Public Hearing - City of Waukesha Diversion Application

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Great Lakes-St. Lawrence River
Basin Water Resources Council
Transcript of Proceedings Taken on:
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REGIONAL BODY AND COMPACT COUNCIL
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PUBLIC HEARING
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FEBRUARY 18, 2016
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T R A N S C R I P T
MR. TORNES:
Good afternoon.
My name is
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Rodney Tornes, and I'm serving as the chair of the
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Regional Body and Compact Council on behalf of the
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Ohio Department of Natural Resource Director, James
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Berringer, who is the designee of Governor Casey,
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Regional Body and Compact Council meetings.
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We are here as representatives of the Great
Lakes-Saint Lawrence Water Resource Regional Body,
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otherwise known as the Regional Body, and the Great
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Lakes-Saint Lawrence River Basin Water Resource
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Council, otherwise known as the Compact Council, as
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part of the review of the City of Waukesha's
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application for a diversion of Great Lakes water.
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The Regional Body and Compact Council have
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set this time and place, 2:00 p.m., February 18th,
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2016, at the Carroll University Shaddock Music Center
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in Waukesha, Wisconsin for a public informational
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meeting on the proposed diversion.
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being held pursuant to Section 201 of the Compact
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Council Interim Guidance as adopted on June 10, 2010,
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and Section 201 of the Regional Body Interim
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Procedures as adopted on June 10, 2010.
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This meeting is
Today's public information meeting is
jointly hosted by the Regional Body and the Compact
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Council.
The purpose of this public information
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meeting is to provide you, the public, with
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information on the process being used to review the
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Waukesha Diversion Application as well as details
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about the application.
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of this session and will be incorporated into the
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record of the City.
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that any individual speaking please identify
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A transcript will be created
Because of this, I would ask
themselves for the record.
We are not taking comments at this time,
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but we will take them during the public hearing
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following this public information meeting.
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meeting will conclude promptly at 3 o'clock p.m.
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will be considering questions, so we ask that you
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fill out a question form and turn it in to one of the
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staff along the edges.
This
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In addition, if you plan on providing
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comments during the public hearing that will be
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following this public information meeting, we ask
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that you please fill out one of the forms available
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on the table outside this room, registering your
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interest in speaking.
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We would like to begin with the
presentation by the secretary of staff on the process
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being used to review the application, followed by a
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presentation by City of Waukesha staff, and then the
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Wisconsin DNR on the substance of the application.
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With that, I would like Peter Johnson to start off.
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MR. JOHNSON:
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My name is Peter Johnson.
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I'm the deputy
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director of the Conference of Great Lakes and St.
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Lawrence Governors and Premiers.
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secretary to both the Regional Body and the Compact
We serve as the
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Council.
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that is being used for the regional review process
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with the Waukesha Diversion Application as well as
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the relevant criteria in the Compact and the
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agreement that are being used when reviewing the
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application.
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I'm going to be talking about the process
First of all, I would like to start off by
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pointing out the website where all the information
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regarding the Waukesha Diversion Application can be
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found which is up on the screen, this includes the
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actual application materials, calendar of events, the
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means to provide comments after the -- before this
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meeting and after this meeting, and any other
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information on the Waukesha Diversion Application.
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It is a website jointly hosted by the Regional Body
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and the Compact Council.
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One thing that I would add to
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what's up on the screen, on January 7 we received the
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application at the Regional Body of the Compact
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Council from the Wisconsin Department of Natural
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Resources.
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public comment period began on January 12th, 2016.
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It was forwarded on January 7, 2016.
The
Already, we had a tour yesterday of several
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sites in Waukesha and southeast Wisconsin related to
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the Waukesha Diversion Application.
It was open to
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the public.
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public, but the public was invited to follow the bus
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and we actually turned that into a bit of a convey
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following behind us as we were going to various
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locations.
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Transportation was not provided to the
In the afternoon, yesterday, over at the
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campus center across the street, there was a briefing
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on the application to the Regional Body and Compact
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Council members by the Wisconsin Department of
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Natural Resources and representatives from the City
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of Waukesha.
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Body and Compact Council members to ask questions.
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That was also opened to the public but that was just
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open to Compact Council members asking questions.
It was an opportunity for the Regional
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We are now at the item that's at the top of
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the list here, which is a public information meeting.
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This is an opportunity to provide you, I think it was
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noted by our chair, information on the process that's
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being used and then we are going to be hearing a
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little bit about the details of the application.
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At three o'clock we are going to be going
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into the public hearing and this is the opportunity
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to continue to hear from you.
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from a number of you through the public comments
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written process, again, I encourage people to provide
We have already heard
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written comments, but this an opportunity to provide
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verbal comments.
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The public comment period ends on March 14,
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we are accepting written comments up and through that
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date, but will not accept comments thereafter.
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March 22, 2016 is the deadline for
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submission of any additional technical reviews by the
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Regional Body and Compact Council members.
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optional any kind of technical reviews that each of
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the jurisdictions may do.
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comments received will be available on the
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WaukeshaDiversion.org website.
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website I showed you before.
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that we received from everybody will be posted to the
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website.
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These are
On March 22, 2016 all
That's the same
So all the comments
On April 7, 2016 -- I should note on
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January 7 as part of the application process, the
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originating party, which is in this case the State of
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Wisconsin, posted as part of their application, a
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proposed declaration of finding that is -- and I'll
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go into a little bit more detail on that in just a
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moment.
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aren't any revisions, it would be a final draft
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(indiscernible) the proposed declaration of finding
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to the website.
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But they posted this on January 7, if there
Following that on April 21, 2016 the
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Regional Body will be holding a face-to-face meeting
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to consider the originating parties' proposed
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declaration of finding, which is open to the public.
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Just for those who are interested or are --
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would like a little bit more understanding of this,
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just to clarify, the Regional Body consists of the
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governors of the Great Lakes states and the Premiers
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of Ontario and Quebec.
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The Compact Council consists of the
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governors of the Great Lakes states.
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process works is -- and they were created by two
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different agreements, one being a cross-board good
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faith agreement.
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compact.
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The way the
And the other being an interstate
The Regional Body, which is the creation of
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the governor and premiers created by the cross-border
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agreement, is required to issue a declaration of
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finding or findings, basically to say if they find
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the application to be consistent with the criteria,
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inconsistent with the criteria, or would be
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consistent with modifications.
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And the beginning of the consideration of
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issuing that declaration of finding will begin on
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April 21.
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The intention, the hope is that consensus
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is reached on the declaration of finding.
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not, there are opportunities to try to reach
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consensus within a certain period of time, but
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regardless, and that is for 25 days.
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Council meeting and Compact Council has to take into
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consideration the declaration of findings.
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would be sometime thirty days after a declaration of
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findings is issued, which could conceivably be April
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If it is
So a Compact
So it
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As noted at the top, the public comment
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period began on January 12, and ends on March 14.
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Comments were not accepted before January 12.
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submitted comments before then, please resubmit them
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so we can reconsider them.
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they come in before March 14.
If you
Again, make sure that
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These are the ways that the comments can be
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submitted:
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diversion.org; through the website which is listed up
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there; or you can mail them to us at the address
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here.
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Waukesha.diversion.org.
Through email at comments@Waukesha
Again, this is all on the website of
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I'd now like to talk about the criteria and
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what is being focused on when a decision is being
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made, both through the declaration of finding process
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and the Compact Council decision-making process for a
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community within a straddling county.
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encourage you when you do make your comments to focus
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on whether you believe that the application as
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proposed meets the criteria in the Compact Council
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agreement.
And I would
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A proposal to transfer water to a community
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within a straddling county will be considered, but in
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the interest of time I'll have some other folks come
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up here.
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slowly through the slides rather than read them all
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just to very quickly summarize them, but the text is
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the important thing.
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But you can see we're just going to go
Water mains can be used for public water
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supply purposes.
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exception standard, which I will have the criteria up
The proposal needs to meet the
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here shortly with maximizing the portion of water
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returned to the source watershed and minimizing the
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surface water and ground water from outside the
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basin.
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Management regulation by the originating
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No reasonable water supply alternative.
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Should -- the exception to the general
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prohibition of diversions which is what is being
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sought here.
Should not be authorized unless it is
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shown that it does not endanger the integrity of the
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basic ecosystem.
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The proposal undergoes regional review,
which is what we're doing right now.
And then the proposal is approved by the
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Compact Council.
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one or more council members votes to disapprove.
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Council approval is given unless
So, again, the process if you recall, the
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Regional Body will be issuing a declaration of
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finding or findings on or after April 21st.
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Compact Council will consider it, that, and all the
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other comments and all the other information received
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during this regional review process.
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make -- take a vote on whether to approve the
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proposal or not.
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The
And then
Proposal must satisfy all the conditions
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listed above.
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given to whether or not the proposal can provide
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sufficient scientifically-based evidence that there
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is a hydrological interconnection with the waters of
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the Great Lakes Basin.
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Subsequent consideration will also be
As I noted before, it also needs to meet
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the exception standard, which is as follows:
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need for all or part of the proposed exception cannot
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be reasonably avoided through efficient use and
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conservation of existing water supplies.
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use will be limited to quantities that are considered
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reasonable for the purpose for which it is proposed.
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And, again, all water withdrawn has to be returned
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less an allowance for consumptive use.
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the idea of, well, as part of the -- no outside water
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may be used to satisfy any portion of this criteria
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unless it comes through a water supply or wastewater
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treatment system that combines water from inside and
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outside the basin and addresses the issue of invasive
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species and meets water quality discharge standards
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as well.
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The water
And, again,
There must be no significant individual or
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cumulative adverse impacts to the quantity and
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quality of the waters in the basin.
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has to portray the environmentally sound and
The exception
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economically feasible water conservation measures.
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It needs to be in compliance with all municipal,
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state, and federal laws as well as international
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agreements.
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already listed.
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And then all the other criteria which we
So those are all the criteria, and what the
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focus is on when the Regional Body and Compact
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Council members are considering the application.
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So thank you, again, the website is
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www.WaukeshaDiversion.org.
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the website.
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the application, materials themselves, how to provide
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comments, and a calendar of events is on the Waukesha
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Diversion website.
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will be posted later in March, so again, go to that
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website to look for those.
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We encourage you to go to
Again, all the information, including
And as you noted before, comments
So I would like now to turn it over to
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Shaili Pfeiffer of the Wisconsin Department of
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Natural Resources to talk about some of the...
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MS. PFEIFFER:
Good afternoon.
I'm Shaili
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Pfeiffer with the Wisconsin Department of Natural
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Resources.
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I was asked to talk a little bit about the
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application and then provide an overview of the
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department's review of that application to date.
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I will get started here.
So this we're in
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the City of Waukesha right now.
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1.5 miles west of the Great Lakes surface water
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divide.
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for an exception to the ban on diversions as a
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community and a straddling county.
We're located
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The City of Waukesha is eligible to apply
You can see from this map, this just shows
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you what the pipeline route would be for the proposed
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diversion, the City is applying for
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10.1 million gallons a day of water averaged
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annually.
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supplies to this area.
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that that water be could be served to.
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supply would be Lake Michigan by the City of Oak
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Creek Water Utility and the wastewater return would
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be treated at the City of Waukesha's wastewater
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treatment plant and piped to the Root River
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discharge, a tributary to Lake Michigan.
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you can see the blue lines are the pipelines.
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see that primarily the pipeline routes for bringing
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water to the City and returning it to the Root River
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follow primarily the same corridor.
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The orange area is the delineated water
All right.
This is the maximum extent
The water
On this map
You
Next I want to just go through
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a little bit of what the review process has been for
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the Wisconsin DNR.
We received this project, we
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received the application from the City of Waukesha in
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May of 2010.
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to provide additional information, there were about
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fifty questions that we asked for them to provide
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additional information.
In December of 2010, we asked the City
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They responded with an additional volume of
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material that they submitted to us that was about 800
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pages of more information.
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sort of back and forth between the City and the DNR
And then there is then
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over the last three years, there has been an
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additional 22 memos that they submitted to us if we
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had other questions.
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of the new information and put it together in a
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revised application as there have been a variety of
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changes that have occurred.
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2013, they submitted an additional application that
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was five volumes of material and about 23,000 pages,
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including the appendices.
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And we asked them to take all
And so in the fall of
So for public participation, there has been
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public participation opportunities throughout that
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five-year period.
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2011 with a comment period then.
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2013, after the new application, or the revised
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application came out, there was an additional comment
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period.
We started off with hearings in
And then in fall of
And the City of Waukesha held a series of
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hearings and meetings about the new application.
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And then finally, this past summer, we held
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public hearings and a comment period in 2015.
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would expect there are many people in the room here
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now who participated in those hearings this summer,
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and provided us with comments.
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appreciate everybody's time and effort to participate
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in those meetings and provide us information and
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thoughts.
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And I
And we really
Through these comment periods, we've also
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had consultation with the Wisconsin tribes, and there
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have been numerous issues that have come up from the
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comments that have influenced the review process.
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Just to provide a couple of examples, the return flow
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location changed, the return flow management plan was
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modified, the demand projections and the diversion
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volume control that the DNR is proposing came out of
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those comments that we received.
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reasonable water supply alternatives analysis,
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particularly for the environmental impacts, we added
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additional alternatives that we reviewed, we changed
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what -- we did some additional analysis and we used a
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U.S.G.S. model to reanalyze some of those
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alternatives to understand what the impacts might be
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for the Mississippi River Basin.
And then the
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Next I'm going to go through
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what some of the key aspects are for our review and
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try and highlight some of the comments that we
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received from 2015 and the ways that the
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application -- the final technical review was
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modified as a result of that.
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So first off, Pete went through what all
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the criteria are without adequate supplies of potable
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water.
The DNR concluded that the City is, in fact,
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without adequate supplies of local water, because
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currently the City is under Wisconsin Department of
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Justice court order to meet all state and federal
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drinking water standards by June of 2018.
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technical review we did an analysis of their 2014
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demand and the current water supply system, and
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showed that the current system does not meet the
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radium standards and cannot meet the radium standards
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as configured.
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And in our
I'll just note that at the bottom of these
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slides we identify the technical review section
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that's associated with the slide, so if anybody is
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particularly interested in one aspect of the
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technical review, for example, this one you would go
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to the Section S1 to find more information in the
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technical review.
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So this map shows the delineated water
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supply service area.
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this area was delineated to be consistent with the
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existing planned service area as required under state
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law.
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diverted water could be served.
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area includes most but not all of the City of
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Waukesha and parts of the Town of Waukesha and
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(indiscernible).
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The department concludes that
So again, this is the maximum extent that the
The current service
And then this is one area that we have
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received extensive public comments on.
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(indiscernible) did not provide a method for
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calculating a reasonable water demand for a community
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seeking a diversion, nor does it prescribe how to
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delineate a diversion area.
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implementing laws do provide a method for delineating
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a diversion area, so the current water service area,
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it's important to note, does not match up with the
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City boundaries, and the City current serves about
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250 customers that are outside of the City limits.
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The agreement
However, Wisconsin's
Wisconsin law, in general, once a utility
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begins to serve customers, it gains an ongoing
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obligation to provide that service which it can't
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abandon without specific authorization from the
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Wisconsin Public Service Commission.
So in addition,
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the department doesn't consider the agreement in the
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Compact to intend to restrict orderly planned
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development by a community seeking a diversion and
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delineating a water supply service area or a
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diversion area.
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overly burdensome to implement and allows for this
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planned growth and provides flexibility given the
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uncertainty of long-range planning.
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It provides a mechanism that's not
So finally, just with this service area,
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the City estimates that 70 percent of the land is
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within the delivery and service area and has already
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been developed.
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for new development, and 15 percent of the land is
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designated as environmentally protected.
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15 percent of the land is available
Demand projections is another key criteria
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that we received many comments about, and these
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comments were that the demand wasn't reasonable and
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that the demand should be restricted to the existing
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city boundaries.
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what the demand is that's associated within each of
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the different areas that are part of the water supply
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service area, the delineated water service area.
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So what this chart shows is just
So you see from here that 8.2 million
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gallons a day of the demands associated with the City
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of Waukesha, and then the next larger portion is
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associated with the Town of Waukesha at 1.3, and
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smaller portions associated with the Town of Pewaukee
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and the Town of Genesee.
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The department determined that the demands
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were reasonable; that because of the water supply
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service area planning, that it needed to be done for
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the full service area; and then, considering the
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uncertainties around projecting water demand, we
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found that using different projection methodologies
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the demand estimates were similar.
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estimates from the City, from SEWRPC, and then also
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the DNR did some independent demand estimates.
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these all included water conservation, and their
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range was from 8.4 to 12.1.
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We used demand
And
As a result of the comments received,
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though, on the demand, the DNR plans to control the
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diversion volume up to 10.1 million gallons a day
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based on the actual service area, calculation
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projections, and demand projections in 20-year time
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increments.
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for the first 20-year period, the diversion amount
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would be restricted to the projected demand for the
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existing service area, which is calculated to be 8.1.
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So that's for the first 20-year period.
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referring to the full build-out, just to clarify.
So, for example, this would mean that,
8.2 here is
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That's another area
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that we received many questions about, comments
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about.
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conservation program began in 2006 and they updated
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their plan in 2012, and they continue to implement
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and update the program.
And to note there, the City of Waukesha's
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We received comments that their program had
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not been fully implemented; however, the department
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used a plan is just that, something that's
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identified, of practices to implement over time.
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we would expect them to continue to evaluate what
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practices are economically feasible and
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environmentally sound and continue to implement new
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practices.
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And
The applicant -- and there's also been
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questions about the applicant's abilities to control
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water conservation outside of the City limits.
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applicant has implemented a requirement that
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properties outside of the City of Waukesha that
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connect to the Waukesha water utility enter into a
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binding contract to comply with the applicant's water
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conservation plan.
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submitted to the DNR this fall.
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located outside of the City boundaries will be
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required by the City to implement the same
The
This was noted in a memo that was
And so properties
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conservation and efficiency measures as the City
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before they would be served municipal water.
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The next area to touch on is reasonable
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water supply alternatives in the Mississippi River
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Basin.
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requesting is 10.1 million gallons a day; however,
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the department did the review for reasonable water
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supply alternatives at the low end of the range based
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on comments that we received with concerns over
As I mentioned, the demand that they're
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demand.
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looking at a demand of 8.5 million gallons a day.
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So all of our environmental analysis was
We did this to address the public concerns
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that had been raised.
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there was no reasonable water supply alternative
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considering the environmental impacts that would
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occur from the different alternatives.
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considered public health, and concluded that all of
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the alternatives could meet state and federal
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drinking water standards.
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And so what we found was that
We also
And from a cost prospective we concluded
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that the alternatives are within 25 percent of each
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other.
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based on public health concerns or costs.
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the alternatives that included the shallow aquifer
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south of the City of Waukesha, all of those we found
So none of the alternatives were eliminated
But for
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would have significant impacts to wetlands in the
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area, and then for the alternative that is an
3
unconfined deep aquifer in western Waukesha County,
4
we found there was an estimated 6 to 12 inches of
5
drawdown and greater than 10 percent decrease in base
6
flow to several of the seepage lakes out there.
7
those numbers exceed screening thresholds for likely
8
adverse impacts to these lakes.
And
9
With the comments we received on the water
10
supply alternatives, I wouldn't necessarily go in to
11
such detail, however, we received 3,000 comments that
12
were in support of an alternative -- a proposed
13
alternative.
14
provide you a little bit more information on this
15
alternative.
16
was just for the City, and they proposed that the
17
average day demand would be 6.7 million gallons a day
18
was their projected demand, and the maximum day
19
amount would be 11.1.
20
So at that point I would just like to
So the alternative that was proposed
So the department this fall went and looked
21
more carefully at this alternative and looked at
22
whether the current system that the City has got with
23
the existing wells.
24
using just the existing wells, they would be able to
25
meet these demands.
This alternative says that,
So the department did that
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analysis, and actually found that the current system
2
capacity, that maximum capacity would be
3
9.3 million gallons a day.
4
capacity, that's a 24 hour firm capacity.
5
defines firm capacity essentially as the water supply
6
system capacity with the largest well out of service.
7
And so, under this, there's not sufficient capacity
8
to meet that 11.1 max day in the end the way that the
9
state law requires they would have just capacity to
10
So that's a firm
State law
meet 9.3 million gallons a day.
11
In addition, common engineering practices
12
advise that for an average day demand you should be
13
running your wells no more than 12 hours a day to
14
allow recovery to the aquifer and reduce wear and
15
tear on the pumps.
16
days, you should be running your wells for 11 to 22
17
hours at most.
And then, similarly, for maximum
18
And so under those numbers, if you look at
19
those numbers, the average day demand that you could
20
reach is 4.6 million gallons a day, well below that
21
projected demand of 6.7.
22
though this alternative doesn't comply with state law
23
and consider the whole area, the delineated water
24
supply service area, we found that this alternative
25
also doesn't work with the existing system the way
So the department, even
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that it was proposed in the public comment period.
2
And then finally, I just want to mention we
3
received many comments about the return flow to Lake
4
Michigan through the Root River on the water quality
5
standards flows and then benefits to the Root River.
6
And here, specifically, it's important to
7
note that many of the water quality parameters for
8
the return flow affluent are actually -- the
9
concentrations are actually lower than the background
10
concentrations in the Root River right now.
11
Essentially with the idea that it would be improving
12
water quality in the river, and the additional flow
13
is also expect to improve habitat.
14
With regards to other issues with flow.
15
the EIS, several people had noted that the stream
16
would be -- the affluent from Waukesha would be 80 to
17
90 percent, that was a calculation that was in our
18
draft EIS.
19
And we redid that analysis using a more technical
20
approach and actually found that under low flow
21
conditions, about half to two-thirds of the water
22
would be the affluent from the City of Waukesha, not
23
80 to 90 percent.
24
25
In
We received a lot of comments about that.
At the other end of the scale, under
flooding conditions, under flood flow conditions for
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the two-year flood, the flow would be about 2 percent
2
of the flow.
3
And finally, I just want to note that the
4
State of Wisconsin would not approve any diversion
5
until all of the required permits had been issued.
6
With that I'm going to turn it over to the City of
7
Waukesha to Dan Duchniak to provide a few remarks
8
about the application and some of the specifics
9
before we move on to the questions.
10
MS. DUCHNIAK:
Thank you, Shaili.
Good
11
afternoon.
12
general manager of the Waukesha Water Utility.
13
behalf of the Mayor of Waukesha, I would like to
14
thank you for coming today and welcome you to the
15
City of Waukesha.
16
My name is Dan Duchniak, and I'm the
On
First off, I wanted to go through the --
17
I'm only going to have one slide, I don't have many
18
slides, but I'm going to go through the unique set of
19
facts that Waukesha has related to this application.
20
First off, we need a new water supply
21
because the groundwater quantity is limited and the
22
quality is impaired.
23
supply causes significant environmental impacts.
24
as I stated yesterday, besides radium, as earlier
25
this month we had to turn off two of our shallow
Daily use of the existent
And
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wells because we had high levels of chlorides in them
2
that were coming out of the wells, and we were
3
concerned about that high level of chlorides entering
4
the distribution system, so we had to turn those
5
shallow aquifer wells off.
6
We are a cost-effective distance from the
7
Great Lakes water supply.
8
the City of Oak Creek for our water supply.
9
located one-and-a-half miles from away from the Great
We are planning on using
We are
10
Lakes Basin.
11
is connected to the Great Lakes.
12
concluded in their technical review that the deep
13
aquifer water is hydrologically connected to the
14
waters of the Great Lakes.
15
We currently utilize groundwater that
The DNR has
The aquifer information -- or the aquifer
16
information restricts recharge contributing to the
17
groundwater decline.
18
formation within southeastern Wisconsin and
19
northeastern Illinois that prevents the percolation
20
of water through the soil and allowing it to recharge
21
the deep aquifer.
22
the deep aquifer because of that layer of shale.
23
have naturally occurring groundwater contaminants
24
such as radium, total dissolved solids, chlorides, as
25
I have said before, and strontium that we have also
That is a unique geological
So we are restricting recharge of
We
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had in our shallow ground water.
2
court order to comply with the Safe Drinking Water
3
Act Radium Standard by 2015.
4
And we are under
Radium is a naturally occurring carcinogen
5
that is located in the deep aquifer; and as we pull
6
that water out, we pull the radium out.
7
remove that radium from the water.
8
bringing it to the surface and having to deal with it
9
for the long-term then.
10
We have to
So we are
We are a leader in water conservation, and
11
we have included water conservation rates.
12
daytime sprinkling ban.
13
to fix or replacement.
14
program, and we have an industrial rebate program
15
also.
16
to remain on our existing supply.
We have a
We have financial incentives
We have a public education
However, conservation alone will not allow us
17
We have return flow that will be -- or we
18
will be returning 100 percent of the water to Great
19
Lakes, having no impact on lake levels.
20
return flow improves the Great Lakes tributary, the
21
Root River, and performance of a Great Lakes fish egg
22
collection facility, which will allow for angling
23
opportunities with increased tourism potential as a
24
result, especially in the Racine area.
25
And that
Development of an environmental impact
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statement after years of thorough analysis and
2
extensive public input.
3
that we have had through this process, the City of
4
Waukesha has had in excess of 100 meetings where we
5
have allowed for public input on this process.
6
alternatives have been fully vetted and peer reviewed
7
and all the work that was completed with it all
8
within this application has gone through that
9
process.
10
Besides the public input
Our
So on behalf of the mayor, the Common
11
Council, the Water Commission, and myself, and
12
especially the residents of the City of Waukesha, I
13
would like to thank the Regional Body and Compact
14
Council members, along with the conference staff and
15
the DNR staff for their time and attention that is
16
given to this proposal, so thank you.
17
MR. CHAIRMAN:
Thank you.
18
like to answer any questions.
19
ask Peter to describe the process.
20
MR. JOHNSON:
We would now
And I would like to
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
21
Outside the room we were handing out three-by-five
22
cards, where you could write questions down.
23
going to ask for our folks to walk amongst the
24
aisles.
25
questions that you may have, and I'm going to have
I'm now
If they could raise their hands, grab any
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them bring them up front.
2
out as appropriate to the appropriate person, and try
3
to answer as many questions as we can with the time
4
that we have left before the public hearing begins at
5
three o'clock, so bear with us a moment while we
6
collect them.
7
We're going to share them
Pete, thank you for submitting the
8
questions.
9
making sure we have the right person to answer the
10
questions.
We're just going to go through them and
It will be just a moment.
11
(Pause while questions are sorted.)
12
MR. JOHNSON:
Okay.
The first question
13
that we have is:
14
approved sewer service area plan, if not or if the
15
plan is not approved explain why the water supply
16
service area of the City of Waukesha does not mirror
17
the sewer service area.
18
Is the Town of Genesee in an
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:
My name is Chris
19
(indiscernible) with the Wisconsin DNR.
20
portion of the Town of Genesee that was included in
21
the water supply service area that is not currently
22
in the water supply -- or there's a portion of the
23
Town of Genesee that is in the water supply
24
delineated water supply service area that is not in
25
the sewer service area currently.
There is a
In our technical
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review we state that one of the conditions that we
2
would place on it before we approve any water supply
3
service area plan would be that the sewer service
4
area has to be amended to match the water supply
5
service area before any final diversion approval will
6
be issued.
7
MR. JOHNSON:
The next question is:
8
Waukesha have a combined sewer system?
9
could identify yourself.
And if you
10
MS. CLAYTON:
11
Department of Natural Resources.
12
have a combined system.
13
for wastewater and (indiscernible) well water.
14
MR. JOHNSON:
Does
Nicki Clayton, Wisconsin
The City does not
It has separate treatment
And then the next question
15
here is:
16
be good for the Root River and the floodplain?
How can 10 million gallons of return water
17
MS. CLAYTON:
18
modeling for flow and returning.
19
10.1 million gallons of water per day, and that's
20
approximately 15.6 CFS.
21
We did do some hydraulic
The maximum of
And like Shaili said earlier in her
22
presentation, that during a two-year storm event that
23
flow would comprise about 2 percent of the flow, and
24
during a 100-year storm event it would be .3 percent.
25
For comparison purposes, FEMA, in order to
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incorporate something into the revised hydrology,
2
into their flood insurance studies, the increase
3
would have to be about 10 percent above regular flow,
4
so their flow would be 28 percent.
5
Thank you.
6
MR. JOHNSON:
Does
7
the City of Waukesha have plans to further develop
8
residential expansion in industrial zones?
9
MR. DUCHNIAK:
Dan Duchniak, general
10
manager of the Waukesha water utility.
11
or further development would be in accordance with
12
our approved zoning planning that we have for the
13
City of Waukesha.
Any expansion
14
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
The answer is, yes?
15
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Yes, the answer is, yes.
16
MR. DUCHNIAK:
Sorry, yes.
There would
17
be -- any further development would be in accordance
18
with our approved planning.
19
20
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
development?
There is a plan for the
Is that answer yes?
21
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
22
MR. JOHNSON:
Yes.
And, I'm sorry, please --
23
we're just looking for responses from the people on
24
the stage, please.
25
public comments in the next time period here.
There will be an opportunity for
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Is there any data
2
steelhead are willing to swim through X percent
3
effluent.
4
home stream.
They use olfactory senses to locate their
5
MS. CLAYTON:
6
Department of Natural Resources.
7
fisheries biologist, I just helped compile all the
8
return flow aspects.
9
put together (indiscernible) our fishery supervisor,
Nicki Clayton with Wisconsin
I'm not the
But we didn't (indiscernible)
10
and the background effluent -- the effluent coming in
11
is going to be cleaner than the background
12
concentrations currently in the Root River, and
13
that's all that I can say about it at this point.
14
Thanks.
15
MR. JOHNSON:
Next question is:
Where are
16
the locations of the alternative well sites?
17
map available?
18
MS. PFEIFFER:
Is a
This is Shaili Pfeiffer.
So
19
the well sites for the shallow well, the alternative
20
for the shallow well is located south of the City of
21
Waukesha between the Fox River and Kettle Brook,
22
primarily.
23
that are in the technical review.
24
25
There is detailed information in maps
MR. JOHNSON:
Next question starts off with
a comment, but leading into a question.
Waukesha
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(indiscernible) hydrogen, background levels of
2
chloride, SR radium, et cetera, are present included
3
(indiscernible).
4
How do they deal with it?
5
MS. PFEIFFER:
So I'm assuming this means
6
how do other communities deal with this?
7
of these kinds of issues really are site specific to
8
a community.
9
about how other communities in Wisconsin are dealing
The details
So, for example, we got asked questions
10
with radium issues just as one example.
11
and I looked through all of the communities in
12
Wisconsin that have radium issues.
13
number that do.
14
in looking at that, that there are vastly different
15
volumes of waters that those communities are dealing
16
with to treat -- what they need to do to treat that
17
radium, so that has a big impact on what a community
18
can do and what alternatives are available to it and
19
viable for it.
20
21
22
And I went
There are quite a
And one of the things that struck me
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Can you give one
example -MR. JOHNSON:
I'm sorry.
We're just taking
23
answers to the question from here.
24
followup question you can fill out a card.
25
If you have a
I'm sorry, we have a number of questions
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that we need to deal with and we need to do this in
2
an orderly fashion.
3
If 100 percent of water will be returned to
4
the Great Lakes, why can't 100 percent of the water
5
be returned to western Waukesha lakes?
6
MS. PFEIFFER:
So just to follow up on the
7
previous question, two of the communities that are
8
nearby, both the City of Pewaukee and also Brookfield
9
are two communities that are examples that treat for
10
radium in Wisconsin and are in compliance with the
11
Safe Drinking Water Act to do that.
12
With regards to this question that relates
13
to returning water to western Waukesha lakes, I'm not
14
entirely sure what the question is getting at, but I
15
assume it's to deal with the environmental impacts to
16
the lakes.
17
specifically for wastewater discharges, however,
18
these are deep seepage lakes, which means they are
19
enclosed and have no discharge to the lake.
20
would expect that they would not be sites that you
21
would be allowed to discharge wastewater to.
22
State of Wisconsin, there are just very different and
23
very specific requirements for what types of water
24
bodies you can release water into and what types you
25
can't.
I don't know the standards really
And so I
In the
In Wisconsin that's typically rivers that
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MR. JOHNSON:
Why did the alternative
3
analysis not include analysis for different treatment
4
methods for radium, and other radium treatment
5
methods that could be evaluated to provide safe
6
drinking water without Great Lakes water.
7
MS. PFEIFFER:
So actually we did look at
8
different radium treatment methods.
9
things that came up with this CIC, the Compact
One of the
10
Implementation Coalition, is water supply
11
alternative.
12
way the City of Waukesha had configured their deep
13
and shallow aquifer alternative, trying to mirror
14
that process and made as many of the same decisions
15
as possible with that.
16
They configured it very similar to the
That alternative used reverse osmosis as
17
the treatment method.
18
reverse osmosis is that you end up losing -- it
19
varies depending on what the radium concentrations
20
are, but we used a figure of about 20 percent of the
21
volume of water.
22
more water in order to get what you need for demand.
23
So then issues came up with that, well, if
And one of the issues with
So you essentially have to pump
24
reverse osmosis has problems in terms of a demand
25
then what about other treatment methods?
And so what
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we did after we received those comments is, in the
2
EIS we actually did a review of the different
3
treatment alternatives and then -- you know, and
4
consulted with the engineering staff at the DNR
5
relating to that.
6
The conclusion there was that the radium or
7
RO is actually probably the most preferred treatment
8
method when you have a situation like the City of
9
Waukesha's, primarily just because of a high
10
concentration of the total dissolved solids that are
11
in there beyond water quality.
12
what you would choose for a treatment method are
13
highly specific to the specifics of the water quality
14
of that system.
15
The decisions for
So that analysis was done, and then to the
16
second part of this question was did the another
17
radium treatment exist that should be evaluated to
18
provide safe drinking water without Great Lakes
19
water?
20
I don't think that -- I don't think that
21
it's a different treatment method that would -- that
22
would need to be considered.
23
treatment methods have been considered and don't
24
really change the conclusion on the availability of a
25
water supply alternative in the Mississippi River
Those different
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2
MR. JOHNSON:
The next question I think is
3
probably more my alley, are there other communities
4
and straddling counties looking to do the same as
5
Waukesha within the basin?
6
The best I can say is that we're not aware
7
of any other communities at this time.
8
say that nobody's considering it, but we're not aware
9
of any other communities and certainly no one has
It's not to
10
submitted an application or indicated they are about
11
to at this time.
12
Next question is:
If this is approved,
13
there's no way it would be completed by -- let's
14
see -- will be completed by 2018.
15
fined $5,000 a day?
16
increase and where do the funds come for the fine?
17
Are we still being
How much will our water rates
MR. DUCHNIAK:
Dan Duchniak, Waukesha Water
18
Utility.
