Identification RSF 0229 K7 NO 34 Duration 60 MIN

Identification RSF 0229 K7 NO 34 Duration 60 MIN

NO 34
Identification
RSF 0229 K7
Duration
60 MIN.
Transmission
RADIO R.T.L.M.
Quality
NOT GOOD
Name
TWAGIRIMANA Martin
Dateof transcription
13/7/1999
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Dateof translation
Nameof file
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B~YAHINYURA de la C.D.R
Ntiturebengo [ inaudible]KAYIBANDAna ba BICAMUMPAKA,
na ba GITERAabo
bari..,
baribarabisohoye.
Rwose[ inaudible]
Ntabwo
dukwiye
kugiraubwoba,
kugiraisoni
zo kuvugako turiabahutu.
Njyeni yo message
nshaka
guhaabantu
barimu Rwanda
kukohariikintu
kitwa..,
kimeze
nka..
nkame...nkamodecyateye
ubungubumuri.,
muriikigihe,bavuga
ko umuntu
yavuga
ati
"umuhutu,
umututsi"
undiati... bati" uriyani umu"extrêmiste";
ibyokandini abatutsi
babidushyizemo.
[Hum!]
Et pourtant,
bo bagenda
bamamaza
ko ad abatutsi.
Bagenda
bamamaza
ko arin’abana
b’ibwami
n’ibiki
byose.
Ejobundibamaze
iminsi
bantuka
ngo..,
ngononeho
imfura
ziragiye!
Tu vois! Noneho
bo
bayishyure.
Doncibyongibyo
nitubimenya,
jepense
qued’ailleurs
....
je peuxrevenir
maintenant
kuri
za négociations
za Arusha[
huuum.],
ibahariikintu
kugira
ngointambara
irangire,
ubungubu
abasirikare
ni bo barimo
bararwana;
urumva?
[ Ye.]
Ahobigeze
ahangahamoncherami,yagombye
gu...on doittoutrecommencer
à zéro.
Icyambere: Il fautd’abord
faire
l’analyse,
étudier,
analyser
séfieusement
la composition
des
Inkotanyi.
TuzikoadInyenzi,
tuzikoadaba..
abatutsi,
d’abord
ibyopourdirewenda
koad abantu
d’origine
desouche
rwandaise.
Ariko
se ni Abanyarwanda
pourautant?
Abantu
tuziko nkaba KAGAME
sontdesofficiers
de l’armée
ougandaise
n’abandi
ba officiers
bosebarimo
mu NYENZI.
Si byo? [Huuum!]
Abobantum8mekuvaaho
intambara
yatangifiye
en 1990,abenshi
muribo bagiye
barosova
desstages..,
des
stages
militaires
muriEtats-Unis.
Bagiye
adba offlïciers
de l’Ouganda.
Deseuh...
ad con..,considérés
commemembresde l’arméeougandaise.
Baie kuba
Abanyarwanda
bate?Est-ce
quebasebishi..,
bashi..,
umuntu
yashingiraho
ni izihe
anegosiya
na badyabantu.
Ni inyangarwanda.
Ce sontdesennemis
du pays,bariya
bantu;
iln’est
pasquestion
denégocier
aveceux.Pourmoic’estclair
etnet.Donc
ntabwoad Abanyarwanda,
ce sontdes adversaires.
Une raisonpourlaquelle
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d’ailleurs
igihugu
cyagombye
kwarerita
l’opinion
internationale.
Bagira
"opinion
internationale"
ibatabaze
inshuti.
Iriya
Guverinoma
yagiyeho
ejobundi,
ilsnefont
rienmaintenant.
Nonese turag¢nda
tukavugana
n’abapoliticiens
bakatubaza
bati
"écoutez,
iriyaGuverinoma
yanyuuzi ko nta kinm[inaudible].
Bavugako
yanahunze,
alors!
[ Huuum!]
Mbo[Iyobikubitiyeho
rerokontacyoishobora
na yo,
ça devient
grave.
Doncbagombye
kugira
ikintu
bakora.
Icyombona,
la r~c..,
mes
r¢comm~ndations
ni ukobagomby¢
kwigaikibazo
vraiment
trèssérieus¢m¢nt
ni...
kukoizintuza..,
pourmoilesnégociations
de...
de..desaccords
d’Arusha
n’existent
pas.
[Ibyo
bintu..,
ibyobintu
uvuge...],
oublié.
Mbo! S’ils
vontrecommencer
maintenant,
ilfaut
vérifer,
ilfaut
voir
s’il
faut
négocier
ouiounon.
Kuko
nkaririya
tangazo
rya..
bariya
bakolon¢ri
basohoye,
ndibaza
ahorishingiye.
Ilsveulent
reprendre
des
négociations,
pourquoi?
Ilsimpliquaient
à quoi?
(inaudibl¢)
Orateur
GAHIGIGaspard
3.4
Euhibyobintuuvuze,
haribenshi
kokobabyibaj¢,
baravuga
bati"mumasezerano
y’Arusha
ikintubagombaga
gutangiriraho
cya nyacyo,ni ukurebaFPR icyoad cyo nonehoumuntu
akanegosiya
kokoazin’uwoan¢gosiya
na w¢",arikoibyobintubarabyanze.
Kugira
ngorero
twihutishe
iki kiganiro,
BwanaBARAYAHINYURA,
uzi ko ku...va
INKOTANYI
zuburaimirwano,
Abanyarwanda
kokobahaguruldy¢
rimweiby’uturor¢,
umutego
INKOTANYI
zarizateze
ushibukana
ubusa.Ibyokuvugango bamw¢ni abakiga
abandini abanyenduga,
ntibyakora;
abantubose
bahagurukana
Iny¢nzi
baravuga
bail"kokotugiy¢
kubarwanya
noneho’.
Nkagira
ngor¢roumbwire
akajambo
wabwiraabo bantubahagurukiy¢
rimwekugirango bakomeze
nyineiyo ntambara
ibahanganishije
n’Inyenzi.
Orateur
BARAYAHINYURA (C.D.R.)
4.4
Abobantubagombye
kumenya
ko hanoukoturihanzeahangahanatwe,
si njyenjyenyine
harin’abandi
banyarwanda
benshi,
turakora
ukodushoboye
kugira
ngotubashyigikire
kukonatwe
dufite
urugamba.
Urugamba
rwacuicyakora
ntabwo
ad mu masasu
ni impapuro,
ni amagambo.
Ni
ukujya
hiryano hinokukonk’ukuntu
njyantelefona
nkabaza
amakuru
cyangwa
se ngatanga
des
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informations,
voilà!
Ni rworugamba
rwacu.
