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EDITOR: debate boils down to which came first the chicken or the egg? Did the collapse of the
South tower cause a mushroom-shaped plume to appear remotely near building 6 or 7, or did a
detonation at 6-7 [possibly a pulsed blast at a precise harmonic frequency] do a death-knell to
the weakened towers? In recap to the diverse comments below the questions here remain:
A. The immense plume happened we think prior, maybe only seconds, to the collapse of the
first or south tower. Seismic: http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/560_COX.GIF
B. Even if the South tower was beginning to collapse [at 9:59] I still wonder why such a
compression plume would burst up so remotely rather than ring-around the actual base in a
tighter circumference to the South tower?
C. The plume came up near building six or seven.
D. Even if the South tower were indeed beginning to implode and telescope downward It would
like the North tower would act as a barricade to block the flow of any smoke and debris.
E. Also the plume burst up so suddenly and vertically from a most specific territory.
F. Amazingly the location of the plume corresponds on the recon sat map with the most
pronounced crater of the entire area of destruction.
F. In my timeline reckoning the WTC residents were still successfully leaving the main towers,
at least the North tower, at the time of this most specific and seemingly isolated and welldefined event. Would not a compression event as expressed so profoundly in the designated
plume have had more effect on the overall evacuation ordeal? MOST IMPORTANT See this
Kronos sat aerial and red location circle indicating the location of the plume:
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/wtclayout.html More comments
Collapsing towers caused seismic shock
Note: BBC pulled this file. Saved here if
needed for research.
[Resonant frequency was supposedly 10hz]
NOTES
Collapsing towers caused seismic shock
[UPDATE] However, the seismic signals from
the five events on 11 September differed from
a small earthquake in significant ways. They
were richer in low-frequency energy and
poorer in high-frequency energy.
Updated Images GIF ANIMATION &
NOTES SLEUTHS : additional analysis most
eagerly sought
EDITOR'S BASIC ONGOING AND
UNEASY QUESTION: What happened
here?
The south tower goes just before 1430 GMT
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Date: 9/21/01 12:03:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time
What occurs to me after looking at the seismic record....as one who read a seismic record every
morning....is that its very difficult to tell what exactly the time duration was between the first
and second spikes....as a rule each one of those marks should have been a minute and there
should be 60 mm between the two marks, therefore my measuring with a ruler you can
determine the number of seconds between the two. There are two types of seismic waves P and
S waves. P waves or compressional waves are the faster of the two types of waves.... S waves or
shear waves travel between 50 an 70% of that speed...alot of that has to do with the type of
geologic structures that are in the ground.....and can vary significantly within a very short
distance especially within the presence of water. As a general rule of thumb you can pretty
much equate the difference in traveling speeds to roughly 4 - 6 miles per second by looking
atthe seismograph record it looks like between 3 and 4 seconds had elapsed which is very
consistent with a travel distance of about 20 miles.....
E-BOMB
In the blink of an eye, electromagnetic bombs could throw civilization back 200 years. And terrorists
can build them for $400.
Date: 9/20/01 10:28:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time
I haven't seen anyone broach the subject of Scalar Weapons involvement in the WTC Collapse. It
would make sense that such involvement was possible except that it would also mean the
involvement of entities who have this technology. This would lead to suspicion of World Powers
beyond the likes of Lee Harvey Bin Laden or John Wilkes Hussein. According to the preeminent
expert on such matters, and you know who I mean, the Yakuza and the Aum have, at some point,
rented the Russian Woodpecker for $900 million in gold bullion.
In deference to the good Dr.and ret. Lt. Col., for whom I have the utmost respect, I am not going to
provide any links at this point because many of your dedicated readers are already aware of the good
works of the aforementioned good Dr.
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However, I asked him, via e-mail on the day of Infamy, if he thought there was any Scalar
involvement in the WTC incident and his response was noncommittal. I consider his response to
reflect an unwillingness to engage in fingerpointing for such an atrocious event. He is to be
commended for his restraint under such circumstances.
However, considering the questions that have arisen about the true nature of the destruction of the
WTC Towers, as well as the surrounding buildings, and considering the anomalous appearance of
unexplained phenomena in the video captured from mainstream news media, there are many
unanswered questions which could hypothetically be answered if Scalar Technology was possibly
used in conjunction with the airliner disasters and reported possibly planted explosives.
My personal theory is that the World Powers who have commanded Scalar technology, are now
holding us hostage and that the collapse of the WTC Towers was a disguised exhibition of their
capabilities. I hope I am wrong and have no claim to any inside information.
If I am indeed right, I would expect that bridges, buildings and tunnels may fail in the near future
without benefit of any explosives in evidence due to the use of Scalar Weapons, the true Weapons of
Mass Destruction of the 21st century. If so,Tesla was right and so was former Defense Secretary
William Cohen.
Date: 9/21/01 2:21:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time
If may just come in here for a moment,,,I am reliably informed that two points are open for thought,
regarding the tower collapse...... all cellular phones went dead near the buildings for a moment or
two.....and a number of buildings near the towers suffered great structural damaged....flooding many
of the underground systems....so much damage around the site....and given the radioblack out..one
might be tempted to suggest a bomb with intense neutron output..?
Date: 9/22/01 10:00:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
The suggestion was it was a neutron bomb. Trust me. You are far more neutron fragile than a
transistor. My last years in the business before I retired I did radiation hardness and susceptibility.
And destroyed junctions don't come back on. The duration of the pulse is always short in a device,
but the particle fluence is astronomical.
This is not Oklahoma. If you smell a rat there it is because it was a coverup. This was 2 planes full of
fuel and some VERY tall buildings. No nukes, no sci fi weapons, just gravity and fire.
Date: 9/22/01 6:36:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Are you aware of this article? It is EXTREMELY pertinent.
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/time.htm
Bearden as much as predicted WTC:
"So that is one simple but powerful weapon using a simple 'jerk' in local flow of time. It is
accomplished by creating a burst of time-polarized EM waves in that area. IMAGINE WHAT SUCH
A WEAPON WOULD DO TO THE GREATER NEW YORK CITY COMPLEX, E.G., IN A
LARGER VERSION."
The article also describes how scalar technology HAS ALREADY BEEN USED:
"Remember Captain Button, flying his A-10 Warthog toward the range, suddenly peeled away from
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his companions and flew off cross country for over an hour? He ignored all radio messages, circled
at one point (probably dropped his ordnance there), then flew until he crashed into the side of a
mountain and was killed.
"That was a deliberate test in the mid-U.S. to demonstrate that a human could be controlled for one
hour, while doing a technical set of tasks (flying an airplane), in a hypnogogic state, successfully.
The test was a total success. "
It also confirms the probability of holographic images of Maietreya to come -- Blue Beam
"So if you make time-polarized EM waves and develop the technology, all mind-functions are thus
available for targeting and change, in the T-dimension where they reside and occur and function.
You can insert images, thoughts, emotions, whatever. Anything the mind does, can be externally
inserted or changed.
You are leading the way, Kent. I, for one, thank you very very much. I hope you can keep up the
great work, but I fear you may be in danger. The powers that be surely do not want us to know!
Patrons: Hardest around the clock task yet.
Tip-hat is out to encourage the ol' coot!