19
I'm going to try to bunch them all together and
20
answer them all at the same time.
21
regards to the -- with regards to the compliance
22
standard, 2018, and the potential fines, that would
23
be something that we would have to negotiate with the
24
Department of Justice, so I can't really comment on
25
that at this time.
There's a number of questions on there, so
First off with
The potential fines, though, are
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up to $5,000 per day per well that is out of
2
compliance.
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And then, like I said, there's a number of
4
questions.
5
increase:
6
the Common Council and the Water Commission that
7
rates are going to at a minimum double and
8
potentially triple depending on the amount of funds
9
that we could get through low interest loans, the
On how much will the water rates
The water utility has been cleared with
10
amount of debt we have to issue as a water utility
11
and as the City, and the amount of potential grant
12
funds that we could essentially obtain from the
13
federal government.
14
So it's all reliant on a number of
15
different variables, but, in general, the costs are
16
going to double -- at a minimum double and
17
potentially triple.
18
water bill you received today is comprised of both
19
water and sewer.
20
portion of the bill, so we're talking only about the
21
half of the bill that's the water portion of the
22
bill, not the entire bill.
23
One thing I will say is that the
About half of the bill is the water
And then:
Where do the funds come from for
24
the fines that are associated with the -- if they do
25
get levied?
They come from water utility funds.
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That's how they were paid previously when we were
2
fined by the Department of Justice with regard to our
3
radium compliance.
4
MR. JOHNSON:
Why
5
was the new aquifer modeling study and three other
6
documents amended to the application months after the
7
public comment period was closed?
8
process, as outlined, should have allowed public
9
input on all documents and to the application.
10
MS. PFEIFFER:
The DNR evaluation
I'm not entirely sure about
11
this.
12
aquifer modeling study that the applicant provided at
13
the end of the -- in December to us.
14
used -- we posted that study to our web page when we
15
received it.
16
in the revised preliminary final EIS.
17
is -- it says three other documents amended to the
18
application months after the public comment period
19
was closed.
20
I believe that they're talking about a new
And so we
We did not actually cite that document
And there
So I believe that those might be referring
21
to some documents and memos that the City provided,
22
that we basically requested.
23
one related to water conservation.
24
of the public comment period, we asked the City for
25
some additional information and received some good
For example, there was
And as a result
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comments that indicated that there was a table in the
2
2012 Water Conservation Plan, that it didn't appear
3
the City was up to date with meeting the items in
4
that table over the timeline set out in that table.
5
So we asked the City what they were doing
6
with water conservation, and what -- you know, what
7
their efforts were, and what they had accomplished in
8
terms of meeting those objectives.
9
provided a memo to us that provided additional
And so they
10
information.
11
documents that we posted after the comment period
12
closed were all documents that we received from the
13
applicant, that they put together in response to
14
comments that were received during the application
15
period.
16
So as far as I understand, the
MR. JOHNSON:
17
Blending water is being used as a solution to radium
18
in many communities.
19
600 million gallons a day, what effect might that
20
have on the groundwater?
21
If Waukesha stayed at
MS. PFEIFFER:
So, yes, blending water is
22
used to deal with radium in many communities, I agree
23
with that point.
24
demand was 6.7 million gallons a day.
25
their current system is not -- does not meet the Safe
The City, in 2014, their water
And really
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Drinking Water Act the way it's configured at this
2
point, that they need to figure out a new system and
3
a new supply, that the CIC alternative that was
4
proposed includes additional radium treatment, but
5
that the system doesn't have sufficient capacity.
6
With the wells that they have presently, so the deep
7
wells and the three shallow wells, there's not
8
sufficient capacity.
9
capacity, whether their demand increases above 6.7 or
10
11
12
13
They need to have additional
not.
MR. JOHNSON:
Next question is:
Is reverse
osmosis a viable option to treat current water?
MS. PFEIFFER:
So reverse osmosis, I think
14
I covered this primarily, that reverse osmosis is a
15
treatment method for radium, it's used in many
16
communities.
17
Wisconsin, but I know in northern Illinois there's
18
definitely communities.
19
midwest use reverse osmosis, so it's definitely a
20
viable treatment option.
21
I don't know that it's actually used in
Other communities around the
In this situation, with the current well
22
configuration and the current wells, there's not
23
sufficient capacity to do that.
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supply alternatives found that if you were to add
25
capacity to this system through the shallow aquifer
Our review of water
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then you're going to have potentially significant
2
adverse effects to wetlands.
3
So, yes, reverse osmosis is a viable
4
treatment option, but in this specific situation, we
5
didn't find that it would allow there to be a
6
reasonable water supply return to the Mississippi
7
River Basin.
8
MR. JOHNSON:
Has
9
there been any consideration of complete recycling
10
for use of the existing Waukesha water rather than
11
withdrawing (indiscernible).
12
MR. DUCHNIAK:
13
Waukesha water utility.
14
considered as one of the alternatives that was
15
originally looked at when we looked at 14 different
16
alternatives.
17
looked at and it was screened out for various reasons
18
and ultimately we ended up looking at six different
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alternatives.
20
Dan Duchniak from the
Yes, complete recycling was
That was one of the ones that was
MR. JOHNSON:
Will the tainted wells be
21
discontinued to be (indiscernible) isolate this
22
radium and other pollutants from seeping into Lake
23
Michigan and all the Great Lakes?
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MS. PFEIFFER:
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So, yes, if the City of
Waukesha gets a diversion to upgrade to Great Lakes
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water, they would no longer use the deep wells for
2
their water supply.
3
set -- the DNR has approved the option to keep them
4
as emergency backup wells in the event of an
5
emergency situation.
6
on a regular basis.
7
They -- they had asked and we
However, they would not be used
I'll just kind of comment a little bit more
8
on some of the rest of this comment.
9
in the deep aquifer, it's a naturally occurring
The radium is
10
contaminant; and if you're not pumping it out of the
11
aquifer, then it's -- then it's going to stay in
12
place there.
13
MR. JOHNSON:
And looks like for the last
14
question:
15
approved by city residents?
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Has the vast cost of this project been
MR. DUCHNIAK:
Dan Duchniak, Waukesha Water
17
Utility.
18
public input process.
19
meetings with the public at the Common Council level.
20
After alternating with district meetings one in every
21
alleged district, and close to 100 water utility
22
commission meetings, both with the water commission
23
and the City council voted unanimously for this
24
application.
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The City of Waukesha has had a robust
MR. CHAIRMAN:
I would say after dozens of
Thank you.
We will now
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recess for a moment, a very brief moment, as I ask
2
the Regional Body and Compact Council members to come
3
to the front table.
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5
6
7
MR. JOHNSON:
We will begin the public
hearing momentarily.
(A recess is taken from 3:00 p.m. to 3:07 p.m.)
MR. CHAIRMAN:
Good afternoon.
My name is
8
Rodney Tornes and I'm serving as the chair of
9
Regional Body and Compact Council on behalf of the
10
Ohio Department of Natural Resource Director; James
11
Berringer, who is the designee of Governor Casey, to
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the Regional Body at Compact Council meetings.
13
Today's public hearing is a joint
14
(indiscernible) Great Lakes-Saint Lawrence Water
15
Resources Regional Body, otherwise known as the
16
Regional Body; and the Great Lakes-Saint Lawrence
17
River Basin Water Resources Council, otherwise known
18
as the Compact Council.
19
The purpose of this public hearing is to
20
provide you, the public, with an opportunity to
21
provide comments on the Waukesha Diversion
22
Application.
23
With me at the table are representatives of
24
the Regional Body and Compact Council, including Dan
25
Injerd of Illinois; Chris Smith of Indiana; Grant
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Trigger from Michigan; Julie Ekman from Minnesota;
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Don Zelazyny from New York, Jennifer Keyes of
3
Ontario; Kelly Heffner from Pennsylvania, Marcel
4
Gaucher from Quebec, and Eric Ebersberger of
5
Wisconsin.
6
I'm also joined by Dave Naftzger and Peter
7
Johnson, the secretary of the staff, and Mark Adams
8
Holland & Knight who served as outside counsel for
9
the secretary of staff.
10
To assist us in proceeding with comments in
11
an efficient and orderly way, we are calling on
12
Barbara Adams, who is legal counsel for the secretary
13
of staff, to conduct the comment-taking process
14
(indiscernible) in coordination of Peter Johnson,
15
Deputy Director to the Secretary.
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MS. ADAMS:
Barbara?
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Good
17
afternoon, and welcome everyone to today's hearing,
18
which is jointly hosted as it occurred by the Great
19
Lakes-Saint Lawrence Water Resources Regional Body,
20
which we refer to publicly as the Regional Body for
21
short, and the Great Lakes-Saint Lawrence River Water
22
Resources Council, also known as the Compact Council.
23
So why are we here today?
We're here
24
for -- the purpose is we're going to receive comments
25
on the City of Waukesha's proposed Diversion of Great
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Lakes water.
2
River Water Resources Basin Compact, which we call
3
"The Compact" for short, and the parallel agreement,
4
the City of Waukesha has applied for an exception to
5
the general prohibition of diversion to the Great
6
Lakes water as a community that has been determined a
7
straddling county, which means that (indiscernible)
8
lies partly within the Great Lakes Basin and partly
9
outside that basin.
10
Under the Great Lakes-Saint Lawrence
Therefore, Waukesha must go through a
11
regional review process on both the Compact and the
12
Regional Agreement, and to obtain approval ultimately
13
of the Compact Council in order to divert Lake
14
Michigan water to the City.
15
Part of the initial review process is what
16
we're doing here today, is to receive public comment
17
from you on whether the City's application, as filed,
18
meets the standard of review and decision on both the
19
regional agreement and the Compact.
20
This hearing is being held pursuant to two
21
documents; the document (indiscernible) Section 201
22
of the Compact Council's Interim Guidance that they
23
adopted on June 10, 2010, and also Section 0201 of
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the regional bodies interim procedures, also adopted
25
on June 10, 2010.
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The Regional Body and the Compact Council
2
set this time and place, which is three o'clock in
3
the afternoon on February 18th, of 2016, here at
4
Carroll University, Shaddock Music Center, Room 122.
5
In Waukesha, Wisconsin, for a public hearing to
6
receive those public comments on the proposed
7
diversion.
8
9
Notice of the hearing was given on
January 7th, 2016, on a joint website hosted by the
10
Regional Body and the Compact Council, as well as
11
through the Great Lakes information network and sent
12
to all individuals who registered with that group as
13
interested parties.
14
federal indigenous tribes.
15
And also to First Nations and
Those of you who were here at the 2:00
16
o'clock hour already know a record of this proceeding
17
will reflect that an informational presentation to
18
the pubic was held immediately prior to this hearing,
19
commencing at 2:00 o'clock in the same room.
20
public at that time had an opportunity to ask
21
questions of the secretariat of the Regional Body and
22
Compact as well as State of Wisconsin staff after the
23
initial presentation.
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25
The
So let me just take a moment to refresh
everybody about the ways that you have to make public
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comment.
2
public comments about the Waukesha Diversion
3
Proposal.
4
mail them or deliver them to the office of the
5
secretary in Chicago.
6
the secretary's website as well as the
7
WaukeshawDiversion.org website that was referenced
8
earlier today.
9
There are five levels that you can submit
One is to provide written comments and
That address is available on
We can provide written comments by email,
10
attach it to a -- either a written email or attach a
11
document to the email and send it to
12
[email protected].
13
The third way is to provide written
14
comments by filling out the comment form.
15
comment forms up in front in the lobby.
16
can fill out a comment form in paper, or you can do
17
it on the website, but the form is available.
18
There's a form on the website as well.
19
written comments that you have prepared, you can
20
provide those to us today, get them in to us today,
21
those will be part of the record.
22
we're prepared today to hear your oral comments on
23
the proposal.
24
25
There are
Today you
If can have
And, of course,
If you are going to submit written
comments, we ask that they be submitted no later than
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March 14th, 2016, here noted in the first hour today
2
that if you submitted it earlier than January 12th,
3
that you submitted written comments, please resubmit
4
them before March 14, because that's the window for
5
the comments, so if you were an early bird, please
6
file that again.
7
And then those will all be included, and
8
the statements will have the same weight and effect
9
as any oral statements presented today.
So don't
10
feel if you submit a letter or something like that,
11
it won't get read.
12
So what happens next?
And Peter reviewed
13
this a little bit earlier, but I'll do it again so
14
that it's in our hearing record.
15
your comments today on the application of the City of
16
Waukesha to divert Great Lakes water.
17
will be reviewed by the Regional Body and the Compact
18
Council.
19
period and a receipt of all technical reviews, then
20
the Regional Body which consists of the governors of
21
the eight Great Lakes states and the premiers of the
22
Canadian Provinces of Quebec and Ontario.
23
Regional Body will review and consider adoption of a
24
Declaration of Finding as to whether the application
25
meets the criteria in the Great Lakes and Saint
We're here to take
All comments
At the close of the public hearing contact
The
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Lawrence River Basin Sustainable Water Resources
2
Agreement.
3
While the consensus by the actual body was
4
preferred, that declaration is not required to be
5
unanimous; it can contain alternative points of view.
6
After the adoption of the Declaration of Finding by
7
the Regional Body, it then is forwarded to the
8
Compact Council, which consists of the governors of
9
the Great Lakes states, for their consideration.
10
The Compact Council is required to reach a
11
decision to approve the diversion before a state
12
permit can be processed for the diversion proposal.
13
Under the Compact, any vote against the application
14
means it will not be approved.
15
So now let's talk about public comments.
16
That's why we're here.
17
in.
18
sign-in forms up front, even if you're not going to
19
comment, please sign in.
20
record of who's here.
21
those forms, please grab one of those forms, fill it
22
out and turn it in.
23
to make a comment on that form.
24
25
We asked y'all to please sign
If you haven't already filled out one of the
We have to have a good
If you haven't gotten one of
Indicate yes or no if you wish
Some folks have told us in advance they
would like to make comments today.
(Indiscernible).
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If you don't wish to speak right now, but as the
2
proceedings go forward you decide you would like to
3
make a comment orally, please get a comment form,
4
fill it out, turn it in, and we will make sure that
5
we get through everybody who submits a later form as
6
well.
7
bring those comment forms to us.
8
9
There are staff folks who are walking and will
Please keep in mind the intent is to be
informational in nature.
It's not a contested case.
10
This is not intended to be an adversary proceeding.
11
The purpose is really that the folks up here want to
12
hear what you have to say, want to hear your comments
13
on the Waukesha proposal to divert the Great Lakes
14
water.
15
here, very impressive.
16
rules.
17
through the ground rules up front.
18
And we really appreciate how many people are
Let me give you the ground
With this many people it's essential to go
Given the number of folks here and the
19
acoustics of how this is going to work, if you want
20
to have a side conversation or a chat with your
21
neighbor, we ask that you please step outside into
22
the hall so that it doesn't distract from the
23
attention to the speaker or person who has the
24
microphone.
25
we would like to hear that person and have that
The speaker is entitled to be heard, and
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person have a fair turn.
2
Second, we want to hear from as many of you
3
as we can, there's obviously a lot of people, we have
4
a lot of forms up here already.
5
all comments to three minutes per person.
6
you come up to the mics, be prepared to be efficient.
7
We'll let you know when your three minutes are up.
8
We'll have a yellow card which will indicate you have
9
30 seconds left.
So we're limiting
And then we have the red card that
10
says your time is up.
11
yield the floor to the next speaker.
12
So when
So we ask if you would please
Third, if you hear someone make a comment
13
that is a comment that you agree with, and that's
14
really the comment that you wanted to make, if you
15
come up to the microphone and introduce yourself, and
16
say "I agree with so and so and with those comments,"
17
everybody, I think, would appreciate your brevity and
18
sincerity of comment, and we would appreciate it, so
19
we encourage you to do that where that's possible.
20
And, fourth, if you have blanket comments,
21
we encourage you to use your three minutes to give us
22
the highlights of your comments, and then please give
23
us your full comments in writing so that the detail
24
can be thought about and considered carefully,
25
because we just don't have time to allow folks to go
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for a long time.
We do have a sign-in sheet.
So feel free
3
to sign in, if you need to.
4
to speak one at a time, but what I would ask them to
5
do is if you queue up three or four names ahead and
6
announce those would be the next folks, we would
7
encourage those folks to come down to the area of the
8
microphone so that they can take a seat near there so
9
that they are prepared to get up and not -- we don't
We will call people up
10
waste everybody's time with people trying to make
11
their way to the front.
12
three or four ahead so that you know when your term
13
will come up and you can be ready.
14
We'll try to be queuing up
When it's your turn to make comments,
15
please state your name and address for the record,
16
and speak into the microphone.
17
reporter, over here to your left, and she is taking
18
everything down, so please use the mic so she can
19
hear you and everybody else can hear you as well.
20
And also, please keep in mind that the court reporter
21
can only take down words so if you nod or gesture, if
22
you're intending to convey something other than
23
words, please convert it to words so she can get that
24
on the record as well.
25
We have a court
And with that -- that's a lot of
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preliminaries, but I hope those rules will make sense
2
that we have.
3
And we have quite a staff.
4
four speakers that we have are Joan Francoeur,
5
Jennifer Andrews, Shawn Riley, and Tom Barrett.
6
if those folks would come down, and we would like to
7
hear first from Joan Francoeur.
8
9
10
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
So the first
So
Joan Francoeur, 201 North
Comanche Lane, Waukesha, Wisconsin.
Thank you to the Department of Natural
11
Resources for working so hard on this application.
12
Thank you for the opportunity to address you today,
13
and welcome you to what we fondly call "The Shaw."
14
My name is Joan Francoeur, and I'm an
15
alderman in the City and have served for 13 years.
16
have had a chance to participate in the discussions
17
and a couple of forums and meetings and to cast votes
18
for the water diversion application.
19
4,600 people.
20
this water application, they want to be responsible,
21
good neighbors to the region, and to a larger
22
community that is touched by the Great Lakes.
I represent
The people in our district support
23
I believe you will be hearing a lot about
24
the science and rationale behind our efforts today.
25
I believe the studies and research have proved
I
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(indiscernible).
2
produce good policy.
3
who are very articulate and passionate about their
4
point of view.
5
I believe that good data can
Today you will hear from people
So what could I possibly add to this forum?
6
A long time ago I read that Einstein said that there
7
isn't any such thing as a straight line.
8
was next to a picture that showed that when we see
9
only a small portion of an issue or a space, we think
The quote
10
it looks straight.
11
perspective, it is, but the distance between two
12
points and on a much larger arc or curve.
13
But when we get a larger
To me that applies to how we look at this
14
application.
15
for this diversion, but our city is also required to
16
see the larger picture as we live in a wider world
17
that affects all the Great Lakes and our community
18
and neighbors.
19
we must do it in the way that protects our region by
20
not drawing down the aquifers, and also join through
21
those who are focused on the need to protect the
22
larger community called the Great Lakes.
23
Waukesha has demonstrated critical need
While ensuring our own water future,
I firmly believe that this application
24
addresses both of those necessities and meets the
25
Compact criteria.
I served on our planning
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commission, and we find occasionally that in granting
2
a permit you sometimes need to apply conditions.
3
respectfully ask that you consider conditions under
4
which you can grant this application to us.
5
I
Lastly, I wanted to use my time to ask you
6
to look at us.
7
are two Waukeshas; one is the name of our county and
8
one is our city.
9
our city.
I know you've taken a tour.
There
Today we are here advocating for
I want you to know our city and its
10
residents.
11
the people in your home area.
12
workers and families and a high percentage of
13
affordable housing like many of you may have.
14
I want you to see that we are just like
We have a lot of
We turn the water on and we brush our
15
teeth.
16
we're taking care of our prescious resource.
17
Finally, I'd like to say we have a
We don't water our lawns like we did, and
18
population that's represented by people such as
19
myself.
20
but small enough to have all of our servants
21
participate as they did with this.
22
concurred, and our application is better for that.
23
We are a well-run city, urban challenged,
All of them
In summing up, our Common Council along
24
with our staff and our taxpayers have made sure that
25
we are financially sound.
So most of all, I want you
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to know that you can trust us to be a strong steward
2
of the Compact and we keep our word.
3
4
MS. ADAMS:
Thank you.
Thank you for your comment.
Jennifer Andrews?
5
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Good afternoon.
Jennifer
6
Andrews.
7
the City of Waukesha, and I've worked for Waukesha
8
for 17 years.
9
University and a resident of the City as well.
10
I'm the Community Development Director for
I also happen to be an alum of Carroll
Today I just want to tell you a little bit
11
about our city.
12
you have already heard and a little bit about our
13
development focus.
14
largest population in its county.
15
diverse skill sets including doctors, machinists, and
16
all the way to baristas.
17
population, and we have the most diverse population
18
in the county in terms of income and race.
Hopefully it's not hitting too much
The City of Waukesha has the
Our workforce has
We have a diverse
19
We support our workforce and our population
20
by providing affordable housing and transit services.
21
The City has developed at a moderate pace over the
22
past 170 years, and this is not a new community, as
23
I'm sure you noticed, are a suburban community.
24
City has a diverse and standalone economy.
25
home to three higher learning institutions, we have
The
We are
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one of the heaviest used airports in the state, and
2
our hospital services the majority of the population
3
of the county of Waukesha.
4
We have a thriving industrial sector, which
5
is witnessed by six out of ten of our largest
6
employers being manufacturers.
7
seat and the host County government, and we also host
8
the world headquarters of GE Medical.
9
We are the County
Our development focus is really on the
10
expansion of existing manufacturers and companies in
11
the City of Waukesha, also the redevelopment of
12
ground fields and infill on lands already planted and
13
divided, especially in our central city.
14
The City has a long history of
15
comprehensive planning, and as part of that planning
16
development of the water service area that you have
17
seen.
18
the City limits.
19
planning tool for decades, and has been using it even
20
before it was required by state law.
21
And that does include some areas outside of
The City has used this as a
The City already serves some customers
22
outside the City boundaries, but within its service
23
area, and would like to be able to continue doing
24
that in a safe manner.
25
limits but within the service area have a great deal
The areas outside of the City
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of environmentally sensitive areas and conservancy
2
areas that are not developable or areas that have
3
already been developed by other towns or government
4
units.
5
15 percent of the area between the City
6
limits and the service area is the only -- is the
7
only area that's available for development; and, of
8
that, half a percent of that land is available for
9
industrial development and .2 percent for commercial
10
development.
11
We have been responsible in our development
12
patterns, and a reliable water supply is critical for
13
the continued success and viability of all of our
14
businesses and our economy.
15
critical for our 71,000 residents.
16
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
But most of all it's
Thank you.
Hello, Shawn Riley.
I'm
17
the mayor of the City of Waukesha, and I thank you
18
for holding this public hearing.
19
have probably a long afternoon.
20
support for Waukesha's application to provide a
21
sustainable and healthy drinking water supply for my
22
residents by asking to borrow and return Lake
23
Michigan water under the terms of the Great Lakes
24
Compact.
25
I think you will
I'm here to voice my
The purpose of the Compact was to ensure
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that the decisions are made on science not politics.
2
It's hard to imagine a water supply decision that has
3
received more investigation than Waukesha's.
4
experts at the DNR have reviewed our 3,000-page
5
application for more than five years before drafting
6
an environmental impact statement and technical
7
review.
8
memorandums in response to DNR questions over those
9
five years.
10
The
We submitted an additional 22 technical
The DNR agreed that our application to
11
borrow and return Lake Michigan water meets the
12
requirements of the Great Lakes Compact.
13
seen interest groups make claims about what the
14
Compact requires, however, their claims use standards
15
that are not in the Compact.
16
resort or exhausting all alternatives.
17
standard to be used to determine the outcome is
18
important, the standard set forth in the Compact is
19
the only reasonable alternative.
20
We have
Such as being the last
The legal
For those concerned that there may be a
21
large number of future requests, I refer them to the
22
independent work by the Great Lakes organization that
23
studied this issue.
24
communities and straddling counties that may someday
25
have the need that we do for Great Lakes water.
It found only four other
In
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addition, please recall that, other than New Berlin
2
in 2009, not a single other community that straddles
3
basin divide (indiscernible) permission from their
4
state's governor and are not required to demonstrate
5
a need, has even applied for Great Lakes water since
6
the Compact was enacted.
7
Our circumstances are unique.
We have a
8
naturally contaminated water from a depleted water
9
supply and a court order requiring us to address it.
10
Our return flow water will improve the flow and water
11
quality of the Great Lakes tributary, helping the
12
fishery and important fish egg collection facility.
13
Waukesha is also unique in that we are one
14
and a half miles outside of the Great Lakes Basin
15
surface divide, but inside the groundwater divide.
16
This means that our continued groundwater use will
17
negatively affect the Great Lakes watershed.
18
Compact states that substantial consideration should
19
be given to whether or not the proposal can provide
20
sufficient scientifically based evidence that the
21
existing water supply can derive from groundwater
22
that is hydrologically interconnected to waters with
23
the basin.
24
25
The
Our application provides this
scientifically based evidence.
In summary,
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Waukesha's application meets legal requirements, the
2
decision on Waukesha's application is not a choice
3
between protecting the Great Lakes and providing safe
4
drinking water for Waukesha.
5
wall at the borders of straddling counties and by
6
requiring return flow, the Compact assures that both
7
of those roles can be met.
8
9
MS. ADAMS:
comments.
By establishing a clear
Thank you, mayor, for your
Before you start I'll just ask the next
10
five folks to queue up.
11
Kollmansberger, Cory Mason, Joe Piper, and Steve
12
Johnson.
13
Paul Ybarra, Bea
Those will be the next five.
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Good afternoon.
My name
14
is Tom Barrett.
15
Milwaukee, and I come with a very, very unique
16
perspective.
17
I'm the mayor of the City of
The City of Milwaukee was the original
18
suitor in the discussion about the sale of water, and
19
the reason we are the original suitor is we made the
20
most sense.
21
utility runs at a capacity of about 30 percent
22
because there's fewer breweries and bottleries and
23
canneries than there were before.
24
cheap.
25
be less expensive going through Milwaukee.
We've got an abundant system, our water
Our water is
It's the closest, and the capital cost would
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We have a history of working with our
2
neighbors.
3
the ones that sell water to New Berlin.
4
we here?
5
down to you.
6
Great Lakes Compact.
I believe very strongly in the
7
And I also believe that
8
economic growth and environmental sustainability are
9
not enemies, that they can go hand in hand.
10
Mayor Riley referenced New Berlin, we're
Why are we on the agenda?
You're the reason.
So why are
And it comes
I believe in the
And I was surprised when the negotiations
11
began and I was shown the map of the area.
12
reason I was surprised was I served in congress for
13
ten years, and was very sensitive in the 1990s to the
14
issues, the issues here in Waukesha, and was trying
15
to be helpful.
16
negotiations, but I was shown the surface supply
17
area.
18
was about the City of Waukesha.
19
larger than that."
20
And the
So I wanted to have these
And I said, "Wait a minute.
I thought this
This map is much
And they said, "Well, that's the water
21
services plan."
22
thought this was about communities, that the Compact
23
talks about a community."
24
Wisconsin we talk about water services plans."
25
said, "But the Compact doesn't talk about those."
I said, "Water services plan?
I
And they said, "Here in
And I
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And we got a letter from the DNR stating,
2
"Well, we tried to get the Compact to include
3
language for water supply service areas, but we
4
weren't successful."
5
We, the City of Milwaukee, has passed a resolution
6
that is still in effect that says that we can
7
negotiate over the sale of water to the current
8
service area.
9
willing to do that.
But they went ahead anyway.
I'm here today to say we are still
I believe that makes the most
10
sense for rate payers, to the environment, for our
11
utility, for everyone involved.
12
What we have is a clear difference between
13
state law and federal law.
14
federal law is going to trump the state law.
15
felt, even though we had a lot to gain by nature,
16
frankly, to sell the water, that I had to be
17
respectful of you, of the Great Lakes Compact, and
18
not be the first community to move forward and to
19
ignore what I considered a crucial provision.
20
And my read on this is
So I
So, again, I think there's a lot of people
21
here with good intentions, I think you have to decide
22
what's the right thing to do, and what we're simpling
23
asking is to modify this agreement so that it will
24
reflect what I believe is the intent of this act and
25
that is the service area.
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MS. ADAMS:
2
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Thank you.
3
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Well, thank you for the
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
4
opportunity to testify in support of Waukesha's
5
application to borrow and return Great Lakes water.
6
My name is Paul Ybarra, and I'm a current Waukesha
7
Water Utility Commissioner, and also represented the
8
residents of district five here in Waukesha as Common
9
Council president for seven years.
I was fortunate
10
enough to be voted as the Common Council president
11
for two of those seven years, and was the common
12
council president when this application was approved
13
by the Waukesha Common Council.
14
So there is a high probability that I have
15
invested more time understanding and exploring this
16
3,000-plus-page application than I did actually
17
earning my bachelor's degree at the University of
18
Wisconsin Whitewater.
19
As a former elected official, I know the
20
residents of Waukesha all share a strong desire to
21
have safe and reliable drinking water for our
22
families for now and into the future.
23
to make sure it comes from an environmentally
24
sustainable source.
25
We also want
A lot of people that walk -- a lot of
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people worry that Waukesha's borrowing and returning
2
of Lake Michigan water would somehow harm the Great
3
Lakes; that's just not the case.
4
using 1 millionth of 1 percent of Great Lakes water,
5
and then we will return that same amount back to the
6
lake.
7
Waukesha will be
It's like taking 1 teaspoon out of an
8
Olympic-size pool and then putting it back; there
9
will be no affect on the lake.
And while I'm very
10
passionate about this topic, and I have about 15
11
other points that I'd love to make, with three
12
minutes, I've learned that you have to be concise,
13
you have to be brief, and then you've got to be
14
seated.
15
down, I want to thank all of you, all the
16
representatives of the Great Lakes states and
17
provinces who have taken the time to travel here to
18
gain a better understanding of Waukesha's water needs
19
and how we meet the terms of the Compact.
20
So I'm going to do that, but before I sit
We're grateful for your effort in providing
21
objective review of our application and your
22
commitment to upholding the terms of the Great Lakes
23
Compact.
24
Waukesha.
25
lots of money in downtown historic Waukesha.
I hope that y'all enjoy your stay in
I would invite you to stop down and spend
Thank
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you.
2
MS. ADAMS:
3
MS. KOLLMANSBERGER:
Thank you for you're comments.
Good afternoon.
4
Ginger Kollmansberger, Regional Director for the
5
Milwaukee office of Senator Ron Johnson.
6
Thank you for bringing the Great Lakes
7
Regional Compact Council to Waukesha and for holding
8
this open public forum here today.
9
it, the Compact Council is seeking input from
As I understand
10
citizens and public officials here from each of the
11
Great Lakes states and that a decision on whether or
12
not to approve Waukesha's application to utilize Lake
13
Michigan as its primarily source of water is expected
14
in the spring.
15
Please accept this letter as my formal
16
public endorsement of the City's application.
17
argues the fact that Waukesha needs to find a new
18
source of fresh water.
19
be that source, providing for safe, affordable, and
20
maintainable water supply for Waukesha families for
21
generations to come.
22
Nobody
Lake Michigan can and should
Once complete, the daily water movement
23
into and out of the City would be tantamount to
24
borrowing.
25
will result in an equal amount of clean water being
Their post-usage treat and return plan
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efficiently sent back to Lake Michigan.
2
ecological integrity of the lake will not be harmed,
3
and it's overall water volume will not be impacted.
4
The
I respect the integrity of the process you
5
are currently engaged in, and I acknowledge the
6
seriousness of allowing any lake diversion into a
7
community outside the basin.
8
will not pass judgment or make rash determinations
9
before all the facts are known, and all of the
It is my hope this body
10
alternative options are understood, including those
11
offered by opponents of the application.
12
Currently residents of Flint, Michigan are
13
experiencing a glaring example of what happens when
14
officials don't properly vet the alternatives when
15
changing water sources and default to criteria based
16
on outside forces or simply underestimate the awesome
17
responsibility it is to provide safe water to their
18
community.
19
vetted their alternatives and the plan before is the
20
safest, smartest, and most cost effective option
21
available to them.
22
sound science and the decisions have been made
23
transparently and without political motive.
24
25
It's clear that Waukesha has properly
They have based their proposal on
Again, I respectively request to approve
the application before you, and allow Waukesha City
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leaders to continue this final infrastructure effort
2
in 2016.
Sincerely, Ron Johnson, United States
3
Senator.
Thank you.
4
MS. ADAMS:
5
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Thank you for the comments.
Good afternoon, my name
6
is State Representative Cory Mason.
7
Racine, Wisconsin, in the 66th Assembly District 1948
8
Michigan Boulevard, Racine, Wisconsin 53402.
9
I represent
I also chair the Great Lakes Legislative
10
Caucus, which is a bi-national coalition of state and
11
provincial legislators from across the eight states
12
and both provinces, and having been fortunate enough
13
to chair that organization, which has formally taken
14
a position against the proposed Waukesha diversion.
15
I want to thank all of you for being here
16
today.
17
in its entirety Waukesha's proposal here today for a
18
number of reasons that are vitally important.
19
and foremost of which, I don't need to tell all of
20
you, you're setting a precedent here.
21
determining whether or not the high standards that
22
are laid out in the Great Lakes Compact will be
23
adhered to or not.
24
25
I'm here today to ask the council to reject
First
You're
So this is important not only for Waukesha
and Southeastern Wisconsin, but I would submit for
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the rest of the Basin and the integrity of the entire
2
Compact itself.
3
So I would encourage you to look at this
4
proposal closely, and reject it.
5
feeling, our very strong feeling, that what the DNR
6
got is wrong, that Waukesha started with the outcome
7
that it desired, which is where it's going, as
8
opposed to asking the tough question of how it could
9
be treating the radium in our water without even
It is our strong
10
considering really anything other than Lake Michigan
11
water.
12
There's at least four reasons we're deeply
13
concerned about this proposal.
14
frankly, I think the tenant of the foundation of this
15
proposal is based on a house of sand.
16
there is no other way they could treat the radium but
17
for Great Lakes water I find highly suspect.
18
are neighboring communities that manage to treat
19
their radium, and we've heard all the reasons why
20
people think this proposal is preferable, but
21
certainly not why it's absolutely required, that it
22
meets the standard of no reasonable alternative.
23
would encourage you to look deeply into that.
The first of which,
The idea that
There
24
The conservation requirements, it would
25
seem to me that if you use six-and-a-half million
I
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gallons a day and you're coming forward with a
2
conservation-based proposal, you would be saying we
3
could use as much or less than we are now.
4
asking for almost double what they're using now, up
5
to 16 million gallons a day.
6
They're
For me, at a very local level, the Root
7
River runs through the heart of my district.
