10038:21, 10038:24, 10038:42, 10039:32, 10039:34, 10042:22, 10043:8, 10043:9, 10043:16, 10043:21, 10043:26, 10043:33, 10043:36, 10043:39, 10044:2, 10044:46, 10047:8, 10047:35, 10047:45, 10048:10, 10048:12, 10048:14, 10048:15, 10052:36, 10068:32, 10068:38, 10068:42, 10071:7, 10078:45, 10087:40, 10088:11, 10117:20, 10117:32, 10128:5, 10128:12, 10128:18, 10129:3, 10129:7, 10129:16, 10129:23, 10129:25 mediator [1] - 10048:14 medical [3] - 10038:26, 10062:13, 10102:26 medication [4] - 10062:12, 10068:20, 10071:10, 10103:26 medico [1] - 10116:18 medico-legal [1] 10116:18 meds [1] - 10058:9 meet [5] - 10044:26, 10114:25, 10117:42, 10125:15, 10128:31 meeting [3] - 10083:11, 10086:14, 10130:10 meetings [2] - 10079:11, 10110:17 members [2] - 10078:5, 10106:18 memoranda [1] 10032:23 memorandum [11] 10029:29, 10029:30, 10030:12, 10030:25, 10030:33, 10030:34, 10033:29, 10045:7, 10045:9, 10045:29, 10047:5 memories [7] - 10028:7, 10068:19, 10079:7, 10087:24, 10102:41, 10103:20, 10104:45 memory [3] - 10054:4, 10055:8, 10085:31 men [2] - 10094:14, 10108:6 mental [6] - 10028:40, 10039:19, 10070:30, 10078:37, 10108:15, 10109:13 mention [1] - 10086:24 mentioned [1] - 10064:2 MENZIES [10] - 10022:12, 10022:18, 10050:40, 10071:43, 10079:43, 10104:37, 10111:2, 10130:6, 10130:20, 10130:24 Menzies [2] - 10050:8, 10050:38 merely [1] - 10128:44 meriting [1] - 10042:35 merits [1] - 10048:28 .22/10/2014 (96) met [6] - 10048:32, 10071:5, 10097:31, 10101:42, 10102:4, 10109:14 methadone [1] - 10107:19 methodology [1] 10122:40 methods [1] - 10047:26 Michael [2] - 10049:9, 10049:12 microphone [1] 10051:33 mid-2008 [1] - 10023:37 mid-40s [1] - 10064:44 middle [2] - 10074:16, 10081:37 might [32] - 10036:16, 10037:11, 10037:29, 10038:23, 10038:36, 10039:32, 10042:20, 10042:26, 10049:17, 10049:24, 10049:38, 10053:1, 10056:40, 10068:17, 10072:27, 10073:23, 10078:25, 10078:29, 10078:32, 10087:5, 10091:5, 10092:6, 10092:15, 10095:43, 10096:6, 10096:9, 10104:23, 10110:14, 10112:20, 10116:7, 10118:38, 10121:1 mile [1] - 10054:44 miles [3] - 10054:32, 10065:11, 10098:5 Millhouse [1] - 10032:8 million [3] - 10038:18, 10045:11, 10047:15 mind [5] - 10068:33, 10075:38, 10076:26, 10078:38, 10102:34 mine [3] - 10059:9, 10108:14, 10114:39 mingle [1] - 10092:47 minimise [1] - 10050:32 minimum" [1] - 10037:35 Minister [2] - 10024:21, 10025:38 minister [1] - 10037:20 minor [1] - 10092:5 minute [1] - 10072:9 minutes [3] - 10060:38, 10063:43, 10130:25 miserably [1] - 10076:33 miss [1] - 10053:41 missing [1] - 10121:24 Mission [1] - 10024:20 mission [3] - 10024:21, 10024:34, 10025:31 model [6] - 10024:2, 10024:9, 10037:27, 10048:32, 10048:33, 10111:41 moderate [1] - 10085:12 modest [2] - 10041:45, 10128:27 molested [1] - 10041:23 molesting [1] - 10100:28 moment [6] - 10087:20, 10113:40, 10123:40, 10124:2, 10124:7, 10125:42 Monaro [1] - 10060:24 monetary [1] - 10128:35 money [23] - 10041:46, 10052:30, 10061:32, 10062:25, 10062:29, 10062:30, 10063:13, 10063:25, 10067:24, 10069:10, 10069:15, 10069:17, 10078:12, 10083:42, 10088:8, 10088:9, 10088:18, 10095:38, 10096:33, 10104:23, 10110:30, 10110:31 mongrel' [1] - 10075:11 MONICA [2] - 10051:28, 10052:9 Monica [1] - 10053:28 monitoring [1] - 10023:25 month [5] - 10025:30, 10076:6, 10094:41, 10099:31, 10106:11 months [17] - 10025:17, 10027:37, 10068:16, 10069:33, 10074:6, 10075:19, 10076:10, 10076:11, 10077:30, 10084:18, 10084:29, 10085:19, 10097:30, 10097:39, 10102:11, 10121:43 months' [1] - 10038:38 Moore [46] - 10026:30, 10026:33, 10027:3, 10027:5, 10027:12, 10027:17, 10027:32, 10029:19, 10029:22, 10031:17, 10031:18, 10031:46, 10032:1, 10032:40, 10032:41, 10033:5, 10033:10, 10034:46, 10034:47, 10039:13, 10039:14, 10039:24, 10039:26, 10049:8, 10072:3, 10072:5, 10072:25, 10072:27, 10072:32, 10072:43, 10072:44, 10073:5, 10073:6, 10073:23, 10073:41, 10079:41, 10080:6, 10080:9, 10080:35, 10088:35, 10088:44, 10090:38, 10116:40, 10119:8, 10119:12 MOORE [3] - 10073:1, 10073:20, 10080:19 Moore's [1] - 10080:13 morning [11] - 10047:35, 10056:22, 10057:12, 10059:31, 10059:45, 17 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 10060:10, 10091:9, 10098:47, 10106:9, 10121:26, 10130:38 morphine [1] - 10107:18 most [15] - 10025:10, 10038:46, 10042:5, 10052:17, 10063:30, 10068:39, 10069:24, 10074:37, 10075:35, 10077:32, 10081:23, 10093:14, 10098:7, 10108:38, 10114:2 mostly [1] - 10098:28 mother [32] - 10027:20, 10028:11, 10054:5, 10058:44, 10059:22, 10059:26, 10064:33, 10070:7, 10073:45, 10080:43, 10080:45, 10081:1, 10085:27, 10089:28, 10097:26, 10097:28, 10097:36, 10097:40, 10097:41, 10097:46, 10100:33, 10101:20, 10101:23, 10101:24, 10101:28, 10101:39, 10101:41, 10102:1, 10103:33, 10106:1, 10106:8 mother's [2] - 10054:16, 10090:39 motion [32] - 10035:10, 10035:18, 10035:33, 10035:40, 10035:44, 10041:19, 10041:41, 10042:20, 10044:24, 10044:29, 10044:31, 10046:3, 10046:23, 10046:31, 10046:32, 10046:37, 10112:27, 10119:31, 10119:47, 10120:5, 10120:11, 10120:17, 10120:20, 10120:24, 10120:33, 10121:4, 10121:16, 10121:21, 10125:11, 10125:14, 10125:43, 10126:7 motions [5] - 10046:20, 10126:22, 10127:5, 10127:10, 10127:19 motivated [1] - 10037:16 motorcycle [1] - 10053:40 mouth [7] - 10026:16, 10056:26, 10056:29, 10060:4, 10060:24, 10061:2, 10061:9 move [8] - 10031:38, 10057:37, 10057:41, 10060:3, 10071:14, 10087:27, 10087:28, 10096:34 moved [18] - 10024:19, 10031:37, 10031:39, 10053:47, 10054:38, 10054:46, 10055:7, 10057:46, 10057:47, 10058:5, 10058:42, 10061:34, 10067:41, 10084:20, 10099:40, 10101:38, 10102:11 mover [1] - 10128:11 MR [78] - 10022:1, 10022:12, 10022:18, 10022:27, 10022:36, 10049:22, 10049:32, 10049:38, 10049:47, 10050:8, 10050:40, 10051:24, 10051:30, 10051:38, 10051:47, 10052:5, 10052:12, 10053:1, 10053:8, 10053:13, 10053:17, 10071:35, 10071:43, 10072:3, 10072:16, 10072:22, 10072:27, 10072:34, 10072:39, 10072:43, 10073:3, 10073:5, 10073:14, 10073:23, 10079:38, 10079:43, 10080:5, 10080:24, 10088:38, 10089:4, 10096:42, 10104:31, 10104:37, 10104:41, 10105:10, 10105:12, 10105:25, 