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oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013
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#5 (005) oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013
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irakli VS irakli
jihadis saqme
gaxsnilia! gaxsnilia
ori iraklis grili
urTierTobis `saqmec~.
maS ase, saxeze gvaqvs
ori Zalovnis
Serkineba, romelic
saTaves jihadis
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iRebs...
yoCaR Ss saministros,
rom saqme gaxsnilia.
mquxare taSi ki mas
Semdeg, rac saqmis
detalebi gaxmaurdeba
da is sazogadoebaSi
gaCenil yvela kiTxvis
pasuxs
daakmayofilebs.
Tumca eWvi ukve Cndeba,
ratom mas Semdeg, rac
irakli alasanias,
pirdapir rom
vTqvaT, muqara
gaJRerda da
iraklim irakli
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oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013 #5 (005)
policiis saqmianobis gamarTulad warmarTvisTvis mxolod
`policiis Sesaxeb~ kanonis ganaxleba sakmarisi ar aris
salome samxaraZe
a
xalgazrda
iuristTa
asociaciam (saiam) `policiis
Sesaxeb~
kanonproeqtTan~
dakavSirebiT
sakuTari mosazrebebi
parlaments ramdenime
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ministraciuli patimrobis
ganmsazRvreli normebisa,
romlebic aSkara winaaRmdegobaSia konstituciiTa Tu
warmodgenili policielis
saqmianobis ZiriTadi principebi, magram meore sakiTxia,
realurad ramdenad moxdeba
politizebisTvis kanonproeqtSi aranairi siaxle ar
aris SemoTavazebuli. Cadebulia mxolod erTi norma,
rogorc saia-Si acxadeben,
kanonproeqti mniSvnelovan
xarvezebs Seicavs da aucilebelia muSaoba mis gamosasworeblad. konkretulad ra
ar moswons axalgazrda
iuristTa
asociacias
`policiis Sesaxeb kanonproeqtSi~, ra xarvezebi arsebobs da ra unda gakeTdes
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policiis saqmianobis gamarTulad warmarTvisTvis sakmarisi
araa
mxolod
`policiis Sesaxeb~ kanonis
ganaxleba. mniSvnelovania
`operatiul-samZebro saqmianobis Sesaxeb~ saqarTvelos
kanonis Zireuli cvlileba,
administraciul samarTaldarRvevaTa kodeqsis gadaxedva, gansakuTrebiT ki ad-
adamianis uflebaTa evropuli konvenciiT dadgenil
standartebTan. rac Seexeba
axal kanonproeqts, vfiqrob,
masTan mimarTebiT cota gazviadebulia cneba `revoluciuri~. Tumca kanonproeqtis dadebiT mxareebad SeiZleba Sefasdes is, rom masSi
kargadaa policiis struqtura Camoyalibebuli, calkea
am principebis sazogadoebaSi realizeba. rac Seexeba
kanonproeqtis xarvezebs, Sss
`policiis Sesaxeb~ kanonis
komentirebisas miuTiTebs,
rom realurad kanonproeqtis safuZvelia policiis
sruli depolitizeba da
igivea miTiTebuli ganmartebiT
baraTSic.
Tumca
vfiqrob, rom policiis de-
romelic exeba policielis
politikur neitralurobas,
Tumca policielze manamdec
vrceldeboda `sajaro samsaxuris Sesaxeb kanoni~,
romelic analogiur Canawers isedac gulisxmobs. amitom `policiis Sesaxeb~
kanonproeqtSi Cadebuli
iqneboda Tu ara es muxli,
policielis politikur nei-
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isic, rom gegma, romelic
winasaarCevnod ukve moqmed
xelisuflebas policiis depolitizebisTvis hqonda,
`policiis Sesaxeb kanonproeqtSi~ asaxuli ar aris.
aseve, saqarTvelos axalgazrda iuristTa asociaciis SeniSvnebi ukavSirdeba: Ssss politikur miukerZoeblobas; piris identifikaciasTan,
piris mowvevasa da zedapiruli Semowmeba-daTvalierebis regulirebasTan dakavSirebul problemebs; specialuri saSualebebis gradacias, maTi gamoyenebis wessa da cecxlsasroli iaraRis
gamoyenebasTan dakavSirebul
naklovanebebs; generaluri
inspeqciis uflebamosilebas;
policielebis SromiT uflebebsa da kanonproeqtSi warmodgenil sxva problematur
sakiTxebs.
opoziciis mtkicebiT,
`policiis Sesaxeb~
kanonproeqtiT kanondeba
reidebi da policiaSi
TanamSromlis miReba
konkursis wesiT
SeuZlebeli iqneba.
marTla asea?
