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David Lynch interviews Paul McCartney about Meditation and Maharishi YouTube
Rosemary's Baby: in which the horrible scene where Mia Farrow is impregnated with the antichrist
child, includes a cameo appearance in the movie by (presumably) a lookalike Pope Paul VI,
participating in the ritual.
From 1.35 in the Lynch/McCartney interview "...do you remember the place?”
“I don’t remember, I think it was in Kensington, Chelsea or somewhere”
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LOL Paul, or whatever your name is.. All that LSD must have affected your memory. Must have Diana’s
Kensington home on the brain.
Let me remind you. A rather significant lecture hall within spitting distance of Buckingham Palace, St James'
Palace (where Diana lived with Charles} and the Duke of Wellington Barracks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caxton_Hall
As well as the Maharishi's tour in 1967..
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Caxton Hall's central role in the militant suffrage movement is now commemorated by a bronzed
scroll sculpture that stands nearby in Christchurch Gardens open space.
The occultist Alister Crowley and friends celebrated the Rites of Eleusis in the hall in October and
November, 1910.
In 1940 it was the site of the assassination of Michael O'Dwyer, former Lieutenant Governor of the
Punjab in India by Indian nationalist Udham Singh, as an act of revenge for the1919 Amritsar
massacre.
The National Front, an openly neonazi British political party was formed at a meeting in Caxton Hall,
Westminster on 7 February 1967
It was also used as a central London register office until 1979, many famous people being married
there including Donald Campbell (two marriages), Harrison Marks, Billy Butlin, Elizabeth Taylor, Diana
Dors, Peter Sellers, Roger Moore, Orson Welles, Joan Collins, Yehudi Menuhin, Adam Faith, Robin
Nedwell, Barry Gibb, George Harrison and Ringo Starr.
Crowds attending the ceremony of Elizabeth Taylor (very close friend of Michael Jackson) and Michael Wilding.
..and who else?
Diana Spencer's step mother
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raine_S...untess_Spencer
The hall was demolished and and circular block of 13 flats/apartments was built on the site in 2006. I would
love to know who lives there now!
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Which immediately reminded me of
Of a curiosity I was about to refer to Rosemary's Baby earlier in this thread with one of the film references
but thought it may lead off tangentially. Anyone remember a Rosemary reference RoseMary?
However hard we try to make it a Roman Polanski free zone it may be just too hard. I have had one of his
other films on my mind since the start of this journey.
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And if anyone wants to look into all that Crowley stuff you won't have to look very far for our Diana of course.
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But even Venus owes all her charm to the swift messenger of the Gods, Mercury, the
joyous and ambiguous boy whose tricks first scandalize and then delight Olympus. But
Mercury, too, is found wanting. Not in him alone is the secret cure for all the woe of the human race.
Swift as ever, he passes, and gives place to the youngest of the Gods, to the virginal Moon.
Behold her, Madonnalike, throned and crowned, veiled, silent, awaiting the promise of the
future. She is Isis and Mary, Istar and Bhavani, Artemis and Diana. But Artemis is still
barren of hope until the spirit of the Infinite All, Great Pan, tears asunder the veil and
displays the hope of humanity, the Crowned Child of the Future. All this is symbolized in
the holy rites which we have recovered from the darkness of history, and now in the
fullness of time disclose that the world may be redeemed.
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Gotta keep it light though.
If you are in the Pittsburgh area you can pop along to Diana's Tea Rooms and find out all about it. Though
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Originally Posted by Bronllys And if anyone wants to look into all that Crowley stuff you won't have to look very far for our Diana of
course.
But even Venus owes all her charm to the swift messenger of the Gods, Mercury, the
joyous and ambiguous boy whose tricks first scandalize and then delight Olympus. But
Mercury, too, is found wanting. Not in him alone is the secret cure for all the woe of the
human race. Swift as ever, he passes, and gives place to the youngest of the Gods, to the
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Public performances of the Rites in 1910, Caxton Hall
Script 1 : The Rite of Saturn : October 19th, 1910
Script 2 : The Rite of Jupiter : October 26th, 1910
Script 3 : The Rite of Mars : November 2nd, 1910
Script 4 : The Rite of Sol : November 9th, 1910
Script 5 : The Rite of Venus : November 16th, 1910
Script 6 : The Rite of Mercury : November 23rd, 1910
Script 7 : The Rite of Luna : November 30th, 1910
JFK Ist 23rd Nov is the day after.
Diana 2nd?
Nov 9th seems to crop up a lot too.
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It is worth another post on Michael Jackson and his connection to Diana/Joan of Arc
Jackson was emerging a giant superstar of pop in the early 1980’s at the time Diana was entering the world
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spotlight and becoming the most sought after paparazzi shot after her royal wedding and the birth of Prince
William.
In 1982 Jackson released the world’s top selling album, Thriller, which contained a song called Billie Jean.
There was a film released in 1985 called the Legend of Billie Jean and others have done some excellent work
in investigating the connections and foretelling of much in Jackson’s life through this and other films.
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We simply don't know how much influence MJ has over the media, and the movie industry. I'm not
sad one bit that MJ hasn't Bammed after 2 years. This stuff is not learned overnight or in a
crash course.
The one of particular interest for us is in the Joan of Arc parallel with Michael’s life. This is number 3 in the
series of YouTube videos on the theme.
TMP Michael and the Movies: The Legend of Billie Jean
pt 3 YouTube
In the film the characters are seen watching a film called Saint Joan, made in 1957, one we have not met
yet. It is often confused with Joan of Arc, starring Ingrid Bergman from 1948.
This adaptation of the George Bernard Shaw play by Graham Greene was groundbreaking in that it started
with the closing scene then worked its way through a whole series of flashbacks before ending with the
opening scene again. A sort of seeing the end from the beginning.
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Now the Joan character was played by Quote:
Jean Dorothy Seberg (November 13, 1938 – August 30, 1979) was an American actress. Seberg
made her film debut in 1957 in the title role of Saint Joan, from the George Bernard Shaw play, after
being chosen from 18,000 hopefuls by director Otto Preminger in a $150,000 talent search. Her name
was entered by a neighbor.[7] By the time she was cast, on October 21, 1956, her only acting
experience had been a single season of summer stock performances.[8] The film was paired with a
great deal of publicity about which Seberg commented that she was "embarrassed by all the
attention".] Despite a big buildup, called in the press a "Pygmalion experiment", both the film and
Seberg received poor notices.] On the failure, she later told the press:
"I have two memories of Saint Joan. The first was being burned at the stake in the picture. The
second was being burned at the stake by the critics.
Jean Seberg died at the age of 40 of a barbiturate overdose in Paris. Her death was ruled a
suicide.ten days later, her decomposing body was found wrapped in a blanket in the back seat of her
Renault.
Seberg is also one of the bestknown targets of the FBI COINTELPRO project. Her victimization was
rendered as a welldocumented retaliation for her support of civil rights and activist groups in the
1960s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Seberg
One of her other films was L’Attentat (The Attack), released in the US as 'The French Conspiracy' as it
happens.
Now that is interesting. A Jean clearly specifically chosen to play the role of Joan of Arc then subject to mind
control and died in the back of a car in Paris as an alleged suicide the day before the day of Diana’s death.
In the short video story of the song Billie Jean we see a paparazzo stalking the character but when he
eventually takes a shot it is shown to be blank. No one there!
We also have the illumination of a dance floor
Michael Jackson Billie Jean YouTube
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She was more like a beauty queen from a movie scene
I said don't mind, but what do you mean I am the one, who will dance on the floor in the round
She said I am the one, who will dance on the floor in the round
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Billie Jean was the song in which Jackson first performed his trademark ‘moonwalk’ on stage.
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The short film for Jackson's "Billie Jean" is considered the video that brought MTV, a fairly new and
unknown music channel, into mainstream attention. It was the first video by a black artist to be aired
regularly by the channel, as the network's executives felt black music wasn't "rock" enough.[ Directed
by Steve Barron, the video shows a photographer who follows Jackson. The paparazzo never catches
the singer, and when photographed Jackson fails to materialise on the developed picture. The
entertainer dances his way to Billie Jean's hotel room and as he walks along a sidewalk, each tile
lights up at his touch. After he performs a quick spin, Jackson jumps and lands, freeze framed, on his
toes. Upon arrival at the hotel, Jackson climbs the staircase to Billie Jean's room. Each step lights up
as he touches it and a burnt out "Hotel" sign illuminates as he passes. The paparazzo then arrives at
the scene and watches as Jackson vanishes under the covers of Billie Jean's bed. Trailed by the
police, the paparazzo is then arrested for spying on Billie Jean.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billie_Jean
On Aug 31st 1987, exactly 10 years before Pont d’Alma, Jackson released his ‘Bad’ album. It contains the
song’ Dirty Diana' which he said had nothing to do with the princess. Even so that is worthy of note wouldn’t
you say?
One of his most recognised tunes from that same album is ‘Man in the Mirror’
Now the official video is unusual in that it only features a red jacketed Jackson in the crowd scene at the end.
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Instead, it featured a montage of footage from various major news events such as a nuclear
explosion of Operation Crossroads, the Civil Rights March on Washington, John F. Kennedy and
Robert Kennedy assassinations, the Vietnam War, the Kent State shootings, the Iranian hostage
crisis, Solidarity's birth and growth, Ethiopian famine, increases in homelessness, Live Aid, first Farm
Aid withWillie Nelson, Jessica McClure's rescue, Camp David Accords (with Anwar El Sadat, Menachem
Begin, Jimmy Carter), INF Treaty signing (with Mikhail Gorbachev and Ronald Reagan), and other
notable people including Martin Luther King, Lech Wałęsa, Mother Teresa, Desmond Tutu, John Lennon
and Yoko Ono, Mahatma Gandhi, Rosa Parks, Pieter Willem Botha, Muammar alGaddafi, theKu Klux
Klan, and Adolf Hitler.
An alternate live video was used as the opening song in Jackson's film Moonwalker with live audio and
footage from several live performances of the song during the Bad World Tour.
Michael Jackson Man In The Mirror YouTube
Someone else, presumably a fan has made a JFK montage to the same song, re enforcing the association.
Pres. Kennedy Michael Jackson Man in the mirror.wmv
YouTube
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I’m sure there is a lot more that could be dug up in relation to Michael Jackson but I’ll leave with a few
parallels between him and Diana in summary
Both had staged/ psy op deaths
Both emerged into super stardom at the same time. A moonwalking star and a moon goddess revealed by a
star
Both were global icons
Both fought for privacy from the glare of the media, or at least appeared to do so
Both confided in the other
Both had a saint/sinner/Joan of Arc motif(Jackson was known for his great philanthropic work and was dogged
by accusation)
Both had global outpourings of grief at their funerals
Both had very inconsistent accounts of doctors and coroners in relation to their deaths
Both had an odd relationship with Mohammed Al Fayed
One more thing that comes to the fore with Jackson is his intimate relationship with the Sony Corporation.
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Hello loopDloop. I'm here to correct a mistake you made earlier here when you wrote this:
"Since 2006, there was been a website online promoting a very strange theory: that the lyrics of the singer
Morrisey have some kind of connection to the death of Diana.
It's a strange site. It's not very well set out, and it doesn't really do a good job of making sense of the claims
it is making. Some of the “clues” are very weak, and some of them are actually just wrong. For example, the
very first line of the site claims that Johnny Marr and Morrissey met on August 31 1978. Yet, the wikipedia
article on Morrissey claims they didn't meet until 1982.
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“In early 1982, Morrissey met the guitarist Johnny Marr and the two began a songwriting partnership: "We got
on absolutely famously. We were very similar in drive."[18] “ The source for that statement is Morrissey himself: ^*"Desert Island Discs with Morrissey".*Desert Island
Discs. 20091129.BBC.*
Now here's the correction I came here to make:
That website http://www.dianamystery.com/ is right about the date that Morrissey and Marr met for the first
time ever. It was indeed August 31, 1978. They didn't form The Smiths until meeting again in 1982. That
second meeting is the one referred to in your Morrissey quote.
Here's the story as detailed in Part 1 of THE SMITHS Songs That Saved Your Life. By Simon Goddard.
Published 2002 by Reynolds and Hearn Ltd.:
"Four years before they formed The Smiths, the actual first meeting between Morrissey and Johnny Marr
actually took place on the night of Thursday, August 31, 1978. At the time, Morrissey was 19 years old and unemployed. His future partner was two months shy of 15 and
still at school. Both were nevertheless compelled to spend that evening under the same roof at Manchester's
Apollo Theatre to witness a concert by New York 'Godmother of Punk' and selfstyled 'Field Marshall of rock n'
roll', Patti Smith.
It was here, thanks to Billy Duffy and Howard Bates, mutual acquaintances from Marr's native Wythenshawe,
that he and Morrissey were briefly introduced. As was perhaps to be expected considering the significant age
gap, conversation began and ended with 'a quick hullo'. Instead both concentrated on the mesmerizing stage
presence of Smith herself. Little could these relative strangers have imagined that four years hence they
would together remodel one of the songs from her set that night, 'Kimberly', as their own 'The Hand That
Rocks The Cradle'. Yet the differing lives, locales, families and friends of the young Morrissey and Marr were
such that could so very easily not have crossed paths ever again."
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Part 1 of THE SMITHS Songs That Saved Your Life. By Simon Goddard. It's cool that they first met at a Patti "Smith" concert and years later they formed The "Smiths". But the
freaky thing is that Morrissey was 19 and the concert was on August 31 and 19 years later Diana would die on
August 31!
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I take it you're a big Morrisey fan then?
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Thank you, hortonwho72, for your post clarifying that Morrissey and Marr did actually meet for the first time
on August 31 1978. This is quite an uncanny day for their initial encounter, given what we've now seen are
the many references to the Diana carcrash in Paris on The Queen is Dead album. It's also an excellent co
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It's almost as if everything is connected in a seamless web of synchronicity.