10110:43, 10111:2, 10111:9, 10111:14, 10111:16, 10111:27, 10111:34, 10112:22, 10112:34, 10112:41, 10115:44, 10119:36, 10119:43, 10122:25, 10122:30, 10122:35, 10123:16, 10123:21, 10123:27, 10123:33, 10123:38, 10124:6, 10124:33, 10124:40, 10125:41, 10128:15, 10130:6, 10130:13, 10130:20, 10130:24, 10130:30 MS [15] - 10022:6, 10022:21, 10050:14, 10053:22, 10069:30, 10071:41, 10079:45, 10080:26, 10088:32, 10089:6, 10096:37, 10097:11, 10104:26, 10110:47, 10130:18 multiple [2] - 10077:13, 10123:3 mum [6] - 10054:21, 10054:24, 10068:22, 10074:12, 10089:35, 10098:37 Murphy [1] - 10109:43 must [1] - 10082:45 N naked [1] - 10103:1 name [15] - 10034:22, 10034:24, 10051:38, 10053:6, 10053:28, 10072:6, 10073:5, 10073:41, 10080:35, 10089:15, 10097:25, 10104:35, 10105:12, 10105:40, 10111:16 names [2] - 10122:41 Nan" [1] - 10098:12 nappy [2] - 10056:34, 10056:36 nature [3] - 10117:31, 10117:34, 10122:6 naughty [2] - 10055:26, 10055:32 near [1] - 10037:37 necessary [3] - 10044:26, 10050:2, 10114:11 neck [2] - 10027:26, 10082:23 need [10] - 10024:10, 10049:42, 10050:36, 10051:13, 10051:32, 10073:23, 10076:21, 10094:46, 10109:41, 10125:1 needed [11] - 10026:20, 10058:8, 10060:24, 10063:19, 10063:25, 10083:41, 10104:12, 10108:38, 10116:31, 10121:20, 10125:15 negative [1] - 10033:33 neighbourhood [1] 10082:8 nephew [2] - 10063:34, 10107:40 nephews [2] - 10071:17, 10071:21 nervous [3] - 10052:12, 10067:35, 10105:26 never [23] - 10050:27, 10058:30, 10060:27, 10063:7, 10064:22, 10065:11, 10065:12, 10068:24, 10069:27, 10071:14, 10082:9, 10082:12, 10083:19, 10083:30, 10083:36, 10083:39, 10084:18, 10088:27, 10092:40, 10093:12, 10094:19, 10097:30, 10100:20 New [26] - 10022:14, 10022:40, 10023:29, 10023:32, 10024:3, 10024:15, 10025:6, 10025:38, 10034:2, 10047:1, 10049:11, 10050:41, 10050:43, 10051:1, 10054:46, 10068:41, 10078:19, 10081:3, 10090:5, 10095:31, 10097:38, 10101:24, 10106:12, 10113:44, 10113:45, 10128:30 new [4] - 10024:33, 10054:40, 10054:42, .22/10/2014 (96) 10055:7 next [12] - 10033:44, 10054:42, 10058:17, 10058:20, 10059:45, 10063:37, 10080:5, 10087:28, 10088:40, 10096:44, 10105:25, 10106:9 nexus [1] - 10040:32 nice [1] - 10101:5 nickname [1] - 10090:11 niece [2] - 10064:33, 10106:16 nieces [2] - 10071:17, 10071:21 night [6] - 10029:23, 10055:8, 10056:33, 10092:19, 10092:21, 10106:7 nightmares [1] - 10108:46 nine [2] - 10054:31, 10056:33 no-one [5] - 10028:20, 10056:12, 10076:15, 10091:44, 10102:32 nobody [2] - 10094:8, 10107:15 noise [1] - 10110:24 noises [1] - 10042:26 nominated [1] - 10032:2 non [1] - 10039:23 non-admission [1] 10039:23 none [5] - 10066:43, 10067:17, 10071:1, 10071:11, 10094:39 nonetheless [1] - 10045:4 normal [4] - 10040:21, 10084:6, 10086:6, 10086:7 normally [1] - 10061:16 North [1] - 10033:39 Northern [1] - 10076:6 not-for-profit [1] 10034:39 note [2] - 10047:24, 10112:8 noted [16] - 10025:45, 10029:20, 10035:18, 10036:10, 10037:5, 10037:9, 10037:26, 10038:29, 10041:8, 10042:25, 10043:7, 10043:24, 10045:9, 10045:18, 10047:14, 10048:36 notes [4] - 10036:23, 10112:11, 10112:14, 10118:30 nothing [6] - 10026:20, 10057:16, 10063:21, 10066:15, 10094:22, 10130:11 notice [12] - 10035:33, 10035:40, 10035:44, 10047:2, 10094:5, 10104:37, 10112:27, 10120:18, 10120:20, 10121:17, 10125:10, 10125:14 notices [2] - 10046:3, 10126:7 notified [1] - 10049:1 noting [6] - 10034:21, 10036:39, 10037:47, 10043:15, 10045:24, 10047:33 November [12] 10030:43, 10032:9, 10036:47, 10037:3, 10037:5, 10037:32, 10037:44, 10045:42, 10046:4, 10046:5, 10047:47, 10080:37 nowhere [2] - 10037:37, 10057:6 NSW [8] - 10023:26, 10031:21, 10034:38, 10037:15, 10049:13, 10066:8, 10113:1 NSW' [1] - 10038:10 number [22] - 10022:38, 10022:42, 10024:8, 10025:46, 10027:28, 10029:5, 10029:13, 10032:39, 10037:36, 10042:9, 10050:32, 10057:3, 10074:39, 10094:13, 10095:2, 10098:31, 10101:25, 10113:41, 10121:47, 10123:4, 10124:19, 10127:5 numerous [1] - 10093:35 nurse [2] - 10062:6, 10101:25 nurses [1] - 10055:9 nursing [1] - 10097:42 Nyngan [3] - 10059:3, 10064:1, 10064:2 O o'clock [1] - 10130:38 objection [1] - 10044:24 objective" [1] - 10043:1 obligation [1] - 10049:2 obligations [2] 10024:10, 10048:32 obliged [1] - 10037:26 observation [2] - 10038:6, 10121:31 observations [3] 10041:32, 10042:41, 10042:46 observed [2] - 10029:31, 10040:7 obsessive [1] - 10065:32 obtain [3] - 10046:22, 10121:40, 10129:8 obtained [2] - 10024:20, 10039:8 obvious [1] - 10054:10 18 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation obviously [3] - 10113:21, 10113:41, 10125:5 occasion [15] - 10026:45, 10027:24, 10027:27, 10027:45, 10028:13, 10030:5, 10036:46, 10039:31, 10046:5, 10047:44, 10061:14, 10070:28, 10100:7, 10108:6, 10108:9 occasions [6] - 10027:40, 10029:5, 10095:3, 10097:44, 10111:41, 10114:22 occasions" [1] - 10111:45 occur [6] - 10036:18, 10048:10, 10111:23, 10114:15, 10117:32, 10117:41 occurred [8] - 10031:11, 10042:5, 10046:28, 10047:43, 10048:12, 10058:32, 10077:41, 10110:10 occurred" [1] - 10029:34 October [16] - 10021:27, 10025:2, 10025:37, 10030:47, 10033:4, 10036:31, 10036:33, 10036:38, 10036:46, 10045:34, 10045:37, 10051:41, 10064:16, 10077:19, 10105:15, 10111:19 OCTOBER [2] - 10052:10, 10130:41 OF [7] - 10052:9, 10073:20, 10080:19, 10089:2, 10097:9, 10105:22, 10111:31 offences [6] - 10032:39, 10033:8, 10033:10, 10033:13, 10078:8, 10078:15 offender [1] - 10032:2 offenders [1] - 10109:19 offer [23] - 10037:40, 10040:46, 10044:35, 10044:39, 10044:42, 10044:45, 10045:17, 10045:34, 10045:39, 10045:43, 10045:46, 10047:20, 10059:23, 10059:25, 10069:5, 10128:19, 10128:24, 10128:27, 10128:33, 10128:35, 10128:44, 10129:12, 10129:24 offer" [1] - 10047:38 offering [1] - 10099:35 offers [7] - 10036:42, 10045:5, 10045:13, 10045:30, 10069:3, 10128:18, 10129:13 office [5] - 10026:18, 10031:23, 10063:12, 10123:41, 10126:36 Office [68] - 10034:15, 10034:16, 10034:20, 10035:3, 10035:7, 10035:22, 10035:23, 10035:27, 10036:6, 10036:12, 10036:15, 10036:20, 10036:27, 10036:31, 10036:34, 10036:39, 10037:5, 10037:45, 10038:4, 10038:5, 