8
spent decades trying to improve this impaired river,
9
and the diligence done by the DNR was completely
We have
10
inadequate on determining the adverse impacts on my
11
communities and what it means for the people who live
12
in my district.
13
So I would urge you in the strongest
14
possible terms to do more analysis and come to a
15
conclusion that rejects this proposal in its
16
entirety.
17
masquerading as a trained water problem.
18
to say no.
This is an urban sprawl practice
I urge you
Thank you.
19
MS. ADAMS:
20
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Thank you for your comments.
Good afternoon.
My name
21
is Joe Piper, and I represent the fourth district on
22
the common council here on in the City of Waukesha.
23
I reside at 1011 West Lynne Drive here in the City.
24
25
Thank you for the opportunity to testify in
support of Waukesha's application to borrow and
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return Great Lakes water.
2
Common Council since 2006, and I am very proud of the
3
work that's done by the utility staff and this common
4
council that has culminated in our application.
5
like my colleagues on the council, have invested time
6
to understand the challenges we face, we have
7
examined all viable options, we have taken the time
8
to educate our neighbors through numerous meetings
9
held everywhere from City Hall to gymnasiums to many
I have served on the
10
living rooms, to arrive at the determination that
11
borrowing water from Lake Michigan is the best
12
long-term option for our city.
I,
13
As a member of the Board of Public Works, I
14
worked closely on our staff on a $72 million upgrade
15
to our clean water plant.
16
be a state of the art facility that will ensure that
17
we return the borrowed water in the same if not
18
better condition from which it arrived from the lake.
19
Once completed this will
As a representative of my neighbors and
20
chair of the finance committee, I hold a
21
responsibility to make sure that we get this right
22
the first time, and expenditure of funds on the
23
project is done right and ensure a long-term solution
24
to our drink water needs.
25
I appreciate the work that you are
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undertaking, and I know this is a decision that you
2
will not take lightly.
3
that we have reviewed all options and we are
4
confident that our application meets the terms of the
5
Compact.
In closing, I can ensure you
6
Thank you for visiting our city.
7
and I are proud to call Waukesha home, and on behalf
8
of my neighbors, all the best to you as you go about
9
your work.
10
MS. ADAMS:
My wife
11
And before the next speaker begins, I will queue up
12
the next group.
13
T-h-i-e-l-e; Joe Piatt; Kevin Lahner; and John Marek.
14
John Dickert; Terry Thiele,
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Thank you very much.
15
name is Steve Johnson.
16
the 10th district in the City since 2001.
17
My
I have been an alderman in
I would like to thank all representatives
18
from the Great Lakes states and the provinces of
19
Canada for attending this very important and historic
20
presentation of the City of Waukesha's application
21
for Great Lakes water.
22
As a long-time alderman, I have been
23
involved with this application from the beginning.
24
This has obviously been the most important issue
25
we've been involved with and have spent hundreds of
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hours on this issue.
2
future of the City of Waukesha.
3
every option available from the very beginning for a
4
solution for safe and sustainable water for the City
5
of Waukesha.
6
And it's all going for the
We have looked into
The Great Lakes are one of the world's most
7
valuable resources, and that is why an application
8
for diversion is such a hard process.
9
be.
10
And it should
The application for the diversion that
11
Waukesha has submitted has met every parameter and
12
every term that the Compact has set forth.
13
There will be a lot of benefits from
14
Waukesha getting Lake Michigan water.
15
the wells, the shallow aquifer, the aquifer, and the
16
Vernon Marsh to the south of the City, also the
17
return route of the Root River.
18
important and one that we're here for is the safety
19
and sustainability of the water for all citizens of
20
Waukesha.
21
Benefits being
But the most
Again, I would like to thank you, and I'm
22
sure you're enjoying your time in our city.
23
you.
24
MS. ADAMS:
25
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Thank
Good afternoon,
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everybody.
2
of Racine, Wisconsin, and I'm here to testify on this
3
diversion.
4
the best tasting water in America.
5
the greatest beaches in the nation, and it's one of
6
the top beaches of the world.
My name is John Dickert.
I'm the mayor
Racine is -- if you know, is the home of
And it's one of
7
We spend a lot of time, and we have been
8
spending a lot of time making sure our beaches are
9
clean and our water is clean and our Root River,
10
which is a national fishing tournament river -- it
11
actually is a national trout record, and it is clean.
12
We do that because Dr. Julie Kinzelman, one of the
13
brightest and best in the world, spends her time, now
14
that the beach is clean, working upriver to find out
15
how we can make sure that this river is as clean as
16
humanly possibly.
17
We do not want what the DNR will allow to
18
come down the stream.
19
fluoride, phosphorous, micro beads, you name it.
20
While that might be acceptable when it comes to
21
discharges, I will be frank with you, we don't want
22
it.
23
Additional pharmaceuticals,
And we don't want it because that not only
24
runs through the heartland of our city where all of
25
these activities are going on, but it empties out
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into the lakefront next to North Beach, which is no
2
ordinary beach.
3
this entire conversation, testing would be
4
(indiscernible) this, to see that, if there were any
5
problems with (indiscernible) on our river.
6
have all gone away.
7
ready (indiscernible) Saint Lawrence City Initiative,
8
which I was the chair of last year, to work with
9
Waukesha to do what we can, whether it's additional
We were promised in the beginning of
Those
I will tell you this, we are
10
testing, new streamlined opportunities for cleaning,
11
or whatever the case is, because we want to make sure
12
that they are successful.
13
But there is a bigger point that I think is
14
going to be inherent in this conversation.
15
comes from not only myself as a former chair of the
16
Great Lakes-Saint Lawrence cities' initiative, but
17
also from my colleagues from the United States and
18
Canada.
19
can't put it back together again.
And this
If you crack this egg of the Compact, you
20
Now, we've already heard from individuals
21
during the debates that, if this doesn't go there's
22
is going to be a lawsuit.
23
the national board, and the international board for
24
water.
25
sure, water is going to be our new gold, and,
I sit on the state board,
And if there's one thing that I know for
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therefore, our protection of it is imperative.
So if we're going to crack the egg of the
3
Company, we know as mayors that there are hundreds of
4
cities that want to tap into this.
5
is not up to you anymore, the decision then is up to
6
the courts, and that is what we fear the most.
7
The decision then
We stand ready to work with Waukesha and do
8
whatever we can to make this work out for everybody,
9
but we are very concerned and somewhat terrified of
10
cracking an egg in the Compact, because once you do,
11
you can't put it together again.
12
13
I want to thank you for your time and thank
everybody here for being part of this conversation.
14
MS. ADAMS:
15
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Good afternoon.
My name
16
is Terry Thiele.
17
Waukesha, I have been so since 2008.
18
1712 Stardust Drive in the City of Waukesha.
19
also on the Water Utility Commission; I have been so
20
for approximately five years.
21
I'm an alderman of the City of
My address is
I'm
There is one thing that I guess I would
22
like to address with this, integrity is a very
23
valuable commodity as well as water.
24
painstaking process to go through.
25
many meetings about this.
This has been a
There have been
I'm glad that Shaili had
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mentioned earlier the number of requests for feedback
2
from the water utility, to clarify points, for our
3
compact submission.
4
I remember sitting in those meetings and
5
asking myself, "Why do they need that information
6
again?
7
conversations with Dan Duchniak, the general manager
8
of the utility.
9
Why are we submitting this?"
I had many
Now in hindsight, how valuable was that
10
scrutiny to the application that we submitted?
11
talked about integrity.
12
on something that means nothing.
13
Marine Corps veteran.
14
as a police officer for all my adult life.
15
continue that service with the Common Council for the
16
City of Waukesha.
17
a valuable commodity, I would not put my name on
18
something that I thought was frivolous, that was an
19
abuse of our resources.
20
wrong.
21
right thing to do.
22
I
I'm not going to put my name
I'm a United States
I served several communities
Now I
Things like that, just as water is
And that was, just frankly,
This is has been scrutinized.
This is the
Our city needs this water.
Lastly, I'd like thank all of you for
23
coming today and listening to what's being said.
24
Certainly in our fine community and our wonderful
25
country of the United States, everybody has an
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opinion and the right to speak it respectfully.
2
3
MS. ADAMS:
4
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
5
Roberta Avenue, Waukesha, Wisconsin.
6
like to thank the representatives of the Conference
7
of Great Lakes Governors and Premiers for visiting
8
Waukesha to discuss the scientific and technical
9
merits of the Waukesha application directly with the
10
11
Joseph Piatt, 727 East
First off I'd
City.
My name is Joe Piatt.
I'm a resident of
12
the City, President of the Waukesha Water Utility
13
Commission, and an Associate Professor of Chemistry
14
and Environmental Science here at Carroll University.
15
I moved to Waukesha in 1998 and have closely watched
16
the development and approval of the Great Lakes
17
Compact, and, correspondingly, the development of the
18
Waukesha application for diversion and return of
19
Great Lakes water.
20
I speak today in support of the
21
application.
22
water source with return flow of the Root River is a
23
long-term and reliable solution to the water quality
24
and farming issues that Waukesha faces.
25
delivering potable water, I believe simpler is
My assessment is that the Lake Michigan
In terms of
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better.
2
easy solution.
3
option is totally accountable and predictable from
4
both the quantity and quality perspective for the
5
flow west of Waukesha and return east to the Root
6
River.
7
Simpler should not be misconstrued as the
Simpler means the Lake Michigan
A multiple-well groundwater system
8
accessing deep or shallow aquifers requiring multiple
9
above ground advanced treatment systems is a much
10
more complex system in terms of engineering and water
11
chemistry control.
12
the deep aquifer is not sustainable and increased
13
reliance on the surface aquifers would impact
14
wetlands and streams and are more susceptible to
15
contamination.
16
Not to mention continuous use of
The engineering simplicity of the Waukesha
17
application ensures a sustainable and accountable
18
system for many decades.
19
Lake Michigan option has very limited environmental
20
impacts, significantly less than an non-diversion
21
option.
22
less waste than the non-diversion options.
23
Even more importantly, the
It is more energy efficient and produces
This Lake Michigan solution is backed by
24
multiple scientific and technical studies, supported
25
by the regional water supply plan for Southeastern
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Wisconsin, and has now been thoroughly vetted by the
2
Wisconsin DNR.
3
The Waukesha application is a result of
4
(indiscernible) and the Great Lakes Compact, a
5
valuable management tool for scienced-based
6
decision-making.
7
As a commissioner, resident, and
8
environmentalist, I was proud to be a part of the
9
2012 community-wide process to revise and improve the
10
City's water conservation plan based on national best
11
practices and standards from finding blocks grids, to
12
strengthening ordinances, toilet rebates, and
13
industrial cluster incentives all played a role in
14
mitigating demand and educating the public about
15
appropriate water use in measurable and enforceable
16
ways.
17
The City of Waukesha will continue to look
18
for innovative and creative ways to invest dollars
19
and engage residents and businesses in water
20
conservation.
21
Finally, the Waukesha applications is a
22
testament to regional planning and cooperation.
23
planning has been driven by the requirements of the
24
Compact.
25
predictable, and sustainable water source for the
The
Lake Michigan is the only reasonable, safe,
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City of Waukesha.
2
of this proposal based on sound scientific and
3
planning principals.
4
MS. ADAMS:
5
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Thank you for your consideration
My name is Kevin Lahner.
6
I'm the City Administrator of the City of Waukesha.
7
And I'm here to support our application to borrow and
8
return water from Lake Michigan in accordance with
9
the Great Lakes Compact.
It is my strong belief that
10
the City's application should be approved for four
11
primary reasons:
12
sustainability, long-term planning, and scientific
13
validity.
14
Public health, environmental
The Lake Michigan option is the only option
15
which ensures a safe drinking water supply for our
16
residents now and into the future.
17
As you're all aware, the radium
18
contamination in our deep wells needs to be
19
addressed.
20
sustainable solution.
21
(indiscernible) by the recharge of our aquifer.
22
of the shallow wells over the long-term creates
23
issues with the salinity in the water supply.
24
Lake Michigan option is the safest option for
25
Waukesha families.
Unfortunately, treatment is not a
Our treatment solution ignores
Use
The
The Lake Michigan is the most
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environmentally sustainable solution.
2
Drawing water from Lake Michigan and
3
returning it after treatment at our state-of-the-art
4
treatment facility protects things like wetlands,
5
lakes, rivers, and streams that many of the other
6
options might harm.
7
Department of Natural Resources, our application can
8
be compared to taking a tablespoon of water out of an
9
Olympic-size swimming pool and putting it back a day
As indicated by the Wisconsin
10
later.
11
improves a critical supply area for Great Lakes
12
(indiscernible).
13
The return flow is safe and clean and
The Lake Michigan solution is the only
14
solution that fully fulfills the City's long-term
15
needs.
16
safe, more sustainable water supply for the future of
17
our community.
18
blended water options were all fully vetted by the
19
Department of Natural Resources, and they simply do
20
not meet our needs in a long-term planning
21
perspective.
22
All other alternatives would not provide a
Treatment, alternative supplies, and
Additionally, aggressive conservation is
23
not enough.
24
problem and a supply problem, not a use problem.
25
It is clear that we have a contamination
If forced to utilize other alternatives, I
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have grave fears that we will invest millions of
2
dollars on short-term fixes and band-aids rather than
3
a long-term solution.
4
Lastly, the Lake Michigan solution is fully
5
compliant with the Great Lakes Compact.
6
forward a (indiscernible) scientifically based
7
application.
8
years by the Department of Natural Resources.
9
great respect for the Department of Natural
We have put
It's been reviewed by more than five
I have
10
Resources.
11
retired from there after a long career, and I
12
understand how seriously they take their jobs as
13
environmental stewards.
14
My mother and stepfather just recently
The overwhelming evidence leads to only one
15
final conclusion, which is our application to borrow
16
and return Lake Michigan water meets the requirements
17
of the Great Lakes Compact.
18
works based on sound science, and I strongly urge you
19
to make this decision based upon the science.
20
21
Thank you very much for visiting our great
city.
I hope you enjoy your stay.
22
23
24
25
The Great Lakes Compact
MS. ADAMS:
Thank you very much for your
comments.
Before we get to the next speaker, I will
call the next group:
Stephen Scaffidi, Mike
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Sullivan, Larry Nelson, Steven Ponto, and Paul
2
Decker, and Paul Farrow.
3
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Thank you, Mr. Chairman,
4
and council members for the opportunity to speak.
5
name is John Marek.
6
third Waukesha, the Town of Waukesha.
7
My
I'm the town chairman for the
I would like to take a few minutes to set
8
the record straight with response to misleading
9
information about what this proposal means to the
10
Town of Waukesha and our residents.
11
election, I specifically ran on the platform that the
12
Town of Waukesha should be included in the water
13
supply service area and was elected as a result.
14
When I ran for
Shortly thereafter, before the town hall
15
meeting that was very quietly attended, about 300
16
town residents came out to that meeting.
17
lengthy discussion, the crowd was asked to stand if
18
they were in favor of the inclusion into the Waukesha
19
application water service area.
20
dozen people stood up.
21
people in the attendance agreed with being in the
22
water service area.
23
After a
About all but a
Roughly 97 percent of the
Inclusion in the Great Lakes diversion will
24
not mean an immediate explosion of (indiscernible)
25
development for the Town of Waukesha.
Rather, our
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current land use plan of low density, mostly 3- to
2
20-acre parcels, will continue, and those parcels
3
utilize shallow aquifer wells and on-site septic
4
systems.
5
and/or sewer services from the City of Waukesha.
6
Approximately 150 residents in the Town of Waukesha
7
currently receive water and/or sewer service from the
8
City.
9
all of the Town of Waukesha has been in the sewer
The town is not immune to obtaining water
That includes our very own town hall.
Nearly
10
service area for nearly thirty years, and residents
11
have connected to solve water quality issues.
12
The town hall is a primary example of this.
13
The town is not looking for water just to expand;
14
it's a public health issue.
15
simply sensible planning, just as it has been for
16
sewer services.
17
service areas (indiscernible).
18
Access to city water is
It only makes sense that the two
Waukesha's application states that there
19
are over 200 potential sources of contamination
20
within a mile radius of the existing shallow wells.
21
We already know there's contamination there.
22
availability of the centrally treated water supply
23
and sewer service is essentially to solve the water
24
quality problems in the Town of Waukesha.
25
The
A few comments about the vocal opposition
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that is stirring up the skeptic controversy.
2
suggestion of removing the Town of Waukesha from
3
service area is coming from a group of NGO's that do
4
not live in the Town of Waukesha, and their position
5
has always been anti-Waukesha, but it's not
6
representative of our community.
7
us in an attempt to get us to sign a letter of
8
opposition, which we refused.
9
The
They've contacted
In closing, the Town of Waukesha
10
unanimously supports inclusion into the City of
11
Waukesha service area, and the town board unanimously
12
supports the application for Great Lakes diversion
13
application, thank you.
14
MS. ADAMS:
15
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
My name is Steve
16
Scaffidi.
17
I'll keep my comments brief.
18
our Bender Park along the lake yesterday or the day
19
before.
20
I'm the mayor of the City of Oak Creek.
I understand you toured
So thanks for that visit.
We are the City that is the preferred
21
provider of the water that Waukesha hopes to get from
22
this agreement if it happens.
23
water utility recognized as such.
24
issue is about two things.
25
water for the residents in Waukesha and the
We have a first class
And for me, this
One is providing clean
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surrounding area; but, two, it's also about regional
2
cooperation.
3
lakes understand -- they should understand how
4
important it is for all of our communities around the
5
lakes, and our friends from Canada, to have vibrant
6
cities.
7
I think the states that surround the
This issue is important, not only for
8
Waukesha, but for all of us.
9
worked 25 years in the private sector before I ever
I'm a process guy.
I
10
became a mayor.
11
process, and I believe the folks in Waukesha, both
12
the mayor Shawn Riley, utility director Dan Duchniak,
13
and all the folks that have worked on this, went
14
through the steps the way they should have gone
15
through them.
16
I understand the importance of the
They've gone every step of the way and done
17
what they were told to do in an expeditious manner,
18
they followed the rules, and now they finally are
19
looking for this final piece so that they may move
20
forward as a city.
21
came forward along time ago to say we would provide
22
that water.
23
communities, states, countries understand the
24
importance of doing these regionally, and I think
25
this is an example of that, and I encourage you for
We support their efforts.
We
As a symbol of what can happen when
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supporting their application.
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speak today.
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MS. ADAMS:
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AUDIENCE MEMBER:
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Thanks for letting me
Thanks for your comment.
Good afternoon.
My name
5
is Mike Sullivan.
6
Creek water and sewer utility, and I'm thankful for
7
the opportunity to provide input.
8
really appreciate it.
9
Waukesha application for the diversion for Great
I'm the general manager of the Oak
Like I said, I
We want to support the
10
Lakes water.
11
using and returning Lake Michigan water is Waukesha's
12
only reasonable alternative.
13
We support the DNR's conclusion that
Waukesha received letters of interest to
14
sell water from the City of Milwaukee and the City of
15
Racine and the City of Oak Creek.
16
Oak Creek ultimately led to the letter of intent
17
between the two communities.
18
regional cooperation.
19
providing -- Oak Creek would be provided with
20
additional revenues to help operate our utility.
21
rates for our existing customers could drop as low as
22
25 percent.
23
provided a long-term supply of safe, reliable, and
24
award-winning drinking water.
25
Negotiating with
It is a good example of
Oak Creek would be
Our
Waukesha, on the other hand, would be
As a user of water from Lake Michigan, we
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would not support a proposal that does not protect
2
the Great Lakes either on the supply side or on the
3
return side.
4
The return water and quality standards are
5
actually more strict than the discharge standards for
6
existing wastewater treatment plants discharging
7
directly to Lake Michigan today.
8
1000 feet from the Root River in the City of Oak
9
Creek, and I'm very concerned about what happens to
I live less than
10
that river and the ecosystems around it the water
11
quality surrounding it.
12
Oak Creek stands willing to provide award-winning
13
drinking water to the Waukesha service area and
14
supports the application and the DNR's conclusions.
15
Thank you.
I can tell you the City of
16
MS. ADAMS:
17
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Hello, my name is Larry
18
Nelson, I live at 201 North Prairie Avenue, in
19
Waukesha.
20
City of Waukesha for the sixth district.
21
to 2010, I was the mayor of Waukesha, and from 2012
22
to the present, I am a Waukesha County Supervisor for
23
district 18.
24
today, and I wore a red shirt because I think it's a
25
red letter day in both the history of Waukesha as
From 2000 to 2006 I was an alderman in the
From 2006
So I've only been waiting 16 years for
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well as the history of the Great Lakes Compact.
2
I would like to share a little history.
3
And
When I became mayor of Waukesha in 2006, we
4
already had spent years looking at every possible
5
alternative, and believe me, if we could do it
6
cheaper, without the pipeline, without Great Lakes
7
water, we would have been happy to do it, but that
8
was not the case.
9
EPA to get an extension in 2006 to 2018.
We negotiated with the DNR and the
And at the
10
time, we thought 12 years, that's long time away, but
11
it's coming up real quick.
12
of $45,000 because we were already out of compliance.
13
And we also paid a fine
Then I want to take you back to 2008.
In
14
Wisconsin we had divided legislature, and myself and
15
the City of Waukesha lobbied both democrats and
16
republicans to pass the Compact, but for also to
17
provide a provision that allows a community like
18
Waukesha to get Great Lakes water.
19
We were successful, and I think it's kind
20
of a sad commentary that in the fall of 2008,
21
President Bush was for the Compact, Senators McCain
22
and Obama who were running for president agreed they
23
were in favor of the Compact.
24
bipartisan vote in the congress that it got almost no
25
media coverage even though it's got to be one of the
It got such a huge
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most important pieces of environmental legislation
2
ever.
3
to ask you to tell your governors to vote yes,
4
because it will show the Great Lakes Compact works.
5
99 percent of communities in the United States will
6
not be able to get Great Lakes water, but other
7
communities will have to follow this role model
8
application.
9
Prairie Home Cemetery to see Les Paul's grave, the
10
And that's frustrating to me because I'm going
And besides dining in Waukesha, visit
only one with the guitar on the headstone.
11
Thank you for coming.
12
MS. ADAMS:
13
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Good afternoon.
My name
14
is Steven Ponto.
15
Brookfield.
16
in support of the City of Waukesha's application for
17
Great Lakes water.
18
aware of the problems which Waukesha has been having
19
for some time.
20
with Waukesha's mayor and others that Waukesha has
21
done a thorough job of assessing their situation,
22
evaluating alternatives, and pursuing the best
23
solution in a very responsible manner.
24
25
I'm mayor of the City of
I appreciate the opportunity to appear
As a nearby municipality, I'm
I know from discussing the matter
I commend Mayor Shawn Riley, Waukesha water
utility general manager Dan Duchniak, and all the
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others involved in this effort.
2
very thorough application, supported by an
3
environmental impact statement based upon an
4
extensive 3,000-page analysis.
5
includes an examination of multiple alternatives and
6
utilizes regional studies of drinking water issues.
7
It outlines Waukesha's aggressive water conservation
8
program, and very responsibly and appropriately
9
provides for the return of all of the water borrowed.
10
They have prepared a
The application
The Wisconsin Department of Natural
11
Resources did a five-year review of this application
12
and subsequent memoranda and concluded that borrowing
13
and returning Lake Michigan water was Waukesha's only
14
reasonable water supply alternative.
15
application sets a high bar for the applications of
16
any other similarly situated communities in the
17
future.
18
This
Extraneous issues and misleading
19
information has been raised by some opponents,
20
however, what stands out to me, is the importance of
21
relying on expert evaluation and good planning.
22
safe water supply is, of course, vital to
23
communities, as the daily stories in the news about
24
problems in Flint, Michigan and other municipalities
25
make clear.
A
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Waukesha is pursuing the only reasonable
2
alternative which protects both public health and the
3
environment for the long-term.
4
application complies with all the Compact
5
requirements, and approving this application will
6
reaffirm the Compact and underscore its legitimacy.
7
I urge the approval of Waukesha's application.
8
Thank you.
9
MS. ADAMS:
10
Waukesha's
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Good afternoon.
My name
11
is Paul Decker.
12
Board of Supervisors which represents the entire
13
county.
14
we work in Waukesha County, if you wouldn't mind I
15
would like to bring up my colleague, the county
16
executive as well and we worked together on this,
17
because that's the way we work in Waukesha County.
18
19
20
I am chairman of the Waukesha County
I represent 25 supervisors.
MS. ADAMS:
And in the way
Is your intention that you're
each going to take three minutes?
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
No, ma'am.
We're going
21
to actually combine our testimony so we're within the
22
3-minute limit.
23
MS. ADAMS:
24
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
25
Waukesha county.
Beautiful.
Thank you.
We want to welcome you to
We want to thank you for listening
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to this important testimony as we're moving forward.
2
We are here appearing before you to stress our strong
3
support for the City of Waukesha's application to
4
divert Lake Michigan water and return it to the Great
5
Lakes Water Compact, ensuring the long-term solution
6
of Waukesha's water needs.
7
In December of 2010, the Southeastern
8
Wisconsin Regional Planning Commission completed the
9
preparation of the Regional Water Supply Plan for
10
Southeastern Wisconsin, to create a sustainable water
11
supply.
12
committee of water plant experts from state and
13
federal agencies, academic and environmental
14
communities, concerned businesses, and industries
15
within the local and local governance
16
(indiscernible).
17
The plan (indiscernible) by an advisory
This advisory committee unanimously
18
approved the plan.
19
the detailed research and adopted this water as a
20
refinement to our comprehensive development plan.
21
Waukesha County contributed to
The regional water supply plan as it
22
relates to Waukesha County contains a series of key
23
elements.
24
heard already in testimony.
25
We're going to go over a couple you've
The key recommendation of the water supply
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plan supported by Waukesha County is a creation of a
2
sustainable water supply system, which includes City
3
of Waukesha's water utilities conversion from its
4
current source to Lake Michigan with the provision of
5
a return flowback to the lake.
6
the City allows for many of the other existing water
7
utilities that are straddling the county to remain on
8
groundwater supply as a sustainable water source.
9
This conversion by
The second recommendation states the county
10
should continue to plan low density development in
11
non-sewer service areas, particularly in the western
12
half of the County, to preserve infiltration of
13
rainfall and snow melt for regional groundwater
14
recharge.
15
adopted comprehensive development plan we have in the
16
County.
17
This recommendation is a foundation of the
Waukesha County, in cooperation with the
18
City of Waukesha, then formed the Waukesha County
19
Water Conservation Coalition to prepare and implement
20
a water conservation public education strategy, and
21
successfully implemented the water conservation
22
program recommended in the Regional Water Supply
23
Plan.
24
regional water supply plan as a commitment to
25
implement a sustainable water supply system in
The Waukesha County board, then adopted the
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Southeastern Wisconsin.
2
of Waukesha to Lake Michigan source of water and the
3
return flow was grounded in years of scientific
4
study.
5
your governors to support this application.
6
you very much.
The conversion by the City
So we urge your support and the support of
7
MS. ADAMS:
Thank
8
So we have the next five speakers and in this order:
9
Todd Ames, Marc Smith, Elizabeth Moran, Elizabeth
10
Wheeler, Karen Hobbs.
11
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
12
Ames.
13
Wisconsin.
14
Good afternoon.
I'm Todd
I live at 2538 Commonwealth Avenue in Madison,
I'm here today just testifying on my
15
behalf, but I do bring with me some extensive
16
background of the Compact as having served as one of
17
the leading negotiators for it.
18
Wisconsin DNR as a water diversion administrator.
19
I was working for
I've got some more extensive written
20
comments that I will be submitting to you all, but I
21
wanted to zero in on one particular concept in my
22
oral comments.
23
the extended sewer service area and concerns relative
24
to that, the only reason Waukesha is here, the only
25
reason they get to ask for an exception from the ban
And that is that this whole issue of
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on diversions is because they do not have potable
2
drinking water in their existing water supply area.
3
That's the question that should be looked
4
at under the Compact terms, and it's the question
5
that should be looked at in their application.
6
Whatever the interpretation of the Wisconsin statute,
7
which I think is incorrect, that's the question that
8
we're trying to answer.
9
trying to fix here.
That's the problem we're
So the application has to look
10
at what it would take to get potable compliant water
11
to the existing customers that are not getting
12
compliant water.
13
Because of the way the application is put
14
together and the sewer survey interpretation, you
15
never get to that question.
16
Ms. Pfeiffer attempted to at least begin to address
17
that question in her slide that she providing today,
18
but that needs to be in the application and looked
19
at.
20
I appreciate that
One of the reasons you clearly can look at
21
it that way, and look at that limited scope, the
22
obvious example is New Berlin.
23
approved as a straddling community that could get
24
water under the Great Lakes Compact in May of 2009,
25
six months after Wisconsin statute was passed.
New Berlin was
New
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Berlin application not only just addressed their
2
existing water supply area, it specified that they
3
would only provide this Lake Michigan water to the
4
central portion of the City.
5
number, specified the number of new dwellings that
6
can get that water.
7
application doesn't come fly with the Compact or the
8
Waukesha application doesn't.
9
ways.
10
They, in fact, by
So either the New Berlin
You can't have it both
So I think we've got a -- we need to go
11
back.
12
takes to provide compliant water to the existing
13
customers, and then make a determination/decision
14
based on that.
15
We need to look at that question, what it
Thank you very much for your time and
16
opportunity to testify.
17
the decision, this is -- all of this is an effort
18
that we've gone through, I think is proof that the
19
Compact works.
I will say that, whatever
20
MS. ADAMS:
21
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Good afternoon, I'm Marc
22
Smith I'm the policy director with Great Lakes office
23
of National Water Federation.
24
for hosting this meeting and allowing the public and
25
the Great Lakes -Gramann Reporting, Ltd.
I want to thank you
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Can we get your address,
please.
3
4
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AUDIENCE MEMBER:
My address.
Sure.
412
West (indiscernible), Ann Arbor, Michigan.
5
The Great Lakes are a value to all of us.
6
They provide cultural and economic identity.
7
are part of our lives and help define who we are as a
8
region, and thus they must be protected.
9
Lakes Compact was designed and (indiscernible) to do
10
11
just that:
They
The Great
Protect our Great Lakes.
And the heart and the soul of the Great
12
Lakes Compact is the ban on diversions.
13
the Compact's exception standard can a community
14
apply for a diversion.
15
community applying for a diversion must demonstrate a
16
need for water and demonstrate that there is no
17
reasonable alternative to obtain water.
18
in my opinion, diversions under the Compact are a
19
last resort.
20
Only under
The Compact says that a
In essence,
As this is the first diversion application
21
since the Compact passed in 2008.
22
writing history.
23
represents a proving ground for the Compact,
24
establishing it's effectiveness and serving as a
25
precedent for subsequent diversion applications.
Today we are
This process and application
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Thus, we have to get this right.
2
This is not about saying (indiscernible) to
3
a town, rather it's about following the Compact's
4
statements that you all, the states and provinces
5
agreed to.
6
number one, does not justify why Waukesha needs so
7
much more water than it is currently using, 6 million
8
gallons on average to the maximum capacity and the
9
request at 16.
We're concerned that this application,
That is quite a jump and is not
10
consistent with the demand forecast and historic
11
trends that show water usage in the region is on the
12
decline.
13
Number two, the application does not
14
consider all reasonable terms to provide water to its
15
residents.
16
obvious alternative, if not reasonable.
17
reasonable, because almost 40 other towns in
18
southeastern Wisconsin, (indiscernible) across the
19
country, have chosen to do this as a way to provide
20
water to their communities.
21
unique that it can't do the same?
22
For example, treating.
That seems the
Obvious and
What makes Waukesha so
Number three, this will divert water
23
(indiscernible) to communities that do not need it,
24
nor do they have plans to hook up now or in the
25
future.
Diverting Great Lakes water to towns that
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have not illustrated a need, this is clearly not
2
consistent with the exception standard in the
3
Compact.
4
And number four, the return flow plan to
5
discharge treated water to Racine, a community that,
6
as you heard earlier does not want this, nor had any
7
say in this decision.
8
9
These concerns raise many questions about
this application and (indiscernible) exception
10
standards in the Compact.
11
and many in this room at this table have spent years,
12
spent many long hours in windowless conference
13
debating these standards.
14
those standards are now met and applied to this
15
diversion proposal.
16
The states and provinces
Now is the time to ensure
Given these concerns, we feel this
17
application falls well short of the Compact
18
requirements, and we respectfully request that the
19
Compact Council deny this application.
20
MS. ADAMS:
21
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Thank you.
My name is Elizabeth
22
Wheeler.
23
Wisconsin.
I'm a senior staff attorney with Clean
24
Wisconsin.
Our mission is to protect and preserve
25
Wisconsin's clean air while maintaining our natural
6004 Ridgewood Avenue, Menomonie,
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heritage.
2
today on behalf of over 40,000 members and supporters
3
statewide.
4
implementation coalition and I believe other members
5
of that coalition today have comments.
6
Thank you for the opportunity to appear
We are also a member of the Compact
A historic draught in California, failing
7
infrastructure in Michigan, and excess runoff
8
pollution in Ohio have left too many Americans
9
without clean, safe, and reliable drinking water.
10
The case is no different in Wisconsin where
11
groundwater contamination in its private drinking
12
water supply (indiscernible) county and decades of
13
unsustainable resource management have drawn down the
14
aquifer underneath Waukesha.
15
However, the Great Lakes cannot solve all
16
of these problems.
17
solved with local and sustainable solutions for sound
18
resource management means that we have enough to meet
19
our needs without piping in water from alternate
20
basins.
21
resolve this drinking water contamination with a
22
local solution.
23
conservation, it can treat for radium as 40 other
24
communities in Wisconsin have done, and it can build
25
local infrastructure that will supply its reasonable
These problems need to and can be
Let there be no mistake, Waukesha can
It can reduce consumption through
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needs for the foreseeable future.
The preservation of the Great Lakes and
3
Great Lakes Compact turns on the question you will
4
decide in the context of Waukesha's application.
5
a community define itself so broadly so as to
6
encompass other communities for the purpose of
7
obtaining Great Lakes water in the Compact?
8
answer is, quite simply, no.
Can
The
9
Waukesha's application (indiscernible)
10
requests from four other communities surrounding
11
Waukesha to receive Great Lakes water, even though
12
they do not show the need or (indiscernible)
13
requirements for the Compact.
14
Wisconsin justifies this by completing the
15
phrase work (indiscernible) in the Compact with the
16
concept of a water supply service area plan found
17
only in Wisconsin law.
18
is improper because Wisconsin law states that only a
19
city, town, or village can quality for a diversion of
20
Great Lakes water, and federal law does not recognize
21
the water supply service area plan as the equivalent
22
of these political subdivisions.