CHAOSMAN VIDEO DEBATE
9/14/01 12:35:12 AM Pacific
Daylight Time
Updated Images GIF ANIMATION & NOTES
Chaosman
I've been following your notes
throughout the week and feel I
have something substantial too
add. While going over some of
the footage I had taped on a Tivo
recorder, a clip caught my
attention that hasn't been noticed
by anyone. A shot from the top of
a building looking south shows
both towers burning and still
standing. Then in the lower left
of the screen, at ground level
quite a distance from the base of
the towers a completely separate
building collapses in a huge dust
cloud. I repeat, this is before the
collapse of the towers. more
9/16/01 10:20:50 PM Pacific
Daylight Time
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SLEUTHS : additional analysis most eagerly sought
I have used an s-video connection
from my recorder directly to my
camera and have them saved on
memory stick.
CHAOSMAN VIDEO
Date: 9/17/01 8:29:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Kent,
On Saturday I was able to view the same feed as the CNN photo at:
http://nbc5i.feedroom.com/index.jsp
This link is to the Dallas NBC affiliate -- which on Saturday WAS RECOMMENDED for viewing
by MSNBC.
I should have copied it then, but didn't. Naive, huh? Several times yesterday and again this morning,
I have tried to access the site but cannot get the video to load. So, yes, the exploding smaller building
DID explode. Anybody know what building it was? Maybe someone else will have better luck
getting it load. Maybe Sleuth in Dallas taped it? Just a thought...
TO THE CONTRARY
Date: 9/17/01 9:58:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time
To me, it looks as though one tower had already begun collapsing and was nearly down. The plume
on the left is nothing more than dust channeled against another building that forced it up along it's
outer wall. Without verification from eyewitnesses at the site, this photo means absolutely nothing
except sensationalism.
The fires in the towers were not low enough to produce smoke at the level seen at the right of the
tower that is clearly visible well below the roofs of surrounding buildings. You cannot see the second
tower because of the smoke and the smoke would NOT be that low if it was still standing. Logic
dictates that the tower is not there. Furthermore, The latest satellite photos clearly show that the
building in question is still standing.
The theory that a separate building collapsed before either of the towers is completely bunk.
Date: 9/17/01 10:54:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time
The images that you have of what looks like an explosion at the WTC just might be in line with this
object caught on tape...????
http://www.drudgereport.com/wt5.jpg
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash91.htm
INTERNET EXCHANGE 11:00 AM PST 9/17/01
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BARDSQUILL: well this dude rather angrily suggests that the first tower was already in partial
collapse and the smoke was washing up like a wave, hmmmmmmmm, only thing is I see both tower
tops still present. Whole damn thing is complicated by the angle.
CORESEARCHER7: i did notice that there appears to be some dust rising behind the towers and
had initially thought that the one tower was on the way down...but the other explosion is quite
removed...seems to me that the smoke/dust clouds are not directly related...
BARDSQUILL: Closest photo I could find to verify the overlap
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/wtcview.jpg but more to starboard view. The two towers seem to
in fact overlap but question is, is the back tower already half down?
CORESEARCHER7: in the Chaosman video, i would have to say no...
BARDSQUILL: Well, best thing I can do at this point is post all debates
CORESEARCHER7: as always... get it out there...
Date: 9/17/01 12:01:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Mr Steadman,
I read with great interest the notes on the apparent extra building collapse before the WTC collapse. I
don't know if it will help, but here is a picture taken from the Kronos satellite. I know nothing about
Manhattan, but it looks like there are several buildings that are no longer there. If you can, let me
know if this helps.
Date: 9/18/01 9:34:06 AM Pacific Daylight
Time
Kent, I apologize for my technical limitations,
but I do not know how to put labels on this
jpeg.
I can fax explanation or maybe you can give
me some hints on what software to use. I can
detail all the building around the complex.
Anyhow maybe I can walk you through this.
Bottom of picture is North, top of picture is
South, the park on top of picture is Battery
Park. The bottom right side of the picture you
can see the Financial Center Marina, that is
on the Hudson River, i.e. west.
The Towers were not side by side but set-up
diagonally, with the North Tower offset to the
northwest and the South Tower to the
southeast, with a huge concourse between
them. I believe the buildings being offset and
diagonal from each other created the
confusion in the video clip for many people
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outside of NYC-metro area.
The North Tower was closest to West St (or
the Westside Hwy), which run right through
the middle of the picture.
SEE: LAYOUT MAP
EDITOR'S BASIC UNEASY QUESTION:
What happened here? LARGER IMAGE
LARGER IMAGE
BEFORE DISASTER
ANOTHER MAP
Date: 9/19/01 8:35:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time
In your graphic you have misplaced the WTC towers. I have added them and the other
WTC buildings on the attached revised graphic. 1 and 2 are the north and south towers
respectively.
It looks like the "mushroom cloud" might be coming from 6WTC or 7WTC.
Also attached is a Fox News graphic I used as reference.
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EDITOR'S LATEST MOST COOL LINE DRAWING BASED ON AERIAL VIEW
The south tower collapsed first didn't it? That means either a piece the south tower or some kinda
serpenty debris-snake would have had to wander around the north tower making a sharp turn to the
right and then hit that big old black bldg and puff straight up. Aerial view crater show big ol blast, in
fact two of them eventually, two craters!
EDITOR: ANOTHER VIEW AS SOUTH TOWER BEGINS TO COLLAPSE. Hmmm, looks
very near in timing to above. Again, are we seeing a compression effect, or has the blast at
building 7 started to bring the South Tower down? Very, VERY, close call.
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LOOK AT CNN CAPTION
Date: 9/22/01 4:48:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time
I found this .jpg titled "New Explosion in WTC" from
CNN shows extremely dense smoke cloud - arguably
it could be claimed its from WTC 2 collapsing - so
why did CNN label it explosion" unless the building
was blown up from lower down causing it to collapse?
. . .still searching for additional data to verify
http://www.watership.org/media/images/K31.JPG
Date: 9/19/01 7:03:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time
I was looking at the footage you have and I think this analysis is on the wrong footage. This looks
more like footage of the collpase than the footage of the second plane hitting. The smoke in the
footage goes downward, which is what happened in the collapse. When the second plane hit the
smoke went upward immediately and never downward toward the base. When the first collpase
happened all that dust went every where. I just think it is a analysis of the wrong footage.
Different view with positions, elevation amd direction of cam
The damaged New York Telephone building (lower left) stands across from the remnants of Six
World Trade Center (right)
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A close view of Building 6
Watch aerial views of the World Trade Center site, taken from a U.S. Coast Guard helicopter
(September 16)
From: [email protected] (Light Source)
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Kent, there are five very CLEAR .jpgs on this web page -- each one giving a closer image of the
BLAST damage. I have no questions now as to the causes of this horrific war that has been declared
and by whom. Scroll down through each successive photo -- the evidence is clear. I am writing my
report and will send to you. As one SLEUTH wrote you, s/he was afraid we were missing something
that had happened right under our noses. A truer statement could not have been written. Now we get
the picture: It's utterly and despicably evil. . . http://infowarrior.org/terror/wtczoom.html [Link timed
out, try this]
Date: 9/17/01 2:03:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Your video clip is of the South Tower falling and their is only one Tower standing in your video clip.
Again, having my unique vantage point, this conspiracy theory is all wrong. The camera angle is
from the Northeast looking south at an angle to the WTC. You are viewing the WTC at an angle, the
white you think is the gap between the buildings is actually the Northeast corner, of the North
Tower. The camera angle and the North Tower obscure the view, with the North Tower physically
barricading the debris as the South Tower falls in the video. I looked at and walked through the WTC
nearly every day for last 15 years, and the gap (and the concourse) between the two Towers was
nearly a city block, which is much larger than your imaginary gap in the video.