10038:20, 10038:29, 10038:33, 10038:42, 10039:7, 10039:37, 10039:46, 10042:13, 10042:24, 10042:29, 10042:40, 10043:4, 10043:16, 10043:20, 10043:29, 10044:1, 10044:38, 10044:41, 10045:10, 10045:14, 10045:17, 10045:24, 10045:31, 10045:37, 10045:39, 10045:42, 10046:35, 10046:36, 10046:38, 10046:40, 10046:45, 10047:7, 10047:10, 10047:12, 10047:14, 10047:19, 10047:27, 10047:29, 10047:41, 10047:45, 10048:2, 10048:4, 10048:7, 10048:24, 10048:25, 10048:27, 10118:1, 10120:7 Office's [1] - 10046:6 officer [11] - 10026:18, 10027:6, 10027:29, 10029:8, 10030:25, 10030:32, 10030:46, 10031:22, 10040:2, 10064:1, 10092:28 officers [5] - 10024:39, 10024:40, 10027:10, 10041:11, 10107:9 officially [1] - 10065:27 officials [1] - 10027:4 often [10] - 10026:43, 10075:10, 10075:11, 10083:25, 10085:2, 10085:26, 10092:44, 10092:45, 10098:32, 10109:4 Old [1] - 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10118:42, 10119:5 ongoing [2] - 10067:8, 10109:17 onwards [1] - 10052:21 open [3] - 10037:6, 10060:40, 10106:22 opened [2] - 10060:45 opening [4] - 10022:28, 10049:20, 10050:9, 10121:26 operate [2] - 10025:16, 10025:23 operated [2] - 10031:39, 10092:7 operating [2] - 10024:41, 10090:22 operation [2] - 10023:5, 10023:31 operations [2] - 10023:26, 10030:44 Opha [1] - 10062:32 opinion [3] - 10041:3, 10044:15, 10048:33 opportunities [1] 10129:6 opportunity [3] 10050:45, 10128:40, 10129:8 oppose [3] - 10043:21, 10043:32, 10044:3 option [2] - 10038:21, 10038:43 options [1] - 10037:6 oral [2] - 10026:16, 10062:35 orally [1] - 10064:15 Orana [1] - 10094:45 Orange [4] - 10084:20, 10084:22, 10084:25, 10087:13 orange [18] - 10022:45, 10026:18, 10031:37, 10031:38, 10031:39, 10054:46, 10057:38, 10057:41, 10057:43, 10057:46, 10058:5, 10058:28, 10058:40, 10059:28, 10061:15, 10062:42, 10063:12, 10063:31 order [15] - 10022:31, 10022:33, 10038:16, 10043:22, 10043:33, 10044:31, 10087:27, 10102:40, 10109:41, 10113:22, 10116:32, 10118:23, 10119:20, 10127:39, 10127:47 ordered [6] - 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10099:15, 10099:18, 10099:26, 10099:38, 10099:39, 10099:45 papers [1] - 10066:18 paragraph [29] 10052:20, 10052:25, 10052:28, 10052:34, 10104:38, 10104:39, 10104:41, 10111:35, 10111:38, 10112:5, 10112:43, 10112:47, 10113:36, 10113:37, 19 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 10115:44, 10116:15, 10116:16, 10117:18, 10118:13, 10118:14, 10119:22, 10119:25, 10119:37, 10119:45, 10122:39, 10128:16, 10128:17, 10129:32, 10130:8 paragraphs [2] 10119:34, 10123:3 parents [18] - 10025:39, 10030:28, 10053:45, 10054:13, 10054:22, 10054:31, 10057:16, 10057:20, 10057:21, 10057:23, 10057:28, 10057:30, 10057:31, 10069:23, 10073:46, 10080:41, 10090:10, 10098:4 parents' [1] - 10057:44 park [1] - 10066:19 parked [3] - 10061:31, 10061:41, 10081:5 part [10] - 10023:4, 10046:6, 10046:20, 10050:20, 10066:7, 10077:34, 10084:6, 10127:10, 10127:19, 10130:6 participate [1] - 10037:46 participated [1] - 10099:1 particular [13] - 10023:34, 10046:12, 10046:42, 10051:16, 10066:25, 10076:27, 10116:29, 10116:32, 10116:40, 10118:1, 10121:19, 10121:22, 10125:24 particularised [1] 10038:23 particularly [4] 10034:41, 10075:4, 10112:5, 10113:3 particulars [11] 10024:11, 10034:28, 10035:8, 10036:1, 10036:3, 10036:9, 10036:29, 10036:33, 10037:1, 10037:43, 10038:25 parties [3] - 10023:41, 10042:21, 10127:6 partner [8] - 10070:6, 10070:13, 10071:2, 10077:21, 10077:23, 10077:29, 10094:16, 10103:2 partners [4] - 10076:17, 10089:21, 10103:12, 10107:36 parts [3] - 10075:7, 10092:8, 10113:45 party [3] - 10044:36, 10045:45, 10047:21 Party [1] - 10076:46 pass [3] - 10029:17, 10067:4, 10127:46 passed [5] - 10033:26, 10053:40, 10065:46, 10071:12, 10109:29 passenger [2] - 10059:5, 10059:18 passing [1] - 10071:32 past [4] - 10050:21, 10050:35, 10060:45, 10068:2 patient [1] - 10055:10 PATRICIA [2] - 10105:8, 10105:22 Patricia [2] - 10086:26, 10105:40 Patrick [2] - 10035:4, 10049:12 pay [11] - 10023:46, 10043:38, 10044:32, 10045:45, 10046:32, 10047:22, 10048:18, 10048:20, 10062:26, 10114:25, 10121:37 paying [3] - 10025:1, 10043:8, 10065:28 Payless [1] - 10076:36 payments [1] - 10128:28 PE [1] - 10033:28 peace [2] - 10071:28 peeping [2] - 10029:17, 10029:25 pending [1] - 10025:17 penetration [2] 10026:15, 10026:42 penis [13] - 10026:15, 10056:26, 10056:28, 10059:11, 10059:12, 10059:13, 10061:6, 10061:8, 10061:9, 10099:20, 10099:40 people [44] - 10024:23, 10027:28, 10050:35, 10057:7, 10063:25, 10064:39, 10065:29, 10065:35, 10065:37, 10066:31, 10067:21, 10068:6, 10070:32, 10070:44, 10075:43, 10077:10, 10077:47, 10081:27, 10082:8, 10082:14, 10083:18, 10086:37, 10088:22, 10088:28, 10092:15, 10095:24, 10101:15, 10103:1, 10103:8, 10103:14, 10107:38, 10108:37, 10110:15, 10110:38, 10115:20, 10117:3, 10122:17, 10123:4, 10123:45, 10124:11, 10125:21, 10125:30, 10125:32, 10126:36 pepper [4] - 10065:16, 10075:5, 10075:31, 10098:30 per [5] - 10025:3, 10040:45, 10074:37, 10074:39 perform [1] - 10062:35 perhaps [5] - 10049:39, 10050:4, 10104:41, 10130:25, 10130:27 period [16] - 10023:4, 10024:22, 10025:2, 10034:29, 10035:38, 10048:30, 10054:18, 10058:7, 10062:44, 10063:1, 10075:39, 10120:1, 10121:43, 10127:12, 10129:23, 10129:25 periods [1] - 10025:30 permanent [1] - 10121:21 permanently [2] 10106:45, 10120:26 permission [1] - 10025:22 permit [3] - 10025:15, 10025:20, 10025:29 perpetrated [2] 10031:47, 10039:20 person [10] - 10033:36, 10039:4, 10049:43, 10051:25, 10052:16, 10068:41, 10108:13, 10122:43, 10122:47, 10123:36 personal [1] - 10065:33 personally [2] - 10068:45, 10117:14 persuade [1] - 10058:46 Peter [5] - 10021:33, 10049:13, 10064:4, 10064:8, 10120:35 phone [3] - 10118:29, 10129:26, 10129:28 physical [7] - 10026:43, 10039:19, 10050:26, 10086:3, 10108:15, 10108:29, 10108:32 physically [10] - 10070:35, 10074:23, 10076:25, 10077:23, 10083:17, 10083:24, 10094:14, 10101:3, 10106:34, 10108:19 pick [2] - 10061:15, 10081:45 picked [3] - 10028:25, 10106:4, 10106:42 picking [2] - 10065:8, 10125:41 pillow [1] - 10060:6 pills [3] - 10062:46, 