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NEWS FROM
MERSEA COFE
February 2015 | ISSUE 9
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Geoff and Carolyn Sexton
He says, “Clearly the highlight of
my sporting career. After all not
many people can claim to have
played football for their country”!
In 1972 he set up his own
business and carried out a
number of major contracts on
Mersea, including the MICA
Centre, the Lifeboat Station, the
extension and refurbishment of
the Church Hall, Mersea Court,
the Oyster Fishery at East
Mersea, as well as many other
Community Centres, schools and
sheltered Housing contracts all
over north Essex.
The PCC have been taken aback
by the number of times Geoff
Sexton’s name appears on the
Fabric Reports! Here is a taster
from recent agendas.
Geoff
Sexton:
‘has
inspected..
undertook to do this… is working
on this.. is liaising with.. has
drawn up detailed plans for.. is
inspecting to see what precisely
needs to be done.. will have a
draft plan ready for the next
PCC.. has consulted the planning
office.. will install it’ - and so on!
Remarkable! The PCC have
expressed their amazement at
Geoffs multifarious activities for
the Church.
Geoff started life in Copford,
attending NE Essex Technical
College, later known as the
Gilberd and now Colchester V1th
Form College. Excelling at school
and college he qualified as a
structural Engineer picking up
experience in Saudi Arabia and,
amongst other things, being
responsible for the Exeter section
of the M5 motorway drainage.
During his time in Saudi Arabia it
was too hot to work during the
afternoons so they used to play
football instead.
The British
Embassy was always desperate for
players and it wasn’t long before
Geoff was invited to play for them.
The Reverend John Pantry
For years, alongside his day job as the Presenter of Inspirational
Breakfast and Head of Music at Premier Christian Radio, John has
been giving his time to support parish life. As a result, he is taking a
sabbatical from the 9.30am service until 1st May.
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As a small child Geoff ‘s ambition
was to be in the Church choir but
when it was pointed out to him
that singing wasn’t his gift, his
uncle, who was churchwarden,
appointed him as sidesman –
probably the youngest ever!
Geoff has always attended
church, as being a Christian is for
him a question of faith and a way
of life.
He finds the more
traditional
8am
service
meaningful and with his wife
Carolyn takes his turn as Service
Warden. Carolyn, busy in her
own right, helps the Messy
Church team.
Always very sporty and despite
double hip replacements, Geoff
continues to run and go on long
cycle rides. He declares he is
extremely competitive and if he
sees another cyclist in front of
him has to speed up and overtake!
Favorite hymn: Stand up, Stand
up for Jesus….
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PCC#Jottings!
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The PCC met in the church hall
on Monday the 12th January 2015
at 7.30pm, with the Rector in the
Chair.
unanimously approved.
After the usual preliminary
formalities and the signing off of
the minutes of the previous
meeting the main items on the
agenda were then taken.
Fabric Committee.
The report of the Fabric
Committee was discussed. This
included the plans for access to
the Bell Chamber and Tower,
work on the west end gable, and
the construction of a New
Orleans gate, for which a listed
buildings consent faculty has now
been granted. A plan to place a
gate to prevent access to the back
of the church at night was
approved, as there has been some
recent vandalism in this area at
week ends. The council is due to
carry out a tree survey in the
churchyard. Work is ongoing on
the external electrics and the
possibility of replacing internal
lights with dimmable LED lights
will be explored. Sources of
funding are being sought for
church decoration. A CD
player is available which can
be plugged into the present
PA system for use at funerals
etc. The announcement that
Alan Brook has kindly offered
to be ‘Hall Manager’ was
greeted with thanks and relief!
A letter from a member of the
congregation questioned the
appropriateness of the service of
‘Nine Lessons and Carols’ as it
was conducted on the Sunday
evening before Christmas. The
main criticisms being that the
involvement of a robed choir,
and the use of the Authorized
Version for the readings telling
the Christmas story, is out of date
for a parish church and is
perhaps more appropriately
confined to Anglican ‘Cathedral’
services. The PCC unanimously
expressed their approval of ‘Nine
Lessons’ as it was conducted,
making the point that the
‘format’ has become a treasured
expectation at Christmas. It was
pointed out that for most
contemporary
Anglican
Christians the use of the
Authorized Version has become
a
valued
and
powerful
declaration of the Christmas
story, which would be lost in
inevitably
‘transient’
and
unremembered
modern
translations.
