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Part 2 - MarketingSherpa
MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Take a Look Inside: Building Your Subscription Base Through Segmentation and Usability Session Description Building a loyal, relationship-focused experience for both new and returning visitors starts with increasing the usability of the site. In the process of testing features like ‘Look inside the Magazine,’ guest checkout, and a variety of site search results pages, Magazines. com has developed experiences tailored to many audiences in order to maximize the functionality of their site and appeal to and deliver relevant content to all visitors. Hear lessons learned around acquiring online subscriptions, establishing long term consumer education goals, and site optimization based on customer behavior. About the Presenter Kate O’Neill Director of Customer Experience & Product Development, Magazines.com Kate O’Neill leads the Customer Service Experience group at Magazines.com in which she has begun to establish a culture of experimentation to build the business by serving the customer. She formerly managed content at Netflix during the company’s early years, developing Presentation MODERATOR: All right. Thank you very much. All right, so we’ve got one session left before lunch. In this session we’ll be exploring - well, let me take a step back. I think all of us have gone and looked at a hypothesis and said to ourselves, “This is just implicitly true. This is self-evident, we don’t even need to test it.” In our next session, Kate O’Neill from Magazines.com is going to explain why that is never – that you never are sure. With that, Kate, why don’t you come on up. Thanks. Kate O’Neill: All right. A little bit about Magazines. com. I realized after I looked at this slide today, to say largest online subscription agent is a little vague in this room. Online magazine subscription agent is really much more accurate. We are an aggregator. We carry about 1,800 magazines, both B-to-B and B-to-C titles. We carry about a million subscriptions annually. its content strategy to support the subscriber base and inform the customer experience. More recently, O’Neill held a core contributor role throughout a legacy intranet replacement project with Hospital Corporation of America in which she principally guided search and content strategy for 200,000 employees across more than 300 hospitals and business units. In marked contrast to her modern professional life, O’Neill resides in an antebellum brick cottage near downtown Nashville, Tenn. with her husband, their six cats and their neverending renovation plans. About magazines.com Magazines.com is the oldest, the largest and the most dependable magazine subscription service on the Internet. We are a privately-held company based in Franklin, Tenn., a suburb of Nashville. Our major investors include Anderson Media (one of the country’s largest wholesale-distributors of magazines, music, books and video) and Time Inc. (publisher of leading titles such as People, Sports Illustrated and Time). In 2003, Mazagines.com acquired the leading online subscriptions service for free business magazines. Magazines.com was recently ranked by comScore as one of the Top 100 U.S. Internet Properties and has appeared on the TODAY show as one of the best gift ideas for Christmas, birthdays and other occasions. That’s kind of an old number. It’s probably higher than that. I haven’t got the actual numbers up to date. We’re actively trying to switch our focus from the subscription orientation to a subscriber orientation, so that was a really great session for me to hear, the last one. About myself, my title here, as you can see, is probably the longest title ever. Director of Customer Experience and Product Development. What that basically means is I have too much to do. I kind of own the site, you could say, so from a new feature development perspective, analytics, optimization, all of that sort of stuff, it all falls into my small group, my A-team. My background educationally is in linguistics, so I come at this from a little bit of a different perspective than folks who have a purely marketing and purely technology perspective. To me it’s a lot about the semantic and syntactic structures of how you communicate online. So if I go off on a tangent with that, that’s probably why. © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 83 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Take a Look Inside: Building Your Subscription Base Through Segmentation and Usability When I first joined Magazines.com in January of last year, there were a lot of features and functionality that people talked about wanting to add to the site that customers had been asking for in the call center for a long time, that email requests had come in, and some of those were that people wanted to be able to check out without registering. They wanted to be able to take a peek at the content of magazines, similar to the Amazon ‘Look Inside The Book’ feature, or Barnes and Noble just launched the Zinio feature, if you guys have seen that. More interactive site experience. They wanted to have more of a Web 2.0 feel and more personalized content. So little by little over the last year and a half we have tested an awful lot of these things. I actually have case study data on all of these, and I tried to work it into this presentation, and it’s just too much. Instead, I’m just going to focus on this look-inside piece, which as mentioned, is kind of the great moral case study in why you should always test. Of course, the best way to find out what users want is going one on one, talking with users and asking input, right? You’ll hear directly from them what they want. The problem – interview a series of people and watch what they do, look where they go, see where they click. Kind of get a real intimate sense of how the user actually uses the site, then ask them, “Why are you doing what you’re doing? Why did you click where you clicked? Give me some insight on that.” Well, the problem with that is users don’t know why they do what they do, or click where they click, and this sort of thing. They just do it. When you ask them why they do what they do, they make stuff up. This is where we found ourselves, with an awful lot of our usability studies, is asking users in usability studies, “Why are you clicking on that?” And them saying, “I don’t know, it’s just – it was red.” OK, now we have a lot of red on our site. It’s too much red now. It can be really, really difficult to know the difference between actual good user feedback that’s useable data, and made-up stories. The problem with made-up data, of course, is that people will often claim a bias that they don’t really have, or they’ll say that they need something that they don’t really need. I know this is a skill that you acquire through doing user research, knowing the different sort of – the wheat and the chaff sort of separation – knowing when people are telling you something that’s fundamental versus something that’s fluff, right? So 84 | the best way to get the unbiased data is probably to do onsite testing and more specifically, onsite multivariable testing. Then you can look to your analytics platform for opportunities to test, and to find those hidden gems of opportunity that you can exploit. My last point here, formulate hypotheses and then test. Don’t just test random stuff. It’s very tempting when you first get – we signed with Offermatica a year ago, and it was tempting to just throw things out on the site and test them. Red buttons, let’s try blue buttons, see if those work. That’s great, but without a hypothesis behind the test it doesn’t lead to a whole lot of insight. It just leads to noise, and sometimes lift and sometimes not, then you have to kind of go back and figure out what you were testing. For us, with the look-inside test, after hearing repeatedly that people wanted to be able to have this preview feature, we started formulating what the hypothesis really was. For us, it was we think that visitors would want to utilize a tool that would allow them to preview a sample issue of the magazine. Our success metric there would be the click rate. If that was true, people would be clicking on that feature. We hypothesized, also, that the presence of a preview tool may boost visitor confidence in the site. They may think we’re a more rich, robust site, that we have more technology experience, that we have – that sort of thing – more to offer in expertise. In that sense maybe the success factor for us would be just the product conversion rate for those test participants, and that the people who were actually already visiting the product where the feature was appearing would convert at a higher rate. Another hypothesis may be that the presence of that tool may simply enhance the user experience and it may make the experience more rich. We thought maybe a success factor there would be that visitor conversion rates overall on the site would increase, not necessarily associated with any given product. The problem with onsite testing is that people behave differently, and that random groups of people behaving differently in different contexts can cancel each other out and make themselves look invisible. What we were trying to prepare for was what we’d seen in other tests occur, that if you have a group of people that are very happily accepting one variation, and then another group of people that are very happily accepting another variation, but overall it’s about the same acceptance rate in those two groups, and they’re about equal © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Take a Look Inside: Building Your Subscription Base Through Segmentation and Usability groups, it looks like nothing’s happening unless you’re segmenting properly, and so on. We started also trying to think about segments that made a lot of sense for which kinds of users would be most interested in a preview functionality. What kind of users would most respond to this sort of functionality? Here’s the setup of our look-inside test. You can see, sort of in the background here is the standard product detail page, in this case for Entertainment Weekly, and what we have shown in the blue here is two variations of the look-inside bug, the button that would take you to the preview feature. We deliberated over this for a long time. You’ve probably seen this feature on a number of websites in various forms. A lot of the time when you see this kind of feature, like on Amazon, for example, you’ll see an overlay over top of a cover image, or a book image. We thought about that for a long time, and we thought what we were testing, in most cases, were weekly magazines, and it was going to be very difficult to ensure that the cover image that was on the site, and the issue that was actually shown in the preview tool were one and the same. If it were not the same, it would produce a negative user experience, we thought. So we thought we wanted to keep it away from the cover image during the test period, just so that we would have less difficulty, less interference of that element. We kept it away. We talked about verbiage of how to say not explore this issue, or preview this issue, or preview this magazine, but explore an issue. It was more sort of a generic sense that you’re going to get to see inside a magazine. It isn’t necessarily this issue of this magazine, but you’ll get to see it. Whether or not that’s actually what users were wanting, who can say? We tested it, we talked anecdotally with friends and family to kind of get a feel for that. This was the way we decided to set it up. Some other considerations with that were that this was a feature that was hosted by Time, Inc. They’re an investor in Magazines.com. I don’t know if there’s any Time, Inc. people here today. They were prototyping this feature on their own, and we were able to include it in our testing. It was for 14 Time, Inc. titles, and these were all fairly well known titles. That was one consideration. It also meant that the feature itself was making an external call off of the Magazines.com site over to the Time, Inc. servers. That was one factor in the whole setup. Also, the test ran during the holiday season. It was about November, early-December, timeframe. For us, that’s an extremely busy season. It’s an extremely high converting season. Our conversion rate about triples or quadruples during that time, so it’s a little bit skewed. We know that for sure. It’s also a heavily gifter-oriented time period, so we don’t know whether that has some noise factor in the results, but there it is. The preview tool, as I said, appeared with 14 Time, Inc. titles, and it appeared on product detail pages. So implicitly, the visitor has already expressed an interest in that product before they’ve even encountered the feature. There’s an element that’s kind of a confusing or a conflicting element as well, and we’ve definitely tried to think about that in retrospect. There for your consideration are some of the elements that went with the tests. The results were, to us, a little surprising. After such confidence that this was going to be a conversion boosting tool, it actually suppressed conversion in almost every case. One of the main features we think that was, or one of the main attributes, that was negative was that it was very slow to load. I don’t know if any of you had an opportunity to experience the feature on our site, or have experienced it on other sites, where you have a pop-up window, and then it just sits there, and it turns in cycles, and you’re kind of going, “Hmm,” especially during the holiday season when you’re trying to buy gifts for somebody. It’s probably not a very good experience. So we recognize that may have been a complicating factor. In any case, visitors who did click on the feature were more likely to click on the preview verbiage than the explorer verbiage, for whatever that’s worth. Again, variations did result in a drop in conversions, but that drop in conversion was only slightly greater with preview than it was with Explorer, so they clicked more on preview than they did with Explorer, and the drop in conversion was only slightly greater. Overall, the more established titles showed fewer clicks than the less established titles did. That was kind of interesting to us, too. Much less interest from people in clicking on those. Presumably people are already familiar with those titles; they don’t necessarily need to see a preview of it. The lesser known titles – somewhat lesser known titles, they’re still fairly well known, Sports Illustrated Kids, Health, Style Watch, Money – these had a higher click %age. Then in both cases, kind of reversed. The greater the click %age was, the higher the drop in conversion. © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 85 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Take a Look Inside: Building Your Subscription Base Through Segmentation and Usability It’s a little bit confusing, counter-intuitive. I hope that makes sense. It’s a lot of text on this slide. That’s the gist of it. I’ll leave some time for questions, I think. The point of this for me is to take a step back and to say, “Wow, that’s a very counter- intuitive result, so what am I supposed to do with that information?” For me, the answer is to take a step back, look at the results and try to find what you’re actually being told by those results. I like to say find the story within the story. To figure out – in this case we had subjective information that told us that people wanted this feature – maybe they really didn’t – and objective information that told us that however the feature was presented, it didn’t work. Trying to figure out exactly why is the science, or the art and science of it all. Then for me to look for the unobvious as well as the obvious answer. MODERATOR: Oh, absolutely. OK, thank you very much. Perhaps it really made more sense to have this feature appear on lesser known titles, or long-tail titles. With them appearing on very popular Time, Inc. titles, maybe it’s not as useful of a tool. So when we have another opportunity to run this test again, we’ll definitely be trying to run it with some longer-tail titles. Again, the test ran during the holidays, so perhaps there’s some sort of conflict of having this feature in place where gifters are involved, and where the motive is to find something that makes sense for a gift for your daughter, or son, or husband, or wife, or whatever, and maybe you’re not as familiar with Golf Digest, or Golf, I think, was one of the titles, as your husband would be, or whatever. You can imagine the scenario. Running the test at another time of year would certainly be a variation that I would be interested in running. The next conclusion is that it feels to me like the viewer holds the title to a higher standard of quality than not having the viewer does. And certainly holds the viewer content to a higher standard of quality, if that makes sense. What we were thinking is that the option to have the viewer only makes sense if you’re able to show a more unilateral approach across the site to that tool, and to be able to say, “Here’s the inside of that magazine. If you don’t like it, here are some other options that you can explore.” So more a discovery model. I think it’s a really good piece of a discovery model, but we don’t have a very good discovery model that supports it. One interesting conclusion for me is that it maybe it’s a part of a suite of discovery tools, and because the rest of those tools were lacking, it couldn’t succeed. That may have implications for you all in your work too. Again, essentially having that viewer poses a risk unless we’re able to back it up. 86 | Participant: One question that I have is the site capable of dynamically delivering content based on whether – let’s say you knew somebody was a gifter based on their behavior? Kate O’Neill: Yes. Yes, it is. In fact, one of the case studies that I was going to include in this presentation today was about some dynamic testing that we ran with our home page where we found that visitors to the women’s category expressed more affinity for a given layout of the home page. We could certainly try gifting and non-gifting variations – or any number of other segments that we would try. Yeah, certainly. Participant: Hello. I was wondering how long of a delay there was in bringing up the content when you clicked through? Do you believe that was a significant impact? Kate O’Neill: Yeah, I think it was a significant impact. Thank you for the question. I think it was significant. It was a long delay, in my experience, depending on your internet connection, of course, depending on whether you had things cached. All these different factors came into play, but when we were – one of my staff and I were visiting our Summit, New Jersey office, and they had an internet outage earlier in the morning, and so things were a little shaky on their Internet connection that day, and one of them tried to pull up the viewer, and it felt like it just took five minutes. Clearly that’s not an experience that a customer is going to stick around for. We felt like there was good feedback there, and kind of a good learning. Definitely I feel like that contributed. MODERATOR: OK, we’ve got another question over here. Participant: Along those same lines, how can you tell when it’s an issue with your product versus an issue with your presentation? So is it that they didn’t like the viewer at all, or was it that they didn’t like that viewer, or the way that it was implemented? How can you tell the difference? Kate O’Neill: Yeah, and that’s a really good question. I feel like the answer comes back into balancing the subjective and the objective testing. I think going back with some paper prototypes and sitting with actual users, and showing different mockups of a viewer tool, and talking through if this feature is placed on top of this image will that make more sense, and so on. We © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Take a Look Inside: Building Your Subscription Base Through Segmentation and Usability have done that. We have talked to some users. We just haven’t gotten a solid set of responses that we feel really nails it for us. Then balancing that against let’s try maybe having – laying it over top of the image and seeing if that’s a better experience. So I feel like it just means iterations upon iterations of testing, in this case, where there’s such confusing results. Obviously, not every test is going to have such conflicting and confusing results, and you’ll hope that you can just go yeah, scored one. Just push that aside and make that the benchmark for future studies. Yeah, it’s complicated I think. Participant: Yeah, Kate I’m interested to know – you mentioned that there was a technical problem with the viewer, and it was hosted on a different server. Will you be retesting once that technical fault is corrected, and maybe you’d have a cleaner test? I’m also interested to know if were you able to track how many people opened the viewer, and then exited because it was taking too long, and never went past that point? How many people sat through the