10062:47, 10071:11 pipes [1] - 10090:21 Place [2] - 10021:22, 10093:19 place [11] - 10030:21, 10055:25, 10056:15, 10057:18, 10059:38, 10065:5, 10074:6, 10074:47, 10079:18, 10090:1, 10100:10 .22/10/2014 (96) placed [14] - 10023:10, 10023:12, 10023:14, 10026:4, 10028:11, 10028:24, 10054:3, 10054:8, 10054:12, 10059:39, 10061:6, 10074:2, 10074:4, 10097:37 plain [1] - 10114:8 plaintiff [10] - 10026:25, 10028:5, 10028:34, 10036:47, 10037:34, 10039:1, 10046:8, 10048:5, 10069:34 plaintiffs [75] - 10027:14, 10027:33, 10034:22, 10034:32, 10034:36, 10034:44, 10034:45, 10035:2, 10035:9, 10035:17, 10035:18, 10035:34, 10036:1, 10036:4, 10036:8, 10036:27, 10036:43, 10037:14, 10037:17, 10037:23, 10037:30, 10037:37, 10037:40, 10037:43, 10038:15, 10038:22, 10039:28, 10039:43, 10040:32, 10040:39, 10041:4, 10041:10, 10041:12, 10041:23, 10041:44, 10042:25, 10043:10, 10043:18, 10043:36, 10043:43, 10044:30, 10045:13, 10045:19, 10046:13, 10046:21, 10047:7, 10048:17, 10048:47, 10051:9, 10069:9, 10113:42, 10115:11, 10115:19, 10115:32, 10116:17, 10116:21, 10116:30, 10116:34, 10117:15, 10117:35, 10118:18, 10119:47, 10121:9, 10121:15, 10121:20, 10126:40, 10128:12, 10128:19, 10128:26, 10128:30, 10128:39, 10129:12, 10129:16, 10129:26 plaintiffs" [1] - 10045:5 plaintiffs' [13] - 10038:14, 10038:44, 10038:46, 10041:13, 10042:35, 10044:32, 10046:32, 10047:15, 10048:18, 10048:20, 10048:28, 10126:8 plan [1] - 10095:40 planned [2] - 10029:42, 10109:28 play [1] - 10103:14 playing [4] - 10055:9, 10056:7, 10099:8, 10099:32 plea [1] - 10118:46 pleaded [4] - 10033:12, 10034:27, 10039:26, 10076:47 pleading [1] - 10048:26 pleadings [3] - 10035:30, 10048:28, 10112:28 pleases [2] - 10022:12, 10050:40 plus [3] - 10037:11, 10045:35, 10068:40 point [16] - 10034:23, 10034:26, 10038:35, 10049:18, 10065:3, 10067:45, 10068:4, 10074:45, 10078:24, 10078:38, 10086:14, 10107:13, 10116:39, 10119:12, 10128:11, 10130:31 police [60] - 10026:24, 10027:7, 10027:8, 10027:13, 10028:25, 10028:30, 10028:45, 10029:9, 10029:10, 10029:15, 10029:16, 10029:37, 10029:41, 10030:15, 10030:18, 10031:10, 10031:25, 10031:27, 10031:29, 10031:43, 10031:47, 10032:4, 10032:14, 10032:22, 10032:24, 10032:29, 10033:21, 10033:34, 10057:27, 10064:1, 10064:5, 10064:6, 10064:7, 10066:16, 10075:26, 10075:28, 10075:29, 10075:34, 10075:35, 10077:39, 10083:8, 10083:12, 10083:15, 10085:36, 10092:35, 10103:18, 10106:5, 10107:2, 10107:6, 10107:7, 10107:8, 10108:16, 10109:16, 10109:19, 10109:23, 10110:7, 10121:32 Police [4] - 10023:26, 10031:21, 10049:13, 10095:21 policy [2] - 10024:3, 10048:34 polite [1] - 10038:13 pool [2] - 10064:42, 10064:44 poor [2] - 10033:24, 10076:40 poorly [1] - 10093:25 Pop [1] - 10098:12 position [17] - 10042:30, 10044:26, 10044:30, 10053:6, 10088:43, 10097:2, 10101:21, 10107:14, 10113:26, 10116:21, 10118:26, 10120:2, 10121:16, 20 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 10125:42, 10128:40, 10129:1, 10130:31 possibility [4] - 10036:9, 10036:16, 10039:41, 10041:18 possible [8] - 10035:30, 10038:23, 10038:37, 10040:39, 10047:46, 10120:30, 10129:46, 10130:37 possibly [1] - 10115:29 post [2] - 10103:23, 10108:44 post-traumatic [2] 10103:23, 10108:44 posted [1] - 10118:4 pot [1] - 10075:17 potential [4] - 10039:38, 10051:1, 10119:19, 10122:1 powder [1] - 10107:23 powerless [1] - 10086:36 prefer [4] - 10086:24, 10086:31, 10097:4, 10110:37 pregnant [4] - 10070:14, 10097:27, 10101:43, 10102:17 premature [3] - 10044:6, 10048:31, 10097:29 premises [2] - 10024:41, 10025:36 preparation [3] 10044:25, 10109:42, 10110:19 prepare [2] - 10047:41, 10067:42 prepared [18] - 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10059:31, 10060:10, 10060:13 savage [1] - 10083:37 save [1] - 10037:11 saviours [1] - 10057:19 saw [17] - 10029:25, 10054:21, 10057:31, 10059:26, 10068:22, 10070:36, 10071:8, 10075:22, 10081:5, 10082:21, 10082:29, 10085:47, 10091:31, 10092:45, 10093:6, 10110:21 SC [4] - 10041:40, 10044:14, 10044:43, 10049:12 scalded [1] - 10075:18 scared [13] - 10061:1, 10063:20, 10063:41, 10067:16, 10068:34, 10074:29, 10083:21, 10091:21, 10092:24, 10092:32, 10094:25, 10100:23, 10101:4 scarring [1] - 10075:7 scathing [1] - 10037:23 scheduled [4] - 10036:18, 10037:4, 10048:10, 10121:10 Scheme [1] - 10066:5 scheme [1] - 10023:32 School [6] - 10074:16, 10081:6, 10089:23, 10098:43, 10101:33, 10101:34 school [41] - 10024:37, 10057:13, 10057:32, 10057:37, 10057:38, 10061:15, 10061:17, 10062:2, 10062:15, 10062:17, 10062:19, 10065:4, 10065:6, 10070:19, 10074:17, 10074:43, 10075:22, 10076:45, 10081:5, 10081:43, 10081:44, 10081:46, 10082:43, 10082:46, 10083:2, 10084:14, 10084:16, 10089:24, 10089:41, 10090:21, 10092:38, 10098:42, 10098:45, 10099:9, 10100:15, 10101:34, 10101:35, 10102:37, 10106:21 schoolhouse [4] 10054:38, 10054:40, 10074:18, 10100:29 Scone [2] - 10101:38, 10101:42 scones [2] - 10059:32, 10059:37 screen [2] - 10119:27, 10122:33 scrubbed [1] - 10106:30 seasonal [1] - 10065:7 seat [4] - 10059:5, 10059:6, 10059:18, 10059:19 second [5] - 10030:10, 10080:38, 10090:15, 10092:34, 10098:14 secondly [2] - 10042:3, 10115:23 section [5] - 10022:30, 10025:16, 10025:29, 10025:34, 10035:35 Security [3] - 10026:18, 10063:12, 10063:25 see [33] - 10029:23, 10033:25, 10035:16, 10043:43, 10056:12, 10056:41, 10058:43, 10059:19, 10059:22, 10060:2, 10061:38, 10063:42, 10065:36, 10067:45, 10068:4, 10069:5, 10072:13, 10082:3, 10082:11, 10088:22, 10089:33, 10090:27, 10092:44, 10103:5, 10107:42, 10112:38, 10114:12, 10116:32, 10117:12, 23 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 10123:27, 10123:30, 10124:38, 10130:10 seeing [2] - 10065:44, 10103:1 seek [4] - 10052:3, 10128:19, 10128:26, 10129:29 seeking [12] - 10035:18, 10035:33, 10035:41, 10043:31, 10044:16, 10046:21, 10046:23, 10046:31, 10047:6, 10119:47, 10127:22, 10129:8 seem [2] - 10088:14, 10124:14 sees [1] - 10064:29 seizure [2] - 10077:13, 10078:3 seizures [1] - 10077:13 self [1] - 10065:25 self-esteem [1] - 10065:25 send [1] - 10057:21 sending [2] - 10076:45, 10118:2 Senior [2] - 10032:6, 