Ubworeroturashyigikiranye,
nibakomeze
umuregobashyigîkirane,
Abanyarwanda
bashyigikirane,
abahutu
bashyi
"gd6mne;
ab’iNduga
bashyigikirane
aba..
abomuRukiga,
nikobyari..
ni ko .. ni ko nakerakosebyaribimeze.
Urumva? [ Huum!]Abahum,
kandiabaturage
bose
bashyigikire
ingabo
z’igihugu.
Ingabo
z’igihugu
icyakora
zi...
zishyigikire
abaturage,
ntizitume
abantu
bakomeza
gupfamu...mu mugiwa Kigali
commeça!Barebe
ukunmbabaha
imbunda
babahe
intwaro
barwanye
izonyangarwanda
bazirwanyirize
hamwe.
[ Huuum!]
Ahokubwira
abantu
ngo
niba.,
ngonibashyireho
za bariyed
ntantuza..,
bafite
umuhoro,
n’umupanga,
ngon’agahid
ngo
bagiye
kurwana
n’abanm
bafite
za Kalachnikovs
mais,ça ne va pas!
Nonebabahe
intwaro
na bobirwaneho,
bashobore
kwi..
kandi
je suissûretcertain
ko hari
abana
benshi
b’abahungu,
b’abasore
quisontprêts
yokugira
..yo kurwana
kandi
icyogihemuzareba
ko bizagenda
beaucoup
plusviteetd’une
façon
plusdi...
beaucoup
plussystématique
etmieux.
Iyo
abantu
ad oruganize,
irnbaraga
ziriyongera.
Njyeni ko mbibona.
Ahasigaye
njyeicyona ...icyo
nabwira
Guverinoma
y’uRwanda
ubungubs’ilvousplaît,
ni ukoyahagur~a
ikagira
icyoikora.
Icyambere:
kurega
MUSEVENI
muriNations-Unies
le plusvitepossible.
Sinziicyobakora
ubu
ngubu.Ils dormennt,
qu’est-ce
qu’ilsfont?Njyendabazaumunm..,umukoloned
witwa
BAGOSORA,
qu’est-ce
qu’ilfaitmu byerekeye
armement
y’ abaturage
ahongaho?
Baracyategereje
iki?Njye,moi,njyeumuntunîyaderesaho
ndamubaza
nommément,
BAGOSORA
arakoraiki?
Ndabaza
ministre
de...
deladéfense,
qu’est-ce
quevousfaites
là?
Le Ministre
desAffaires
étrangères,
abantu
baratwa..,
baratubaza,
maisdusubize
iki?
Ba..bahagurutse
bakagira
ikintu
bakora!
NibaGuveri...
iyoGuverinoma
îhari
koko,
nibaGuverinoma
ishobora
gukora,
maisfaites...vous..,
mugerageze..,
mutangire
mutangarize
amahanga
ibyou Rwanda
rurimo.
Murebe..
mume.,
muziko MISEVENI
ari we udutera,
nimubivuge,
nimuge
murîNationsUniesmubarege.
Sinziikintu...ikintu
mutegereje.
Non,bagomba
kudekarara
.. gutanga
za
déclarations
zigaragara
kandi
zigatangwa
régulièrement
etpuis,
leplusvitepossible.
Sinzi
impamvu
batinya
kurega
u Bubirigi
kandiu Bubirigi
bwaraduteye
ku mugaragaro
ariibintu
bigaragara.
Inyenzi
zirarwana
zifatanyije
n’Ababirigi,
mwavuze
mu ....toutà l’heure
ibintu
bya
médias,
murizaradiyo.,
murizateleviziyo,
ibyonibandebabikoze
se? Si Ababirigi?
Ababirigi
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ziriyaza planszose,ayo masasuahanmyad ad mu ntuzahadyakwa SHAMUKIGA,
kwa ba
SEBERAunmwa?Hadyamu ntuza..,mureRWANDAFOAM?
Ubwoabantubazaku...kwensitara
.. kumtabulisa
ntuza.,
un hôpital
de campagne
mu mugihagati,
rwagati
bige..byageze
he?Bigenze
bite?
Kuki? Doncikibazo
nibazaga:
kukiAbabidgi
bohcreje
ngodroitdu bonabasirikare
babomagana
inanipourdesraisons
d’ordre
humanitaire
bakabamanura
bakamanukana
n’intwaro
za rutura,
Abadagcbazibonyc,
twahuriye
hanobarambajije
bati"Bah!On ne comprend
pas!Ntabwo
twiyumvisha
ukuntu
abantu
bagiye
gutwara
abantu
babobakwitwaza
izontwaro
zimeze
gutyo."
Intwaro
reronizo .. zivamuriEntebbe
zikaza
hadya
mu gushyigikira
Inkotanyi.
Doncturarwana
n’ Ababirigi;
ttwatwana
n’uBugande.
KukiLctay’ u Rwanda
itagira
ikintu
ivuga?
Est-ce
queibyo.. Doncmumenye
ko ikibazo
twagize
kugezaubu ngubuni uko HABYARIMANA
yagiyeaceceka
ntagirc
ikintuavuga,ntajyekurega
yagombaga
kurega.
Murareba
icyobyamuviriyemo.
Nibamudashaka
rerokumaraAbanyarwanda,
nimuhaguruke.Agissez!
Kwiyokupa
doreopinion
internationale,
opinion
internationale
yiyokupa
moncherami,abantu
install6s.
Mur¢be
Abarundi
igihc
bamadyc
abahutu[
Igihebatangiriye
bicaabahutu,
badya
batutsi!
Opinion..
abajoumalistes
baranditse
barashakuje,
bagize
bate?Hanyuma
se byabujije
Abarundi
kubona
ntuza.,
kubona
îmfashanyo
kugeza
ubungubu?
M6meapr6savoirmd le pr6sident
NDADAYE
watowe
n’abaturage!
Hanyuma
se mwebwemu...mu.
..mutegereje
iki?
Kuvuga
ngoni ukugira
ngoabazungu
babashime?
Doncnjyendabona
ubungubuahobigeze
ikibazo
cyagombye
gufatwa
ausérieux..,
ausérieux,
leplussérieux
possible.
Ntabwo
..cen’estpluslogique
kugira
ngoabasidkare
bacubakomeze
gupfacommeça abandi
bajunjamye
hadyabacecetse,
ce n’est
passérieux,
vousm’excuserez,
jesuisbrutal.
Adko...
9.2
Orateur
GAHIGIG.
Euhnoneho
turakumva
ntakibazo.
9.2
BARAYAHINYURA (C.D.R.)
Orateur
lyondebaAbanyarwanda
bapfa,
iyondebalesimages
zinyura
kuritélévision,
iyondeba
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ukuntu
ndyama
ntasinzira
nibaza
nibamunmmna
wanjye
ba...ya...yabyutse,
nibaumuvandimwe
wanjye,
indinshuti
yanjye
nshobora
kuzamutelefona
ejonkarnubona;
nta..nta..