23
However, this justification
With or without the inclusion of these
24
additional communities, Milwaukee's application is
25
unapprovable under the Compact.
With them, the
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application illegally includes communities that do
2
not meet the requirements of the Compact, and without
3
them, Waukesha does not need the diversion.
4
The decision that's currently before you
5
will have unmatched precedential effects as
6
communities across the eight-state Great Lakes region
7
are watching these deliberations to determine whether
8
their community might qualify next for access to the
9
world's largest fresh water resource.
The
10
deliberations must be thorough.
11
scrutinize the record with the intent and legal
12
requirements of the Compact firmly in mind and the
13
record of decision in this proceeding shows that
14
Waukesha is not (indiscernible).
15
urge you to deny the request.
You must thoroughly
We respectfully
Thank you.
16
MS. ADAMS:
17
Before you begin, let me queue up the next
18
group.
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Strazzinski, Karen (indiscernible), Jodi Habush
20
Sinykin.
21
Anthony Herrmann, Cheryl Nenn, Dennis
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Thank you.
My name is
22
Karen Hobbs.
23
Chicago, Illinois.
24
policy for the midwest program of the Natural
25
Resources Defense Council or NRDC.
I live at 2428 North Francisco Avenue,
I'm the deputy director for
NRDC is an
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international non-profit organization.
2
than 2.4 million members and activists and more than
3
2,000 -- or 200,000 of those members and activists
4
live here in the Great Lakes Basin.
5
With more
I'd like to begin by responding to a point
6
that Shaili Pfeiffer made earlier that a water
7
conservation plan should be ongoing.
8
completely agree with that.
9
should change over time, it should learn, it should
And I would
A good conservation plan
10
adapt.
11
has done.
12
measures -- shower heads and prerinse spray valve
13
replacements are just two examples -- and simply not
14
implementing them despite having the resources to do
15
so.
16
But I would argue that's not what Waukesha
They have identified cost effective
The measures that have had the greatest
17
success rate have been mandatory measures that were
18
introduced in 2006 and 2007.
19
measures have been introduced since that time,
20
despite the clear evidence to their effectiveness.
21
Instead Waukesha has largely relied on voluntary
22
measures and education.
23
(indiscernible) to be sure, they're not signs of a
24
robust and dynamic plan.
25
But no mandatory
And while both of those are
Waukesha's conservation goal represents
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roughly one quarter of 1 percent in additional annual
2
water savings for one year.
3
savings are insubstantial and they fail to
4
incorporate the reality of the local and national
5
declining water use trends.
6
These presumptive
Since 1999, Waukesha has seen a general
7
decline in water use, which is consistent with the
8
national trends.
9
the America Water Works Association reported a
A recent study in the journal of
10
significant nationwide decline in residential water
11
use over the last 30 years.
12
solution of water efficient new appliances and
13
fixtures, as a predominant factor explaining this
14
decrease.
15
years if not decades to come.
16
The study identified the
And this trend is likely to continue for
Waukesha's conservation rules also
17
significantly underestimate potential savings when
18
compared to other cities and towns.
19
looked at the water conservation efforts of 17 water
20
suppliers ranging in size from small to very large.
21
These communities not only reduce water consumption
22
14 to 30 percent on average, but also reduced the
23
costs to the residents and to the businesses.
24
25
Just one example:
The US EPA
The Massachusetts Water
Resources Authority, through conservation measures
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alone, was able to defer a water supply expansion
2
project and reduce the capacity of a treatment plant.
3
The results in total savings range from 1.39 million
4
to 1.91 million per million gallons of water pumped
5
and treated per day.
6
Waukesha's application fails to show that
7
either the current or projected for itself and the
8
surrounding communities include the conservation
9
measurements required by the Compact and Wisconsin
10
law.
11
Waukesha's 24 water conservation plan fails
12
to include preventative measures to reduce demand, to
13
incorporate (indiscernible) trends in its
14
conservation goals, is too reliant on volunteer and
15
educational measures, and has a minimal
16
(indiscernible) program goal.
17
In short, I would encourage you to work
18
with your governors to veto this application.
19
you.
20
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Thank
My name is Anthony
21
Herrmann, 3430 Michigan Boulevard, Racine, Wisconsin.
22
I'm an M.D.
23
Safety and Environmental Affairs for Johnson &
24
Johnson Corporation Worldwide.
25
every continent in every location and population in
I have been the Vice President of Health
We have operations in
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the world.
2
In 1987, when we took on the issue of the
3
environment, the principle of all the mothers who
4
walked down the aisle and shopped at drugstores and
5
grocery stores around the world, what would their of
6
expectation be of Johnson & Johnson in terms of
7
environmental criteria?
8
was best available technology.
9
important consideration, because those of you who are
And we chose one.
And that
I think that's a very
10
here today did not hear what I heard yesterday; that
11
the Compact does not have a definition of what is a
12
reasonable alternate source.
13
Because if you go to alternate source and they cost,
14
your basic principle.
15
a door, and all of the unattended consequences of
16
making a cost decision rather than best available
17
technology gets you into a lot of trouble.
18
Very important words.
Then all of a sudden you open
I want to concur with our mayor and our
19
representative on the Great Lakes Council,
20
Representative Mason, that we should ask you to
21
object to this application.
22
take a look in big terms at Russia, the Aral Sea, the
23
second biggest fresh water source of water in the
24
world.
25
bed with potato farming that had no program for
All you have to do is
In forty years, was taken down to a dry lake
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recycling, which you've heard from the gentleman who
2
runs the water authority, that that has been set
3
aside.
4
You just have to really come to grips with
5
the issue of what you consider to be the basic
6
definitions.
7
Wisconsin is -- means a water supply alternative that
8
is similar in cost to, but that does not exist as per
9
the questions of all the other Compact members
The definition of the State of
10
yesterday.
11
think I would recommend you reject Wisconsin's
12
definition, and I stand with an objection to the
13
approval.
For the other members of the Compact, I
14
MS. ADAMS:
15
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Hi.
My name is Cheryl
16
Nenn, and I live at 1845 North Farwell, Milwaukee,
17
Wisconsin.
18
Riverkeeper, and we're also a member of the Wisconsin
19
Compact Implementation Coalition.
20
opportunity to comment on this precedent-setting
21
diversion, and thank you for the opportunity.
22
I'm here today on behalf of Milwaukee
We appreciate the
The Great Lakes Compact was enacted in
23
2008, as we all know, (indiscernible) Great Lakes
24
water in the rivers.
25
for water diversion, with the intent that Great Lakes
There are limited exceptions
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water is to be used only if there is no reasonable
2
water alternative, which I also contend is -- you
3
know, the last resort.
4
concerned with several areas surrounding the
5
application, I want to talk today mostly about return
6
flow concerns.
While Riverkeepers is
7
So the Great Lakes Compact requires, should
8
you grant an exception to the ban on diversions, that
9
Waukesha has to return all the water it draws to the
10
watershed, less an allowance for consumptive use, but
11
that it treats all surface water and groundwater to
12
applicable water quality standards and that protects
13
and sustains that physical, chemical, and biological
14
integrity of the receiving water that being
15
discharged too.
16
Although Waukesha will return almost all
17
the water that it diverts back to the lake, that
18
tablespoon everybody thinks sounds cool when we're
19
talking about it, it still imposes significant
20
environmental impacts to the Root River.
21
own EIS concludes that pollutants in the treated
22
release water will negatively impact the chemical and
23
biological integrity of the Root River.
24
technical review of the EIS are largely based on
25
(indiscernible), recommended approaches, and ranges
The DNR's
The
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of permit limits for certain pollutants.
2
Without going through the permitting
3
process and knowing (indiscernible), DNR cannot
4
reasonably evaluate right now the environmental
5
impact of this return flow to the Root River, nor can
6
it determine whether this proposal meets the Compact.
7
We know that Waukesha's working on several plans to
8
try to meets its existing standards.
9
having problems maintaining phosphorus, chloride, and
It is currently
10
temperature at the existing plant, but it is left to
11
the imagination how they're going to meet the more
12
stringent standards for the Root River which is
13
impaired.
14
The City of Waukesha has already called
15
into question whether they would be considered a new
16
discharger to the Root River, and DNR hasn't even
17
addressed this issue.
18
the draft (indiscernible) limits as well as
19
requirements laid out in the EIS and technical review
20
require that return flow must be (indiscernible)
21
Clean Water Act.
22
that this is a new discharge to an impaired waterway.
This is important as many of
And that's all premised on the fact
23
As a result, Waukesha must meet the permit
24
limits on day one of the discharge, but it's unclear
25
whether this is even possible.
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Because the Root River is already
2
impaired from phosphorus, legally there is supposed
3
to be no new or increased discharges.
4
it's also already impaired for sediment.
5
though there are limits that were provided for summer
6
and winter months, it's unclear whether those limits
7
are even protective of aquatic life.
8
concerned that during overflow periods this will be
9
an (indiscernible) stream and it could pose a serious
10
Similarly,
And even
We're very
risk for recreational use and public health.
11
MS. ADAMS:
12
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Your time is up.
Thank you.
In conclusion
13
we would just ask that you reject this proposal.
14
Thank you.
15
MS. ADAMS:
16
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Good afternoon, my name
17
is Karen (indiscernible).
18
for the American Civil Liberties of Wisconsin.
19
American Civil Liberties Union, Wisconsin Foundation,
20
207 East Buffalo, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and we are
21
here to object to the diversion as a matter of racial
22
and environmental justice.
23
I am senior staff attorney
You may not be aware from the limited tour
24
you've taken, that this region, the Milwaukee metro
25
region, has by far the worst racial segregation in
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the United States for African Americans, by far the
2
lowest African American suburbanization in the
3
country, and it is among the worst for the Latinos.
4
Despite claims that the City of Waukesha is
5
diverse, it is 86 percent white non-Hispanic as of
6
the 2010 census.
7
seeking to include in their expanded service area are
8
something like 95 percent or more white.
9
And the communities that they are
Meanwhile, Milwaukee County which borders
10
this, is about 54 percent white non-Hispanic.
11
context here, and despite claims of regional
12
cooperation, you cannot get from the City of Waukesha
13
to the (indiscernible) or more importantly those
14
persons cannot directly get from their communities to
15
jobs out here.
16
City of Waukesha also sought to increase the
17
percentage of single family housing and reduce the
18
percentage of multi-family housing that is being
19
developed here.
20
That's
And in its comprehensive plan, the
So I think that's important.
This is also not (indiscernible).
It is
21
one thing if they were talking about trying to
22
provide safe water for their own people.
23
what this is about.
24
of a service area, and a vast expansion of water
25
usage.
That's not
This is about the vast expansion
It's an effort to increase residential
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population.
2
use in the City and wipe most of the remaining
3
farmland.
4
residents as it has in the past, as well as to
5
downstream residents and to the (indiscernible) City
6
of Racine on the Root River.
They are planning to double industrial
7
This will come at a cost to Milwaukee
You may hear claims that a socioeconomic
8
impact study shows no racial impact, but the
9
professor in charge of that study -- and written
10
materials will be provided you -- made it clear that
11
that conclusion was reached because they were told by
12
planners that Waukesha had the ability to grow as it
13
wanted with or without a Lake Michigan diversion.
14
that is true, then there is -- the application
15
clearly does not comply with the Compact and not must
16
be denied.
17
If
And if Waukesha can't just expand and
18
sprawl as it wants without the diversion, then it
19
just reaffirms our concerns about racial and economic
20
injustice, and we urge that the application also be
21
denied.
22
MS. ADAMS:
23
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Good afternoon.
My name
24
is Dennis Strazzinski.
25
1845 North Farwell Avenue in the City of Milwaukee.
My law office is located at
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Zip code 53202.
With the previous speaker, Karen
3
(indiscernible) from the ACLU, I have prepared and
4
submitted comments, very extensive written comments
5
in response to the draft EIS on behalf of a number of
6
organizations:
7
Allied for Hope; the Sierra Club Great Waters Group,
8
John Muir chapter; and the Milwaukee branch of the
9
NAACP, as well as (indiscernible) and myself.
10
Milwaukee Inner City Congregations
Those comments address in great detail,
11
very thoroughly documented, the racial and
12
socioeconomic concerns and issues and problems with
13
this application.
14
written comments along with short summary, written
15
comments to this body today.
16
17
18
We are submitting a copy of those
We urge you to carefully consider.
I will
make only a few oral points here.
Our previous comments demonstrated the
19
purported need of Waukesha for Lake Michigan water is
20
driven, not by a claimed health crisis but by the
21
City's plans for unrestrained growth.
22
some of that from Ms. (indiscernible) just now.
23
is not an application by a community for water to
24
serve its reasonable needs.
25
community for water to serve five communities, three
You've heard
This
It's an application by a
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of which don't appear to have any kind of need, and
2
only one community, Waukesha itself, which is doing
3
any conservation.
4
That doesn't sound like a Compact.
We agree with the Tom Barrett, Tom Ames,
5
and Elizabeth Wheeler regarding the Compact's
6
definition of community and what an application is
7
designed or ought to be designed to serve.
8
a glaring problem here.
It's just
9
We agree with the comments of Corey Mason
10
and Racine Mayor Dickert from another older diverse
11
industrial city on the lake regarding the adverse
12
impacts of this proposal on that community.
13
has a vastly water expanded service area and vastly
14
increased water draw and increase will simply
15
facilitate greater industrial, residential
16
development leading to added job (indiscernible)
17
degradation and residential white flight out of
18
Milwaukee.
19
Waukesha
I will simply note that Waukesha's current
20
per capita daily water use is already extremely high.
21
And now they want to use 50 percent more daily than
22
they're using.
23
appreciate the consideration.
Thank you for your attention and
24
MS. ADAMS:
25
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Good afternoon.
I'm Jodi
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Habush Sinykin and I'm an attorney with Midwest
2
Environmental Advocates, and a long-standing member
3
of the Compact Communication Coalition.
4
with other coalition members, I've been closely
5
tracking the Great Lakes Compact for over ten years,
6
from the Compact's pre-enactment days of government
7
workers and legislative study committees on
8
Waukesha's numerous application iterations and state
9
review.
10
Together
Today is a momentous day in its own right
11
as this hearing marks the first regional test of the
12
Compact's ban on diversions, a first of its kind
13
review that will undeniably determine the legacy of
14
the Great Lakes Compact and the future of our
15
region's most important natural resource.
16
to call your attention to critical shortfalls within
17
Waukesha's application, that if not remedied, will
18
undermine more provisions of the Compact.
19
I'm here
The most glaring shortcoming of Waukesha's
20
diversion application is one I suspect you may have
21
already identified as the Achilles heel of the
22
application.
23
expanded water supply service area as the predicate
24
for both the water demand estimates and water supply
25
alternatives determination.
That is Waukesha's reliance on an
By nearly doubling the
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size of the service area, Waukesha has come up with
2
elevated future water demands and used these inflated
3
estimates to inform DNR's modeling.
4
But legally speaking, Waukesha's reliance
5
on the expanded service area has created a shaky
6
house of cards that places Waukesha's entire
7
diversion application in jeopardy.
8
the households in portions of neighboring communities
9
making up the expanded service area do not and cannot
This is because
10
demonstrate compliance with at least two key Compact
11
criteria.
12
One, there has been no demonstration of
13
inadequate supplies of potable water throughout the
14
expanded area.
15
of water conservation accomplished.
16
And, two, there has been no showing
Once more, it is curious that Waukesha has
17
refused to even consider basing its future projects
18
on the City of Waukesha's current water supply
19
service area, a service area which independent
20
scientists and engineer experts alike, if concluded,
21
can supply Waukesha with a viable, long-term supply
22
for its residents with no need for any diversion.
23
Instead, Waukesha's continues to insist
24
that its proposed expanded water service area is
25
mandated by a Wisconsin state planning law, although
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state law is superceded by federal laws.
2
stated, the Compact's no reasonable water supply
3
alternative will trump Wisconsin's planning
4
provision.
5
Simply
In short, there is no getting around the
6
fact that Waukesha's overreaching and implausible
7
water supply service area makes Waukesha's proposal
8
one that meets neither the word nor the spirit of the
9
10
For this reason I respectfully
request that Waukesha's application be denied.
11
MS. ADAMS:
12
Okay.
13
estimate that we have at least 75 other folks who
14
indicated they wish to comment.
15
suggest that we take a five-minute break
16
(indiscernible) and give me people a chance to
17
stretch and make a quick rest spot.
18
go for about another 75 minutes.
We are 29 commenters into this process.
I
At this point I
And then we will
19
(Break taken from 4:43 p.m. to 4:55 p.m.)
20
MS. ADAMS:
So here is the plan, we are
21
back on the record at five minutes to five.
22
original plan was that we would proceed with public
23
comment until 6:00 and then allow a thirty minute
24
dinner break, and I think that's still the plan, but
25
I think we can see that we've got several hours more
Our
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of testimony after dinner.
So we will proceed as expeditiously as we
3
can, and get a number of folks into the record in the
4
next hour, and then we will take a short dinner break
5
for thirty minutes and then come back and continue
6
with our work.
7
So I'm going to ask the following folks to
8
come forward as the next group of speakers:
9
Perry, Molly Flanagan, Simon Belisle, Brian Running,
10
11
12
13
and James Parra.
Aaron
Those will be our next five.
Sir, since you're the first one, whoever
you are, we'll take you next.
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Great, thank you.
14
appreciate the opportunity to testify today in
15
support of Waukesha's application.
16
MS. ADAMS:
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AUDIENCE MEMBER:
18
I
Your name and address, please.
Aaron Perry, 912 Valley
Hill Drive.
19
MS. ADAMS:
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AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Thank you.
Like I said, I appreciate
21
the opportunity to come and testify in support of
22
Waukesha's application to borrow and then return
23
Great Lakes water.
24
Aaron Perry.
25
with the Waukesha's Common Council.
I'd like to mention my name is
I'm the alderman of district 12.
I'm
I represent and
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speak for approximately 5,000 people in the City of
2
Waukesha.
3
A little history on the background of my
4
knowledge of this issue, my wife and I moved to
5
Wisconsin in 2007 from Minnesota.
6
nearby suburb for two years while we researched and
7
chose a place to buy a home and start a family.
8
2009 we chose Waukesha.
9
since then, ages 4, 3 and 1.
10
We lived in a
In
We've had three children
And prior to choosing Waukesha, I was aware
11
of the Great Lakes Compact, the law that was passed
12
in 2008, and my research on the work that had been
13
done to that point, we were very confident in moving
14
to Waukesha and their qualifications for their
15
application.
16
I became an Alderman in 2013, and got to
17
know this issue much more intimately than I did
18
previously, and my confidence only grew.
19
that have worked on this application, the leadership
20
behind it and the qualifications of this service
21
area, truly do meet the issue of the Compact.
22
The folks
And certainly a lot of opinions already
23
spoken about today, it's my advantage of going 30th
24
is I get to hear a lot of the prior comments, but I
25
want to speak on one fact is that we do have an
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opportunity here to set a precedent.
2
biggest issues that people have that may be outside
3
the area that aren't as knowledgeable on it, that
4
they fear that this could set the precedent that
5
water can go anywhere else in the country, which, in
6
fact, it's actually the complete opposite.
7
One of the
We have that opportunity to set the
8
precedent that the Compact works, that it will stay
9
in the places where it's intended to go.
And that's
10
important, people.
11
that we can take an issue and look at facts and
12
science and then apply a solution to it, you know, in
13
a very volatile political world where we have a
14
boxing ring and partisanship, when we have an issue
15
that needs a solution, instead running to corners we
16
can stay in the middle and actually come up with a
17
solution that makes sense.
18
in.
19
that.
It also sets a precedent, though,
That's what I'm confident
That the City of Waukesha has absolutely done
20
Thank you very much for the opportunity to
21
come and speak.
22
necessarily from Waukesha, but I wanted you to look
23
into the eyes of one who is going to drink this
24
water, pay for this water, and represents many others
25
that do.
A lot of people are here who aren't
Thank you.
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Good afternoon.
My name
3
is Molly Flanagan.
4
Alliance for the Great Lakes.
5
150 North Michigan Avenue, Suite 700, Chicago,
6
Illinois, 60601.
7
I'm vice president of policy, the
We're headquartered at
The Alliance has been protecting the Great
8
Lakes for more than 40 years and has thousands of
9
volunteers and supporters across the region including
10
here in Wisconsin and in your states.
11
is an official member of the Great Lakes Regional
12
Body Advisory Committee, a role that we take very
13
seriously.
14
the terms of the Great Lakes Compact and Agreement
15
which I will refer to as "agreements" in this
16
testimony.
The Alliance
I was personally involved in negotiating
17
I worked alongside many others to ensure
18
its adoption in each of the Great Lakes states and
19
its support in Congress.
20
many of the ins and outs of those negotiations, and
21
what was intended as your states signed on to these
22
important agreements.
23
Therefore, I understand
Perhaps the primary goal of the agreement
24
is to prohibit diversions of water outside of the
25
Great Lakes Basin.
Exceptions to this prohibition
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were written into these documents to potentially
2
allow communities that live near the Great Lakes
3
Basin to tap Great Lakes water as a source of
4
drinking water when they have no other options.
5
I bring this up because the Alliance
6
supports the agreements, and so we are not
7
automatically opposed to all diversions of water out
8
of the Great Lakes.
9
requests that fall under the agreements' exceptions
We believe that diversion
10
standards warrant careful consideration.
11
also meet stringent requirements set forth in the
12
agreements.
13
They must
Waukesha, Wisconsin is the first community
14
to attempt to secure a diversion of Great Lakes water
15
under the straddling county exception in the
16
agreements.
17
precedent setting and demands a strict adherence to
18
requirements of the agreements.
19
careful look at Waukesha's diversion application, and
20
we feel that, as written, it fails to meet the
21
requirements so carefully constructed in the
22
agreements to protect the Great Lakes.
Because it is first, it is also
We have taken a
23
Because we are talking about drinking water
24
for a community so close to the Great Lakes, I do not
25
say this lightly.
Waukesha may be able to meet the
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requirements of the agreements, but it has not done
2
so to date.
3
entered the Great Lakes agreements to protect and
4
preserve the water of the lakes, a precious and
5
irreplaceable resource.
6
The Great Lakes states and provinces
You are likely to hear many of the
7
solutions come up again and again in testimony today
8
as people raise similar concerns with this diversion
9
proposal.
I hope you will take these concerns
10
seriously and carefully examine for yourselves
11
whether you are confident that Waukesha has met the
12
requirements.
13
Put simply, the City of Waukesha does not
14
justify why it needs so much more water than it's
15
currently using, does not consider alternatives to
16
provide potable water for its residents, and proposes
17
to divert Great Lakes water to communities that do
18
not need Lake Michigan water and haven't yet
19
requested it.
20
For these reasons, Waukesha's diversion
21
application fails to meet the requirements of the
22
agreement.
23
comments before the comment deadline.
24
your consideration.
25
We will provide more detailed written
MS. ADAMS:
Thank you for
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Good afternoon.
I'm
2
Brian Running, 312 East College Avenue, Waukesha.
3
am Waukesha's City Attorney, however, I'm going to
4
speak here today as a private citizen of Waukesha.
5
And the reason I decided to do that is because I know
6
that I can't add anything technical.
7
understand it much better than I do, and I could not
8
add anything to that discussion, but one thing I
9
would like to address is the large amount of
I
Y'all
10
misinformation that's being bandied about here, and
11
out there in the press.
12
We have heard some of that here today.
13
prime example is the argument that if Waukesha's
14
application is granted, that somehow this will break
15
the Compact and this will open the floodgates of
16
Great Lakes water to go out to western states.
17
Obviously, not true, (indiscernible) the Compact.
18
The
Another one is that all Waukesha needs to
19
do is cure its radium problem, which completely
20
ignores the fact that the aquifer is unsustainable.
21
We've -- you know, as the time has come here
22
approaching decision time, we've heard the rhetoric
23
kind of ramp up.
24
is racially motivated, and this is a class motivated
25
act, that politics are involved somehow.
We have heard allegations that this
I think
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that this shows me a couple of things.
First of all, we don't know that these
3
people really ever visited Waukesha and understood
4
what this community was really like.
5
Secondly, it tells me that the motives may
6
not be strictly towards the concern, towards the
7
Compact and actually protecting Great Lakes water.
8
And I'm concerned that these emotional arguments
9
would have some effect on the deliberations and the
10
outcome of the application.
11
environmentalists here.
12
about the environment as anyone else.
13
to see our wetlands and lakes and streams be depleted
14
by the aquifer being drained down.
15
In Waukesha, we are
We're just as concerned
We don't want
We are also, even though we are technically
16
outside of the watershed, we are still very much a
17
part of the Great Lakes community here.
18
to the Great Lakes economy, as a matter of fact the
19
water that's supplied to our deep aquifer comes from
20
Lake Michigan.
21
else in protecting Great Lakes water and seeing that
22
it does not leave the area.
We're tied
We're just as interested as anyone
23
I was glad to see the question yesterday
24
focused on the service area, because that tells me
25
your focus is on actual technical terms of the
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Compact and is not going to be emotional arguments.
2
So, yes, it's true that this will set a
3
precedent and, yes, it's a very important precedent.
4
But we know that whatever precedent is set, that it
5
will not involve water leaving -- Great Lakes water
6
leaving the Great Lakes Basin.
7
y'all to remain objective and make the decision based
8
on the science and the facts and the law.
9
10
And I will encourage
So I urge you to support and to approve the
application.
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.
11
MS. ADAMS:
12
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Hello, name is Jimmy
13
Parra.
14
Environmental Advocates.
15
my time over to Charlene Lemoine who is a resident of
16
the City of Waukesha.
17
If possible, I request that my name be moved to the
18
end of the list of testifiers and I can give my
19
testimony at that time.
I'm the staff attorney at Midwest
I'm actually going to give
She has to leave here shortly.
Thank you.
20
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
21
appreciate the opportunity to speak.
22
Charlene Lemoine.
23
the City of Waukesha.
24
25
Thank you.
I really
My name is
I live at 1240 Highpoint Lane in
MS. ADAMS:
As a homeowner -Pardon me.
Have you filled out
a form?
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Yes.
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It's in the pile.
Thank you.
As a city resident and homeowner and rate
4
payor, I've followed the radium issue for years, and
5
when I really got involved with it was when the City
6
of Waukesha wanted to change the standard for radium.
7
They filed a lawsuit so that Waukesha would be in
8
compliance to raise the radium standard.
9
didn't work, I was very hopeful that another plan
10
would come by that I could support.
11
hopeful for conservation.
12
When that
And I was
I do see the conservation plan that is
13
implemented now as a good start, but it's certainly
14
not a comprehensive plan.
15
ordinance does allow for sprinkling certain days of
16
the week, but if you hold the hose in your hand, you
17
can sprinkle all you want.
18
conservation.
19
The sprinkling of the
That doesn't comply with
Additionally, the rates for residential
20
users are tiered; the more you use the more you pay.
21
And I think that's a good idea because you're hitting
22
them in the pocket book, and you will try to
23
conserve; but for large industrial and commercial
24
users, the rates are lower the more you use.
25
think that really fails conservation completely.
And I
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Everyone should have to pay more for using more
2
water.
3
I also am very concerned about the expanded
4
service area, and Waukesha becoming a water broker
5
and selling water to all of these other
6
opportunities.
7
more freely than they use now, and they don't even
8
have conservation plans in place.
9
that really do concern me as we move forward.
They will then probably use water
These are things
I also
10
think that the aquifer is a very big concern, it was
11
never a concern when the City wanted to raise the
12
radium standards, but it is a viable concern now.
13
But by taking Waukesha off the aquifer,
14
you're only giving other communities more
15
opportunities to draw from that aquifer, and we
16
should all be doing conservation, whether we're in
17
the Basin or not.
18
everywhere.
Conservation should be implemented
19
Thank you very much for the opportunity.
20
MS. ADAMS:
21
And before this next speaker I would like
22
to call the next group of names.
23
Daniel Duchniak, Gene Schulz, Mary Bear.
24
25
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Belisle.
William Moore,
Hi, my name is Simon
I was made aware that I was called when I
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was outside on a break.
2
Great Lakes and Saint Lawrence City Initiative,
3
headquartered at 20 North Wacker Drive, Suite 2700,
4
Chicago, Illinois 60606.
5
form as well.
6
I'm here representing the
And my address is on my
Thank you for affording me an opportunity
7
to present arguments and comments.
8
written comments and a variety of resolutions from
9
our member cities.
I also have
The Great Lakes-Saint Lawrence
10
initiative is a financial coalition of 121 mayors
11
representing over 127 million people in the cities
12
across the eight Great Lakes states and Ontario,
13
Quebec.
14
We work effectively through (indiscernible)
15
Great Lakes and Saint Lawrence Basin.
We are a group
16
led by the mayors of those 121 cities.
A few of our
17
member mayors have spoken already today.
18
More than ever we understand and appreciate
19
the importance of providing abundant, safe, clean,
20
and fairly priced drinking water (indiscernible.
21
(indiscernible) mayor realizes it's his
22
responsibility to achieve that for his city.
23
However, our mayors (indiscernible) realizing the
24
importance of the Great Lakes and Saint Lawrence
25
River as a resource for our quality of life and
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economic well-being and a source of drinking water.
The community's straddling county exception
3
of the Compact is an exception.
4
automatic Google if requested.
5
for you, members of the Regional Body and Company
6
Council, to affirm your leadership, to commit
7
(indiscernible) Compact, by rejecting the current
8
Waukesha application.
9
It's not an
It's an opportunity
The Compact states clearly that an
10
(indiscernible) seeking diversion under that clause
11
must prove that there is no reasonable water supply
12
alternative but the Basin on which it is located --
13
I'm paraphrasing here.
14
there is a reasonable alternative.
15
rebounding.
16
Lake Michigan water would.
17
impact to surrounding rivers and the Root River.
18
Research has proven that
The aquifer is
Radium treatment would cost half of what
There is would be no
Radium treatment is working for Brookfield
19
and Pewaukee, why not Waukesha?
20
varied opinions on water conservation in the City,
21
but there is some being done, and it is clearly cited
22
that there will be more.
23
left out by the City, forcing the Wisconsin DNR to
24
(indiscernible) diversion.
25
alternative, diversion should not be granted.
And we've heard
These options have been
There is a reasonable
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The -- that's also (indiscernible) agree
2
with a lot of the definition of the community within
3
a straddling county.
4
service area is not a community, and, therefore,
5
there should not be a diversion granted, and the
6
Compact is federal law and Wisconsin law will not be
7
able to go over the federal law.
It's very clear that the
8
So I will finish by urging all of you to
9
make the right decisions for the City of Waukesha,
10
and the whole Basin, protect the Root River, protect
11
everybody, and keep with our great safe drinking
12
water.
Thank you.
13
MS. ADAMS:
14
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Hello, I'm Billy Moore,
15
4260 South Victoria Circle in New Berlin, the
16
community just to the east of Waukesha's but still in
17
Waukesha County.
18
I was on the City council when it applied for and
19
received Lake Michigan water through Milwaukee for
20
the same reason that Waukesha is making application.
21
We have radium in our water, and we're under orders
22
to supply safe water to our residents, but the
23
similarity with Waukesha stops there.
24
to, and only requested to change the water source for
25
the middle one-third of the City that lies abreast of
I am a former New Berlin alderman.
We only needed
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the subcontinental divide, then using city well
2
water, and did not request to add in the western
3
third of the City that uses private wells.
4
Waukesha is correct that use of shallow
5
wells would impact the amount of surface water in the
6
local lakes and streams, and needs another source
7
other than either shallow or radium-tainted deep
8
wells for its water.
9
beyond its city limits disregards the objectives of
Including a future service area
10
the Great Lakes Compact.
11
included the rest of the county on the strength of
12
its argument to include more than the borders of this
13
community.
14
It might as well have just
While using the argument that the
15
environment would be impaired without lake water, it
16
then can't disregard the environmental impact of
17
explosive growth, meaning sprawl, that could occur in
18
the future service area beyond the City limits, if
19
well draw-down became a problem and lake water were
20
offered.
21
Additionally, using the argument that state
22
law allows adding area beyond its community limits is
23
a red herring.
24
irrevocable precedent allowing any state to create
25
the law that could circumvent the objectives of the
For that argument can only create an
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Compact.
2
known for a time including an expanded service area
3
goes beyond the rules of the Compact and have been
4
unwilling to modify their request.
5
for reasons beyond the care for the environment and
6
safe drinking water.
Waukesha and the Wisconsin DNR have long
7
And I wonder if,
It should have taken the example of New
8
Berlin and only asked for what it needed, not what
9
some might have wanted.
Its request should be denied
10
or, if possible, amended by the governors of the
11
Great Lakes.
Thank you.
12
MS. ADAMS:
13
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
14
Next is Daniel Duchniak.
I'm going to defer to Mr.
(indiscernible) and I will come back at the end.
15
MS. ADAMS:
I'm sorry, whom?
I don't have
16
a form.
17
takes us too much.
18
substitutions.
19
schedule, but every time that somebody does this we
20
lose time.
We really need to stick to the form, it
21
22
We lose time on these
And I apologize if people have a
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
about that.
23
I'm sorry, I'm sorry
Can I speak?
MS. ADAMS:
I can't -- we have to stick to
24
the rules or we're going to be here all night.
25
apologize.
So I
We can look for your form and try to call
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2
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
I appreciate that.
3
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
My name is Dan Duchniak,
4
and hopefully you will be hearing from me for the
5
last time.
6
water utility.
7
career working to ensure the availability of healthy
8
drinking water, I understand the importance of the
9
unique resource of the Great Lakes and the need to
10
11
I'm the general manager of the Waukesha
As someone who has spent their entire
protect it.
Waukesha supported and helped pass the
12
Great Lakes Compact in Wisconsin, and our application
13
is in no way a threat to it.
14
return the same amount of water setting a high
15
standard for any future diversion request.
16
of the importance of making fact-based decisions, I
17
wanted to take the time to address several flaws with
18
the claims of an organization called Compact
19
Implementation Coalition, since many commenters seem
20
to be relying on the misinformation provided by them.
21
We will borrow and
Because
CIC's alternative was developed without
22
consulting with experts on Waukesha's water system
23
and without consideration of Waukesha's entire
24
application.
25
was done on the CIC proposal before this alternative
In addition, no independent peer review
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was made public.
2
and found that Waukesha's deep aquifer wells could
3
not provide enough water for Waukesha even for CIC's
4
hypothetically smaller service area.
5
The DNR reviewed the CIC proposal
Consequently, CIC's alternative would
6
increase environmental impacts even to meet its lower
7
projected demand.
8
CIC alternative is that, in the CIC alternative,
9
pointed out by the DNR are that the actual water use
Among the additional flaws in the
10
estimates are less than the CIC assumed, and they
11
failed to consider that reverse osmosis treatment
12
wastes 19 to 20 percent of the water supply, which
13
would require greater pumping from the aquifer,
14
causing significant harm to the environment from the
15
drawdowns.