four-minute load and got past that point and saw how those two different audiences differed in their ultimate subscriptions? Kate O’Neill: That’s a great question. The second part of that question – I always like to start with the end. The second part of that question, honestly we had no ability to do that since we weren’t hosting the tool, and it was a very complex kind of arrangement, so we lost that visibility. But, if you were all trying something where you had any kind of complex feature that you’re testing, I do encourage you to use that metric, as you so cleverly pointed out, knowing the difference between someone who actually sat there and waited, and was that persistent. How do they convert versus someone who’s frustrated and obviously shows very little patience for your site, your brand, and then wants to move on? Then the first part of that, yes, we absolutely do intend to retest with a more – I don’t mean to say more stable environment – but maybe a more predictable environment for us. Participant: Have you been able to track conversion by segment, looking at ISPs and what type of connection those people had? There might have been some lift on broadband users, and just more results on dial-up, and then it goes to your overall kind of bad result, but maybe it’s a better experience just for people with very fast connections. Kate O’Neill: That’s a really good question, and we did actually look at that. Surprisingly, there wasn’t a whole lot of difference between the dial-up visitors versus the broadband visitors. I think it – a combination of that visibility and with the visibility the previous gentleman was asking about – would probably have been very informative to us, but as it was, just the speed of the connection didn’t seem to make any discernible difference in whether people converted or didn’t convert, or clicked or didn’t click. MODERATOR: We had a another question up there – Participant: Hi Kate. In one of the first slides, you mentioned that you should know what your customers want. How long does it take to incorporate all of those wants in your product, especially when you’re competing with start-up companies that are just making changes within like half an hour, twenty minutes, or so? With a larger corporation, especially, it takes longer. What did you guys do? Kate O’Neill: I lost some of the question, but I think the gist of it was how do we make those changes that people were asking for, or how quickly can we make them? Participant: Yeah, how quickly. Kate O’Neill: I think it’s been – we’ve been able to do sort of a first iteration of most of those features, most of the feature requests that I was aware of when I joined the company a year and a quarter ago. We’ve tried a little of everything. Some of the things have – some of the tests, for example, we completely rewrote our checkout process and we did allow users to complete a checkout without the perception of having registered for checkout. They, in fact, do create an account as they go through the process, they just aren’t really aware that they’re creating an account because there’s no barrier before they do so. That has produced wonderful lift and conversion for us. That’s funding a lot of the testing that we do. I think that, for me, that feels like the answer to the question is that we’ve looked for the winners, and the winners have really given us the momentum to keep going through these other tests and trying to slowly make our way into greatness – test our way to greatness. © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 87 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Take a Look Inside: Building Your Subscription Base Through Segmentation and Usability I think our site, if you look at it today, it’s not a very pretty site. We’re certainly looking at a redesign, and a grand relaunch and this sort of thing, but what we’ve been mostly concerned with has been trying to make sure that the experience, from end to end, from prepurchase through post-purchase, and through renewal, makes sense for the user, and the type of thing where we look for the opportunity and clean it up and exploit it, make sure that users are happy with that process. It gives us the momentum to keep going with these other tests. Participant: Can you actually track what they’ve purchased and go back to respond to them with a more personalized email in the future that would say, “Based on what you’ve purchased in the past …” Kate O’Neill: Yes. MODERATOR: OK, I think that’s it for questions. Kate, thank you very much. It’s been very helpful. Participant: Hi, how are you, Kate? Kate O’Neill: Hi. Participant: Question for you. In the beginning of your presentation you mentioned the ability to check out – people wanted the ability to check out without registering. How have you guys gathered customer data to provide a more personalized content experience, and have you guys, in some of your segmentation testing, have you addressed that question? Kate O’Neill: That’s a great question. As I mentioned, people actually are creating an account as they go through checkout, they just aren’t really aware of creating the account. They are cookied as they go through our site and through the checkout. They do have a user account that they can come back in. When a user comes back to the site, as we prompt them to do, they are able to log in by their email address and having a password mailed to them, just like the forgotyour-password process. So they have an account, they go into their account, and now we’re able to provide them with a logged-in user experience even though they didn’t feel like they had to create an account. That was the one piece that really stood out to us from some of the early usability testing that we did, is people kept coming across the barrier of providing their email address to create an account and going like, “Oh, wait a minute. Am I going to get a bunch of spam now?” It was just interesting to us. We kind of took a step back from that and said, “All right. Well, if that’s such a big barrier for people, let’s make them feel like they’re just proceeding, and the email address is just one piece of information that they’re providing that’s just a natural piece of data gathering in order to get through the process.” 88 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Take a Look Inside: Building Your Subscription Base Through Segmentation and Usability Take a Look Inside: Building Your Subscription Base through Segmentation & Usability Kate O’Neill, Director, Customer Experience & Product Development Magazines.com Monday, May 12, 2008 More data on this topic available from:: About Us About Magazines.com: About Kate O’Neill More data on this topic available from:: Largest online subscription agent Over 1 million subscriptions annually Director, Customer Experience & Product Development Technologist-cum-marketer Joined Magazines.com in January 2007 2 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 89 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Take a Look Inside: Building Your Subscription Base Through Segmentation and Usability Getting Real-World Results Some of the many things we “knew” customers wanted: Ability to check out without registering Ability to look inside magazines More interactive site experience More personalized content More data on this topic available from:: 3 Best way to get real user input? More data on this topic available from:: Go one-on-one: do usability testing Interview a series of different people Watch what they do where they click what they notice Ask them why they do what they do click where they click notice what they notice 4 90 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Take a Look Inside: Building Your Subscription Base Through Segmentation and Usability The problem with 1:1 testing? More data on this topic available from:: People don’t know why they do what they do click where they click notice what they notice And when you ask them, they make stuff up It can be very hard to tell the difference between usable data and made-up explanations 5 The problem with made-up “data” People will often claim a bias that they don’t really have More data on this topic available from:: 6 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 91 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Take a Look Inside: Building Your Subscription Base Through Segmentation and Usability Best way to get unbiased data? Onsite multi-variable testing (MVT) Look to analytics for opportunities Analyze high-traffic areas as well as hidden gems Formulate hypotheses and then test (Don’t just test random stuff) More data on this topic available from:: 7 Look Inside: Hypotheses Visitors will want to utilize a tool that allows them to preview a sample issue of a magazine The presence of a preview tool may boost visitor confidence in the title More data on this topic available from:: Success factor: Click rate Success factor: Product conversion rate for test participants The presence of a preview tool may enhance user experience and raise conversion rates Success factor: Visit conversion rate for test participants 8 92 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Take a Look Inside: Building Your Subscription Base Through Segmentation and Usability The problem with onsite testing? People behave differently Different groups of people behaving differently can hide each other by cancelling each others’ actions out By itself, onsite testing only shows you average data More data on this topic available from:: 9 Look Inside: Setup More data on this topic available from:: 10 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 93 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Take a Look Inside: Building Your Subscription Base Through Segmentation and Usability Look Inside: Other Considerations More data on this topic available from:: Feature was hosted by Time Inc. on their servers, so it meant an external call from our product page Test ran during the holiday season, when conversion rate is highest and purchasers are overwhelmingly gifters Preview tool appeared with 14 Time Inc. titles only Appeared on product detail pages, so visitors implicitly had already expressed an interest in the title by visit to the page 11 Look Inside: Results More data on this topic available from:: Received several comments from staff and customers that the tool was slow to load; presumably due to external hosting Visitors more likely to click on Preview offer (4.89% average) vs. Explore (3.85%) Both variations resulted in a drop in conversion Drop in conversion only slightly greater with Preview (-.87%) than with Explore (-.76%) Overall, more established titles (Time, Sports Illustrated, People) had lowest Click % as well as below average drop in conversion of all viewerenabled titles Somewhat lesser-known titles (SI Kids, Health, StyleWatch, Money) had highest Click % and higher than average drop in conversion of all viewer-enabled titles 12 94 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Take a Look Inside: Building Your Subscription Base Through Segmentation and Usability What’s an online marketer to do? Balance subjective & objective testing Find the story behind the story (But know that you may get it wrong) Look for a narrative in onsite testing More data on this topic available from:: (And know that you may get it wrong) (But know that you may get it wrong) Look for the unobvious AND the obvious (And know that you may get it wrong) 13 Look Inside: Conclusions More data on this topic available from:: Perhaps people visiting the product pages of well-known titles are familiar enough with the title that they’re less moved by the option to preview More relevant option with longer-tail titles? Since the test was conducted during the holidays, perhaps titles with highest Click % were gifters who wanted to verify that the content matched the person they were gifting the title to While this holds the title to a higher standard to sample quality content in the viewer (and may present a drop in conversion when the content isn’t impressive), it also allows us the opportunity to aid in discovery in the future – when we can use the product a visitor is considering as the reference point for additional search criteria (i.e. – I want more pictures, or content for a younger child), then we have the opportunity to direct them to a title that is better suited for them (or their gift recipient) and increase overall lifetime value. Essentially – having the viewer poses a risk unless we are able to facilitate a discovery path to present alternatives to a visitor that is not satisfied with a particular title’s content. 14 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 95 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Take a Look Inside: Building Your Subscription Base Through Segmentation and Usability Credits/Thank You Kate O’Neill, Magazines.com 615-778-2129 [email protected] More data on this topic available from:: A special thank you to: Heather Weaver, Magazines.com Brian Hawkins, Omniture Stephanie Yang, Omniture 15 96 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery Session Description The presenters discuss the techniques and tactics that they have successfully implemented to extend LTV (lifetime value) of their paid members. With effective site optimization to creative CRM email marketing strategies, TheLadders.com dramatically increased their revenues and LTV of their customer base. These implementations, along with their successful execution, allowed TheLadders.com to experience package mix shifts to the longer-term subscriptions at initial sign-up along with increased subscription conversion to longerterm subscriptions post sign-up. Learn new approaches on how messaging, design and timing create longer subscriptions for your customer base and increase the bottom line in revenue. About the PresenterS worked at ADP, Volvo Finance North America and TIG Insurance (formerly Transamerica). McCurdy earned his MBA from the University of Dallas and completed his undergraduate work at Dallas Baptist University where he received a Bachelor of Business Administration. Leslie Semegran Director Online Marketing, The Ladders.com Leslie Semegran is the Director of Online Marketing at TheLadders.com. Since joining the company in 2004, she has worked in acquisition, conversion and product marketing helping to grow the site to over 1.7million users. Prior to TheLadders.com, Semegram worked at TheStreet.com as a Marketing Manager. She attended the University of Michigan where she graduated with a BBA. Michael McCurdy Director CRM, The Ladders.com Michael McCurdy currently serves as the CRM Director at TheLadders.com located in New York City where he’s responsible for email marketing communications. Prior to working for TheLadders.com, McCurdy worked in Dallas, Texas for Match.com as Director of CRM Product Marketing where he was responsible for all customer touch point communications for both Match.com and their newest brand Chemistry.com. Prior to Match.com, McCurdy worked for Sabre Holdings (parent company for Travelocity) holding a variety of management positions in strategic marketing, product marketing, product management and portfolio planning. Prior to Sabre he PRESENTATION About TheLadders.com TheLadders.com is the world’s largest online resource catering exclusively to the $100k+ talent market. Located in New York and London, TheLadders.com makes the global search for senior talent quick and effective. By allowing recruiters to directly connect with executive professionals who search qualified leads by function and industry, TheLadders.com has grown into the largest specialty employment website. Founded in 2003, we now have over 1.8 million members, 35,000 recruiters and $10 billion in available job listings. Through TheLadders.com and our UK site, TheLadders.co.uk, we give our members the tools, contacts and opportunities they need to take their next career step. to expand that customer lifetime value. What we’re going to be learning about today is how they’ve done that…Leslie and Michael, come on up. MODERATOR: Let me introduce to you Michael McCurdy and Leslie Semegran. They are here from The Ladders. com. You’re probably familiar with TheLadders. It’s sort of a premier site that connects executives with executive recruiters. I think the cutoff is, what, $100,000 is sort of the line of demarcation there, and they’ve grown quite astonishingly in a very short period of time. Leslie Semegran: Hi, everyone. I’m the Director of Online Marketing and Michael’s the Director of CRM. So, we work together doing all sorts of marketing initiatives on the site and through email and we’re here today to share that with you. One of the ways in which they’ve done that is to identify the key factors in customer lifetime value and to work TheLadders started about four-and-a-half years ago and we’ve really grown the business on direct marketing. But © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 97 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery starting this January, we had our first brand campaign offline and we launched our first national TV commercial so we thought that we’d show it to you. Television Commercial Runs Great. So TheLadders.com, as you can tell, is a job site for $100k+ professionals looking for $100k+ jobs and for those companies and recruiters looking to hire for $100k+ positions. We really help the $100k+ job seekers stand apart from the crowd. We were started by former HotJobs executives who realized there really wasn’t anywhere online where $100k+ or higher paid people could go to stand apart from everyone else that was applying to every position on HotJobs and Monster. So they created the site to help put $100k+ people in an elite crowd where they’re still competing for job positions, but they’re competing against other people that are actually qualified for those positions. We put the job seeker more in control of their job search, so we have a basic and a premium product. Our basic product allows the users to get a taste of what the site is like. They can see some of the listings, they can kind of look around and see what they would get if they pay, and then when they pay they have access to all 80,000 job listings and they have access to a database of recruiters, which is actually the first of its kind. There’s nowhere else that you can go and look for recruiters that can help you with your job search. They can apply to these positions, read content, things of that nature. So we have the subscription fee for the job seeker, which is also one of the first of its kind, where we actually charge the job seeker to get access to this content and it really serves as a velvet rope to put the right people in the right place for these jobs. We have a few different segments; there’s MarketingLadder, SalesLadder, OpsLadder. So the job seekers put themselves in the ladder that’s right for them so they can search for the type of jobs that are appropriate for them. And we actually offer three different types of subscription lengths: We have our $30 subscription, which is for one month, we have $120, which is for six months, and we have $180 which is for an annual subscription. I’m sure a lot of you have the same type of setups with your subscriptions. There’s different lengths and packages that people can choose from. We’ve always had these three types of subscription lengths and when we started looking at the lifetime value of the customer, we said: “Is there a difference 98 | between people who choose the monthly option versus chooses the six and twelve-month option?” And we got our answer: 29 % increase in lifetime value for the sixmonth subs versus the monthly and a 39 % increase in lifetime value for annual subs versus the monthly. So it was really advantageous for us to get our job seekers on the longer term subscriptions, but actually more of them were choosing the monthly as their first choice when they came to our site. So Michael and I took a look at this. It started about a year ago. We do a lot of testing at TheLadders, so we’re going to take you through a bunch of the stuff that we did on our site and through email. First, we looked at what job seekers were choosing when they first joined TheLadders and, like I said, they were mostly choosing the monthly. They were trying it out. It was the least expensive option. They weren’t used to paying for a job service, so it seemed likely that most of them would join the monthly. And we wanted to look at how can we change that. How can we put people on the six and twelve-month subscription without affecting the overall conversion rate? So while it might have been great to get 100% of the people on the annual subscription, we didn’t want to lose our total number of people coming in. So, one of our goals was to keep our conversion rate at either neutral or better than we were seeing before and just look at moving the package mix. And we also said to ourselves: “Well, we have all these people on a monthly. Is there any way that we can get them to move from that to the six and twelve month and extend their lifetime value?” This is a little fuzzy, but I’ll take you through what this page is. So like I said, we have a basic subscription