ça neva pas!
Abandi
bicaye
ahongahongoni Guverinoma!
Guverinoma
nyabaki?
Maisbougez!
Nibabuje
bafashe
abasirikare,
abasirîkare
doncc’est
vaillant,
bararwana
ariko
nta..
ndabona
ntakintu
bafite
inyuma!
Ilfautqu’ils
travaillent
quand-même!
Moic’est
cequenous....d’ailleurs
ibyomvuga,
sinjyeubivuga
gusa,
c’est
lacommunauté
rwandaise
quile dit,icià l’extérieur
et [ inaudible]
bafite
amakaramu
bosebarize
bazikwandika.
Ibibazo
batabishoboye
babwireabandibantubabishoboye
babikore.
Doncibintubavugani byo
twataugiriyeho
twebwe
kugira
ngotugire
icyodukora.
Iyobagenjeje
batyo
niukuvuga
ib’mnyeteri.
Njye,
moije déclare
queAbabîrigi
ad bo baduteye
maisntabwo
bazabyemera
kukondemeza
konnta
déclaration,
ntadocument
officiel
igaragara.
Orateur
GAHIGI
Gaspard
(R.T.L.M.)
10.3
UbwoBIKINDI
ni we wavuzeail"mbwira
abumva"
mu ndîrimbo
dukunda
guhitisha
hano
kuri R.T.L.M.;ngira ngo ibyo SHYIRAMBEREBARAYAHINYURA
abwiye Abanyarwanda
baraya.,
barabymnvise
kandib’inzego
zose:ad abaturage
ati"mufatanye
n’ ingabo
kandiingabo
zibahe
intwaro
mushobore
guhaugana
n’Inkotanyi",
ati"kuko
ntamuntu
kuribariyeri
ufite
ikibando,
ufite
umupanga,
ufiteubuhiri
wahangana
n’umunm
ufitekalachnikov";
ati"kandi
Guverinoma
na
yo nihaguruke,
nihaguruke
ihagarare,
bamenye
umwanzi
uwoad we bamenye
ko euh....[ inaudible]
Guverinoma
na yo nihaguruke,
igireicyoitangaza
noneho
Abanyarwanda
barihanzena bo bagire
icyobaheraho
kugira
ngobumvishe
amahanga
nyine
iby’iyi
ntambara,
ukoisuraryayononeho
koko
babone
ahobahera.
Nkagira
ngo rero,BwanaBARAYAHINYURA,
ngushimire,
ngushimire
ibibitekerezo
uvuzekandi
si bwobwa mbere,
ukunze
kuàutelefona
ukatugezaho
ibitekerezo
byawe.
Nkagira
ngorero~e
kuriRTLMahouzajya
ushakira
hoseujyeudutelefona
utubwire
igitekerezo
cyawe,
murakoze
cyaneI
Orateur
BARAYAHINYURA
11.6
O.K.namwemurakoze
kandimukomere
ku muheto!
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GAHIGI G.
11.9
Mukomerenamwe.
"BENESEBAHINZI"
de BIKINDI
Simonet sa troupe
-Chansonintitulée
-Chanson"UBUTWARIBW’INGABOZ’ U RWANDA" de BIKINDIet sa troupe
GAHIGIGaspard
Orateur
Ikigiheni bwoabantu
babaga
bamaze
kuryama
cyangwa
se abatînda
bagiye
kuryama;
ariko
muriibibiheturimo
bibihakaba
ahubwo
ariigihecyokubamaso.
Nkaba
nsabacyanccyaneabaturage
babaabarimu gihugu
kureahoimirwano
iberakubamaso;
abo
mu mugiha bo bakaba
maso,cyanecyaneabauyagikondo,
aboku Kacyiru
n’iNyamirambo
n’ ahandi
kuko
urnwanzi
ahora
asesera
buri
gihe.
Ubu reronkagira
ngo mpumurize
cyanecyaneabanyagikondo,
abantuho ku Kacyirun’ab’i
Nyamirambo
bavuga
bail"twahanganye
n’umwanzi
arikoingufu
zacuziranga
zikaba
nkeya".
Bail
¯"
" bati
"arîko
umwanzi
we afite
"ubushake
burahari,
dufite
ibibando,
dufite
amacumu,
dufite
~mlheto
za kalachnikovs".
Bati"rerontabwotwahangana
ngo mmushobore",
bati"ahubwo
nimuduhe
intwaro".
No mi kiganiro
kimazeguhitamu mwanyamwumvise
ko abantu
bosebabyemeza
bati
"kugira
ngoduhangane
n’umwanzi
tugomba
kugira
ingufu
nibura
zingana."
Arikoubundi
umuntu
abayifuza
ndetse
n’izirutaho.
Ubworeronkagira
ngombahumurize
mbwira
ab~yagikondo
cyanecyanebiriwe
badutelefona,
abo
ku Kacyiru,
ab’iNyamirambo
kubera
ibitero
Inkotanyi
zahagabye,
cyane
cyanemuijorozikitwikira
ijoro
zikaza
zikica
abanm
b’inzirakarengane
barikuribariyeri
bashi..,
bahacunga
umutekano
wabo
cyangwa
se n’abanm
ndetse
bazihunze
bakwildnga
mu nzu,abagore
n’abana
n’abasaza
batari
mu
nziranibura
ngobavuge
ngobarazi
anya,zikabarohamo
grenades.
Ibyobintureroakabaariibintu
bibabaje
cyane,
cyane
cyanekoInkotanyi
zitera
zavugaga
ko ngo
zijengoguhorera
abaturage
ngob’inzirakarengane
ahubwo
zigahitana
ab’inzirakarengane.
Bakavuga
rerobati"dukeneye
abasirikare
badutera
inktmga.
Nkagira
ngonizeze
abaturage
b’i
Gikondo,
aboku Kacyiru
n’ab’i
Nyamirambo
ko abobasirikare
bahari
arikoreronimwe,
njye
ntabwo
ndiumusirikare
arikoibyagisirikam
ni ko bigenda.
Ntabwo
umusirikare
yazangoakubwire
ngondiaha kukon’umwanzi
yahamenya
nonehoahubwoagahita
amuhitana,
Mumenye
reroabasirikare
barahari
ahubwo
mumenye
ko umwanzi
yagize
amayed
mashyashya,
ubu
Inkotanyi
ziraza
zagera
ahantu
kugira
ngozisibe
kwica
abantu
bailkuribaxiyeri
zikavuza
induru
zika.,zikavuza
amafirimbi
nonehoabaturage
bagahurura
bagirango ni benewabo
zigahita
zibamishamo
ibisasu.
Mwitondere
reroabantu
bazabavuza
amafarimbi,
bax~za
induru
mukagira
ngoni abokuribadyeri
yo haruguru
nahoni Inkotanyi
zigira
ngomwigaragaze
ahomudzibamenemo
urusasu.