That's the theme of this post. Everything is connected. No need to try to figure it out. Just follow the dots. Morrissey first met Johnny Marr on August 31 1978 at a Patti Smith gig. In less than a month, you can go see Morrissey play a gig with Patti Smith:
The gig is at the Staples Center. This is where the Michael Jackson memorial service was held, July 7 2009,
at which Paris appeared in public without her mask for the first time, Isis Unveiled.
At this point I'd also like to thank Bronllys for the fascinating posts on Michael Jackson. His album Bad being
released on August 31 1987, ten years to the day before the Diana carcrash in Paris, is hard to ignore,
particularly on top of Mohamed Al Fayed erecting a statue of Michael at Fulham FC. I wondered if there was
any MJ connection to the Arc de Triomphe. Here we go again.
Michael's next album after Bad was Dangerous. The first single was Black or White, released November
11, 1991. That is the day, of course, of the lighting of the eternal flame under the Arc de Triomphe, and
also release of Joan of Arc 1948 movie. In the memorable film clip:
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The final verse is performed by Jackson on a large sculpted torch, which the camera pans out to
reveal as the Statue of Liberty. Jackson is seen singing on Lady Liberty's torch surrounded by other
famous world edifices including The Giza Sphinx, Hagia Sophia, The Parthenon, Taj Mahal, St. Basil's
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Cathedral, Pyramids of Giza, Golden Gate Bridge, Big Ben and the Eiffel Tower.
Here's Michael singing at the flame on the Statue of Liberty:
Now they zoom out, and we see him on a collage of world monuments, including the Eiffel Tower.
Here is the the Flame of Liberty at the Pont d'Alma marking the site of Diana's crash. This is of course an
exact copy of the flame on the Statue of Liberty. Getting a bit blatant isn't it. The torch. The statue of Liberty, which is Isis. And the Eiffel Tower! No Arc de Triomphe (yet) but getting
closer.
The fifth single from the album was a song called Who Is It, released on August 31 1992, about a woman
who uses multiple identities, including the name Diana.
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Released August 31, 1992
...the girl takes on different identities (I.e. Eve, Diana, etc.) for her job as a high class call girl.
The ninth and final single of the album is Gone Too Soon. From wikipedia article on the song we learn that the
song is connected to Princess Diana:
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Jackson's version of "Gone Too Soon" was dedicated to the memory of Jackson's friend Ryan White, a
teenager from Kokomo, Indiana who came to national attention, after being expelled from his school
for having HIV/AIDS. ...
In life, Diana herself was an advocate for those inflicted with HIV/AIDS; in the late 1980s, The
Princess of Wales was one of the first public figures to be photographed touching a person infected
with HIV. She contributed to changing the public opinion of AIDS sufferers during the subsequent
years, as her involvement with a variety of AIDS charities was a consistent public role she embraced.
Diana was also a fan and personal friend of Jackson, who particularly enjoyed his hit "Dirty Diana".
During the Bad World Tour, she and The Prince of Wales attended one of the seven sellout shows in
Wembley, where Jackson presented the couple with four tour jackets for themselves and Princes
William and Harry. Following his friend's death in August 1997, Jackson permitted "Gone Too Soon" to
be included on a Diana commemorative album entitled Tribute. The proceeds from the sale of the
album went to the Diana, Princess of Wales Memorial Fund.
But it's Jackson's next album which I want to talk about, his ninth studio album HIStory: Past, Present and
Future Book 1.
This album was released June 16 1995, which is another of our memorable dates: release of The Queen is
Dead in 1986, and death of Lady Diana Cooper, the same day. But there's another connection to Princess Diana from this day. In 1992, it was the day of publication of
Diana: Her True Story, by Andrew Morton. From the amazon page:
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Diana: Her True Story was originally published in 1992 under the guise of a quasiauthorized
biography, with mostly unnamed courtiers and royalty as the accredited sources. It instantly became
a sizzling, international bestseller that lanced the boil of Windsor family dysfunction, triggering a
chain of events that led to Charles and Diana's divorce. After her tragic death in 1997, Andrew Morton
revealed that Diana herself had not only been the main source for the book, but had also edited his
original drafts for accuracy.
In return for this gold mine of information, Diana wanted complete anonymity for fear of retaliation
from the queen. Her True Story in Her Own Words is enhanced by more than 75 fullcolor photographs
of the princess, from her childhood in Althorp to her marriage to Charles at Westminster Abbey to her
humanitarian efforts, and finally to her unforgettable funeral service. However, the most poignant
portrayal of the princess emerges from the unedited transcriptions of Diana's interviews with Morton:
"I think I'm going to cut a very different path from everyone else. I'm going to break away from this
setup and go and help the man on the street."
So let's just list those two items side by side. See if you can see a pattern:
June 16, 1992: Diana: Her True Story
June 16, 1995: Michael Jackson: HIStory
The release of this Michael Jackson was overthetop ridiculous, even by Michael's lofty standards. Sony made
nine statues of Michael, and positioned them around Europe.
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In 1995, music pop star Michael Jackson and his record label, Sony Music, were preparing for the
release of a new album – what would become Jackson’s HIStory: Past, Present & Future, Book 1. The
project would become one of the most expensive music product promotions ever. Part of the plan for
promoting this album came from Jackson himself. Reportedly, when record executives asked him
what he thought might be done, Jackson told the Sony executives “build a statue of me.” Not only did Sony build one statue of Jackson – they built nine of them, each about 32 feet tall,
constructed with steel and fibreglass. These Jackson statues – with Michael cast in military garb,
bandolier across his chest, fists clenched at his side, gazing off into the distance – were placed
strategically in European cities in June 1995. They became center pieces in an elaborate $30 million
campaign to promote Jackson and his new album. link
On June 16, 1995, they floated one of these statues of Michael down the Thames, even opening up Tower
Bridge for it to pass through.
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So much material. Here's a bunch of quotes from Michael, about Diana, and then a comment by Prince
William, on an interesting day...
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Barbara: And when you finally did a concert, you dedicated it to her. What did you say?
Michael: In my heart I was saying, “I love you Diana. Shine. And shine on forever, because you are
the true Princess of the people.” And in words I did not say it, but I said it for three minutes in
showing a big picture on the jumbotron screens…Sony, big huge screens…and her picture was there
shining…and the crowd went bananas (makes sound effects of the crowd’s noises) And I played the
song “Smile” and “Gone Too Soon”.
Barbara: Give us some of the lyrics, if you can.
Michael: “Shiny and sparkly, and splendedly bright, here one day, gone one night…Gone too soon.” "I feel that people like myself and other artists should carry the torch of what her mission was and I
think I have that understanding – it’s what I do, and am willing to do. "Diana was a wonderful person with a good heart. She went round the world as a philanthropist just
like Mother Theresa. "
"Diana’s death was the saddest I’ve ever felt – it reminded me of when Kennedy died. It broke my
heart so much, I just cried and cried. [Dodi] was wonderful, just wonderful. A really smart, charming
guy. It was a terrible tragedy for Mohammed and my heart goes out to him and his family. "
Sb: What if you found a woman you was soft, who was incredibly soft?
MJ: Like a Mother Teresa or a Lady Diana or… That would be great. That would be perfect. Prince William Talking About the Princess Diana Memorial Concerts, June 16, 2007
And your mother was obviously a huge music fan but what artists did she actually really listened to
and liked? We know that she was friend with Elton John and George Michael, but who did she really
liked listening to?
Prince William: She loved exactly the kind of people who are coming, really. Sir Elton, George
Michael… She loved Supertramp…She loved Michael Jackson… Tina Turner, Bryan Adams.
In addition to the statues, they made a movie promoting HIStory. It is maybe the most insane thing in the
history of pop music. Michael Jackson as a kind of dictator/saviour of the world. Too bizarre. The clip begins
with preparations being made, armies assembling, crowds gathering, finally Michael arriving. Then the real
action begins, Michael dancing, with a millionstrong CGI army lined up either side of him, stretching as far as
the eye can see, into the distance. The key moment of the action: the dance begins. The camera pans back,
to reveal that the parade of men stretches along a Champs d'Elsysées, towards an Arc de Triomphe.
That's Michael, the black speck in the middle. Here's the clip, then the pic:
Michael Jackson History Part1 YouTube
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It's not just the appearance of the Arch. Just like in Mulholland Drive, just like in Arch of Triumph 1948 it
appears at the key moment in the story.
When she died, Michael happened to be in Paris, for his HIStory tour. He felt it necessary to deny that he had
been dining with Diana and Dodi at the Ritz on the fateful night. So at least we can be certain of that. Quote:
Pop Superstar Michael Jackson will pay a special tribute to Princess Diana today at a concert in the
Belgian coastal resort of Ostend, the concert promoters said.
Jackson, an acquaintance of the princess, called off the original show on Sunday after he learned
Diana and her companion Dodi Al Fayed had been killed in a high speed car crash in Paris.
“Michael Jackson will dedicate the concert to Diana, Princess of Wales,” promoters Make It Happen
said. “It will be a tribute to Diana.”
A spokesman said Jackson, who is based in Paris for the European leg of his HIStory World Tour, had
been sick with grief when he heard the news – and had a doctor’s note to prove it.
However, his personal publicist told Reuters there was no truth in press speculation Jackson had dined
with the pair at the Ritz hotel just before the fatal crash.
She said she was unaware what form the tribute to the Princess would take.
I think we're beginning to see why Mohamed El Fayed erected a statue of Michael at Fulham FC. It was his
way of saying: "thanks, Michael, for playing your part in the Diana simulation ritual event".
And here's Mohamed busting out some moves. Would that be the moonwalk?
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Originally Posted by loopDloop In addition to the statues, they made a movie promoting HIStory. It is maybe the most insane thing
in the history of pop music. Michael Jackson as a kind of dictator/saviour of the world. Too bizarre.
The clip begins with preparations being made, armies assembling, crowds gathering, finally Michael
arriving. Then the real action begins, Michael dancing, with a millionstrong CGI army lined up either
side of him, stretching as far as the eye can see, into the distance. The key moment of the action: the
dance begins. The camera pans back, to reveal that the parade of men stretches along a Champs
d'Elsysées, towards an Arc de Triomphe. That's Michael, the black speck in the middle. Here's the
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Yesterday, it was revealed the star had also hailed the showmanship of Adolf Hitler in the same
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Just one more Michael Jackson item, before we move on to our next topic: his birthday is August 29, which is both the
day that Ingrid Bergman was born, and the day she died. So that's an effortless connect to Joan of Arc right there....
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Annother curiousity, as we've seen above, Michael was in Paris on the weekend of the Diana/Dodi car crash, which
was of course Saturday August 30 and Sunday August 31 1997. That means that it was Michael's birthday the day
before, Friday August 29. So he would have been celebrating his 39th birthday the night before Diana died. There was a concert that night in
Copenhagen as part of the HIStory world tour. The next concert was for the Sunday night, in Osten, Belgium, but, as quoted above, was cancelled and rescheduled
for September 3rd.
On that weekend, his wife Debbie Rowe, (they had married November 14, 1996, Prince Charles birthday ) would
have been two months pregnant with Jackson's daughter, who would be born April 3, 1998, and named: Paris. I
wonder why he named her that, and also why he named the two boys both Prince.
When he stayed in Paris, he always stayed at the Plaza Athénée, according to Marilyn Z. Tomlins, and she looks to me
like a reliable source:
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And I can tell you that Le Plaza Athénée used to be Liz Taylor’s watering hole when in Paris. And that Michael
Jackson also used to stay there when in Paris, no doubt on his friend Liz’ recommendation.
http://www.marilynztomlins.com/artic...ngersoritzy/
The Plaza Athénée is at 25 Avenue Montaigne, which is just down the way from the Flame of Liberty at the Pont
d'Alma.
You can even see the Flame if you lean out the window. Here's Street View: the entrance to the Hotel at right, the
Flame at the end of the Avenue at left (highlight in red):
So, perhaps he flew back to Paris after the Copenhagen concert, on this birthday, the Friday night, then spend
Saturday night in Paris, at his usual hotel, the Plaza Athénée. If Michael was there that night, then he would have been about 300 metres from where the crash took place.
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He found out rather quick. Here's the promoter of the Belgium concert, scheduled for the Sunday night,
August 31 1997.
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The day of the death of Lady Di, that is to say, August 31, 1997, Michael Jackson was giving a concert
in Ostend. However, too moved, he could not go on stage and canceled his concert.
Paul Ambach received the phone call from the King of Pop at 4 o'clock in the morning (when Lady
Di was declared dead, an hour and a half before the official press conference announcing his death) to
clarify that he was in mourning and he canceled his concert. He was, according to Paul Ambach,
"incommunicado."
That's a translation from the page where Paul Ambach is interviewed, in French here.
But how could Michael be in mourning at 4am? No one else knew, publically, until 6am, when the press
conference was held. In fact, she was only declared dead at 4am. This was CNN reporting on the day:
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PARIS (CNN) Britain's Princess Diana died early Sunday at a Paris hospital after suffering massive
internal injuries in a highspeed car crash. She was 36. Her companion, Harrod's heir Dodi Fayed, and
their chauffeur died at the crash scene.
Diana, Princess of Wales, died at 4 a.m. after going into cardiac arrest, doctors told a news
conference at Paris' Hospital de la Pitie Salpetriere.
The death was announced at 6 a.m. by Dr. Alain Pavie, head of the cardiology department.
This is rather jawdropping stuff. Michael Jackson cancelled the Sunday night concert, according to the
promoter, at the same time that she was declared dead. Let's just go nice and slow here. He said he was in mourning. He clearly knew she was dead, or due to be
declared dead, at 4am. He didn't even wait until the public announcement at 6am to cancel the concert. He
certainly wasn't sleeping. It doesn't seem remotely possible that information from inside the hospital could
have been transmitted to Michael Jackson any earlier than to the rest of us. So if he didn't hear about it
direct, he must have been working from a schedule. Or a script. Like Arch of Triumph, in which four o'clock in
the morning is repeatedly mentioned in connection with the death of Joan/Diana.
That must be it. Michael was working from a script, but, unusually for him of all people, his timing was a little
off that night. Michael Jackson jumped the gun that night in Paris. He was all set up, 300m down the road, counting it down,
and maybe he just couldn't wait to get on with it all. Made the call just a little early.