and a premium. When you’re trying to access jobs or apply to certain jobs, you come to an upgrade page. I’m sure most of you have a page like this, which is basically where people put in their credit card. Right from the beginning, we tell them that we want them to upgrade to the premium subscription. We do show a benefits chart here. I know that we discussed that earlier today. So we put it off to the side. If people are interested in more information, they can look over to the left. It shows the difference between basic and premium. We have our different subscription options here and this says: Select your membership. It’s $30 for monthly, $120 for six months, which saves you 33%, and $120 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery for a twelve month, which saves you 50%. Then we ask for the billing information and then we have our red upgrade button, which our red upgrade button will take on the grey button from earlier today any day of the week. But I do suggest everyone try different types of buttons in copy. You never know which one is going to work for you. But for us, it’s always red. So we looked at this page, and we said we have a lot of traffic coming to this page, so we could test relatively quickly how different things might work. And we looked specifically at the area where we offered the memberships and we said, “Is there anything we can do when people come to this page to get them to choose the six month versus the $30 – versus the one month?” So we tried a bunch of different things. First, we tried defaulting to the bottom twelve-month option. We had originally defaulted to the $30 option. It didn’t work. It just didn’t do anything. It didn’t move the results. Then we tried different copy. We spelled out, “This is a twelve-month subscription, this is a six month, this is a one month.” We moved the twelve to the top, we kept the default button here. It also didn’t work. So then we tried something new. We thought: “What’s the real difference between the different subscriptions?” And it really is the discount that you’re getting by paying for the longer period of time. So, we put all of our subscription options in terms of monthly payments, so we really explained the discount that you were getting. We showed that for the annual, you are only paying $15 a month; for the six month, you are only paying $20 a month, and then for the regular monthly, it was $30 a month. We tried this out. We saw a neutral upgrade rate, which is what we wanted. Remember, we didn’t want to lose people in the funnel. We wanted to at least have the same rate if not better. We had a 15% decrease in the percentage of people who were taking the monthly, which was good because we wanted less people on the monthly. And then we had an increase in the amount of people that were taking annual subscriptions, which just increased the lifetime value and the amount of people on the longer lifetime value subscriptions tremendously. We saw a neutral for the six-month subscriptions, so most people were actually just flip-flopping between the monthly and the annual subscription. They were kind of skipping over the middle. But we had kind of a problem. Can anybody guess what it was? Participant: They were canceling throughout the year. Leslie Semegran: Close. Any other guesses? Participant: They thought you were overcharging them. Leslie Semegran: That’s right. So we did too good of a job. People were really confused so they thought that they were signing up for a monthly subscription for $15 and they actually didn’t want to be on the annual subscription, they only wanted to be on the monthly subscription. So we had a lot of people writing in saying things like, “I did not want to sign up for a year, only a month-to-month for $30. Please adjust my billing info and credit my account”. “I signed up for one month of membership and the congratulations page said that I had signed up for one year. I do not yet – so we’ll upsell you later – want to sign up for one year. Please resolve this immediately. Do not charge my card for one year. Only charge $30. I will dispute any bill greater than $30. Thank you very much”. So we did have a lot of people writing into customer service that they were confused. They didn’t actually cancel the service, but they would go and ask for a prorated refund. So they would ask for $150 back, stay on the monthly subscription for $30, and continue their life with TheLadders, but they weren’t staying on the annual subscription as much as we would like. So our refund rate as a whole went up a bit and we just – we focused a lot on customer service and customer satisfaction and so we weren’t totally happy with these results even though we set out to do what we initially wanted. So we tried it again and we kept the same options where we offered $15 a month, $20 a month and $30 a month, but we added more of a description. So this year it says, “You’ll be billed $180 yearly, $120 for six months and $30 month-to-month”. We also added this area which said, “Total charge today: $180.” So, that they knew, even though they were choosing an option that said $15 a month, that they would be charged $180. And when you move from – when you toggle between the options, this amount would change based on which option you chose. So we saw great results with that. We did see a decrease in the refund rate and the people asking for prorated refunds, but it still wasn’t back down to our former level so we’re actually still testing this … On the current page, © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 99 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery we actually offer the subscription options horizontally, something new that we’re trying. We recommend the twelve-month option and we moved the ‘Total Charge Today” to above the button, so on their way down there’s no way that they could miss it. And we’ve maintained the more optimal subscription mix, but we’ve actually moved even more people from the one month to the six-month subscription and we also reduced the refunds requested by 20 %. So, we’re getting a lot closer to where we want to be as far as customer service and extending the lifetime value through the subscription mix. We’re going to continue to test this with different copy and design changes as well. Something else that we did in conjunction with this – every business is different, but at TheLadders, we actually have a lot of people who come to our site, they sign up as premium and then they leave. They get a job or they decide they don’t want to look anymore. They downgrade and then a little while later, their boss pisses them off and they decide, “I’m going to pay for TheLadders again.” So, we thought, for people who’d been on the service before, two things: One, we have your credit card information, so you really don’t have to put it in again and two, you know what the service is like so you’re more likely to take this longer-term subscription because you’ve had exposure to it in the past. So, we started a different upgrade page for these people, for returning visitors, and we have the same type of options - $15, $20 and $30 a month – but we’ve prepopulated all of their credit card information so that we didn’t have to ask them to dig into their purse or their pocket to find their credit card again and type it in. We also show them the total charge amount as it was and we saw a 379% increase in conversion rate over the regular page. So, this was a huge win for us as far as conversion rate and we were able to put these people at the same rate on a longer-term subscription. So, if you do have people that are coming back to the site a few times, paying, leaving, paying, leaving, we definitely suggest looking at pages that are different for the people who have used your service before than for new people who haven’t had exposure yet. So, I’m going to hand it over to Michael, who’s going to talk a little bit about what we do after this point through email and other onsite communication. Michael McCurdy: Thank you, Leslie. What I’m going to take you through are a few of our efforts that we 100 | use to convert our basic members to premium and also extending our premium membership to a longer term subscription. What I’m showing here is an offer that we tested late last year. It was the August, September time frame of last year, 2007, and what we did was we tested six different offers over an eight-week period. And as you can see here, we have $15 off. The one on the left is the actual email and then the landing page is $15 off. Now, if you come to TheLadders.com as a basic member and then you hit an upgrade page that Leslie was showing you earlier and then you abandon that page, you will get this email on the left the following day indicating, “Hey, get $15 off.” And then you’ll go to the landing page and upgrade. So, what we’ve done here is actually we saw a really good success with this email campaign so what we determined we needed to do from a testing perspective is to figure out what is the optimal offer that we should give to people in the process, not only to increase conversion, but also extend the lifetime value. So we were pushing people to the six month and year packaging. So, the offers we tested were a $5 off, 10% off, $15 off, $10 off, 33% off and then 25% off. So I’d like to have a show of hands. Who thinks $5 won in conversion and then also shifting to the longer term mix? $10 off? 33% off? $15 off? 10 % off and 25 % off? OK. It looks like most people picked 33% off or $15 off. And the winner is – let’s see. We’ll find out in November, the winner on that one. Unfortunately, we don’t know that one today. So the winner is actually 25% off. So, what we did here was we monitored the results over an eight-week period, did very controlled testing to make sure the test was accurate. And, if you go back here to the actual creative—so when you’re A/B testing, you want to make sure you don’t have too variables in your A/B test because then the more variables you put into the creative and also the landing page, the longer you have to run the test to see which variable is actually impacting. So the only variable that we changed in each of these creatives was on the email. We just said $15 off or 25% off, and the same on the landing page. That was the only variable that changed. The subject line was the same. The copy was the same in each of these emails. So it was a pure, accurate A/B test. So it was the 25% off. And here are the results of the offer testing: We had the control as the $10 off and then as you can see here, we had conversion to open, the one-month package, which we saw an increase either © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery in the one-month package, the six-month package, the one-year package and then the average cash inflow per week. We can’t give you the actual numbers here, but if there’s a smiley face, that means it is statistically significant. So as you can see here, 25% off and 33% off were winners across the board. But what we noticed here was in the six-month to the one-year package mix, we actually saw a higher increase in the shift in the 25 % off against the 33% off, which was a real interesting finding for us. So we actually – for the cash inflow – we were actually getting more cash inflow for the 25% off versus the 33% off, which kind of goes against conventional wisdom. But that’s why we test to make sure that our test results are actually accurate and we have to go with what the actual test results say. And then you can see here the $5 off did not win anything against the $10 off, the 10 % off won in the package mix shift and then the average cash inflow, and the $15 off did win with the package mix shift, which actually made sense because people were actually getting more money off the longer term packages. The next thing I’d like to talk about is what we call search and rescue. Actually, on our site, compared to Zagat, you can actually turn off auto-renew and cancel online. You don’t have to actually call. So one of the things that we have on our site is where we give people the ability to turn off their auto-renew. So if I’m a premium member today, I sign up today. Tomorrow I can actually turn off auto-renew and then I’ll have 29 days left on my subscription. So we call those people in limbo. That’s what we call them. We do search and rescue efforts, as I like to call it. So what we did here was we actually did an A/B test, and we send this email out a few days prior to the termination of their subscription, kind of our last-ditch effort to get people more involved into the site to see, hey, can we actually get people involved at the site, give them a discount. We actually have a green button here because it went better with the creative on this instance – and then actually get them more involved. So what we did here was this is an A/B test running on the creative. These are the actual emails. We have the A email on the left and the B email on the right and this is what we call LadderStats email. So, what we did here was we actually have all the copies identical in each of these emails, and then we actually tell the member their stats in each of these emails. Well, here on the left, we can say, “Completed your bio?” What your stat is versus our successful members and then we give the value proposition. Ninety-one % of the people who have landed a job through TheLadders completed their bio. So, actually here what we did was we don’t give the person the stats. Here, we actually give the user the stats. So, we’re actually doing a comparison on a A/B test. What would actually win? Would it be more enticing for a member to know their stats on the email itself or actually have them click through? Convention wisdom would probably tell you the clickthrough would actually be more enticing. So, what we did was this was the actual landing page here that the user would land on. So, no matter if we showed the person the stats or not, they’d actually land on this page with the stats incorporated into their landing page so these will be personalized to you as the consumer or the premium member. And then we have the actual memberships. We actually tell the member here, “Reactivate your account and get 25% off.” It’s hard to see here, but we actually tell the member how much additional discount they’ll get. And then like what Leslie was referring to earlier, we have the one-click here, as well, where people can actually reactivate their account and get the total charge today. Then as you can see here, we show the stats. So, we’ll go back to A and B on this page. Who thinks A won as far as converting people? Who thinks B won? I kind of gave it away earlier, so – actually the winner is – actually, B is the winner. So telling the person their stats in the creative actually helped us not only through the conversion effort, but also helped us reactivate members. We saw a 34 % increase in conversion to open, we saw an increase of 50% in conversion delivered and a decrease of 133% in clickthrough, which made sense because we didn’t show the stats in the other email. So even with a 133% decrease in clickthrough, this creative actually won, which kind of goes against conventional wisdom because you would think the higher the clickthrough, the higher the conversion. Participant: That’s net conversion after this? Michael McCurdy: Correct. Participant: So the conversion rate? Michael McCurdy: The overall conversion rate was higher for this creative, yes. OK. One thing that we also do is subscription extension emails with one click. So, if you are a premium member today and you sign up for a month membership or a six-month membership, a © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 101 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery few days after you sign up, we’ll actually send you this email saying, “Hey, get two months free, 33% savings,” to push you to a longer-term subscription. So, in this case, we’re actually pushing someone on a one-month subscription to a six-month subscription. And then if you’re on a six-month, you also get one that has a little different messaging as well to push you to the longerterm subscription. And then we also send this email after someone actually applies to a job. We actually send this based upon user experience where it makes sense where someone might be more enticed to actually extend their subscription once they have actually done something on the site. So we have two months here free and then as you can see, the email is on the left and the landing page is on the right. It’s very important as you’re creating the emails to the landing page to have a seamless experience to make sure the messaging, the content, the copy, the design all flow into one because once you have emails that are disjointed with the landing page, you lose a lot of drop-off at that point. So, two months free, and then here actually we have the messaging as well. It’s hard to see here. Actually what it says is you’ve already paid $30 a month for four months and get two months free and then we’re actually going to charge you an additional $90. So, it’s very clear to the consumer what we’re actually going to be charging them because they’ve already paid us $30 a month and then they get transferred to the six-month subscription, we’re actually going to charge an additional $90. And again, this goes back to the one-click upgrade or re-upgrade, so we actually embed the credit card information there for the consumer so they don’t have to re-enter their credit card. So, all they have to do is click and they actually upgrade immediately at that point to a longer-term subscription. And on this, we call these transitions, so anyone who transitions from a one-month to a six-month or to a year or from a six-month to a year package, we saw a 65 % increase in transitions just due to this email effort which was great, great results. The takeaways for today? The first one is make sure you optimize the billing and upgrade pages while keeping a close eye on refunds. One of the things that we did notice, like Leslie was talking about earlier, we saw great results, but we also saw an increase in refunds, and to really balance the equation and to constantly tweak that to make sure we bring the refunds down to a lower degree and to make sure that we’re optimizing 102 | the page, so we test and re-test. Incorporate the one-click re-upgrade and appropriate discounting. So one of the things that we have learned is the one-click re-upgrade really does work if you have the customer’s credit card information. Make sure that you keep that information in a secure file, of course, but when the customer comes back to re-purchase, you have that information immediately available so they don’t have to re-enter the credit card. And then also appropriate discounting. So, in your business, it may be a little different as far as the discounting and what you actually need to discount, but make sure that you’re offering appropriate discounting when it actually makes sense. We had a really good success with that email campaign where people are abandoning the billing page and then we send that email, because in the consumer’s mind subconsciously they actually know why they’re getting the email. “Oh, I went to the page yesterday. Therefore, they’re offering me a discount today.” And it actually made sense in the user experience. And don’t be afraid to ask your paying customers to extend their membership when it makes sense in their experience. So, hitting people right when they’ve purchased, a few days after when they’re getting more involved into your site, when their site activity has increased. So, we really want to make sure that we’re asking the members to extend their membership to also extend the lifetime value, and test and test some more. So one of the things, like Leslie was talking about earlier, is we test many, many things at TheLadders and the test results don’t lie. A lot of times, even though I want one creative to win, if the statistics say the other creative wins, I’ll have to go with that. So with that, that’s it. So, we’d like to open up the floor to some questions. Participant: You said that you contact people quickly after they sign up initially. In other words, you’re going to try to upgrade them as quickly as you can. What about the longer-term people? You didn’t say – at least I don’t recall you saying – exactly how you decide how much time to allow before the expiration, let’s say, of a six-month or a one-year term member. Do you notify them? Do you send the upgrade three months out, five months out, what? Michael McCurdy: Yeah. We also have another campaign when somebody cancels. Are you talking © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery about canceling their subscription or just like notifying them? Participant: No. Trying to get at them to extend their subscription. Michael McCurdy: Yeah. We usually do it just at the beginning. We haven’t really tested doing it further into the subscription process at this point. Participant: Even the one-year people? They sign up initially for a one-year subscription. Michael McCurdy: Yeah. We don’t do anything to extend that at this point. Participant: OK. What do you do when you’re – and what if they have gone to turn off their auto-renew and they’re one -ear subscribers? When do you come after them? So, if you haven’t been back on our site in about four weeks, you actually won’t be in the search results for recruiters. Then we’ll market to the users to get them to come back in and use the site and be more engaged with the product. Participant: That last piece was the part that I was curious about. What sort of marketing have you done of that type and what sort of quantitative impact have you seen from it. Leslie Semegran: I couldn’t, at this point, although I could get back to you about the quantitative impact, but we do mostly email campaigns that trigger off of site activities, so either job applies or on the reverse, trigger off of inactivity. But as far as quantifying that off the top of my head, I’ll have to get back to you. Leslie Semegran: We send an email to the longer-term subscribers, to the 6 and 12, telling them that their subscription is going to be finishing and that they’re not going to be auto-renewed, so they’re going to miss our service. I think it’s about 7 to 14 days before the actual service is shut off at this point. Participant: You talked about in the reactivation campaign going from the email to the landing page and the landing page was pre-populated or their credit card was already on file. The email that you – the one-click email where you’re trying to get them to come back to the site, to me – we send them back to the site, but we have them log in first. It didn’t look like there was any kind of log in. Participant: OK. Is that something you’ve tested? In other words, why 7 to 14? Why not 30 days? Why not 5 days? Michael McCurdy: Yeah. If they’re auto-logged in, it’ll automatically go. If they’re not, they’ll get a sign-in screen. I just didn’t show it on here. Leslie Semegran: We haven’t tested for the longer subscriptions at this point, but it’s a good point and something that we’ll be looking at. Participant: OK. So you’re not afraid of if you send the email to the wrong person having access to credit card information. Participant: You mentioned at the beginning of your presentation that the purpose of this was to increase your retention rates overall. You showed some examples of offers that you had used to do so. Have you done – this is a two-part question. Have you done any development of engagement programs to increase your retention rate and, if so, can you quantify the type of impact they had on the retention rate? Leslie Semegran: No. If they’re at a computer that they’ve been logged in at before, then it’ll take you right there. But if not, it forces you to log in to get into your account. Leslie Semegran: Well, with this campaign, we were looking to increase the lifetime value by putting them on longer-term subscriptions. But as far as engagement, we do do a lot of email and site activity-based programs that trigger off when people come to the site, click on jobs and then apply to jobs. So, when we know that they’re kind of like back in our web, we’ll send them certain offers like Michael alluded to or we actually activate and deactivate people into the search results for recruiters. Participant: The examples we’ve seen are all using radio buttons with the monthly, six-month, yearly. Have you considered testing with a scrolling menu defaulting on the yearly option so you would have to scroll down to see the monthly that you kind of do not want people to subscribe, by default? Michael McCurdy: Yeah, and we also don’t show the full credit card information as well. We just show the last four digits. Leslie Semegran: We looked at – we were doing some homework and we looked at one on Blockbuster that showed – it only showed the subscription they wanted you to take and then you had to expand to see the other options and we haven’t tried that yet mostly because © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 103 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery they actually had more offers than we did. They had a whole bunch of different types of packages and ours was pretty straightforward, so we haven’t tested that yet, but we’ve seen it on other sites. Michael McCurdy: Yeah. And currently also in our subscription mix, the only difference between the onemonth, six-month and year package is time. We don’t have a better offer if you get a longer-term package except the discount currently. Participant: When you have people who are in a sixmonth or an annual subscription and they’re going to expire and you want it to renew, do you offer any incentives for them when you communicate with them to try and get them to renew or do you just ask them to renew again? Leslie Semegran: We have everyone on auto-renew. Michael McCurdy: If you’re on a six-month or annual package, you’ll get a notice saying, “Hey, we’re going to charge your credit card.” And then if you don’t do anything, we’ll auto-renew. Participant: You addressed this a little bit earlier when you were talking about sort of behavioral segmentation. I’m also curious, do you do any sort of education about features that people maybe aren’t using, like if they’re applying for jobs but they’re not using the recruiters or some of the other features? Have you tested anything like that? Leslie Semegran: Yeah. Well, we send a good amount of email, as Michael can attest to, so we have weekly newsletters and weekly career advice. We have a weekly comic and also a weekly tip and most of those will be geared toward using certain activities on our site. So, when we came out with our career advice section, we talked to people about going and checking that out. We also do newsletters that talk about jobs that were recently filled, so we tell people about other people’s success on the site to get them to come back and reengage and apply to jobs themselves. So, we do talk quite a bit about the features and things that they can take advantage of. Participant: Do you ever target based on maybe things they haven’t done? Michael McCurdy: We do some campaigns where if people haven’t signed up for an email job alert, we’ll send them notifications, “Hey, this is the best way to find out what’s going on in the marketplace through our email job alerts.” 104 | Leslie Semegran: We also have some onsite targeted messaging. If you’re in our job search and you go in and search for a director in New York, it’ll ask you to take steps behaviorally that’ll lead to you getting more email and more job leads that will result in you hopefully upgrading, or if you’re already premium, applying to the jobs. So, if you haven’t saved the search you ran, we say, “Hey, save this search.” If you’ve saved and you’re not getting an email, we say, “Hey, get this email.” And for our premium service, we also have a resume critique service. We give everyone a free critique and then they can look into buying professional resumes, so we’ll promote that a lot as well, based on whether or not you’ve done it before. Michael McCurdy: Also, if people haven’t uploaded their resume – you’re not successful on our site unless you actually are active on the site and actually have your information out there – we really try to get people to upload their resume because we know that’s another way to conversion as well, to guide people through the process. They sign up, upload their resume and then they actually upgrade. So we know there’s kind of a process that goes through the consumer mindset. Participant: In your example, you showed three pricepoint options. Have you also tested with just two versus the three and which one worked better? Leslie Semegran: The only place that we’ve done that is for the free trial. We’ll offer people a free trial based on certain other behavior or time that they’ve been on our site and we’ve tested between offering the options versus just automatically rolling them to a monthly so they don’t have to choose or see what the different longer terms are. We just roll them right onto the monthly and I think you have the results on it. Michael McCurdy: Yeah. Initially, I’ve seen more people actually taking the offer. But monetarily speaking, it’s better to have multiple options to select from, especially on a free trial. You want to push people to the longerterm subscription so when they roll to an upgrade, we benefit from that from a business perspective. Participant: Two questions please. One, do you notice anything different about the patterns, the usage patterns, of month-to-monthers versus six-monthers versus yearly people? And the second question is have you considered adjusting price to push people towards desired programs, so making the monthly fee a little higher or decreasing the yearly fee to be a little lower? © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery Leslie Semegran: On the price one, we’ve done a lot of price testing of different groups as a whole, so a whole group for 25 and other options that go with it. We haven’t actually just pushed one without pushing the other one, so we’ve always kept kind of the same relationship with discounting between the monthly, six-month and twelve-month subscription. And on the usage patterns – Michael McCurdy: Yeah. You have to keep a close eye on – to see what acquisition channel that you receive a paying customer by and if they came in through a discount, it’s something that we really look at and analyze daily. Participant: Since you’ve just started running TV last year – which, by the way, being a tennis fan, I see it on the Tennis Channel all the time and love it … Michael McCurdy: Our CMO is two rows behind you and he can thank you. Participant: I’m wondering if you were able to measure the impact of TV to your business? Are you looking at your site conversion metrics and how much of a lift that you see and are you running your TV all year long? Are you able to see the differences in when it’s in market versus not? Leslie Semegran: Yeah. We just started in January and that was just kind of a whole new world for us because we are extremely numbers based, looking at every single person on the site, seeing when they’re converting, how they’re converting between an online ad that you can see, an SEO. So we were pretty nervous when we launched the TV because it’s not as measurable or easy to see, but it was pretty obvious. We saw a huge lift in the traffic that came in specifically through paid search, SEO, and then also the people who came direct to site. The problem with measurement we have is that we can’t weed those people out of the regular people we would’ve gotten without the TV commercial. So we’re really spending a lot of time looking at how the categories are acting this year as opposed to last year at this time to see different types of conversion rates and we’ve seen some categories go up and some categories go down. We also look at renewal rates, guest-to-reader conversion, reader to page, all of those metrics. And it’s definitely tougher than it was before, but net/net, we just have seen so much more traffic. We’ve had so much more visibility and so many more people paying us as a result of the commercials. Participant: Have you tested three months? Michael McCurdy: That’s a great question. Yes, we have tested three months. We’re actually getting ready to launch another test with three months as the bottom option. Leslie Semegran: Now, our U.K. site that launched last summer has a three-month option as well. That’s apparently a very typical subscription length over there, as well, and they’re seeing a lot of success with it, more than we have. Michael McCurdy: Yeah. It’s something that we’re going to re-address because we need to get real with our customers, as well. It’s going to take you longer than a month to find a $100k+ job in most cases. Participant: So your one month is not an auto renew then? Michael McCurdy: Yes. Our one month is auto-renew. Participant: Everything is an auto-renew. Michael McCurdy: Everything is auto-renew. Participant: And you still follow – you don’t just want to just keep them going. You follow up with them? Michael McCurdy: Well, we see different behaviors with different types of package mix, so we really monitor the behaviors and what the lifetime value is of a one-month versus the six-month versus the annual. So it’s definitely beneficial to the company to push to the longer term subscriptions. Participant: I just had a question on your TV ad. Did you guys have the discussion about doing a unique URL and just redirecting to the site and tracking it that way? Leslie Semegran: We didn’t act – or I wasn’t – neither of us were a part of this. Michael McCurdy: Yeah. Our CMO is – talk to Robert Turtledove right there. He’s our CMO and he can answer that question offline. Or do you want to answer it now, Robert? Robert Turtledove: I think the simple equation is if you have a URL, use it. Leslie Semegran: But we did approach it very much that this is a brand campaign. We weren’t looking for it to be a direct marketing commercial. © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 105 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery Participant: I was just going to comment on what he said. At Weight Watchers, we have the same issue of wanting to track our TV, and we’ve used vanity URLs in our ads and people don’t go to them, so it doesn’t help. They just go to WeightWatchers.com. Moderator: All right. Well, I think we’re going to take a break here. I want to – everybody give a round of applause to our panel. Thanks. 106 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Development & Delivery Michael McCurdy, Director, CRM Leslie Semegran, Director, Online Marketing TheLadders.com Monday, May 12, 2008 More data on this topic available from:: What We Do… More data on this topic available from:: Helping $100k+ Job Seekers stand apart from the crowd and get hired! We put the jobseeker in control of their own success by using our service. We have the most $100k+ Jobs. Jobseeker pays subscription fee to apply to jobs and get full access to our website. 2 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 107 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery Extending Subscription Length to Extend LTV More data on this topic available from:: $30 Monthly $120 6 Months $180 Annual 29% increase in LTV for 6 month subs vs. Monthly 39% increase in LTV for Annual subs vs. Monthly 3 Tackling The Issue What are the JobSeekers most likely to choose when they first upgrade? More data on this topic available from:: How can we change that and not drop our overall conversion rate? If the JobSeekers choose Monthly, can we move them to 6/12 month subs after the fact? 4 108 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery Upgrading at TheLadders.com More data on this topic available from:: 5 Upgrading at TheLadders.com More data on this topic available from:: 6 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 109 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery Getting There… More data on this topic available from:: 7 Results Neutral Upgrade Rate 15% decrease in the % of people taking the Monthly 250% INCREASE in the % of people taking the Annual Neutral for the 6 month More data on this topic available from:: 8 110 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery Too Good of a Job? It turns out, many of our users were confused… “I did not want to sign up for a year only month to month for $30. Please adjust my billing info and credit my account. Thanks” “I signed up for one month of membership, and the More data on this topic available from:: congratulations page states that I have signed up for one year. I do not, yet, want to sign up for one year, please resolve this immediately! Do not charge my card for 1 year, only charge $30. I will dispute any bill greater than $30. Thank you very much for your prompt attention in this matter.” 9 Play it Again, Sam More data on this topic available from:: 10 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 111 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery Current Test Results Maintained more optimal subscription mix (moving even more monthlies into the 6 month package) and reduced the rate at which refunds were requested by 11 20%. More data on this topic available from:: Returning Visitor Version More data on this topic available from:: 379% increase in conversion rate over the regular upgrade pag 12 112 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery Offer Testing - % off vs. Dollars Off More data on this topic available from:: • Tested 6 different offers over the course of 8 weeks • Looked to see how each offer affected: • Conversion from the email and subscription package mix of the upgrades 13 Offers Tested 25% Off $5 Off 33% Off 10% Off More data on this topic available from:: $10 Off $15 Off 14 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 113 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery And the Winner Is…… More data on this topic available from:: 15 Results of Offer Testing Offer Conversion (to opened) 1 Month $10 off 6 Months 1 Year Average Cash inflow / week Control 10% off 25% off 33% off $5 off $15 off More data on this topic available from:: = statistically significant 16 114 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery Search and Rescue More data on this topic available from:: 17 Rescue Me! More data on this topic available from:: A B 18 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 115 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery Just The Facts Ma’m More data on this topic available from:: 19 And the Winner Is…. Increase of 34% In Conversion To Open Increase of 50% In Conversion To Delivered More data on this topic available from:: Decrease of 133% In Click-Through 20 116 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery Subscription Extension With One-click Increase of 65% In Transitions More data on this topic available from:: 21 LTV Takeaways More data on this topic available from:: Optimize billing/upgrade pages while keeping a close eye on refunds Incorporate one-click re-upgrade and appropriate discounting Don’t be afraid to ask your paying members to extend their membership when it makes sense in their experience Test and test some more! 22 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 117 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 Keep Them Wanting More: Maximizing Customer Lifetime Value Through Strategic Offer Development and Delivery Credits/Thank You Michael McCurdy, TheLadders.com 646-453-1949 [email protected] More data on this topic available from:: Leslie Semegran, TheLadders.com 646-391-4370 [email protected] 23 118 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It for Maximum Effect Session Description This case study will detail recent paid search campaigns for AG Interactive properties. Get practical information on the relationship between SEO & Paid Search/Media, the impact of other media on branded search terms, and the impact of the high costs of search terms. About the Presenter roles in the ecommerce divisions of national brands such as OfficeMax and the Home Shopping Network (HSN). He is currently the Vice President of Acquisition Marketing for AG Interactive, the digital division of American Greetings Corporation. Eggleton also serves as President of The Web Association, a northeast Ohio-based trade organization, and on the Advisory Board of Cuyahoga Community College’s Interactive Media program. A frequent speaker at various local and national industry events, he holds an MBA in Marketing from Cleveland State University, with a BSC in Communications from Ohio University. He resides in Bay Village, Ohio, with his wife Sharon. About Ag interactive John Eggleton VP Marketing, AmericanGreetings.com Jon Eggleton is an experienced ecommerce and direct marketing executive. He has worked in the interactive space since early 1998, having held various management PRESENTATION MODERATOR: If you guys were here first thing this morning and saw Stefan’s talk, he presented some charts that looked at - we asked some questions about the sources of traffic, the different channels you’re getting traffic from and the quality and quantity of those visitors. If you remember that bubble chart, SEO is sort of the big standout bubble in both charts, and then paid search was doing pretty well for both consumer and business-to-business in terms of quality and quantity, but it definitely was nowhere near as wellrepresented as SEO. I think with paid search we’re probably - most of us are using it in some way, but there’s always challenges with it. The cost per clicks can sometimes go up. The competition for the most important keywords that you’re targeting can sometimes get pretty intense, and it makes paid search one of those areas that it seems like really hard to get your hands around, and it’s always shifting around on you. What we’ve done is asked Jon Eggleton to come up and talk to us a little bit about their paid search efforts at AG Interactive. Jon. With well over 3.4 million subscribers to date, AG Interactive is one of the largest subscription networks on the web. Properties include AmericanGreetings. com, Blue Mountain, Egreetings, Kiwee, Webshots, PhotoWorks and co-branded eCard sites operated in