10033:28 senior [3] - 10034:18, 10047:33, 10047:35 sense [2] - 10067:27, 10107:5 sensitively [1] - 10051:5 sent [12] - 10026:11, 10041:7, 10041:29, 10042:38, 10043:15, 10047:32, 10061:18, 10078:24, 10103:36, 10106:9, 10109:34, 10110:20 sentence [1] - 10094:42 sentenced [3] - 10033:8, 10077:1, 10078:7 separate [2] - 10035:16, 10069:3 separately [1] - 10034:27 September [11] 10025:30, 10030:24, 10035:9, 10035:15, 10036:26, 10049:1, 10073:8, 10109:36, 10123:9, 10124:7, 10124:24 serious [3] - 10023:18, 10025:47, 10118:31 serve [1] - 10040:45 served [2] - 10120:34, 10120:37 Service [2] - 10066:7, 10083:1 service [3] - 10038:25, 10042:17, 10114:29 service/regulatory [1] 10034:14 services [9] - 10034:41, 10045:8, 10045:12, 10049:2, 10096:30, 10113:2, 10114:27, 10114:32, 10130:4 Services [52] - 10022:7, 10023:7, 10034:38, 10035:2, 10035:21, 10035:32, 10036:26, 10036:32, 10037:15, 10037:45, 10038:7, 10038:10, 10043:3, 10043:7, 10044:1, 10044:23, 10044:34, 10049:11, 10053:31, 10066:8, 10069:8, 10074:2, 10078:28, 10079:32, 10079:36, 10086:10, 10087:35, 10095:33, 10095:43, 10096:13, 10096:26, 10103:44, 10104:6, 10104:22, 10104:47, 10109:15, 10110:13, 10110:20, 10110:27, 10113:1, 10113:6, 10113:8, 10113:28, 10114:19, 10114:20, 10115:34, 10121:40, 10127:18, 10129:40, 10129:43, 10130:7 Services' [1] - 10038:35 sessions [2] - 10057:14, 10103:41 set [5] - 10024:18, 10038:37, 10046:23, 10046:31, 10070:29 sets [7] - 10035:14, 10053:22, 10073:31, 10080:28, 10089:8, 10097:13, 10105:34 setting [1] - 10042:9 settle [4] - 10023:41, 10036:36, 10042:26, 10069:10 settled [2] - 10078:43, 10128:8 settlement [11] 10037:30, 10041:43, 10045:3, 10045:5, 10047:41, 10052:30, 10069:15, 10078:44, 10079:28, 10128:18, 10128:33 settling [1] - 10040:43 seven [5] - 10085:29, 10087:19, 10097:45, 10101:19, 10107:46 several [7] - 10024:40, 10026:13, 10038:14, 10067:45, 10084:45, 10107:36, 10111:40 severe [5] - 10062:43, 10063:2, 10087:2, 10103:22, 10103:23 sex [8] - 10026:16, 10062:35, 10074:43, 10092:22, 10099:21, 10102:38, 10103:9, 10103:11 SEXUAL [1] - 10021:13 sexual [67] - 10022:38, 10023:18, 10026:1, 10026:7, 10026:16, 10026:32, 10026:38, 10026:42, 10027:38, 10027:41, 10027:42, 10027:45, 10028:12, 10028:28, 10028:39, 10029:2, 10029:4, 10030:33, 10030:40, 10031:47, 10032:17, 10032:31, 10032:35, 10032:40, 10032:42, 10032:46, 10034:8, 10039:12, 10039:20, 10040:25, 10042:4, 10048:38, 10050:25, 10050:43, 10051:3, 10051:6, 10051:15, 10051:17, 10051:20, 10055:47, 10063:3, 10064:17, 10066:3, 10066:12, 10066:38, 10068:8, 10069:18, 10070:15, 10070:21, 10070:44, 10071:19, 10074:34, 10074:40, 10074:45, 10076:30, 10078:9, 10094:30, 10099:3, 10100:21, 10102:31, 10106:38, 10107:2, 10108:28, 10109:22, 10110:1, 10115:14, 10115:27 Sexual [6] - 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10034:39, 10113:1, 10130:4 STATEMENT [7] 10052:9, 10073:20, 10080:19, 10089:2, 10097:9, 10105:22, 10111:31 statement [99] - 10022:28, 10028:31, 10034:21, 10034:27, 10034:28, 10034:31, 10034:45, 10035:16, 10035:19, 10035:25, 10035:41, 10039:8, 10039:9, 10039:46, 10040:3, 10040:10, 10041:25, 10050:9, 10051:41, 10051:44, 10051:47, 10052:17, 10052:46, 10053:10, 10053:18, 10053:22, 10053:25, 10060:28, 10064:7, 10064:12, 10072:4, 10072:10, 10073:8, 10073:11, 10073:15, 10073:24, 10073:31, 10073:34, 10073:37, 10077:38, 10077:39, 10080:6, 10080:10, 10080:14, 10080:17, 10080:24, 10080:28, 10080:32, 10085:35, 10088:36, 10088:42, 10088:45, 10089:4, 10089:8, 10089:12, 10095:20, 10095:23, 10096:40, 10097:1, 10097:4, 10097:5, 10097:7, 10097:13, 10097:17, 10097:21, 10102:15, 10102:16, 10104:33, 10104:38, 10104:42, 10105:15, 10105:18, 10105:27, 10105:33, 10105:34, 10105:37, 10107:3, 10107:4, 10111:10, 10111:19, 10111:21, 10111:24, 10111:27, 10111:35, 10112:4, 10112:44, 10116:16, 10117:47, 10119:22, 10119:28, 10119:46, 10120:24, 10122:28, 10122:36, 10123:22, 10128:16, 10129:32, 10129:36, 10130:9 statements [11] - 10027:8, 10049:17, 10049:43, 10050:2, 10052:1, 10064:8, 10066:16, 10075:29, 10080:7, 10088:43, 10120:37 stating [3] - 10035:28, 10044:15, 10045:29 station [12] - 10027:8, 10028:31, 10029:9, 10029:15, 10064:6, 10064:8, 10075:26, 10075:28, 10075:29, 10083:8, 10107:3, 10107:7 Station [1] - 10095:21 statutory [2] - 10048:42, 10102:23 stay [19] - 10044:16, 10044:47, 10062:2, 10063:31, 10063:36, 10065:12, 10069:4, 10079:4, 10079:17, 10083:45, 10092:11, 10094:43, 10095:5, 10098:19, 10120:26, 10121:21, 10127:43, 10127:47 stayed [8] - 10061:12, 10063:33, 10084:10, 10084:27, 10092:37, 10092:40, 10106:40, 10106:42 staying [2] - 10059:38, 10098:20 steering [3] - 10059:8, 10059:9, 10059:11 step [2] - 10025:11, 10087:37 stepfather [6] - 10097:46, 10101:20, 10101:23, 10101:25, 10101:27, 10101:39 steps [3] - 10031:5, 10037:22, 10050:32 steroid [1] - 10103:26 stick [1] - 10058:14 sticking [1] - 10061:3 still [27] - 10023:41, 10030:13, 10040:23, 10041:5, 10041:22, 10055:47, 10061:35, 10062:14, 10063:1, 10067:23, 10067:43, 10068:19, 10068:20, 10068:27, 10069:19, 10071:19, 10071:29, 10084:23, 10088:21, 10088:22, 10090:2, 10092:28, 10093:8, 10103:25, 10103:29, 10107:40, 10109:17 stoke [1] - 10103:30 stomach [1] - 10108:32 stood [7] - 10042:18, 10046:5, 10046:20, 10055:23, 10060:16, 10069:36, 10127:19 stopped [4] - 10085:19, 10091:20, 10094:6, 10103:40 stopping [1] - 10028:15 store [1] - 10061:30 stories [1] - 10050:20 story [10] - 10066:32, 25 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 10069:37, 10071:46, 10080:1, 10095:9, 10107:6, 10110:36, 10110:38, 10111:4 stove [1] - 10075:17 strangers [3] - 10065:37, 10067:30, 10068:9 strap [4] - 10075:4, 10083:27, 10091:11, 10106:36 straps [1] - 10065:17 strategy [1] - 10045:3 street [3] - 10058:9, 10071:25, 10107:23 streeting [3] - 10051:26, 10052:16, 10053:17 STREETING [1] 10053:22 strength [1] - 10108:15 stress [3] - 10095:6, 10103:23, 10108:44 stressful [5] - 10028:36, 10110:23, 10116:34, 10116:36, 10119:17 strike [1] - 10125:14 striking [1] - 10044:17 strong [1] - 10042:4 stronger [2] - 10118:42, 10119:5 