Ibyobintu
mubyitondere,
mumenye
reron’abasirikare
ko bahafi
ahubwo
mwebwe
ubwoni amasiri
muzacana
n’abo
basirikare.
Rekampinire
hanokukoibibyastratégie
yo kwirwanaho
byagisirikare
abaari
ibanga
nyinentabwo
twarimena
kufiradiyo.
Nkagira
ngorerombasabe
mwesemukomere,
babaab’iGikonào,
aboku Kacyiru
n’iNyamirambo,
babamu yandimasegiteri
yosey’umugi,
mumenye
ko ingabo
zacuzihagaze
nezakandimukaba
muziri
inyuma
namwezikaba
zibizeye
n’abaturage
boseb’uRwanda
bakaba
bamhagurukiye
rimwe;
ibyobintutwakunze
kubivuga
ko iyoabantu
bahagurukiye
fimwe,
ntamtmtuushobora
kubatsinda.
Kabone
n’iyobarwanisha
ibibando
uretse
ko ibyonyineby’ibibando
na byoniibintu
byigwa
kugira
ngoumwanzi
atazavaho
kokoadutsinsura
kandiailtwelxvari
tumufite.
Nkagira
ngorerombere
yo
kugira
ngowendandekure
iyimikoro
nyisubize
Noheli,
mbibutse
ko twaktmze
kubabwira
ko tu~jya
tubabwiza
ukurihanokuriiyiradiyoyacu,nk’ukobabivuze
kerango "ukuri
gucamu ziko
ntigushya’,
tuzagenda
tubabwiza
ukudkw’iyi
ntambara
noneho
buriweseyumveko ukuriguhad
yihitiremo
kandiyumve
ko ntaburyarya,
ntaki!
Ku byabaye
reroejoku rugamba
duhereye
mu Ruhengefi,
ejomu Ruhengefi
bahabonye
amabisi
na
bulende
ahantu
hitwai MAYA.i MAYAni...harihagati
ya NKUMBAha KIDAHO,
bahabona
rero
bisina bulende
zanditseho
NRA;NRAnyineni amagambo
ahinnye
y’icyongereza
avugaingabo
za
Uganda.
Bisiha bulende
zanditseho
NRA,izobisiha bulende
rerozibazizanywe
n’iki,
za NRAmu
gihugucyacu?[Jbwoni ikimenyetso
kigaragara
cy’ukoNRA,ingaboza Uganda,
n’u Buganda
ubwazo
kt~oizon gaboad iz’igihugu
korerokokou Bugande
burimu ntambara
Inkotanyi
zirwana.
Ni ikimenyetso
kigamgara.
Iyoabantu
bavuga
bati"umuntu
yarega
u Bugande,
ntiyabura
ahoahera,
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kukoiyobisin’izo.,
n’iyo
bulende
byagaragaye
ahongaho
ahitwa
i
MAYA ejo.
Ikindi
Courd’appel
mu...murisalle,
mu cyumba
llinini
cyaCourd’appel
yo rouiRuhengeri
had
abantu
magana
abirimirongo
itandatu
baribahadbadateye,
batari
ku rugamba,
bailahonyine
bahunzeInkotanyi
aho imirwanoyabereyenonehohazamoumuntuw’ikitsocy’Inkotanyi
kibanagamo
grenade
ukoad magana
abirimirongo
itandatu
bosebitaba
Imana.
lbyobikaba
bigaragaza
ubugome
bw’Inkotanyi,
nyamara
zo zîkavuga
ko zitera
zishaka
demokarasi,
zishaka
kurengera
abanmb’inzirakarengane.
/...
I Byumba,
ku rugamba
na noneejo....
FACE B
Orateur
0.0
GAHIGI
Gapsard,
journaliste
de la R.T.L.M.
Ni ukuvuga
reroko ishobora
kuzana
ingabo
ku rugamba
cyangwa
igatwara
abakomeretse.
Cyangwa
se ndetse
ikabayazana
intwaro
n’amasasu
ku rugamba
kukoni kajugujugu
mwumva
ifite
imyanya
myinshi
ko reroishobora
kubaizanaingabo
cyangwa
ikajyana
abantu
bakomeretse
ku
rugamba
bo muriFPR-Inkotanyi.
Ikindinababwiraku rugambacyagaragaye
kandiwendamu byo mvuga mwafata
mukakigumana
kukogifiteicyokizavuga
mu byo ~obanura
nyuma,kandimu byo twakunzc
kuvuga,
ni ukomu mirwano
yabereye
ku ishuri
ritory’iJad,ku rugamba
bahabony~
abazungu
batandatu.
Ingabo
zacuzizakwicamo
babiri.
Imirambo
yayo..,
yabo..y’abo
bazungu
irahad,
n’ uyu
munsiabanyamakuru
baxibagiye
kuyisura
hanyuma
basanga
hakiri
imirwano
ikomcye
arikoibyo
ad byobyose
abareba
tcleviziyo
turiz¢ra
ko ingabo
z’uRwanda
zizabercka
imirambo
y’abobazungu
bishwc
n’ingabo
zacu.Kikaba
ad ikimenyetso
kigaragata
ha noneko hadabazungu
barwana
ku
ruhande
rw’Inkotanyi.
Ni bande?
Simbavuze
ubwotuzabibona.
lkindi
ni ukoubwona non¢icyogihebicaabazungu,
ni igitero
cuhInkotanyi
zarizagabye
ad saamunani..,
saakumin’imw¢,
zirongera
zigaba
ikindi
ni ukoInzJrabwoba
zirabahashya
adko
muriicyogitezo
na noneInzirabwoba
zirongera
zibonamo
abazungu
babifi.
Ibyoreroakabaad
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ikimenyetso
gikomeza
kugaragaza
ko hariabazungu
barwanira
FPR-Inkotanyi.
Ni bande?
Tuzabamenya.
Ikindi
cyagaragaye,
ni ukoubundî
ntamusirikare
urwana
ufiteinzara.
Twaje
rerokumenya
ko ubungubuabobasirîkare
barwanira
mu majyaruguru
y’igihugu
ibiryo
byabobivamuriUganda
bikanyura
mu Miyove
bigahita
i Kinihira
bikagera
i Mugambazi.
lbyobintureroni ukubimenya
tukamenya
koinzira
ijyana
ibiryo
bigaburira
iziNkotanyi
turwana
mu majyaruguru
ko inzira
yayo...
yabyoad iyo;ko bivamu Buganda
bikanyura
mu Miyove,
bikanyura
i Kinihira
bikagera
i
Mugambazi,
ndetse
bigakomeza
bikagera
i Rutongo.