The sequence of events:
-North Tower is hit by jet from the north, literally coming down Broadway, high up the Tower on the
85th floor (the remaining building in your video).
-South Tower gets hit from the southeast hitting the building in its lower half.
-South Tower falls first (what you see in your clip) because the angle and height of collision cause
more structural damage.
-North Tower falls second.
As an eyewitness, the images are burned into my mind, and is something that will be with me for the
rest of my days.
HORRER of the New World Order
Aircraft carriers have jet fuel fires on them all the time. The ships do not sink. In 1968 the
Kitty Hawk had every plane on it-loaded with missiles and bombs - explode and burn. The
holes in the flight deck were from the bombs.
The fire itself did not melt the steel. The ship looked like Swiss cheese from the bombs but the
fires never melted the steel and it stayed afloat.
INTERVIEW We're sorry, access to http://www7.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.74.html
has been blocked by the site owner via robots.txt.
Date: 9/17/01 11:07:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Kent, I was so focused on figuring out where the smoke plume originated prior to the
collapse of either WTC tower, that I failed to see the entire picture as a good forensics
investigator should! When I examined the detail map once again to orient the buildings'
locations I saw color this time -- every single WTC building had collapsed! Yes, every single
one! And they were the ONLY ones to collapse. Even more strangely, the buildings adjacent
to Bldg 7 (the N.Y. Telephone bldg and Federal Bldg) DID NOT! No one has bothered
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explaining that one. It can't be because of the explanations we're having drummed into us
by media as these buildings were not rammed by a 757 full of aviation fuel Why did Bldg 7
go down "first" AFTER(?) the two towers when it was furthest away from the towers? I
don't want some jackass to tell me my perspective is wrong because I have the actual detail
map from the architects' web site of the site plan drawing.
I cannot find any times or dates for the collapse of Bldgs 4 or 6. The owner of the Marriott
Hotel (Bldg 3) vehemently denied his building was in any danger of collapse when he was
interviewed. But, in one evil puff from the dragon -- Poof! -- it too, fell.
Attempting to pinpoint the reports of the various buildings collapsing, I noted a tremendous
dearth of detail and considerable confusion in the reporting of what little there is. For
example, we have Bldg 5 collapsing on two entirely different days. One site reports Bldg 5
collapsed on 9/12 at 5:27 PM. But read this: Snipped item is excerpted from the Tom Clancy
interview (shown on the ORBIT frame on your web site) dated 9-11-01 time: 16:58
Date: 9/17/01 4:55:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Kent, This is CNN web site containing the transcript of interview w/ T Clancy. I snipped
relevant portion (you need to scroll down past interview with Ariel Sharon. Note time of
transcript: 16:58). The frame shown on ORBIT clearly indicates that the frame was from an
earlier broadcast but replayed during interview with Clancy. I am not a structural engineer,
but am familiar with building construction and how the various stresses are accounted for,
methods used to provide structural stability, etc. That's why I am having a very difficult
time believing these structures started collapsing like a house of cards. They were not
constructed like that. I will go through the previous transcripts to see if I can find any
further mention of the WTC building collapses. If you review the map of the WTC layout,
the smoke in the ORBIT CNN frame shows its possibly bldg 5 or 7. This transcript clearly
shows the confusion about what was falling and when. The only two buildings we can be sure
of the time are Towers 1 & 2 because theywere so visible. A very strong case of
circumstantial evidence is building in my mind that bldg 5 "collapsed" prior to either tower
based on the CNN frame. It would be helpful if other ORBIT sleuths would read transcripts
from FOX, ABC, etc. to glean anyadditional data. I find it very perculiar there is so little
detail in all the "timelines" aboutthe collapse of structures aside from the two towers
<snip>
WOODRUFF: I'm going to interrupt you, Tom Clancy. I am told Aaron Brown in New
York has a development -- Aaron.
BROWN: Well, Judy, another -- just in the last few seconds, another building -- we will
speculate carefully here that it was building No. 7 -- one of the buildings in support of the
World Trade Center towers has collapsed. Those of you who have been with us for a while,
you can see, indeed, that the smoke color has changed, gotten much lighter. So we believe
that yet another building -- this would be the third building -- has collapsed. Likely building
No. 7. Although we also heard that there were problems at building No. 5. And it's possible
that one went down, too. Again, another building in the World Trade Center complex
appears now to have caved in after these attacks -- Judy.
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I am trying to pinpoint the exact times/dates each building collapsed with corroborating
evidence.
Yes, indeed, mighty strange stuff -- you're absolutely correct -- we've stepped through some
kind of time warp because this can't be real. Buildings don't act like this unless they've been
blown up. Grisly to note, but also notice the report that so few bodies are being found intact.
Mostly body parts. Somebody with a tougher heart can explain that one. I can't because it
makes me cry.
Date: 9/18/01 12:48:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Dear Kent, Regarding the video off the dust mushroom cloud......I think that this footage is right at
the moment of collapse . If you concentrate on the second tower in the background you will see
smoke at and descending to its base. There was no fire that low so what I believe is , if you
remember when the top section fell to the section below the crash entry site and the powdery plume
that first emerged and fell kind of like a fire work ;those pretty ones that look like willow trees =).....I
have theory that the plan of this attack as far as the engineering is concerned was as is being reported
to create the massive heat by the plane fuel and impact on the city side of each tower to make
malleable the metals in the outer structure that are the key point to stability in that particular design. I
don't believe that this was in and off itself what made the towers fall. I believe that set off charges at
the base of each tower and were intending to jolt the building and cause the quick and uniform
vibration that would cause all four corner supports to fail and lets say snap under the immense
weight of the floors above the failure and given their highly weakened state . As the engineers have
noted it would just go down floor upon floor nice and demolition like destroying all or most of the
towers. Just a thought that that cloud might be one of those charges
Date: 9/18/01 2:26:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Dear Kent,
I've been looking at the animated GIF of the explosion again and again. And now I see clearly that
there is only one tower visible! Not one half left and one half right. The antenna is in the middle of
one tower! Look at the building in the foreground with the pyramidal top. Compare with the foto!
You look nearly exactly at the edge of the tower! You can see the holes in the upper part left and
right of ONE tower! Compare! The collapsing tower is nearly exactly behind the visible tower.
That's all.
EDITOR IN RESPONSE: I think I drew my blue line in the wrong place, prompted from
email, I misunderstood, so I removed the line which actually indicated the nearest corner of the
closest [North, I think] tower. From the angle I do believe the second tower is behind [I think
south tower]. Not sure, so busy with general reports that I have to toss these detailed
investigations out to you all. Thanks, so much for your help.Kent
Date: 9/18/01 3:12:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time
KENT I HAVE BEEN PUZZLING OVER THE COMMENTS AND THE PICTURES WITH THE
HUGE CLOUD PLUME RISING TO THE LEFT. COULD NOT UNDERSTAND THE DEBATE.
NOW I DO.
SEEMS SOME PEOPLE WHO DID NOT SEE THE VIDEO THINK THAT THE PICTURE
SHOWS ONLY ONE TOWER AND IT IS THE ONE BEHIND IT ALREADY FALLING THAT
IS KICKING UP THE CLOUD. MAKES GOOD SENSE.