strongly [1] - 10125:15 struck [2] - 10035:42, 10108:7 struggle [2] - 10065:26, 10071:31 strung [1] - 10087:29 studied [1] - 10097:42 study [3] - 10022:37, 10099:1 Study [1] - 10021:17 stuff [1] - 10067:40 subdue [1] - 10077:35 subject [7] - 10038:24, 10043:31, 10049:39, 10072:22, 10080:10, 10088:40, 10096:45 subjected [3] - 10023:18, 10025:47, 10039:19 submission [3] 10072:28, 10125:44, 10126:2 subpoena [7] - 10046:21, 10046:24, 10046:31, 10118:15, 10118:26, 10127:15, 10127:28 subpoenaed [1] 10118:32 subsequently [2] 10030:31, 10032:34 substance [1] - 10031:8 substantiate [1] 10031:26 substantive [1] - 10047:30 success [4] - 10044:16, 10044:18, 10115:15, 10115:24 successful [1] - 10040:45 sucker [1] - 10031:18 sue [3] - 10115:11, 10115:33, 10120:2 suffer [8] - 10063:1, 10065:26, 10077:12, 10098:32, 10103:22, 10103:27, 10108:44 suffered [19] - 10026:43, 10039:18, 10048:38, 10050:25, 10050:28, 10051:3, 10051:11, 10064:9, 10066:3, 10069:19, 10074:26, 10102:22, 10102:25, 10103:24, 10103:30, 10103:47, 10108:41, 10108:42, 10117:35 suffering [1] - 10094:3 sufficiently [1] - 10044:17 suggested [3] - 10036:15, 10039:43, 10069:9 suggestion [4] 10037:28, 10038:35, 10040:42, 10041:32 suicide [2] - 10093:44, 10109:4 suitable [5] - 10025:22, 10025:27, 10044:46, 10072:27, 10072:28 sum [6] - 10045:35, 10048:17, 10048:19, 10048:21, 10048:45, 10088:8 summary [2] - 10119:29, 10120:24 summertime [1] 10064:43 Sunday [1] - 10062:22 supervising [5] - 10039:5, 10045:23, 10125:32, 10125:36, 10125:37 supervision [2] 10034:18, 10046:1 supervisory [1] 10037:21 supplied [1] - 10036:33 supplies [1] - 10083:39 support [5] - 10051:19, 10051:25, 10052:16, 10088:1, 10125:45 supported [3] - 10050:44, 10054:11, 10066:42 supporting [1] - 10114:23 supportive [1] - 10087:36 suppose [1] - 10117:30 supposed [2] - 10065:41, 10071:13 suppress [1] - 10079:8 Supreme [1] - 10078:18 surplus [1] - 10114:22 surround [1] - 10115:10 surveillance [2] 10039:42, 10039:44 survived [2] - 10076:38, 10108:24 survivors [1] - 10051:6 suspect [2] - 10037:39, 10072:6 suspended [3] - 10094:42, 10120:1, 10120:13 suspending [1] 10035:36 suspension [1] - 10120:11 suspicion [1] - 10043:18 swear [1] - 10049:44 sweat [1] - 10077:43 swelling [2] - 10091:3, 10098:33 swim [2] - 10056:45, 10064:45 swimming [1] - 10064:42 sworn [3] - 10073:1, 10105:8, 10123:9 Sydney [13] - 10021:22, 10067:16, 10079:10, 10087:40, 10097:28, 10097:30, 10097:36, 10097:43, 10106:10, 10107:22, 10110:22, 10116:32, 10126:19 sympathy [1] - 10050:18 symptoms [1] - 10086:43 system [4] - 10051:4, 10075:42, 10114:6, 10118:1 systemic [1] - 10024:8 T tab [13] - 10051:47, 10053:2, 10072:4, 10073:15, 10080:6, 10088:42, 10097:1, 10104:34, 10111:10, 10122:35, 10123:22, 10124:34, 10124:42 table [3] - 10059:36, 10059:39, 10080:12 tablets [3] - 10094:4, 10094:6, 10108:43 tapped [1] - 10059:36 targeted [1] - 10045:4 tasks [1] - 10065:27 taunted [1] - 10057:14 tea [2] - 10059:32, 10059:37 teach [1] - 10059:4 teacher [2] - 10083:2, 10098:43 tear [1] - 10068:28 tears [1] - 10059:21 teeth [1] - 10077:24 telephone [3] - 10037:29, 10041:1, 10047:42 television [1] - 10049:25 temper [1] - 10077:9 temperature [1] 10064:43 ten [1] - 10100:36 tendency [1] - 10033:40 tender [13] - 10049:17, 10049:32, 10049:42, 10052:3, 10073:16, 10080:15, 10088:45, .22/10/2014 (96) 10097:5, 10111:27, 10124:34, 10130:31 TENDER [1] - 10049:36 tendering [1] - 10049:38 terms [10] - 10041:8, 10072:7, 10087:39, 10103:37, 10113:43, 10114:18, 10121:20, 10125:42, 10126:15, 10129:11 terrible [4] - 10050:26, 10070:28, 10071:15, 10086:43 terrified [2] - 10057:22, 10057:33 Territory [1] - 10076:6 terrorise [1] - 10085:7 Terry [15] - 10029:7, 10032:23, 10039:8, 10075:27, 10075:30, 10083:4, 10083:6, 10089:42, 10089:45, 10092:28, 10092:29, 10092:30, 10121:23, 10125:23 test [1] - 10043:29 tested [1] - 10118:43 THE [76] - 10022:4, 10022:9, 10022:16, 10022:24, 10022:33, 10049:20, 10049:24, 10049:30, 10049:34, 10049:42, 10050:6, 10050:11, 10050:38, 10051:22, 10051:32, 10052:3, 10052:7, 10052:45, 10053:5, 10053:10, 10053:15, 10053:20, 10071:38, 10071:45, 10072:1, 10072:13, 10072:18, 10072:25, 10072:31, 10072:36, 10073:18, 10079:40, 10079:47, 10080:3, 10080:17, 10080:22, 10088:34, 10088:47, 10096:39, 10097:7, 10104:28, 10105:6, 10110:45, 10111:4, 10111:7, 10111:29, 10112:8, 10112:20, 10112:38, 10114:35, 10115:42, 10119:25, 10119:39, 10122:21, 10122:27, 10122:32, 10122:39, 10123:12, 10123:14, 10123:19, 10123:25, 10123:30, 10123:35, 10123:40, 10124:2, 10124:9, 10124:30, 10124:38, 10124:44, 10125:39, 10128:11, 10130:16, 10130:22, 10130:27, 10130:36, 10130:40 themselves [4] 10041:10, 10041:12, 10090:31, 10108:3 themselves" [1] 10037:17 Thereafter [1] - 10091:31 thereafter [2] - 10026:4, 10107:24 thereby [1] - 10035:36 therefore [2] - 10078:14, 10110:8 thinking [5] - 10058:31, 10061:45, 10067:10, 10067:42, 10068:13 third [1] - 10057:32 Thirdly [1] - 10032:22 thoughts [1] - 10086:29 threatened [2] - 10057:20, 10065:15 three [18] - 10024:36, 10043:46, 10044:12, 10062:11, 10065:23, 10067:41, 10070:10, 10070:17, 10078:8, 10085:19, 10089:19, 10097:29, 10097:39, 10099:5, 10102:7, 10120:17, 10121:43, 10123:21 threw [3] - 10055:29, 10058:12, 10070:37 throughout [4] - 10084:4, 10087:17, 10108:40, 10113:44 throwing [1] - 10056:46 THURSDAY [1] - 10130:41 ticket [1] - 10084:25 tickle [1] - 10103:16 timetable [2] - 10038:25, 10038:37 timid [1] - 10102:34 tin [1] - 10081:28 tipped [2] - 10067:6, 10075:16 tired [1] - 10083:28 title [1] - 10024:32 titled [1] - 10029:29 TO [1] - 10021:13 today [4] - 10052:12, 10077:10, 10088:41, 10130:28 together [4] - 10035:11, 10084:40, 10102:6, 10129:24 toilet [3] - 10056:6, 10056:8, 10061:5 Tom [4] - 10074:47, 10075:1, 10106:39 tomorrow [1] - 10062:24 tongue [2] - 10056:25, 10061:3 took [39] - 10027:7, 10031:14, 10037:22, 10040:6, 10054:45, 10055:25, 10056:44, 10059:9, 10059:22, 10060:35, 10062:44, 10063:11, 10064:46, 10067:12, 10071:28, 26 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 10071:30, 10075:26, 