16
But most importantly, the CIC alternative
17
fails to put the radium regulations under all water
18
system operating conditions.
19
cannot comply with the court order to comply with
20
federal drinking water standard, radium, a
21
carcinogen.
22
the CIC is that water quality in the shallow aquifer
23
is much more vulnerable to contamination in an
24
urbanized area.
25
This means Waukesha
Another critical fact not considered by
In fact, we had to suspend the use of two
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shallow wells earlier this month because current
2
levels exceeded federal standards and to prevent
3
gross water from entered the distribution system.
4
For all of us that are concerned about the Great
5
Lakes ecosystem, we cannot forget the importance of
6
the connected groundwater as was recently highlighted
7
by the (inaudible).
8
9
Everyone needs to know that deep
groundwater currently being used by Waukesha is
10
tributary to Lake Michigan, so Waukesha's currently
11
pumping Great Lakes water and diverting it to the
12
Mississippi Basin.
13
substandard consideration will be given to that
14
point.
The Compact also says that a
15
Finally, as a past project manager for the
16
Racine River runoff, and having been involved in the
17
(indiscernible) lakefront area in Racine, I am very
18
sensitive to the lakefront in Racine.
19
you that the return of water will not have any
20
negative impact on those great assets in Racine and
21
will only improve the fishing opportunities that many
22
of the citizens appreciate.
23
24
25
MS. ADAMS:
time.
Excuse me, sir.
I can assure
You're out of
Thank you.
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Thank you.
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Schulz.
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Hills, Wisconsin.
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Hi, my name is Gene
I live at 8210 North Green Bay Road, River
I'm just here as a citizen.
I moved from a (indiscernible) within the
5
Great Lakes Basin to Waukesha, Wisconsin at age 18 in
6
1969 to attend school here at the college.
7
remained in Waukesha area until 1974.
8
early years I had occasion to drive through Milwaukee
9
and could see the trenches rising and rising until
I
During those
10
you finally get to (indiscernible) the two different
11
watersheds, and I grew up on the east side of that
12
divide, and spent my college years on the west side
13
of that divide.
14
I'm here today to thank those who
15
understand the importance of defining that area for
16
the purposes of water use; for what falls to the east
17
goes into Lake Michigan and what falls to the west
18
goes into the Mississippi River.
19
surrounding the Great Lakes (indiscernible).
20
finished reading Timothy Easley, "Enduring the Worst
21
of Times," which is really sad history of the
22
creation of the dust bowl.
23
of the farmers and ranchers (indiscernible).
24
25
Can the states
I just
Although the description
Again, the author reports that the Oklahoma
aquifer, the nation's biggest source of underground
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fresh water (indiscernible) in Texas and filled by
2
glacier melt 15,000 years ago (indiscernible)
3
1.1 million acres feet per day.
4
down eight times faster than nature can refill it.
5
This is frightening, and under the current statutes
6
unstoppable.
7
Waukesha.
8
unusable or empty.
9
undermine this concept of conservation, I want you to
It's being drawn
It's a metaphor for the request by
At some point the aquifer is going to be
Knowing how easy it is to
10
hear five reasons why water should not be diverted
11
from Lake Michigan across the divide.
12
Inadequate water treatment for sewage,
13
future disagreements entangling municipalities
14
(indiscernible.)
15
water within Waukesha's home basin.
16
Except for the first one.
17
is supposed to be a zero sum game, every gallon that
18
leaves the Great Lakes Basin will return.
19
okay.
Available alternative source of
(indiscernible.)
I understand the diversion
Sounds
But let's talk a minute about water treatment.
20
An article cited in the American from the
21
November 22, 2013, stated that many pharmaceuticals a
22
(indiscernible) are not removed during sewage
23
treatment.
24
MS. ADAMS:
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AUDIENCE MEMBER:
I'm sorry, sir.
I'm going to quote the
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article when I say, "A federal study of 74 waterways
2
used for drink water in 25 states found 53 --
3
MS. ADAMS:
Excuse me, sir.
4
down just a little bit.
5
reporter is getting this.
6
7
I don't think the court
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
She is good.
She'll get
it.
8
9
Can you slow
53 had traces of one or more
pharmaceuticals.
There are currently no federal
10
regulations of pharmaceuticals in waste or drinking
11
water, however, 12 pharmaceuticals are currently on
12
the Environmental Protect Agency list of chemicals
13
under consideration as drinking water contaminants.
14
The communities within the Great Lakes
15
Basin are (indiscernible) pharmaceutical pollutants
16
to the water in the sewer systems.
17
of any community who utilizes the renewal process
18
during the final stages of sewage treatment which
19
assures no pharmaceuticals went into the water.
20
21
And I don't know
I'm not going to get any further than that,
am I?
22
MS. ADAMS:
Your time is up.
And we
23
encourage you to submit your comments in writing.
24
Thank you.
25
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
I will.
Thank you.
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Before we begin, we will call
2
the next group of names.
3
Brian Nemoir, N-e-m-o-i-r.
4
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
George Meyer, Steve Edlund,
And John Bolger.
Good afternoon.
My name
5
is Mary Bear and I live at 123 Harrogate Drive in the
6
great city of Waukesha.
7
day that Waukesha can finally have safe drinking
8
water from Lake Michigan.
9
opportunity to speak to you today.
And I look forward to the
I appreciate the
I have spoken on
10
this topic at every opportunity I have been given
11
because I so strongly believe the science supports
12
this diversion, and because I believe that it is a
13
best environmental option also.
14
This request has been fully vetted by the
15
City, the DNR, and many environmental groups.
16
result, I believe those in favor and those opposed
17
can help make this submittal even stronger as all
18
questions have been answered during this lengthy
19
review process.
20
As a
If you listen to the feedback on all the
21
other options that have been reviewed by the City and
22
the DNR, you will realize that they have long-term
23
effects on the surrounding groundwater and
24
environment.
25
Think; no replenishment of the water level
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due to the impervious soil makeup of this area.
2
Think; the loss of the amazing natural habitat of the
3
Horicon Marsh and the damage the additional wells
4
could cause.
5
6
7
Think of Flint, Michigan and what happened
when they tried to save money by using river water.
Now, think about Waukesha's (indiscernible)
8
initiative as a straddling county.
9
improvement to the Root River that would result in
Think about the
10
the return flow.
11
lawsuit against of City of Waukesha (indiscernible)
12
of water, and think about the generations that will
13
finally enjoy pure safe drink water in Waukesha.
14
Think about the EPA dropping their
I'm not sure why this whole process became
15
sort of political.
16
because we were the first DNR-approved submittal.
17
Maybe it was because certain cities were not willing
18
(indiscernible) to provide water to us, or maybe it
19
was because good people choose to oppose any
20
(indiscernible) that is an environmental change.
21
Maybe it is destined to be
What I do know is that we need access to
22
Lake Michigan water.
23
that this diversion is our only viable option.
24
all of you from the seven Great Lakes states and two
25
Canadian provinces to look at this from a scientific
It's been scientifically proven
I ask
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perspective and make your judgment based on that
2
rather than negative politics that surround this
3
proposal.
4
I also want to thank you for taking the
5
time to visit Waukesha and review our water needs.
6
hope what you have seen and heard here leads you to a
7
positive response to this request for diversion.
8
With approval, I hope that the health of Waukesha's
9
children and their children's children's children,
10
that we can finally provide safe drinking water to
11
all.
12
today.
I
Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you
13
MS. ADAMS:
14
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
15
to the State of Wisconsin.
16
the time out of your very busy schedules to come here
17
and listen to the citizens of Wisconsin on all sides
18
of this issue.
19
executive director of the Wisconsin Wildlife
20
Federation, 201 Randolf Drive, Madison Wisconsin.
Good evening, and welcome
Thank you all for taking
My name is George Meyer.
I'm an
21
The federation is comprised of 195 hunting,
22
fishing, and trapping organizations in the state with
23
over 100,000 members.
24
number of Great Lakes sport fishing groups on both
25
Lake Michigan and Lake Superior, including the
These organizations include a
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Wisconsin Federation of Great Lakes Sport Fishing
2
Clubs.
3
The Great Lakes are extremely important to
4
Wisconsin's 1.6 million anglers.
5
level, I've been involved in conservation and
6
environmental policy in the state for over 45 years,
7
and have served 32 years in the Department of Natural
8
Resources, including eight years as its secretary.
9
On a personal
The Wisconsin Wildlife Federation and its
10
clubs have worked hard over the last ten years to
11
pass the Great Lakes Compact, its adoption in
12
Wisconsin and other states and in U.S. Congress.
13
have also worked hard on the adoption of Wisconsin's
14
implementing statutes and rules.
15
We
Both the federation and I personally
16
approached the proposed Waukesha diversion
17
application with an open mind.
18
principle was to ensure that the Waukesha application
19
decision be consistent with a strong Compact, thereby
20
protecting the Great Lakes from legal challenges.
21
We have reached the conclusion that the
Our only guiding
22
current Waukesha application does not meet the
23
standards of the Great Lakes Compact.
24
concern we have is that the proposed water service
25
area is a tremendous expansion and goes way beyond
The key
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what is necessary to meet the community of Waukesha's
2
needs, to provide safe drinking water to its
3
citizens, and provide reasonable growth for its
4
community.
5
Using the current water service area, there
6
is a reasonable alternative including water treatment
7
and additional wells to meet Waukesha's needs for
8
several decades.
9
substantially less than the proposed Great Lakes
10
11
In addition, the cost would be
diversion.
The Regional Body should be aware that
12
Waukesha's water service area was established before
13
the Great Lakes Compact was in place, it was not
14
designed to meet the standards of the Compact.
15
in fact, the state statute dealing with this issue is
16
in conflict with the Compact itself, and please
17
consider that.
18
And,
In conclusion, the Wisconsin Wildlife
19
Federation respectfully requests that the Regional
20
Body not approve the proposed Waukesha water
21
diversion application because it does not meet the
22
standards of the Great Lakes Compact.
23
Thank you for your consideration.
24
MS. ADAMS:
25
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
My name is Steve Edlund
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and I live at 426 Prospect Avenue in the City of
2
Waukesha.
3
although I'm not representing the school district, I
4
do represent 14,000 students in the Waukesha School
5
District.
I'm a member of the Waukesha school board,
6
And I'd like to present this graph to you.
7
This is a USGS graph of the aquifer that is measured
8
within the City of Waukesha.
9
there's some lines on here.
If you'll notice,
Waukesha's application,
10
the 2013 application contains a study of the deep
11
aquifer.
12
from a time period when the aquifer was in decline up
13
until the year in 2000.
14
in 2000, and there is no current study within the
15
last public comment period to support that we are
16
without an adequate supply of water.
17
when you look at everything that's in the 2,000- to
18
3,000-page application about the deep aquifer.
19
But what was used to model the study was
The aquifer began to rebound
Consider that
Why do we need an alternative supply?
20
Waukesha's not without a supply.
21
aquifer is not severely depleted, and no current
22
science in the application supports that claim.
23
According to (indiscernible) USGS (indiscernible), in
24
Waukesha's 1,785 feet deep aquifer, the net draw-down
25
from 1932 to the fall of 2015 for 84 years is 295
Its sand and stone
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feet, including a rebound of over 100 feet in the
2
last 15 years.
3
Due to this exposure during the public
4
comment period in 2015, the DNR required Waukesha to
5
rerun the (indiscernible).
6
period expired, Waukesha negotiated the contract with
7
desired outcomes with the firm.
8
adopted by the DNR in late November of 2015.
9
was no public input, no public hearings, the
Before the public comment
The study was
There
10
agreement permitted on the study.
11
were also adopted by the DNR after the public
12
comments were closed.
13
Other documents
The issue of the contaminated water supply
14
in the (indiscernible) Great Lakes water
15
(indiscernible) is mutually exclusive and irrelevant
16
to the Compact requirements.
17
on compliance June 30, 2018 and has released a memo
18
in November of 2014 stating that they cannot meet the
19
achievement of the court date by 2018.
20
would be 2021.
21
Waukesha will be rated
The earliest
Let the record reflect that we are
22
Wisconsin's Flint, Michigan.
23
has an acceleration clause that says if they violate
24
federal and state radium level based on the annual
25
rated full average used to monitor the temporary
Waukesha's court order
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exception to state and federal standards for radium
2
in place at all points entering the distribution
3
system, that Waukesha will come into full compliance
4
within three years.
5
level 40 out of 61 months, and our Department of
6
Justice has not enforced this rule.
7
that each of your attorneys generally request the
8
records from Waukesha between DNR and the State of
9
Wisconsin and the Waukesha's Water Utility.
10
Waukesha's has exceeded that
And I am request
I'm only getting this stuff by public
11
records and it's on the website www.Waukesha Great
12
Lakes application.com.
13
MS. ADAMS:
Thank you.
Mr. Edlund, a moment please.
14
Can you leave that exhibit with us since you relied
15
on it in your testimony?
16
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Yes, I can.
I'll also
17
leave with you the full rated average measurements
18
that were submitted from the Waukesha water utility
19
as a requirement of the stipulation agreement.
20
MS. ADAMS:
21
Hand it to the gentleman right there.
22
up to us.
23
24
25
He'll bring it
Thank you.
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
My name is Brian Nemoir,
1819 Coldwater Rest in Waukesha, Wisconsin.
Good evening.
Good afternoon, my name is
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Brian J. Nemoir, Executive Director of the Alliance
2
to Sustain the Great Lakes, a multi-state coalition
3
of water users who respect the exceptional resource
4
that the Great Lakes truly are and believe in the
5
Compact as a necessary tool for protecting the lakes
6
and creating a level playing field for all current
7
and future users.
8
9
10
I'll try to be brief here with my time on
the table because I know there is still a lot of
folks waiting to testify.
11
The intent of the Compact is to rely on
12
science when considering Great Lakes Water usage and
13
not politics. By placing science at the forefront,
14
the sum of the Great Lakes becomes more important
15
than its varied parts; specifically the states,
16
communities, its residents and other key stakeholders
17
by setting aside the immediacy of politics and
18
allowing science to be the appropriate measuring
19
stick.
20
retain control of decisions regarding the Great
21
Lakes.
22
The states bordering the Great Lakes seek to
As you're well aware, the first test case
23
of the Compact is the City of Waukesha's application.
24
You already heard much about that.
25
to suggest that today's public hearing is about more
But I'd just like
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than Waukesha.
2
earlier, is about the sum of the Great Lakes; and the
3
parts, like Waukesha, interrelate.
4
immediate need, thoroughly vetted application are
5
today's challenge deserving a science-driven
6
consideration.
7
look like?
8
9
Today's consideration, as stated
Waukesha's
What does tomorrow's consideration
There are 831 diversion eligible
communities within the eight Great Lakes states.
10
Communities who may also one day need a safe,
11
sustainable water supply.
12
never will because they have viable supply options.
13
But some of these 831 communities will and deserve
14
the same opportunity to put together a science-based,
15
thoroughly vetted application to borrow Great Lakes
16
water and to have their request considered by this
17
same body objectively using science rather than
18
politics.
19
Most of these communities
Water safety is an issue of great concern
20
right now.
21
Great Lakes neighbors in Flint, Michigan has raised
22
awareness.
23
expensive process of, again, garnering Great Lakes
24
water, not unlike Waukesha's.
25
communities governed by the Compacts are fortunate,
Unfortunately, the dire situation of our
Flint's eventual solution will be a long
The states and their
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as the framework has been built for fair
2
consideration of future sustainable and safe water
3
supply requests.
4
On behalf of the Alliance to Sustain the
5
Great Lakes and its growing coalition, I thank you
6
for your time today and ask you to apply the Compact
7
using science as the standard, not politics as
8
required both today and tomorrow.
9
MS. ADAMS:
10
Thank you.
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
I'm John Thomas Bolger,
11
Woods Road, Waukesha.
12
(indiscernible).
13
about standing here before you, but there are some
14
issues and statements invoked in this process that
15
have really stuck in my craw.
16
And feeling like I'm about to
I have some of the trepidation
I hold no official position of public
17
trust, but I'm a resident of Section 24 of the Town
18
of Genesee, Waukesha County, Wisconsin.
19
address as Waukesha, we have a Waukesha post office
20
rural route and we're also members of the Waukesha
21
school system, although I live in the Town of
22
Genesee.
23
I gave my
This section is within the extended
24
Waukesha water supply service area, and as alluded
25
to, (indiscernible) as a footnote in the alternative
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plan purported as the Compact implementation
2
coalition non-diversion solution.
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This portion of the Town of Genesee,
4
identified by the Southeast Regional Planning
5
Commission as a flash area vulnerable to private
6
wells in the area likely to due to bacterial
7
contamination.
8
9
Much of this area has bedrock within six
feet of the ground surface, and my own property I
10
rarely can I dig down 18 inches before hitting
11
bedrock.
12
The Regional Water Supply Planning Program
13
was undertaken by the Southeast Regional Planning
14
Commission in response to formal requests received
15
from multiple municipalities including the Town of
16
Genesee.
17
required preparation of a water supply plan for
18
Southeastern Wisconsin to follow the mandate of smart
19
growth.
20
Wisconsin's groundwater management law
The Town of Genesee has participated in
21
good faith with the Southeast Regional Planning
22
Commission to plan for the future anticipated
23
priorities.
24
other municipalities on the water service supply
25
area, "have demonstrated no need, imminent or
To state that the Town of Genesee, among
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otherwise for additional supplies of water," is
2
disingenuous at the least and certainly a curious
3
insult to the process of public municipal planning.
4
The alternative CIC non-diversion solution
5
emphasizes the use of existing shallow and deep
6
aquifer wells adjacent to and shared by this part of
7
the Town of Genesee, increasing drawdown to the
8
aquifers and river bank easement may indeed put these
9
shared shallow aquifers supplying the wells within
10
the town at increased risk of early failure.
11
add insult to injury, the alternative non-diversion
12
plan advocates ignoring the recommendations of the
13
agreement formulated with the Southeast Regional
14
Planning Commission.
15
the protection of the planning agreement for a safe,
16
reliable supply of water, and need to renegotiate for
17
an alternative source of unknown consequences.
18
And to
So town residents would lose
There are haunting parallels between the
19
Town of Genesee, Wisconsin, and Genesee County of
20
Flint, Michigan.
21
supply area plan to avoid a potential crisis.
22
Clearly some critics have tried to divert the
23
argument in this process to that of anti-growth for
24
Waukesha County by asking the Regional Body and the
25
Compact Council to support the thoughtful efforts
Let us keep the Waukesha water
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already made here in the municipal planning for a
2
safe, reliable source through the Lake Michigan water
3
diversion.
4
for this body.
I appreciate the opportunity of preparing
And I hope I wasn't too grumpy.
5
MS. ADAMS:
6
We have a speaker, Mr. Villarreal.
7
Thank you.
here?
8
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
9
MS. ADAMS:
10
He had to leave.
He had to leave.
Okay.
I
apologize for that.
11
12
Is he
Next up Elizabeth Moran, christy Meyer,
Jennifer McKay.
13
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Good evening.
My name is
14
Elizabeth Moran and I'm a Water and Natural Resources
15
Associate for Environmental Advocates of New York.
16
Environmental Advocates' mission is to protect our
17
air, land, water, and wildlife and help all New
18
Yorkers.
19
state government, evaluate it, (indiscernible).
20
champion policies and practices that will continue
21
the responsible stewardship of our shared
22
environment.
23
support and strengthen the (indiscernible) of
24
environmental community and to make our state a
25
national leader.
Basically, in Albany, New York we monitor
And
With over 47,000 advocates, we work to
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As you know, New York is one of eight
2
states that can be negatively impacted by this
3
proposed diversion.
4
today to voice our significant concerns with the City
5
of Waukesha's Great Lakes diversion application,
6
which proposed to divert an average of 10.1 million
7
gallons of water per day from Lake Michigan.
8
9
As such, I am addressing you
It's in violation of the Great Lakes
Compact, sets a dangerous precedent, and undermines
10
the integrity of this very body.
11
reject the City of Waukesha's application.
12
Lakes Compact Council was formed to manage the Great
13
Lakes, an irreplaceable environmental and economic
14
asset.
15
We urge you to
The Great
The Compact bans diversions at the Great
16
Lakes with very limited exceptions, which the City of
17
Waukesha's application compromises.
18
(indiscernible) way of life.
19
80 percent of our fresh surface water, over 700 miles
20
of shoreline, and nearly 48 percent of the lands can
21
be found within the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence
22
River Basins.
23
on fresh waters of the basin for drinking,
24
recreation, and to support local economies.
25
also relies on the managed use of these waters for
The Great Lakes
Approximately
More than 4 million New Yorkers depend
New York
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thermoelectric and hydropower in addition to various
2
other uses.
3
every diversion applicant plays by the same rules and
4
adheres to the Compact for the longevity of the Great
5
Lakes.
6
It's in every state's best interest that
This body has the opportunity to set one of
7
two precedents:
8
ensure all future requests follow the high standards
9
intended, or they can fail the Compact and open the
They can protect the Compact and
10
door for communities to do as they wish without
11
regard for (indiscernible) unintended consequences.
12
Waukesha's application fails to meet the
13
strict standards of the Compact.
14
ignores a clear alternative to Lake Michigan water,
15
which would be treating the City's current supply for
16
radium.
17
alternatives must be explored before even applying
18
for a diversion, which is intended as a last resort.
19
Independent analysis demonstrates Waukesha
Specifically, it
The Compact clearly states that all
20
can meet its water needs for decades by applying
21
additional treatment to its current aquifer sources.
22
In addition, the application significantly inflates
23
the volume of its request by inappropriately
24
including towns that do not need water, have not
25
requested it, and do plan to be connected to the new
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source.
2
fails to demonstrate need for diversion and should be
3
rejected.
Thus, the City of Waukesha's application
4
MS. ADAMS:
5
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
6
MS. ADAMS:
7
Thank you.
You're free to submit any
written comments.
8
9
Your time is up.
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Amanda Payne works for
me, but she had to pick up her one-year-old.
10
filled out a slip.
11
wait for her or take her time.
12
MS. ADAMS:
13
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
14
Good evening.
I also
My name is Suzanne Kelley.
I can
Go ahead.
Thank you.
My name is Suzanne Kelley
15
and I'm president of the Waukesha County Business
16
Alliance located at 2717 North Grandview Boulevard in
17
Waukesha.
18
association in Waukesha County, representing more
19
than 1,000 member companies and community
20
organizations, and collectively our members employ
21
over 60,000 people in this region.
22
The Alliance is the largest business
Approximately 25 percent of our member
23
businesses are located in Waukesha and employ several
24
thousand individuals who work and/or live in
25
Waukesha.
We also have member companies with
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operations throughout the Great Lakes states.
2
The alliance stands in firm support of the
3
City's application for Lake Michigan water.
4
believe the application meets the criteria of the
5
Compact and we are very, very proud of the hard work
6
that the City has gone through to meet the very high
7
standards under the Compact.
8
We
The City's proposal has been thoroughly
9
vetted by our infrastructure policy committee, our
10
policy board, and the Alliance Board of Directors.
11
We have spent years updating and educating our entire
12
membership about the issue, and have asked for their
13
feedback.
14
been widespread among our member businesses, several
15
were here earlier today and had to leave, so I'm hear
16
speaking for them as well.
17
Support for the City's application has
We believe it's essential to provide safe
18
and healthy water to the citizens, employer's, and
19
many employees in Waukesha.
20
all the information that has been presented over
21
many, many years now, we remain convinced that
22
Waukesha's application provides the only practical
23
environmentally sound and long-term solution for the
24
City, its inhabitants, and its workers.
25
And after considering
Whether you're looking at this issue from
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the perspective of a business person, an
2
environmentalist, or a public policy leader, the
3
City's application is truly the only solution that
4
really makes sense.
Thank you for your time.
5
MS. ADAMS:
6
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Good evening, my name is
7
Kristin Meyer and I'm the managing director of
8
enviro-cultural health and clean-water programs of
9
the Ohio Environmental Council out of Columbus, Ohio.
10
The OEC is a statewide not-for-profit advocacy
11
organization whose mission is to support healthy and
12
clean water for all who (indiscernible).
13
The OEC is very concerned about the City of
14
Waukesha's water diversion application as written.
15
This application has the potential to unravel the
16
commitment that the region has made to the lakes and
17
the wildlife and people that depend on the lakes.
18
The City of Waukesha water diversion application does
19
not meet the reasonable use standard under the
20
Compact.
21
According to an independent study,
22
Waukesha's water demand has been falling since the
23
late 1980s.
24
higher demand for water use in the future.
25
inconsistent with historical trends.
Yet the City of Waukesha projects a much
This is
Even with
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Waukesha's water surface supply area projected
2
industrial and residential growth, expected total
3
average daily demand is 6.7 MGD and the maximum 11.1
4
MGD.
5
Waukesha is currently demanding.
6
requested amount cannot be considered reasonable.
These numbers are well below the 16.7 MGD that
As such, the
7
Also, the towns within the City's WSSA have
8
not expressed a need for a new source of or a need of
9
additional water.
Furthermore, some of the public
10
officials from these areas have indicated that they
11
do not need water now or into the foreseeable future.
12
Lastly, over the last couple of years
13
groundwater levels in Southeast Wisconsin have been
14
rising, or at the very least stabilizing.
15
independent engineering firms looked at Waukesha's
16
proposal and concluded that Waukesha can use its
17
existing deep and shallow water wells to provide
18
ample clean water and meet current and future demands
19
as long as the City invests in three new drinking
20
water treatment plants.
21
Two
Utilizing Waukesha's existing wells and
22
treating the wells with high levels of radium would
23
cost half as much as Waukesha's water diversion
24
request, saving residents and local businesses money,
25
while meeting future demand and protecting the health
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of Waukesha's residents according to the independent
2
analysis.
3
Your decision on this application has the
4
ability to unravel the benefits of tireless
5
(indiscernible) of Lake Erie.
6
how.
7
Lakes (indiscernible) thousand straws, as they are
8
many communities out of the watershed around the
9
Great Lakes that might be more willing to consider
You might be wondering
A favorable decision could ensure the Great
10
withdrawing Great Lakes water in the future.
11
favorable approval of this decision application
12
almost ensures that those future communities would
13
also get favorable approvals.
14
A
For all these reasons, we respectfully urge
15
the members of this body to deny this diversion
16
application as written.
17
opportunity and we will be providing our written
18
comments.
19
20
MS. ADAMS:
Thank you, again, for this
Are you Jennifer McKay?
21
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
22
MS. ADAMS:
Okay.
I am.
And then I would like to
23
call up Kathy Martin, Louise Segroves who would be
24
next in line.
25
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Good evening.
My name is
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Jennifer McKay.
2
Mitt Watershed Council.
3
Street, Petoskey, Michigan 49770.
4
I'm here on behalf of Tip of the
We're located at 426 Bay
The Watershed Council's mission is to
5
restore, protect, and enhance our water resources.
6
We have actually spent the last decade working on the
7
adoption of the Great Lakes Compact and its
8
implementation in Michigan.
9
tremendous success.
The Compact on paper is
The Compact in the real world is
10
a tool to protect the Great Lakes from unwise water
11
use and unnecessary diversions.
12
determined within the next few months by all of you.
13
That will be
As the first request for the Great Lakes
14
diversion under the Great Lakes Compact, the review
15
and decision-making on the Waukesha Diversion
16
Application will establish a value precedent setting
17
the bar for future diversions.
18
yesterday during the meeting, you are, in essence,
19
writing the rules for the Compact.
20
imperative that we get this right.
21
As it was mentioned
As a result, it's
The watershed council recommends the City
22
of Waukesha's water diversion application not be
23
approved in its current form, because it fails to
24
meet the legal and technical requirements put for the
25
in the Compact.
We'll submit more detailed comments
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in writing, but just to highlight a few:
2
Section 494B.
3
quantities that are considered reasonable for the
4
purposes for which it is proposed."
5
Under
"Exception will be limited to
Waukesha's per capita use or demand is
6
declining and has been declining now for about three
7
decades.
8
a significant increase in per capita use.
9
anything, per capital use has declined due to the
10
required implementation of conservation measures.
11
Additionally, under Section 493A of the
Waukesha's demand asked for in 2015 assumes
If
12
Compact, "the water shall be solely used for public
13
water supply purposes of the community within
14
straddling county that is without adequate supplies
15
of potable water."
16
application, including Pewaukee, (indiscernible) have
17
not demonstrated that they are without adequate
18
supply of safe drinking water.
19
The other towns included in the
And the Wisconsin Department of Natural
20
Resources response to the questions submitted by the
21
Department of Environmental Quality of Michigan just
22
(indiscernible) 2016.
23
department did not make the determination about the
24
adequacy of private water supplies in the areas not
25
currently served by the Waukesha's water utility, and
WDNR regularly met.
That the
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it noted that the (indiscernible) would allow water
2
diverted to be served anywhere in the delineated
3
water supply service area, including these
4
communities that are not without adequate drinking
5
water is not consistent with the Great Lakes Compact.
6
Waukesha is the first of the number of
7
communities (indiscernible).
8
Waukesha's Great Lakes Water Diversion Application
9
will set a precedent for future diversion applicants,
10
so we urge you to reject the application.
11
MS. ADAMS:
12
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
13
14
The outcome of the
Thank you.
Kathy Martin, Save the
Dunes, 444 Barker Avenue, Michigan City, Indiana.
Thank you very much for the opportunity to
15
comment on the City of Waukesha's application for
16
Great Lakes diversion under the Great Lakes Compact.
17
I'm here representing Save the Dunes along with a
18
number of other independent organizations:
19
Environmental Council, Indiana Wildlife Federation,
20
League of Women Voters of Indiana Hoosier Chapter,
21
Indiana Division of the Izaak Walton League of
22
America, and the Northwest Indiana Steelheaders.
23
Hoosier
On behalf of these organizations
24
representing thousands of people from Indiana, we are
25
here today to urge you to deny the City of Waukesha's
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application for a Great Lakes diversion.
2
Lakes are a critical contributor to the region, the
3
region's economy, the environment, and quality of
4
life.
5
maintains its meaning and integrity is a necessary
6
measure of protection for the Great Lakes and will
7
safeguard the health and role in the lives of
8
Hoosiers and Great Lakes residents for generations to
9
come.
10
The Great
Ensuring that the Great Lakes Compact
This application is a critical test for the
11
Compact, establishing its effectiveness, and serving
12
as a precedent for subsequent diversion proposals.
13
Allowing an insufficient diversion application to
14
pass, can (indiscernible) future requests.
15
We believe that Waukesha's current
16
application does not meet the Compact requirements
17
and respectfully request that you deny this
18
application on the grounds that it does not meet the
19
exception standard requirements of the Compact.
20
Specifically, we have a following concerns about the
21
application:
22
comments but here is a few.
23
We will go into more detail in written
Waukesha has reasonable less expensive
24
alternatives to meet its water needs.
25
existing wells with radium in order to provide
Treating
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potable water is a feasible option, but the City of
2
Waukesha has not adequately considered in the
3
application.
4
Wisconsin alone have chosen this route and already
5
provide potable drinking water to their residents.
6
Failure to evaluate this alternative on the
7
application is not consistent with the Compact.
8
9
Over three dozen other communities in
Waukesha proposes to diverting Great Lakes
to towns that don't need it.
The City's application
10
proposes that Great Lakes water be diverted to other
11
towns in Waukesha County that may not need water.
12
Too date, none of these communities in the extended
13
service area have demonstrated that it is without
14
adequate supplies of safe drinking water.
15
While Wisconsin statute may dictate that
16
Waukesha include these areas as part of its
17
application, the Compact is clear that a need for
18
water must exist in a community to be eligible for a
19
diversion.
20
Waukesha's diversion application, they must
21
demonstrate that they meet all requirements of the
22
Compact, including that they are without adequate
23
supplies of potable water and there is no reasonable
24
water supply alternative, including conservation
25
before the application is approved.
If these areas are included as part of
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Waukesha has not demonstrated adequate
2
conservation and efficiency implementation.
3
the Compact requires conservation and efficiency
4
measures be implemented prior to applying for a
5
diversion to avoid (indiscernible) a diversion.
6
Waukesha has not fully implemented its conservation
7
plan and is missing key components.
8
nothing in the record --
9
MS. ADAMS:
Additionally
Time is up.
10
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
11
MS. ADAMS:
12
While
Thank you.
Please submit your written
comments as well.
13
Before you begin I would like to line up
14
one more speaker, Robert Balleon if you are here.
15
would invite you to stand in line.
16
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
All right.
17
Louise Segroves.
18
for Environmental Advocacy.
19
Exchange Street, St. Paul, Minnesota.
20
We
My name is
I represent the Minnesota Center
We're at 26 East
We really get that this is an issue of
21
accountability.
22
the development of the Great Lakes Compact.
23
2007, Minnesota was the first state to approve the
24
Compact.
25
a stake in the management of Great Lakes resources
Minnesota played a leading role in
And in
We believe that all Great Lakes states have
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throughout the basin.
2
we need a strong council in order to hold every state
3
accountable to the other states in the basin and to
4
protect the valuable waters from individual interests
5
and individual agendas.
6
We need a strong Compact, and
Prior to working in advocacy, I worked for
7
years as an environmental review and permitting
8
specialist.
9
project with conflicting natural resources impacts,
I worked on a large infrastructure
10
so I'm really, really trying to trade off some of the
11
constraints of projects like this one at least.
12
I have drawn on my experience to take a
13
technical look at Waukesha's proposal, and this is
14
what I see.
15
request relative to their growth and development
16
goals.
17
(indiscernible) their regulatory obligations.
18
now really it's up to the council, and we're relying
19
on the Council to ensure the kind of accountability
20
that the Compact represents.
21
The City of Waukesha has developed a
The Wisconsin DNR has evaluated the proposal
And
We're looking to the council to ensure that
22
the waters and the water-dependent natural resources
23
of the basin are effectively managed for the benefit
24
of the entire region.
25
Compact, which helps to lay out what accountability
I looked at Section 419 of the
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really looks like.
2
on diversions only if no other reasonable alternative
3
exists.
4
It allows a ban to the exception
I agree with the speakers that have come
5
before me this afternoon that have pointed to
6
considerable between Waukesha's proposal and the
7
Compact's really very specific provisions for
8
diversion exceptions.
9
There is one issue that I believe is
10
critical when it comes to accountability, and that's
11
the fact that we've proven other alternatives are
12
available.
13
and dismissed a number of treatment and
14
(indiscernible) to meet Waukesha's expanded future
15
demand.
16
constrained by the EIS process.
17
own definition of what's reasonable when rejecting
18
options that can better protect the integrity of the
19
Great Lakes.