Correspondence.
The rector has received a
letter regarding a proposal from
the ‘Friends’ for ceramic poppies
to be placed in the Churchyard,
in cooperation with the British
Legion, with a roll-call in church,
on Remembrance Day. This was
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Alan Brook, who has offered
to become Hall Manager.
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Finance.
The treasurer presented the
accounts for 2014 and projections
for 2015. It costs in the region of
£100,000 pa to run the mission of
St Peter and St Paul’s and without
a generous legacy in 2014 there
would have been a deficit for 2014
in the region of £10,000. This
would mean, according to the
2015 projection of the general
fund, an expected deficit of
approximately £20,000.
The deficits were attributable, not
so much to a lack of giving in the
congregation, but to falling
numbers, and some withdrawals
and reductions from a few major
contributors. Led by the Rector
various strategies were discussed
to respond to this situation and he
will present his thoughts at the
annual church meeting in the
spring. In the meantime, the
treasurer will carefully monitor the
financial situation.
Sparrows Church Hall
There was a detailed discussion on
the relationship of ‘Sparrows’
with the church, especially
relating to the use of the
Church hall and facilities. The
Rector, the Families Worker
and the Treasurer will arrange
to meet with the ‘Sparrows’
team
to
explore
the
relationship with the church
with the hope that this can be
placed on a more definite and
mutually beneficial footing.
Future meetings of the
PCC.
Meetings are planned for 2015 on
March 11th, June 8th, September
14 th, November 9th and on
January 11th 2016.
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Fabric!
Carl Powling, the Church Electrician, getting to grips with the path lights
which keep failing.
2015 Lent Groups
Lent lunches 2015
This year there will be 4 groups as
follows:-
A series of Lunches will be provided by various groups
within our Church. The idea is to have a modest lunch as
part of Lenten 'Giving - Up' and to give a donation towards
the work of Christian Aid.
Mondays
3.30pm
Mondays
7.30pm
Wednesdays 2.30pm
Wednesdays 7.30pm
Mersea Court
69 St. Peters Road
10 Elmwood Drive
77 St. Peters Road
Signing-up sheets will be in church from
Sunday 1st February for two weeks only.
Full details will be given on the sheets.
The Dates run from Feb 28th - Mar 28th inclusive from 12 1.30pm in the Church Hall.
Numbers supporting this venture have decreased in recent
years, so please come along and support us!
Do please have a look;
and do sign up!!!
I am hoping this is my last year organizing this and if the
reader feels 'called' to take over from me I'll be pleased to fill
in the details!
Lesley Talbot 382807
Sue Hammond 383383 [email protected]
Correction
We are being watched!
One of the new members of the
Brass Cleaning Team, mentioned
in the last issue, is Anne Frith.
The Editors regret printing the
wrong name under her picture.
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Did you know the Church Tower can be seen
from Abberton Nature Reserve and that the
staff check up on us by noticing whether of not
we are flying the flag!
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Pat$Kirby!
a"familiar"(igure!
Pat is one of our best known
and most loved parishioners
and has been a member of St
Peter and St Paul’s since the
early 1970’s, forty four or
more years! She is part of
most things that go on. When
asked what she has most
enjoyed over the years she
found it difficult to choose as
there were so many overlaps.
The lively Pathfinder Group
certainly got a special
mention. She also singled out
the many memorable Roger
Jones Musicals which sprang
from the young people’s
groups but also involved most
of the church families and
friends and of course the
church choir.