Wife beside him, newly pregnant with their daughter. Named her Paris. First time she took off her veil in
public, 7/7/09 at the Staples Centre, LA. You can catch Morrissey there live with Patti Smith on March 1. That
would be 3/1/13 in USA, or 1/3/13 in UK. Everything is connected.
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That Amazon quotation you have, LoopDloop, in your post #327, has it wrong (not your fault) about Diana's
wedding. She and Chuck were married in St. Paul's Cathedral, not Westminster Abbey. Andrew and Fergie
were married in Westminster Abbey.
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Sorry to digress folks.
You guys are the 'symbolism' people of the moment. What do you make of this?
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Businessman and billionaire Mohamed AlFayed has given the British Monarch a rare but unusual gift
in celebration of her 60year reign.
At a dinner to commemorate the upcoming Diamond Jubilee, AlFayed personally presented Queen
Elizabeth with an autographed replica of the world’s largest cubic zircona.
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The curious gift was offered in a small rectangular wooden box, with the object surrounded by
chocolate miniFabergé eggs.
Sources close to Queen Elizabeth suggested that she was “perplexed” by the gift. Royal watcher and
columnist Peter SmythJones was quoted as saying, “There is a message in this, but I don’t know
quite what it is.”“Why a billionaire would buy Her Royal Highness a replica of a cubic zirconia, and not
a real one, is something we as Brits may never understand,” he added
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...5DC6E6ABEC4EBD
It's not even the weird gift that perplexes me most. Once again, it's the whole 'Those murdering lizard people
killed my son' thing. He was at a private dinner in the presence of the queen. Again. This event was very
exclusive and intimate. Are we really mean't to believe our monarch has absolutely no say in who her dinner
guests are, at her own celebration? Why on earth would she allow him to be there? Then there's the small
matter of him presenting her with his gift personally. After all the mud slinging that has gone on, you could forgive her for having him shot on the spot! Really Mo'?
I would politely suggest that if you want people to subscribe to your bull shit murdering lizards theory, you
should stop turning up in public and declaring openly your friendship towards the royals. And don't even get
me started on Bessie.....
Bronllys had it right at the very beginning of the thread pantomime.
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"Diana Vaughan, circa 1897"
http://shrineodreams.wordpress.com/tag/dianavaughan/
"This quisling, Miss Diana Vaughan, was "born" in July 1895 and her story appeared in twentyfour monthly
issues of "her" Memoirs of an ExPalladist."
http://www.casebook.org/dissertation...nry/anti2.html This post is about an excruciatingly well documented hoax perpetrated by "Leo Taxil" real name: Marie
Joseph Gabriel Antoine JogandPagès, better known by the pen name Léo Taxil, was a French writer and
journalist who became known for his strong antiCatholic and anticlerical views. Wikipedia
^Our Paris, France connection.
This post was extremely difficult to construct while keeping it as succinct as possible. To understand the hoax
in European religious/free masonry history and it's effects, which still echo today, you can read any of the
links provided in full or on many sites by searching for "Leo Taxil."
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“The most colossal hoax of modern times”, this is how Mr. Léo Taxil himself termed his
enterprise, and, in his modest success, he does not hesitate to give himself the title of king of modern
pranksters. He flatters himself in having used his natural talents, perfected with a gradual
training, for the good of society infected with the virus of superstition. Since the odiousness
of his parodies and contradictory mummeries seem to evade Mr. Taxil, let us not pause to scold him
on this point; let us stick to considering him the joyous and gigantic prankster that he claims to be.
…The unique concession that we might make to his vanity is to note that he is one of the
first to have erected a social career, an industrial profession, on the art of
fraud, nevertheless still classifying it among the flimsy fantasies. …
…. There are funny pranks, meant to be believed only so long as you don’t think about them very
much, that are amusing and harmless. But it is easier to get people to believe than it is to
renounce their beliefs, so hoaxes can have a very negative effect. Satire is dangerous.
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Diana was supposedly involved in Satanic freemasonry, but was redeemed when one day she
professed admiration for Joan of Arc, at whose name the demons were put to flight. As Diana
Vaughan, Taxil published a book called Eucharistic Novena, a collection of prayers which were praised
by the Pope.
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"Baphomet leading Diana Vaughan down the road paved with good intentions."
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….. But, by 1896, the more rational members of the Church were becoming disturbed by the
extraordinary and unsupported stories. Taxil's greatest threat was an Austrian Jesuit named
Father Gruber who wrote saying that he believed Walder, [Diana]Vaughan and the Palladists all did
not exist and never had…
….….. Others felt Miss [Diana] Vaughan should be canonised.
…….. The Congress concluded that there was no evidence either way in support or against the writings
(even the actual existence) of Diana Vaughan. Strangely….. while Rome utterly believed
DianaVaughan existed the French and German Jesuits were not so sure…..
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....But the dream run was over. On 19 April 1897 when Diana Vaughan was scheduled to present an
address at the Paris Geographical Society, Taxil appeared alone on stage....
"….….. Others felt Miss [Diana] Vaughan should be canonised."
A very prominent one of those "others" was Therese Martin. I referenced her poems about Joan of Arc in
an earlier post as well as her belief that Diana Vaughan due to her "saintlike" shunning of "Palladist" Free
Masonry and subsequent embrace of the Catholic Church. Remember this "Diana" was a creation of Taxil's.
There was a real person named Diana Vaughan who was a Remington typewriter rep who was in on the hoax,
but Taxil created his "Diana" as a free mason turned Catholic, "she" was a writer of prayers and heroic words.
(Like I said this story is complicated has many layers, one might say. Binary real person/not a real person.)
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"Thérèse Martin, later Saint Thérèse, posing as Joan of Arc. Both she and Diana Vaughan were
inspired by Joan and this photo was used by Taxil to mock her."
Thérèse de Lisieux
Saint Thérèse of Lisieux, or Saint Thérèse of the Child Jesus and the Holy Face, born Marie
FrançoiseThérèse Martin, was a French Carmelite nun. She is also known as "The Little Flower of Jesus" or
simply, "The Little Flower". Wikipedia
Therese was a real person who was made a real saint. She worked hard for the canonization of Joan of Arc
and was duped and ridiculed by Taxil for believing in and supporting the canonization of "Diana Vaughan".
"….. But, by 1896, the more rational members of the Church were becoming disturbed by the extraordinary
and unsupported stories.".......a bit like us questioning the media. And yet, sadly, antimasonics use this
hoax as if it were true. I am neither defending nor denigrating masonry but simply pointing out that once
these lies are believed, they stick, and become the "official story".
So ends this post about a big hoax that has become truth in many circles note it spread to Rome and Pope
Leo..... and one which used the concepts: Diana, Joan of Arc, Therese, Paris, France. HOAX!
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Originally Posted by loopDloop When he stayed in Paris, he always stayed at the Plaza Athénée, according to Marilyn Z. Tomlins, and she looks to
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The Plaza Athénée is at 25 Avenue Montaigne, which is just down the way from the Flame of Liberty at the Pont
d'Alma.
You can even see the Flame if you lean out the window. Here's Street View: the entrance to the Hotel at right, the
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So, perhaps he flew back to Paris after the Copenhagen concert, on this birthday, the Friday night, then spend
Saturday night in Paris, at his usual hotel, the Plaza Athénée. If Michael was there that night, then he would have been about 300 metres from where the crash took place.
The song being sung as Diana's coffin was marched out towards the doors of Westminister Abbey was... Song for Athene!!
Princess Diana's Funeral Part 20: Song for Athene by Sir
John Tavener YouTube
Goddess Athene apparently once turned the beautiful Medusa into an ugly beast with snakes for hair.
Whatever they serve up at that hotel I'm giving it a miss on my next trip to Paris That last photo was from a thread at a Morrissey website/blog. How's that for connections?
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Originally posted by Bronllys;The song being sung as Diana's coffin was marched out towards the
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Oh my God. What the hell is going on here? I am staring at the screen right now in complete and utter
disbelief. I actually had a physical reaction in the pit of my stomach upon reading this. Everyone here knows
I'm a bit of a fledgling when it comes to symbolism, buy I am definitely learning more and more about the
concepts and method.
But no one needs any understanding of the themes ect, to get what Loop and Bronllys have discoverd. My 7
year old would be able to understand the significance of this.
Absolutely incredible. I literally cannot believe it. You have shaken my foundations to the very core (no pun
intended).Thank you for all of your painstaking, bang on the money research. Without you and all of your hard
work I doubt I'd ever have got to the point where I could comprehend the issues in this thread. .....And Bronlllys, you asked how this was for a connection. The answer is amazing awe inspiring, but
completely unprecedented....
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At a dinner to commemorate the upcoming Diamond Jubilee, AlFayed personally presented Queen
Elizabeth with an autographed replica of the world’s largest cubic zircona.
Thank you joanneatom for this wonderful nugget. This certainly is an intriguing story, and seems to hold a
tantalising puzzle for us to solve. The world's biggest cubic zirconium? What? Why? Really?
Actually, no, not really. This quote is a parody! Quote:
Independent, unique, entertaining.
The way real news should be.
All names,*events and*characters (apart from celebrities) are completely fictional. Any resemblance
to persons or deities living or dead is purely coincidental unless used as a humorous device.
This is a satirical news site and is for entertainment purposes only.
Do not believe anything you read here.
The Canberra News Digestive is written, authorised and funded by one man.
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“NO. NOT FUNNY. Stupid and idiotic.”*
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“It’s like The Onion, but for Canberra, making it, better?”
Chris Hore @Scratch2k
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That's the "About" page from the website The Canberra News Digestive where the story about Mo', Betty, and
the worlds biggest cube zirc comes from. Actually, there's another slight giveaway: their tagline: Because
some news is hard to swallow.
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So it's not true. But, hey, let's not let that stop us figuring out the symbolic meaning. It's still a thing.
Someone came up with it, plucked it out of the collective unconscious. Sure they meant it as a joke, but let's
give it the usual treatment and see where it takes us shall we....
World's largest cubic zirconium. Ok, what are these again?
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Cubic zirconia (CZ) is the cubic crystalline form of zirconium dioxide (ZrO2). The synthesized material
is hard, optically flawless and usually colorless, but may be made in a variety of different colors. It
should not be confused with zircon, which is a zirconium silicate (ZrSiO4). It is sometimes
erroneously called "cubic zirconium".
Because of its low cost, durability, and close visual likeness to diamond, synthetic cubic zirconia has
remained the most gemologically and economically important competitor for diamonds since
commercial production began in 1976. Its main competitor as a synthetic gemstone is the more
recently cultivated material, synthetic moissanite.
So, it's all quite fascinating, the process, but let's not get too far off the track. Russian scientists figured out
the trick of how to grow these things in a crucible in the 1970s, and they are still being made the same way. World's largest cubic zirconium is not like largest diamond therefore. It's not a question of finding one and
digging it up, but of how big your crucible is. Biggest crucible makes the biggest crystals. No big deal. You can buy them online. Here they are: the world's biggest cubic zirconiums:
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Worlds Largest CZ 80mm Round 3500 Cts.
Details Giant Brilliant Cubic Zirconia.80mm Round about 3500 carats (1 1/2 lbs.), my scale won't go any
higher. Pure white colorless Perfect for display or wire wrapping projects. Very hard to find gems this
size. To our knowledge this is the largest size possible
Price: $391.46 http://www.lggems.com/products.asp?cat=956
Out of stock at the moment I see, but otherwise. 400 bucks. So Mo' didn't give Liz this rock because of it's monetary value. Indeed he got change out of four Benjamins.
Even billionaires like a bargain. But still, getting out cheap can't be the whole reason behind this (fictional
remember) weird gift. He must be getting at something.
Maybe this?
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"Homer the Vigilante" is the eleventh episode of The Simpsons' fifth season. It originally aired on the
Fox network in the United States on January 6, 1994. In the episode, a crime wave caused by an
elusive cat burglar hits Springfield. Lisa is distraught to find her saxophone has been stolen, and
Homer promises to get it back. The police are ineffective, so Homer takes charge of a neighborhood
watch. However, under his leadership it becomes more like a vigilante group, and fails to catch the
burglar.
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A number of burglaries by a cat burglar take place in Springfield, hitting even the Simpsons' house.
Among the stolen items are Lisa's saxophone, Marge's pearl necklace, Bart's stamp collection, and the
Handheld television.In response, the residents of Springfield arm themselves and install security
devices. A neighborhood watch group is created, and the members elect Homer as their leader. The
group patrols the streets, but its members break laws much more than they catch criminals, turning
into vigilantes. When Homer is interviewed on news anchor Kent Brockman's Smartline, the cat
burglar calls the show and informs Homer that he will steal the world's largest cubic zirconia
from the Springfield museum.
Homer and his group begin guarding the museum. Grampa and his friends from the retirement home
volunteer to help, but Homer tells them to leave because they are too old. A few minutes later,
Homer sees a group of teenagers drinking beer. He leaves his post to stop them, but quickly ends up
getting drunk with them instead. While Homer's guard is down, the cat burglar sneaks past and steals
the zirconia. Homer is blamed and pelted with vegetables by the unforgiving townspeople. Later that
day, Grampa stops by the Simpsons' house and tells everybody that he knows who the cat burglar is:
a resident in the local retirement home named Molloy.
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Molloy is based on David Niven's performance as the character Raffles in the 1939 film Raffles.
Remind you of anyone?
Let's put it all together. Mohamed Al Fayed is a huge Simpsons fan. One of his favourite episodes is Homer
the Vigilante. He sees himself in the character of Molloy, the uppercrust cat burglar. That's really what
Mohamed is, a catburglar. He has made a career of sneaking in the window of high society and making off
with the valuable loot. His career started around 1957, so the business card is about right. So this present to Her Maj is Mohamed's joke. It's a bit complicated, but it goes a bit like this: Diamond
fakery. Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson. The Simpsons. Villa Windsor. "We stole the whole thing right out
from under their noses!" He knows Liz will get it, because she's a huge Simpsons fan as well.