20
and the (indiscernible) of the process is really
21
focused on what's right for Wisconsin, but the
22
Compact requires council to review proposals with the
23
protection of the integrity of the Great Lakes in
24
mind and as the overarching principle.
25
Waukesha and the Wisconsin DNR evaluated
But the (indiscernible) analysis was
They relied on their
Wisconsin's environmental review laws
Holding all the Great Lakes accountable to
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one another means pushing states to look to proven
2
alternatives diversion, we need a strong Compact and
3
we need a strong council to hold each state
4
accountable to protect the Great Lakes and their
5
waters from individual interests and agendas.
6
7
So we urge you to deny in its entirety
Waukesha's request.
Thank you.
8
MS. ADAMS:
9
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
I am not Marge.
I'm
10
Carol Lombard, a former mayor of Waukesha.
11
here at 1:00 o'clock.
12
80-year-old husband is home recovering from bypass
13
surgery, my friends.
14
MS. ADAMS:
I'm (indiscernible) my
I will speak very quickly.
Ma'am, if you would, please
15
identify who you are.
16
that didn't appear, so please proceed.
17
I was
You are the third such speaker
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Thank you.
Carol J.
18
Lombardi, 200 South Greenfield Avenue, Waukesha.
19
I've lived in Waukesha 72 years.
20
eight years.
21
this water issue.
22
until 2006.
23
Milwaukee were on the very aquifer until Milwaukee
24
got Lake Michigan water in the beginning of the '60s.
25
At that time, that aquifer was already drawn down
I was the mayor for
I'm the genesis of the beginning of
I was elected in '98, and I served
To let you know, that Waukesha and
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50 percent.
2
now are the victim of that drawdown.
We got closer to the contaminants, we
3
To let you know that, if you want to Google
4
me, Lombardi. Lombardi was the other football guy; he
5
was a winner too.
6
community and loving this community as I have.
7
immediately met with the Milwaukee mayor, Tom, who
8
was here earlier, asking if Waukesha could be
9
considered as one of their buyers of the additional
But I'm a winner working in this
I
10
water that they no longer needed.
11
several meetings behind closed doors, that it didn't
12
seem that that could possibly happen.
13
I was told, after
To let you know, Google all of this because
14
it did make the news.
15
radio, in fact.
16
this community is at this time of the history, please
17
endorse what we are requesting at this time for this
18
community.
19
I was on Canadian public
But to share with you that where
To also quickly tell you that I also worked
20
in the Waukesha schools.
21
now turned 80 last week, and I don't know how that's
22
happened, but to let you know that the school
23
district of Waukesha which has seven municipalities
24
and, again, I worked in the administration, et
25
cetera.
I earlier retired at 57.
I
We currently have over 50 percent of our
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student population of 13,000 that qualify for free
2
breakfast, lunch, et cetera.
3
So our statistics are coming from as to
4
what this community truly is, I call myself the
5
statue of liberty.
6
hungry, and your poor.
7
We have the affordable housing, we have all the
8
Social Services, we have the hospitals, the
9
communities of education, et cetera.
10
It was give us your tired, your
Waukesha city opens its door.
But to stress again to you, please consider
11
seriously.
12
water and that puddle of big water, or do we talk
13
about the value of the humanness and also the
14
wetlands that this community is in desperate need at
15
this time to have this.
16
Do we talk about again that teaspoon of
And to also tell you I was a travel
17
consultant and I have been in every one of your
18
states plus the two provinces, so thank you and
19
travel safely back.
20
MS. ADAMS:
21
Okay.
Thank you.
It's now 6:00, this is the time that
22
we have scheduled for a 30-minute dinner break, and I
23
think we are all ready for a break, including the
24
court reporter who has been very diligent.
25
have quite a substantial number of forms here of
We still
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folks who are interested in speaking.
2
to hear from all of you.
3
as a person there's more than seventy forms still
4
here.
5
prepared to reconvene at 6:30 and continue to hear
6
your comments.
7
join us.
We would love
We recognize that for you
It's going to take a while, but we are
So we encourage you to come back and
Thank you.
8
(Off the record at 6:00 p.m.)
9
MR. CHAIRMAN:
Good evening.
The hearing
10
will now resume.
11
I would like to say that we appreciate all of you
12
coming tonight.
13
think it was needed by many.
14
everyone for coming back, that is back.
15
continue to hear your comments.
16
thank everyone for, quite honestly, being very civil,
17
respectful, and polite tonight.
18
It is now 6:35 p.m.
First of all,
And I apologize for the break, but I
We would like to thank
We will
I would like to
I think it's a tribute to all of you, and
19
we don't always see that type of a thing, so it's
20
great.
Thank you.
21
MS. ADAMS:
22
Welcome back everyone.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
We will continue
23
with our practice that we had where we will call four
24
or five names at a time and ask them to come to the
25
microphone, and the first person to speak after the
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break here would be our 50th commenter of the
2
evening.
3
If Marty Balleon is here, we called him up
4
before.
5
Johnson.
6
Johnson, Wallace Sambrose.
7
and see what happens.
Clare Vanderslice, Don Hammes, Barbara
8
I'm just throwing out five people.
9
Barbara
Let's start with those
Sir?
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Members of the Regional
Body and Governor's council, my name is Don Hammes.
10
I live at 3507 Valley Ridge Road in Middleton,
11
Wisconsin.
12
Muir Chapter, Executive Committee.
13
I am vice chair of the Sierra Club, John
On behalf of the 15,000 members of the John
14
Muir Chapter of the Sierra Club of Wisconsin, I am
15
here to express the chapter's opposition to the City
16
of Waukesha's application to divert Great Lakes water
17
under the Great Lakes-St. Lawrence River Basin Water
18
Resources Compact.
19
As most everyone here knows, the Compact
20
bans water diversions outside of the Great Lakes
21
basin with very limited exceptions.
22
applying for a diversion must demonstrate that it has
23
exhausted all available options to obtain water.
24
City of Waukesha has most certainly not met this
25
burden.
Any community
The
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In 2000, Waukesha was determined to be one
2
of more than fifty Wisconsin communities with too
3
much radium in its water.
4
asked to take action to make their water safe to
5
drink by 2006.
6
treatment and other means, but not the City of
7
Waukesha.
8
diversion option that promises to cost 150 million
9
more than a non-diversion alternative that would fix
10
11
These communities were
Most did, by investing in radium
Instead, Waukesha proposed a Great Lakes
the problem.
That alternative would enable Waukesha to
12
meet its drinking water needs by adding common sense
13
available treatment technologies to its deep
14
groundwater wells, while continuing to use its
15
shallow wells.
16
In addition, Waukesha's diversion
17
application is based not on the needs of its current
18
city residents, but rather on the purported needs of
19
households in Waukesha and portions of other
20
neighboring communities which are included in a far
21
larger water supply service area.
22
This expanded water supply service area
23
almost doubles the size of the City's current water
24
supply service area.
25
meet two of the Compact's central requirements.
This expanded area fails to
They
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have not shown any real need for Great Lakes water,
2
and they have not demonstrated significant water
3
conservation efforts to date.
4
5
Moreover, there has been ample evidence
provided by the National Wildlife Federation.
6
MS. ADAMS:
Sir, your time is up.
We
7
encourage you to submit your written comments.
8
you.
9
The next group.
Thank
Robert Winsett, Dennis
10
Briley, Jeff Garretson, Richard Hempkey, Michael
11
Hahn.
12
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
I'm Dennis Briley.
I
13
live in N9 W27353 Jacquelyn Drive.
14
City of Pewaukee, but within 100 feet of the City of
15
Waukesha.
16
Waukesha County that really promoted helping
17
Wisconsin to adopt the Great Lakes Compact, and I'd
18
like to see that we have reached this point where
19
you're here today listening to this application.
20
knowing the -- what the exact requirements are, this
21
application doesn't meet the requirements.
22
on the Waukesha County Water Conservation Council for
23
a number of years, and I learned a lot about water
24
conservation.
25
home, and found that we could save what the
That's within the
I worked with the group of people in
But
I served
I tried those practices in my own
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literature says, 20 percent -- 20 to 30 percent of
2
household water usage.
3
So to just speak about the water
4
conservation aspects of the failure to meet the
5
requirement, Waukesha has done the bare minimum, and
6
much of that is what they're going to do, not what
7
they have done.
8
incentive for people to replace older toilets, but
9
they could very well have paid the total cost of
And as an example, they provided
10
replacing all the toilets -- older toilets in
11
Waukesha city, and it would be much, much lower than
12
the large cost that this diversion is going to cost.
13
Another example is the technology is coming
14
along for reuse of water in residences.
15
had some trial installations already.
16
to be costly, but shouldn't -- this isn't a cost
17
issue.
18
Waukesha be required to have their water technology.
19
There are many more, and I won't go on with them.
20
You probably know them.
21
that I'm on in the City of Pewaukee may go dry, but
22
that's my relationship with my City of Pewaukee to
23
make application.
24
people within the water utility area.
25
and ask the City of Pewaukee to apply at the point
Waukesha has
That's going
Should we not have new homes coming to
But at some point, the well
Waukesha is supposed to speak for
So I'll wait
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Thank you.
2
MS. ADAMS:
3
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
I'm Michael Hahn, Deputy
4
Director of the Southern Wisconsin Regional Planning
5
Commission.
6
City of Pewaukee.
7
opportunity to comment today.
8
9
And W239 N1812 Rockwood Drive in the
And thanks very much for the
In December 2010, the Regional Planning
Commission published a Regional Water Supply Plan for
10
the entire seven-county Southeastern Wisconsin
11
Region.
12
advisory committee that included representatives from
13
municipal water utilities, county government, DNR,
14
Wisconsin Geological and Natural History Survey, U.S.
15
Geological Survey, (indiscernible), University of
16
Wisconsin Milwaukee faculty, and private industrial.
17
Preparation and planning was guided by an
The plan objective was to make
18
recommendations for providing a sustainable water
19
supply for the entire region through the year 2035.
20
And the plan evaluated surface water and groundwater
21
supply sources and the effects of expanded shallow
22
well resources on surface water resources such as
23
streams, lakes, and wetlands.
24
alternative plans, the best combinations of surface
25
and groundwater supply including combinations of
Four regional
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shallow and deep aquifer wells, expansion of Lake
2
Michigan supply in the Great Lakes Basin, provision
3
of a Lake Michigan supply in selected Mississippi
4
River Basin consistent with the requirements of the
5
Great Lakes Compact, water conservation, and
6
groundwater recharge enhancement.
7
From those alternatives, two composite
8
plans were developed for the entire region.
9
components are clamshell municipal wells and storage
Common
10
facilities.
11
Lake Michigan Basin for the surface water supply and
12
conversions of two straddling communities, New Berlin
13
and Muskego for the Lake Michigan supply, subject to
14
the terms of the Great Lakes Compact.
15
Conversions in selected areas of the
Differences between the two composite plans
16
are, one, considered expanded shallow aquifer supply
17
from Waukesha, and the other considered Lake Michigan
18
supply for Waukesha.
19
requirements of the Great Lakes Compact.
20
Once again, meeting the
The recommended plan calls for Waukesha to
21
seek a Lake Michigan supply consistent with the
22
requirements of the Company and state law, and the
23
plan specifically recognizes that more detailed
24
engineering, legal, and environmental analysis would
25
be required.
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Of all the options considered, the
2
recommended plan is considered to best provide
3
long-term sustainability of the deep aquifer,
4
reduction in the chloride discharges to surface
5
waters, and improvements to groundwater dry basin.
6
The plan was approved by the advisory
7
committee and adopted by the commission.
8
approved the City application despite (indiscernible)
9
that need to be placed on discharges to the Root
The DNR
10
River, and we believe very strongly that those should
11
be reapplied.
12
Finally, the proposal by the City to obtain
13
a Lake Michigan supply subject to requirements of the
14
Compact and state law, is consistent with and would
15
serve to implement the region, and we respectfully
16
request that the Regional Body consider the forgoing
17
information and its conclusion in developing its
18
declaration plan.
19
MS. ADAMS:
Okay.
Let's try another group
20
of speakers.
21
Greg West, Mark Vegas, Mary Lynn Robinson.
22
of those folks here?
23
Bill Boyle, Brian Depies, D-e-p-i-e-s,
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
And any
Thank you for this
24
opportunity to speak.
25
live at W143 N9867 Ridgebrook Lane, Germantown,
My name is Brian Depies, I
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Wisconsin.
2
and work in Waukesha county.
3
the Waukesha County Water Conservation Coalition, and
4
have been since 2010.
5
a few of the water conservation methods undertaken by
6
the Waukesha Water Utility, which I am familiar with
7
because of my involvement in this organization.
8
9
I'm a residents of southeast Wisconsin
I'm also a member of
I would like to share with you
Sprinkling ordinance restrictions adopted
and implemented, changes to the rate structure to
10
incentivize water conservation, a finding in fixing
11
water leaks program, educational programs and
12
partnerships, and many other programs implemented
13
over the last several years.
14
Approximately two years ago, the Waukesha
15
County Water Conservation Coalition broadly discussed
16
the implementation of a WaterSense-approved
17
irrigation systems within new residential
18
developments throughout Waukesha county.
19
we do that?
20
Waukesha Water Utility took this idea and recently
21
implemented their own irrigation rebate program for
22
the Cloverland Farms Development to incentivize new
23
residential construction to implement WaterSense
24
irrigation systems.
25
How could
How could that possibly happen?
The
Based on this one recent example and my
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previous personal experiences as a member of the
2
Waukesha County Water Conservation Coalition,
3
Waukesha Water Utility has implemented programs that
4
conserve water and promote water conservation for the
5
City of Waukesha.
Thank you.
6
MS. ADAMS:
7
We'll go to the next group.
8
Ezra Meyer, Suzanne Share.
9
10
11
If any of these
people are here, please step forward to the
microphone.
Jeff Lang, Jeff Hoffmann.
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
I'm still here, and
12
thanks for still being here, you folks.
I'm
13
appreciative of that.
Water
14
Resources Specialist with Clean Wisconsin, long time
15
active member of the Compact Coalition.
16
is 634 West Main Street, Madison, Wisconsin, 53703.
17
Ezra Meyer here.
The address
Id like to build on the comments made by my
18
colleagues from Wisconsin Ground Basin and this
19
specifically addresses the reasonable water supply
20
alternative question.
21
standard for the Compact's exception under diversions
22
to straddling towns and communities.
Clearly a key threshold
23
Through the iterations of the application
24
from Waukesha, we repeatedly see the community lead
25
unanswered the fundamental question:
What source of
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supply would Waukesha use going forward if Great
2
Lakes were not an option?
3
To this day the application fails to answer
4
this question, but how can any of us evaluate the
5
reasonable water supply alternatives lacking that
6
information.
7
requests to fill in this crucial information gap, our
8
coalition and Wisconsin's DNR were both forced to
9
undertake to examine what local groundwater experts
Given that Waukesha ignored repeated
10
had long pointed out were better options for Waukesha
11
than those examined by the application.
12
We hired independent technical experts and
13
the department staff created a new alternative
14
scenario, and ran more appropriate models than those
15
chosen by Waukesha to evaluate impacts.
16
the department say those -- that option ran into some
17
trouble under Wisconsin's definition of reasonable
18
water supply alternatives, but that's only because
19
Waukesha's proposed greatly expanded service area
20
drives unjustified increased future water needs that
21
are frankly beyond any reasonable definition of
22
reasonable.
23
As you heard
Given our legal and technical assessment of
24
the proposed expanded service area and its example
25
Compact and Wisconsin law problems, we quickly shift
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our attention to a scenario we've come to call the
2
non-diversion solution.
3
current water supply service area would be served by
4
the utility going forward, with normal commercial,
5
industrial, residential development and attendant
6
water use and, of course, the required water
7
conservation efficiency measures.
8
9
Where essentially Waukesha's
Our experts found that Waukesha could meet
the water needs of that area both now and into the
10
foreseeable future with much less expense by simply
11
mixing additional water treatment on some of its
12
existing wells, and some additional infrastructure to
13
allow blending of water from the two aquifers the
14
utility currently uses and meet the state and federal
15
water quality laws.
16
dozens of other Wisconsin utilities have addressed
17
their radium issues with blending and/or treatment.
18
It's worth mentioning that
We see no legal conflict with Wisconsin law
19
in defining Waukesha's best future water supply
20
scenario in this way.
21
Now, we understand that the department has
22
looked at the non-diversion solutions that were
23
introduced into the record last summer, and we're
24
reviewing that information with our experts and will
25
submit their analysis and response in writing before
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your March deadline.
2
That said, though, given what we know now
3
(indiscernible) solution with a viable, feasible, and
4
reasonable alternative.
5
reasonable water supply alternative alone is grounds
6
denying this application.
7
reasonable alternatives is part of the high bar the
8
Compact set for exceptions to the ban on divisions
9
and granting Waukesha's request would (indiscernible)
The existence of this
Proof of a lack of
10
and lower that bar, setting an extremely bad
11
precedent.
Thank you.
12
MS. ADAMS:
13
Okay.
I see no other speakers from that
14
group.
15
Marcia Mueller, Luisa Pieche, P-i-e-c-h-e, Carol
16
O'Neill, Paul Cling, Bob Hall, Matthew Nuremburg,
17
Patricia Maise, Gregory Francis Byrd, Patrick
18
Henderson.
19
Let's call another group.
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Paul Hudson,
Good evening, everybody.
20
As I have said, Pat Henderson.
21
public affairs for Quad/Graphics.
22
commercial printing company with locations in 21
23
states including every one of the states that is up
24
there on the stage.
25
have about 7,000, just over 7,000 employees, I'd say
I'm the director of
Quad is a large
So -- and here in Wisconsin we
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about 5,000 of those live and work in or around the
2
Waukesha area here.
3
In a previous life I was Deputy Secretary
4
of Wisconsin DNR and I was Governor Doyle's
5
representative among the Great Lakes governors during
6
the Compact negotiations, as well as led his efforts
7
to enact Wisconsin's legislation.
8
see some familiar faces up there.
9
So it's nice to
I have got to say, I find it curious that
10
the water service area has generated as much
11
controversy as it has today, as it has been and was a
12
key part of both the regional Compact negotiations as
13
well as the Wisconsin (indiscernible) legislation,
14
was to build off the idea services should not be
15
limited by municipal boundaries, but rather by water
16
service areas.
17
This was done to build off of Wisconsin's
18
highly successful wastewater treatment laws that
19
encourages cooperation of one community to combine
20
efforts to control local costs which results in
21
multiple communities being served by one water
22
supplier and to assure that the water supply system
23
serving multiple communities that there would only be
24
one application submitted by the water supply
25
authority rather than multiple jurisdictions making
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several requests for small amounts of water.
2
And by using water service areas we ensure
3
that decisions are made utilizing the long-term water
4
use projections.
5
jurisdictions are using sound planning with realistic
6
population growth as well as actual industrial needs.
7
Additionally, it ensures that
During the Compact negotiations, it became
8
clear that in every state and in Canada there were so
9
many potential jurisdictions that we simply could not
10
list them all for fear that we would unintentionally
11
miss them.
12
ensure that enough flexibility that would include
13
necessary service areas, and it was from these
14
discussions that we developed the language
15
(indiscernible).
16
Therefore, Wisconsin proposed a change to
It should be noted that no one objected to
17
the water supply service areas during the regional
18
Compact negotiations, nor did anyone object to or
19
report that the area violated the Compact when
20
Wisconsin limitation bills passed in a bipartisan
21
basis in 2008, and then ratified by the U.S.
22
(indiscernible) whose job it was to ensure that the
23
state and -- each state had adopted Compact-compliant
24
laws.
25
Wisconsin's (indiscernible) legislation
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includes water service area in an effort to comply
2
with the Compact acceptance standard, and the state's
3
(indiscernible) apply to all applicable municipal,
4
state, and federal laws.
5
means service area being here.
And in Wisconsin, that
6
So I just would give you -- I hope that you
7
give a lot of weight to the presentation you heard at
8
the beginning of the day by the Wisconsin DNR,
9
because I think it answers a lot of the questions.
10
And we certainly encourage you to be supportive of
11
the application.
Thank you.
12
MS. ADAMS:
13
We will read through another list of forms.
14
David Allen Sartori.
15
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
16
MS. ADAMS:
Sartori.
Sartori.
Okay.
So you will be
17
first.
Let me read a couple more names.
18
Conye.
Someone who lives on Samaritan Court in East
19
Troy who didn't put their name on the form.
20
you're here come on down.
21
Slatey, Wally Marks, Eric Coldwater.
22
please step forward.
Mr. Sartori, your comments?
24
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
gentlemen.
If
Joanne Chansey, Peter
23
25
Jeffrey
If you're here
Good evening, ladies and
My name is David Sartori, and I live at
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6000 South Buckhorn Avenue in the beautiful City of
2
Cudahy, Wisconsin.
3
I would first of all like to welcome all of
4
the panelists to this hearing, and I would like to
5
extend an appreciation by me on how respectful and
6
attendant this panel has been during the two past
7
days that I have been observing you.
8
the course of my life, attended a few public
9
hearings, and in any event, I want to especially
I have, during
10
extend a very warm welcome to our dear friends in
11
Canada who are here.
12
Lake Michigan.
13
of Lake Michigan.
14
The City of Cudahy borders on
My home is precisely 1 kilometer west
I support the application by the City of
15
Waukesha.
16
support science.
17
through the City of Milwaukee is appropriate or
18
whether a diversion through the City of Oak Creek is
19
appropriate.
20
state that I support this.
21
I've listened for the past two days.
I
I don't know if a water diversion
All I want to do is go on the record to
This past September, my wife and I took a
22
nine-day cruise on our Great Lakes.
23
Chicago and we ended in the beautiful City of
24
Montreal.
25
21 percent of our planet's fresh water is in our five
We left from
I just want to say that I know that
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Great Lakes.
2
Again, I don't think the City of Waukesha
3
is doing anything frivolous.
4
future, the future health of the City of Waukesha, I
5
think it qualifies as an exception under the Compact.
6
And, again, I want to thank all of the panelists and
7
thank you for your very respectful and attentive
8
attention to the speakers.
9
MS. ADAMS:
I think for their
Thank you.
10
Sir, your name?
11
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
12
Walter R Marks, M-a-r-k-s.
13
Drive in Greendale, Wisconsin.
14
suburban community of Milwaukee.
15
Good evening.
My name is
I live at 5850 Riverside
That's a southwest
I've got a couple of things on my mind, and
16
I am speaking for myself.
17
the water request, the terms "most reasonable" and
18
"best" are often tossed around for tentative
19
solutions.
20
are and how heavily they are weighted in the
21
decision-making process.
22
to be environmental, health, reliability, like a
23
pipeline that might suffer from a construction
24
accident, quality and economy.
25
In the media coverage of
I don't know for sure what the criteria
The factors involved seem
Speaking on quality and economy, I would
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like to point out that Waukesha is not a poor
2
community.
3
of Wisconsin.
4
Pewaukee and whatnot, are rather affluent.
5
observation is that wealth tends to emphasize quality
6
over economy.
7
careful to differentiate between wants and needs.
8
9
Probably on average wealthier than most
The cities further west, Delafield and
And my
So I would like to request that you be
Perhaps Waukesha is too focused on quality,
and especially with the affluent communities they
10
intend to serve, it would be a tough sell if water
11
was standing, if it smells.
12
fixed, and that brings up another subject and that is
13
competition for attracting wealthy individuals and
14
businesses to Waukesha in competition with Milwaukee.
15
Lake Michigan water is
I believe that Waukesha will, in the
16
future, promote their beautiful city as having water
17
as good as Milwaukee.
18
thing.
19
leads to more transportation, and we have an air
20
quality problem here in Southeastern Wisconsin; a
21
blend of gasoline and ethanol and all that kind of
22
stuff.
23
24
25
That's a political type of
But getting right to the point, urban sprawl
So consider respiratory.
MS. ADAMS:
Your time is up, sir.
We would
welcome your written comments as well.
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Thank you all.
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So I will go through some more
2
speaker forms and see who is here.
3
C-o-r-r-e-s.
4
five or six names and see what happens.
5
Shelobrick, Jennifer Bolger Breceda, Laurie Longtine.
Peggy Wolf, Tracy -- I'll read about
6
Yes, ma'am.
7
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
8
Vivian Corres,
Tracy
Good evening.
A couple
of things.
9
MS. ADAMS:
Identify yourself, please.
10
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
11
Drive, Waukesha Wisconsin.
12
district 7 of Waukesha, I was on the water utility
13
board for a year and studied this issue in-depth.
14
The points that were made by the DNR in the 2:00 --
15
the 2:00 show that we had here, are the issues that
16
I'm speaking to today.
17
Peggy Wolf, 223 Debbie
As a former alderwoman,
Over the years, since this debate began,
18
and I was there when it began, whatever concerns the
19
conservation group has voiced, the water utility has
20
answered.
21
these complaints into means that now we hear repeated
22
from here to New York state, op-eds in Minneapolis,
23
Grand Rapids, Michigan, that I know about.
24
are talking points that are here and if you review
25
the Sierra Club's quarterly publication that they
But the conservation groups have turned
And there
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I'm a card carrying member.
2
But when I got on the City council, when I
3
realized that my vote was for my 4500 people, when I
4
went to the water utility meetings and I saw the
5
engineers with the reports, we looked at the
6
conditions of the wells, we looked at maps of
7
southeast Wisconsin going into northern Illinois, and
8
you see the drawdown map for year after year after
9
year, the red, the very deepest, is -- it comes out
10
of Waukesha county, it's going under Waukesha, and it
11
moves forever west.
12
So when people say there is adequate
13
amounts of water, how many years into the future are
14
we looking.
15
looking twenty, fifty years into the future.
16
trying to say, okay, it's not a crisis now, your --
17
house values in Waukesha have not gone to zero
18
because there's no water and we all have to buy
19
houses in Wauwatosa so we can take a shower.
20
not going to get there.
21
prudent planning.
22
Dan Duchniak and the water utility are
Why should we?
We're
We're
That's not
And so you take the issues that Waukesha
23
didn't do their homework, that we all need to be very
24
scared, that this is the first diversion, and so on.
25
MS. ADAMS:
Thank you.
That's your three
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minutes.
2
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
3
MS. ADAMS:
4
Feel free to submit your
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Would you like the
magazine?
7
MS. ADAMS:
8
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
9
Yes, ma'am.
written comments as well.
5
6
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Certainly, thank you.
Hi, I'm Jennifer Bolger
Breceda, Executive Director for the Milwaukee
10
Riverkeeper, and I'm also a member of the Compact
11
Implementation Coalition.
12
On behalf of the CIC and all its partners
13
and thousand and thousands of members around the
14
Great Lakes, I want to thank the Compact Council for
15
the opportunity to comment on the proposal by
16
Waukesha.
17
staff at the DNR has done for many years and the
18
iterations of Waukesha's application.
19
want to thank the individual members of the Regional
20
Body for coming here today and listening to the
21
important comments that we bring you.
22
to many of you also for hosting public comment
23
periods in your own states and provinces.
24
25
We appreciate all the hard work that the
And I also
And thank you
Before I begin I just want to make a quick
comment that many of the names that you are calling
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are likely individuals who came to testify and
2
express their opposition of this application.
3
a bus of over twenty people come, and they were not
4
able to stay past a certain time and they had to
5
leave.
6
We had
And I thought you should be aware of that.
The (indiscernible) water diversions
7
outside the Great Lakes Basin with limited
8
exceptions.
9
Lakes water is precedent-setting test of the Compact.
The City of Waukesha request for Great
10
And as several of you agreed yesterday during a
11
briefing, it's critical that we get this right.
12
simply the process, but the standards and the
13
ultimate decision.
14
the law, and let me tell you why.
15
Not
This request is deficient under
Including the expanded service area in
16
Waukesha's water diversion application and asking you
17
to approve an application on the pretext the state
18
law will create funding on loop holes and corrupt the
19
essence of the Great Lakes Compact.
20
Waukesha's application does not meet the
21
definition of community need because it includes
22
further areas and entire communities outside of city
23
limits that have their own sufficient groundwater
24
supplies and yet they need Great Lakes water in order
25
to implement a planned conservation (indiscernible).
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Waukesha's application does not meet the
2
requirements of the Compact because an independent
3
technical analysis done on the state of the art
4
treatment technology Waukesha can provide local,
5
safe, and sustainable water supply at half the cost.
6
It doesn't need to use the antiquated expensive
7
technology of a pipeline.
8
9
Waukesha has not done all it needed to do
to implement water conservation (indiscernible) to
10
reduce water use in the expanded service area is not
11
implemented (indiscernible).
12
Waukesha does not meet requirements that
13
Compacts require any diversion to protect and sustain
14
the physical, chemical, biological integrity of the
15
receiving water.
16
as impaired for excessive phosphorus and sediment.
17
The DNR (indiscernible) discharge will potentially
18
result in a significant lowering of water quality
19
over some of the discharge pollutants from Waukesha
20
return flow; peet, phosphorous, and chloride.
21
The Root River is federally listed
MS. ADAMS:
Your time is up.
That's your
22
three minutes.
23
will encourage to submit in writing your additional
24
comments.
25
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
And I
Thank you, I will.
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Laurie Longtine, W271
2
S3581 Oak Knoll Drive, Waukesha.
3
the Town of Waukesha, therefore an involuntary
4
resident of the expanded water service area, and,
5
therefore, part of the City's diversion application.
6
I'm a resident of
My organization, the Waukesha County
7
Environmental Action League opposes this application
8
for many significant reasons, but I speak today about
9
the expanded water service area.
For the last 16
10
years, not only have I lived it, but I'm living in
11
it.
12
miles of rural and semi-rural lands and townships
13
that have stated that they do not now need and do not
14
foresee a need for municipal water.
15
water service area nearly doubles in size the
16
existing water service area.
The water service area encompasses 22 square
17
The expanded
The City of Waukesha currently uses
18
6.6 million gallons of water a day, but the amount it
19
asks for is up to 16.7 million gallons per day, an
20
indication that it is more concerned with future
21
growth than addressing the needs of its current
22
residents.
23
expanded water service area rely entirely on private
24
wells and septic systems.
25
the means nor the inclination to institute even basic
Existing residents and businesses in the
The townships have neither
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water conservation measures.
2
measure baseline water use.
3
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In fact, cannot even
The City's ignorance of this obvious fact
4
and its inclusion of these areas in its application,
5
regardless, demonstrate the lack of seriousness with
6
which it treats the Compact's conservation
7
requirement.
8
annexation of hundreds of acres outside its then
9
borders, approved subdivisions large and small,
For decades Waukesha embraced the
10
courted commercial sprawl, and permitted multi-unit
11
buildings without asking if it even had the means to
12
supply the growth, and while claiming crisis of
13
radium contaminated water and a drop of the ground
14
water table.
15
Yesterday you were taken on a bus tour of
16
infrastructure, you were in and out of the expanded
17
water service area, but I'm guessing that wasn't
18
mentioned.
19
stretch of State Highway 1, both sides with big box
20
retail, commercial, and industrial development,
21
completely outside the City's borders, but completely
22
within the expanded service area documented on the
23
City's land-use plan.
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25
What else did you not see?
A 5-mile
You also didn't get an accurate map showing
the size of the expanded water service area in
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relation to the current water service area, the one
2
you were shown was -- showed the existing and
3
expanded service areas as if they were one.
4
The expanded water service area, plus the
5
City of Waukesha, fails to meet the definition of a
6
community, fails to justify its need, and fails to
7
meet the exception standards of the Great Lakes
8
Compact.
9
trust Waukesha to set this most critical precedent
10
Please fail its application.
for the Great Lakes Compact.
Please do not
Thank you.
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MS. ADAMS:
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Now I'll go through the next group of
13
speaker forms.
14
like F-o-n-s.
15
Steve, Schmuki, S-c-h-m-u-k-i.
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Paul Thornton, Sandy Hamm.
17
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Riley Ballot.
Gerry Fons, it looks
Sharon Majewski, M-a-j-e-w-s-k-i.
Steve Baas, B-a-a-s.
Good evening.
My name is
18
Steve Schmuki, and I'm the president of the Waukesha
19
County Environmental Action League, and almost
20
forty-year-old grass roots environmental organization
21
here in Waukesha County.
22
resident of the Town of Waukesha, part of a requested
23
expanded water supply area.
24
Diversion Application.
25
I'm also a life-long
We oppose the Waukesha
We didn't always oppose the diversion
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application, and, in fact, for years we have awaited
2
a diversion application that we could support.
3
years we have been assured that the application would
4
set a high-bar precedent for any diversions to
5
follow.
6
to the mayors, the Common Council, the citizens, and
7
the Wisconsin DNR.
8
not been adequately addressed within the letter and
9
the spirit of the Great Lakes Compact.
10
For
For years we have articulated our concerns
For years, those concerns have
For years we have hoped that Wisconsin DNR
11
would fulfill its duty to uphold the tenets of the
12
Compact and protect the world class resource we are
13
so lucky to have.
14
conservation organization partners, we have advocated
15
for the strongest protections possible in the Great
16
Lakes Compact.
17
possibility that these world class waters could be
18
protected from the threats that are in the trends
19
that have become in the future.
With our environmental and
We knew that the Compact held the
20
We believe in the promise of the Great
21
Lakes Compact, that diversions outside the Great
22
Lakes Basin will be subject to the great scrutiny,
23
the most stringent standards, and only approved, if
24
ever, when there was absolutely no other option.
25
Today and every day since 2008 when the
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Compact was signed by President Bush, we've also
2
worked to uphold the integrity of the Compact and
3
thus the Great Lakes themselves.
4
has been nothing but that.
5
Our mission is and
To the GL governors, Canadian premiers,
6
(indiscernible), it's in your hands now.
7
your hands to keep the promise of the Great Lakes
8
Compact.
9
And it's in
Today an application is before you that
10
meets neither the letter or the spirit of the
11
Compact:
12
at best, a conservation plan that fails to implement
13
its own measures for meeting its own deadlines.
14
water service area, as you've heard, that includes 22
15
square miles of rural and semi-rural lands and
16
townships that have stated that they do not now need
17
nor do they foresee a need for Great Lakes water.
18
city that seeks an amount of water that is nearly
19
three times the amount that it currently uses, a city
20
that has spent years and millions of dollars
21
attempting to avoid compliance with the EPA's radium
22
standard and is now using the issue to gain advantage
23
other under the Compact.
24
25
Conservation measures that are incomplete
This is a big deal.
A
A
Ladies and gentlemen,
the region's eyes are upon you; our eyes are upon
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you.
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application, uphold the integrity of the Great Lakes
3
Compact, and keep the promise that was made.
We respectfully ask that you deny Waukesha's
4
MS. ADAMS:
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AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Good evening.
My name is
6
Sandy Hamm.
7
the Town of Waukesha.