conjuction with MSN, Yahoo!, and AOL. Jon Eggleton: All right everybody … First off, before I get started, with a show of hands, who here in the room is involved directly or indirectly with your paid search marketing efforts? Wow, OK. Quite a few of you. So the pressure is on to deliver a good presentation here, I guess. I’ll just give you a brief introduction about who I am, as well as who my company is. We are American Greetings Interactive. We are part of a 100-year-old greeting card company, so we have that history in the socialexpressions space behind us. We are one of the largest subscription networks on the web. We’re at least in the upper tier. We have currently 3.7 million e-card subscribers to date. As an interactive unit, we’ve been around for about 14 years, half of that in the subscription space, so we’ve seen kind of the highs and lows of the dot com boom, and then the bust, and sort of rode the wave since then. We’ve definitely seen a lot of that good history going on. We are primarily known – and I’m going to speak today about primarily our e-card sites, and our paid search efforts against that. We have since – in the last couple of years branched out to a couple different areas, namely Kiwi, which is actually an organic site that we started © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 119 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It for Maximum Effect about two years ago. We purchased that domain from a French mobile company and turned it into a social networking content site. We actually offer content for MSN Messenger, AOL AIM, as well as content for MySpace, Facebook, BiBo, what have you. If you’re in the market going after high school and college-aged students, you’re very familiar with those different networks. More recently, about seven months ago, we actually purchased a couple of photo sites. PhotoWorks and Webshots are actually two companies that we bought about seven months ago, and both of those kind of represent and play in different spaces in the digital photography world. Webshots is really more about Web sharing, or a photo sharing Web community. It has a lot of traffic. PhotoWorks is really more the e-commerce engine. Things like photo books, putting your picture on mugs, and mouse pads, and things of that nature. That’s really what PhotoWorks is all about. We’re in the process of kind of integrating those two businesses together. Overall, in terms of our business model, subscription is still very near and dear to our heart. It’s still our number one primary business model on the Web. Secondly, we also sell advertising. It sounds like many of you are also subscription first, advertising second. We’re very similar to that. Third, we have a couple other business models as well, that are a little bit smaller for us. I mentioned PhotoWorks and e-commerce, it’s part of that, as well as we have some smaller businesses in search and micro payments. We have a toolbar product where we actually make money through monetization of different search marketing efforts, or search term efforts. So that’s a little bit about us. Personally, I’m responsible for acquisition, conversion, and retention marketing. So, basically getting them to the door, getting them to buy once they get to the door, and then obviously retaining them on the back end as well. In terms of our paid search efforts, we actually buy paid search for two of our e-card brands, American Greetings and Blue Mountain. We’re going to talk specifically about those. We are sort of a hybrid model in the sense that we manage our paid search program in- house. We do actually get some outside help with that. We use a firm called Clear Sailing out of Columbus, Ohio. It’s sort of a hybrid in the sense that we have people who actually manage the programs and really are kind of monitoring what’s happening on an internal basis, but also working with a third party who really provides the technology and a lot 120 | of the day-to-day kind of management and optimization of those different bids. As you can imagine, managing a large paid-search program, there’s a lot of focus we have to put on kind of managing some of those details. So, the agency helps us with that. We’re also a very seasonal business. As you can imagine, we’re American Greetings, so holidays are obviously very large for us, everything from Christmas and your winter holidays, to obviously Mother’s Day. Valentine’s Day is really the – that’s the big holiday for us. If we don’t hit our subscription numbers on Valentine’s Day, there’s probably a pretty good chance we’re not going to that year. That’s definitely a big focus for us. What I’m going to talk about specifically in the case study portion is really what we did around Valentine’s Day this year and how that compares to what we’ve done in the past. As far as our specific challenges, maintaining growth is difficult for us. We’re in a space where e-cards have been around almost as long as the Web so, in terms of growth, we see numbers around 25 to 30% is how fast the search space is growing. Our category, we believe, is growing at about 9%, so definitely we’re growing slower than the Web is overall. We have a relatively low lifetime value. I heard TheLadders, which gave a great presentation, and they shared with us some of the monthly subscription rates they have. We would kill for a $30-a-month subscription. Instead, we primarily sell through annual subscriptions, which for e-cards is $13.99. We also offer a Create and Print product, which retails for $19.99. These are per year, by the way. We also offer a bundle at $29.99. You can see that obviously the lifetime value is somewhat capped. We have these other brands we can up-sell, and we’re looking at doing that with some of our other companies, but obviously we are constrained in what we can afford to pay for an actual customer. We’re also seeing a lot of increased competition, not only from people getting into our space, but the fact that – and I’ll talk about this later – but the e-card space in search is actually fairly inexpensive in terms of an acquisition for traffic capability. Really what’s happening from all this is we’re seeing higher CPCs, our clickthrough rates are lowering, which we kind of see as a double-edged sword. Really, we’re needing to focus more on optimization. I wanted to share with you this is kind of a generic overview that our search agency did for us on the greetings category for paid search. As I mentioned, CPCs are fairly low in this category. Some of you in © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It for Maximum Effect the audience are probably salivating over 23-cent CPCs. Obviously that’s partially driven on the monetization models for folks like ourselves who are in this space. You can see the average clickthrough rate impressions. This basically is taking into account American Greetings as well as the other competitors that we have in our direct space; just kind of give you a snapshot of what our category looks like as we kind of dive deeper into this. Getting specific to American Greetings: When I say American Greetings, by the way, I’m referring to AmericanGreetings.com and Blue Mountain combined, since they’re both of our e-card sites that are both subscription based, to kind of give you an idea of what we’re talking about here. In terms of our own: What we’re seeing year-over-year trends, we have three different major buckets. We have obviously our branded terms, so American Greetings, Blue Mountain, and variations thereof. We have our ecard bucket, which is really our largest bucket of terms that we go after, as well as Create and Print which, as I mentioned, is our print-at-home product that we offer as well. You can kind of see across the board, and obviously there’s some of these numbers that really stick out. Clickthrough rate for our branded terms has gone down about 9%. We’re seeing broad matches for people using the word “greetings,” which obviously is part of our corporate name. Average CPCs, as a result, have gone up almost 300%. So, basically, whereas about a year, year and a half ago, no one was bidding on these terms but us, and now we’re seeing some increased competition come into that space. Obviously, that’s changed the dynamic of what the CPCs look like. E-cards, not quite as pronounced, but a very similar trend. Clickthrough rates are actually going down by almost a third. One of the main reasons for this is we have more people who are actually playing in the space, and that’s driving down our rankings on certain key words. We’re having to become very strategic about where we place our bet. Average CPCs, again, up 33%. It’s become a much more expensive game than it used to be. Create and Print, similar story. Clickthrough rates are down. CPC is actually up. That’s a slightly less competitive category than e-cards is. We’re not seeing quite the extent of some of the happenings there. This is actually a year-over-year chart showing you our clickthrough rate over time. I know this is probably hard to see. I actually got rid of the numbers on the left so you can just kind of focus on the trend itself. You can see here, this is actually starting in March of ’06, and then this builds up to about November of 2006. During that time we were being very aggressive. We were monetizing to our clickthrough rate. We were monitoring our conversion rates very closely, and really trying to build our campaigns based on a lot of those front-end analytics. That was all happening during this curve. Around November of ’06 is when we really started to see a lot of those new competitors, and I’ll talk about who some of them are and how it’s impacted us. A lot of those competitors then came into the space around that holiday timeframe in 2006, so it’s been about a year and a half or so that there’s sort of been a new set of rules of engagement, if you will, in our industry. Starting with November of ’06, we saw some more competition. We’ve become more aggressive on certain terms, but generally speaking, we have seen our overall rankings go down as we can’t afford to pay certain levels on certain keyword terms. We did see a little bit of an increase here. This is actually October of ’07, so this is going back to late last year. We did become more aggressive in some of the holiday-specific terms where we decided that from a profit standpoint those were terms that we needed to go after, and we could go after, based on our own profitability metrics. By this point we had enough knowledge of what was happening that we could really become more aggressive there. Traditional competition. This is just kind of a quick snapshot of who we’re actually competing with out there. Obviously Hallmark is out there as our virtual as well as our offline competitor. MyFunCards, which actually is part of Interactive Corps advertising and search group. They’re actually monetized through a toolbar model primarily. It’s a downloadable application that you have in your machine, and they make money, then, on searches that are taking place. You see Rattlebox, WishCards, IncrediMail, Smilebox. Sort of the interesting thing here is really a number of these companies were coming at this industry from different places. I mentioned MyFunCards monetizes through a toolbar. Hallmark, in fact, gives away e-cards for free. E-cards is really – I don’t want to say a lossleader – but it’s really a mechanism to drive traffic to their site, which they intend to convert with e-commerce and retail products, and also driving offline traffic to © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 121 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It for Maximum Effect their Gold Crown stores. We know that online is a big part of what they’re doing in the offline world, which is much different than what we’re doing today. Where that becomes applicable to somebody like us is as we’re kind of driving towards maximizing the CPA, looking at a certain acquisition rate that we’re looking at. They’re kind of playing by a slightly different set of rules, but at least it’s a little bit closer to what we’re doing. Now the non-traditional. This has really been, I would say, the scarier set of competitors for us, just because, unlike the previous slide where there’s some differences in business model, these guys are really going at this for totally different reasons. I mentioned that the average CPC in our category is about 23 cents. That’s, for the most part, very inexpensive compared to other high-traffic categories like ours. What we’re seeing is a number of different competitors coming up in different areas. The first one will be retail. You see Sears is up here, you’ve got Target, Wal-Mart. These companies are actually developing, in some cases, very basic e-card products or offerings – where it’s really not something they’re focusing on. They might be having an agency do it for them. It may not even be Flash. It might just be static graphics, or basic animation. Really, they’re using e-cards, again, as kind of that loss leader. Using the convenience store model, that’s sort of the gallon of milk that they get you to walk to the back of the store and hopefully buy some other things on your way back to the front. That’s obviously impacting our metrics in terms of what they’re able to pay, because they’re really looking at it from a different model. Similarly, we have a couple of what I would call CPG companies. We have folks like Coca-Cola, Clos du Bois, which actually is a – I don’t know if I’m pronouncing that right. That’s actually a large winery in Sonoma. They’ve run a couple of very clever viral marketing campaigns, and they’ve used e-card terms on the search engines to really drive traffic to that. They ran one called kissandtell.com for Valentine’s Day, so that was going on against us during – I mentioned our big holiday of the year – where they were bidding on traffic. I would venture to guess that – they probably didn’t care if – the difference between 23 cents and 27 cents was probably not too much to them since they’re really looking at driving traffic to the site, and really just 122 | trying to build a relationship with that consumer. The way the site worked is you came in, you actually shared your stories about a date or a loved one. You could send an e-card to them, so it was very viral. You were entered into a sweepstakes. There were some other components to it. It was very different than, obviously, monetizing e-cards on the Web like we are. Similarly, they just actually launched one for – just in the past for – Mother’s Day called Toast a Mom, which is very similar. They actually monetized it by some ecommerce and some other things. Again, it’s really more of a brand focus. We also are seeing competition from some charity sites. You see USO is actually up there. They’re actually – they’re really monetizing e-cards for the purposes of getting donations. USO is doing it, Worldwide Wildlife Fund, and a number of other folks are actually using e-cards as a hook to get people to the site. They can send an e-card that’s really around a charitable cause that means something to a consumer, and then try to get them to make a donation. Again, you can kind of imagine if a donation is 70 or 80 bucks, that’s a little bit different than somebody like us selling e-cards for $13.99 per year. This is a typical – and I’m going to dovetail kind of into our Valentine’s Day case study – but this is a typical e-cards results page. MyFunCards is actually up here as number one. This is us for American Greetings, and then we have Blue Mountain down here. We’re actually more aggressive, typically, for American Greetings, primarily because American Greetings typically underperforms versus Blue Mountain in terms of organic. Blue Mountain tends to have better organic results, so we are more aggressive in the paid-search side for AG. Then over here you get a lot of the traditional competitors I mentioned, Rattlebox, VidiGreet, and so forth. This is actually a Valentine’s Day – or this is actually an e-card results page during Valentine’s Day – and this is what, most of you probably know, is search arbitrage. One affiliate of MyFunCards was actually – well, not one. I should say five were actually bidding illegally, in fact, on Google, going after – really sending traffic to the exact same landing page. Really, six of the nine paid links – you’ve got these two up here, and I believe there’s seven here. Six of those lined links were really going to the same landing page. What’s scary about that for us is we do so much of our business in a concentrated period of time that even though we’ll contact Google, and they’re fairly good © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It for Maximum Effect about turning that around, there might be three or four key peak hours in which we just lose out because so many of these other sites are directing elsewhere. That’s, again, something that we deal with, and I’m sure many of you probably deal with as well with affiliates of some of your competitors. things that really factors into it, as most of you, or as many of you probably know: Your Google results are really driven by not only your CPCs, but also … your landing page quality. So, looking at whether or not you have relevant keywords that you’re bidding on actually on the landing page itself. I mentioned the non-traditional competitors. This is actually – I think this is just for generic e-cards. If you just type in e-cards during Valentine’s Day, this is what you would see at this point in time. You can see here is Mrs. Printables is actually another similar retail CPG. Here we’ve got – this is actually somebody selling hair extensions, a totally different business. Again, they’re just looking at e-cards as an opportunity for traffic during this time period. It really changes the game, or changes the rules of the game during these peak periods. We’ve actually become a lot more advanced in terms of making sure that certain key phrases appear in those landing pages, and also making sure that we have the breadth of landing pages available. We’re not just sending everybody to a one-size-fits-all kind of approach. I highly encourage – we’ve seen very tangible results in doing that approach. I highly encourage many of you to kind of look at the different keyword buckets that you have, and look at the landing pages you’re sending them to, and make sure that those pages are, in fact, relevant to what you’re bidding on. I’m painting this horrible picture, all these terrible things are going on. Why are we doing this? Why are we even bothering? Why are we doing this? As far as what we did for Valentine’s Day, we did a number of different tactics. One, we deployed what we called a very sort of selective aggression approach. What I mean by that is you really identified which buckets were producing the most profit for us. We stopped looking at it on a what had the best clickthrough, or what was the best conversion, and really looked at where were we making the most of our dollars, and where were we getting most of our subscribers from in terms of general keywords. Utilize real-time reporting. I mentioned that we do – Valentine’s Day, for example, is really a two-day holiday for us. The day before, and really up until about – it’s not even two full days. It’s actually up until – about 2 or 3 on actual Valentine’s Day is really the peak time period. We were more or less tied to the hip with our search agency during that time period. We had them working until 3 or 4 in the morning. People on our staff were checking from home, monitoring the bids, monitoring performance. During those key time periods, if you’re in a business like ours, you need to be relentless in that approach. Really, we decided that while we would still play in a lot of the other areas, we really were not going to bid aggressively. We kind of picked our spots. Certain buckets, certain keywords, we really let our competitors have at it, and really decided that there were certain phrases that we were really just going to be very aggressive about. We were bidding hour by hour. If somebody was going above us, we were bidding aggressively to get back in that spot. There were certain terms that we just decided we weren’t going to lose on. Also, utilize keyword level bidding – again getting very specific, not just bidding generically on certain keyword buckets, but getting to that keyword level but also looking at the long-tail keyword list. I mentioned before, we were sort of waving the white flag on certain search terms and saying, “We’re not going to be number one or number two.” But really looking at, focusing on getting as much coverage as we could at the expense of really going after terms that just weren’t profitable for us. We reduced our broad match keyword. Most of you know from Google, you have the ability to sort of restrict the keywords that you’re purchasing. Again, with all these other things going on we really had to do away with a lot of the broad match stuff that was happening, and really kind of zero in on the keywords that made the most sense to us. So what happened, right? As far as what we saw – and this is actually aggregate results for February ’08 versus February ’07. You can see that impressions actually shot up 119%. We were a little bit surprised by this. A lot of this – or at least some of this – is obviously driven by the – it might be the – we suspect there were more eyeballs, obviously, coming to the category. We focused on landing page quality.