Oh, and there was one more twist to it. Actually, Mohamed had himself written that episode, and paid to have
it inserted into the normal Simpsons programming. His only stipulation: it had to be broadcast January 6.
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Why January 6? Because that's Joan of Arc's birthday of course.
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Ok. So I make a glaring and embarrassing error, yet it still has some evidential value? Thanks Loop.
I don't know how you dug me out of that hole, but thanks again!
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"fake" coincidence feels like in comparison to a "real" coincidence.
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The Simpsons post above shows that with Google, and time on your hands, one can make anything connect to
anything. So that's the benchmark. We need to keep that in mind. It is perfectly possible to start anywhere
and find a couple of lucky hits which link to the target material. The materials we have discussed in this thread however have a very different flavour. In these cases, we
have item piled upon item piled upon item. And then another one on top. We have not just been connecting
one thing to another, but always it is a question of multiple intersecting signals. The Michael Jackson posts are
just the most recent example. The list of direct resonances to the basic template story that we've set out is
too long for it to be a question of lucky strikes. I'm still a bit stunned by the Black & White clip. The November 11 release, featuring the Statue of Liberty
flame, and then pairing it with the Eiffel Tower: taken together, that constitutes surgical precision. This is not
just one reference to the Flame of Liberty, but three or four, all in the one song, all intertwined and re
inforcing each other. It's certainly not a question of straining to find a fit. It's a question rather of recognising
a nowfamiliar pattern and see it standing out clearly because it is intentional. It's meant to be found. And of
course it's not just the Black & White clip. When this is matched withall the rest of the MJ items, we have a
definite situation.
Ditto for Mulholland Drive, The Arch of Triumph, and The Queen is Dead. This story is telling itself, and authenticating itself, as it goes along. The signature is consistent: each time it's
a matter of piling on the synchronicities until the limits of "mere coincidence" have been stretched and
snapped. Now it's time to introduce yet another of these interconnected stories into the mix. Actually, it's re
introducing, as this one has already made an appearance in this thread, thanks to cybele. I want to thank
cybele for her contributions to this thread. She has put her intuitive finger on many subtle pieces of this
puzzle, and I have a feeling that many of the topics she has introduced have much more to be said about
them. That's certainly true of one item which she raised earlier in the thread. In the next posts, I would like to explore this new angle a little. In this case, the "coincidences" pile up as
high, if not higher, than any of the stacks we have built so far. This one isn't just a direct hit but a smackon
bullseye. Now we've seen what a fake coincidence looks like, it's time to look at another one of these real
ones we keep on coming across. This one is a genuine wonder....
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Thanks again to cybele for bringing Wonder Woman into the mix. In an earlier post in this thread, she
pointed out that Wonder Woman's name is Diana. Obviously, this is enough to make us sit up and take notice,
but, in fact, that is just the beginning of it. Here we go again.
Wonder Woman was the daughter of Queen Hippolyte. She is therefore a princess, and her full name and title
is: Quote:
Alter ego: Princess Diana of Themyscira
(As usual all quotes without links are from the relevant wikipedia article)
cybele also noted that Wonder Woman was created by William Moulton Marston, who is a fascinating
character. We will look closer at him in a moment, but the first thing to say is that he used a pseudonym as
the writer of Wonder Woman: Charles Moulton
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William Moulton Marston (May 9, 1893 – May 2, 1947), also known by the pen name Charles Moulton,
was an American psychologist, feminist theorist, inventor and comic book writer who created the
character Wonder Woman. Two women, his wife Elizabeth Holloway Marston and Olive Byrne (who
lived with the couple in a polyamorous relationship), served as exemplars for the character and
greatly influenced her creation.
So right out of the box: Wonder Woman's name is Princess Diana, and she was created by Charles
Moulton, by combining together two women to create a new composite archetypal female
character.
She also had another alias: Diana Prince.
Quote:
Wonder Woman uses the alias Diana Prince, which was created by William Moulton Marston, as her
secret identity.
Princess Diana. Diana Prince. Created by "Charles": Wonder Woman is Princess Diana.
So who was William Moulton Marston?
He was a fascinating individual. A highly credentialled academic. Kept two women happy. A serious
scholar with a serious purpose behind the creation of Wonder Woman. And: he also invented the Lie Detector!
Quote:
He was born in Saugus, Massachusetts. William Marston was educated at Harvard University,
receiving his B.A. in 1915, an L.L.B. in 1918, and a Ph.D. in Psychology in 1921. After teaching at
American University in Washington D.C. and Tufts University in Medford MA, Marston traveled to
Universal Studios in California in 1929, where he spent a year as Director of Public Services.
....
Marston’s personal life was every bit as unconventional as his ideas about matriarchy; if nothing else,
the details make one wonder about his fixation on liberated women. In 1915, the same year he
graduated from Harvard, Marston married a Mt. Holyoke grad named Elizabeth Holloway, who went
on to earn an M.A. and law degree, and to assist him in his psychological research. In the late ’20s,
when teaching at Tufts University, Marston met a student named Olive Richard, who moved in with
him and his wife.
Marston had two children by each woman and he and his wife formally adopted his children by
Richard. "It was an arrangement where they [all] lived together fairly harmoniously," one of
Marston’s sons told Daniels. A business associate vouched for Marston’s offbeat arrangement,
remembering him as "the most remarkable host, with a lovely bunch of kids from different wives...all
living together like one big family everybody very happy and all good, decent people." link
....
Marston is credited as the creator of the systolic blood pressure test used in an attempt to detect
deception, which became one component of the modern polygraph. According to their son, Marston's
wife Elizabeth Holloway Marston was also involved in the development of the systolic bloodpressure
test. It was Elizabeth, who suggested to William that "When she got mad or excited, her blood
pressure seemed to climb" (Lamb, 2001). Although Elizabeth is not listed as Marston's collaborator in
his early work; Lamb, Matte (1996), and others refer directly and indirectly to Elizabeth's own work
on her husband's deception research.
.........
On October 25, 1940, an interview was conducted by former student Olive Byrne (under the
pseudonym 'Olive Richard') and published in The Family Circle, titled "Don't Laugh at the Comics."
Marston described in the article that he saw in the "great educational potential" of comic books. A
followup article was published two years later in 1942.[5] This article caught the attention of comics
publisher Max Gaines, who hired Marston as an Educational Consultant for National Periodicals and All
American Publications, two of the companies that would later merge to form DC Comics.
In the early 1940s, the DC Comics line was dominated by superpower endowed male characters such
as the Green Lantern, Superman (its flagship character), as well as Batman who became known for
his high tech gadgets. According to the Fall 2001 issue of the Boston University alumni magazine, it
was Marston's wife Elizabeth's idea to create a female superhero. Marston was struck by an idea for a
new kind of superhero; one who would triumph not with fists or firepower, but with love. 'Fine,' said
Elizabeth. 'But make her a woman."
Marston introduced the idea to Max Gaines, cofounder with Jack Liebowitz of AllAmerican
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Publications. Given the goahead, Marston developed Wonder Woman, basing her character on
both Elizabeth and Olive Byrne, to be the model of a conventional, liberated, powerful modern
woman.[6] Marston's pseudonym, Charles Moulton, combined his own and Gaines' middle names.
In a 1943 issue of "The American Scholar", Marston wrote: "Not even girls want to be girls so long as
our feminine archetype lacks force, strength, and power. Not wanting to be girls, they don't want to
be tender, submissive, peaceloving as good women are. Women's strong qualities have become
despised because of their weakness. The obvious remedy is to create a feminine character with all the
strength of Superman plus all the allure of a good and beautiful woman."
So Wonder Woman was the conscious creation of a feminine archetype by William Marston, with lofty goals in
mind:
Quote:
"Wonder Woman is psychological propaganda for the new type of woman who should, I
believe, rule the world," Marston wrote.
There is a lot of complex backstory to the Wonder Woman character. It is full of allusions to the goddess
Diana, and other goddess archetypes. There are all kinds of resonances in there to our story. Start for
example with the business of Princess Diana's alter ego, Diana Prince.
Quote:
Diana Prince is a fictional character appearing regularly in stories published by DC Comics. She
debuted in Sensation Comics #1 (January 1942) and serves as the civilian and secret identity of the
superhero Wonder Woman. The character was created by Charles Moulton and Harry G. Peter.
Quote:
Diana Prince was originally the name of an Army nurse who provided the primary alias for Princess
Diana (Wonder Woman) of the Amazons. In January 1942, Princess Diana met Diana Prince, who was
sobbing. When Wonder Woman asked her what was wrong, Prince explained that her fiance, Dan
White, was in South America and she lacked the funds to go be with him. Noticing how similar they
were in appearance, Wonder Woman paid Prince a large amount of money she had just earned from
Al Kale's promotion of her bullets and bracelets routine; in exchange, Prince gave Wonder Woman her
credentials and name. She later saved Steve from Axis forces.
Diana Prince is a nurse. With a connection to Africa. She is a lookalike for Princess Diana, so they arrange an
identity swap, which is mutually beneficial for both parties. Quote:
Through the popularity of her Wonder Woman alter ego, the personality, concept, and name of Diana
Prince have become ingrained in popular culture, becoming synonymous with secret identities
and innocuous fronts for ulterior motives and activities.
Then there is the obvious association with Joan of Arc via the archetype of the Queen of Swords.
This is something I would like to return to in more detail. For now, it's enough to note that in the association
of playing cards to historical personages, as it has become established tradition in France, it is definitely the
Queen of Spades who is identified as Joan of Arc. In the Tarot, this corresponds to the Queen of Swords. It is
sufficient to demonstrate this by showing an example here of a tarot card from France in which the Queen of
Swords is explicitly depicted as Joan of Arc.
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As I say, lots more to say on this topic, but the above is ample to show, I hope, that the myth we have been
watching unfold before our very eyes in this thread is also found in the character of Wonder Woman. Princess
Diana. Created by Charles. Symbolically related to Joan of Arc. This is rich territory.
But I want to conclude this post today with an item that takes all this to the edge of the cliff, and then keeps
going. As far as I'm concerned, what follows is the most astonishing correlation that has been uncovered so
far in this story. In terms of intersections of coincidence, this one takes the cake.
It concerns Ms magazine. Quote:
Ms. is an American liberal feminist magazine cofounded by American feminist and activist Gloria
Steinem and founding editor Letty Cottin Pogrebin[4] together with founding editors Patricia Carbine,
Joanne Edgar, Nina Finkelstein, and Mary Peacock, that first appeared in 1971 as an insert in New
York magazine.[5] The first standalone issue appeared in January 1972 with funding from New York
editor Clay Felker.[5] From July 1972 to 1987, it appeared on a monthly basis. During its heyday in
the 1970s it enjoyed great popularity, but was not always able to reconcile its ideological concerns
with commercial considerations. Since 2001, the magazine has been published by the Feminist
Majority Foundation, based in Los Angeles and Arlington, Virginia.
Ms magazine was a unique feminist publishing event. A magazine published by women, for women. A
magazine for the new feminist generation, all about empowering women and looking at the world through
feminist perspective. After two trial issues, the first proper monthly edition of Ms magazine was published on July 1, 1972.
July 1 is a date we know well in this thread. It's Princess Diana's birthday; the date of Charles investiture as
Prince of Wales, birthdays of Charles Laughton and Lesley Caron; and the day of the year when the sun is
conjunct Sirius.
So it also happened to be the day that the first monthly issue of Ms magazine was published. From
datesinhistory.com, July 1
Quote:
July 1, 1972 Ms. magazine begins publishing;
Here is the cover of that historic first issue:
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Wonder Woman! The archetype of the new woman who will rule the world!
Well, that is pretty amazing isn't it. Diana's 11th birthday. July 1 1972, and Ms Magazine is launched with
Wonder Woman, Princess Diana on the cover.
Twenty five years later, it was time for Ms magazine to celebrate a quartercentury. So that would be July
1972 + 25 years = July 1997. What a milestone. They put out a special double issue to commemorate, what
they called a PreAnniversary Special. They decided to make it a combined July/August 1997 issue.
Quote:
Ms. Magazine Vol VIII, No 1/ 1997 July/August
http://store.feminist.org/msmagazine...ulyaugust.aspx
Here is the cover:
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This was the issue of Ms Magazine that was on newstands on the day Diana died, if that's what happened, and
I am seriously starting to "wonder". August 31 1997: if you had gone out and bought a copy of Ms magazine,
it would have been this one: with Wonder Woman reading the original July 1972 issue. A Look Back at the
Birth of Ms.
The cover shows Princess Diana reading a magazine with Princess Diana on the cover, published the month
before Princess Diana died, to commemorate the 25th anniversary of the first issue, which was published on
Princess Diana's 11th birthday. Now that's what a real coincidence looks like.
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Originally Posted by loopDloop He found out rather quick. Here's the promoter of the Belgium concert, scheduled for the Sunday
night, August 31 1997.
That's a translation from the page where Paul Ambach is interviewed, in French here.
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But how could Michael be in mourning at 4am? No one else knew, publically, until 6am, when the
press conference was held. In fact, she was only declared dead at 4am. This was CNN reporting on
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This is rather jawdropping stuff. Michael Jackson cancelled the Sunday night concert, according to the
promoter, at the same time that she was declared dead. Let's just go nice and slow here. He said he was in mourning. He clearly knew she was dead, or due
to be declared dead, at 4am. He didn't even wait until the public announcement at 6am to cancel the
concert. He certainly wasn't sleeping. It doesn't seem remotely possible that information from inside
the hospital could have been transmitted to Michael Jackson any earlier than to the rest of us. So if he
didn't hear about it direct, he must have been working from a schedule. Or a script. Like Arch of
Triumph, in which four o'clock in the morning is repeatedly mentioned in connection with the death of
Joan/Diana.
That must be it. Michael was working from a script, but, unusually for him of all people, his timing
was a little off that night. There is a fascinating collation of quotations and interviews from Jackson in relation to Diana here including
the seeming potential for them to have got married. http://lacienegasmiled.wordpress.com...rincessdiana/
But here's a thing!