8
(indiscernible), and his son Joseph was my second
9
cousin.
Milky Way Road.
Life-long resident of
My great, great uncle was
And each in turn ran our water utility.
10
Even back then, radium was a problem for the water
11
utility.
12
plan to take the City's (indiscernible), clean it,
13
and put it back into the Fox River downstream and
14
build a lake to reuse the water.
15
Before retirement Joe was involved in a
The City of Waukesha is in the business of
16
growth; they make no secret of it.
17
opposition to the exceptional allowed by the Compact,
18
as it is adding land to the water service area that
19
doesn't need Great Lakes water.
20
for more water than it now uses.
21
growth, not for those currently here.
22
This is in
Waukesha is asking
This is to support
The City has annexed nearly countless acres
23
and expanded internally all while being unable to
24
supply clean water to their current population.
25
should make it clear to this body how little the City
That
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of Waukesha respects the region's natural resources.
2
The City of Waukesha has exercised no
3
restraint while under the EPA's orders.
4
City has annexed many hundreds of acres from the Town
5
of Waukesha so the owners can tap into the City's
6
water and sewer resources, resources the City doesn't
7
even have.
8
9
Recently the
As I speak, land developers are adding
hundreds of new apartments along with a Meijer store.
10
The City has proven they will not await federal or
11
state dictates and has shown their intention is to
12
grow endlessly, and not to serve the constituents for
13
which it is currently responsible.
14
When a community doesn't have the resources
15
they currently need, the responsible thing is to stop
16
expanding.
17
housing and they happen to have water.
18
didn't develop on Lake Michigan by accident.
19
population that needs water should move to the water,
20
not the other way around.
21
should stay put, not move to Waukesha and expect the
22
water to follow them.
Milwaukee County has plenty of space and
Milwaukee
The
And folks in Milwaukee
23
Based on the City of Waukesha's blatant
24
disregard for the EPA's orders, expanding all the
25
while, I believe surrounding states should deny
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Waukesha's unwarranted request.
2
due with what it has.
3
Stop annexing and adding apartments hand over fist.
4
Can't anyone say no anymore?
5
prayers; sometimes the answer is no.
Waukesha should make
The water table is rising.
God answers all
6
Thank you.
7
MS. ADAMS:
8
Now we will go through the next group of
9
speaker forms and see who is here.
Dawn Crowley, Tim
10
Lowry, L-o-w-r-y, Duane Paulson, Mary Clare Lancer,
11
Michael Neeley, and Fred Hess.
12
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Do we have a speaker?
I'm Duane Paulson, 1121
13
Summit Avenue, Waukesha, Wisconsin.
14
serve as the Waukesha County Supervisor, I have for
15
18 years, and I was the City alderman for three
16
years, and didn't run for reelection.
17
an alderman during the 2010 timeframe when we
18
forwarded on the application.
19
and one person voted against it, wanted to delay the
20
vote for two weeks, but was in favor of the
21
application.
22
to go to Lake Michigan for water, and my opponent was
23
just the opposite, and I won the election by
24
57 percent.
25
I currently
However, I was
The vote was 14 to 1,
Also I was very outspoken about having
During that time, some -- when you get this
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far down the trough, this is what I have to say --
2
during that time, there was reason that you could use
3
other water; you could use the quarry, use the Fox
4
River.
5
bizarre was, "As long as it rains, we will have
6
water."
7
And one of the statements that was quite
I was surprised to hear from the woman from
8
Chicago not wanting to approve the application in
9
Waukesha when Chicago pumps 2.1 million gallons of
10
water back out of Lake Michigan with no return.
11
There has been a lot of study into this.
12
lot of science involved in it.
13
didn't start happening the last few years.
14
firefighter in the City of Waukesha and we knew that
15
the water was dropping every year.
16
and ask you to do that.
17
There is a
The drawdown just
I was a
So I would take
What we would like is sustainable and safe
18
water.
19
you never sit in the shade of a tree that you plant
20
today.
21
are important.
22
when you're 21, you can drink; when you turn 65 you
23
get Social Security and Medicare.
24
privileged to reach that point at 75 where I don't
25
have to take off my shoes at the airport now.
One thing that you can say is vision is when
Well, you have certain things in life that
When you turn 16, you're driving;
I just was
So,
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you know, you have to look forward to something while
2
you're here, make every day I have left worth it.
3
4
And I hope that (indiscernible) was your
table, I'm sorry.
5
But I'm here to -- I didn't think I needed
6
two-and-a-half minutes, but today I'm here, I'm not
7
for myself, they can't spoil the water bad enough for
8
me, but I look for the next generation, my
9
grandchildren and so forth, I hope you look at that.
10
Rhetoric makes good theater, but science is
11
what you're looking at.
12
look at it, and we spent five years putting it
13
together, so I would hope you would approve the
14
application.
15
I appreciate you sitting here through all of this.
So I would hope you will
Thank you very much for your time, and
16
MS. ADAMS:
17
The next group of speakers forms that I
18
have, Nancy Gloe, G-l-o-e, Andy Andre, David Ullrich,
19
DeMaris Kenwood.
20
And Mary Adelmeyer.
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Hi, my name is Nancy
21
Gloe.
22
Brookfield.
23
Lakes and I recognize the importance of this
24
incredible resource.
25
I live at 19355 Bennington Drive in
I'm here because I care about the Great
I would like to say that I'm in favor of a
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diversion if Waukesha truly needs the water; the
2
question is:
3
answer to that question is not clear to me.
4
are two issues that I would like to raise here,
5
though.
6
Does the City truly need it?
The
There
First, I disagree with what some of the
7
other speakers have said previously.
8
our regional water supply plan is poor.
9
eastern New Berlin and Menomonee Falls use Lake
10
Michigan water, the eastern part of the City of
11
Brookfield does not.
12
around here, I should say those are all straddling
13
communities to the Great Lakes.
14
Brookfield is heavily populated.
15
why that's important.
16
The quality of
While
And since you guys aren't from
And the City of
So -- and here is
I understand that the sandstone aquifer is
17
currently recovering, if we had a better regional
18
water supply, and the eastern portion of Brookfield
19
was on Great Lakes water, Waukesha might not have
20
needed to apply for this diversion.
21
My suggestion is that we insist that a good
22
regional water supply plan be in place, with teeth,
23
and that would be a prerequisite for a Great Lakes
24
division application.
25
protections of the Compact one big notch.
To do any less would lower the
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Second, the City of Waukesha has increased
2
their water service area by 40 percent.
3
should be for the City of Waukesha, not neighboring
4
communities.
5
with this expanded water service area, and I know
6
that speakers have spoken more eloquently than I, so
7
I'll just suffice it to say, to allow this would be
8
to lower the protections of the Compact another big
9
notch.
10
The water
The application should not go through
If we let the Waukesha application lower
11
protections of the Great Lakes by these two big
12
notches, presumably additional lowering will happen
13
in the future.
14
don't necessarily have a problem with Waukesha
15
getting Great Lakes water.
16
allows us to go through without a sound regional
17
water supply plan in place and with the expanded
18
water service area, however, it would be remiss.
19
Where will it all end?
Again, I
If the Regional Body
The City plan to treat radium in the short
20
term and resubmit their application when these two
21
glaring shortcomings have been addressed -- and by
22
the way, in the City of Brookfield, that raised my
23
water, but that's the right thing to do.
24
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MS. ADAMS:
Your time is up.
Thank you.
Thank you for
your comments.
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Good evening.
My name is
2
Dave Ullrich.
3
Chicago, and I'm appearing on my own personal behalf
4
tonight.
5
to the panel members and your staying power as truly
6
impressive.
7
Waukesha, thank you for your hospitality.
8
9
I live at 852 West Wolfram Street in
Let me add my admiration and appreciation
And I want to add to all the people from
This is a very straightforward matter.
The
service area is not a community under the Compact.
10
There are more than one reasonable alternatives that
11
Waukesha has, and I think we have heard from people
12
who live along the Root River what the implications
13
are for the return flow through that direction.
14
I want to add that, although I'm very
15
pleased with the big turnout here in Waukesha, I
16
would say that this is hardly a representative of the
17
Great Lakes and St. Lawrence Basin.
18
that it is incumbent upon the Regional Body and the
19
Compact Council to hold public hearings in each one
20
of the jurisdictions.
It seems to me
21
I'm very happy that Michigan went ahead,
22
Minnesota did, other jurisdictions are having some
23
opportunity to comment.
24
important because this is not representative of the
25
Great Lakes community.
But I do think it's very
I'm glad some people have
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traveled from New York, Ohio, and Minnesota to come
2
here, but a lot of people are not able to come to
3
Waukesha, and I think it's important to hear from
4
them directly.
5
6
Thank you very much and I know you'll make
the right decision.
7
8
MS. ADAMS:
comments.
9
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Hi.
My name is Mary
10
Adelmeyer.
11
have been a part of the team that has worked to
12
create and implement the utility's conservation
13
program.
14
City of Waukesha.
15
utility has been criticized for not implementing all
16
the activities in its conservation plan.
17
it has stated that the utility has not done anything
18
to reduce its high peak demand and that we have not
19
implemented any mandatory ordinances except the
20
sprinkling ordinance.
I work at the Waukesha Water Utility.
I
In addition, I'm also a resident of the
I am here tonight because the
And tonight
These statements are not true.
21
First, the utility has focused on
22
conservation activities that has given us the biggest
23
bang for the buck, likes the outdoor conservation
24
initiatives.
25
strategy, Waukesha is ahead of its conservation
And because of our implementation
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goals.
2
In 2006, Waukesha Water Utility was the
3
first municipality in the state of Wisconsin to
4
implement an annual sprinkling ordinance.
5
ordinance applies to all the customers in the City of
6
Waukesha.
7
and bans all daytime sprinkling between the hours of
8
9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.
9
This
It goes into effect in May through October
In addition to the sprinkling ordinance,
10
the utility uses other tools to encourage outdoor
11
conservation.
12
signs acknowledges those who are conserving and
13
encourages their neighbors to do the same.
14
utility has also helped to achieve a rain barrel
15
program with the Waukesha School District.
16
promote the rain barrel program for the school and
17
for the county, along with promoting the county's
18
rain garden program.
19
For instance, "My brown lawn is green"
The
And we
And we did implement a pilot irrigation
20
rebate program.
21
Cloverland Farms subdivision can get a rebate when
22
they install a WaterSense irrigation controller.
23
These controllers have timers and moisture sensors
24
and some interpret the weather and landscape
25
conditions.
Customers in the newly developed
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We also implemented an irrigation plumbing
2
ordinance that requires all newly installed, altered,
3
or replaced irrigation systems to have a WaterSense
4
irrigation controller programmed to the City's
5
ordinances.
6
So the statements that the opponents have
7
made are not correct.
8
initiatives are reported in the annual PSE reports.
9
On average, Waukesha uses less water in the summer
The success of the outdoor
10
than it did before these tools were implemented, even
11
during extreme drought conditions of 2012.
12
When comparing Waukesha's summer usage to
13
its neighboring communities who have the same weather
14
conditions, Waukesha uses a lower proportion of water
15
in the summer than its neighbors.
16
outdoor initiatives, along with the utility's others
17
conservation programs, motivates us to focus and
18
implement our conservation activities that give us
19
the maximum results.
20
MS. ADAMS:
21
The next group of speakers:
The success of the
Thank you.
Pete Van Horn,
22
Lynn Broadeus B-r-o-a-d-e-u-s, Courtney Nagel,
23
Valerie Kraemer, Brittany Hoffmann, Lisa Conley,
24
Trace Tarot.
25
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Thank you.
I'm Lynn
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Broadeus, 537 North 67th Street, Wauwatosa,
2
Wisconsin, 53213.
3
the opportunity to provide comments on this
4
precedent-setting application for Great Lakes water.
5
I am Lynn Broadeus, president of Broadview
Good afternoon and thank you for
6
Collaborative Incorporated, a firm which focuses on
7
water challenges in the region and for the country as
8
a whole.
9
years at the Johnson Foundation at Wingspread leading
My professional experience includes six
10
a high profile national conversation of water.
11
conversation that begun in part because of the issues
12
raised during the deliberations around the Great
13
Lakes Compact and its ratification.
14
The
My comments today focus on Waukesha's
15
alternatives, and the alternatives analysis that's a
16
required part of the City's application for Great
17
Lakes water.
18
incomplete and out of date and does not begin to
19
reflect the options that are available to Waukesha to
20
provide a safe and sustainable healthy water supply
21
for its residents.
22
I believe the alternatives analysis is
Waukesha's alternatives analysis was done
23
in 2002, and only seriously examined additional wells
24
as an option for new water sources.
25
stands still for the analysis and options presented,
While time
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the water technology revolution has been moving
2
forward.
3
around radium removal, which are definitely evolving,
4
and the suggestions from Ezra Meyer and the Compact
5
Implementation Coalition, CIC, for other
6
alternatives, it's certainly valid, but we also need
7
to take a serious look at water reuse.
8
for astronauts anymore.
9
more cities, sometimes in the buildings scale, and
10
Other speakers have mentioned technologies
It's not just
It's being used by more and
sometimes for the City as a whole.
11
Most of these cities are clustered in Texas
12
and California, but there's no reason why the same
13
technologies can't be applied here in the Great Lakes
14
region.
15
turnkey technologies that you can buy the size of a
16
washing machine.
17
can recycle gray water from homes for use in outdoor
18
irrigation or for toilet flushing.
They're being
19
used in communities in California.
There is no
20
reason that we shouldn't be able to use them here.
21
Rainwater markets is using technology to
Today there are companies making
These are stand-alone units that
22
capture rainwater at the building scale and treat it
23
and use it on-site for best external and potable use
24
is being used in Austin, Texas and other parts of the
25
country to supply more water and groundwater becomes
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scarce.
2
I do hope you will push back on the
3
submitted alternatives and ask yourself whether they
4
meet your expectations, especially given that our
5
region is trying to brand itself a water center, a
6
center for water innovation and leadership.
7
we deserve an up-to-date and forward-thinking
8
analysis of the options.
9
Surely
I would also question demand projections.
10
Given that their demand has been declining in
11
response to conservation efforts, I think their
12
projections of increased use defy common sense.
13
14
MS. ADAMS:
15
16
comments.
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Hello.
I'm Lisa Conley,
17
516 Lac La Belle drive in Oconomowoc.
18
on behalf of myself, but I was a member of the
19
Regional Wisconsin Water Supply Advisory Committee
20
and also a past president of the North American Lake
21
Management Society.
22
had access to some of the best in the world
23
concerning lakes.
24
25
I'm speaking
While I'm not a scientist, I've
It's a wonderful organization.
Some of the concerns I had is that the
water supply plan as developed was, as Linda just
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said, I tried to get the community to accept an idea
2
that rainwater capture would be a water source, and
3
that was rejected by the committee.
4
addressed, I think, in the conservation area, but I
5
think it's much more than that.
6
rolling state (indiscernible).
7
here, but there's plenty of water coming down from
8
the sky that could be used in capture as it is in
9
other communities in this country and around the
10
It was
We're a green
You can't tell from
world.
11
The lawn water thing.
It really gets me
12
because people are watering their lawns a couple
13
times a week, in Waukesha, with the treated drinking
14
water, and they get -- they charge less for that than
15
for the rest of the water that goes to our house
16
because they don't have a sewer trench for the return
17
flow.
18
on their yard that is treated drinking water.
19
So they get a discount on the water they use
A lot of places in the world would think
20
that was crazy to do, and in a place where there is
21
such little in supply, the water that could create
22
this whole issue, I think that's a mistake.
23
The Compact is supposed to protect the
24
biological integrity of the Great Lakes, and the
25
return flow, while it may be cleaner than what's in
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the Root River, still has added chloride to Lake
2
Michigan.
3
I live on Lac La Bell, which
4
(indiscernible) and we have a study for the Regional
5
Planning Commission (indiscernible) phosphorus comes
6
over the dam, and it's cleaner than the water in the
7
lake, so how could it be the source of phosphorus,
8
but it's because of the loading.
9
there's a lot of (indiscernible) that keeps coming
10
in, and it stays in the lake because the lake is a
11
settling basin.
12
It can be clean but
So it concerns me greatly, because
13
everybody loves Lake Michigan and the fish are
14
already impacted because, we've had such changes in
15
the fish due to (indiscernible) and all kinds of
16
things.
17
unregulated chemicals into the lake.
18
19
(indiscernible) community's effort, but
I want to thank you for the opportunity to
speak and thanks for your patience.
20
MS. ADAMS:
21
AUDIENCE MEMBER:
Good evening.
My name is
22
Courtney Nagel.
23
Waukesha and currently reside at S25 W29160 Cambrian
24
Ridge in the town of Genesee.
25
accountant at the Waukesha Water Utility and I'm
I was born and raised in the City of
I am a senior
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going to speak to you tonight about the conservation
2
efforts employed by the businesses in Waukesha.
3
I'm qualified to tell you about their
4
efforts because, as an accountant, when the utility
5
provides incentives for these businesses to install
6
water saving measures, I see the checks go out.
7
Contrary to what you've heard earlier
8
tonight, the utility has over 25 conservation
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partners in the commercial and industrial classes.
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In the last ten years, the utility has coordinated
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water products, conservation education, and
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subsidized the replacement of water technology
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including installation of prerinse sprayups.
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During this time, 81 percent of our
15
business partners have produced measurable water
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savings.
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and over 175 million gallons of water has been saved.
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The utility has written $65,000 in checks,
The opponents to this application would
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like you to believe that the utility and its
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commercial and industrial customers have done nearly
21
nothing to conserve the water.
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the case.
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greatly to our overall goal to achieve 10 percent in
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measurable water savings from 2015.
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say that we are ahead of schedule in meeting that
This simply is not
Our efforts with businesses contribute
We are proud to
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Thank you.
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AUDIENCE MEMBER:
My name is Valerie
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Kraemer.
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Town of Oconomowoc in Waukesha county.
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support of the City's application to borrow water
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from Lake Michigan.
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over thirty years, and I come from a family of avid
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hunters and fishermen who have been watching this
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I live at N64 W34012 Bayview Road in the
I'm here in
I have lived in the county for
project unfold.
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We are concerned about Wisconsin's
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wildlife, lakes, and rivers, and we believe the
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project is the best option with the least impact on
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wetlands and other natural resources.
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MS. ADAMS:
Thank you.
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We will go through a few more forms and see if we
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have anyone else.
Did we call Brittany Hoffmann
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already?
James Harrah, Angela Rufenberg,
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R-u-f-e-n-be-r-g.
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Akmut.
We did.
Donna Scholl, S-c-h-o-l-l. Tariq
And Todd Stair.
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AUDIENCE MEMBER:
So I'm Angela Rufenberg.
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My address is 2814 West 78th Street in the City of
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Milwaukee.
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public's opportunity for participating in commenting
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as part of the review process.
And I'm here today to address the
Clearly this is a
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complex and emotional situation, and so in the spirit
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of the Compact, the public should be given as many
3
opportunities to learn and comment on the project as
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is reasonable.
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happened.
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comply with state law regarding open meetings as it
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met with city officials in 2007 and 2008 to discuss
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the Lake Michigan diversion.
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And, unfortunately, this hasn't
The Waukesha Water Utility failed to
Instead, they we went into closed session
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and took action behind closed doors.
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this closed session was cited as a discussion of
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strategy relative to our long-term water options as
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well as radium compliance with the council.
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The reason for
I believe these items should be open to the
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public.
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State statute, closed door meetings should be
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reserved for bargaining, independent items, or items
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personal in nature.
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about the long-term water strategy that the water
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didn't want to share with the public?
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these conversations could have been (indiscernible)
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or bargaining?
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where the water would be coming from, where it would
24
be returning to, and much less the cost of each
25
option.
They are, after all, public health.
Per
At this early dates, what was it
What part of
The water utility had yet to finalize
It seems the public was unnecessarily left
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out of these conversations.
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On May 1, 2010, the initial diversion
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application was submitted by the Waukesha Water
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Utility.
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with the utility to gather more information and
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develop a more complete application.
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2011, the public was invited to comment on the
8
process as it stood so far.
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utility submitted a second application, and on
10
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The Wisconsin DNR then spent years working
In July of
In December of 2011, the
October of 2013, they submitted a third application.
After this third application, the public
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was, again, invited to comment.
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good, except that the application was thousands of
14
pages in length and the public had approximately one
15
month to comment.
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gather this information, and we had one month?
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goal of the Compact is full public participation;
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however, from the beginning there has been a lack of
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transparency.
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closed door sessions and it has continued throughout
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the private and public comments.
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This would have been
It took the utility years to
The
It started with the utility turning to
It appears that the diversion is a foregone
23
conclusion rather than something that you wish the
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public taking part in.
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Good evening.
My name is
Tariq Akmut of 2032 Empire Drive, Waukesha.
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I'm a City of Waukesha resident, I'd like
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to welcome all of you who have traveled many, many
5
miles to come here.
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In my younger days, I took a Greyhound trip
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out west of the United States, went north up to
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Canada, and ended up in the Canadian province of
9
Quebec.
And only a few years ago, we drove to visit
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our friends in Winnepeg, and, of course, went to
11
visit beautiful Kenora and our friends in those areas
12
in Canada.
13
So great water is a goal of all of us.
I
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grew up in an area where water is scarce, and fully
15
understand the challenge of that.
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to welcome my friends from Illinois, specifically
17
Chicago area, because they probably used the C in the
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Chicago Bears emblem that actually comes here from
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Waukesha, from this very college that you are
20
attending this great session at.
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And I would like
Waukesha's application has been
22
comprehensive.
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have attended a number of meetings of the Water
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Utility Commission and have in the past commented on
25
these issues.
It has been open for discussion.
I
We have implemented water conservation
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activities.
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at anything.
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diversion is not going to divert Lake Michigan or
4
other Great Lakes going out west to New Mexico or
5
Arizona like the former govern in that area suggested
6
many years ago.
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Can we do better?
Anyone can do better
This application by Waukesha for
It is for this Great Lakes area.
Yes, the
8
physical barrier you have water that flows to the
9
Lake Michigan watershed, and water that flows to the
10
Mississippi River watershed.
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the hydraulic boundaries have changed, and actually
12
the movement, because of the depletion of the
13
aquifers, actually in a sense puts water -- puts
14
Waukesha in the Lake Michigan watershed.
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But -- but underground,
So I ask you to approve this application.
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This is your first application for diversion, and
17
being first sometimes is not the best, but you
18
will -- I'm sure that it will put your due diligence
19
and make -- and apply conditions so that Waukesha can
20
have that water, and even the area that shows up as
21
the greater service area, may in the future need the
22
water as the aquifer keeps getting depleted.
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Thank you for your attention and have a
safe trip back.
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Good evening.
My name is
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Donna Scholl, and I live at 34215 Davies Drive in
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Oconomowoc, Wisconsin.
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I have a master's degree from the
5
University of Wisconsin Madison School of Business
6
and am a certified public accountant.
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administrative services manager with the Waukesha
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Water Utility, I am accountable for the
9
implementation of the 2012 conservation plan.
10
As the
Some have said that the plan was never
11
implemented.
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could be further from the truth.
13
business strategy, the 2012 plan documents several
14
elements that must be used to guide utilities'
15
efforts.
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summary states, "Utility is to target cost effective
17
measures that produce the highest potential savings,
18
and it is to change which measures are implemented in
19
order to achieve those first two goals."
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I am here to tell you that nothing
As with any good
The second page of the plan's executive
Detractors have worked hard to create an
21
impression that the drafted plan was not implemented
22
just because two of the ten activities listed in the
23
executive summary have been deferred.
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activities, rebates for shower hats and urinals.
25
original plan estimated that by the end of 2016, the
These two
The
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utility would have helped to replace 94 shower heads
2
and five urinals.
3
The Alliance for Water Efficiency estimates
4
that each water-efficient shower head and urinal
5
saves 2,100 and 6,200 gallons of water per year
6
respectively.
7
utility chose to focus on the other eight activities
8
in the plan.
9
dedicated to shower heads and urinals was focused
Instead of these two activities, the
The staff time that would have been
10
instead on tailored incentives for our business and
11
commercial customers.
12
Each of our business/commercial efforts
13
saves on average 1.7 million gallons of water per
14
year.
15
reducing consumption by 102 million gallons per year
16
by 2030 is highlighted annually in our report to the
17
Wisconsin Public Service Commission.
18
Progress towards the utility's goal of
Waukesha Water Utility adapted the plan and
19
is ahead of its conservation goal, because unlike
20
it's detractors, it chose not to focus on shower
21
heads and urinals.
Thank you.
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MS. ADAMS:
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I have two other forms of folks who were
24
not here in the first half.
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they returned: (indiscernible), Amanda Payne.
I will call them in case
Are
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either of them here and wish to speak?
So we have some other people who are here.
3
We went through all the speaker forms, and I still
4
probably have 40 forms here of people who are not
5
here to speak tonight.
6
But we still have people in the room.
So I
7
would ask if there is anybody else in the room who
8
wishes to speak who has not yet spoken?
9
Going once, going twice.
Seeing no further
10
speakers, I think that it's time to conclude the
11
public comment session.
12
their patience and attention, it's been a very
13
interesting debate and a lot of good comment.
14
will turn it back to our chair.
And I thank everybody for
And I
15
MR. CHAIRMAN:
16
At this time, we want to thank you for your
Thank you.
17
attendance, this hearing is now closed.
18
record remain open until March 14, 2016 for receipt
19
of written comments.
20
Thank you for attending.
Let the
Are we prepared
21
to adjourn or are there other procedural matters that
22
we must address.
23
We are adjourned.
Thank you.