Hanymna
mu byerekeye
ibyabaye
i Kigali,
ndumvatwabivuze
bihagije;
twavuze
ko mu
gitondotwa..nababwiye
ko ubwanjyenigereye
i OEkondoahantubita"KU RYA GATANU"
ngasanga
abantu
bishwe
n’Inkotanyi
benshi.
Ntabwo
twashoboye
kababarura,
sîntinyuka
kuvuga
umubare
kukontashoboye
kubabanlra
adkonabonye
ad benshi.
Ibyoad byobyosentabwobari
munsiy’abantu
makumyabifi
na batanu,
lbyoad byobyosen’ubwo
ntabaze
ndumva
batari
munsi
y’abantu
makumyabifi
ba batanu.
Ntabwo
natanga
umubare
arikoibyoad byobyosentibari
munsi
ya makumyabifi
ha batanu.
Abobantu
rero,
ikintu
gitangaje
niukoad abagore,
abana
n’abasaza
bailbahunze
Inkotanyî
munsi
y’umusozi
wa Rebero1’ horizon
nonehoabantubabagira
nezababonako abo basaza,
abana
n’abakecuru
badakwiye
kwican’imbeho
noneho
bafungura
akabari
ku ngufukatari
kagikora
ahantu
bitakuri"Feurouge"
noneho
bashyiramo
ba basaza,
abanan’abakecuru
kugira
ngobugame
ibijojoba
byari
bihari
kandi
birinde
n’imbeho
ya ninjoro
; ariko
Inkotanyi
ziyise
intabikangwa
zitagira
euh
sinavuga
umutima
kukokugira
ngourebeabantu
nk’abo:
abagore,abana
n’abasaza
barimu nzu
imbeho,
kugira
ngoitabahitana,
uzeubarohemo
grenades
ni igitangaza.
Kandi
kenshi
sinzi
nibaabo
banmbemera
n’Imana
yanabihanira.
Si..siniriwe
mbivuga
cyanekukobibabaje.
I Gikondo
reroahongahomuriiyobaryo kurî"feuxrouges"
Inkotanyi
zajezisanga
bo bana.,
abagore
n’ abasaza
zibarohamo
grenades
barimu nzubosebarashira.
Zishe
n’abandi
bariku marondo
zibarasa
arikozajenokwirasira
ubwazo
Inkotanyi.
Agatumbi
kari
ahagana
ku isokotwakabonye.
Ngibyoreroibyonagirango mbabwire,
nshutimwumvaRTLM.Arikouretseibyoku
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Il
mgamba,
twajekumenya
ko Patrick
MAZIMPAKA,
VisiPerezida
wa mberewa FPR-Inkotanyi
yari
mu Bugande
ejo;nonehoakabayaraganiriye
na Ambasaderi
w’igihugu
cya Tanzaniya
uri mu
Bugandeakamubwira
ko ubu ngubuInkotanyiziteguyegushyirahoGuverinoma
noneho
zikayishyiraho
zimaze
gufata
ubutegetsi
hanoi Kigali
adkongozikaba
zishaka
kuzashyh~o
n"
amashyaka..,
kuzayishyiramo
n’amashyaka
ailmuriGuverinoma.
Nagirango mbabwire
ko ibyobintuad igitangaza
muripolitique.
Ntabwowazawarasinye
amezerano
y’Arusha
y’amahoro,
ayo masezerano
avugako nta muntuuzakoresha
imbaraga,
intwaro
kugira
ngoafateubutegetsi,
noneho
nubufata
ku ngufuuvugengourashaka
gushyiramo
amashyaka
mwagiranye
amasezerano
kandiayomasezerano
avugako ntawuzakoresha
ingufu.
N’ayomashyaka
ndumvaatajyamuriiyo Guverinoma
ahubwo,
ibyoPalrîck
MAZIMPAKA
arimo
gukora
i Kampala,
ad ibintu
twita"amareshyamugeni",
ko rerouwo..bafashe
ubutegetsi
bahaho
andimashyakakugirango berekaneko wendabakundademokarasi.
Nkagirango mbwire
abatwumva
ko FPRnifata
ubutegetsi
ishyaka
rizajya
muriiyoGuverinoma
rizantangeho
umugabo
ahonzabandi hose,njyenzadshimira.
Nziko bidashoboka.
Nibabakorera
umunyagitugu,
ni
umuntu
utagabana.
FPR-Inkotanyi
nîbaishaka
gufata
ubutegetsi
ku gitugu,
ku ngufu,
ku mbunda,
ku isasu,
ukazibaza
rerongoukunda
demokarasi
uriishyaka
ngoizaguhaho,
ubanza
amasoyawe
azahera
mu kirere.
Nkagira
ngotekinisiye
wacuKAMANZI
adushyirireho
umuzika
arikombasaba
gukomeza
kubamasocyanecyaneingabo
z’igihugu,
cyanecyaneabamrage
bazishyigildye
hanyuma
nkaba
nzinjyewe
ko ku isihose,kandikugeza
ubundumva
ntamuntuuravuguruza
amateka
yo ku
isi,koiyoingabo
z’igihugu
zishyize
hamwe,
abaturage
b’icyo
gihugu
bakazijya
inyuma
kabone
n’iyo
icyogihugu
cyaba
ad gito,
kabone
n’iyo
cyaba
gikennye;
ko iyontambara
byanze
bikunze
abaturage
bayitsinda
kandinkavuga
ko n’ubwo
ntariumusirikare
ko intambara
ya kijyambere
muriikigihe
irwanwa
n’abasifikare
ikarwanwa
n’abaturage
bosebafatanyije.
Nkemeza
reroko ntamuntu
wava
hanze
ngoatereigihugu,
atereingabo,
atereabaturage,
afate
ubutegetsi
eyane
eyaneko ntaeyo
yabumaza
igiheabaturage
batamushyigikiye.
Uwibaza
rerongoazafata
ubutegetsi
abaturage
batamushyigikiye,
ntademokarasi
abunyujijemo,
demokarasi
inyura
ku matora
itanyura
kurikalaehnikovs;
uwomuntunjyewe
musabye
ko azabaga
7.9
akifasha.
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Chanson
de BIKINDI
Simonet sa troupe
Orateur
7.9-8.1
unInkotanyi
capturé
Narabishe?
Kukomuziyukoumusirikare
icyead ukwica
arikontawe narinica.
Orateur
Journaliste
Abo baturage
mubahitamo
mutekurebabo mujyanan’abomwica?Muhitamo
muteabo
mwican’abomujyana?
Orateur
Un Inkotanyi
capturé
Tweba...barabaza.
Jours.-
Babaza
iki?
Inkot.-
Nywu?Babaza
kwanza
amacartes
yaboy’intuza...
Joum.-
Y’amashyaka?
Inkot.-
Yi.
Joum.-
Amashyaka
cyangwa
identity
card?
lnkot.Huuum.