HOWEVER, I SAW THE WHOLE VIDEO CLIP AND THE LEFT PART OF THE INTACT
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TOWER FELL AND YOU COULD SEE IT FALLING AFTER AND I REPEAT AFTER THE
CLOUD FROM THE BOTTOM ROSE UP AND MET THE SMOKE FROM THE TOWERS. THIS
IS WHAT RAISED MY CONCERNS AT THE TIME AS I SAID " WHAT THE HELL IS THAT".
REMEMBER KENT, THESE IMAGES ARE BURNT INTO THE BRAIN NEVER TO BE
FORGOTTEN. THIS IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC DEBATE. MULLING OVER ARCHIVE
PICTURES. THIS IS A HEARTFELT RESPONSE TO DISASTER. ALSO BARE IN MIND THAT
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SENT TO THE GALLOWS SOLELY ON EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY.
THE WHOLE LEGAL SYSTEM IS BASED UPON EVIDENCE OF PEOPLES OWN EYES.
Date: 9/18/01 1:11:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Hiya, Kent! I think I might have found a possible solution to that explosion on the ground just before
the towers collapsed. I found this pic(0114) at a site called "The Power Hour" co-owned by a Joyce
Riley. I got there thru a twisted route thru quite a few different sites yesterday. I tried to go straight
there today, but my computer seems to not work right for that site(?). I'm sure I got to it thru
RumorMill News. I can't get there today, tho. If I can make this computer mind me I'm sending the
pic as an attachment.
EDITOR: Huh? Think this is an explosive device shooting toward the ground?
Date: 9/26/01 1:24:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Greetings, All:n These are new, still and moving images of the WTC UFO, taken from a
number of different cameras and camera angles. Scroll down to the stunning moving images
near the bottom:
http://www2.justnet.ne.jp/%7Ekiti/Ufo/wtc/wtc.htm. The page is in Japanese, and I have
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appended a loose translation using AltaVista's Babelfish translator: http://altavista.com/r?F09
(Translation from Japanese to English).
While some are already claiming these images are hoaxed, I have seen absolutely no
convincing evidence, of any kind, to this effect, rather, if these images are real, someone,
somewhere, has a great deal of explaining to do. I rather strongly doubt anyone, anywhere,
could be motivated to hoax these images.
I suggest we all start asking some very serious questions about them, starting with some of
those good folks down at the Pentagon. Once again, our mainstream news media have failed us
all miserably, and this time, during a deepening, planetary crisis.
Date: 9/29/01 10:55:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Kent, Just got back from NYC evaluating damage to the offices in WTC building #7. The
previously unidentified object seen by many of your readers is actually one of the engines from
the plane at the second impact, not a missle.
The red line showing that path of the object in the picture on the site is just incorrect.
I realize that I am an unknown to your group, and therefore not necessarily a trusted source.
Just do some checking and you will find that the object (engine) is still reasonably intact
underneath CSFB's offices in building seven at the bottom of the hole it created upon entry.
The access to the site was extremely limited, so I can only comment on building 7. The entire
substructure collapsed, which is what caused the building to go. The 4 stories of floors below 5,
6 and 7 are actually 8 stories deep. That's what caused the craters.
Date: 9/30/01 7:13:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time
KENT: JUST READ THE CLAIM THAT THE MISSILE IS AN ENGINE FROM THE
SECOND PLANE. IF THIS IS SO, IT GOT THE ELEVATOR TO THE FLOOR, TAXIED
ACROSS TO THE FIRST BUILDING HIT, UP THE ELEVATOR AND LAUNCHED
ITSELF FROM THE BUILDING JUST SECONDS AFTER THE SECOND PLANE HIT.
THE JAPANESE TAPE SHOWS WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE A BIRD FLYING CLOSE TO
THE CAMERA ACROSS THE LINE OF SIGHT. HOWEVER THIS DISTRACTS YOU
FROM THE TOWER. AS THE BIRD PASSES IT GREAT BLACK CLOUDS EJECT FROM
BOTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING JUST ABOVE THE SKYLINE. A MAJOR EXPLOSION
OCCURRED THERE.
Date: 9/30/01 3:17:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Dear Kent, here are some photos 2 as published in a german newspaper. Closely pay attention
to the series of the collapse of the building...Both buildings collapsed inward. Following your
line of thought, and much speaks for it, T2 should NOT! have imploded and pancaked - no
way! But it did...How? Interestingly enough, the day after, only three piles of rubble are
burning T1,2 & 7.
This one should amuse you....Also from a local german paper
http://community-2.webtv.net/Merkaba_/doc1/ [Timed out try here]
THE SPLIT-SECOND ERROR [timed out, try here]...EXPOSING THE WTC BOMB PLOT...
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Date: 9/18/01 10:52:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time
The picture you have up on your site depicting a supposed early blast taking place before the
collapse of the first WTC tower, I think is misleading. (see attached file)
First of all, only one tower is visible, not both. We are looking at the complex from a 3/4 view, so we
see two sides of the tower closest to the camera, the first to be struck. We clearly see the two of the
holes created by that first blast on either of the facing sides (the blast created similar holes, I believe,
on all four sides). The smoke from the fires in the south tower no longer are billowing from an upper
level source, but are clearly coming from a now much lower source (right side of the visible tower)
indicating its collapse. (sorry for the typo on the graphic there...)
I might add that while watching MSNBC at the moment of the first collapse, the initial account was
that there had been an explosion 'midway up' the south tower. It was corrected soon after by reports
of its collapse creating a billowing effect of debris, as well as the top section of the tower's tilting
collapse and fall to the street below.
Hope that helps you... If there was an early blast that lead to the towers collapse, it is not depicted in
these shots... in my opinion.
Date: 9/18/01 5:37:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Kent, just observed the Fox 'mystery object video [Timed out]'. It is either real or a damn good hoax.
I looked at the video closely image by image. You can actually see the object (or its shadow) pass in
front of the right upper corner of the 'exploding' South Tower, about one second before the object
appears in front of the sky to the right!
It is impossible to see what this is, but I wouldn't dare to rule out a missile from a fighter jet.
Date: 9/18/01 12:31:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Kent,
The discussion about the image on your website (taken from the CNN feed) showing an "earlier"
explosion adjacent to the WTC is misleading and, to put it bluntly, wrong. If you examine the image,
you will see the south tower (WTC 2) has in fact just collapsed, despite the claim to the contrary.
The supposed "explosion" to the left of the WTC is nothing more than the debris cloud emerging
from one of the "canyons" (city streets) adjacent to the WTC. This CNN image is taken looking to
the south (based solely on the sun angle at approx. 9:30 am), with the north tower (WTC 1) blocking
the view of WTC 2 - or rather, where WTC 2 used to stand. To the right (west) of WTC 1 which is
still upright, you will note a dust/debris cloud extending downward, well below the location where
the planes impacted (60th floor and above). Since the smoke from the jet fuel explosions and
subsequent fire was only going upward, this "smoke" seen in the image is clearly a debris cloud from
WTC 2's collapse.
