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photn
Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:04 pm
Howdy Guys(n of course you Gals out there)
Just letting you all know....
there are 3 types of Good quality CAI out there
I myself have a BMC CDA.
The list are:
BMC CDA
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K&N Apollo
Pipercross Viper Induction
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BLKXR4
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:05 pm
Hey all, i have just bought a K&N air intake system for the XR4.. it is awesome.. the product code is 69 4002TB.
I have not yet put it in, or for that matter picked it up. It will take a few weeks to get in.
I will let you all know if there is much of a diffrence in performance.-- id hope due to the cost..
Has anyone alreay put one in? If so what you think?
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MR-XR4
Awesome stuff.
Is that specifically suited for the XR4/ST??
I have no doubt that you will feel the gains, more in throttle response, but even more in noise from exhaust.
Can wait to hear the results.
Cheers
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BLKXR4
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Yeah, it was designed for the ST (the Euro version). It will be at my door in about 5 weeks.. so cant wait.. And thanks for
the info..
Ill try and put up some sounds when i get it..
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Unknownspeedster
rubs hands together, cant wait
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photn
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:50 am
hey congreats onthe purchase. personally i would of gone the Apollo... but hey if its designed for the ST then why not...
mind you im a bit confused why they have the rocker cover filter all the way down the neck?!
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:56 am
maybe the picture its mounted wrong, thats weird though
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BLKXR4
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:01 pm
I dont get what u guys are talking bout? Please explain.. also, i put the order on hold, because i bought it before you and i
had a talk about the apollo.. Im now looking inot that.. im going to research it a bit over the weekend to work out which
will be better.. But what are u guys discussing? (sorry to sound stupid)
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photn
its cool mate. dont stress. we all have our moments.. trust me youll see me have one soon enough..
if you look just below the filter at the end you can see what looks like a small hole for a screw...
On your standard intake system on the XR4 there is a tube going to the engine cover, that allows the rockers(moved by the
camshafts) to breathe.
my comment was in why is it so far up. essentially you can just plug it up and buy a seperate filter for the engine cover like
i have done. 12bucks from supercheap auto.
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though be careful as those filters after a hard flog seem to exhale (couldnt think of an apporate word) oil and other
contaments back in the engine bay, i had one, made my engine bay always dirty.
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photn
Well having a black car and a black engine bay im sure id be safe hahahahahaha
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Unknownspeedster
oil is brown
i think....runs to shed to check
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BLKXR4
Thanks guys, so u still think go the apollo?
U gotta admitt, that big K&N one would look inpressive under the hhood
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Unknownspeedster
personally i prefer the viper, but its quite expensive and of course it would look impressive to everyone including the cop
defecting you
lol
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Unknownspeedster
here is a pic off MR XR4's car. looking schmick! he has the appollo
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custom hose job?
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Me likey
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Unknownspeedster wrote:
custom hose job?
yup.....will look a little diff on XR4 engine.
3 colors, blue silver and red.
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The breather connector is there because oil breathers are illegal (As Unknownspeedster has said they can spray oil over the
engine bay) and it must vent back into the intake.
The proper way to do it is by using an oil catch can inbetween the engine and intake.
mattroffe: Continue with the purchase. If it's desinged for the Fiesta ST it will most likely be a simple swap job while the
Apollor and others are universal fit so you will have to go out and get a custom bracket and hose made up.
BLKXR4
the other one is legal but..
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Piotr wrote:
The breather connector is there because oil breathers are illegal (As Unknownspeedster has said they can spray oil over
the engine bay) and it must vent back into the intake.
The proper way to do it is by using an oil catch can inbetween the engine and intake.
mattroffe: Continue with the purchase. If it's desinged for the Fiesta ST it will most likely be a simple swap job while the
Apollor and others are universal fit so you will have to go out and get a custom bracket and hose made up.
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if your that worried about the breather then all he has to do is get a hole drilled into the intake pipe just after the filter.....
and connect it to the rocker cover. so simple.
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Ives
If the pod filter is properly enclosed, it's legal.
My friend didnt pass his blue slip cos his pod filter isn't shrouded.
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who wants to fit an apollo
outlawha
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:29 pm
Ok who wants to fit an apollo to my new XR4 and it has to be blue
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MR-XR4
Yeah sure im up it. If you buy it I will do it. Btw you will need a 90 degree silicone bend. Ohhhhhh i have a few of those
available for sale.
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oh, steping out of this topic.... dodgy dealing going on, lol
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what i need
outlawha
Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:36 am
Ok tell me what i need to buy ad pick up and your on you can fit it ps ill take your 90 degree bend hahahhaaah
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:23 pm
so how did we go on this... any progress?!
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BLKXR4
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:30 am
Hey guys, hope all is well,
Just a quick one, has anyone heard of Simota CAI?
I have been reading bout them and they have some good products, good price to.. there is one hand made for the ST/XR4..
I think i will buy one, firstly has anyone heard of them, secondly, does anyone wanna buy one with me, its looking around
$200.00. I belive they are big in NZ and in Japan with the drift cars..
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Any thoughts?
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The Black Panther (AKA Matt Roffe)
Yes i have heard of Simota. ther are good. a friend i know has one fitted to his fiesta zetec . a very good intake. i didnt
know they did a intake for the XR4.
post up a couple of pictures matt. and maybee a link to an article.
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PyRoMaNiAc
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i had a simota CAI on my corolla.
did the job...
Anyone looking at getting the cosworth intake plenum
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photn
lolz.. hahahah
i doubt many will be up for that just yet. hahahahah
not many people want to bugger up their insurance lolz.
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:26 pm
Dude i was thinking bout it, i saw one on the net the other day with some stats.. sweeeeet lol
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So anyways.. go for it? The simota one is not illegal.. so thats a plus..
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go hard son!
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http://www.simota.com/search_03.php?
pid=837&Car_Year=2007&send=Engine&Make=FORD&Model=FIESTA&Engine=99999
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Mate go for it and tell us how it goes.