Journ.n’aya
mashyakapolitical
parties?
Inkot.Huuum.
Joum.-Uwobicase ni uwuhe?
Uwobasigarana
ni uwuhe?
ha,rin’ababa
nyine
bafite
amacartes
ya CDR.
Inkot.Hari
....
Journ.Abongabo...
Inkot.Ba...hariho
n’uvuga
...neza
turamwica.
Joum.Avuganezagute?
Inkot.Hariho
nkabavuga
ngo..,
bamara
kubafata
bakavuga
ngontabwo
bahemukira
iki..,
intuza..
Joum.Inkotanyi
Inkot.Ahaha!
Joum.Icyama?
Inkot.Icyama
cyabo
....
cya...
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Journ.eya CDR?
Inkot.Hi
Journ.Hagati
ahose?
Inkot.- Ubwobarabiea.
Arikouvuzenezaakavuga
ko ma we atazii.. ieyobapfa,ko ad
Abanyarwanda
boseba..bazira
akarengane,
baramu...baramureka.
Journ.-Hanyuma
se kukimwahisemo
Gikondo?
Inkot.Gikondo
njyewe
ntan’ubwo
nahazi?
Twaje.. mbeseubutwajead nkokunjyana
gusantazi
iyonjya.
Journ.Iyomugiye
mu giturage
mugenda
mungana
iki?
Inkot.Mugiturage?
Mugiturage
twaje
turiipalato.
Journ.Igizwe
n’abantu
bangahe?
Palato?
Inkot.Mirongo
itatu.
Ariko
reropalato
zosentabwo
arizimwe.
Joum.Zitandukanye
guterero?
lnkot.Hariho
izifite
abenshi
n’izifite
bake.
Journ.Hanyuma
se mwumva
...imigambi
yanyuni iyihenyumaya Rebero?
Inkot.Niiyokurwana
tu.
Joum.Murwanira
se iki?Murwana
n’iki?
Inkot.Kujya
batakinga.
Journ.Kwatakinga
se iki?
Inkot.-Amakampu.
Amakampu.
Joum.Amakambi.
[ yî]Ni ayahebababavuga?
Bababavuga
ayahe?
Amakampu
muzatakinga
vuba
ni ayahe?
Inkot.Erege
nkatwe
abasirikare
batontabwo
tubimenya.
Dorenk’îriya
...n’imbere
yaRebero,
twari
twayatakinze
ejobundi,
baraturasa
tuvayo.
Journ.Bisheabantu
bangahe?
Inkot.Ntabwo
aritwetwaritwagiyeyo.
Jotma.N’amakampu
ya..y’abasirikare?
Hejuru
ya Rebero
se irahari?
Ntabwo
wagiye
kwataka
mu..
mu bajepe?
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Inkot.Njyewe?
Nadmpari.
Joum.-Abantu
bapfuye
banyuni bangahe?
Inkot.Nibenshi
cyane.
Joum.ni benshi
cyaneubwoni kuvugabangahe?
Tangaumubare?
Inkot.Urareba
nk’ubu.,
hariho
nk’abo
bajyana
barwaye
babaye
bagerayo
bagapfa.
Urumva
rero
ntabwonabamenya.
Aa..
Journ.Esemurikurwanira
iki?Murarwanirira
iki?
Inkot.Numvabavuga
ngoni tthn-~anirim
u Rwanda.
Journ.
- Abomwiease si Abanyarwanda?
Inkot.Euhibyo...ntabwo
mbizi
kabisa,
ni ibindenze.
Journ.Upfakurwana
gusautaziieyourwaniye?
Ubonaariibikurenze?
lnkot.Huuum?
Njyewe?
On ne sait..,
umusirikare
ate..amtegekwa.
Ubwobababwiye
ko nimutsinda
bizagenda
gute?
Journ.Bazabahemba
iki?
lnkot.Ntaeyobarambwira.
Ieyo..ieyo
twari
tuzi,
twari
tuzibiriya
by’imisyhyikirano,
nibirarnuka
bi...binyuzemo,
iby’imishyikirano
bikomeje..,
bishobotse;
ko nk’abazava
mu ngabo
bazajya
babahaieyokubabeshaho
ku..kobavuyemu ngabo.Nahoibyo..,
ibihembo
tuzabona
mmmutse
...ngodutsinze,
ntabyo
nzi.
izindi
Nkotanyi
ziriku i Rebero,
zirimuriCNDn’ izindi
Joum.Nonesewabwira
ikiabandi
ba....
hirya
nohino?
Wa....
wababwira
iki?Isomowabaha
ni irihe?
Bakomeze
barwane
zose zîri
kugeza
igihebazatsindira
eyangwa
barekere
aho?
Inkot.Ieyanjye
nababwira
ni ukobakumvikana
kukoboseailAbanyarwanda.
Kukobanarwana
urebye
bapfaubusa.
Nonemu gihebapfaubusarerobagomba
kwihuza
bakareka
imvururu..
gutezaimvumrumu Rwanda.
Wavuze
ko mufite
amakoyi
(COY)atanuku i Rebero.
Ku i Rebero.
Ayomakoyi
yoseyose
Joum.ategekwa
n’umumajoro
umwe.Si byo?Burikoyiigatekwa
n’umuntu..,
n’umu"oftïeer"ufite
ipete
rihe?
Inkot.Nakubwiye
ko hariho
ikoyiitegekwa
ha majore,
hakaba
itegekwa
ha eapitain.
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Joun ,- Naho izindi?
Inkot.Ni...ni
abobazitegeka.
Joutn.Ama...
amamomte
yanyu?
Mortiers?
Murasa..
mura..,
muta.,
birasa
he ? Babirasa
he ubu
ngubu?
Iyomurashe
mm...bishobora
kurasa
hehe?Mubamushaka..
Objectif
yanyuni iyihe?
Inkot.Urareba
nka..,
nkadifensi
(defense)
itu..
Euh...
iturashe
natwe
niyoturasa.
Joum.Ntabwo
mufite
ahantu
murasa
mutitugiye
km-asa
hariya
hantu,
iriyanzucyangwa
iki?
Ahantu
mushaka
kurasa
ni heheubungubuha za mortiers
zanyu?
Inkot.Ubundi
ahonabonye
barasa
ejobundi
ni hariya
hakmya..,
kufikariya
gasozi
k’imbere
y’i
Rebero.
[ inaudible]
Ahaha[![
JournHanohariyo
abasirikare
bacu?I Nyanza?
Joum.Noneho
rekatukubaze
wafashwe
ute?
Inkot.Njyewe
nafashwe
bashyize
mu position
ngongende
itazakuba..,
kubavamia.
Journ.Kuba..?
Inkot.ku...kubinjidra.
Kubinjirira.