I don't personally subscribe to the theories (i.e. wild speculation) about additional primary or
secondary explosive devices in or around the WTC. Speaking as a civil engineer, the two planebombs and subsequent inferno were more than enough to do the damage everyone so horrifically
witnessed - believe me. These people are all barking up the wrong tree. If there is a conspiracy in all
of this, people should be once again digging into the TWA 800 and Egypt Air crashes. I have
ALWAYS believed these to be terrorist-related, more so now than ever. Oklahoma City is also now
again in question, to me. My proposition on all of this is that IF (big IF) the government tried to
conceal and shield the American public from the notion of "terrorism on our soil" (the only logical
explanation in my eyes for a TWA 800 cover-up), then they may have only forced the perpetrators
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into much more devious, destruction, malicious acts to get their point across. Notice how former GMan, now talking head James Kallstrom appeared out of the woodwork yet again during this latest
disaster??? That was the kicker as far as I was concerned. That simple fact ties WTC to TWA800,
like it or not - once a good soldier, always a good soldier...
Date: 9/18/01 7:10:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Really haven't taken the "explosion" at the bottom of the tower (video capture by Chaosman) too
much thought. Figured it might be some residual rising from ground level as the top of the tower
began to collapse. However, after looking at the photo in "What happened here" - well, my mind is
agog.
Something is amiss here, definitely. Need to meditate on that photo for awhile. But you are right.
What happened in that area circled in red. Unreal!!!
Date: 9/18/01 3:10:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Kent, An acquaintance of mine's son is one of the physicians who assisted the wounded on
Monday. He was caring for a dying firefighter who's last words were that he and others who
were with him, who died, saw men strapped with explosives running towards and into the
buildings.
As it happens: reports of secondary explosions by MD [timed out, would really appreciate
locating this footage again: http://nc.flyingbuttmonkeys.com/~tushar/collapse.close.up.asf] IE
best.
Date: 10/2/01 7:39:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Kent, I received this from a friend yesterday (full email attached; names deleted) about a
personal escape from Tower I. This has not published anywhere -- it is a personal account of a
friend of my friend. I've deleted names because I'm sure these people don't need any more
trouble than they've already got and I just think putting their names on a public website could
invite trouble for them. more
Date: 9/18/01 9:48:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Chaosman
Kent, Concerning your last post about the people strapped with explosives. I was watching the
footage with a keen eye while reviewing last night and something struck me as very strange. A series
of events unfold in minutes with strange consequences. First, a camera and reporter close to the
scene, live, and coughing, all before the tower collapse. The HQ regains contact and goes live to the
scene. The place is full of FBI or whoever they were and you could tell that the correspondent in the
field was damn well aware not to approach or question these officials. NYFD/NYPD running from
the scene and government officials running in. Remind you that it is total "chaos" on the scene.
EMT's, police, firemen all willing to tell you what they saw and heard while covered in dust. All
saying that first there was a big explosion and then the building collapsed. Then he suddenly finds a
"policeman" to interview, out of breath, willing to talk, speaking of what just happened and how he
was right there in the thick of things but what struck me as weird was the fact he was CLEAN.
I also have to note that during all of these interviews, early on, the video of them plays but audio is
muffled. The audio kicks in only when the people speak of the building collapse, while during the
muffled portion you can tell by the hand gestures that the are trying to speak of a blast that blew
sideways. Then a policeman covered in dust wearing his bp vest denies an interview and hustles on
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to safety. The camera follows him as he goes, then suddenly and man comes into the frame running
full blast towards the scene, the cop even takes notice, and the camera beginning to follow the
runner. My very first impression was that this doesn't look right, the image immediately made me
think of images you would see of a palestinian throwing rocks, because he was wearing some type of
headdress. He keeps running and he is out of frame for a second than appears behind the
correspondent stops, notices he on camera and gives a wave or hand gesture and continues on. End
of sequence. I'll send photos to back up these events.
Notice the clear skies above the well -defined cloud
THE SPLIT-SECOND ERROR...EXPOSING THE WTC BOMB PLOT [Timed out, try here]
Date: 9/19/01 1:13:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time
September 19, 2001 1:10pm PDT
Kent: I just sent this to PsyOp News in respose to an article they just posted today. I thought you
might be interested.
September 19, 2001 12:15pm PDT
Dear Sirs:
I just read you analysis of the WTC attack. I am open to the idea that internal charges were
prepositioned in the towers, I am convinced that such was the case in the Murrah Federal Building in
Oklahoma. However, I think you argument is weak on a couple of points.
First, there is a good reason why the second tower struck should be the first to collapse. The second
tower was struck at a lower level, thus, the damaged structure was supporting perhaps twice the load
as the first which was struck higher. Therefore, the second tower hit would have to be weakened less
than the first in order to begin collapsing.
Second, more than kerosene (jet fuel) and building contents was burning. Aircraft are constructed
from aluminum and magnesium, both metals burn readily and at extremely high temperature.
Further, the burning metals are nearly impossible to extinguish. Putting water on them only makes
the fire burn hotter. There were thousands of pounds of these metals thrust into the buildings,
burning and being sprayed with water. This would hasten the weakening of the building structure.
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If charges had been placed, I think the most logical place would be the internal building supports for
three reasons:
1) The aircraft strike would most likely do most of its damage to the external supports. Taking out
the internal supports also would increase the likelihood of collapse.
2) The explosion of the hypothetical charges would not be seen by outside observers.
3) The placement of any internal charges would not need to coincide exactly with the location of the
aircraft hit, they would just need to be reasonably close because of reason #2.
Again, I do not doubt the possibility that internal charges were placed and set off. However, harder
evidence will be necessary to prove it.
There is another question which has come up which few are discussing. Apparently, a building
collapsed or exploded BEFORE the collapse of either tower. Look at this animation, note the plume
of smoke rising to the left of the STILL STANDING TOWERS, only seconds after the second hit:
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/towerblast.html
Here is a view above the carnage showing the camera angle and the building in question. Note that of
all the collapsed buildings, it is the farthest from the towers:
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/ole0xx.jpg
Finally, the object which most likely brought the building down, note that it is not debris from the
airliner strike an it has a straight line trajectory which is consistant in direction to the building in
question. The object's speed could be calculated since each frame represents 1/30 second:
http://drudgereport.com/flash91.htm [timed out]
I am about 90% convinced that a US warplane shot an air to air missile at flight 175. The missile did
not reach its target in time, overshot and hit the building in question. IF this is so, why doesn't the
government come clean and admit it? Yes, it is a terrible thing but understandable considering the
circumstances. Had the missile found its mark in time, there would still have been death and
destruction but less, and the one tower would still be standing. I see no reason why the American
people could not forgive this action if the government would just tell the truth. Or is even that
beyond their ability anymore? This is an important issue and needs to be investigated and brought to
the fore.
Great site, I just found it recently. Keep up the great work.
Date: 9/19/01 4:06:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Kent, just thought I'd let you know that I have a close relative who produces a local news show on a
station affiliated with a national news network. He was working when the first raw footage came in
on the wires after the first plane hit. He said that in the very first reports he saw (before anything was
censored, edited and put on national television) there was at least one report of a bomb or bombs in
the lower part of the building. After that, nothing about it, and he couldn't understand why. I tried to
explain it to him......
Date: 9/19/01 6:23:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Kent,
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Look at the picture of the strike of the second building-----http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34238,00.html#video [We're sorry, access to
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34238,00.html has been blocked by the site owner via
robots.txt.]
Video
The Attack then the third one down"9/11/01 East Angle - Second plane hits tower"
Play that one and observe the video of what you have on you site in stills. Kent, I believe that they
have cropped the impact of whatever that was. You can see something on the right side of the picture
for a split. Then that is all.