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:53 pm
Can anyone explain:
I have been looking around at some dyno reading after people have put cool air intakes on, and it seems that namy loose a
bit of torque or power, why is that?
Are they as good as made out?
please see attached.. and note the torque with and without..
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[/url] http://www.simota.com/test_carbon.htm[url]
This same topic was bought up in my brothers corolla sportivo club, alot of guys with CAI lost low end power?
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hmm ill have alook into it mate. sorry been busy at work today which is a change! lol..
ill see what i can dig up. sorry bud
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Ur right, im just curiuos..
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Re: CAI
piez
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:02 pm
photn wrote:
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Howdy Guys(n of course you Gals out there)
Just letting you all know....
there are 3 types of Good quality CAI out there
I myself have a BMC CDA.
The list are:
BMC CDA
K&N Apollo
Pipercross Viper Induction
hi would any of them CAI fit on to the 1.6L or just the 2.0L
MR-XR4
Hey Mate,
Ive got the Apollo CAI on my 1.6L. Along with a 2inch cat back pulled 61.4FWKWS at a recent dyno run. See link for video
of it. (its the blue with side stripes. Btw its an auto. http://www.fordfiestaxr4.com/Cruises/dyno.wmv
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:49 am
piez, they will all fit on a 1.6. damo's Vid contests to that.
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piez
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:31 pm
what was the cost for the K&N Apollo?
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MR-XR4
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:52 pm
I think they are around 200-250 but excludes the black pipe attached to TB.
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BLKXR4
Hey all, i just put on the Simota Twin Carbon Charger intake system on my XR4, let me be the first to say.. OH MY GOD!
U should here it hahahaha it sounds mean.. the whole sound of the car has improved, and power.. (well i dont
know, cause i was not driving, due to certain reasons) but it seemed to have a bit more..
Sound itself is worth it.. hehehe..
Well ill put up some pics for everyone, and if someone tells me how ill put up a clip with the noise..
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If anyone is keen on buying the Simota item, i have been dealing with a great guy from VIC that can get them for a good
price.. so let me know..
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Thats great matt.
If you have photobucket you can upload video as well...
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:20 am
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U should here it hahahaha it sounds mean.. the whole sound of the car has improved, and power..
(well i dont know, cause i was not driving, due to certain reasons) but it seemed to have a bit more..
If anyone is keen on buying the Simota item, i have been dealing with a great guy from VIC that can get them for a
good price.. so let me know..
have you got any pic's of this setup yet?
BLKXR4
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:26 pm
hey mate.. sorry.. i hvae been a lazy bugger.. will take pics and put them up in my gallery
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:25 am
hey matt. what happened to the pics. im thinking bout getting one cause Apollo's are scarce and BMC's Cost too much.
looking to get one within a week or so. in time for bathurst Cruise.
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:12 pm
i dont have any pics of my whole car on this site.. an a fair bit is done to it.. i just throw it into the too hard basket cause i
dont really know how hahaha..
i promise everyone that i will get it looking clean on saturday an post up lots of pics..
photn i will text msg u some pics thisarvo of it if you want.. trust me it is awesome!!
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:08 am
okies cai...
had a look yesterday and thinking of a cai,
1. who has done this, and does it really give it more hp??? i had a cai on both my previous SSS's and help unreal with
breathing but on the SSS you could mount the pod behind the grill and airflow was awesome straight in the grill and into
the pod.
My question is looking in the engine bay dosn't seem to many spots where air would come straight onto the pod?? even via
ducting..
I know the cai systems make them any engine sound throaty and bloody awesome added with a muffler or exhaust sound
the goods but just wondering if its worth the
$$$$$
cheers
oh yeah has anyones dealers mentioned anything about it when u take it for services???void warranty on engine??
BLKXR4
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:25 am
I have one and i can feel it, it sounds awesome too.. when i went for my first service, ford re mapped the ecu so it would
work better, he also siad that it would not void warrany unless they can prove that the CAI was at fault to what ever
happens.. the head mechanic was awesoem about it..
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hey roffe
where did you get your's serviced??
got mine booked in at macarthur ford next week...
BLKXR4
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:27 pm
i got mine done at campbelltown ford near the station and c913.. they seem really professional and good at what they do.
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:44 am
cool!, all booked in for 2jan have a few little things to get fixed up so should be all good
!
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photn
so matt.. how was the saturday clean...
lol..
got any pics yet lol.
if its still to hard, just email me the images and ill post them up for you.
im still looking into getting the intake system so would really appreciate a picture.
thanksmate.
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Barney
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:56 pm
matt what cai system did u go with, how much $$ ??
cheers
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robjh80
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:04 pm
BLKXR4 wrote:
U should here it hahahaha it sounds mean.. the whole sound of the car has improved, and power..
(well i dont know, cause i was not driving, due to certain reasons) but it seemed to have a bit more..
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If anyone is keen on buying the Simota item, i have been dealing with a great guy from VIC that can get them for a
good price.. so let me know..
Hey Matt, I'm interested in one of those Simota CAI systems, If you dont mind me asking, how much did yours cost? and
where do I get one?, I cant find any details of the Australian Dealer anywhere, Rob.
BLKXR4
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:54 am
Hey all, it was around $250.00
I will get photn some pics so he can post them up!
In relation to where i got them i spoke to a bloke in Melbourne
I spoke to him yesterday about a group buy, if we get 5 people we can get them for about $200.00..
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Once i get the pics up, please let me know if you would like one and i will tee it up!
Guys you dont understand how good these things make the car sound!!!
And the pick up is very noticable..
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:56 am
Matt, id be in on the group buy (if it happens!) 100%.......it sounds like a great purchase!!! And some pics of all ur mods
will be greatly appreciated by all here, as we all know that these fezzas pack plenty potential in all aspects! Cheers man
Then ill only need to find someone for the job as i really dont trust myself with the install...