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At the time of Diana’s death in 1997 Jackson was spending thousands a month on phone calls to her.
He said: “We would talk about everything that was happening in her life. She needed to talk to
someone who knew exactly what she was going through.”
“We were very close, especially over the phone. I was married then to LisaMarie. Diana used to
call me and wake me up in the middle of the nightit would be maybe three in the morning
in Los Angeles when she rang.”
“She talked mostly about her children and about the press. LisaMarie used to get so jealous she
would go into the another room, pick up the receiver and listen in. I used to say: ‘Diana, these
phone calls in the middle of the night… you are ruining my marriage!’”
Barbara: How did you hear of her death?
Michael: Um…I woke up (in a quiet and reflective voice) and my doctor gave me the news. And I
fell back down in grief, and I started to cry. The pain…I felt inner pain, in my stomach, and in my
chest. (his voice starts to break slightly) So, I said, “I can’t handle this…it’s too much.” Just the
message and the fact that I knew her personally. Then on top of that one I said, “There’s another
one…real soon…I feel it coming…there’s another one….it’s another one coming and I pray it’s not me…
please don’t let it be me.” And then Mother Theresa came…
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Originally Posted by loopDloop Wonder Woman! The archetype of the new woman who will rule the world!
Well, that is pretty amazing isn't it. Diana's 11th birthday. July 1 1972, and Ms Magazine is launched
with Wonder Woman, Princess Diana on the cover.
Twenty five years later, it was time for Ms magazine to celebrate a quartercentury. So that would be
July 1972 + 25 years = July 1997. What a milestone. They put out a special double issue to
commemorate, what they called a PreAnniversary Special. They decided to make it a combined
July/August 1997 issue.
Here is the cover:
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This was the issue of Ms Magazine that was on newstands on the day Diana died, if that's what
happened, and I am seriously starting to "wonder". August 31 1997: if you had gone out and bought a
copy of Ms magazine, it would have been this one: with Wonder Woman reading the original July 1972
issue. A Look Back at the Birth of Ms.
The cover shows Princess Diana reading a magazine with Princess Diana on the cover, published the
month before Princess Diana died, to commemorate the 25th anniversary of the first issue, which was
published on Princess Diana's birthday. Now that's what a real coincidence looks like.
Well well.
I was holding off until Loop brought this out as I was thinking I may be off in another direction but this timing
is perfect.
I had been musing over another July 1st, 2007 in fact, the Memorial Concert for Diana on what would have
been (or was) her 46th birthday and in the 10th year anniversary of her death.
William and Harry organised a music extravaganza, or at least they fronted it, and it was to reflect many of
Diana’s favourite acts.
Whilst there were a few good moments I would say on the whole it was a sickly sycophantic and unenergetic
display that was passed off as a great atmospheric event. Gillian Anderson (X Files) said it was a great
atmosphere anyway when she introduced Tom Jones.
To catch an example of the peak of cringeworthyness try and endure this performance by P ‘make some noise
if you miss Diana’ Diddy.
Maybe even cringe ‘worship’ ness
P.Diddy I'll Be Missing You Live Concert For Diana
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Did he really say at 1.50
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Today we celebrate her rebirth
?????? And at 4.35
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still living your life after death
etc. 5.20 ff takes the biscuit!
A few other ‘acts’ that stood out.
Supertramp were another of her favourites.
Roger Hodgson did a medley. Here is the last song with the intro cut into it. ‘Give A Little Bit’ .. of your love
to me
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it was Marston's wife Elizabeth's idea to create a female superhero. Marston was struck by an idea for
a new kind of superhero; one who would triumph not with fists or firepower, but with love. 'Fine,' said
Elizabeth. 'But make her a woman."
Give A Little Bit, Roger Hodgson, writer and composer,
Performed at Princess Diana Concert YouTube
Again it was a bit odd to me that Roger talked at least three times in a way that you would about a person
who is alive. Now I know it could be just style but odd nonetheless. Normal memorial celebrations would
acknowledge accomplishments whilst alive as well as confirming the loss of the departed.
0.38 her ‘birthday party’
0.55 “I thought I’d play them for her”
1.05 “ Diana and the Princes ARE doing a wonderful job of inspiring us all”
Breakfast in America. Diana really liked this.
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The last clip is the penultimate act, Ricky Gervais, who was first joined on stage by Mackenzie Crook for a
rendition of ‘Free love on the free love freeway’ from the hit comedy series ‘The Office’
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“She’s gone”
“She’s dead”
“She’s not dead”
This caused quite a stir at the time. As if a continued refrain of “She’s gone” was not awkward enough, the
death references were either extremely insensitive , or maybe, in the light of what is emerging, somewhat
revelatory.
Ricky & Mackenzie singing together Live YouTube
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Nothing brings me more happiness than trying to help the most vulnerable people in society. It is a
goal and an essential part of my life a kind of destiny. Whoever is in distress can call on me. I will
come running wherever they are.
Princess Diana
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When I find myself in times of trouble
Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
And in my hour of darkness
She is standing right in front of me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
Let it be, let it be
Let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
Concert for Diana was at the new Wembley Stadium, newly opened a few months earlier that year. It was as
if Diana was being immortalized under the new arch, an outstanding feature that is the longest unsupported
arch in the world. It is commonly described interestingly as at 317m having a diameter longer than the
Eurostar train, the one that runs between London and Paris!
Diana had attended the old Wembley Stadium several times, for football FA Cup finals and a couple music
concerts. Michael Jackson in July 1988, where there first were introduced, and a few years before at Live Aid
in 1985.
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The future ‘Queen of hearts’ was there with a rather awkward Prince Charles. However it was another Queen
that stole the show that day.
There was no arch back then, but two very famous towers, the twin towers in fact, and hollow towers as it
happens.
Oh, and wasn’t the parallel concert at the JFK stadium over in the USA?
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Originally posted by Bronllys..
Whilst there were a few good moments I would say on the whole it was a sickly sycophantic and
unenergetic display that was passed off as a great atmospheric event. Gillian Anderson (X Files) said
it was a great atmosphere anyway when she introduced Tom Jones.
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It almost seems cruel when it's put like that, but it is oh so true!
It was one of those occasions where even if you were sat in your own front room, alone, at 2am trying to
catch the highlights, you'd literally have to do it through the cracks of your own fingers because it was so
embarrassing to watch.
You would then have to erase it from your memory forever, it was that bad.
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Diana in Brazil, 1991
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closer up:
It's not the same finger, but M.J. is certainly flipping it repeatedly.
**
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Michael Jackson They Don't Care About Us YouTube
"They Don't Care About Us"
Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, aggravation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
Bang bang, shot dead
Everybody's gone mad
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
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Beat me, hate me
You can never break me
Will me, thrill me
You can never kill me
Jew me, sue me
Everybody do me
Kick me, kike me
Don't you black or white me
Tell me what has become of my life
I have a wife and two children who love me
I am the victim of police brutality, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of hate
You're rapin' me off my pride
Oh, for God's sake
I look to heaven to fulfill its prophecy...
Set me free
Everybody gone bad
Trepidation, speculation
Everybody dog food
Black male, black mail
Throw your brother in jail
Tell me what has become of my rights
Am I invisible because you ignore me?
Your proclamation promised me free liberty, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of shame
They're throwing me in a class with a bad name
I can't believe this is the land from which I came
You know I really do hate to say it
The government don't wanna see
But if Roosevelt was livin'
He wouldn't let this be, no, no
Everybody gone bad
Situation, speculation
Everybody litigation
Beat me, bash me
You can never trash me
Hit me, kick me
You can never get me
Some things in life they just don't wanna see
But if Martin Luther was livin'
He wouldn't let this be, no, no
Everybody gone bad
Situation, segregation
Everybody dog food
Kick me, kike me
Don't you wrong or right me
They don't really care about
they don't really care about
Theyhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/8822369/TheChristtheRedeemerstatueinRiode
Janeiroturns80.html?image=19 don't really care about us
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Ms. is an American liberal feminist magazine cofounded by American feminist and activist Gloria
Steinem
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FACT *In 1958, Cord Meyer, head of the CIA’s International Organizations division (IO), had a plan.
The Agency would provide discreet funding to an “informal group of activists” who would constitute
themselves as an alternative American delegation to the festival. The CIA would not only pay their
way but also assist them to distribute books and publish a newspaper in Vienna. Among other
individuals, Meyer and his colleagues hired Gloria Steinem to work with them. Steinem had recently
returned from a twoyear stint in India.
FACT:*In 1958, Steinem was recruited by CIA’s Cord Meyers to direct the “informal group of
activists” now called the “Independent Research Service.” This was part of Meyer’s “Congress for
Cultural Freedom,” which created magazines like “Encounter” and “Partisan Review” to promote a left
liberal chic to oppose Marxism. It was this operation that Steinem’s “student festivals” was a part of.
Besides spying on students, Steinem also acted as an agent provocateur, helping to provoke riots.* http://www.whale.to/b/how7.html
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Gloria Steinem and the CIA
The New York Times, February 21, 1967
C.I.A. Subsidized Festival Trips
Hundreds of Students Were
Sent to World Gatherings
A New York freelance writer disclosed yesterday that the Central Intelligence Agency had supported a
foundation that sent hundreds of Americans to World Youth Festivals in Vienna in 1959 and Helsinki,
Finland, in 1962.
Gloria Steinem, a 30yearold graduate of Smith College, said the C.I.A. has been a major source of
funds for the foundation, the Independence [sic Independent] Research Service, since its formation
in 1958. Almost all of the young persons who received aid from the foundation did not know about the
relationship with the intelligence agency, Miss Steinem said. Ironically, she said, many of the students
who attended the festivals have been criticized as leftists. The festivals are supposed to be financed
by contributions from national student unions, but are, in fact, largely supported by the Soviet Union.
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Gloria Steinem and the CIA by Daniel Brandt
excerpted from*Portland Free Press*March/April 1997
If you don't know who John McCoy was, suffice it to say that he was chairman of Rockefeller's Chase
Manhattan Bank and was a key figure in U.S. cold war strat egy. Other names mentioned below, C.D.
Jackson and Cord Meyer, were top figures in U.S. intelligence. Since there are only several
paragraphs that mention Steinem on two pages from the text and one from the footnotes I will
quote them in full. The source is Kai Bird, The Chairman: John J. McCloy and the Mak ing of the
American Establish ment (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1992), pp. 48384, 727. Note that Bird's
docu mentation includes a letter from Steinem to Jackson while she was getting money from the CIA:
"In the summer of 1959, just before McCloy took his fam ily for an extended trip to Eu rope, C.D.
Jackson wrote to remind McCloy that later that sunnner a World Youth Fes tival was scheduled to
take place in Vienna. Jackson asked McCloy to contribute an article, perhaps on the "be nign and
constructive as pects" of the U.S. occupation of Germany. The piece would appear in a daily
newspaper to be published in Vienna in conjunction with the festival. McCloy agreed, and the ar ticle
was published (in five languages) in a newspaper distributed by a twentyfive yearold Smith
graduate named Gloria Steinem.
"McCloy's connection to Steinem went beyond contrib uting an article to the propa ganda operation
of which she was an editor in Vienna. Late in 1958, he and Jackson had discussed how the United
States should respond to the expected Soviet propaganda blitz in Vienna. Previous gath erings of this
kind had always been held in Moscow, East Berlin, or other cities in East ern Europe. These events
were major propaganda cir cuses, and the CIA was deter niined, in the words of Cord Meyer, a
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career CIA officer, 'to compete more effectively with this obviously successftil Communist apparatus.'
"Washington expected some twenty thousand stu dents and young scholars from all over the world to
con verge on Vienna that summer for the three weel festival. Consequently, the CIA wanted an
organized student presence in Vienna in order to counter Soviet propaganda.
"C.D. Jackson recognized the Vienna Youth Festival as 'an extremely important event in the Great
Game.' He explained, 'This is the first time commies have held one of these shindigs on our side of
the iron curtain; and what goes on, how it goes on, and what the followup will be is, I think,
extremely important.'
"By the time Jackson first approached McCloy, in the autumn of 1958, he and Cord Meyer, head of the
CIA's Interna tional Organizations division (I0), had a plan. The Agency would provide discreet
funding to an 'informal group of activists' who would constitute themselves as an alternative American
delegation to the fes tival. The CIA would not only pay their way but also assist them to distribute
books and publish a newspaper in Vienna. Among other individuals, Jackson and Meyer hired Gloria
Steinem to work with them. Steinem had recently returned from a twoyear stint in India, where she
had been a Chester Bowles Asian Fellow.
http://www.umsl.edu/~thomaskp/pfp.htm
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Dave Emory, the west coast researcher into "deep politics", has
definitely linked portions of the modern (post 1960s) womyn's
movement to the CIA. For example, in his lecture series, "Gloria
in Excelsis", he explores just who *is* Gloria Steinem, guruess
to oppressed ivory tower females and such. http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/v...p?f=33&t=26726
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We began by taking a look at Gloria Steinem, her association with
a CIA front called "The Independent Research Service," and
efforts on the part of Steinem and associates to block
publication of that information first of all by Random House
in a book called *Feminist Revolution*, then by the Village
Voice, and finally by the Heights and Valley News, a New York
community newspaper.
Then we took a look at further information confirming CIA
association with the Independent Research Service, that from *The
Espionage Establishment* by Wise and Ross.
Then we next took a look at a more detailed account of the
Independent Research Service's work in breaking up Socialist
youth conferences abroad. And in particular, we took a look at
the fact that Clay Felker, who played a key role in setting up
Steinem at Ms. [magazine], was an associate of Steinem's with the
Independent Research Service.
We also looked at the fact that Katherine Graham was a principal
figure in helping to get Ms. [magazine] started and also a major
stockholder.
We then looked at the fact that Gloria Steinem's paramour for the
last 9 years, at least as of 1984, was a man named J. Stanley
Pottinger, implicated in an arms smuggling scam and, more
importantly, J. Stanley Pottinger helped block the investigations
into the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Orlando
Letelier.