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206:18 223:2
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1.3 19:1
1.39 108:3
1.5 13:3
1.6 146:4
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31:3 46:23, 25 220:23
10.1 13:10 19:17 21:6
30:19 157:6
100 27:18 28:4 34:3, 4
43:21 149:1 178:14
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102 227:15
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11 23:16
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91:10 121:24 142:11
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121 132:10, 16
122 47:4
123 143:5
1240 129:22
127 132:11
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13 54:15
13,000 174:1
14 6:12 8:21, 25 42:15
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228:18
14,000 148:4
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15 18:12, 13 59:5
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17 57:8 107:19
170 57:22
1712 77:18
175 220:17
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154:10 206:15
1819 150:24
1845 110:16 115:25
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19 138:12
1932 148:25
19355 208:21
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195 145:21
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1974 140:7
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1987 109:2
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1998 79:15
1999 107:6
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2,100 227:5
2.1 207:9
2.4 106:2
2:00 2:16 47:15, 19
194:14, 15
20 35:20 132:3 138:12
179:1, 1
200 86:19 172:18
200,000 106:3
2000 90:19 148:13, 14
177:1
2001 73:16
2002 215:23
2006 20:4 72:2 90:19,
20 91:3, 9 106:18
172:22 177:5 213:2
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169:23 222:7
2008 77:17 91:13, 20
100:21 110:23 122:12
189:21 202:25 222:7
2009 61:2 98:24 122:8
201 2:20, 22 46:21
54:8 90:18 145:20
2010 2:21, 23 14:2, 2
46:23, 25 90:21 95:7
114:6 180:8 183:4
206:17 223:2
2011 14:22 223:7, 8
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90:21 214:11 226:9, 13
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141:21 148:10 223:10
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149:18
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148:25 149:4, 8 165:7
220:24
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6:15, 19, 25 7:10 47:3,
9 49:1 69:2 165:22
226:25 228:18 229:17
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91:9 149:17, 19
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207 113:20
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21 7:10 8:9, 19 187:22
191:25 207:22
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22 6:15, 19 14:11
23:16 60:7 141:21
199:11 203:14
223 194:10
23,000 14:17
24 23:4 108:11 153:17
2428 105:22
25 8:14 21:21 88:9
89:22 94:13 142:2
159:22 220:8
250 17:20
2538 97:12
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2700 132:3
2717 159:16
28 31:4
2814 221:22
29 120:12
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122:9
3,000 22:11
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148:18
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3:00 44:6
3:07 44:6
30 52:9 62:21 107:11,
22 149:17 179:1
300 85:15
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312 127:2
32 146:7
34215 226:2
3430 108:21
3507 176:10
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4 122:9 157:22
4,600 54:19
4.6 23:20
4:43 120:19
4:55 120:19
40 101:17 103:23
124:8 150:5 210:2
228:4
40,000 103:2
412 100:3
419 170:24
426 148:1 164:2
4260 134:15
444 166:13
45 146:6
4500 195:3
47,000 156:22
48 157:20
493A 165:11
494B 165:2
49770 164:3
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5,000 122:1 188:1
5:00 213:8
50 117:21 173:1, 25
50th 176:1
516 217:17
53 142:2, 8
53202 116:1
53213 215:2
53402 69:8
537 215:1
53703 184:16
54 114:10
57 173:20 206:24
5850 192:12
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6 22:4 101:7
6,200 227:5
6.6 199:18
6.7 22:17 23:21 40:24
41:9 162:3
6:00 120:23 174:21
175:8
6:30 175:5
6:35 175:10
60,000 159:21
600 40:19
6000 191:1
6004 102:22
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60606 132:4
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61 150:5
634 184:16
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194:12
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7:58 228:23
70 18:10
700 124:5 157:19
71,000 59:15
72 172:19
727 79:4
74 142:1
75 120:13, 18 207:24
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8.1 19:23
8.2 18:23 19:24
8.4 19:14
8.5 21:11
80 24:16, 23 157:19
173:21
800 14:7
80-year-old 172:12
81 220:14
8210 140:2
831 152:8, 13
84 148:25
852 211:2
86 114:5
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9.3 23:3, 10
9:00 213:8
90 24:17, 23
912 121:17
94 227:1
95 114:8
97 85:20
98 172:21
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a.m 213:8
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able 22:24 58:23 92:6
108:1 125:25 134:7
197:4 212:2 216:20
abreast 134:25
absolutely 70:21 123:18
202:24
abundant 62:20 132:19
abuse 78:19
academic 95:13
acceleration 149:23
accept 6:14 67:15
218:1
acceptable 75:20
acceptance 190:2
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accepting 6:13
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144:21 217:22
accessing 80:8
accident 192:24 205:18
accomplished 40:7
119:15
accountability 169:21
170:19, 25 171:10
accountable 80:3, 17
170:3 171:25 172:4
226:8
accountant 219:25
220:4 226:6
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220:23 226:19
achievement 149:19
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acoustics 51:19
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204:22 205:4
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64:24 112:21 127:25
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201:19 222:10 229:15
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22 214:18 225:1
226:22, 24 227:6, 7
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128:25 138:9 189:6
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74:24 77:14 79:3 82:4
84:22 87:14 89:3
90:16 92:12 94:9, 18,
23 97:7 99:20 100:1
102:20 105:16 110:14
113:11, 15 115:22
117:24 120:11, 20
121:16, 19 124:1
126:25 129:11, 24
131:20 134:13 136:12,
15, 23 139:23 141:24
142:3, 22 143:1 145:13
147:24 150:13, 20
153:9 156:5, 9 159:4, 6,
12 161:5 163:19, 22
166:11 169:9, 11 172:8,
14 174:20 175:21
178:6 180:2 182:19
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9 195:25 196:3, 7
198:21 201:11 204:4
206:7 208:16 210:24
212:7 214:20 217:14
219:20 221:2, 15
223:25 225:25 227:22
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127:6, 8 135:2 155:11
211:4, 6, 14
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219:1
adding 135:22 177:12
204:18 205:8 206:3
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23:11 61:1 137:24
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212:13 213:9
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6, 11, 16, 24 15:21, 22
24:12 39:25 40:9 41:4,
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173:9 186:11, 12
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130:19 135:21 165:11
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address 9:4 21:12 48:5
53:15 54:12 61:9
77:17, 22 98:16 100:1,
3 116:10 121:16 127:9
132:4 137:17 153:19
184:15 221:22, 23
228:22
addressed 82:19 99:1
112:17 186:16 202:8
210:21 218:4
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184:19
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212:10
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148:16 165:14, 17
166:4 168:14, 22 169:1
195:12
adequately 168:2 202:8
adhered 69:23
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adheres 158:4
adjacent 155:6
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97:18
admiration 211:4
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24 95:19 96:15, 23
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149:8, 11 182:7 183:8
189:23
adoption 49:23 50:6
124:18 146:11, 13 164:7
adult 78:14
advance 50:24
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advantage 122:23
203:22
adversary 51:10
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42:2 71:10 117:11
advise 23:12
advisory 95:11, 17
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217:19
advocacy 161:10 169:18
170:6
advocated 202:14
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155:12 156:15, 16, 22
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affirm 133:6
affluent 24:8, 16, 22
193:4, 9
affordable 56:13 57:20
67:19 174:7
affording 132:6
African 114:1, 2
afternoon 2:2 5:15
12:20 25:11 44:7
45:17 47:3 57:5 59:19
62:13 67:3 69:5 71:20
74:25 77:15 89:4
92:13 94:10 97:11
99:21 113:16 115:23
117:25 124:2 127:1
143:4 150:25 171:5
215:2
age 140:5
agencies 95:13
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agenda 63:4
agendas 170:5 172:5
ages 122:9
aggressive 83:22 93:7
ago 55:6 88:21 141:2
183:14 224:9 225:6
agree 40:22 52:13, 16
106:8 117:4, 9 134:1
171:4
agreed 60:10 85:21
91:22 101:5 197:10
agreement 4:14 7:23
8:2 9:15 17:11 18:1
46:3, 12, 19 50:2 64:23
87:22 124:14, 23
126:22 149:10 150:19
155:13, 15
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chloride 33:2 112:9
182:4 198:20 219:1
chlorides 26:1, 3, 24
choice 62:2
choose 36:12 144:19
choosing 122:10
chose 109:7 122:7, 8
227:7, 20
chosen 101:19 168:4
185:15
Chris 29:18 44:25
christy 156:11
CIC 35:9 41:3 137:25
138:1, 8, 8, 10, 16, 22
155:4 196:12 216:5
CIC's 137:21 138:3, 5
Circle 134:15
circumstances 61:7
circumvent 135:25
cite 39:15
cited 133:21 141:20
222:11
cities 76:16 77:4 88:6
107:18 132:9, 11, 16
144:17 193:3 216:9, 11
citizen 127:4 140:3
citizens 67:10 74:19
139:22 145:17 147:3
160:18 202:6
City 2:13 3:8 4:2 5:19
13:2, 4, 9, 14, 16, 21
14:1, 2, 9, 25 16:9, 11
17:7, 19, 19, 20 18:10,
19, 24 19:11 20:3, 17,
19, 24, 25 21:1, 25
22:16, 22 24:22 25:6,
15 26:8 28:3, 12 29:16
30:11 31:7, 13 32:20
34:8 35:12 36:8 38:11
39:21, 24 40:3, 5, 23
42:24 43:15, 17, 23
45:25 46:4, 14 49:15
54:15 55:15 56:8, 9, 9,
19 57:7, 9, 11, 13, 21, 24
58:11, 13, 14, 18, 18, 21,
22, 24 59:5, 17 62:14,
17 63:18 64:5 67:23
68:25 71:22, 23 72:9,
12 73:6, 16, 20 74:2, 4,
16, 22 75:24 76:7
77:16, 18 78:16, 21
79:10, 12 81:17 82:1, 6,
6 84:21 86:5, 8, 14
87:10, 16, 20 88:20
89:14, 14, 15 90:8, 11,
20 91:15 92:14, 16
95:3 96:2, 6, 18 97:1
99:4 104:19 112:14
114:4, 12, 16 115:2, 5,
25 116:6 117:11
119:18 122:1 123:18
126:13 127:3 129:16,
23 130:3, 5 131:11
132:2, 22 133:20, 23
134:9, 18, 25 135:1, 3, 9,
18 143:6, 15, 21 144:11
148:1, 8 151:23 157:4,
11, 16 159:1 160:6, 24
161:13, 18, 23 162:19
164:21 166:13, 15, 25
168:1 170:14 174:6
176:15, 24 177:6, 18
178:14, 14 179:11, 21,
22, 25 180:6 182:8, 12
184:5 191:1, 11, 14, 17,
18, 23 192:2, 4 193:16
195:2 197:8, 22 199:17
201:5 203:18, 19
204:15, 22, 25 205:2, 4,
6, 10, 23 206:15 207:14
209:2, 10, 13 210:1, 3,
19, 22 212:14 213:5
216:10 219:22 221:22
222:7 224:3
City's 46:17 67:16
81:10 82:10 83:14
116:21 158:15 160:3, 8,
13 161:3 162:7 168:9
177:23 199:5 200:3, 21,
23 204:12 205:5 214:4
215:16 221:6
Civil 113:18, 19 175:16
claim 148:22
claimed 116:20
claiming 200:12
claims 60:13, 14 114:4,
11 115:7 137:18
clamshell 181:9
Clare 176:4 206:10
clarify 7:16 19:25 78:2
class 87:22 127:24
202:12, 17
classes 220:9
clause 133:10 149:23
CLAYTON 30:10, 10, 17
32:5, 5
clean 67:25 72:15 75:9,
9, 11, 14, 15 83:10
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87:24 102:23, 25 103:9
112:21 132:19 161:12
162:18 184:14 204:12,
24 219:8
cleaner 32:11 218:25
219:6
cleaning 76:10
clean-water 161:8
clear 62:4 64:12 68:18
83:23 93:25 106:20
115:10 134:3 158:14
168:17 189:8 204:25
209:3
cleared 38:5
clearly 98:20 102:1
115:15 133:9, 21
155:22 158:16 184:20
221:25
Cling 187:16
close 43:21 49:18
125:24
closed 39:7, 19 40:12
149:12 173:11 222:9,
10, 11, 16 223:20 228:17
closely 70:4 72:14
79:15 118:4
closer 173:1
closest 62:24
closing 73:2 87:9
Cloverland 183:22
213:21
Club 116:7 176:11, 14
Clubs 146:2, 10
Club's 194:25
cluster 81:13
clustered 216:11
Coalition 35:10 69:10
96:19 103:4, 5 110:19
118:3, 4 132:10 137:19
151:2 153:5 154:2
183:3, 15 184:2, 15
185:8 196:11 216:5
code 116:1
Coldwater 150:24
190:21
Collaborative 215:6
colleague 94:15
colleagues 72:5 76:17
184:18
collect 29:6
collection 27:22 61:12
collectively 159:20
College 127:2 140:6, 12
224:19
Columbus 161:9
Comanche 54:9
combinations 180:24, 25
combine 94:21 188:19
combined 30:8, 12
combines 11:18
come 8:25 9:18 15:12
37:16 38:23, 25 44:2
52:6, 15 53:7, 13 54:6
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62:15 67:21 71:14
75:18 99:7 107:15
110:4 115:3 119:1
121:5, 8, 21 123:16, 21
126:7 127:21 130:10
136:14 145:16 150:3
167:9 171:4 175:6, 24
186:1 190:20 197:3
212:1, 2 221:8 224:5
comes 11:17 63:4
65:23 75:20 76:15
128:19 171:10 195:9
219:5 224:18
coming 25:14 26:2
32:10 71:1 78:23 87:3
91:11 92:11 174:3
175:12, 14 179:13, 17
196:20 218:7 219:9
222:23
commencing 47:19
commend 92:24
comment 5:6 6:12 8:20
14:22, 24 15:3, 10 24:1
32:25 37:24 39:7, 18,
24 40:11 43:7, 8 46:16
48:1, 14, 15, 16 50:19,
23 51:3, 3, 7 52:12, 13,
14, 18 57:3 82:4 87:14
89:3 92:12 94:9 99:20
110:20 120:14, 23
126:23 147:24 148:15
149:4, 5 153:9 161:5
166:15 172:8 174:20
180:7 190:12 196:15,
22, 25 204:4 211:23
222:3 223:7, 12, 15, 25
228:11, 13
commentary 91:20
commented 224:24
commenter 176:1
commenters 120:12
137:19
commenting 221:24
comments 3:11, 19 4:21
6:8, 10, 11, 13, 14, 20, 22
8:22, 23 9:1, 12 10:21
12:13, 14 15:6, 13, 18
16:3 17:11 18:16, 17
19:15 20:2, 7 21:9
22:9, 11 24:3, 18 31:25
36:1 40:1, 14 44:21
45:10, 24 47:6 48:2, 3,
9, 14, 19, 22, 25 49:3, 5,
15, 16 50:15, 25 51:12
52:5, 20, 22, 23 53:14
62:9 67:2 69:4 71:19
73:10 74:24 77:14
79:3 84:23 86:25
87:17 90:16 97:7, 20,
22 102:20 103:5
105:16 110:14 113:15
115:22 116:4, 4, 10, 14,
15, 18 117:9, 24 120:11
Public Hearing
122:24 124:1 126:23,
25 129:11 131:20
132:7, 8 134:13 142:23
145:13 149:12 150:20
159:7 163:18, 19
164:25 166:11 167:22
169:12 175:6, 15 178:7
180:2 184:6, 17 187:12
190:23 192:9 193:24
196:4, 21 198:22, 24
201:11 206:7 208:16
210:25 212:8 214:20
215:3, 14 217:15
219:20 221:2, 15
223:21 225:25 227:22
228:19
comments, 52:16
comments@Waukesha
9:2
comments@WaukeshawD
iversion.org 48:12
comment-taking 45:13
commercial 59:9
130:23 186:4 187:22
200:10, 20 220:9, 20
227:11, 12
Commission 17:25
28:11 38:6 43:22, 22
56:1 77:19 79:13 95:8
154:5, 14, 22 155:14
180:5, 9 182:7 219:5
224:24 227:17 229:23
Commissioner 65:7 81:7
commit 133:6
commitment 66:22
96:24 161:16
committee 72:20 95:12,
17 124:12 160:9
176:12 180:12 182:7
217:19 218:3
committees 118:7
commodity 77:23 78:17
common 23:11 28:10
38:6 43:19 56:23 65:8,
10, 11, 13 71:22 72:2, 3
78:15 121:25 177:12
181:8 202:6 217:12
Commonwealth 97:12
Communication 118:3
communities 33:6, 9, 11,
15 34:7, 9 37:3, 7, 9
40:18, 22 41:16, 18, 18
60:24 63:22 70:18
71:11 78:13 88:4, 23
89:17 92:5, 7 93:16, 23
95:14 101:20, 23
103:24 104:6, 10, 24
105:1, 6 107:21 108:8
114:6, 14 116:25 119:8
125:2 126:17 131:14
142:14 151:16 152:9,
10, 11, 13, 25 158:10
163:8, 12 166:4, 7
168:3, 12 174:9 177:2,
3, 20 181:12 184:22
188:21, 23 193:9
197:22 209:13 210:4
214:13 216:19 218:9
community 9:11, 16
13:6 17:13 18:3 33:8,
17 46:6 54:22 55:17,
22 57:6, 22, 23 61:2
63:23 64:18 68:7, 18
78:24 83:17 87:6
91:17 98:23 100:13, 15
102:5 104:5 105:8
116:23, 25 117:2, 6, 12
125:13, 24 128:4, 17
134:2, 4, 16 135:13, 22
142:17 147:1, 4 156:24
159:19 165:13 168:18
173:6, 6, 16, 18 174:4,
14 176:21 184:24
188:19 192:14 193:2
197:21 201:6 205:14
211:9, 25 218:1
community's 133:2
219:16
community-wide 81:9
COMPACT 1:2 2:4, 7,
12, 15, 20, 25 4:9, 13, 25
5:3, 17, 21, 23 6:17
7:19, 24 8:14, 15 9:10,
14 10:15, 20 12:7 18:2
28:13 35:9 44:2, 9, 12,
18, 24 45:22 46:2, 3, 11,
13, 19, 22 47:1, 10, 22
49:17 50:8, 10, 13
55:25 57:2 59:24, 25
60:12, 14, 15, 18 61:6,
18 62:6 63:6, 7, 22, 25
64:2, 17 66:19, 23 67:7,
9 69:22 70:2 73:5
74:12 76:18 77:10
78:3 79:17 81:4, 24
82:9 84:5, 17, 17 91:1,
16, 21, 23 92:4 94:4, 6
95:5 97:16 98:4, 24
99:7, 19 100:9, 12, 14,
18, 21, 23 102:3, 10, 17,
19 103:3 104:3, 7, 13,
15, 25 105:2, 12 108:9
109:11 110:9, 10, 19, 22
111:7 112:6 115:15
117:3 118:3, 5, 14, 18
119:10 120:9 122:11,
21 123:8 124:14
127:15, 17 128:7 129:1
133:3, 7, 9 134:6
135:10 136:1, 3 137:12,
18 139:12 146:11, 19,
23 147:13, 14, 16, 22
149:16 151:5, 11, 23
153:6 154:1 155:25
157:9, 12, 15 158:4, 7, 9,
13, 16 160:5, 7 161:20
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164:7, 8, 9, 14, 19, 25
165:12 166:5, 16 167:4,
11, 16, 19 168:7, 17, 22
169:3, 22, 24 170:1, 20,
25 171:22 172:2
176:18, 19 178:17
181:5, 14, 19 182:14
184:15 185:25 187:8
188:6, 12 189:7, 18, 19
190:2 192:5 196:10, 14
197:9, 19 198:2 201:8,
10 202:9, 12, 16, 16, 21
203:1, 2, 8, 11, 23 204:3,
17 209:25 210:8 211:9,
19 215:13 216:4
218:23 222:2 223:17
Compact-compliant
189:23
Compacts 152:25
198:13
Compact's 100:13
101:3 117:5 118:6, 12
120:2 171:7 177:25
184:21 200:6
companies 58:10
159:19, 25 216:14
Company 77:3 133:5
181:22 187:22
compared 83:8 107:18
229:8
comparing 214:12
comparison 30:25
competition 193:13, 14
compile 32:7
complaints 194:21
complete 42:9, 13 67:22
123:6 223:6
completed 28:7 37:13,
14 72:15 95:8
completely 71:9 106:8
127:19 130:25 200:21,
21
completing 104:14
complex 80:10 222:1
compliance 12:2 34:10
37:21 38:2 39:3 91:12
119:10 130:8 149:17
150:3 203:21 222:13
compliant 84:5 98:10,
12 99:12
complies 94:4
comply 20:21 23:22
27:2 115:15 130:17
138:19, 19 190:1 222:6
components 169:7 181:9
composite 181:7, 15
comprehensive 58:15
95:20 96:15 114:15
130:14 224:22
comprise 30:23
comprised 38:18 145:21
compromises 157:17
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conceivably 8:18
concentration 36:10
concentrations 24:9, 10
32:12 35:19
concept 97:21 104:16
141:9
concern 128:6 131:9, 10,
11, 12 146:24 152:19
concerned 26:3 60:20
70:13 77:9 90:9 95:14
101:5 111:4 113:8
128:8, 11 131:3 139:4
161:13 199:20 221:11
concerning 217:23
concerns 21:9, 12, 23
97:23 102:8, 16 111:6
115:19 116:12 126:8, 9
157:4 167:20 194:18
202:5, 7 217:24 219:12
concise 66:12
conclude 3:14 228:10
concluded 16:9 21:17,
20 26:12 93:12 119:20
162:16 228:23
concludes 17:2 111:21
conclusion 36:6, 24
71:15 84:15 89:10
113:12 115:11 146:21
147:18 182:17 223:23
conclusions 90:14
concur 109:18
concurred 56:22
condition 72:18
conditions 10:25 24:21,
25, 25 30:1 56:2, 3
138:18 195:6 213:25
214:11, 14 225:19
conduct 45:13
Conference 4:7 28:14
79:6 102:12
confidence 122:18
confident 73:4 122:13
123:17 126:11
configuration 41:22
configured 16:18 35:11,
12 41:1
conflict 147:16 186:18
conflicting 170:9
Congregations 116:6
congress 63:12 91:24
124:19 146:12
Conley 214:23 217:16
connect 20:20
connected 26:11, 13
86:11 139:6 158:25
consensus 8:10, 13 50:3
consequences 109:15
155:17 158:11
Consequently 138:5
conservancy 59:1
conservation 11:10 12:1
19:13 20:1, 4, 17, 22
21:1 27:10, 11, 15
Public Hearing
39:23 40:2, 6 70:24
81:10, 20 83:22 93:7
96:19, 20, 21 103:23
106:7, 8, 25 107:16, 19,
25 108:8, 11, 14 117:3
119:15 130:11, 12, 18,
25 131:8, 16, 17 133:20
141:9 146:5 165:10
168:24 169:2, 3, 6
178:3, 22, 24 179:4
181:5 183:3, 5, 10, 15
184:2, 4 186:7 194:19,
20 197:25 198:9 200:1,
6 202:14 203:11, 12
212:12, 16, 22, 23, 25
213:11 214:17, 18
217:11 218:4 220:1, 8,
11 224:25 226:9 227:19
conservation-based 71:2
conserve 130:23 184:4
220:21
conserving 213:12
consider 7:12 10:20
18:1 23:23 49:23 56:3
101:14 110:5 116:16
119:17 126:15 138:11
147:17 148:16 163:9
174:10 182:16 193:22
considerable 171:6
consideration 8:7, 16
11:1 42:9 50:9 61:18
82:1 109:9 117:23
125:10 126:24 137:23
139:13 142:13 147:23
152:1, 6, 6 153:2
considered 9:17 11:11
21:17 36:22, 23 42:14
52:24 64:19 112:15
138:21 152:16 162:6
165:3 168:2 173:9
181:16, 17 182:1, 2
considering 3:15 12:8
19:7 21:15 37:8 70:10
151:12 160:19
consistent 8:4, 6 17:3
101:10 102:2 107:7
146:19 166:5 168:7
181:4, 21 182:14
consists 7:16, 19 49:20
50:8
constituents 205:12
constrained 171:16
constraints 170:11
constructed 125:21
construction 183:23
192:23
consultant 174:17
consultation 15:11
consulted 36:4
consulting 137:22
consumption 103:22
107:21 227:15
consumptive 11:14
111:10
contact 49:18
contacted 87:6
contain 50:5
contains 95:22 148:10
contaminant 43:10
contaminants 26:23
142:13 173:1
contaminated 61:8
149:13 200:13
contamination 80:15
82:18 83:23 86:19, 21
103:11, 21 138:23 154:7
contend 111:2
contested 51:9
context 104:4 114:11
continent 108:25
continue 6:7 20:5, 11,
13 58:23 69:1 78:15
81:17 86:2 96:10
107:14 121:5 156:20
175:5, 15, 22
continued 59:13 61:16
223:20
continues 119:23
continuing 177:14
continuous 80:11
contract 20:21 149:6
Contrary 220:7
contribute 220:22
contributed 95:18
contributing 26:16
contributor 167:2
control 15:17 19:16
20:16 80:11 151:20
188:20
controller 213:22 214:4
controllers 213:23
controversy 87:1 188:11
conversation 51:20 76:3,
14 77:13 215:10, 11
conversations 78:7
222:21 223:1
conversion 96:3, 5 97:1
Conversions 181:10, 12
convert 53:23
convey 5:12 53:22
convinced 160:21
Conye 190:18
cool 111:18
cooperation 81:22 88:2
89:18 96:17 114:12
188:19
coordinated 220:10
coordination 45:14
copy 116:13
Corey 117:9
corners 123:15
Corporation 108:24
Corps 78:13
correct 135:4 214:7
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229:10
Corres 194:2
C-o-r-r-e-s 194:3
correspondingly 79:17
corridor 13:22
corrupt 197:18
Cory 62:11 69:6
cost 21:20 43:14 62:24
68:20 106:11 109:13,
16 110:8 115:3 133:15
147:8 162:23 177:8
179:9, 12, 12, 16 198:5
222:24 226:16
cost-effective 26:6
costly 179:16
costs 21:23 38:15
107:23 188:20
COUNCIL 1:2 2:4, 7,
12, 12, 15, 21 3:1 4:10,
25 5:4, 18, 21, 23 6:17
7:19 8:15, 15 9:10, 14
10:15, 15, 16, 20 12:8
28:11, 14 38:6 43:19,
23 44:2, 9, 12, 17, 18, 24
45:22, 22 46:13 47:1,
10 49:18 50:8, 10
56:23 65:9, 10, 12, 13
67:7, 9 69:16 71:22
72:2, 4, 5 78:15 85:4
102:19 105:25 109:19
121:25 133:6 134:18
155:25 157:12 161:9
164:2, 21 166:19 170:2,
18, 19, 21 171:22 172:3
176:9 178:22 195:2
196:14 202:6 211:19
222:13
Council's 46:22 164:4
counsel 45:8, 12 229:12,
14
counties 37:4 60:24
62:5
countless 204:22
countries 88:23
country 78:25 101:19
114:3 123:5 215:7
216:25 218:9
county 9:11, 17 13:6
22:3 46:7 56:7 57:14,
18 58:3, 6, 7 90:22
94:11, 13, 14, 15, 17, 25
95:18, 22 96:1, 7, 9, 12,
16, 17, 18, 23 103:12
114:9 125:15 133:2
134:3, 17 135:11 144:8
153:18 155:19, 24
159:15, 18 165:14
168:11 178:16, 22
180:13 183:2, 3, 15, 18
184:2 195:10 199:6
201:19, 21 205:16
206:14 213:17 221:5, 7
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229:2
county's 213:17
couple 15:14 54:17
95:23 128:1 162:12
190:17 192:15 194:7
218:12
course 48:21 93:22
186:6 191:8 224:10
court 16:12 27:2 53:16,
20 61:9 138:19 142:4
149:19, 22 174:24
190:18
courted 200:10
Courtney 214:22 219:22
courts 77:6
cousin 204:9
coverage 91:25 192:16
covered 41:14
crack 76:18 77:2
cracking 77:10
craw 153:15
crazy 218:20
create 95:10 135:23, 24
197:18 212:12 218:21
226:20
created 3:6 7:21 8:1
119:5 185:13
creates 82:22
creating 151:6
creation 7:25 96:1
140:22
creative 81:18
Creek 13:15 26:8
87:16 89:6, 15, 16, 18,
19 90:9, 12 191:18
crisis 116:20 155:21
195:16 200:12
criteria 4:13 8:4, 5 9:7,
14, 25 11:16 12:4, 6
16:8 18:15 49:25
55:25 68:15 109:7
119:11 160:4 192:19
critical 55:14 59:12, 15
83:11 118:16 138:21
167:2, 10 171:10
197:11 201:9
criticized 212:15
critics 155:22
cross-board 7:22
cross-border 8:1
crowd 85:17
Crowley 206:9
crucial 64:19 185:7
cruise 191:22
Cudahy 191:2, 11
culminated 72:4
cultural 100:6
cumulative 11:23
cure 127:19
curious 119:16 155:2
188:9
current 16:15, 16 17:6,
17, 19 22:22 23:1
Public Hearing
40:25 41:12, 21, 22
64:7 65:6 86:1 96:4
108:7 117:19 119:18
133:7 139:1 141:5
146:22 147:5 148:14,
21 151:6 158:15, 21
162:18 164:23 167:15
177:17, 23 186:3
199:21 201:1 204:24
currently 16:11 26:10
29:21, 25 32:12 68:5,
12 86:7 101:7 105:4
112:8 126:15 139:9, 10
142:9, 11 162:5 165:25
173:25 186:14 199:17
203:19 204:21 205:13,
15 206:13 209:17
219:23
curve 55:12
customers 17:20, 22
58:21 89:21 98:11
99:13 213:5, 20 220:20
227:11
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Daily 25:22 67:22
93:23 117:20, 21 162:3
dam 219:6
damage 144:3
Dan 25:7, 11 31:9
37:17 42:12 43:16
44:24 78:7 88:12
92:25 137:3 195:14
dangerous 157:9
Daniel 131:23 136:12
data 32:1 55:1
date 6:14 12:25 40:3
126:2 149:19 168:12
178:3 215:18
Dated 229:16
dates 222:18
Dave 45:6 211:2
David 190:14, 25 208:18
Davies 226:2
Dawn 206:9
day 13:10 18:24 19:17
21:6, 11 22:17, 17, 18
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46:1, 2, 6, 14 49:16
50:1 51:14 54:18, 20
55:18 56:14, 15 58:16
59:12, 21, 23 60:2, 11,
25 61:5, 8, 8, 10, 10, 21
62:4, 18, 20, 23 63:3, 20,
21, 24 64:3, 7, 16 65:5,
7, 21 66:2, 4, 18 67:13,
18, 20, 22, 25 68:3, 15, 17
70:9, 11, 17 71:17 72:1,
11, 15, 17, 24 73:21
74:4, 14, 19 75:4, 9
76:24, 25 77:19, 23
78:2, 16, 21 79:12, 19,
22, 23, 25 80:10, 25
81:10, 15, 19, 25 82:8,
15, 23 83:2, 8, 16, 18
84:16 85:12, 19, 22
86:4, 7, 11, 13, 14, 22, 23
87:21, 23, 25 88:22
89:6, 10, 11, 14, 24, 25
90:4, 10, 13 91:7, 18
92:6, 17, 24 93:6, 7, 9,
13, 14, 22 95:4, 5, 6, 9, 10,
12, 19, 21, 25 96:2, 3, 6, 8,
19, 20, 21, 22, 24, 25 97:2,
18 98:2, 2, 10, 12, 24
99:2, 3, 6, 12, 23 100:16,
17 101:7, 11, 14, 20, 22,
25 102:5 103:9, 12, 19,
21 104:7, 11, 16, 20, 21
105:9 106:6 107:2, 5, 7,
9, 10, 12, 19, 19, 21, 24
108:1, 4, 11 109:23, 23
110:2, 7, 24, 25 111:1, 2,
9, 11, 12, 14, 17, 22
112:21 114:22, 24
116:19, 23, 25 117:13,
14, 20 118:23, 24, 24
119:2, 13, 15, 18, 24
120:2, 7 121:23 123:5,
24, 24 124:24 125:3, 4,
7, 14, 23 126:4, 14, 16, 17,
18 127:16 128:7, 19, 21
129:5, 5 131:2, 4, 5, 6
132:20 133:1, 11, 16, 20
134:12, 19, 21, 22, 24
135:2, 5, 8, 15, 19 136:6
137:6, 8, 14, 22 138:3, 9,
12, 17, 20, 22 139:3, 11,
19 140:16 141:1, 10, 12,
15, 19 142:2, 11, 13, 16,
19 143:8, 25 144:6, 12,
13, 18, 22 145:5, 10
146:24 147:2, 5, 6, 12,
20 148:16 149:13, 14
150:9, 18 151:3, 12
152:11, 16, 19, 24 153:2,
24 154:12, 17, 24
155:16, 20 156:2, 14, 17
157:7, 19 158:14, 20, 24
Public Hearing
160:3, 18 161:12, 14, 18,
22, 24 162:1, 9, 11, 17, 18,
20, 23 163:10 164:5, 10,
22 165:12, 13, 15, 18, 24,
25 166:1, 3, 5, 8 167:24
168:1, 5, 10, 11, 14, 18, 23,
24 172:21, 24 173:10
174:12, 12 176:16, 17,
20, 23 177:3, 4, 12, 21, 22,
23 178:1, 2, 22, 23
179:2, 3, 14, 18, 24
180:9, 13, 18, 20, 22
181:5, 11 183:3, 5, 6, 10,
11, 15, 20 184:2, 3, 4, 4,
13, 19 185:5, 18, 20
186:3, 6, 6, 9, 11, 13, 15,
19 187:5 188:10, 15, 21,
22, 24 189:1, 2, 3, 17
190:1 191:16, 25
192:17 193:10, 11, 16
194:12, 19 195:4, 13, 14,
18 197:6, 9, 16, 24
198:5, 9, 10, 15, 18
199:4, 9, 11, 14, 15, 16, 18,
23 200:1, 2, 13, 14, 17, 25
201:1, 4, 23 203:14, 17,
18 204:9, 10, 14, 18, 19,
20, 24 205:6, 17, 19, 19,
22 206:2, 22 207:3, 6,
10, 15, 18 208:7 209:1,
8, 10, 18, 19, 22 210:2, 2,
5, 15, 17, 18, 23 212:10
213:2 214:9, 14 215:4,
7, 10, 17, 20, 24 216:1, 7,
17, 25 217:5, 6, 19, 25
218:2, 7, 11, 14, 15, 17, 18,
21 219:6, 25 220:6, 11,
12, 15, 17, 21, 24 221:6
222:5, 12, 19, 19, 22, 23
223:3 224:13, 14, 23, 25
225:8, 9, 13, 20, 22
226:8 227:3, 5, 13, 18
water, 155:1
water-dependent 170:22
water-efficient 227:4
watering 218:12
waters 11:4, 24 26:14
33:15 61:22 116:7
157:23, 25 170:4, 22
172:5 182:5 202:17
WaterSense 183:23
213:22 214:3
WaterSense-approved
183:16
watershed 10:2 61:17
111:10 128:16 163:8
164:2, 4, 21 225:9, 10, 14
watersheds 140:11
waterway 112:22
waterways 142:1
Waukesha 2:18 3:5
4:2, 12, 18, 23 5:8, 9, 20
12:13 13:2, 4 14:1, 25
17:8, 8 18:25 19:1
20:19, 20 21:25 22:3
24:16, 22 25:7, 12, 13,
15, 19 28:4, 12 29:16
30:8 31:7, 10, 13 32:21,
25 34:5, 13 35:12 37:5,
17 40:18 42:10, 13, 25
43:16, 17 44:21 46:4,
10 47:5 48:2 49:16
51:13 54:9 55:14 57:7,
7, 13 58:3, 11 59:17
61:13 62:4 63:14, 18
65:6, 8, 13, 20 66:3, 24,
25 67:7, 17, 20 68:18,
25 69:14, 24 70:6
71:22 73:7 74:2, 5, 11,
14, 20 76:9 77:7, 17, 18
78:16 79:5, 8, 9, 12, 15,
18, 24 80:5, 16 81:3, 17,
21 82:1, 6, 25 85:6, 6,
10, 12, 18, 25 86:5, 6, 9,
24 87:2, 4, 9, 11, 21, 25
88:8, 11 89:9, 13, 22
90:13, 19, 20, 21, 22, 25
91:3, 15, 18 92:8, 18, 20,
24 94:1, 11, 14, 17, 25
95:18, 22 96:1, 17, 18,
18, 23 97:2, 24 99:8
101:6, 20 103:14, 20
104:11 105:3, 14
106:10, 21 107:6 111:9,
16 112:14, 23 114:4, 12,
16 115:12, 17 116:19
117:2, 12 119:1, 16, 21
122:2, 8, 10, 14 123:18,
22 125:13, 25 126:11,
13 127:2, 4, 18 128:3,
10 129:16, 23 130:6, 7
131:4, 13 133:8, 19
134:9, 17, 20, 23 135:4
136:1 137:5, 11 138:3,
18 139:9 140:5, 7
141:7 143:6, 7 144:11,
13 145:5 146:16, 18, 22
147:20 148:2, 2, 4, 8
149:4, 6, 16 150:3, 8, 18,
24 152:1, 3 153:11, 18,
19, 19, 20, 24 155:20, 24
158:19 159:15, 17, 18,
23, 25 160:19 161:18,
23 162:5, 16 164:15
166:6 167:23 168:2, 8,
11, 16 169:1, 6 170:14
171:12 172:10, 18, 19,
22 173:8, 20, 23 174:6
176:24 177:1, 7, 7, 11,
19 178:15, 16, 22 179:5,
11, 14, 18, 23 181:17, 18,
20 183:2, 3, 6, 14, 18, 20
184:2, 3, 5, 24 185:1, 6,
10, 15 186:8 188:2
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8, 14, 15 194:11, 12
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196:16 197:8 198:4, 8,
12, 19 199:2, 3, 6, 17
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22, 23 204:7, 15, 19
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14 207:9, 14 209:1, 19
210:1, 3, 10, 14 211:7,
11, 15 212:3, 10, 14, 25
213:2, 6, 15 214:9, 14
215:19 218:13 219:23,
25 220:2 221:5 222:5
223:3 224:2, 3, 19
225:2, 14, 19 226:7
227:18
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Waukesha's 2:13 13:16
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18 67:12 69:17 71:25
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92:16, 20 93:7, 13 94:3,
7 95:3, 6 96:3 104:4, 9
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11 112:7 117:19 118:8,
17, 19, 22 119:4, 6, 18, 23
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24 157:5, 11, 17 158:12
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25 166:8, 15, 25 167:15
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14 172:7 176:16
177:16 185:19 186:2,
19 187:9 196:18
197:16, 20 198:1 204:1
205:23 206:1 214:12
215:14, 22 224:21
WaukeshawDiversion.org
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Wauwatosa 195:19
215:1
way 7:20 23:8, 25
35:12 37:13 41:1
45:11 48:13 53:11
55:19 57:16 70:16
88:14, 16 94:13, 17
98:13, 21 101:19
137:13 146:25 157:18
186:20 204:6 205:20
210:22
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ways 9:1 16:4 47:25
81:16, 18 99:9
WDNR 165:22
wealth 193:5
wealthier 193:2
wealthy 193:13
wear 23:14
weather 213:24 214:13
web 39:14
website 4:17, 24 6:21,
22, 24 7:9 9:3, 5 12:9,
11, 14, 16 47:9 48:6, 7,
17, 18 150:11
week 130:16 173:21
218:13
weeks 206:20
weight 49:8 190:7
weighted 192:20
welcome 25:14 45:17
54:13 94:24 145:14
175:22 191:3, 10
193:24 224:4, 16
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12:3 23:6, 20 30:13
32:16, 19, 19, 20 35:23
38:1 41:21 47:10, 22
48:6, 18 51:6 53:19, 24
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77:23 91:1 94:16
102:17 112:18 115:4
116:9 132:5 135:1, 10,
19 151:22 160:16
162:4 169:12 179:9, 20
180:22 188:6, 13 189:6
193:24 196:4 207:20
222:13
well-being 133:1
well-run 56:19
wells 22:23, 24 23:13,
16 26:1, 2, 5 41:6, 7, 7,
22 42:20 43:1, 4 74:15
82:18, 22 86:3, 20
135:3, 5, 8 138:2 139:1
144:3 147:7 154:6
155:6, 9 162:17, 21, 22
167:25 177:14, 15
181:1, 9 186:12 195:6
199:24 215:23
went 16:7 22:20 33:10
64:4 88:13 142:19
195:4 211:21 222:9
224:7, 10 228:3
we're 9:19 10:13 13:1,
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74:18 77:2 94:20, 21
95:1, 23 98:8, 8 101:5
110:18 111:18 113:7
124:4 128:11, 17, 20
131:16 134:21 136:24
Public Hearing
153:20 164:2 169:18
170:18, 21 186:23
195:15, 19 218:5
west 13:3 71:23 80:5
100:4 140:12, 17
182:21 184:16 191:12
193:3 195:11 211:2
221:22 224:7 225:4
western 22:3 34:5, 13
96:11 127:16 135:2
wetlands 22:1 42:2
80:14 83:4 128:13
174:14 180:23 221:14
we've 15:10 62:20
70:19 73:25 76:20
99:10, 18 120:25 122:8
127:21, 22 133:19
171:11 186:1 203:1
219:14
whatnot 193:4
Wheeler 97:10 102:22
117:5
white 114:5, 8, 10
117:17
Whitewater 65:18
wider 55:16
widespread 160:14
wife 73:6 122:4 191:21
Wildlife 145:19 146:9
147:18 156:17 161:17
166:19 178:5 221:12
William 131:22
willing 32:2 64:9 90:12
144:17 163:9
window 49:4
windowless 102:12
Wingspread 215:9
Winnepeg 224:10
winner 173:5, 5
Winsett 178:9
winter 113:6
wipe 115:2
Wisconsin 2:18 4:3 5:4,
8, 18 7:3 12:18, 21
13:25 15:11 16:11
17:21, 25 25:4 26:18
29:19 30:10 32:5 33:9,
12 34:10, 22, 25 41:17
45:5 47:5, 22 54:9
63:24 65:18 69:7, 8, 25
75:2 79:5 81:1, 2 83:6
91:14 93:10 95:8, 10
97:1, 13, 18 98:6, 25
101:18 102:23, 24
103:10, 24 104:14, 17,
18 108:9, 21 110:7, 17,
18 113:18, 19, 20
119:25 122:5 124:10
125:13 133:23 134:6
136:1 137:12 140:3, 5
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9, 12 147:18 150:9, 24
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162:13 165:19 168:4,
15 170:16 171:12, 21
176:11, 14 177:2
178:17 180:4, 10, 14, 16
183:1, 1 184:14, 16, 18
185:25 186:16, 18
187:24 188:4, 13
189:11, 20 190:4, 8
191:2 192:13 193:3, 20
194:11 195:7 202:7, 10
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217:19 223:4 226:3, 5
227:17 229:1, 7, 16
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146:4, 13 149:22
154:16 171:19 185:8,
17 188:7, 17 189:25
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wish 50:22 51:1 120:14
158:10 223:23 228:1
wishes 228:8
withdrawing 42:11
163:10
withdrawn 11:13
witnessed 58:5
Wolf 194:3, 10
Wolfram 211:2
woman 207:7
Women 166:20
won 206:23
wonder 136:4
wonderful 78:24 217:23
wondering 163:5
Woods 153:11
word 57:2 120:8
words 53:21, 23, 23
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workforce 57:14, 19
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169:11 178:7 193:24
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yesterday 5:7, 15 25:24
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Public Hearing - City of Waukesha Diversion Application

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