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robjh80
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:44 pm
Where are the Simota CAI's made, are they Chinese?
I dont want to get something "cheap and nasty" for my XR4
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BLKXR4
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:48 am
i think they are made in asia somewhere, but if you go to the web site www.simota.com you will realise they are not cheap
and nasty.. instal is easy Jmesh!
pics have been sent to photn, so he should be able to get them up.. it takes forever on my work system.. they try and lock
it out..
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:54 pm
i'd be in on a group buy,need to give the little beast a better tone!!! lol.... maybe post in the group offers or whatever its
called and see how many we can get/?
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photn
i went to autobarn today and found a unit made by drift,
its looks the same as the simota, carbon can its a enclosed filter so no hassles with the cops
all up with carbon can ,filter and pipe work 200 bucks sounds like a good deal to me if i go ahead with it 2morrow will post
some pics.
Thats great to hear.
Cant wait for the picks
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:58 am
the oil breather thing that some people have mentioned that comes out of the rocker covers, and on standard goes back in
to the air filter box just wondering what everyone has done with it???
if i plumb it it back into the pipe going to the throttle body then it will be after the filter(where as on factory it goes into the
airbox before the filter) not sure how this would affect the car????
or do i just get like a oil catch can!! that would look spiffy!!! under the bonnet
SEXAR4
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HOW DO YOU ADD AN IMAGE GUYS?[/img]
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HAS ANYBODY HAD TO MOVE THE ECU TO INSTALL A CAI??bloody caps/...
mine is very similar to the pic on the 1st post the bmc one and to fir it in i have to move the bloody thing!!, why did ford
put it there?? and not behind the glove box or kickpanel like 90% of cars
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HAS ANYBODY HAD TO MOVE THE ECU TO INSTALL A CAI??bloody caps/...
I bloody hope not!!! I just recieved mine today and was gonna try attack it on sat!? If thats the case....WTF?!
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:27 am
i have the enclosed type like the bmc cda, i can put a 90degree bend straight out of the throttle body then fit the filter,
then a air pipe down to befind the grill but the bloody ecu is just sticking out to far so im lifting mine and placing it closer to
the battery then bobs ya uncle!
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:03 pm
DOES ANYONE READ GERMAN?!
I recently bought a CAI from Europarts and this morning was ready to attack it, but the bloody instructions are in German!!
I know thats where it comes from and all, but WTF?! I really dont want to attempt this now as ive NO IDEA on what im doin
and have never done one before either. Can anyone help?!
Not happy jan!!!!!
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MR-XR4
Which brand of CAI did you purchase?? there is a guide somewhere on these forums on how to take off the air box etc....
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Jmesh
Thanks! It didnt even cross my mind to have a geez......the CAI is a code-red.
Ill go have a looksie
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Here you go.....
http://www.kandn.com/instructions/57-0631.pdf
http://www.kandn.com/instructions/RC-5052AB.pdf
Im debating weather to do mine today hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm its only a newbie at 2000kms......
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Cheers for that mate! I guess they all work along the same sorta lines......i was about to get the english translation done
but i dont think ill need it now. Thanks again.
Will attempt it tomorrow now, just gotta make sure i have the right tools for the job!
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:10 pm
First mod is officially done. WOOHOO i feel like one of the gang now.
Took me all of 15mins to take out all the excess plastic including airbox. The K&N filter guide was really helpful.. but how
the hell to you remove the second resonator holding braket? its kinda wedged into the support beam thingie. Anyways that
was the only issue i had but is probabaly best if left there incase i wanna change back. Another smaller issue was taking off
the oil breather pipe but that was fixed by leaving it attached to the airbox. I just bunged on a small oil filter which is a bit
old to the end straight off the engine cover
There really is limited space to move around in there though. You cannot fit the cold air feed pipe because of this. The CAI
pod fits in nice and snuggly just above the ECU. Im quite suprised at how big the TB is : like god dam. I had to squeeze the
silicone bend on to it with a bit of effort but that bitch aint gonna go anywhere anytime soon.
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Only thing to do next is paint the pod enclosure as red looks outaplace. Was thinking either black gloss or chrome for bit of
BLING. Also a new K&N oil breather. Might give the engine a bit of a clean too.
I havent taken it for a drive as yet, but as soon as I started it up the noise is much different and this was only at idle. The
car went up and down in revs obviously adjusting itself bit. On my zetec i always had the cold air feed pipe on and this
somewhat reduced the air sucking sound. In the XR4 the engine noise overpowers but hopefully this will change.
Anyways here are some pix.
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Congrats on the first mod, and not a bad choice either. I'm definitely looking into a K&N CAI in the next few weeks. I've
been looking on their website and there are a couple of different types. Which one have you got and how much was it?
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Just got back from a spirited run and am a very happy camper. Just tap your foot on the go pedal and you hear a nice
sucking sound. Problem is once you are above 3000rpm all the way to 6000rpm all you hear is a growl from the exhaust. It
sounds even louder than the engine but have no idea why. On the Zetec you could hear the induction noise gradually build
as the revs increase which gave a nice whistle sound. I WANT THAT BACK. It might have done that with the cold air feed.
Hmmmmmmm Damo will have to investigate. I did notice a bit better response in acceleration but im sure it will get better
once the car is over 3000+ kms. Its still a newbie.
Anyways im very happy as this is the first of many mods to come. I honestly believe that a CAI, exhaust and a remap
(dreamscience) is the best bang for buck. I somewhat feel that the stock muffler is very restrictive and kind of choking the
car a bit. But at the moment I am not complaining.
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Thanks.
Its called K&N Apollo CAI. I go it off a friend about 2 years ago. They sell for $250-$280 can come in blue, red or silver. ooo
ooo i might paint mine metalic blue ooo ooo.
On an Auto Zetec it provided 5kws at wheels, but id love to dyno it at 3000kms for shits and giggles. BMC or GGR might
prove to be better but i trust K&N.