… We have our champion paid search landing pages, and then we are constantly testing challengers against that. One of the But, a big reason impressions went up by that amount is, again, we focused more on coverage and not necessarily on the ranking on certain terms. On other terms, we © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 123 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It for Maximum Effect may have been more aggressive and really felt like we had to have that one or two top spot. We were actually OK with being four, five, or six, or even lower in some cases. So, we were able to get impressions on a lot more terms, and really kind of focused on the ones that were more important to our business. Clicks, obviously a function of impressions, went up by 23%. Clickthrough rate was very significantly down. The reason I shaded that in yellow was we kind of saw that as a good and a bad thing. We weren’t getting as many clicks, but a lot of those clicks were coming previously on terms that really weren’t all that profitable for us. They may have been terms that looked very, very attractive from a clickthrough rate, or a conversion perspective, but in reality really weren’t driving the business for us. So we scaled back those efforts and really kind of focused on what made sense. CPC: I shared with you earlier what we had been seeing on a year-over-year basis in our business. CPCs went up by 11%. Obviously, any increase in cost is not good, but considering the space that we’re in and considering sort of the hand that we’ve been dealt with our competitive situation, we’re actually very happy with only getting out the door with an 11% increase. Subscriptions, obviously that’s the money metric. It was actually up 26%, so we were very encouraged and very happy with that number. We did so by only increasing our CPA by 4%. Again, we were able to really kind of optimize and focus those campaigns appropriately. As far as some other recommendations – that was Valentine’s Day. In terms of other recommendations that I would mention, some of these things we’ve been doing for a while. Some of them are a little bit more recent. On a more tactical level, I would say definitely look at the second tier engines. Ask.com, MIVA, LookSmart, especially some of the smaller guys. They’re hungrier for the business; there’s less competition. There are going to be more profitable terms for you. Obviously it’s not going to generate the kind of traffic that a Google would, for instance, but it’s a good way to really kind of extend what you’re already doing via Google, and Yahoo, and MSN, and wherever else you may be. Also, utilize international traffic. Obviously you have to have the ability to monetize that, either through subscriptions or advertising, but we’ve been able to look at international markets, which in our business tend to be less competitive. The CPCs tend to come down a little bit less in competition for rankings. 124 | Also switching to standard match, and I talked about broad match and keyword level bidding. Switching to a standard match on Yahoo actually did a lot for us in terms of really being able to target those campaigns. On a more strategic level, I would say, as I’ve sort of shared with you, we really have gone from focusing probably too much on the clickthrough rate and conversion and really kind of focusing more on the profit. We actually have all of our financials, or cogs, loaded into the back end with our search partner, so all of our metrics we’re able to look at on a profit basis. We can look at what the variance in price per click terms, or the actual keyword terms, combine that with a conversion rate, what they’re actually buying. Is it an e-card subscription? Is it Create and Print? Is it a bundle? And really factoring in what the overall profit is to our business. I would definitely encourage you to – if you’re not looking at it on those terms – to really kind of focus it that way. Similar to – I think I’ve seen this bullet now at least three or four times, which is very good, and that’s test, test, test creative. We are very similar in that. I think a good direct marketer is one that knows that there are no right or wrong answers, and what works today may not work tomorrow. We definitely fall in that camp. Also, I’ll talk about purchase path crediting, and I’ll get more specific about that in a minute, but really kind of looking at not only the terms that are closing sales for you, but really what’s happening further up in the funnels? What actually originally brings them to your site? I think TheLadders talked about a TV commercial – I heard her mention paid search where they were actually seeing conversions on the paid search side that were originated from that TV commercial. You should definitely look at your media and paid search in that way. I’ve been kind of preaching focusing on profit here. This is actually a creative test that we ran a little while ago, and you probably can’t read the creatives very well, and it’s probably just as well. It’s not really all that relevant to the actual point I’m trying to make. It’s roughly: Version A was actually a dynamically served headline. Version B was the headline “Free E-cards,” and Version C was using our brand term, American Greetings. We were trying to test which of those headlines, combined with copy, would actually work the best. This is just to sort of illustrate for you that really success depends on what metric you’re looking at. You can see © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It for Maximum Effect that Version A, kind of across the board, was number two. It was actually number three in total orders that it generated. Between B and C, it would be easy to look at some of the front end metrics like if you look at conversion rate, Version C actually outperformed the other two on this test. The deeper we get into this, and the more we look at our metrics, the more we’re starting to believe that really we should focus on giving 100% of that credit to birthday e-cards – the actual search term that first drove them to our site itself, especially when a branded search term is involved. If you look at what’s really important, which is profit, it actually was Version B, and Version C was, in fact, number three. If you were making your decisions based strictly on a conversion rate in this standpoint, you would actually be mistaken and credit the wrong ad. Again, just kind of looking at that big picture and really trying to focus on what it is that’s most important to your business. As far as the interaction, I think I mentioned, or it was mentioned in the description, I was going to talk a little bit about how SEO interacts with our paid search efforts. I mentioned earlier on paid search we tend to be more aggressive on brands that are – I mentioned American Greetings tends to underperform Blue Mountain for us in terms of SEO, organic traffic. I mentioned purchase path before. Forgive me, I’m actually a big sports fan, so just allow me one bad sports analogy. It’s a little bit like in baseball where you have the closer and the starting pitcher, where the starting pitcher goes at least six, seven innings, maybe more. Then you have a closer that comes in in the ninth, and he may put three guys on base, might give up a couple of runs. Regardless, if he comes out of it with a win, or at least having the lead, he still gets a save. Who really worked the hardest in that situation? Purchase path crediting is kind of a similar story. In this particular case, we’re assuming that somebody came in on birthday e-cards, which for us is one of our more popular search phrases that we – one of our more popular categories – and then actually closed by searching American Greetings. The first time, on the first visit, they searched for birthday e-cards. They most likely browsed our collection, maybe just didn’t decide to buy, or maybe they sent a free card, or maybe they just got busy and did something else. When they came back to our site, we’ll see them actually type in American Greetings in the search engines. They may not remember exactly what the site URL was, or maybe they sort of know but they were just not sure, so they just type it into Google, or Yahoo, or whatever. We often see those branded search terms coming at the very end of a sale. What we’ve decided to do – a year and a half ago we would have given American Greetings 100% of the credit. We told that closer, “You’re the reason we got that sale.” Starting last year, actually early this year, we decided to give 50% credit to each of those. We’re recognizing that they were closed on American Greetings, but that birthday e-cards is what actually drove them to the site in the first place. What we decided to do on pay per click is we’re actually less aggressive – or I should say more aggressive – on terms in which we don’t have that SEO placement. That’s regardless if it’s Blue Mountain or if it’s American Greetings. We actually take into account what the paid search efforts are, or what the SEO efforts are, before we decide how aggressive we’re going to be on paid search. Those two are very much tied together for us in terms of our efforts. We are pursuing multi-level SEO strategy, and I think we’re going to hear about SEO more tomorrow. SEO is – on site is really just a piece of it. A much bigger piece is what happens off site in terms of back links, and traffic, and links pointing to your site. We’re looking at on-site blogs which actually have been, for the most part, very successful for us. We’re also looking at some off-site stuff, experimenting with doing off-site blogs that might be more topic or community-based. We’re in the early stages of sort of building out an actual financial model to see if those efforts are going to bear fruit. I mentioned blogs. They’re successful at driving – I think we’ve been able to prove that they can drive some back links for us. But in terms of really monetizing that, again, we’re in the very early stages of being able to measure that. We have a very distinct landing page strategy for paid search versus SEO. Pay per click tends to convert for us definitely at a higher rate than our SEO efforts, which intuitively makes sense. People who are clicking on the paid search results, tend to be a little bit more focused on what they’re looking for, whereas on the SEO side they might be a little bit more likely to browse, or look around. I’ll leave you with – this is actually a couple of landing © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 125 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It for Maximum Effect page examples. In the bottom left here, this is actually an SEO page. This is actually a paid search page. These are both for the same holiday, so this is Mother’s Day, just to kind of give you the contrast. What they share is they have – we talked a lot about buttons, I think, today, but they both share a very similar call to action. Obviously on the SEO page, you have a lot more content, a lot more sort of content-rich keywords that we’re obviously focusing on here. It’s a little different focus for us. What we’re doing, since we are seeing a pretty significant lift in conversion on this page, on the paid search page, we’re actually looking to take elements of this and incorporate that into SEO without really sacrificing the SEO value of the page. We’re leaving the copy and the text as is. We’re really trying to look at taking this box, this free, printable Mother’s Day cards, and really bringing that into a similar place on the actual SEO page, trying to incorporate what we’re learning on the paid search side, and looking at it for SEO. As many of you know, paid search is really a – I don’t want to say it’s a short term game, but it’s something you can get into very quickly. Whereas a good SEO strategy is – it takes months and months to really see the fruit of that labor. So we can take learnings from the paid search side that we get very quickly and apply that to a longer term SEO strategy. With that I’ll actually, before I take questions, I did want to recognize, again, our search agency, Clear Sailing. They actually helped me a lot with the building of this presentation, and they’re obviously a good partner for us in terms of some of the things we’ve been able to accomplish. MODERATOR: That’s great … All right, Jon, we’ve got one question up there. Participant: Hi. Sorry if I missed this, but those final two pages that you showed us, were they optimized for the same exact term? Was it Mother’s Day e-cards? In other words, would your goal be to have the SEO page ranking number one on the same term that you’re driving the paid traffic to? Jon Eggleton: Yeah. In fact they – well, the SEO page was optimized for Mother’s Day e-cards first, and there’s some other terms we’re really going after on the SEO side. In many cases, we do expect that they might see both of those pages. They would see the lower left, the SEO page, and the organic results. They would see the paid search landing page and the paid results. We do expect those to appear together in some cases. 126 | Participant: Have you seen any increase in your clickthrough rate when you get top organic rankings and you’re running advertising on the same term? Jon Eggleton: For certain key terms – and Mother’s Day e-cards would actually be a good example for us where we do, in fact, go after both of those. We want to be on the page twice, essentially. As I mentioned, we tend to – if it’s not a core term for us, like Mother’s Day e-cards is obviously a pretty core holiday. Valentine’s Day, birthday cards, birthday e-cards, those types of holidays, we’ll be very aggressive in trying to get both placements. It’s more of the secondary holidays, where if we happen to have very good organic placement for Administrative Professionals Day e-cards, or just general terms related to admin day, we may be, we likely will be less aggressive on paid search because we have that organic placement. So it’s not: We’re better off placing our bets elsewhere than going after some of those secondary holidays if we have a strong organic placement. Participant: When you’re dealing with some of those more sort of long-tail search terms, how do you balance between absolute profits versus average profits? At what point is it worth sacrificing a little more profit if it’s just to get the volume up a little bit more? Jon Eggleton: Yeah, well again, I would say it really depends on what the holiday is. For Valentine’s Day, we’ll be very aggressive and going after the core terms related to that. Again, like Valentine’s e-cards, or Valentine’s Day print, key words that are related to that. I guess for us, we look at, obviously, the traffic based on a certain term when we make that decision as far as how aggressive we’re going to be. I don’t know that there’s really a – there’s not really a formula, I guess, if that’s part of your question. There’s not a formula that we decide where OK, if it doesn’t meet this criteria we’re just not going to be aggressive on it. It just really depends on what that particular holiday is and what our overall goals might be. If we know that, for example, if Easter, which is another big holiday for us, if we’re looking as if we’re going to be a little bit short in our plan overall, we might be more aggressive on some of those terms based on what’s happening overall in the business, in the macro business. Participant: I have two quick questions. The first is within your unbranded paid search. You’re competing against people running free e-cards, so did you do any © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It for Maximum Effect copy testing? That’s a tough thing to compete against. Jon Eggleton: Yeah, actually, in fact, I don’t think I did it justice in pointing it out, but I believe the winning creative in the example I showed was ‘Free ecards,” which is very strange for us. We’ve tested that, and I think – and I’ve seen this in other businesses, or at least heard in other businesses, where the word free is – you can put anything against it and it’s always going to win. You would think in our case, given the fact that we do compete in a space where there’s a lot of free options, that that would actually hurt us. Free consistently tends to perform pretty well for us in a lot of our paid search efforts. We try to incorporate that, and actually we could say free e-cards, by the way – I should point this out – because we have a 30-day free trial. We do offer the opportunity to use our product for free for 30 days initially. We incorporate that into the messaging that we use for the actual subscription. Participant: And then my second question is within your branded pay searches, have you seen your costs climbing? Have you done any position testing because they’re your branded terms? Have you done that? Is your volume holding up as you’re moving positions? Jon Eggleton: Yeah, and this kind of relates to the previous gentleman’s question. On branded terms, we sort of feel like that’s kind of our turf. So where we tend to be, we haven’t really done position testing on those terms. Where we have done position testing is on some other terms where we see what the value of being number two versus number four or something on that page. But, on the branded side, we try to be fairly aggressive in going after those particular terms. I should say relative to the cost of general e-card and Create and Print terms, our branded terms are still a lot less expensive. It’s just relatively speaking, they’ve become a lot more so over the last year and a half. Participant: On your slide for Valentine’s Day 2008, you indicated that your clicks had gone down, but your clickthrough rate had gone up. For search engine marketing or pay-per-click, obviously your click rate is clicking on the ad, but how you are defining the clickthrough rate? What’s the follow-on action? Jon Eggleton: Actually the clickthrough rate was going down. The overall clicks had gone up. The impressions had gone way up. Clicks went up by – I think it was 23%. impressions were 118. Clickthrough rate actually went down by about 44%. Participant: How are you defining clickthrough rate? When you click on the ad, that’s a click, then what’s the clickthrough rate? Jon Eggleton: Oh, it’s just strictly a matter of clicks to Impressions. It’s really – that’s a front-end Google metric. Participant: Oh, I see. You’re just doing the division is what you’re saying. Jon Eggleton: Right. Clicks to impressions. Participant: With all the landing pages that you have up, do you take any steps to block some of them from the search box? I’ve heard that if you have very similar content, Google can punish you in certain ways if you have too many A/B tests or landing page examples up. Jon Eggleton: Yeah, that’s a great question. I don’t know off-hand which pages we’ve done that to. We have actually blocked some of our landing pages in the past. The content that’s on our landing pages tends to be different enough from any of the other pages on AmericanGreetings.com. You saw the SEO example where those pages couldn’t really be any more different, other than the fact they’re both Mother’s Day focused. We haven’t run into too much trouble with that just because there isn’t a similar page. Our paid search landing pages are sort of a condensed version of our order path – the first page of the actual order path itself. We have actually blocked, in certain cases, landing pages from the search engines, but overall we haven’t really seen a huge issue with that personally. Participant: Can you comment on the – where you manage an outside agency with your internal efforts, and how you optimize that with your paid search strategy? Jon Eggleton: Sure. As I mentioned – and actually I don’t remember if I did bring it up or not. We’ve been on a universe of up to 70,000 terms, obviously not all at the same time. That requires having a lot of sort of legs on the ground, so to speak. So, from a strategy perspective, we really drive a lot of the strategy ourselves internally. But we also rely on our partner to really give us a lot of the insights that are kind of happening more industry- wide. For example, using Valentine’s Day. We had – I mentioned © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 127 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It for Maximum Effect our agency was looking until the wee hours of the morning and checking bids. We had people on site that were also doing the same things, but they may not be going quite to that keyword level. Maybe just looking at overall buckets. They might look for a certain bucket of terms, what might be happening on a macro level, but really a lot of the detail was being handled by the agency itself. I also think from an analytic perspective, we rely on them for the technology. For us, we went through the integration on the front end to really get involved and have them be able to have all of our information, so they