Now rotate the tower in the picture of "Exploding 3rd tower while both of the WTC towers stand. It
looks like the result of the first film showing the dark object. I have played it a lot. It looks like a
particle beam--it is fast!! The beam passes in front of the upper left smoke, and becomes visible from
BEHIND the first hit tower.
Date: 9/17/01 11:41:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time
This was not a bogie, but one of many traffic helicopters that fly up and down the corridor
reporting the traffic patterns. After all it was morning rush. I had the personal the misfortune
of having the best view of the events from our Jersey City office.
Date: 9/19/01 2:30:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Hello I took these shots from CNN right off the tape they were running on TV. I noticed how
the plane kept changing shape, how the front of the plane looked different in the air all around
the plane are glowing balls of light; spheres on the buildings also after the plane enters the
building waiting on the other side of the building is this object hovering in the sky . It is not a
helicopter!
REAL VIDEO
Date: 9/20/01 7:55:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Two things that caught my attention in all the media coverage going on:
1) The day of the attacks, george stephanopoulis(?) was speaking with peter jennings or tom brokaw
on a radio broadcast, and made a comment where he referred to the TWA800 tragedy as the TWA
'*ombing'! He was describing the times he and the clintoons were scurried off to safe havens, like the
OKC *ombing, the WTC *ombing and the TWA *OMBING! His guard was down and he was
speaking off the cuff and said it in perfect rhythm. I thought the TWA tragedy had not been solved.
Hmmm....
2) On fox news, on the evening of 9/19, they were interviewing a survivor who, after escaping the
building, said he heard a bl*st, about 20 stories up, and then the building fell. The interviewer, I
believe it was Sheperd Smith, asked again, what the man heard, and again stated he heard a bl*st
about 20 stories before he saw the building fall. The interview continued and no discussion of the
'bl*st' was ever started.
If anyone has seen or heard these 2 events, please verify my account. Seems like there are many
things not yet disclosed, maybe to keep the sheeple from completed freaking out.
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Date: 9/22/01 12:29:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Dear Barbmaster Kent,
This from today's Seattle Times section A5 below the fold...
Crisis looms for burn victim by Jamie Talan Newsday....
The article is about a woman from the Thailand board of investments who is recovering from severe
burns to her body. She was in the lobby of WTC Tower 1 when they (her and her husband) "heard
and explosion and saw smoke from the elevator. She ran from the building, aware that her arms and
legs were covered with flames,then fell, immobilized by a leg injury."
Now my question. How could she be covered by flames and have a leg injury when the plane had
crashed into the tower 100 stories above? It took quite some time for the building to collapse and the
flames to get down to the lobby.
Sounds to me like a coordinated attack with explosives set off in the lobby level to prevent people
from exiting the building. I hope the story given by other survivors sheds more light on the tragedy.
Date: 9/24/01 5:40:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Kent, I just got unsolicited confirmation of a strike on what appears to be building 7. The
FoxNews film DOES show something "winging" into building seven--it also shows an effort to
minimize the picture on the right of the screen while maintaining the view of the second planethis appears to prevent showing the building growing from the explosion--WATCH
CAREFULLY
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34238,00.html#video [We're sorry, access to
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robots.txt.]East Angle - Second Plane Hits Tower
A friend just called me and said that he left his work and came outside after #1 and saw #2 fly
into the building, then HE SAW THE ACTUAL STRIKE OF BUILDING 7. He said he kept
waiting on the news to show the THIRD strike. He saw -------"...A DARK OBJECT strike
building #7", the THIRD strike, and saw it explode!
AGAIN, HE KEPT WAITING FOR THE NEWS TO SHOW THE THIRD STRIKE way away
FROM THE other TWO TOWERS!!!!!!!
Kent, do you think it possible, that the terrorists (whomever they might be?) commandeered
some SMART BOMBS also while the FBI and CIA were asleep? ;-)
Play the FoxNews over and over--somebody was helping in the destruction of the "TRADE
CENTER COMPLEX".
Date: 9/24/01 11:39:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time
The following text I found on a the following website http://www.truinsight.com/911%
20AMEIRCA%20IN%20DISTRESS.htm. It's a pretty long page, but worth looking into. The
text portion I copied is about three quarter scrolled down. This guy has done some impressive
research on prophecy as contained in biblical texts. His name is Stewart C. Best.
=+++++++++++++++++++++
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"Then we have, according to reports, a group of experts in construction who watched the
videos of the WTC buildings as they collapsed straight down - and they all claimed the
buildings were IMPLODED, by EXPLOSIVE CHARGES set to go off some time after the
buildings were hit by the aircraft. Now buildings never collapse in that manner under normal
circumstances.These men were professional structural engineers and architects - and,
according to the same reports, a highly placed intelligence source suggested those explosives
were placed well before the attack. An eye-witness on CNN who escaped claimed he heard a
whole series of explosions and then the second tower collapsed in on itself.
When watching the event myself, BEFORE the first tower collapsed, there was a large
explosion to the left on the TV screen and a huge cloud of gray smoke and dust arose to at least
the 50th floor of the nearest tower. I remarked to my wife "what is that? Something just blew
up!". Was this the start of the implosion, or was the Building 7 imploded FIRST, and was the
FIRST to go down? This bit of video soon vanished from CNN as was not seen again. The
smoke rose for some time before the FIRST TOWER started to implode. Something is very
wrong here.
Then we have a friend who called us who studies financial records intently and discovered that
the holders of the paper behind the WTC had just suffered a 28 billion dollar loss in
investments - and that they were large investors of many insurance companies. If the word got
out, it might have brought the whole system down. He said his brother, I believe, worked as a
NYC fireman, and he said they knew it was an "inside job". They knew the buildings had been
"imploded" by expertly placed explosive charges to bring the building down. The man who
engineered that building, said on CNN that he had designed it to take a direct hit from a
Boeing 707 jetliner and would not knock it over. How interesting all of this becomes. And the
proofs keep rolling in. And the American people keep buying the lie.
Now how could you get explosives into the WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDINGS, which
were under high security because of the 1993 attack without INSIDE HELP? And why is the
media not reporting this? Then we have the two firemen interviewd by CNN that claimed they
had gone into the bottom underground portion and brought out survivors? CNN totally
ignored what the fireman said, and has continually maintained there have been no survivors
found in the wreckage - none at all. So then what happened to those people? Perhaps there
were not to be any survivors that could tell tales. One is forced to wonder. So when you begin
to CONNECT THE DOTS, you begin to see a very nasty picture of some very nasty people
doing EVIL. Indeed, "evil men wax worse and worse"."
Date: 10/2/01 9:11:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Hey Kent, you ol' coot, How the hell are ya?? You're lookin good on the web site foresure!!
Say, want ya to click on my link below - CNN Video site - scroll down to the September 11,
2001 section, and click on the video archive labeled "Watch the second plane flying directly
into the World Trade Center (Sept. 11)" - Now, you tell me what you see? I see four F117, or
four F15's wings swept back (or could be two with shadows), or ......you tell me - they way the
move around tells me they might be something else indeed.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/multimedia.day.html
Combine "BLACKSTAR" (Pilotless) and Thiokol's Corps. P.T.S. (illegally downloaded by Wen Ho
Lee, at Los Alamos), and You can control ANY AIRCRAFT THAT IS FBW. Remember that OPS
"BLACKSTAR" has broadcast dissemination capabilities to 100 Aircraft at one time! SLEUTHS?