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:31 am
MR-XR4 wrote:
Thanks.
Its called K&N Apollo CAI. I go it off a friend about 2 years ago. They sell for $250-$280 can come in blue, red or silver.
ooo ooo i might paint mine metalic blue ooo ooo.
On an Auto Zetec it provided 5kws at wheels, but id love to dyno it at 3000kms for shits and giggles. BMC or GGR might
prove to be better but i trust K&N.
the difference is that ivan has a more restrictive exhaust. thats why.. ohh and he had a Panel
it doesnt prove 5kw
filter.... + Different fuel.
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That looks the goods Damo
NOw i need some help with mine....can anyone recommend a place for the install? Im not afraid of spending money as long
as the job is done properly the first time. If i cant, i think id be leavin it stock and puttin it up for sale, which i REALLY dont
wanna do, as ive already adressed the restrictive cat and muffler....HELP
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hey mate
Post a pic of the CAI yove got so i can get an idea of what you have..... i might be able to help you out.
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Hey Photn, its a Code:red from Euro-parts, i got no photos of it, but theres a pic here if that might help...
http://www.european-parts.net/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=83_85&products_id=762
This is all unchartered waters for me.....
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Jmesh,
Serious mate don't pay someone to put that on....
It's a piece of piss, tools needed..
1.screw driver flat head
2.star socket(which i found at supercheap)
3.13mm socet or spanner/sml shifter
I think that was it.
Mine was a bit different to most peoples on here, as i got a drift cai, itis like a big cannon shape so..had to move the ecu.
I will post in the how to just if anyone is interested.
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:18 pm
how to done...might help someone??
okies so my cai is in!!! bloody hell what a difference.
The sound on idle is not really much louder, anything over 1/3rd of the way on the right foot and you can hear the sucking...
then it hits 3500rpm AND OHHH it sounds like a mongrel dog is under the bonnet!!its pretty loud, even driving daily i now
get looks!!,
I had to move the ecu up to beside the battery and have a 90 degree bend out of the TB to the air filter, the out the other
side a pipe ducting to behind the lower grill.
The air filter was a definate restriction, its sounds awesome and has picked up a few KW's for sure.
And yes its all fully legal as its enclosed and dosent affect warranty!!!!
This was worth thr money, recomend this mod to anyone.
Everyone who has installed the apollo's and stuff where does the air come from?? as the pod seems to be behind the light,
with not much air flow, but im 100%sure its better than standard.
MR-XR4
Barney, can you give us some pixs/guide to move the ECU as I really want to put in the cold air pipe, but at the moment
there isnt enough room. I had a long ard look under the engine and the best place to get cold air that is rammed in the gap
between the lower grill and fog light. The cold air outlet on mine is approx 2.5inch.
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J Mesh:
It really is piss easy to do. Just use the guide as a reference. One suggestion is the diameter of the 90 degree bend need to
be 3inch to fit over the TB and also measure the pod outlet. I managed to fit a 2.5inch bend but too some effort.
If anyone needs help installing just let me know. Ive done it a dozen times.
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Thought i'll chuck this up here as i found it very easy to interprete, pic's and all!
http://www.fordfiestast.co.uk/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=79906&an=0&page=0#79906
I'm looking at getting the K & N Apollo but where could i get this 90degree bend? I'm confident with everthing besides
that. Would i have to change it back to the original filter come 3000km time?
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You can pic one up from Rocket Industries, Supercheap, Autobarn etc for under $20.
I am leaving mine on when it come to service.
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oh ok
You looking into maybe making a heat shield? I've read that since it's pritty close to the engine it can absorb some heat
as opposed to the K & N Typhoon which sits lower in the bay. Don't ask me details cause thats all i remember
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The K&N Apollo is enclosed to prevent any heat from engine bay, but attaching the cold air pipe is even better. If I can get
an idea on how to move the ECU then it will be much easier to see any difference.
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OK boys, i got it on FINALLY and you were all right!! PISS EASY!! Only problem now is that i need to move the ECU like
Barney did, to actually fit the ducting and filter cover. Where the F does that go?!
Also, the pipe supplied which goes from the filter pipe into the engine didnt quite match the little pipe on the side of the 90
degree bend, and seeing how Pirtek is one of my works clients, i think ill see them to get a better replacement. Other than
that, it should all hold in place.....i hope!
Went for a drive, goes beaut, but really need to finish off the ductin properly to get the proper effects.
Thanks fellas for all your help n advice.....VERY MUCH APPRECIATED!!!
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Damo, yeh your right, i was looking at a UK site where they dont need an enclosier on the pod.
If you do end up moving the ECU take pix or make a How to thread please mate, seems to be a common issue with it
geting in the way, atm i wouldn't bother touching it.
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I'll get some pics up soon, its not the most spectacular bracket, but hey i had some aluminium sat round at home and a
little cutting and bending and works a charm, with a few cable ties just to make sure.but its fiddlely!!!
Has any body noticed the size of the throttle body seems to be rather small...with only 70mm??is is just me or does that
seem small??? im sure the one on my SSS was bigger, bout 80,85mm i think
Jmesh
Thatd be great Barney....was there any drilling required? Im not a fan of puttin in new holes into new cars, or old ones for
that matter.
The german instructions i got with my CAI showed the movin of the ecu, and also came with about 5 brackets, so hopefully
when i translate it it should be a pretty straight forward, yet very tight & fiddly job.
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Hey Damo, where did u get the oil breather from (the one in ur pix)?
I was thinkin puttin one on since my breather line isnt the best quality material or fit. Will be goin past some of the auto
stores after work for a looksie.
UPDATED - Found the breather and a shorter 90 degree tube in Autobarn Bankstown.