As a child Pat went with her
family to a Baptist Church
about 3 miles from her home
where her father was a
deacon. However she was
keen to become a Guide and
discovered that there was a
group at the local Anglican
Church, only about 10
minutes walk from her home
in Chingford. There was the
little matter of a waiting list
Alpha
but did not respond by going
forward. It was not until
college, when she became a
member of the Christian
Union, that the relevance of
Christianity became real. She
then decided she wanted to
confirm her faith by having a
full immersion baptism, much
to the joy of her father.
and the complication of needing to be
baptised into the Church of England.
Always determined, Pat was baptised at
about the age of 11, at the local Anglican
Church in Chingford.
As time
progressed she joined her peers at
Church services and at Guides and so
on to Confirmation.
She attended
confirmation classes but like her friends
was always a little concerned that they
might ‘go on’ too long and the chip shop
would be closed before they could get
there!
When in the VIth form, Pat went to
Billy Graham meetings. She listened
It is hard to pigeonhole Pat,
she is involved with us all
whatever our age.
Day in December when the topic was ‘The Holy Spirit’.
Our guest speaker was
Rev Andrew Fordyce.
Thank you to all those
who cooked for Alpha
over the Autumn
term. Thank you also
to Emma Cornwell for
hosting and Spencer
Kelly for helping. The
group met for the last
time on Wednesday
21st January.
We hope to run an
Alpha course during
the day, rather than
evening, in 2015, so
do get in touch with
Kate
or
Jamie
Nightingale, 382945,
if you would be
interested in coming
or know someone you
would like to invite.
The highlight of the
course was the Away
!
Pat is quietly amused as she
watches the years roll on and
sees the cycle of events and the
wheel being re-invented. She
does not particularly like being
the ‘older’ generation with few
‘older’ ones above. She enjoys
seeing the children she taught
becoming parents and then
grandparents and she still
organizes the decorating of the
Christmas tree and the
Garden Tomb with any
children who want to join her.
Belleplates,
the
Mersea
Museum, the Church Choir
and the music at the 9.30am
service are only a few of her
continuing interests.
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A message from the
Beach Club
Committee
YES! Beach Club will be “On the
Beach” again in 2015
Put the dates in your diaries
NOW
Boys and girls make sure it’s
done!
10am every day from
MONDAY July 27th until
FRIDAY 31st July
FUN, Fellowship, Songs,
Crafts and Learning from
the Bible
Soft drinks/biscuits
(Tea/coffee/biscuits for adults.)
12 – 2pm Lent Lunch
(WM Church Hall)
Diary
28th
February
March
7th
6th
2nd
10th
11th
13th
15th
18th
22nd
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Pat Kirby says thank you to Kate, Cindy and Terry who were helped
by Tom, Sam, Annie-Rose and Scott, a new generation of Tree
Decorators.
11am Funeral Eric
Heathcote
8.15am CTIM Prayer
breakfast St John’s Hall,
Melrose Rd
9.30am-3.30pm
‘Gospel’ Church Study Day
WM Church Hall
4pm Messy Church
11.30am Funeral of
Aleasha Coen - WM
3pm Funeral Alan Balls
No evening Service
9.30am Holy
Communion @ East
Mersea
10am No Service @
West Mersea
6.30pm Holy
Communion for Ash
Wednesday – WM
No evening service
1st
7th
9th
10th
14th
15th
21st
22nd
28th
29th
8.40am Parish Breakfast
6.30pm Choral evensong
2pm Women’s World day
of Prayer at the Free
Church.
12-2pm Lent Lunch (WM
Church Hall)
7.30pm PCC meeting
4pm Messy Church
12-2pm Lent Lunch
(WM Church Hall)
No Evening Service
12-2pm Lent Lunch
(WM Church Hall)
No Evening Service
12-2pm Lent Lunch
WM Church Hall)
No Evening Service
April
2nd
6.30pm Holy
Communion for Maundy
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3rd
4th
5th
Thursday @ WM
9.30am Family Service
1.30pm Liturgy of Good
Friday
12md Wedding of Emma
Firth & David Nash
No 8am service
11am Parish
Communion
6.30pm Choral E’song
From the Registry
Funerals
William Hook-child
Iris Cash
Gwendolin McEntee
Alan Roberts
Gwilym Williams
Eric Heathcote
Aleasha Coen
3/12/14
8/12/14
8/12/14
15/12/14
28/1/15
2/2/15
11/2/15
Baptisms
Jennifer Simpson
25/1/15
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Friends of West Mersea Parish Church
It will be All Right on the Night…….