After that we took a look at the fact that Ms. [magazine's] first
publisher, Elizabeth Forsling Harris, appears to have been a key
figure involved in setting up the assassination of President
Kennedy.
After that, we took a look at the background of Katherine Graham,
a principal figure in the whole Ms. axis. Katherine Graham,
first of all, was part of an "old boy" intelligence network
inextricably involved with the Washington Post. Her husband,
Phillip Graham, had worked with CIA official Frank Wisner in
setting up one of the first CIA/media operations, called
"Operation Mockingbird."
We then looked at how the Washington Post grew, largely as a
result of assistance from the CIA.
We took a look at the intelligence background of Washington Post
editor Ben Bradlee, and in turn his associations with old chums
Richard Helms, CIA Director at the time of Watergate, and also a
guy named Cord Meyer, his brotherinlaw and a key CIA
counterintelligence official himself.
We then looked at the fact that Phillip Graham, just before his
untimely death, became very disenchanted with the CIA's
relationship to the news media perhaps more importantly, began
vocalizing this disenchantment. We then took a look at the fact
that this vocalizing didn't last too long because he blew his
brains out in August of '63, three months before John Kennedy had
*his* brains blown out.
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The first revelations of Gloria Steinem's relationship to the CIA appeared in the New York Times in
1967, in an article that stated that Steinem had a part in launching a CIA front group which was called
the "Independent Research Service." Just prior to this exposure, Ramparts magazine had disclosed
that the organization was CIAfunded.
The purpose of the Independent Research Service seems to have been to subvert communistminded
youths on an international basis. The supposedly "Independent" Research Service was, in fact, totally
dependent on the CIA. It is believed to have been formed in response to the Communist World Youth
festivals occurring throughout the 1950s and 1960s. These festivals were held in communist countries
until 1959, when the festival for that year was scheduled to take place in Vienna neutral territory
during the Cold War. The State Department did its best to discourage American youths from attending.
Some did go, though, and in the meantime the CIA covertly arranged for the Independent Research
Service to organize an anticommunist delegation to attend and disrupt the festivals. ….
Then there is Gloria Steinem's mysteriously swift rise to national prominence so soon after the 1967
exposures. It is a common complaint among exCIA agents that past involvement with the Agency
often impedes their ability to find other forms of employment. This was not the case for Steinem.
According to Red Stocking, "her career skyrocketed after the 1967 exposures. Much of the credit for
this must go to Clay Felker, publisher of New York Magazine. Recently in the news for his acquisition
of the Village Voice, Felker immediately fired its two remaining founders from their jobs as publisher
and editor. Felker was Steinem's editor at Esquire [magazine] where her first freelance pieces were
published. He hired her as contributing editor to New York Magazine in 1968 and booked publicity
spots for her on radio and tv talk shows. Felker put up the money for the preview issue of Ms. in
January of 1972, a large part of which appeared as a supplement in the 1971 yearend issue of New
York Magazine. In effect, it was Felker who made Steinem famous by giving her a platform from
which to establish her Women's Liberation credentials. …
Do not forget that Gloria Steinem dated Henry Kissinger at one time. And think about this: "There is
still the assumption that a woman is not a complete human being by herself. We have to consider the
ways in which we are 'man junkies.'"
(That from Gloria Steinem in a New York Times interview of August 11, 1974.)
Well the Kissinger association is not necessarily very significant at all. However we are going to talk
about a man that she's been with for a very long time who appears to be a very insidious individual
indeed.
Perhaps none of the things in any of the material that we're gonna present here, taken by themselves,
would be too conclusive. However the intersection of all of them is very intriguing indeed.
Now reviewing some of the key points of this Berkeley Barb article: The Independent Research
Service, founded to a considerable extent by Gloria Steinem and codirected by her for quite some
time, was involved with basically breaking up socialist youth conferences and disrupting them abroad,
as well as reporting on the affiliations of some of the people involved. That is obviously the kind of
activity CIA does engage in. And one of the most interesting things is the role of Clay Felker in
boosting Steinem's career and helping to get Ms. started, because Felker was an associate of
Steinem's in the Independent Research Service. Katherine Graham here played a key role in launching
Ms., and then a sort of symbiotic relationship between Ms. [magazine] and Steinem and Newsweek
followed from that. …
Now one of the things that's intriguing about Steinem's association with Pottinger concerns the fact
that Pottinger was not only possibly involved in an arms smuggling scheme to Iran. What is very
intriguing is the fact that J. Stanley Pottinger was involved, while working for the Nixon/Ford Justice
Department, not only in helping to block the investigation into the assassination of Martin Luther King,
but also in operating in connection with former Director of Central Intelligence and current Vice
President of the United States [198189] George Bush in covering up the assassination of Orlando
Letelier, a dissident Chilean diplomat who was blown up (as many of you, I'm sure, here know) in the
middle of Washington, DC. Although U.S. intelligence has disclaimed any involvement in that, that
claim has been destroyed by a number of different books. One of those is an excellent book we've
used before on this program. It's called Death In Washington, coauthored by Donald Freed and Fred
Landis. It was published in hardcover by Lawrence Hill & Co. and it was copyrighted 1980.
And of J. Stanley Pottinger's role in blocking the investigation of Martin Luther King [assassination],
when it began to lead in the direction of the FBI, Freed and Landis write as follows in Death In
Washington:
At the Department of Justice, J. Stanley Pottinger and Michael Shaheen(sp?) were working overtime to
blunt the charge that the Federal Bureau of Investigation might have murdered Dr. King and certainly
had not investigated the crime. …
We're talking about Gloria Steinem, her association with the Central Intelligence Agency, with Ms.
magazine (of course), with people like Katherine Graham, with men like J. Stanley Pottinger. We just
took a look at Pottinger's possible role in an arms smuggling scam and his definite role in covering up
the assassinations of Orlando Letelier and Martin Luther King.
Now we're going to take a look at the interesting "extracurricular activities," I guess you could say,
of the woman who was the first publisher of Ms. magazine. Sometime in the early '70s, a woman by
the name of Pat Carbine ("Carbine," sort of ironic in light of Pottinger's role in these assassinations)
was, she became the publisher of Ms. Before that, the publisher of Ms. magazine was a woman
named Elizabeth Forsling Harris(sp?). And it appears that Elizabeth Forsling Harris played a
primary role in the assassination of John Kennedy.
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Reading from Volume IV of one of the best series of books on the Kennedy assassination... It's called,
Forgive My Grief. It occurs in 4 volumes. It's authored by Penn Jones, Jr.
Now Penn is the editor of the Midlothian Mirror (Midlothian is a suburb of Dallas), and he's one of the
foremost researchers, and a man who began investigating the Kennedy assassination on 11/22/63 and
stuck with it for a long time. Far, far longer than most. And he published Forgive My Grief, Volume
IV, in 1974. Copyright 1974, privately published by Penn Jones, Jr., in softcover. …....
But anyway, far more important than that reference, is the association of Gloria Steinem and Ms.'s
first publisher, Elizabeth Forsling Harris. And it appears that Elizabeth Forsling Harris was involved in
planning the assassination of John Kennedy. (Interesting, in light of Steinem's paramour, J. Stanley
Pottinger, and his connections not only to the assassination of Martin Luther King, but also his
association with people like Michael Vernon Townley, Frank Turpel, Edwin Wilson and not to
mention George Bush in the assassination of Orlando Letelier.)
Reading now from Forgive My Grief, Volume IV.
(And by the way, most of the articles in Penn's book are actually editorials or investigative columns
done by Penn in the Midlothian Mirror. And this is one of them.)
Infiltrating Again
The Women's Liberation Movement, as well as the Youth Movement, must constantly be aware of the
problem of infiltration by enemies. In fact, the [Women's] Liberation group may very well have been
taken over already by the Ms. publisher, Elizabeth Forsling Harris. According to the Dallas papers,
Mrs. Harris accompanied Liberation leader Gloria Steinem during the Steinem appearances in Dallas.
Since reading *Coup d'Etat* by Edward Lipvak(sp?), it is easier to understand the enormous planning,
and checking and doublechecking, necessary before the killing of President John Kennedy could be
successfully accomplished. Taking over the most powerful country in the world is not a small task.
Having constant surveillance on the opinion makers in Dallas was only one of the necessary requisites
in the planning stages. Betty Forsling Harris appears to have been one of the highlevel observers
moved here from Washington. She left Dallas shortly after the assassination.
Elizabeth Forsling came to Dallas a few years before the assassination. She was a great and good
friend of Stanley Marcus of NiemanMarcus [department store]. She married and divorced Leon Harris
of the A. Harris firm. Elizabeth Forsling Harris worked for the Saul Bloom Advertising Agency and was
referred to by Washington planners as "our Dallas contact." She attended the important planning
sessions for the coming visit of the President. The Bloom Agency handled the public relations for the
visit, then also handled public relations for the Jack Ruby trial. This was a first for any court, to have
a public relations firm employed in a court case.
Elizabeth Forsling Harris was a very close coworker, with Jack Pewterbaugh(sp?), on the Dallas trip
which cost the life of President John Kennedy. Pewterbaugh came to Washington from Minnesota, with
Orville Freeman(sp?). In the Agriculture Department, Pewterbaugh was working closely with Billy Sol
Estes, later convicted and sent to prison. It was Pewterbaugh who made the decision to hold the lunch
in the Trade Mart, "because of the proximity to Love Field." And it was Pewterbaugh who made the
decision to take the unauthorized and unnecessary detour in Dealey Plaza.
The two decisions make Pewterbaugh up to his hips in the assassination. Neither he, nor Betty Harris,
were ever questioned by the Warren Commission. ….....
And again, the Bloom Agency handled the P.R. not only for President Kennedy's visit to Dallas, but
also handled the public relations for Jack Ruby's trial. This was the first time any court had had a
public relations firm employed in such a capacity. (Although my understanding is that now that is sort
of standard operating procedure, where anyone can afford it. So this was sort of a groundbreaking
event.)
One thing that is not included in that particular article about the Bloom Agency (and recall that's with
whom Elizabeth Forsling Harris was working) is that Oswald had visited the Bloom Agency a number
of times before his alleged (and obviously nonexistent) role in the assassination of Kennedy. …............
The point here is that Elizabeth Forsling Harris appears to have been a primary planner in the
Kennedy assassination. She was never questioned by the Warren Commission, she worked for the
Bloom Agency, which had some curious roles throughout the [Ruby] trial. And beyond that, she was
heavily involved, along with Jack Pewterbaugh, in planning the motorcade route for John Kennedy.
(That, of necessity for those who've studied the details of the assassination has to have placed
her, as Penn Jones indicated, in the very center of the conspiracy itself. And as we've looked at in our
"Aryan Nation" series as well as "The Guns of November," the Kennedy assassination was, for all
intents and purposes, a military coup.)
Now again, perhaps the Steinem association with Elizabeth Forsling Harris in and of itself
wouldn't be too damning. But in light of all the other information the Independent
Research Service connections, in light of her association with J. Stanley Pottinger and
some of the things Pottinger's been involved in it's one more very interesting detail
concerning Steinem and her involvement in a very deep intelligence mileau.
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/v...p?f=33&t=26726
Cover of first issue of Ms magazine. July 1 1972. Wonder Woman aka Princess Diana.
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Yesterday I was vacant of ideas and clues. Today I have been flooded with so many ideas that it looks like
quite a daunting task to write them all down. One area concerns the official story and going through it piece by piece to render my opinions. I say
‘opinions’, because even though I can back up some of my common sense (according to me) and intuitive
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I’m pretty sure nobody here buys the official story, so why slog through it, but I have not personally looked at
it in any detail. I simply assumed she was murdered by order of some royal family member or another, felt
sad, realized that I admired her more than I had consciously been aware, and moved on.
The second area concerns how all of these layers of meaningful coincidence might occur. In this area will be
questions about such ideas as Carl Jung and “Synchronicity, An Acausal Connecting Principal”, free will vs.
determinism, practical “majick”, a conscious plot passed down through all history and carried out by specific
human beings or bloodlines, a time warp, parallel universes, an archetypal psychic drama that is as much a
part of our human tissue as are our arms and legs, a perpetuated ancient rite via secret societies, time
loops/travel/distortion, hypnotic/subliminal programming, a CIA operation..... and/or any other explanations that might warrant consideration like the official story is correct and this was
a oneoff chance happening just as reported! Help!! I invite everyone to input their ideas on these subjects.
To start with area one, the official story, I am going to do the dissection using:
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*Timeline: How Diana died Key events leading up to and following the death of Princess Diana in a car crash in Paris. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6217366.stm Quote:
*2201: Mr Paul arrives back at the Ritz in his Austin Cooper. He then joins bodyguards Kez Wingfield
and Trever ReesJones in the Vendome bar at the Ritz. The three make small talk whilst they wait for
Princess Diana and Mr Al Fayed to finish their meal in the Imperial Suite. Mr Paul consumes two
Ricard, an aniseedflavoured pastis.
~I am not buying this. I do not believe Paul was drunk. I do not believe Dodi, Diana, and certainly Trevor,
would ride with such an obviously stinking drunk person. I do not believe Dodi’s father would hire, pay, or
keep such an employee. These people (Henri and Trevor), regardless of caring or not on a personal level for
D and D, were no doubt being paid huge bucks to protect them in a professional, sober, and devoted manner.
Thus there was huge motivation to walk the straight and narrow. Also, I have read that Paul was not known to
be much of a drinker. So, while this scenario is remotely possible, it is not plausible in my opinion.
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*0026: First call to the authorities. Emergency doctor Frédéric Mailliez is driving by when he sees the
crashed Mercedes. He is the first doctor on the scene and calls for help.
~What a coincidence! An emergency Doc is cruising by! And, hey lookey! An off duty fireman too!