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http://www.fordfiestaxr4.com/forums/g2data/main.php?g2_itemId=718
Fitted my K & N Apollo today ($208) Only taken it on one straight run and i can say the sound from 3k onwards was well
noticable! I got jibbed hard on buying the fittings for it but i couldn't wait any longer
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I installed Jessie's (Outlaw) Apollo on the weekend. Once again very simple install to do with no dramas. Took it for a test
drive and the difference is instanatious. Compared to mine after Apollo install and he has 8500kms it was pulling harder
than a virgin and i always had a smile on my face. 3000rpm up you feel the difference and the exhaust note will gradually
get louder once the ECU has adjusted. I cannot recommend this mod anymore.
Now its time for a Gear gate hehehehehhe
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:58 pm
Hi boyz
I went to autobarn and repco in my area Western suburbs and one said they never heard of Apollo and repco said they dont
make it for xr4s
Where did you get yours from??
And should i get apollo or K&N typhoon kit?
But i definetaly want to get a short ram?
Will you help me to get one for myself...
Thaks
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i believe its an out of the box filter with the extra fittings and not a direct kit for the XR4
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Rocket Industries is the direct importer of K&N Air Filter for Australia and should be able to order you in one. Its not specific
for the XR4 as its a universal fitment.
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has anyone bought the K&N 69 4002TB which is the K&N system built for our cars..
Its pretty pricey.. but im interested again..
Has anyone gone ahead with it..
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Hey Matt,
Dont you have the Simota Air Charger installed??? What happened??
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So which one do you guyz recommend?
What about typhoon short ram
I am sick of it and i want to get one as soon as possible and get it out ofmy way
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To be honest i want one for the sound i love it
I am not after hps or performance, i dont mind if i get more power though:))
still waitin for your recommendations becoz i have no idea about the intake systems and i havent had one before...forgive
me for my ignorance.......
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yeah im really happy with my simota.. i just like the other one.. it just looks good hahaha..
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I have been currently looking at that exact item actually, but im also lookin at the 57i kit......decisions, decisions.
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The typhoon looks unreal, and will match with my cars colour, but expensive......i think thats whats gonna be the deciding
factor.
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:26 pm
I finally made my mind up and went ahead with the K&N 57i kit and just finished installin it. I gotta say, this is a beaut bit
of kit!!! The fit and finish is awesome! So rock solid!! Luckily i changed it today as once i removed the crappy code-red filter
i noticed the spongey filter material had a split at the join that looked like a gapin stab wound!! I have no idea how long
that was like that for, or what type of nasties may have entered my engine, but never again am i strayin away from the
K&N brand. Next up is a Milltek flexi pipe - cant wait!!
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does anyone know of anyone in Australia going ahead with the Graham Goode CAI from the UK?
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lol...
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there are a bunch of guys on the other forum who have got it. a bit overpriced imho for just a filter that filters air.
I do like the fact that it filters coldish air rather than hot air from around the engine bay though like some of the cheaper
ones!... (and yes there are others that do the same but boy does it look like a neat installation.)
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If you're going to spend so much money, at least make it something that's going to give an actual increase in power, not
just a *feeling* of improved performance or a great noise.
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If you're going to spend so much money, at least make it something that's going to give an actual increase in power,
not just a *feeling* of improved performance or a great noise.
Exactly, although I imagine getting your money back on a part ordered from the UK when you have no gain on a dyno
could be "interesting".... LOL
Reminds me I just ticked over 5000kms..... time for the cars first dyno run.
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crosspug wrote:
photn wrote:
there are a bunch of guys on the other forum who have got it. a bit overpriced imho for just a filter that
filters air.
I do like the fact that it filters coldish air rather than hot air from around the engine bay though like some of the cheaper
ones!... (and yes there are others that do the same but boy does it look like a neat installation.)
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quite right, not arguing that it looks like a neat and good unit. but for 600ish Aud?? personally thats a tad too much, some
have a simota, or a K&N apollo, and they are both cold air induction kits. I also dont believe that the GGR intake scoops up
cold air, more like cool air, as the intake is still at engine height, ware as a few others with pipes have it comming from the
bottom of the car which scooops up the cold air. (relatively that is).
in all honesty the open pod is not as bad as the open pods on other cars, for instance mine, mine i know will suffer heat
soak due to its location, the benifit of th Duratec with the intake on the front allows the filter to be located up front before
the engine(or next to) and thus allowing it to get relatively cold air.
But at the end of the day you are still only looking at about a 5-10hp gain Fly with whatever kit you get. And depending on
why you are getting it will depend on how much you want to spend. At the end of the day when it comes down to it, if you
spend 208 and get the K&N Apollo you will probably get 6or7hp, and get a good bang for buck mod, or if you into bling and
the VERY best for your XR4, you can get the GGR just for the look of it for 600.
Up to the individual i suppose.
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I've ordered one of these
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Its from a company called Motor Cade in SouthAfrica
This kit is specifically made for the st150 and comes with aluminum tubing (mandrell bent) ceramic plastic shield / case. It
comes with its own breather pipe like the K&N 57i and all the silicone couplers and brackets for attachments to the xr4.
Inside there is a cotton Simota filter.
There are two option for colour.
full carbon fibre look (heat proofing)
or chrome pipes with red case / shield
the best thing....only $150 shipped to australia......love that currency exchange
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mate, that is a WICKED find.
Kudos to you for this find. let us know how it goes and what she sounds like mate. cheers.
me like.
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the euro cars, recommended BMC. I must admit, I'm a newbie to this area. Does anyone know much about them?
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BMC are above K&N. they are Pretty much top of the line. if you check out the first page there should be a link to them.
I was going to get a BMC but the price of the K&N was too good to refuse.
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hey guys im going to clean my GGR CAIS tomrrow is there an easy way to get the filter out or do i hvae to ull the case out
too??
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Is the Typhoon Kit the best K & I filter available for the XR4? If so, what's the major difference between it and the 57i kit?
Other than price, of course.
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the difference between the two are that the Typhoon kit actually sinks to the bottom of the car picking up the colder air.