PRIOR COMMENTS AND PRIOR IMAGE SENT BY CHAOSMAN
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EDITOR: Lower portion contrast enhanced. First Chaosman pic came "banded," most
likely snapped by external camera to the screen on pause, better digital came later.
Date: 9/14/01 12:35:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time
I've been following your notes throughout the week and feel I have something substantial too
add. While going over some of the footage I had taped on a Tivo recorder, a clip caught my
attention that hasn't been noticed by anyone. A shot from the top of a building looking south
shows both towers burning and still standing. Then in the lower left of the screen, at ground
level quite a distance from the base of the towers a completly seperate building collapses in a
huge dust cloud. I repeat, this is before the collapse of the towers.
Date: 9/14/01 12:57:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Can you send me a series of images? Kent
Date: 9/14/01 11:24:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Working on it! I feel a sense of horror every time I see it.
Date: 9/14/01 2:24:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Kent, This is the best that I can do at this time. Notice the large dust cloud in the lower left
corner. Also notice that the two towers are still standing.
Date: 9/14/01 8:04:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time
WELL DONE. THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT POST TO ENABLE HUMANITY TO GET TO
THE TRUTH. THIS IS THE VERY SCENE I SAW WITH MY OWN EYES, THE CLOUD TO
THE LEFT ROSE UP TO THE CLOUD FROM THE SECOND TOWER TO BE HIT, THEN
THE SECOND TOWER FELL. ONE THING YOUR LOCAL KNOWLEDGE GUYS CAN DO
IS IDENTIFY WHICH BUILDING WAS THE SOURCE OF THE BOTTOM CLOUD. IT IS
BECAUSE I SO CLEARLY SAW THIS THAT I WROTE TO YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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.CORESEARCHER: Kent...we need to get verification of that clip...get it sleuthed...someone
else has to have that on tape...we need to get the video...soon
Date: 9/14/01 7:21:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time
http://people.aol.com/people/special/0,11859,174592-3,00.html
In the above link is an eyewitness report from a firefighter. While going to the 24th floor to
rescue workers, he indicates on their last trip up a _omb went off and they believe _ombs
were set in the building. Listening to the "mass media", I heard this theory discounted as the
"experts" attribute the swift collapse to structural integrity being comprised by the intense
heat. Not sure what to believe...
Date: 9/14/01 8:14:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time
http://people.aol.com/people/special/0,11859,174592-5,00.html
In Ben Fountain's account, he advises the buildings were evacuated a number of times over
the past few weeks and feels they knew something was going on. Again, I don't know this
gentleman personally, but to me it leads further credence to the postings on your site.
INTERACTIVE MAP DETAIL MAP
Date: 9/16/01 2:15:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time
KENT
THIS MORNINGS SURVIVOR ACCOUNTS WERE HEARTBREAKING AND
ASTOUNDING. ONE HAD AN ENGINE COME THROUGH HIS OFFICE WINDOW.
WAITED UNTIL THE SECOND PLANE HIT, THEN LEFT FROM THE 79 FLOOR. WHEN
HE REACHED 7 FLOOR HIS GROUP HEARD AND FELT A MASSIVE EXPLOSION RISE
UP TO THEM. THEY THEN RAN DOWN THE FINAL SEVEN FLOORS OUT THROUGH
THE LOBBY AND THEN SAW THE BUILDING COME ON TOP OF THEM TRY
OUTRUNNING A FALLING BUILDING FROM THE INSIDE. THEY HEARD AND FELT A
BLAST LONG BEFORE THE BUILDING FELL.
SECOND WAS A FIREMAN, ON HIS RETURN TO THE BUILDING HE HEARD AN
EXPLOSION, THE MALL OUTSIDE FELL AWAY AND HE WAS TRAPPED INSIDE.
WHEN RESCUED, THE BUILDING THEN FELL. AGAIN EXPLOSIONS AND THE
GROUND DISINTEGRATING.
HOW MUCH EVIDENCE DOES IT TAKE. FROM THESE TESTIMONIES A VERY CLEAR
TIME AND EVENT LINE CAN BE BUILT UP. IF AN ENGINE COMES THROUGH THE
WINDOW, THE FLOOR ABOVE TOOK THE BODY OF THE PLANE, ITS FUSELAGE AND
FUEL. YET ON THAT FLOOR THEY WERE ABLE TO STAY UNTIL THE NEXT PLANE
HIT. ERGO NO BUILDING FAILURE. RIGHT AT A POINT OF IMPACT.
WE NEED THE TRUTH, WE KNOW PLANES WERE HIJACKED BUT THEY WERE NOT
THE ONLY INVOLVEMENT. ALL LEADS MUST BE FOLLOWED UP.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK KENT.
Date: 9/16/01 10:12:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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KENT
THE DEBKA FILE AND THE PICTURES OF THE TOWERS FALL, RESULTING IN A
MUSHROOM CLOUD. WAS A SECRET WEAPON, A TYPE OF SMALL NON RADIOACTIVE NUCLEAR DEVICE USED TO BRING DOWN THE TOWERS, PLANES BEING A
"DIVERSION". WE MUST FIND THE TRUTH. HAVE YOUR SLEUTHS IDENTIFIED THE
SOURCE OF THE LEFT HAND BOTTOM CLOUD.
SURVIVORS DESCRIBE HOW THE MARRIOTT HOTEL FELL DOWN. WAS THIS THE
SOURCE OF THE BOMB.
AGAIN WE ARE NOT SEEKING TO EXPOSE STATE SECRETS, DISABLE THE
INVESTIGATION, ONLY HIGHLIGHT THE TRUTH AND SEEK CONFIRMATION THAT
ALL LEADS ARE BEING FOLLOWED UP ON TO BRING THE PERPETRATORS TO
JUSTICE.
Date: 9/16/01 9:24:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Hi Kent,
I also saw the video clip of the huge dust cloud to the left of the twin towers prior to the towers
coming down. I thought I was going crazy because I had not seen the clip again and had even
mentioned it to someone else.
I am going to write a P3N commentary concerning the screen capture you have top/center on you
site. Would you permit me to use a small copy of the picture with a link back to you site for a look
at the big capture. This picture DEMANDS an explanation!
I knew from the first minute of the WTC event that some people were going to make ridiculous
assertions about conspiracies and I was going to distance myself from them. In light of the
unexplained explosion video I have no choice but to join the conspiracy crowd.
A NOTE TO THE CONTRARY
9/16/01 3:32:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time
I was sick and stayed at home all day Tuesday, therefore watched everything in utter horror from minutes
after the first tower was struck until late in the evening. I watched in REAL TIME people jump from the
upper floors to their certain death and both towers crumble into rubble on top of rescuers. I spent a good
part of that day weeping, and praying for the dead, survivors and families. I saw it all... And I still see it all.
The memories are etched into my mind and continue to overcome me at moments. I find myself unable to
control the weeping that still comes... I am not interested in sensationalizing something that cannot be
sensationalized any more than the reality that visits me each time I close my eyes. The video shown on
your site is clearly dust rising from the rubble of the first building as it collapses, while the second that was
struck is still standing and burning, not yet collapsed. You can see the top of the first building to the left as it
goes down... But that is bnot what bothers me now.
I have read and heard utter nonsense, including E-mail on this web page ... From my boss, who professes
to be a Christian, stand before me and pour out a diatribe about the President and U. S. Congress being
the real terrorists to certain TV commentators insist that the President should have flown directly back to
Washington D.C. (obviously they never heard of stinger missiles) and professional athletes lament not
being able to play a professional football game Sunday as though it's business as usual. I have listened to
people infer that the C.I.A. and N.S.A. knew these buildings were going to be attacked on this day...