Huum.Noneho
rerobo bagiye
baransiga
barigendera.
Joum.-[inaudible].
Inkot.Nanjye
nige.,
na..naketse
ibyobabigiriye,
nanjye
biranyobera.
Joum.Bavugaga
ko bagiye
he?
Inkot.He?Basubiyeyo.
Joum.-Hehe?
Inkot.I Reb¢ro.
Journ.Ubuni ho bariurabyizeye?
Urabyemeza?
Inkot.Ntabwo
nabyemeza
kukobantaye.
Nanjye
ntabwo
nab¢meza
kukobantaye.
Sinamenye
inzira
banyuzemo.
Kandiu Rwanda
ntarwo
narinzingowendandigezayo.
Journ.Escumazeigihekingana
ikiugezeinoahamu Rwanda?
Inkot.Njyewe?
Kuvanatangira
igisirikaxi.
Joum.-Ko watangidye
uri muriCND?
Inkot.Ahaha!![Mbcse...
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Journ.[ inaudibl¢]
muriCNDwavuz¢ko warwaniy¢
mu Mutara,
nonehouzano muriCND.Donc
igihebazagaubwambcr~..,
ubwambcreha mbcr~bagez¢mu Rwanda,
ngirango muri
icyogihemuriCND mwajyaga
musohoka,
mukajya
CNDwariurimo?
Ahongahoni ho ....
hanzekureba.,
kurcba
umugi!
[I-Iuuum!]
Nonese ko uvugangoumugintabwo
uwuzi?
Inkot.Umugi?
A...urcby¢
p~’aho
twajyaga,
njyewe
ahonagiy¢
najyaga
ku Mulindi,
ubundi
nkajya
hariya
intuza..,
huuum..,
hadya
ku...
hadabazungu...
; hariya
mubifibyinshi.
Journ.mu Kiyovu?
Inkot.Mu Kiyovu.
Ni ahonagez¢
kuriAmbasade
y’aba..,
aba’oEZ".
Huuum!
Journ.nonese ubuura..,ubu ngubuubutaha
muzakora
iki?Wumvabavugaabashcfu
banyu
bababwira
ko m~oraiki muvuyci Rebero?
Inkot.Tuvuyc
i Rebero,
ni ukwatakinga
n’ubundi.
Mbeseba..bo bara...barategcrcza
bariya
b’inyuma yabokugirangobazc.
Journ.-Hanyumase kukimwish¢Umuku~w’igihugu?
Inkot.Njycibyontabwo
mbizi.
Journ.-Bavugako ad bandebamwishe?
Mwamwidye
ild?
Inkot.Numvako...njyewe
n’ibyo
numvise,
nabyumvise
kuriradiyo.
Ubundi
n’aba...n’
abakuru
bacu
nibaad bo...imipango
ad bo bamwishe?
Arikontabwo
mbizîkabisa.
Arikonumvayuko
yaguye
ku kibuga
cy’ind¢ge.
Bo se bavuga
ko baba..,
ubutaha
bazica
bande?
Journ.Huuum?Arikose nkaw¢uri umukuruw’ii..,mvugeuyoboyecompagnie
runakawaza
Inkot.kumbwira
njyew¢soldatwo mu ntuza.,
wo mu koyi(COY)yawe?
Journ.Arikose ubwontibaba
babatungiy¢
agatoki
ngo umuntunakauyu n’uyunimumubona
mumwiccc?
Inkot.Mwebwcbarabafata
bakaba..
Euh..bakababwira
bati"tugiyc
ku mishoni
(mission)
mnaka",
ubwomukag¢nda
a..iyo
mis..iyo
misiyo
(mission)
akakubwira
ati"tugiyc
ku mi...
ku misiyoaha n’aha.Ubworcromukagenda
ntimubamuziicyomukora.Mwagerayo
hakabaho
ubwobabatakinz~,
ubwomukarasana.
Joum.Hanyuma
r¢roumbwiy¢
ko waj¢nyinemuriCND,nawewariurimo.
Ngokenshi
ha kcnshi
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mukabamwarajyaga
ku Mulindicyangwase ukabawarageze
mu Kiyovuhariyakuri
Ambasade
ya Abanyatanzaniya;
aho ku Mulindi
mwarahagcra_ga
mukagar~a
mute?
Inkot.-Twebwetujyakuganflm,
MI AR yabanzagayabaraabasirikare
bagiyeikareba
n’ibyo...n’ibyo
tuvanaku Mulindiubwo~ imodokatukaza.
Kuldsa babaraga
kandimwarimuziko uko mugiyemugomba
kugamka
uko nguko.
Joum.Yatînyaga
ko twashyiramo
abandi.
Inkot.Journ.Mwarimufite
iyomigambi
se?
Inkot.Huuum?
Joum.Mwarimufite
iyo migambi
yo gushyiramo
abandi?
Iyomipango
yo gushyiramo
abandi?
Inkot.Biragomba.
Joum.-Mwashyizemo
abangana
iki noneho?
Inkot.Huuum?Harink’abotwaritw~anye
tugezeku ku..ku ntuza.,
kuribariyeri
yanyu
babasubizayo.
Ni abonzi.
Joum.Ubuse imbunda
mukoresha
ni izanyu
gusacyangwa
harin’abandi
bagenda
bizibaha?
InkotNiizacu
gusa.,
mbese
nk’abasirikare
bato.
Jour.Ntakindigihugu
cyangwa
ibindi
bihugu
bibafasha
bibaha
support?
Inkot.Ntabyo
byo..,
ibyonumvamuriRadiyo
Rwanda
bavuga
ni nka.. ni Yuganda.
ArikoYuganda
ha yontakizere
mbifiteho
kohariicyoiduha.
Ntambundase z’abazungu
mufitemukoresha?
Joum.Ubundiwowewitwaride?
Inkot.NitwaSALONGOJanvier.
Joum.-Ukomokahehc?
lnkot.MuriZayire.
Journ.Zayire
ya he?
Inkot.I Goma.
Journ.Liftumuzayirwa
se?
lnkot.Aha!!Ndiimpunzi
narinarahungiye
muriZayire.
Joum.Ubundi
se wariuvuye..,
iwanyu
ni he kavukire?
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Inkot.Ni i Gisenyi.
Nako ni muRuhengeri.
Joum.-Mu Ruhengeri
hehe?
lnkot.
Numvangoni muriKomini
Mukingo
arikonjyenabaga
ntaranagerayo.
JOUlTL- Ubuse ufite
nk’hnyaka
ingahe?
Inkot.Makumyabiri.
Journ.Wizeamashuri
angana
iki?
Journ.Atandatu
a...atandatu
mato.Ubundi
naringezemu mwakawa mberempitanza.
Joum.-Uwa mberesecondaire7
Ni he muriINSTIGO?
Inkot.Huuum?HariyakurîGoma.