The better kit would be the K&N apollo for the XR4. sucks in Colder air and creates a vortex that increases air flow.
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the difference between the two are that the Typhoon kit actually sinks to the bottom of the car picking up the colder air.
The better kit would be the K&N apollo for the XR4. sucks in Colder air and creates a vortex that increases air flow.
Cheers. I'll be going with the Apollo. Let you all know how it goes. Hopefully I can have it in for the cruise next saturday
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any reason why you guys havent gone with the stock system and added a 2nd CAI where the resonator is? That way you
dont have hot air from the engine bay and youre using an existing (proven) system...
Or is it the 'sound' you guys are after?
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:40 am
Bain wrote:
any reason why you guys havent gone with the stock system and added a 2nd CAI where the resonator is? That way
you dont have hot air from the engine bay and youre using an existing (proven) system...
Or is it the 'sound' you guys are after?
The stock system is very restrictive. The less plastic and travel the better gain. The best in terms of that is K&N apollo or
K57i thingie as its very close to the throttle body.
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The less plastic and travel the better gain. The best in terms of that is K&N apollo or K57i thingie as its very close to the
throttle body.
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Ahh no.. Whether the air is coming from a duct directly out of the bonnet or through a pipe is irrelevant. What counts is the
flow and volume of the air entering your plenum.
Your comment should read, "more air (cold) = better performance.". If you can keep the stock system and add a secondary
cold air intake then this would be of better benefit than sticking a pod directly in the engine bay.
Have any of you guys actually done flow testing on the stock system?
The K&N Apollo has one 70mm entry point. As this is a round pod, air is only being compressed onto the top of the filter. I
havent seen inside the Apollo setup but most K&N filters have a metal badging on the top. So effectively the air has to work
around the badging to get to the rest of the filter - reducing its overall flow.
The K57i has no heat shielding. Youd be worse off with this system unless you drop it down into the front of your bumper.
Any pod in an engine bay without proper heat shielding is going to be worse off than the stock system whether or not there
is a pipe pointing at the pod..
As Ive only just bought my XR4, i havent really had a chance to pull the induction system apart to really look at it..
Ives
Bain wrote:
Any pod in an engine bay without proper heat shielding is going to be worse off than the stock system whether or not
there is a pipe pointing at the pod...
False.
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Hmmm, I don't know a great deal about the specific functioning, but I was under the impression that, so long as it was
taking in cold air, there as a performance enhancement. Agreed, with hot air coming in, it can actually have a negative
impact on performance. But, even without great heat shielding, I would imagine that the K&N is well ahead of the stock
system. Why would K&N make a system inferior to a stock set up?
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Hmmm, I don't know a great deal about the specific functioning, but I was under the impression that, so long as it was
taking in cold air, there as a performance enhancement. Agreed, with hot air coming in, it can actually have a negative
impact on performance. But, even without great heat shielding, I would imagine that the K&N is well ahead of the stock
system. Why would K&N make a system inferior to a stock set up?
Good question and ill answer it in a minute.
Bain, The stock sytem is good, but the problem is that there are a whole bunch of casims on the intake. they have basically
squeezed and flattened the intake system to fit under the bonnet.
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Unfortunately the XR4 is not like any larger car. any mods have a small effect on the performance of the car as the car is
already highly tuned to get the best power and economy out of the engine.
It has already been proven many a time with the boys in the UK that the stock system is way too restrictive, its not the
initial resonator, but the actual path that the air has to take. The air comes in right next to the TB and has to travel up over
the engine, and back down to the throttle body. Not to mention that the air is squeezed through the pipes.
I understand your volume of air statement and agree. But to put it frankly and simply the XR4's Intake system is restrictive
to all Buggary.
Something like a K&N apollo is definatetly going to help the flow and the responsiveness. agreed that its not the best setup
but there is no arguement that it increases power and responsiveness. Personally i would go with something like the Simota
Twin carbon Charger system or the BMC CDA or the Pipercross Viper intake as they all create a Vortex within the carbon
fibre wrapped heat sheild which assists in air flow.
Hope that helps.
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:43 am
Well said, that explains both sides of that arguement perfectly!
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Wow, your knowledge is not only vast and expansive it has helped everyone greatly!
photn wrote:
the stock system is way too restrictive, its not the initial resonator, but the actual path that the air has to take. The air
comes in right next to the TB and has to travel up over the engine, and back down to the throttle body. Not to mention
that the air is squeezed through the pipes.
I understand your volume of air statement and agree. But to put it frankly and simply the XR4's Intake system is
restrictive to all Buggary.
Hope that helps.
Thanks for the explanation photn
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Thanks. That's good to know.
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Bain wrote:
Thanks. That's good to know.
I think you misread between the lines.. I was basically calling you a tossbag..
MR-XR4
What exactly is a tossbag???
Anyways this thread has kinda gone off track so lets keep it sensible or the slipper will come out....
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:31 pm
LOL, just like every other Warm/Cold Air Intake thread on every other car forum in the world..... Love it...
Autospeed have some cool articles (written by Julian .....umm... someone) about measuring air pressure in intake systems,
simple equipment but seems to be quite reliable. Much better than getting pure dyno numbers because on a dyno your not
actually moving (fans cannot re-create real world airflow across the car, into air intakes etc...) and etc..... Jaycar also sell a
cheap remote thermometre that is good for adding to the air intake and working out how warm the air really is entering the
engine.
It seem I may have another project in the future.....
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yeah, i was thinking about getting a thermometer of sorts and measuring intake temperatures as well...
i looked into my airbox yesterday and laughed. the filter is about the size of a CD case, that has to go. ill have a look at
some of these kits and see what i want to do.
hey jono, you sold the BX didn't you? joel was carrying on about it! he needs an XR4 too.
ill be up in sydney in october/november and we can have XR4 battles
photn
as of recently i have gotten a scanguage for my car which displays my intake temp.