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The first doctor on the scene was a physician with the private medical service SOS
Medicins. He happened to be driving through the tunnel in the eastbound lane within a
minute of the accident. He stopped his car and went to attend to the passengers of the crashed
Mercedes. He immediately observed that Fayed and a driver were death. The front seat passenger
was already being attended to by an offduty firemen who also happened onto the scene. So he
turned his attention to the blonde woman in the rear, whose identity was not immediately apparent to
him. His first impression, as he later told an interviewer, was that the woman was not in a hopeless
condition, and had a chance to survive. He admitted, however, that he did not know about her internal
problems. See more at: http://www.ispub.com/journal/theint....UKxw9tVp.dpuf
~Again, possible, I suppose, but reeks of the same phoniness as similar stories in other cases. I don’t buy it,
but again, since it is possible I must keep on going with my miniinvestigation.
Since every story must have a picture or viceversa, whether the picture has anything to do with the story or
not, I offer you Prince William:
er, I mean Princess Diana. I have to say I cannot see one iota of the Royal Family in either the heir or the
spare. ~To Be Continued.
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In Trevor Rees Jones' biography "The Bodyguard's Story" it's explained how frustrating it was for him
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Coincidences played a key role in the Official Story. Like for instance the sudden death of the father of
Lana Marks, a close friend of Diana. She and Diana had already planned a holiday weekend in Italy
on August 30/31. Lana Marks is featured in the Diana Biography part 2 as well, from 1.18.15 on:
Diana Princess Of Wales Biography [Part 22] YouTube
Lana Marks' father passed away on July 24, 1997. Early August she cancelled her planned trip to Milan of
August 2629 with Diana. On August 15 Diana went on holiday to Greece with her friend Rosa Monckton.
According to Trevor Rees Jones' biography The Bodyguard's Story, during that holiday in Greece it was
decided that Diana and Dodi would make another cruise on the Jonikal. For 10 days, starting from August 21.
(page 49)
However, Kez Wingfield was told that this cruise would be for only 3 days (page 51.) So he was quite
surprised when he heard on the third day of this trip that it would last one week longer (page 64.) Only on
Friday, August 29, the crew and bodyguards on the Jonikal heard that they would leave for Paris the next day,
Saturday (page 73.)
This a recent interview with Lana Marks:
Princess Diana's Friend Lana Marks Says Diana Would
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At 0.34 she says: "Diana would be beaming, she is beaming from it and she is just totally happy!" __________________
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The one on the left was taken at night (just after the accident?), the one on the right was taken by daylight.
But where is the traffic? The Alma tunnel is a very busy main route in the city of Paris, the tunnel was opened for
traffic again just a few hours after the accident, so when were these photos/footage made? It looks like the tunnel
was closedoff just to make this kind of footage. It's just weird. The Discovery footage may be CGI as well...
No, it wasn't CGI at all. I made these screenshots in 2011 and today I found the source again: (at 0.30)
Princess Diana Conspiracy (USA) investigation part 1
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Unsolved History of Discovery Channel obtained permission to completely closeoff the Alma tunnel a couple of hours for
some audio experiments and other research.
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One of the intriguing issues of the Diana event is the role of the cars involved on that weekend. Besides the well
known story of the Range Rover and Mercedes 600 at the front entrance of the Ritz hotel being used as decoy
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At first sight, there seems nothing special about his black Mini parked in Rue Cambon right in front of the Ritz back
entrance. It's even mentioned in this Discovery documentary at 5.30:
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Then, the camera zooms in on it. This looks like one of those builtin triggers which they are so keen on to show to
their viewers. For some reason it's important for them to show us Henri Paul's black Mini Cooper in Rue Cambon...
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The car parked in front of it is a FIAT Cinquecento. (Btw not a Fiat Uno.) It has the same stickers on the side window:
This photo was obviously taken at 0.20 on Sunday, by one of the three paparazzi present in Rue Cambon. The FIAT is
quite prominent in this photo: Diana has to walk around it in order to get into the Mercedes 280.
This is some very nice and clear cctv footage of the same scene at 19.00: Diana and Dodi leaving the Ritz hotel:
Please note Henri Paul's black Mini again and the small Fiat parked in front of it. Due to the roadworks it wasn't
possible to park more vehicles in front of the hotel. So now we have seen the Fiat Cinquecento parked at that very spot at 19.00 and at 0.20 the next day, Sunday. What
about the black Mini? Well, it wasn't there at 16.35. That's for sure:
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And from the same Ritz cctv camera, the crucial moment of Diana getting in the Mercedes 280:
Both the Fiat Cinquecento and the black Mini are still parked at exactly the same spot as 19.00.
It looks like they didn't move at all from 19.00 on. Hard to tell of course, for they could be used in the mean time and
its drivers could have been lucky enough to park on exactly the same spots again. Saturday evenings are very busy in
downtown Paris; hard to find a nice parking spot right in front of the Ritz back entrance again.
So Henry Paul's black Mini Cooper was parked in Rue Cambon at 19.00, at 0.20 Sunday and throughout that entire
time interval? No, it wasn't.
Henri Paul arrived in his black Mini at the front entrance of the Ritz hotel at 22.08...
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Paul went next to another Paris bar, the Champmesle, that he is said to have frequented. However, a
bartender who placed him there told CNN and Time that he did not appear to be intoxicated and was not there
long enough to have a drink.
Paul came into Champmesle late, around 10, but didn't drink anything there. He didn't have time. He had just
got a call on his cell phone and announced, "Gotta go to work. See you later." He jumped into his black Austin Mini and headed to the Ritz. Surveillancecamera videotape released last
week shows Paul's car pulling up in front of the Ritz.
Though there was enough space there to park a couple of moving vans, Paul curiously executed several
unnecessary backandforth maneuvers.
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Henri Paul's black Austin Mini was parked opposite of La Champmesle Bar at about 22.00 that Saturday evening:
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He was seen at 9:45 by the owner of a nightspot called La Champmesle on the rue Chabanais, a stone's throw
from Paul's building, by a woman who would give her name only as Josy and who described the establishment
as a lesbian bar. "His car was parked on the street, just opposite the entrance," she said. "He had his keys in his hand, and he
waved to us, `Good evening, girls, see you later,' as if he planned to drop in for a beer after he finished
work. I've known him for several years, and I've been tending bar for 25, and I can tell when somebody's
drunk. He wasn't." He drove to the underground garage in front of the Ritz, parking about 10 p.m. Source
Henri Paul must have parked it there earlier, for he left the Ritz just after 19.00 and walked to a nearby bar:
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At 7:05 p.m., Dourneau drove Diana and Fayed from the Ritz to Fayed's apartment near the Arc de Triomphe,
and Paul considered himself off duty.
He appears to have walked to Harry's New York Bar, two minutes away at 5 rue Daunou
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The CCTV pictures show Henri Paul leaving through the revolving door of the front entrance at one minute past 7 pm, turning left and into the Place Vendome.
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Henri Paul's black Austin Mini was parked in Rue Chabanais. He walked out of the front entrance of the Ritz, went to
some bars and drove back to the hotel in his Mini at about 22.00. Thus, the black Mini parked in Rue Cambon, right in front of the Ritz back entrance, must be another car.
That's quite a coincidence, isn't it? A black Austin Mini was a rare (British) car in Paris in those days. Still, it happened
to be parked on the exact spot where Diana and Dodi got into the Mercedes 280, driven by the owner of a similar
black Austin Mini...
Meanwhile, the black Mini in which Henri Paul (allegedly) arrived, had disappeared from Place Vendome at the time
the two decoy vehicles drove off to Dodi's apartment. The same black Mercedes Coupe, which was parked there
before, had returned:
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Why would Discovery have been so eager to show that particular black Mini in Rue Cambon? There might be a
connection with some other issues:
Timing errors in the Ritz cctv footage
Lack of flash lights in the cctv footage of Rue Cambon at 0.20.
The roadworks at the Ritz' back entrance in Rue Cambon.
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In the CGI crash at 1.00 on the video the Mercedes hits the unmarked pillar beyond the (lightly) damaged
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There were some serious problems with the time markers of numerous cctv cameras of the Ritz hotel. Some
events seems to have happened "back in time." It reminds a bit of the timing glitches in the MPM Murder
event: the closingoff of one of the main entrances to the towpath some minutes before the police were
actually informed about her murder by Henry Wiggins.
Okay, so Henri Paul's black Mini arrived at the front entrance at almost 22.09:
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while he came through the front door already at 22.07:
According to this cctv camera, Diana got out of the Mercedes 600 at 21.53:
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while she managed to enter the hotel already at 21.50...
Nothing to see here; just some synchronization problems with the master clock...
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The jury in the Diana, Princess of Wales, inquest today watched CCTV footage from the Ritz Hotel
taken in the runup to the fatal crash. The first of the DVDs showed members of the paparazzi
arriving outside on the afternoon of August 30, 1997. Inspector Paul Carpenter, of the Metropolitan
Police, talked the panel of five men and six women through the staggered images.
He told them there were 43 separate cameras in the hotel in Paris, from where Diana and Dodi Fayed
set off on their final journey, and that 31 were relevant to the inquiry. "Only 31 of them show
movements of the main participants in these events," he said.
He explained a problem with the timings of the footage, saying five different banks of cameras
showed five different times. Some may be up to 2 minutes 52 seconds off the master clock he had
established to try to synchronise the images.
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Time gaps of 2.52 minutes in the cctv footage...that would be a clever way to perform some magic tricks in
plain sight...
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Please note the huge flash lights which were needed to make these photos. However, in the cctv footage of this scene
there are no flashes visible. This is probably because of the rather long time interval (1 sec.) in between the frames,
but still you would expect some flashlights during this sequence. For instance in this video from 1.44 2.17:
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Are the two pillars supposed to be the same?
They look quite different indeed in that footage. It is supposed to look this:
Amazingly, the engine oil got stuck on just one side of the pillar:
This "oil on the pillar" looks kinda weird....
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On the left, the road is covered in oil, dust and footsteps, while on the right the road looks much cleaner...
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Originally Posted by Bronllys In the CGI crash at 1.00 on the video the Mercedes hits the unmarked pillar beyond the (lightly) damaged one. Now that you mention it, yes it does! About those "Diana accident" simulations, they created all kinds of refined spinning
stories to create confusion. In other words: to keep you within those protecting "walls," as far away from the truth as
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The police believe the car hit the third pillar...
Sure, the police are entitled to 'believe' anything they wish, but if they just had a look at the left rear side of the limo:
then it would be quite obvious that it was entirely undamaged. It didn't hit anything at all.
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Those two pillar images do not look like they are the same pillar to me at all although I do know that lighting
conditions can make a great difference in the appearance of things. That whole "documentary" was full of
special effects, collages, CGIs, scenes out of context, and stock images but made to give you the feeling that
"you are there on that very night", etc. I felt assaulted, if not hypnotized and confused by the series of rapidly
flashed images. Another limited hang out truth layer is what I find here.
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Back to the pillar specifically, I tried to find out when this documentary was made. Culto, is the below
segment part of the same documentary you posted? I found a reference that states "it was first broadcast on
4 June 1998, less than a year after Diana's death" @ Princess Diana Conspiracy The Accident Part 1 of 5
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but do the special effects appear far too sophisticated for 1998? It states it was uploaded in 2009 so I am
unable at this point to place these happenings on a timeline.
I swear I have read recently that the pillar has been replaced but I can't find the reference now even with
using various key words. So irritating! Anyway, I thought it would be interesting to know if/when the pillar
was repaired/replaced compared with when the documentary was made. I used to prefer documentaries to
movies because I was getting the truth silly me.
Continued from post # 346:
(Just to be clear, I am coming to my opinions based on the official story and doing this as if we are dealing
with real people (all of them), real untouched and unstaged photos, real witnesses, and real MSM reporters,
investigators, and members of the judiciary who have good, honest intentions and are trying hard to be
accurate.)
Again using:
*Timeline: How Diana died
Key events leading up to and following the death of Princess Diana in a car crash in Paris.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6217366.stm
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“*1520: Mr Al Fayed and the princess arrive at Le Bourget airfield, Paris, and are met by Henri Paul,
deputy head of security at the Ritz Hotel. French paparazzi, tipped off by their Sardinian colleagues,
also await the couple. Mr Al Fayed is stressed by their presence and tells their driver to lose them.”
~Who could know this scenario/conversation actually happened regarding Dodi being stressed and telling the
driver to “lose them”? Who was “their driver” for that leg of the trip? Can we assume that since Henri Paul
greeted them that he was in the car with them? Probably not, there could have been more than one car. It is
obvious in many details that the story of Diana’s last hours is not properly sourced and comes across as
anecdotal rather than well researched with proper sources and citations.
Since the French paparazzi have been tipped off by their Sardinian counterparts why can’t I find any photos of
the arrival at Le Bourget Airfield? If anyone can find such photos please post them. These would be extremely
valuable photos as they would be some of the very last photos of Diana and the others alive. They would not
be controversial photos, would not be deemed “gruesome” or “tasteless” and their monetary and historical
value would endure. Of course no photographer would have known at the time that he was taking some of the
last photos of Diana alive. Still, if paparazzi were at the airport there would be photos. So, this scenario is
extremely implausible to me, still it is possible, so the investigation must continue.
Here are a couple of answers from another timeline:
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“13:34 h: They depart in a private jet. The Press informs their colleagues in Paris.
15:20 h: The aeroplane lands in Paris at the airport Le Bourget. The couple gets picked up by the
chauffeur Philippe Dourneau. Henri Paul protects the couple with an other airplane. The press chases
after them. They got rid of the press and visit the mansion Windsor.”
http://www.princessdiana.co.uk/spec...elasthours.htm
~Paul protects the couple with another airplane? Apparently he did this successfully since there are few if any
photos, but it seems that the paparazzi are on to this sort of ploy and have been for years. Surely some of
them would take in a broader view of planes landing within the time frame of the expected arrival. After all
they are notoriously difficult to shake off.