JourrLKuriGomahe7Mu riheshuri"?
Hamubwire.
Ndahazi.
[inaudile]
Oyawoweurabeshya
wowe.
Idndi
shuri
rerokuriINSTIGO
ririiruhande
ryaho
niirihe?
Ryitwa
ngoiki?
Inkot.Iruhande
ya INSTIGO?
Ni ho kurîSaint-Esprit
ni ho nigaga.
Joum.Kandiwari...
Institut
Mwanga
se?
Inkot.Ye hariho
MWANGA,
hariho
n’ariya
mashuri
y’Abadivantisiti
....
niiyihe?
Journ.-Oya wowewize he? Ni MWANGA,ni MAENDELEO,
ni INSPIGOni ....
Inkot.Hariya
kuriSaint-Esprit.
[ inaudible]
Journ.
- Ubuse ni ko?Euhingabo
zanyuzirimu gihugu
ubuzigeze
ku wuhemubare?
Inkot.Ingabo
zacu?
Journ.Nyumaya bariyamagana
atandam
bajemuriCND?Abandibiyongereyeho?
Inkot.Nk’abari
i Kigali?
Journ
.-Yee..
Inkot.Ubundi
baho...bahora
biyongera
ntabwo
namenya
umubare
wabo.
Journ.Banyura
he se ?
InkotBazadirect.
Joutn.-Ntiwatubwira
ibirindiro
banyuraho
ukoubonabazadirect?
Inkot-.Harink’abajebo nzi,bo banyuze
hadyakudcampKAMI.
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Joui’n.- Bari nka
bangahe?
Inkot.Compagnie
eshanu.
Journ.
Zosezirimu mugicyangwa
zigiye
zirino mu zindi"upcountries".
zirimu mugi.
Inkot.Ziri
....
Journ.
- Gusa?
Uretse
mumugise hanoi Kiga]i
ahandi
muteganya
kuzajya
nihe?[bi?]
Uretse
hano
mu mugiwa Kigali
izindi
préfectures
muteganya
kuzajyamo
ni izihe?
Inkot.Sinzik’amabatayo
yasigaye
inyuma
ko yabayara..yaratakinze
ayandi
mapréfectures.
Journ.
Yavugaga
ko az_aza
ryari
ayobataillons?
Inkot.Ubundi
numvako yabuze
inzira.
Joum.Ayiburira
he?
Inkot.Iii?Arazaagasanga
ingabo
z’uRwanda
za...zabateze.
Journ.Kandiuvugako bazadirect?
Inkot.Bariya
barafashiwe
baraza
kabisa.
Journ.Nonehanomu mugiuretse
Rebero
ahandi
murîni he?
InkotNîhariya
kurîstade.
Journ.Iyihe
stade?
Inkot.Amahoro
Journ.Harinkabangahe?
Urebye
njyewe
nziaboturihamwenka...nka
...nkomu..nk’aho
bagiye
babagaba
ntabwo
Inkot.nabimenya
kabisa.
Hanyuma
se Ababirigi
bo muriMINUAR,
urabazi?
Warîwarababonye?
Journ.Inkot.
Narababonye
twarabanaga.
Journ.Mwabanaga
he se?
Inkot.Hariya
kuriCND.Icyogihetwajyaga
gusohoka
ni ho bagenda
imbere
yacu.
Journ.Hanyuma
seabongabose ...ubungubumuriiyintambara
turikurwana,
iyomwatald..,
ho
ntababa
bahari?
Inkot.Ntabonzikabisa.
Joum.Ntabikoresho
byabose mugira?
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Lnkot.
Ibikorcsho
byabo?
[ce]Ubwon’ubwo
babigira
iyoyabaarisiriy’abakuru.Ntabwo
njyc
nabimcnya.
Journ.
Uyumunsi..,
i Nyamirambo
tu-ahazi?
I Nyamirambo
urahazi?
Kukimwavugaga
ngo songambe~cmpakaNyarm’rambo?
ko ariho
Inkot.Ubundi
nagczc
i Rcbero
banycreka
nI<’aho
hakurya
kuricampKigali
ni hondi.....
Nyamirambo.
Joum.-CampKigaliuzi aho ail ho? Uzi aho ari ho? Wahabonyc
uri ku i Rcberocyangwa
warahagcze?
Bavugango Kigali...
ngo campKigalibazayigira
batcnoncho?CampKigali
bayivuzeho
iki?
Inkot.
Bavugaga
ko ibarasa
cyanc.
Arintawubu...wubura
umutwc
mu...mu
myobo.
Joum.Iyotumshc..,
iyobamshc
abokuricampKigali
za bombes
zibageraho
cyangwa
zi...zirarenga?
Inkot.Zibagcraho
kabisa.
Hariho
n’abana
bacubahemtse
gukomercka.
Joum.-Hariabarapfa?
Wowcuravuga
ngobarakomerctsc?
Inkot.Barapfa.
Joum.Oyandavuga
izo...izo
bombes
zizazivuye
muricampKigali
zo ntabwo
ziba...zabishc
ngo
abantubapfe?
Hapfuye
bangahc?
Inkot.Urcbyc
njyctwarahagczc.,
tugcra
hariya
Rebcro,
duhcra
ko tumanuka
cpfoku muhanda.
Company
yacunakubwiye
ko ari..,arihoyariirina..Tumazckumanuka
cpfo,ariko
twahavuyc
nkapa..nkapalato
yacuyariihasizc
abantu
babiri;
ariko
ho bakomcrctse,
ntabwo
baribapfuye.
Ba..bazizc
ibyobibombes
bigwaahonyincahonyinei Rcbcro..
Jour.Mwese ntimurasa?
InkotA ahaha!!Ntabwo
bararasa.
Joum.Muteger¢je
kuzarasa
ryarise?
Inkot.Huuum?
Nitumsa
cyanc
cyangwa
se iriya
bataillon
iriinyuma
yahoîramutse
ihegcrcye.
Hari
bataillon
yaturutsc
mu Mutara
twumva
irwanim
inyuma
y’aho.
Iriza Gatsata.
Joum.
IrizaGatsata?
Niyo izaza
ku..kugi..
lnkot.Hariya
muricampKigali.
Journ.Ni yo izazacampKigali?
Izanyura
hc?
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Inkot.Izazamuka
Gatsata
[ inaudible]
Ubumurumva
doncicaiyomu G-atsata
ni yo izaikarasinga
campKigali?
Journ.Ingana
ite7Ni bataillon
imwegusa7Imwe7Urabizi
ko ariimwe?
Nibataillon
imweni...
yeeuhtwu..,
yumva
abasirikare
bacubazi....[ interruption].
Inkot.-
Chansonde BIKINDI,"IRIGWIBY" INGABOZ’ U RWANDA"27.7-30.2
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