I have noticed that with my K&N typhoon kit that the temp will rise when im stationary, but as soon as i get moving the
temperature drops right down to the ambient temperature outside.
quite interesting.
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This kit is specifically made for the st150 and comes with aluminum tubing (mandrell bent) ceramic plastic shield / case.
It comes with its own breather pipe like the K&N 57i and all the silicone couplers and brackets for attachments to the
xr4. Inside there is a cotton Simota filter.
How'd you go with this one Vic? That price is very tempting.
crosspug
paul_b wrote:
yeah, i was thinking about getting a thermometer of sorts and measuring intake temperatures as well...
i looked into my airbox yesterday and laughed. the filter is about the size of a CD case, that has to go. ill have a look at
some of these kits and see what i want to do.
hey jono, you sold the BX didn't you? joel was carrying on about it! he needs an XR4 too.
ill be up in sydney in october/november and we can have XR4 battles
LOL wondering when you'd rock up here....... BX is gone..... in more ways than one. Hmmmm XR4x2 vs 406 basemodel.....
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i was actually struggling to find a decent forum that gets posted in regularly! that feistatoc site wants 10pounds to have at
look at the technical section? no thanks!
i have 2 or 3 i visit now.
a CAI is on the cards for sure now. time frame - after sydney i fear.
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vic_xr4 wrote:
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This kit is specifically made for the st150 and comes with aluminum tubing (mandrell bent) ceramic plastic
shield / case. It comes with its own breather pipe like the K&N 57i and all the silicone couplers and
brackets for attachments to the xr4. Inside there is a cotton Simota filter.
How'd you go with this one Vic? That price is very tempting.
the quality is very good, however i could not get it to fit properly(its very big compared to K&N. The unit had to be pushing
into the battery case for it to properly connect to the throttle body. This caused a crack in both the the plastic battery case
and the case for the kit....so im back to the stock intake for now.
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:47 am
Can anyone who has the Code Red CAI, please take a pic of where the ECU is mounted?? or a picture of the brackets, as i
plan to move mine on the weekend.
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:40 pm
Sorry Damo, can't help ya there. My cold air pipe is a right pain, though. There just isn't enough room to manoeuvre the
pipe. Does anyone know where else I can find a decent cold air pipe that'll actually fit the Apollo? I'm looking at something
smaller, so I can aim it through the front grill.
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:41 am
I just removed the cold air pipe completely this morning. It's been nothing but trouble since the beginning and, with the
rain, I decided it was best to remove it. Lucky I did, because it was pushed virtually against the light, it was already tearing
in a few places. I'm thinking of replacing it with something smaller, or just leaving it as it. Does anyone think it's worth the
hassle having it on?
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:49 pm
Hey Brett,
Im still trying to work on moving the ecu and have come across this:
http://www.larkspeed.com/index.pl?p=134BNH102&a=i
It looks to be more durable and flexible than the stock Apollo pipe.
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Barney
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:24 pm
thats the stuff that came with mine!, its very flexible as mine comes straight off the TB with this ducting to the cai pod and
all good!!
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MR-XR4 wrote:
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Hey Brett,
Im still trying to work on moving the ecu and have come across this:
http://www.larkspeed.com/index.pl?p=134BNH102&a=i
It looks to be more durable and flexible than the stock Apollo pipe.
aza5c
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:57 am
I'm pretty sure that flexible "ribbed" tubing/hose is available off the shelf in a wide variety of sizes from places like ENZED,
PIRTEK, H.I.S HOSE (VIC), PURPLE PIG etc, as they all sell varieties of "Automotive" hose products, i'd ring around and get
the bext price, and i'm confident it would be cheaper and easier than ordering it in from Overseas. anyway thats my 2
cents, cheers.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:19 pm
Thanks for the info Aaron. I got a quote from Purple Pig, and can get about 10Metres for under $30. Very similar to the one
from LarkSpeed. I will be ordering 75mm diameter which will fit in the XR4 engine bay no probs. Ill be using 2meters for
myself so if any one wants 1meter let me know.
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MR-XR4 wrote:
Thanks for the info Aaron. I got a quote from Purple Pig, and can get about 10Metres for under $30. Very similar to the
one from LarkSpeed. I will be ordering 75mm diameter which will fit in the XR4 engine bay no probs. Ill be using
2meters for myself so if any one wants 1meter let me know.
Cheers for the info, Damo. I think I'll be doing the same thing. If you need 2 metres, though, I think I would need roughly
the same? The 75mm should fit comfortably in the engine bay, but will it be alright connecting to the pod?
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Hey Brett,
Ill do some more measurements tomorrow but last time i checked 76mm will fit around the Apollo opening and/or the OEM
CAI pipe end. Might just beed a clip to secure it all. But i guess ill be the guinea pig
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Post pics of the result
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:29 pm
Well the shit hit the fan. The quote was for a very similair tube but wasnt as flexible as the on in image i posted.. And it
was $22 per meter with a minimum of 10 meters. So i back to the drawing board.
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:33 pm
MR-XR4 wrote:
Well the shit hit the fan. The quote was for a very similair tube but wasnt as flexible as the on in image i posted.. And it
was $22 per meter with a minimum of 10 meters. So i back to the drawing board.
That sucks. Do you think the one you posted on the link might be the best bet? It just seems such a pain finding something
suitable.
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:25 am
The easiest option atm is to get it from overseas.. But there has to be other places that supply similar??? The one i went to
yesterday had one exactly the same but same thing minimum purchase is 10meters and the smallest was 6inch diameter
which is a bit hardcore. They also said the one I wanted had a low heat resistance to 90 degrees where as the one they
offered me was up to 120. I am personally gonna give it rest for a bit as i cant afford to get 10meters etc.
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Which would be suitable for the XR4?
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crosspug
http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pages/products/category_results.mhtml?
category=bmccdainductionkits&car=fordfiesta&manufacturer=bmc&sub_category=1
Which of these BMC / CDA INTAKE SYSTEMS would be suitable for the XR4?