10075:27, 10075:29, 10075:30, 10075:34, 10076:17, 10083:6, 10085:16, 10088:24, 10089:44, 10099:12, 10099:14, 10099:18, 10099:36, 10099:38, 10100:9, 10106:27, 10107:2, 10110:4, 10110:39, 10114:7, 10122:2 toothbrushes [1] 10083:40 top [6] - 10055:19, 10059:8, 10060:11, 10061:7, 10099:19, 10099:39 torts [1] - 10034:14 torts-service/regulatory [1] - 10034:14 total [3] - 10033:9, 10048:6, 10113:42 totalled [1] - 10045:26 touch [1] - 10060:5 touched [6] - 10027:27, 10029:18, 10031:1, 10082:41, 10091:15, 10091:43 touching [3] - 10028:15, 10091:17, 10103:14 towards [8] - 10052:21, 10061:2, 10061:7, 10082:21, 10082:29, 10083:17, 10094:15, 10128:12 Tower [1] - 10021:21 town [3] - 10064:39, 10075:18, 10092:36 toys [1] - 10090:32 track [1] - 10054:32 tracksuit [1] - 10099:15 traffic [1] - 10110:24 tragic [1] - 10069:31 transcripts [4] - 10112:13, 10112:15, 10112:35, 10130:32 transition [1] - 10068:17 trauma [1] - 10086:44 traumatic [9] - 10051:2, 10078:3, 10079:1, 10086:16, 10086:21, 10086:31, 10086:35, 10103:23, 10108:44 traumatised [1] 10094:29 travel [8] - 10029:44, 10033:39, 10079:10, 10089:34, 10110:22, 10114:12, 10114:20, 10114:25 travelled [1] - 10128:29 treated [4] - 10079:16, 10086:45, 10087:7, 10090:33 treatment [2] - 10090:30, 10090:36 tree [5] - 10065:17, 10075:6, 10075:31, 10083:26, 10098:30 trial [14] - 10033:4, 10033:25, 10033:41, 10038:27, 10038:39, 10041:37, 10064:16, 10077:38, 10077:45, 10078:22, 10085:39, 10120:30, 10129:3, 10129:7 trials [2] - 10033:17, 10041:9 Tribunal [2] - 10066:10, 10078:20 tried [21] - 10027:25, 10035:11, 10054:5, 10061:8, 10061:43, 10068:22, 10068:23, 10068:35, 10070:29, 10074:17, 10074:45, 10076:32, 10078:38, 10079:8, 10082:22, 10082:33, 10083:47, 10084:3, 10092:11, 10106:28, 10108:24 tries [1] - 10103:15 trip [3] - 10059:28, 10076:6, 10084:32 Trotter [2] - 10049:10, 10122:36 Trotter's [2] - 10122:28, 10123:22 trouble [1] - 10092:12 troubled [1] - 10076:13 trousers [2] - 10061:5, 10062:34 true [9] - 10051:44, 10053:25, 10058:33, 10073:11, 10073:34, 10080:32, 10089:12, 10097:17, 10105:37 Truss [2] - 10121:36, 10125:44 Trust [2] - 10024:32, 10025:6 trust [9] - 10025:7, 10055:44, 10065:40, 10077:7, 10077:10, 10083:15, 10094:8, 10103:8, 10108:37 trusted [4] - 10054:11, 10079:35, 10106:17, 10108:33 truth [4] - 10032:25, 10049:45, 10105:18, 10111:24 truthfully [1] - 10029:32 try [9] - 10063:40, 10073:27, 10086:39, 10092:47, 10094:33, 10094:35, 10103:9, 10112:4, 10115:19 trying [7] - 10026:16, 10068:3, 10070:14, 10095:5, 10129:11, 10129:22, 10130:30 turn [1] - 10071:31 turned [11] - 10056:35, 10056:38, 10056:41, 10060:19, 10064:4, 10082:20, 10093:28, 10093:47, 10094:26, 10102:8, 10106:13 turner [1] - 10105:32 Turner [2] - 10072:45, 10105:25 turns [1] - 10038:12 twins [5] - 10062:3, 10062:5, 10062:9, 10062:15, 10063:32 twins' [1] - 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10036:17, 10121:9, 10125:46 ups [1] - 10091:45 upset [2] - 10100:3, 10101:6 upsetting [1] - 10109:10 urinating [1] - 10056:18 useful [1] - 10130:37 V vacate [3] - 10121:9, 10121:14, 10125:45 vacated [4] - 10044:28, 10121:35, 10126:6, 10127:6 vacating [1] - 10126:20 vacation [1] - 10126:16 vagina [18] - 10026:44, 10027:43, 10027:46, 10028:15, 10055:19, 10056:27, 10056:40, 10057:4, 10059:13, 10059:14, 10061:3, 10074:38, 10074:41, 10091:17, 10099:20, 10099:28, 10099:40, 10100:1 varied [1] - 10048:5 varies [1] - 10086:45 various [6] - 10024:22, 10030:47, 10032:12, 10078:17, 10107:38, 10109:8 ventilated [1] - 10127:31 verandah [1] - 10081:32 verbal [2] - 10075:29, 10078:44 verbally [3] - 10077:46, 10077:47, 10083:31 verdict [3] - 10044:36, 10045:44, 10048:16 version [3] - 10053:3, 10072:8, 10078:45 via [1] - 10119:27 vicariously [1] - 10034:4 vicinity [1] - 10038:18 victim [4] - 10032:10, 10048:41, 10049:3, 10055:47 victims [31] - 10023:31, 10023:32, 10024:14, 10048:36, 10048:37, 27 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 10048:44, 10048:45, 10049:2, 10049:3, 10050:42, 10051:17, 10051:19, 10066:2, 10066:9, 10066:11, 10066:14, 10066:44, 10067:21, 10068:6, 10068:39, 10069:3, 10078:11, 10078:18, 10085:41, 10085:43, 10095:36, 10102:21, 10109:37, 10109:38, 10110:3, 10128:28 Victims [2] - 10066:9, 10078:20 view [23] - 10033:31, 10035:29, 10037:36, 10038:10, 10038:37, 10039:13, 10041:46, 10042:33, 10043:42, 10044:46, 10045:12, 10046:6, 10046:42, 10047:28, 10047:35, 10065:29, 10117:33, 10118:41, 10119:29, 10125:24, 10125:33, 10126:17 views [7] - 10038:30, 10080:11, 10119:33, 10128:27, 10128:32, 10129:29 Vincent's [1] - 10097:42 violated [1] - 10057:6 violence [7] - 10082:13, 10084:42, 10085:1, 10085:44, 10114:28, 10115:14, 10115:27 Violence [1] - 10066:7 violent [8] - 10028:41, 10065:20, 10068:2, 10076:16, 10076:39, 10077:8, 10077:23, 10083:17 visit [5] - 10027:4, 10030:45, 10075:43, 10082:9, 10098:37 visited [1] - 10097:43 visiting [2] - 10058:17, 10058:20 visits [1] - 10024:36 voice [2] - 10067:25, 10068:44 volume [9] - 10049:32, 10072:5, 10073:15, 10080:7, 10088:42, 10097:1, 10104:34, 10122:37, 10124:35 VOLUME [1] - 10049:36 voluntarily [1] - 10023:14 volunteers [1] - 10113:29 vulnerability [1] 10051:17 vulnerable [1] - 10056:37 W Waa [4] - 10053:47, 10064:4, 10064:8, 10070:1 wait [1] - 10069:12 waited [1] - 10058:29 waiting [2] - 10061:17, 10061:25 waived [1] - 10049:2 waiver [1] - 10127:34 wake [1] - 10059:46 Wales [26] - 10022:14, 10022:40, 10023:29, 10023:32, 10024:3, 10024:15, 10025:6, 10025:38, 10034:2, 10047:1, 10049:12, 10050:41, 10050:43, 10051:1, 10054:47, 10068:41, 10078:19, 10081:4, 10090:5, 10095:31, 10097:39, 10101:24, 10106:13, 10113:44, 10113:45, 10128:31 Walgett [2] - 10054:32, 10114:27 walk [7] - 10038:15, 10044:42, 10056:10, 10066:19, 10067:10, 10067:32, 10118:23 walked [9] - 10056:24, 10057:5, 10059:36, 10059:38, 10059:43, 10060:7, 10060:16, 10063:42, 10102:11 Walker [1] - 10048:13 walking [5] - 10082:18, 10082:21, 10082:29, 10082:36, 10092:20 wall [7] - 10037:14, 10037:33, 10081:32, 10109:1, 10116:3, 10116:6, 10117:29 Wall [1] - 10115:45 wants [3] - 10050:34, 10051:33, 10072:25 ward [1] - 10026:3 wards [3] - 10053:44, 10054:3, 10065:23 wash [2] - 10092:6, 10098:26 washing [4] - 10060:11, 10060:14, 10081:46, 10092:7 waste [1] - 10071:27 watch [1] - 10070:20 watched [1] - 10082:35 watching [4] - 10030:20, 10056:19, 10064:47, 10119:40 water [3] - 10057:5, 10075:17, 10090:22 ways [1] - 10069:31 weak [1] - 10102:35 wear [1] - 10103:4 wearing [2] - 10099:15, 10100:11 Wearne [1] - 10098:44 weather [1] - 10099:16 Wednesday [1] - 10021:27 Wee [4] - 10053:47, 10064:4, 10064:8, 10070:1 week [3] - 10025:3, 10026:41, 10074:39 weeks [4] - 10040:2, 10041:20, 10106:41, 10120:17 welcomes [2] - 10050:41, 10050:44 welfare [7] - 10024:38, 10025:11, 10026:18, 10027:6, 10027:29, 10084:14, 10092:28 Welfare [10] - 10024:43, 10025:16, 10025:35, 10028:11, 10075:27, 10083:4, 10089:40, 10089:42, 10089:45, 10092:27 Wellman [1] - 10066:4 Western [1] - 10030:44 western [1] - 10031:23 wet [2] - 10026:35, 10091:9 wetting [2] - 10074:26, 10074:29 whatsoever [1] - 10065:40 wheel [3] - 10059:8, 10059:10, 10059:11 whilst [5] - 10038:21, 10095:45, 10098:25, 10101:32, 10103:46 Whilst [1] - 10101:41 white [1] - 10078:12 whole [5] - 10077:3, 10079:34, 10086:34, 10088:17, 10125:17 wide [3] - 10034:39, 10113:1, 10130:4 wife [4] - 10027:27, 10078:5, 10082:47, 10106:16 Williams [1] - 10082:47 willpower [1] - 10094:46 Wilson [1] - 10031:22 window [3] - 10029:26, 10062:38, 10063:41 windows [1] - 10029:18 Winters [1] - 10106:39 Winters' [1] - 10074:47 wish [6] - 10030:28, 10033:16, 10041:33, 10050:9, 10052:20, 10111:38 wished [2] - 10037:6, 10037:46 with" [1] - 10040:34 withdraw [2] - 10046:9, 10046:27 withdrawing [1] 10119:13 WITHDREW [3] - 10072:1, 10080:3, 10111:7 witness [29] - 10033:40, .22/10/2014 (96) 10039:38, 10042:43, 10049:17, 10049:39, 10049:43, 10051:25, 10052:1, 10060:21, 10064:15, 10067:44, 10072:5, 10073:15, 10078:3, 10080:5, 10080:7, 10080:9, 10088:40, 10088:42, 10096:44, 10097:2, 10097:3, 10097:4, 10104:34, 10105:26, 10111:10, 10121:22, 10121:33, 10122:37 WITNESS [4] - 10072:1, 10080:3, 10111:7, 10123:14 Witness [1] - 10066:4 witnessed [4] - 10064:10, 10076:12, 10083:34, 10085:2 witnesses [20] - 10041:9, 10041:37, 10042:9, 10042:11, 10049:7, 10050:3, 10050:17, 10120:43, 10120:47, 10122:1, 10122:2, 10122:7, 10122:13, 10122:17, 10125:28, 10125:33, 10125:34, 10126:31, 10126:41, 10127:23 woke [1] - 10060:2 woken [1] - 10029:23 women [13] - 10028:38, 10034:41, 10079:35, 10087:47, 10113:2, 10113:6, 10113:42, 10113:47, 10116:46, 10117:8, 10117:11, 10117:43, 10128:24 Women's [48] - 10034:37, 10034:38, 10035:2, 10035:21, 10035:32, 10036:26, 10036:32, 10037:15, 10037:44, 10038:6, 10038:10, 10038:34, 10043:3, 10043:7, 10044:1, 10044:23, 10044:34, 10066:8, 10069:8, 10078:28, 10079:32, 10079:36, 10086:10, 10087:35, 10095:33, 10095:42, 10096:13, 10096:26, 10103:43, 10104:6, 10104:22, 10104:46, 10109:15, 10110:13, 10110:20, 10110:26, 10112:47, 10113:5, 10113:8, 10113:27, 10114:19, 10114:20, 10115:34, 10121:40, 10127:18, 10129:39, 10129:43, 10130:7 women's [1] - 10085:6 won [2] - 10068:34, 10069:25 wondered [2] - 10040:16, 10118:11 wondering [1] - 10040:33 Wood [1] - 10049:14 Woods [4] - 10042:39, 10043:15, 10043:24, 10044:39 words [31] - 10055:16, 10055:37, 10057:27, 10058:13, 10058:23, 10059:24, 10059:34, 10060:14, 10060:17, 10060:26, 10061:26, 10061:32, 10061:44, 10062:22, 10062:24, 10062:36, 10062:39, 10063:7, 10063:10, 10063:17, 10073:38, 10075:10, 10075:12, 10082:24, 10082:30, 10091:36, 10091:47, 10097:21, 10106:23 worker [1] - 10032:15 workers [1] - 10083:1 world [4] - 10057:17, 10065:11, 10079:5, 10084:2 worried [2] - 10056:13, 10070:44 worry [2] - 10064:28, 10091:37 worse [5] - 10055:11, 10067:33, 10076:41, 10093:30, 10093:31 worth [4] - 10037:35, 10040:44, 10069:20, 10083:30 worthwhile [1] - 10104:46 write [4] - 10085:30, 10085:32, 10093:26, 10114:8 writing [2] - 10037:32, 10128:44 written [3] - 10044:15, 10078:45, 10086:11 wrote [18] - 10031:21, 10034:20, 10035:21, 10036:6, 10036:26, 10036:34, 10037:3, 10037:45, 10038:4, 10038:33, 10038:41, 10040:9, 10041:40, 10043:3, 10044:23, 10045:24, 10045:29, 10045:42 Y yabbying [1] - 10082:6 year [22] - 10023:38, 10024:20, 10024:40, 10025:31, 10025:39, 10049:1, 10053:38, 10057:36, 10063:4, 10069:30, 10074:16, 10074:37, 10074:46, 28 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation 10075:22, 10083:3, 10084:11, 10084:19, 10098:37, 10101:35, 10103:31, 10107:42, 10126:9 Year [1] - 10076:2 years [95] - 10023:19, 10025:25, 10026:5, 10026:8, 10026:14, 10026:31, 10027:18, 10027:38, 10027:42, 10028:10, 10028:13, 10031:19, 10040:29, 10043:46, 10053:39, 10053:43, 10054:18, 10054:20, 10054:43, 10054:45, 10055:6, 10056:33, 10057:37, 10058:4, 10058:41, 10059:31, 10060:31, 10061:14, 10062:2, 10062:5, 10062:7, 10062:17, 10063:3, 10063:6, 10064:31, 10067:5, 10067:8, 10067:21, 10067:33, 10067:42, 10068:31, 10068:36, 10069:44, 10069:47, 10070:8, 10073:44, 10074:4, 10074:33, 10075:34, 10076:27, 10076:35, 10076:36, 10077:1, 10081:13, 10084:41, 10085:22, 10085:29, 10085:42, 10087:13, 10087:15, 10087:17, 10087:19, 10087:30, 10089:17, 10089:28, 10089:39, 10090:6, 10091:33, 10093:10, 10093:45, 10097:26, 10097:33, 10097:34, 10097:45, 10098:41, 10099:5, 10099:8, 10100:44, 10100:45, 10101:19, 10101:41, 10102:4, 10102:6, 10102:43, 10103:25, 10105:42, 10106:4, 10106:13, 10106:32, 10106:45, 10107:32, 10107:41, 10107:46 years' [3] - 10033:8, 10033:9, 10038:39 yelled [1] - 10060:7 yelling [1] - 10082:31 Yeomans [1] - 10049:13 yesterday [2] - 10111:42, 10111:47 Young [7] - 10036:20, 10036:38, 10037:6, 10039:40, 10041:2, 10041:3, 10041:16 young [5] - 10050:35, 10079:17, 10098:22, 10100:14, 10101:46 younger [8] - 10053:39, 10060:33, 10060:34, 10070:23, 10074:5, 10081:34, 10083:34, 10097:34 youngest [3] - 10081:11, 10102:17, 10103:15 yourself [3] - 10061:33, 10073:27, 10084:7 youse [1] - 10057:29 Youth [1] - 10025:38 Yvonne [2] - 10041:30, 10117:41 Z zucchini [1] - 10065:8 .22/10/2014 (96) 29 Transcript produced by Merrill Corporation