On Wednesday 17th December, while the Friends were setting up their
December concert, the Chancel lights suddenly failed. Carl Powling,
the electrician, was called and he discovered that the dimmer switches
were at fault. Just in time he managed to fix up a ‘jury rig’ for the
evening so that the choir, band and film crew had enough light to
carry on with the concert as though nothing was amiss.
There are now 215 members of the Friends. The committee has voted
for some of the money they have raised to be put aside for the tower.
Future Events
7 March
Prom Ball at the MICA with such things as a Red
carpet, Lights, Photo booth, and Prizes for costumes
etc. More details later. Tables for up to 10 people.
£25 for members, £27 for non-members.
17 April
Choir and Eclipse trio concert.
23 May
Sing the Messiah
Witham Deanery
Synod
Taken from the agenda for the
meeting on 10 February 2015:
“……The Synod commends the
conversations between Parishes.
These recognize the future close
association of the parishes of:
Fingringhoe
East Donyland (Rowhedge)
Abberton w Langanhoe
Peldon
Gt and Lt Wigborough
West Mersea
East Mersea!!
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Whilst this does not represent an
agreed complete Mission and
Ministry Unit, it does represent
agreed
building
blocks
of
ministry.”
Vicious Winds have caused
Unusual Wear to our Flag.
John Talbot writes:
“Furious, fierce and frantic winds forced flag to
flap and fray on the facing edge.
Fortunately
free fixing was found and suitable strengthening
sailcloth was sewn in to extend its serviceable
life.”
We are grateful to Nick & Jane Mussett, Sail and
Spraycovers, at Waldegrave, for mending the flag
free of charge. Thank you.
Pat’s&I"Spy!
Prayer Group
A few ladies meet together once a week to pray for our
Church and its work. If you would like to join them please
contact Val Bocking, Tel: 386750. Men are of course very
welcome too!
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Alan Roberts
1950 – 2014
Husband of Cathy and
father of Angus and Abbi
Many of you may remember
Alan, a regular worshipper at
both the 8 o'clock and the 9.30am
services as well as a very willing
partaker of the Parish Breakfasts.
In fact he used to say it was the
only time he was allowed a full
English!!! He enjoyed the
intellectual stimulation of the
Learning Suppers and the
camaraderie of Blokes and
Bhajis.
As a child in Glasgow he had
been brought up within the
Presbyterian Church, which
probably
explains
his
appreciation of the older style
Liturgy of the 8 o'clock
Communion and his love of the
King James Bible, which became
the joke of the House group. He
would enjoy winding us all up by
describing it as 'the real Bible' !!
Alan’s love of history often
benefitted the House group with
the chronology of biblical and
other events, and with the
Church of England’s “Rules and
Regulations”. On one occasion
he took the group through the 39
Articles!
Alan loved our church for many
reasons but the most important
was probably the fellowship he
enjoyed and valued with so many
close friends in services and house
group. Once he was diagnosed
with a brain tumour, that
fellowship and those friends
helped to nurture and strengthen
his faith, a faith that supported
him through the 18 months
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before he died.
Alan
was
a
keen
and
competitive sailor in his early
years at Westcliff on Sea. When
he and Cathy moved from
Chichester to Mersea, in the
1980s, this love of sailing overspilled into family life. Alan and
Cathy transported their children
from a young age, weekends and
holidays, the length and breadth
of the country, encouraging and
supporting
them
as
they
participated in numerous Open
Meetings for both sailing and
windsurfing. For many years as a
Committee Member of the
Dabchicks Sailing Club, Alan
enthusiastically promoted sailing
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within the community, guiding
young people to find their
potential as sailors. In the latter
years he spent happy times with
Fellowship Afloat, giving sailing
tuition.