have all of our cogs, they have basically everything they would need to tell us what our profit margins are. In that case, we can sort of forget about the technology piece and really let them manage that. From a technology and, really, a reporting standpoint, it really allows us to focus on what’s important and which of those buckets we want to optimize. MODERATOE: All right. Thanks a lot, Jon. 128 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It for Maximum Effect The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It For Maximum Effect Jon Eggleton, Vice President, Marketing AG Interactive Monday, May 12, 2008 More data on this topic available from:: Who Are We? About AG Interactive Hosts over 3.7 million eCard subscribers One of the largest network properties on the web About Me Responsible for acquisition, conversion, & retention marketing for AG.com division More data on this topic available from:: 2 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 129 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It for Maximum Effect What Are Our Paid Search Challenges? Maintaining growth is difficult More data on this topic available from:: eCards is a mature category growing slower than the web overall Relatively low LTV Increased competition from multiple sources, especially during holidays Net result is higher CPC’s, lower CTR’s, need for optimization 3 Greetings Category: Paid Search Assessment More data on this topic available from:: Q4 ’07 Category Leaders – Avg. CPC $.23 CTR 7.4% Impressions 18.3M Clicks 1.4M Spend $309.6K 4 130 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It for Maximum Effect AG: CTR’s Dropping, CPC’s Rising AG Buckets Branded eCards Create & Print CTR Avg. CPC CTR Avg. CPC CTR Avg. CPC ’08 vs. ’07* -9% 267% -31% 33% -19% 15% More data on this topic available from:: * AG results from Google: November 2007 through January 2008 5 YOY – AG Click Through Rate Click Thru Rate More data on this topic available from:: 6 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 131 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It for Maximum Effect Traditional Competition Increasing… More data on this topic available from:: 7 …As Is Non-Traditional More data on this topic available from:: 8 132 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It for Maximum Effect Typical eCards Results Page More data on this topic available from:: 9 Valentine’s Day: Search Arbitrage More data on this topic available from:: 10 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 133 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It for Maximum Effect Valentine’s Day: Non-Traditional Competitors More data on this topic available from:: 11 Valentine’s Day - What Did We Do? Deployed ‘selective’ aggression Reduced broad-match keywords Focused on landing page quality Utilized real-time reporting Utilized keyword-level bidding Expanded long-tail keyword lists More data on this topic available from:: 12 134 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It for Maximum Effect Valentine’s Day YOY Results More data on this topic available from:: Impressions 2008 YOY %* 119% Clicks 23% CTR -44% CPC 11% Subscriptions 26% Net CPA 3.9% * Based on February ’08 (full-month) compared to February ‘07 13 Other Recommendations Tactical Strategic More data on this topic available from:: Launch with 2nd tier engines; Ask.com, Miva, LookSmart, etc. Utilize International traffic Switch to ‘Standard’ match on Yahoo! Focus on profit, not CTR! Test, test, test creative Purchase Path crediting 14 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 135 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 The Economy of Paid Search: When and How to Use It for Maximum Effect Focus on Profit, not CTR… Performance By Creative Version More data on this topic available from:: A B C CTR #2 #1 #3 Orders #3 #1 #2 Conv. Rate #2 #3 #1 Profit/Click #2 #3 #1 Profit #2 #1 #3 …and keep testing! 15 Which Keyword Do I Credit? Birthday eCards >> American Greetings Purchase Path Crediting More data on this topic available from:: In 2007, this path would have given “American Greetings” 100% of the credit In 2008, this path gives “birthday eCards” and “American Greetings” each 50% credit We are exploring potentially excluding branded terms at the end of a path 16 136 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. 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More data on this topic available from:: Jon Eggleton AG Interactive 216-889-5362 [email protected] 19 138 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 A/B Testing Case Study Session Description Encyclopaedia Britannica has been prolific in their use of A/B testing over the past 18 months. This information-packed session calls upon the findings of a number of tests (both winners and losers) designed to enable marketers to revisit all elements of a campaign including strategy, design, execution, and of course, results. About the Presenter Joe Miller Senior VP Consumer Sales & Marketing, Encyclopaedia Britannica Inc. Newly appointed as senior vice president of consumer sales & marketing for Encyclopaedia Britannica, Joe Miller brings more than 17 years of direct response, online marketing and product management experience into his new role. After marketing stints at SBC Ameritech and GE, Miller joined Britannica in April 2006 and since then, has spearheaded the company’s PRESENTATION MODERATOR: Our next speaker is actually – I want to take a quick poll of the audience. How many of you use a free trial as part of your subscription marketing efforts? OK, good. Lots and lots. Obviously, then, free trials are, depending on your brand recognition, how well known you are, they’re a huge part of getting people to actually convert and become paid subscribers. You might get some people who just know they want to subscribe. They don’t need the free trial. For a lot of you, the big case is they’re going to want to take that trial before they actually convert. Our next presenter is going to talk a little bit about what they’ve done with their free trial conversion path. Sort of that key question is: Are we making it as easy as possible to get people into that free trial funnel because once we get them in there, maybe we have a much better chance of converting them. What are we doing to optimize that registration path for the free trial and get these people sort of into our marketing world? new customer acquisition, business development, SEO, and e-commerce activities. Currently residing in Chicago Illinois, Miller holds a BS in Communications and a MS in Advertising from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. About Encyclopaedia Britannica Encyclopaedia Britannica, Inc. (www.britannica.com) is a leader in reference and education publishing whose products can be found in many media from the Internet to cell phones to books. A pioneer in electronic publishing since the early 1980s, the company also still publishes the 32-volume Encyclopaedia Britannica, along with such services such as Britannica Online School Edition and new printed products such as Britannica Student Encyclopedia, which are available online at http:// store.britannica.com. Britannica’s editorial operation is overseen by some of the world’s most distinguished scholars, making Britannica’s online product second to none. Britannica’s online content is available in its entirety to both institutions and consumers via paid subscription. The company makes its headquarters in Chicago. Let’s bring up Joe Miller from Encyclopedia Britannica, and he can tell us what they’ve been doing. Joe Miller: Good afternoon. I will try to keep this very swift. My job is basically to give you folks some understandings of how we do A/B testing, hopefully provide some actionable type examples that you can take to any business model. One of the things at Britannica, and it’s funny, and it’s not necessarily here because we’re all selling content. Let’s say I’m back at home at soccer games and stuff like that, and folks are like, “Britannica? What are you guys - you still selling books?” They’re actually hugely expensive, so we have tried to do other things. They are sometimes surprised that we’re actually online. The thing I wanted to try to show you real quick is what our business model is today as we’ve tried to get away from just selling big, hugely expensive books. Basically we have, as most of you all have, a bunch of content databases; millions and millions of pages of practically every topic that’s out there. We basically do still sell books; we go online and then we put that © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 139 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 A/B Testing Case Study into software. Those are really basically our three main products today. We do sell the bulk of our content through to institutions. So this is the B-to-B play. Libraries, universities, elementary schools. This is a very lucrative business for us, and it continues to be. Then the other part is consumers, or our B-to-C. Basically, I would say probably 70-80% of our revenues is through that institutional channel. So we’re the poor step-child. Is that an accurate phrase? What we also do is we have two – there is a free-site experience and there’s a premium experience. If you were to purchase a subscription to Britannica Online, there’s basically five databases that you get access to. They vary from different writing levels. We’ve got kindergarten databases all the way up to collegiate levels. Today, on the consumer side, we have two versions. We have just a regular general reference one, and then we’ve also created a student edition, which takes some of those lower level databases, and then we also have the integrated learning activities and homework help in some of those areas. Actually, both of those editions are $70 a year, and I’ll show you, we only do annuals only today. Right now we’re at a seven-day free trial. Basically, our visitors are mainly students, info gatherers, learners, however the buyers end up being primarily parents with their kids in that middle-age type area. What I thought was kind of interesting, too, to kind of give you a little bit of evolution because, and this will be my Web 1.0 slide, and I think we’re actually still in Web 1.0 for us. This is our view in 1998. This is right when, as we all remember, the golden age, so to speak, of the Internet and everything was all great. This is fairly – you had the big call to action up right up there. Why subscribe? Seven-day free trial. It’s funny. We haven’t changed the seven day in what? Ten years? 140 | there. This is actually where we are today, even though we are now changing this again to hopefully a fresher look. This is also an interesting thing. Talking about scope treatment and everybody just jamming stuff into a home page: This is how our home page has grown. Now you’ve got a skyscraper on that right, so hopefully we can change that, too. The first thing I want to do is – about two and a half years ago is when Britannica really started to get into A/B testing. At that time, we wanted to kind of start off, and we looked at our metrics, because we get millions and millions of people coming into the site. Yet we had very few people hit the call to actions and even a fraction of those folks signing up for free trials. One of the first places we start was really taking the registration path and really doing an overhaul. Unfortunately, that’s really not A/B testing, as you’ll see. What we really wanted to kind of say is what’s a new path, what it should be. At that time, we brought in MarketingExperiments to basically create a registration engine. For us, we couldn’t afford, technology-wise, to have our developer spend three years trying to develop a registration path. We went outside to kind of build this and try to do our testing in an outside lab, so to speak, but one that mirrored our own registration. Our original path was basically a five-page offer page. We gave you options …We had information fields where you clicked, and all that basic stuff. A thank you page that went out or a confirmation, and then a thank you page. So a pretty basic registration, but it took forever to get through this stuff. What we wanted to do, though, is try to freshen this up. This is how it – and you can’t necessarily see the year, but this is kind of flashed forward to about 2000 or 1999. One of the things back then is we just started changing things all the time. It was just slap up creative here and there. I joined the company two years ago, so I can’t take credit for any of this creative. Now you can see, this basically was the landing page where “Why try?” and all those benefits, more benefits on the right, a bunch of pictures with happy people, and good stuff. What we want to do, though, is try to make this more simple. When we came in, we wanted to try to go right in to say, “What is someone getting with that headline?” This was something where in the old one, it was really just “Why try?” And it really went into asking questions, which isn’t bad, but just too much. We also, then, started to go into more free copy. Then we went to – and this is actually somewhere – Britannica actually split off and was going to do an IPO and all this great stuff, and it was going to be separate from Encyclopedia Britannica, so they started doing some branding here and more stuff. I’ll get through The pages before were like a purchase. It was stuff where we went in and we were pitching a free trial. Then it was, “Buy this. Here’s your subscription.” All this. You’ll see as we go through this, there was tons of things like that. We started to bullet and bold. We didn’t do that © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 A/B Testing Case Study before. Larger images. Now obviously, tons of variables were changing, so this is not – I’ll get to the A/B part pretty soon. then a 53% lift in total revenue, which also told me that we had more refunds with the new path, but still it was, net/net, a very positive thing. Leading with free language. I’m going to go through these pretty quick, because it’s pretty basic. We used to mention credit cards on other pages, but here we wanted to just mention it here. Establish the value was something we didn’t do before. We compared those to savings on a – and actually, I don’t know if you knew this, but it costs $1,400 to still buy an encyclopedia. I love people that buy that, but it’s not happening a lot. Now we have this baseline, and now we’ve got this new registration path, so now it’s time to start tweaking some things. What we ended up trying to do is – I heard this earlier, talking about monthly, annual bundles, and we actually had three different bundles that were going on. We eliminated some unnecessary fields, and then we began with more a proactive and beneficial button. We actually went with orange. We haven’t tested red or gray, but that may be something. Then just risk-free points. There’s a lot where we tried to simple up. Then a testimonial. We also did the same thing on the subscription options page. Here it was just credit cards on the left. It’s all about purchase. It was pick an option. Here’s your price. Remember, I’m talking free trials. I need people to sign up for a free trial. Now we get in here and say, “Hey, here’s a case after your free trial if you want to go forward, here’s some options you can set up.” We changed it from – before it said subscription, registration, the free trial. Credit cards, we took those out. We spelled out some savings in there, and then we had an incentive call to action. So that’s some of the stuff. It’s funny. I was putting these slides together, and I was all ambitious, getting all these bullets, and you’ll see these start to not get so ambitious. Anyway, the paid look is still going through. Now we get into – it’s still disarming copy. It’s free trial. We just want you to set up your access. No big deal. Once again, free. You get the idea. It really was starting to just get them through where it’s not a paid process. Confirmation page. Here was order confirmation. They still think it’s a purchase in this situation. The credit card images are still there. Hey, free trial confirmation. Go ahead and get going. What we ended up doing is – what we found in this, once we revamped this whole thing, and then we got us a baseline, we had 125% more free trials per unique visitor. So all the people that hit that page, how many free trials did we get? We more than doubled that. Sixtyfive % of those became paid subs per unique visitor. Now you’ll notice that went down, so that meant we widened that funnel quite a bit. My conversion rate off that went down, but I still had 65% more paid subs and The way this process worked, as you recall, we had this in a new path, landing page, offer page, gave you some options, and then you could set up your account at that point. What we ended up doing is just trusting annualonly registration. We ended up taking out this middle page. It really gets into basically a paradox of choice. What we found out is that people go through and they see this. If we didn’t give them a choice, and we went right through here, and in this particular test we ended up getting 117% lift in free trials. Once again, more than doubling what we were getting. 61% lift in paid subs. Same type of behavior you saw before. I think in this one it turned out we had annuals where it was more of a commitment. You’re taking this free trial, you’re in this seven-day period. If you’re going to get dinged for $70, you may think about it. So we had more people canceling there, and net/net, 130% lift in revenue. Now we just do annual only. We did – and this was about a year ago – we retested this to try to see – because one of the things we had found in a test is that we underestimated the monthlies’ retention. I think before we were getting about five months location life, and some of them we were getting eight to nine months. When we retested, it actually reconfirmed that annual was still better. This is another one which – and you hear in new customer acquisition especially, and we’ve had different partners come to us and say, “Your path is too long. You need to shorten it up. If you could go to a one-page order form, we’ll give you half the rate.” So we wanted to try to test that first before just developing it. This was a situation where we actually tested taking that initial page – on the right, actually, is the control. So we took the first page, and we actually ask for a credit card, by the way, up front. You can’t see the fields. These are hard free trials. Then we combined that with the account information page. We put those all on one page with the idea that, hey, this is the one-pager. They fill this out, set up your access and you go. We say thank you and you’re done. Review it and you’re done. © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 141 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 A/B Testing Case Study This one surprised me. We got 3% less free trials on this one. We had slightly less paid subs. This one – the only difference here on these, we had the two columns, so you’ve got – this was just one column, this is two columns, so 4% and 6%, so that was even worse. This one was not one that did well for us at all. It did surprise me. I wonder though, because we tested this through organic traffic, so this is a situation where if someone came through a paid search link, or just came to Britannica, we probably will resurrect that for new customer acquisitions. If we’re doing it like affiliate marketing, some advertising out there, or even paid search would be an area to try to try it, to see if that would work. I’m possibly going too fast. I’m just blasting out a bunch of our different tests, and hopefully it makes sense. This was one – our article page is really our landing page, if you think about it. Most of the time for us someone comes into our site, and really our business model is they come in and you see this abstract or this gist, and then we say, “Hey, if you want to read the rest of this you’ve got to click through, and then you’re going to have to take the free trial.” The challenge for us is really now to start to play around – this used to be green. We went from green and actually give away a thing to orange. I tell you, we tested, and this was before my time. They tested everything to get rid of this green arrow, because it just was ungodly ugly, but it just kept working, until, thank goodness, the orange came out. This was the only thing you’re changing here. We took – we added this, ‘activate your free trial,” and then put it in this ‘activate my free trial’ call to action. It was a little more promotional. In this one here, we finally found something that went, so we went with orange here. It had 30% less clicks, and I think the reality here is we got people to get clickthrough, you know, get the full article, and they – but here it’s like activate a free trial, which is probably more of a commitment. We got more qualified clickthroughs, because we had 13% more free trials per unique visitor, and then 61% more free trials per click. So that’s after they click, and then we measured