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Then we have all the reported “stress”, but Dodi and Diana should be quite used to this and while it was
bothersome it could be expected and taken in stride in most public situations.
and
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“A Mercedes limo, escorted by a Range Rover, transported Diana and Dodi from Le Bourget
airport to the Villa Windsor, which had been leased from the French government by Dodi's
father, then drove to the Al Fayed owned Ritz Hotel. That evening, the couple was driven to
Dodi's apartment, where they dressed for dinner, and returned to the Ritz. Dodi's personal
chauffeur Philippe Dourneau, drove the limo on both trips. On the latter trip, Dourneau
took the shortest route between the Ritz and the apartment. In a purported effort to elude
paparazzi, the couple left the hotel by a rear exit shortly after midnight in a Mercedes
S280 limo, en route for Dodi's apartment. The vehicle was much lighter than the previous
limo (a Mercedes 600) thus rendering it much more vulnerable than the earlier used limo
in the event of a crash, and was driven by Henri Paul, the acting Head of Security at the
Ritz. Why was Paul, who had left for the night, recalled to drive the vehicle instead of a
professional chauffeur? Unlike Dourneau, Henri Paul wasn't licensed to drive either limo.”
http://www.dianaprincessofwales.net
I cannot find much about Philippe Dourneau other than he was Dodi's personal chauffeur. ^ this is alleged to be an image of Henri Paul, it has no EXIF data
^ this is alleged to be an image of Henri Paul, it has EXIF data:
Permalink: http://www.findexif.com?l=%2FX2H%2BV Color Space sRGB Exif Image Height 260 pixels Exif Image Width 230 pixels Exif Version 2.20 Orientation Top, left side (Horizontal / normal) Software Picasa Unknown tag (0xa420)
440d42f03e003ceb70dfcf373824948a
I liked the pic of Paul in the above video. He is wearing a plaid shirt and I can't find that photo anywhere else
so far.
Henri Paul's Parents Fight Back:
http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/diana/a/aa020803a.htm
http://troedyrhiwgreenmeadow.blogsp...bygordon.html
Google translation from French:
funeral of Henri Paul in Lorient. The anniversary of the death of Princess Diana in Paris and the presence of a
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British commission of inquiry has been the opportunity to raise several questions about our compatriot Henri
Paul, a Breton Lorient born July 3, 1956, accused a too quickly to be responsible for this tragic accident
because his blood alcohol was, according to the official analysis of his blood, three times the legal rate
allowed (BAC Official 1.6 miles ). The analysis of his blood would also detected traces of Prozac, an anti
depressant. Who was Henri Paul? His father was a schoolteacher and her mother used the town hall. He had four brothers
and unmarried. He did not graduate, but developed an early taste for aviation, a sector where he also his
military service. His true passion was flying. He had his pilot's license at age 18 in Vannes......
Source : http://translate.googleusercontent.c...X2jSTyEeIPQClA
Copyright © agencebretagnepresse.com
Henri Paul is a most interesting player. He has a good, solid "back story" albeit created or made known
after the fact. He has parents who defend him. He has a job history. He has talents and interests such as
piano playing and piloting planes. Why do I question his existence? Or at least question his death?
Culto posted earlier in this thread that the serial # on the limo at the back entrance was the same as the
original limo and I think that might be the best clue yet that this accident did not happen as reported and
possibly didn't happen at all.
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@cybele: No, that documentary of 1998 is definately not related to the one I posted. I assume it was released in
2009. About the arrival at Le Bourget and their trips through Paris: it's suspicious, to say the least, that there aren't any
photos (or much better: videos) of their limo on the roads of Paris. Those 'evil' paparazzi were risking their lives on
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Yet, no photos of them while driving in Paris at all...
Trevor Rees Jones mentioned something about this in his biography. He claims that he and Kez Wingfield managed to
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It makes you wonder if they actually made those trips to Villa Windsor etc at all. That's exactly why photos of their
arrival at Le Bourget are crucial to confirm anything of the Official Story of that Saturday.
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Culto posted earlier in this thread that the serial # on the limo at the back entrance was the same as the
original limo and I think that might be the best clue yet that this accident did not happen as reported and
possibly didn't happen at all.
No, it was the licence plate number of the Mercedes 600 engraved in its own windows. The confusion was created
about where that particular photo was taken. In Trevor Rees Jones' biography it is stated twice(!) that the photo was
taken in Rue Cambon at 0.20. Which is definately not true. The photo was taken upon arrival at the front entrance of
the Ritz hotel at about 21.53. There is nothing suspicious about the photo itself, including the engraved licence plate
number on it.
The next photo of the events of Saturday would be this one:
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She just got out of the Mercedes 600 and walks toward the main entrance of the hotel:
So there are enough photos of them getting in and out of the cars, but strangely enough no photos of these cars
actually driving through the streets. Although they were allegedly followed by a large group of paparazzi throughout
the entire day.
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I was recently asked by another member to assist in tracking the down the witnesses to this whole debacle!
I began looking for a lady by the name of Marianne Chevrie. Her name appeared once in an obscure
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reference, and little else was known about her. According to the source, she had been walking home from
work and had commented on all the photographers bikes outside the Ritz. She was on the Rue Cambon, and
described how she lived 'very close'.
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Still very little is known about her..... I checked the phone listings in Paris (business and residential), the
obligatory social networking sites, and french public records. I also looked through all the major french
newspapers and french news channels applicable to the time. I checked through all the available documents
related to the inquests etc, and all lists of eye witnesses reports. The only people who I could find in the
entire world with the same name live in Canada, and have done so for generations! It then occurred to me
that this lady may well of got married, and so taken the name of her husband, in which case she would
probably never be found.
At this point I was on the verge of banning champagne from my house forever and finally allowing my cat to
run off with my beret, instead of snatching it from his jaws every time I leave the house.
I gave it one last shot and decided to look for men with the same surname in a one mile radius of the Ritz,
hoping to find a sister/aunt etc.
I actually managed to find an M. Chevry.
Marc Chevry was born in 1961 and studied creative writing and critical film analysis at university in Paris.
After he graduated he became a writer for an art house film magazine titled Cahiers du Cinema. At the time
of Diana's death in 1997, Cahiers' was listed at an address on the Rue Cambon.Marc Chevrie stayed with
Cahiers' for many years as a film critic, yet in 1990's decided to branch out and direct a film of his own.
http://www.cahiersducinema.com/
He wrote and directed a short film titled 'Les Marrionettes'.
(Marianne/Marrionette?)
In English it translates at 'The Puppets'.
By the end of 1997 Marc Chevrie had vanished. He had ceased writing for Cahiers' and had stopped all of his
freelance work. He did not publish anymore film scripts, or indeed make any more short films. By all
accounts it looked like he may well of passed away. (Except he didn't as, nerd that I am, checked the Paris
obituaries)
Moving on, Cahiers du Cinema began to suffer with falling readership and were almost declared bankrupt.
After quite a bit of uproar on the french film noir' scene, a buyer was found for the magazine thus saving it's
heritage and allowing it to continue publishing.
The buyer was 'Le Monde' group, a multi national publishing house that owns most of France's well known
newspapers.http://www.lemonde.fr/ This all took place at the start of 1998.
In 2001 Marc Chevrie made a surprise comeback. After three long years in the wilderness he bought a large
stake in the film production company 'Les Films d' ici'. He then announced that he had a new job, or more
precicely, two new jobs.
He was now a reporter for french national radio station 'Radio France'. He was also employed by Le Monde.
He was listed as journalist, and nothing else. http://sites.radiofrance.fr/francemu...d_id=425006919
In 2009, Les Monde sold Cahiers' to another art house publisher called 'Phaidon Press'.
And guess what? Marc Chevrie is apparently back on his own stomping ground and writing for Cashiers' again.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009...iersducinema
......and before I forget, he has spoken at length with Catherine Deneuve and Alain Delon....
I am fully aware that all of this probably amounts to nothing! However, I've noticed that everyone here has
been quite brave in some of the things they've posted and not been to shy to put a clue or two out there.
So I've decided to follow suit, and who knows? When everyone has no more info to post and the analysis gets
down to the nitty gritty, it may have a relevance somewhere......
.....or maybe not......
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Originally Posted by Culto @cybele: No, that documentary of 1998 is definately not related to the one I posted. I assume it was released in
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No, it was the licence plate number of the Mercedes 600 engraved in its own windows. The confusion was created
about where that particular photo was taken. In Trevor Rees Jones' biography it is stated twice(!) that the photo
was taken in Rue Cambon at 0.20. Which is definately not true. The photo was taken upon arrival at the front
entrance of the Ritz hotel at about 21.53. There is nothing suspicious about the photo itself, including the engraved
licence plate number on it.
Thanks, Culto! I did remember the top photo but didn't, and don't, see how we know it was taken at Le Bourget, or when it
was taken. All these photos are shot curiously close in. I would expect close in shots on the subjects, of course, but also shots of the
whole plane, the surrounds, the car leaving the airport etc.. I would also expect clearer, better composed shots from
professionals, some panoramic shots, maybe shots of the plane taxiing in, whatever, but something more than what we are
seeing. There is no airport sign nor other distinctive landmarks. Very little of the plane is shown. These may be exactly
what they are purported to be, or they could have been staged. Also, there certainly may be many more photos at the
airport that I am not aware of.
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About the arrival at Le Bourget and their trips through Paris: it's suspicious, to say the least, that there aren't any
their motorcyles to get those pictures, which would have been worth thousands of dollars. Yet, no photos of them while driving in Paris at all...
Yes, exactly. I do question the crappy, fuzzy, poorly composed airport photos and the general lack of the number of photos
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one might expect of their Paris stay as well as in the tunnel after the accident. One witness in the video I posted stated
there were up to 15 photographers at the scene. I have no expertise on how to prove when or where photos were taken so I
just have to live with my own uninformed skepticism.
Sorry, I misremembered the particulars about the license plate number. It is getting to be a long thread with an
overwhelming amount of information to process!
I remain quite impressed with this operation. I think it is the best hoax and the hardest to crack so far. It puts Sandy Hook
and even 9/11 to shame. Trevor Rees Jones survival, sans memory of course, was a nice touch and might be quite a big part of cracking this
mystery.
Thanks for starting this incredible journey!
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So I've decided to follow suit, and who knows? When everyone has no more info to post and the
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Exactly right, Ms. Atom! If you read the thread on what was the first moment it was realized that 9/11 was a
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Sure, it took hundreds of citizen investigators after having their moment of realization 11+ YEARS to slog
through all the information and disinformation to get to where we are now. All of that has happened as a
result of hundreds of individual moments where there was one little impossible thing that just could not be
swallowed or explained away.
As far as I know, this forum is the only place where there has been a willingness to change paradigms as new
evidence emerges and demands such a change for any objective observer otherwise it would have stayed
stubbornly stuck at jump with what turned out to be CGI pods. Yet that explanation at the time was absolutely
ground breaking because anyone who thought about it KNEW that an aluminum plane alone vs steel building
could not cause the kind of damage we were shown. This is the place where truth rules and the cards are encouraged to fall where they may no matter how
astounding the revealed pattern may seem. Never, never, never was I to be a "no planer" perish the
thought! Yet I remained curious and open enough to become exactly that.
So we never know what will crack the egg or for whom, or when. Earliest witnesses and reports are often
buried and often the most telling.
It took me 3 days to know for sure that there was something impossible about 9/11 and about 1 day for
Sandy Hook, a couple of days for Aurora and Gabby Gif. I say this with all due respect to any who did suffer
injuries or lose loved ones in any of these operations. I believe there is still more to know. For Diana my jury is still out. The whole thing smells bad and yet, so far, though I am seeing a lot of
implausibles, I have yet to see anything that's absolutely impossible about the official story.
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The press chases after them. They got rid of the press and visit the mansion Windsor.”
That evening, the couple was driven to Dodi's apartment, where they dressed for dinner, and
returned to the Ritz. Dodi's personal chauffeur Philippe Dourneau, drove the limo on both trips. On the
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Seeing that the official narrative, yeah even myth, was that Diana was being hunted by paparrazzi which was
causing no little stress for Dodi and her. it does strike one as odd why they would want to 'suffer' two extra
trips just to get changed for dinner.
It is not reported that they had been to Dodi's apartment earlier that day so presumably they had their
evening clothes with them at the Ritz, unless Diana had left some items at the apartment when they were
there on 2527th July that she desperately wanted.
It is unthinkable that Al Fayed did not maintain private suites for hospitality or unexpected visitors at his own
hotel so why did they not use one of these to get changed in??
I know the practice of women getting ready is not an exact science, more of a surreal art, but this does not
makes sense at all. Diana to me, with white jeans and a black blazer, does not look highly dressed up but more the sort of thing
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you would wear for going away on a trip than a romantic dinner to celebrate the end of a holiday together.
With the lack of photographic record of these trips in one of the world's busiest cities and paparazzi nests
did they actually happen?
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Originally Posted by Culto Lana Marks' father passed away on July 24, 1997. Early August she cancelled her planned trip to Milan
of August 2629 with Diana. On August 15 Diana went on holiday to Greece with her friend Rosa
Monckton.
According to Trevor Rees Jones' biography The Bodyguard's Story, during that holiday in Greece it
was decided that Diana and Dodi would make another cruise on the Jonikal. For 10 days, starting from
August 21. (page 49)
However, Kez Wingfield was told that this cruise would be for only 3 days (page 51.) So he was quite
surprised when he heard on the third day of this trip that it would last one week longer (page 64.)
Only on Friday, August 29, the crew and bodyguards on the Jonikal heard that they would leave for
Paris the next day, Saturday (page 73.)
This a recent interview with Lana Marks:
Princess Diana's Friend Lana Marks Says Diana Would Love Kate YouTube
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December 21,1992 Cover Story
"Separate Lives After Years of Misery, the Parting's Over, and Charles and Di Look to the Future" *
June 13, 1994
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"Taking the Heat
Di's Adrift Sunbathing Topless, Trying Holistic Healing and Exercising Her New Freedom with the Press in
Pursuit" **
March 11, 1996
"Her Future Begins"
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"PrinceLess DianaAfter 14 Years and Countless Headlines, the Princess of Wales Just Says Yes—Finally—to
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August 25, 1997
"Howdy, Dodi!"
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"Howdy, Dodi!He's Single, He's Charming, He's Very Rich. But International Playboy Dodi Al Fayed Likes to
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"Lost Princess With a Mixture of Pomp, Passion and Profound Sadness, England Lays to Rest Diana, Its Cherished Rose, as
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