Alan was a kind, genuine family
man with a very dry sense of
humour, although when he was
joking, a twinkle could always be
detected in his eye. He was a
deep thinker who was blessed with
the gift of listening and on serious
issues always came back with
constructive
and
helpful
comments; a man of few words
but what he did have to say was
well worth listening to.
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Readings and Rota to end November 2014
Readings)to)Passion)Sunday)2015!
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1st!February!
Candlemas!
Malachi'3.1"5,#Psalm#24,#Hebrews#2.14"end,%Luke%2.22"40!
8am$HC$–!SS!!!!!9.30am!MP!–!SS!!!!!!!!!11am!HC!–!SN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!6.30pm!EP!"!SN
8th!February!
2<#Lent!
Proverbs(8.1,22"31;$Psalm$104.26"end;%Colossians%1.15"20;$John$1.1"14!
8am$HC$–!SN!!!!!9.30am!MP!–!SN!!!!!!!11am!HC!–!SN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!6,30pm!HC!"!JF
15th!February!
Last%<%Lent!
2"Kings&2.1"12;$Psalm$50.1"6;#2#Corinthians#4.3"6;#Mark#9.2"9!
8am$HC$–!JP!!!!!9.30!MP!–!BS!!!!!!!!!!!!11am!HC!–!SN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!6.30pm!No!service!
18th!February!
Isaiah&58.1"12;$2$Corinthians$5.20b"6.10;&Matthew&6.1"6,#16"21!
Ash$Wednesday! 9.30am'at'East'Mersea&HC&"!!JF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!6.30pm!HC!"!SN!
22nd!February!
Lent%1!
Genesis&9.8"17;$Psalm$25.1"9,#1#Peter#3.18"end;%Mark%1.9"15!
8am$HC$–!BL!!!!!9.30am!MP!"!SN!!!!!!!!!11am!HC!–!SN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!6.30!pm!No!service
1st!March!
Lent%2!
Genesis&17.1"7,#15"16;$Psalm$22.23"end;%Romans%4.13"end;%Mark%8.31"end!
8am$HC$–!SS!!!!!9.30am!MP!–!SS!!!!!!11am!HC!–!KL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!6.30pm!EP!"!SN
8th!March!
Lent%3!
Exodus'20.1"17;$Psalm$19;$1$Corinthians$1.18"25;$John$2.13"22!
8am$HC$–!SN!!!!!9.30am!MP!–!SN!!!!!11am!HC!–!!SN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!6.30pm!HC!"!JF!!!!!
15th!March!
Mothering*
Sunday!
Exodus'2.1"10;$Psalm$127.1"4;#Colossians#3.12"17;$John$19.25b"27!
8am$HC$–!JP!!!!!9.30am!MP!–!SN!!!!!11am!HC!–!SN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!6.30pm!No!service
22nd!March!
Jeremiah(31.31"34;$Psalm$51.1"13;$Hebrews$5.5"10;$John$12.20"33!
Passion'Sunday! 8am$HC$–!BL!!!!9.30am!MP!"!SS!!!!!!!11am!HC!–!BL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!6.30pm!No!service!
29th!March!
Palm%Sunday!
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8am!HC#–!SN!!!!9.30am!MP!–!SN!!!!!11am!HC!–!SN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!6.30pm!No!Service!
Although this information is correct at the time of publication, please note it could change.
HC – Holy Communion
MP – Morning Prayer
EP - Evening Prayer
LS – Learning Supper
SN – Rev Sam Norton
JP – Rev John Pantry
BL – Rev Bernard Lloyd
BS – Rev Brian Snelling
MC – Rev Martin Clark
Regular Services
Coffee
Sundays
Wednesdays
Coffee is served after the 9.30 and 11am services.