the click to the free trial rate. Bottom line, 24% more paid subs per unique visitor. So, hence, the orange button. Now this is something, as we go forward and, actually, as we move forward and we do some more stuff with multi-variable testing and such, this will be areas where we can start playing around with it too. This is another test which was interesting in that we tried to – this is 142 | the test. If you remember that other page before, and I’m trying to see, we added an email address capture on the front here. The idea here was before people click through, could we get their email address and then be able to do some recovery after the fact? The idea was, if you want to read this, activate your free trial, put in your email address, and then when they came over, it was already … pre-populated with their email address, one less thing for them to actually fill out. After they abandon, say someone went through there and they abandon the process, we would send an email an hour afterwards promoting all the great things. Come back, please, type of thing. Then 24 hours afterwards to see what happened as well. Try to recover these folks if we had their email address. This one was – we had 53% less – and that was expected. We thought you see this email, that’s going to be a barrier and we’re going to lose some folks here. We did get 11% more free trials per unique visitor, 45 more paid subs per unique visitor. Now this was one that scared people. They were like, “Oh, you’re going to collect emails up here.” It was one where we ended up not doing it, but then we did that one, and then we tested that orange button and such. That’s why we ended up with that. That was an example, though, that it wasn’t quite compelling enough for folks to say, “Hey, let’s collect all these email addresses.” But then – and I think we also had some customer service issues. This is one now, and I didn’t actually talk about it too much in the beginning, but our consumer business model has three prongs to it. When someone comes to our page, I’m trying to push you to buy a premium subscription. At the same time, and you didn’t see it on that page, we also have advertising on those pages. Before you actually click over, we’re selling you ads. We’ve got Google ads on there, and we also have some display ads that are out there. We’re trying to actually generate revenue for advertising. Our third way is through e-commerce. So we have people who click through and go to our shop and buy stuff. What we try to do, then, is measure total revenue per visitor. It’s not just the premium site, but also looking at advertising. One of the deals that our ad group brought to us was MS Live, where what they wanted to do was run a find more about dog instantly with Live Search. This was a CPC offer where for every click we were going to get paid by MSN to send them off. As a premium © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 A/B Testing Case Study service guy, well, I’m going to be funneling off people that I want to try to click this. This was one of these, what’s the best total revenue model, that we need to go to? We did an A/B test here where we ran just the control and didn’t have this in here with this. The way this worked out, 20% less clicks per unique visitor. We had people that were clicking on that link, whereas they would have not before. We had 14% less free trials, and 12% less paid subs. Subscription dipped, however, because of how lucrative that link was, and we got tons of people clicking through, a 70% gain in overall revenue. This was one that – you know what, MSN? As long as you want to keep paying us, we’ll run that link. That’s been a nice thing for us. The other thing we are doing here, and I know most of you folks – I know on the etail side – you see the Hacker Safe, or the VeriSign type logos, and I’ve always been curious – and we have never done on our side, is what’s the value of that? You read the material and they’ll talk about 40% lift if you have it. Since it costs money it’s an ROI issue. Do you we really want it and so forth. We actually, then, wanted to try the test and see what this would work out to be. The only difference here from the A/B is you have the control, and we threw in this – the Hacker Safe part here. We ran this, and this one took a long time because we only ran it on a certain part of the site. It’s actually still – I think there’s a 60% confidence level. Right now we’re at about a 13.2% lift at free trials just by having that one little element. This is one where, as we continue to go through, is it – and I don’t know if we’ll go and try to play around with placements and stuff – and sometimes, we used to have two of these things. We had the thought – I don’t know if that’s how you pronounce it, but another logo. Does that make a difference? So this was one that was very positive. In the future for us – so now we’re moving off this A/B. If I had a choice, back in that example where we had the old path, new path type of area. I could have done that probably much more quickly if I had this. What we’re looking to do now on our landing page is taking each of these different areas, and we’re using Offermatica as our resource here, and really start to throw out different variables and see if I can optimize this page. We’ve actually now created a separate registration path, just to do multi-variable testing to see how this works out. I don’t have results yet. We’re just launching this out, but this is where our future goes on this stuff. Actually we moved through that pretty quick. Anyway, that’s it. So that was just some of the stuff we’re doing out there. Any questions? Participant: I was just going to ask on your competitive information. Clearly you must compete against a lot of the free information sites like Wikipedia? How do you differentiate yourself? Joe Miller: I’m sorry. Wiki - what? No, actually it’s funny. We do compete against all those. Google was probably our biggest competitor in terms of free information. For us, it’s been more of an SEO story in that how we’ve done things on the SEO side, which is a whole other presentation, but trying to get those gisttype pages showing up in search engines. Actually I joke about Wikipedia, but since they came on board for us, it’s really been one of the best things that’s happened for Britannica. Before that, if you think about online encyclopedias, I mean nobody really talked about them. It wasn’t – it’s never going to be sexy or anything like that. But it’s now more relevant where people were dealing with Wikipedia. Since they’ve come online – and I’d love to say it’s been all marketing and all SEO – our traffic over the last 18 months has gone up three-fold. It really has been coming from the people looking for information online from an encyclopedia or from Google and SEO. Competitively, yeah, I think it’s Google. People are going to Wikipedia, but I think we’re also seeing people going from Wikipedia to us to try to verify it, so to speak. We’ve got the vetted editor content and all such. You still have to have that balance. The reality for us for Wikipedia and then Google, you could find everything out there. You don’t know if it’s right or not, but it’s out there. There’s stuff that’s going to be great that we don’t have. It is, for us, all those things. It helped us, I think, competitively. From a paid side, I think Encarta used to be fairly strong in terms of that, but I think Microsoft has somewhat started to downgrade that. Then there’s other reference sites like encyclopedia.com and such that were all playing in that same sandbox trying to get our listings up. That’s a good question. Participant: You spoke about the recovery email that you send out, I believe. Is that correct? One trend in the industry with these is marketers are using more. They’re both sending these emails out, sending a short series, and also continuing to email these people promotional offers. I had a two-part question for you because I’m © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 143 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 A/B Testing Case Study guessing that you guys are pretty protective of your brand. Part one would be how do you ensure that your emails reflect that they’re a customer service email as opposed to a promotional email? Secondly, do you do anything longer term with these people or do you just send out one or two recovery emails and leave it at that? Joe Miller: Well, I think – and that’s a good question because we are very protective and obviously want to be very compliant with all those rules. That may have been one of the hesitations with that program. I mean, we do have an opt-in script that you didn’t see but it was in there somewhere in terms of how we go through it. That one was a little bit weird. For the recovery, it was like, “Hey, you stopped doing this action. Can we have you come in?” Then we tied it a second time. We needed to definitely separate those folks off from a compliance point of view, to say, “That was it. We’re not going to keep bugging you.” We really wanted to keep those messages on message. Say, “Hey, this is the only thing we’re contacting you about. There’s no other selling point.” We do today, we are trying to figure out, to take advantage of abandoners as they go through that funnel. As folks are dropping off, how do we – not necessarily on the recovery side, but really going out promotionally – say, “Hey, why did you stop? Can we give you a different offer?” Once again, keeping it focused from that point of view. The same kind of messaging that we do when someone cancels a subscription, too. I mean, those emails. I think, at least to answer the first part, we do try to keep those separate and really just keep focused on that certain target audience in that message. Participant: Have you tried trials with and without requiring a credit card at the trail point? Can you speak to the difference that you’ve experienced there? Joe Miller: I personally haven’t. It’s one of those you heard it happened back in the day. They did supposedly test a free trial without the credit card, and they could never collect on it. They got a lot of free trials and then nobody really paid. Obviously no one – it was just some rate where doing it this way, we received more of it. One of the things we are looking at when you come into our site is you’re either an unregistered visitor or you become a free trial. There is no in-between. One of the things we’re looking at, especially as we launch a 144 | new site, is can we create this middle tier? As I start to benchmark different areas - like I was looking - and it’s not the same industry. But Morningstar, for instance, as I recall, has an unregistered visitor, a free registered visitor, and then they’ve got the premium. So, we are looking at basically a free trial period where someone can come in and register for free without the credit card, and have privileges for that certain period of time and see if there is a way for us to increase our eligible base, and then try to do some remarketing with some of the tools and some of the learnings we have. What we also are trying to do with the new site is get away from, not get away, but enhance not just selling content but some of the tools that you use with it. And can we start to create a model where – and I use the example of Web hosting, or Flickr, where you have a basic, where you’re just doing some things very basically on the site – if you want some of the bells and whistles, then you’ve got to pay. So, maybe that basic one is one where you don’t need a credit card. You can have some limited privileges, but see a lot of the content. Right now, though, our experience is that the hard credit card one is the best bottom line, but I am going to test that again to see where it’s at. Participant: You talked about the MSN Live link earlier. It looked pretty clear to me that that particular link was actually cannibalizing subscriptions. From your perspective, is it more important to have subscribers or that overall revenue that you have coming in? Joe Miller: You know … I think where we’re going to is that it’s going to be more important from an overall revenue, because the future model for us will end up pushing and pushing more than free content line. Though we want to have that relationship in terms of the premium services, I think the reality for us is going to be the ad model is going to surpass what the subscription model is going to be, especially if we’re able to open up the content and create more page use. The thing that’s keeping us from doing it, and I’ll tell you, if we could, if we didn’t have that institutional base that had all those libraries and schools paying millions of dollars in licenses, we’d be free today for that. We would be trying to do – you know, if you think about Wikipedia, for instance, I think the figure is saw is like three billion page views per month, which is like 187 times what ours is, if you can do the math. For us, if we were to open up and be able to compete © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 A/B Testing Case Study on that level, and I’m not saying we’d get all the way to three billion page views, but that’s a lot of money when you think of CPMs on advertising. I think for us, though, long term, I could see us being free, but then how do you – you don’t want to cannibalize those institutional revenues, and so we’re kind of doing it halfway. Actually, to give you a little bit of story, from ’98 to 2000, when I was showing those slides before, we were free when they were trying to spin off. Those institutional licenses just plummeted. Britannica, it used to be, I think, a $3 billion to $4 billion company. So now we’re a fraction of that. It’s obviously that fear from our leadership is when do you go to that free side. Going back to answer your question, for me it’s total revenue. I think subscribers - and we are growing our subscriber base surprisingly. We were going down, and now we’ve pushed it back up a little bit. Part of it is, I think we were repositioning and doing some of those optimizations that are making it work. I kind of want both. We’re going to try to make it work both ways. Participant: What was the minimum amount of time that you allowed for each test? Also, what was the maximum amount of variables that you test at a given time? Joe Miller: Well, our basic variable is we’re measuring free trials. We looked for each leg to have 400 free trials per leg to get 90% confidence level. That generally took us about two weeks to achieve that, depending on where the placement was and if the measure truly was free trial. That was our basic for that. The second question, you talk about maximum number of variables. On the A/B side, we tried to keep it just that one variable. On multi-variable testing, when we go for that, we’re going to be looking at – you know, you can alter, I think, it’s up to those seven different variables and create recipes. Within each of those variables, you can have – and I don’t know the exact figure. Somebody here is probably going to slap me down, but I think it’s like four to five different creatives that you’re just routing through to get that best recipe. On those, we are looking at a lot more. Obviously, the more variables you have in there, the longer time it takes to get that optimal. We’ve got to play around with that since we just started to launch it. © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 145 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 A/B Testing Case Study A/B Testing Case Study Joe Miller, Senior VP of Consumer Sales & Marketing Encyclopaedia Britannica Monday, May 12, 2008 More data on this topic available from:: Today’s Business Model Books Institutions - B2B Content Databases Online More data on this topic available from:: Consumers - B2C Software 146 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner 2 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 A/B Testing Case Study The Product Britannica Online Premium • 5 databases with millions of pages of reference content • Vary by writing level, from kindergarten thru collegiate levels • Two consumer versions • Core Edition – most robust More data on this topic available from:: • Student Edition – fewer articles, edited for school-level readers + learning activities • Current Offer - $70/yr with 7-day free trial • Site Visitors – students, info gatherers, lifelong learners • Buyers – parents with kids 7 to 15 3 The Evolution of Britannica.com More data on this topic available from:: 1998 1999 2000 2002 2007 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner 4 | 147 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 A/B Testing Case Study Homepage Evolution More data on this topic available from:: 1998 1999 2000 2002 Today 5 Original Registration Path Flow Registration was a 5-page process that came off more like a purchase than a free trial registration. Offer Page Subscription Options Customer Info Collect Confirm Info and Submit Confirmation Page More data on this topic available from:: 6 148 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 A/B Testing Case Study Offer Page Comparison New headline Lead with - what FREE the customer language will get Original New Mention Heavy FREEcredit copycard, but with no-risk, no obligation Establish value Bullets and bolding Eliminate unnecessary Larger image fields, i.e. “show” the customer address. what they will receive Risk free reinforcement More data on this topic available from:: Button is proactive and beneficial Testimonial adds credibility 7 Subscription Options Comparison Original New Changed from “subscription registration” to “free trial activation” More data on this topic available from:: Credit cards and paid copy removed Savings spelled out Incentive CTA 8 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 149 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 A/B Testing Case Study Customer Info Collect Comparison Original New The “paid” look/feel continues through the registration process Disarming copy in the header - what a customer actually would like to do Subscription Type is “FREE” as part of free trial Verify your address replaces “billing information” to continue the free trial approach Start using Britannica Online copy use on button to incentivise the customer to continue More data on this topic available from:: 9 Confirmation Page Comparison Original New Copy confirms that the customer just made a purchase instead of activating a free trial. Free Trial Confirmation replaces “order confirmation” from the original version to reemphasize that it is not a “paid” process. More data on this topic available from:: The credit card images - On any up-front paid offer, these are excellent. On a free trial, they are the opposite. 10 150 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 A/B Testing Case Study WINNER - New Path • 125% more free trials per Unique Visitor • 65% more Paid Subs per Unique Visitor More data on this topic available from:: • 53% lift in Total Revenue 11 Monthly/Annual/Bundle vs. Annual Only Offer Page Subscription Options Page Account Setup Page Monthly/Annual/M-W Bundle Registration Path Flow Annual Only Registration Path Flow More data on this topic available from:: WINNER 117% lift in FT 61% lift in Paid Subs 130% lift in Revenue 12 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 151 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 A/B Testing Case Study 1 Page Order Form Test 1 Page, 1 Column 1 Page, 2 Column 3% less FTs 1% less paid subs 4% less FTs 6% less paid subs 2 Page (Control) More data on this topic available from:: 13 Article Page CTA Test Control Article Page More data on this topic available from:: Test Article Page with New CTA WINNER • 30% less clicks but… • 13% more FTs per UV • 61% more FTs per click • 24% more Paid Subs per UV 14 152 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 A/B Testing Case Study Basket Recovery Test Test Article Page Offer Page with Pre-Populated Email Email Sent 1 Hour After Abandoning Email Sent 24 Hours After Abandoning More data on this topic available from:: • 53% less CTA clicks But… • 11% more FTs per Unique Visitor • 4% more Paid Subs per Unique Visitor 15 MSN Live Text Link Test Control Article Page More data on this topic available from:: Test Article Page with MSN Live Text Ad • 20% less clicks per UV • 14% less FT per UV • 12% less Paid Subs per UV BUT • 70% gain in overall revenue 16 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 153 MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 A/B Testing Case Study Hackersafe Logo Test Control Offer Page Test Offer Page with Hackersafe Logo More data on this topic available from:: Logo delivering 13.2% lift in free trials to-date 17 Future Multivariate Test Areas More data on this topic available from:: 18 154 | © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner MarketingSherpa Selling Online Subscriptions Summit Transcript 2008 A/B Testing Case Study Credits/Thank You Joe Miller, Encyclopaedia Britannica 312-347-7065 [email protected] More data on this topic available from:: 19 © Copyright 2008 MarketingSherpa LLC. It is forbidden to copy this transcript in any manner | 155