None of them in that link, they are for the 1.4 and 1.6L engines only by the look of it.
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BMC / CDA INTAKE SYSTEMS
avidaicu
Tx Juno...so where would I be able to get one for the XR4?
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BMC / CDA INTAKE SYSTEMS
avidaicu
...or which intake system would you recommend for more airflow?
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What do you guys reckon about this CAI kit. Looks pretty good and you can get it complete with a k&n filter for just over
$200.00 AUD.
http://inductionkits.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=102_109&products_id=506
Would you need to move the ECU or anything by the looks of that picture???
Hmm they dont really give you detailed pictures. To me it just looks like a 90 degree bend then you just chose which
airfilter you want.. But going off the picture ECU needs to be moved.
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crosspug
Is it just me or does that pipe seem to drop the filter VERY low in the engine bay with no protection against water??
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It does look fairly low, but it is hard to tell from a vertical photo like that...
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I actually noticed that too.. Remember a non enclosed pod filter is illegal and if it sits low in the bay its worse off.
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paul_b
Its only illegal if you get caught!
But seriously, boxing them is better as you get lower intake temps too.
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:25 pm
I just jumped on the simota website, and they don't seem to make the xr4 ones anymore...
As a lot of you guys have had your CAIs for over a year now, are there any definite winners?
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JeffC
racergirl wrote:
i know K&N 57i induction kits are very popular and are mainly used on xr4/st's aroundthe world.
i have researched some and the powertec is a winner in my eyes.
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JeffC
racergirl wrote:
i know K&N 57i induction kits are very popular and are mainly used on xr4/st's aroundthe world.
i have researched some and the powertec is a winner in my eyes.
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crispymk2
GGR CAI hands down in all areas except for price.
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GGR CAI, GGR FMIC, GGR Hard front pipe, GGR RS DV, Mongoose 3" Turbo back + High flow CAT into twin 4.5" slash cut tips, KU36's =
pop pop bang bang + big stupid grin
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:22 am
crispymk2 wrote:
GGR CAI hands down in all areas except for price.
I agree. I have a GGR installed and am very, very pleased with it. Unlike other CAI's , GGR have specifically desgined this
for the XR4/ST. Which means it fits perfectly and is very easy to install, plus it has a bell-mouth assembly which feeds cold
air straight in.
http://www.grahamgoode.com/website/parts.php?website=19&nav=83&item=GGF1022
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:36 pm
Problem with the GGR is that your still restricted by the tiny air feed opening in a poor area, just above the radiator, that
the stock intake uses.
Having said that, in the real world there is a bees dick of difference between all intake solutions use the standard throttle
body.
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:14 am
I'd love to get the GGR but it's a little out of the price range...
So apart from that one, what are the recommendations on either of the K&Ns or the Simota?
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Id go K&N, easy to install and cheap.
www.ebay.co.uk
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crispymk2
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:34 pm
Yeah, K&N is by far the best "bang for buck".
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GGR CAI, GGR FMIC, GGR Hard front pipe, GGR RS DV, Mongoose 3" Turbo back + High flow CAT into twin 4.5" slash cut tips, KU36's =
pop pop bang bang + big stupid grin
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:02 am
has anyone tried the motorcade CAI from south Africa yet? they have two versions and i really like the more expensive one
with the box that mounts real low and compared to others its still reasonably cheap.
Cheers Zac
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paul_b
Dunno... Might get pretty wet down there?
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its in a box so should be fine... a little bit of water is fine aslong as you dont go doing river crossings.
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Got a link to this Motorcade one?
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http://motorcade.co.za/index.php?
main_page=product_info&cPath=137_13_147&products_id=287&zenid=cf1623d6513fd462c10302fbb8d2beac
The SRI looks ok. I was talking to a guy in Jo-berg that has one fitting, and he's happy enough with it
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geohatrick
i like this one better... in a box and colder air = win win and with the exchange rate its still cheap.
http://motorcade.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=137_13_147&products_id=450
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Spotted a few threads on the SA fez st forums and they seem to really like it.
So 500 RAND = 71 AUD plus postage. Sounds pretty good.
200 AUD local for the apollo, or 600 for the GGR.
Someone earlier in the thread said it was roughly $150 AUD all up to get the motorcade one. Sounds like a go to me!
paul_b
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VIC
I have sent them an email at Motorcade to see what sort of price postage would be for the one under the car...
This one: http://motorcade.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=137_13_147&products_id=450
The filter is extra and the K&N adds another R550. So all up before postage its $191 at the moment, as 1AUD = 0.14Rand.
Im also looking at the CAI for an Audi S3 1.8T as well, so postage will be more than normal id say.
No reply as of yet, but ill keep you guys informed.
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if you fill out an order it shows you how much postage is cant remember off hand but it wasnt very much i think when i
priced it up it came to like 210-220 which is really good i think.
Cheers Zac
Location: Sydney
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paul_b
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I read their terms and conditions, it said for international orders you need to email them for postage costs as the costs on
the site are only for local postage only.
I'll go through the ordering system and see what postage costs I can get...
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They responded, they told me that it would be R400 to get it sent out here.
But if I was getting sent out another one, then it would be R700.
R400 ~ $56
R700 ~ $98
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Paul what's the difference between the K&N and the Simota on that kit? Why is it so much more for the K&N, aren't they
both just the filters?
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I am not sure what the difference to be honest, but yes, they are just filters... I have only ever used K&N or GreenCotton
filters, and never had any experiences with Simota.
I haven't ordered anything yet, so I may have a look into both of them.
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J
If you do some more reseach and convince me the motorcade is the way to go I'll order one with ya and save on postage
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I do think it's a bit tacky in it's design - both the short and extended filters. The K&N is a proven and brand name short pipe
intake and the GGR/pumabuild make use of the slam.
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