10am Holy Communion
8.00am
9.30am
Holy Communion 1662 BCP, said
Morning Praise
Subject to Change
11.00am Holy Communion, sung
6.30pm Evening Service which changes each week in the
month
1st Sunday Choral Evensong BCP with Choir
2nd Sunday Holy Communion
3rd Sunday Evening Prayer with hymns
4th Sunday Learning Supper (or no service)
(East Mersea Communion Service)
5th Sunday Various
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KL – Rev Keith Lovell
SS – Rev Scott Sanderson
JF – Rev John Fieldgate
JIF – Mrs Jill Fieldgate
APO – Anne & Peter Owen
Monday to Saturday
9.00am Morning Prayer
Weekdays
5.30pm Evening Prayer
Bank Holidays
There are no services on secular Bank Holidays
Parish Breakfast
8.45am First Sunday in every month
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Directory:
ISSUE 8 | DECEMBER 2014
St Peter & St Paul’s Church, High St, West Mersea, CO5 8QD
www.merseacofe.org, [email protected], 01206 383222
Clergy
Rector
Rev Sam Norton
[email protected]
Assistant Priest
Rev John Pantry
[email protected]
Sacristan
Angelina Nash
c/o Parish Administrator
385635
386910
Readers and Retired Clergy
Rev Martin Clarke
383952
[email protected]
Rev John Fieldgate
386851
[email protected]
Mrs Jill Fieldgate
386851
[email protected]
Rev Bernard Lloyd
383892
Rev Keith Lovell
386626
[email protected]
Anne and Peter Owen
383843
[email protected]
Rev Scott Sanderson
385571
[email protected]
Rev Brian Snelling
383717
[email protected]
Church Officers
Church Wardens
Barbara Peter
383948
[email protected]
Valerie Bocking
386750
[email protected]
Families Worker
Heather King
07711 409322
[email protected]
Organist
Peter Dollimore
07544 519890
[email protected]
Parish Administrator and
Secretary to the PCC
Carol Binmore
[email protected]
Office Hours 9.30am to 1.30pm
Mon, Tues & Fri
01206 383222
Parish Evangelist
Stephen Rice
Pastoral Assistant
Terry Walker
[email protected]
385586
383640
Treasurer
Roland Gardner
[email protected]
Verger
Roy Nash
383222
617306
Gift Aid
Alan Hammond
[email protected]
383383
Hall Bookings
Parish Administrator
[email protected]
383222
382533
Health and Safety
Geoff Sexton
[email protected]
384153
386080
House Groups
Val Bocking
[email protected]
386750
384220
Useful Contacts
Belleplates Group
Pat Kirby
[email protected]
Brass Rota
Heather Leigh
Child Protection
Barbara Peter
383948
[email protected]
Children’s Society
Georgie Hewes
[email protected]
Friends West Mersea Parish
Church
Gill Laver
07927 606579
[email protected]
http://www.fwmpc.org.uk
383300
Junior Church
Heather King
07711 40932
[email protected]
Leprosy Mission
Annette Sapsford
383665
[email protected]
Church Legacy Policy
The Rector or The Treasurer
Info at http://www.churchlegacy.org.uk
Lay Weeders
Alan Hammond
[email protected]
Church Missionary Society
Maura Broad
383028
[email protected]
Mersea Island Choir
John Davies
382757
mailto:[email protected]
Cleaning Rota
Sue Hammond
[email protected]
Messy Church 2nd Tuesday of every
month 4-6pm
Sue Hammond
383383
[email protected]
Clock & Bells
John Talbot & Heather King
[email protected]
383383
382807
Churches Together In Mersea
Lesley Talbot
382807
Deanery
Hilary Gay
383648
[email protected]
Pat Moore
385361
[email protected]
383383
Mission to Seafarers
John Talbot
[email protected]
382807
Mothers Union
Bridget Smith
[email protected]
383166
Social (Catering)
Cathy Roberts
[email protected]
385091
Fabric
Barbara Peter
383948
[email protected]
Sunbeams Mother & Toddlers
Monday 1-3pm in term time
Keary Hill
[email protected]
07896874519
Flowers
Rosemarie Gardener
[email protected]
Vulnerable Adults
Terry Walker
[email protected]
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