HOGWASH! I have listened to commentators try to create a controversy just to keep the ratings up... By
blaming the C.I.A. and N.S.A. for not knowing it would happen. Well... Folks, let me clue you into
something... This is not a Mystery Channel movie... This is not a fantasy You need to get your heads out of
a dark place and into the light of day. The C.I.A. and N.S.A. may be a lot of things, but do you really believe
that the people who work there are robots... Sub human or not human at all? Don't you think that the
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people who manage our nations security know that such a secret would eventually come out and in the
process, their heads would roll... Perhaps literally!
Our Nation is in trouble... We as patriots and citizens are in trouble... Not because of any huge global,
government conspiracy but because of our own complacency. We have sat back for 20 years and watched
these monsters destroy lives all over this world, many of them innocent United States citizens... Yet we did
nothing. We drink our Budweiser and eat Buffalo Wings, and watch some Hollywood hero beat the bad
guys in a make believe plot. We have been so desensitized by violence in the movies and on television that
the killing of Marines and U.S. Embassy personnel was just another installment. No one cares as long as it
didn't effect their paycheck, entertainment or party time.
Instead of looking for a scapegoat in our own back yard or trying to find some narcissistic reason to make
yourself feel superior by planting disinformation in the minds of those who don't have a life... Or a clue.
Perhaps it is time to get a life and a clue... Perhaps if we are lucky, we can yet save at least a few lives in
this world by looking reality directly in the face. The reality is that terrorists have destroyed thousands of
lives and families... Innocent people and they must not... Cannot prevail. I (for one) am not interested in a
protracted, propagandized litigation in a Federal Court House to determine their guilt or innocence. I don't
want them to have the luxury of living in a nice, air conditioned jail cell with a workout room and TV whole
their victims corpses rot under a pile of rubble. Where and when they are found, I want them dead... Where
and when their bankers are found... I want them dead... Where and when the suppliers of their bases and
weapons are found, I want them dead. I am ready to die to see that they are obliterated from this earth and
perhaps that is the saddest, most frightening thought of all to me... I fear they have made me and hundreds
of thousands like me into their image. The difference is... I will not dance in the street when they die, I will
pray for their poor, demented souls as well as my own.
Date: 9/16/01 8:12:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time
KENT
I MUST REPLY. THE CLOUD ROSE STRONG AND CLEAR BEFORE THE TOP STARTED
FALLING. YOU CANNOT HAVE RUBBLE FALLING BEFORE A COLLAPSE TAKES
PLACE. LOOK AT THE OVERHEAD VIEWS NOW COMING ON LINE.
GOD DOES NOT KILL, MAN DOES
GOD DOES NOT COMMIT EVIL, MAN DOES
WE WANT JUSTICE, WE WANT ALL THE EVIL DOERS BOUGHT TO JUSTICE
WE WANT ALL ERRORS HIGHLIGHTED
RULE ONE YOU DO NOT PROMOTE OR DEFEND FREEDOM BY DENYING THAT
FREEDOM. IF YOU DO THAT, EVIL WINS AS YOU EMPOWER IT. EVIL FLEES FROM
LIGHT AND TRUTH.
MOST OF THE ' ACTIVE SERVICE UNITS" WHO COMMITTED THIS ATROCITY ARE
DEAD. THEIR ALLIES AND BACKERS MUST BE BOUGHT TO JUSTICE.
JUST BECAUSE THIS IS EARLY DAYS WE CANNOT SHRINK FROM OUR
RESPONSIBILITY TO SEEK THE TRUTH. THE INVESTIGATORS HAVE CALLED FOR
INFORMATION, LEADS, FACTS. WELL MILLIONS OF HUMANS HAVE SEEN THIS, ALL
HAVE LEADS, ALL ARE VALID AND MUST BE FOLLOWED UP. TO RUSH TO
JUDGEMENT IS TO RUSH TO WAR.
THESE FANATICS CLAIM TO BE WARRIORS OF GOD. WHO APPOINTED THEM, GOD,
WE KNOW HE DID NOT. WE MUST ASK ALL HUMANS OF THE ISLAMIC FAITH TO
EXCOMMUNICATE THESE EVIL DOERS, THAT THEY CAN NO LONGER CALL
FALSELY UPON GOD.
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UPDATES
NEW ANALYSIS OF WTC FOOTAGE
BOGIE ON CNN FEED
OVERLAY
GLOBALHAWK
Date: 11/15/01 10:04:03 AM Pacific Standard Time
Here to the north (right of photo) [timed out, try this] is the result of the explosion in your link.
DESTROYED BUILDING IN QUESTION
The C.I.A.'s undercover New York station was in the 47-story building at 7 World Trade
Center, one of the smaller office towers destroyed in the aftermath of the collapse of the twin
towers that morning. All of the agency's employees at the site were safely evacuated soon after
the hijacked planes hit the twin towers, the officials said. The intelligence agency's employees
were able to watch from their office windows while the twin towers burned just before they
evacuated their own building. more
Well you cannot expect standard Commercial Airline Pilots to know about (CLASSIFIED). OPS
BLACKSTAR is Highly Compartmented, Secret Fire-Command & Control Platform System that flies
out of Holloman AFB NM./FT. Huachuca, AZ (BLACKBAG OPS). Combine BLACKSTAR (Pilotless) and
Thiokol's Corps. Portal Transport Systems (illegally downloaded by Wen Ho Lee, at Los Alamos), and
You can control ANY AIRCRAFT THAT IS FBW. Remember that OPS BLACKSTAR has broadcast
dissemination capabilities to 100 Aircraft at one time (AWACS, ASARS , JSTARS, TENCAP, TROJAN
SPIRIT , GUARDRAIL -CS, UAV's, SIGINT, TEAMMATE, TRACKWOLF, REMBASS, HUMINT, CI IMINT,
MASINT, TECHINT, JTF, ARF-OR, ACE, JIC, ACT) for an effective INTELLIGENCE BOS. I have
personally SEEN, OPS BLACKSTAR in operation.
THE ENEMY IS INSIDE THE GATES
The extremely skillful maneuvering of the three aircraft at near mach speeds, each unerringly
hitting their targets, was superb. As one Air Force officer -- a veteran of over 100 sorties over
North Vietnam -- explained, "Those birds (commercial airliners) either had a crack fighter
pilot in the left seat, or they were being maneuvered by remote control."
Disintegration and other wild physics experiments INFRASOUND
The World Trade Center Demolition and the So-Called War on Terrorism
ACTIVE FBI SPECIAL AGENT FILES COMPLAINT CONCERNING OBSTRUCTED FBI
ANTI-TERRORIST INVESTIGATIONS FBI Whistleblower Says Bureau Bungled Terror
Probes
Date: 11/14/01 10:57:11 PM Pacific Standard Time
G'evenin', Kent. I just thought you might would like to know. Tonight, on 60 minutes 2, there
was a segment where the reporter went aboard one of those AWACS flying around overhead.
He asked all the usual BS questions and got all the standard answers. I admit, I was so lulled
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by it all, I almost missed the big (I think,REALLY BIG) statement the reporter made very near
the end of the segment..."The code name form their mission is "Darkstar"... See the
connection? The black star program and an AWAC mission code named Dark star?
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