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romlis
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aris ZiriTadi wesi sajaro
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Catardeba msgavsi tipis
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#5 (005) oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013
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irakli VS irakli
goCa mircxulava
j
ihadis saqme
gaxsnilia!
gaxsnilia ori
iraklis grili
urTierTobis
`saqmec~. maS ase,
saxeze gvaqvs
ori Zalovnis Serkineba,
romelic saTaves jihadis
videos saqmidan ar
iRebs. amaze cota qvemoT,
manamde ki yoCaR Ss
saministros, rom saqme
gaxsnilia. mquxare taSi
ki mas Semdeg, rac saqmis
detalebi gaxmaurdeba da
is sazogadoebaSi
gaCenil yvela kiTxvis
pasuxs daakmayofilebs.
Tumca eWvi ukve Cndeba,
ratom mas Semdeg, rac
irakli alasanias,
pirdapir rom vTqvaT,
muqara gaJRerda da
iraklim irakli ringze
gamoiwvia, Tanac
saerTaSoriso
partniorebis _
`arbitrebis~ arsebobac
Seaxsena: `Tuki progresi
ar iqna gamoZiebaSi,
romelsac awarmoebs
Sinagan saqmeTa
saministro, aRniSnul
saqmeSi Tavdacvis
saministrosa da misi
saerTaSoriso
partniorebis resursebi
CaerTveba~.
2:1 alasanias sasargeblod.
axla ki ori iraklis grili
urTierTobis dasawyisze. Tavis
droze, rodesac koaliciis
konturebi yalibdeboda, politikur bataliebSi jerac
gamoubrZmedeli momavali `ocnebistebi~ acxadebdnen, rom
maT alasaniac da respublikelebic sWirdebodaT da
droTa ganmavlobaSi CamoiSorebdnen. mere iyo cnobili
fraza `me ra vqna, me...~ da mere
mizani amarTlebs saSualebas.
arCevnebSi gamarjveba, alasanias vice-premieroba da politikuri vendetis dasawyisi.
`jihadis~ saqme gaxsnilia
Tumca es vendeta gamarjvebis
Semdeg ar dawyebula. aki vTqvi,
rom ivaniSvils alasania sWirdeboda, Tumca raRa dasamalia,
iraklisTvisac mniSvnelovani
iyo politikuri gamarjvebis
miRweva da, Sesabamisad, ivaniSvili sakuTari resursebiT.
Semdeg vice- premieroba da
gamocxadebuli omis qronika.
marTalia, gia xuxaSvilis
direqtivebiT nakvebi mediisa da
redaqciidan redaqciaSi xelixelCamotarebuli fulis Sede-
gad agorebuli Savi piaris maSin bevrma daijera, rom im
TviTmfrinavSi gigi ugulavas
coli ijda, isic, rom alasania
dubaiSi `nacebs~ xvdeboda. yvelas gvaxsovs `gabrazebuli~
premieri da orazrovnad
Tavmokatunebuli ministrebi _
es rogor mouvida irakliso.
magram politikaSi `klasi~
swored imas niSnavs, rac Sem-
deg moxda.
yvelas axsovs ivaniSvilis
Tavdacvis saministroSi misvla,
romlis viziti alasaniasTvis
bodiSis moxda iyo da ara jarze
zrunvis demonstrireba.
maSin ivaniSvili Seuracxyofili darCa, xuxaSvilis sqemam
bolomde rom ver imuSava. ra
SuaSia am brZolaSi RaribaSvili? sanam skandali agordeboda, misTvis xuTi wuTis saqme
iyo sazRvris gadamkveTTa siis
amoReba da `TviTmfrinavis
saqmec~ dasruldeboda. magram
es iyo ivaniSvilis gundis TamaSi sakuTar gundSive sakuTari
Tanagundelis winaaRmdeg. ufro
metic, danarCen koalicias imedi hqonda, rom alasania gadadgeboda da mas mihyvebodnen
wulukianic, petriaSvilic, fanjikiZeca da surgulaZec. amas
mohyva alasaniasTvis asineTas
miCena da argumenti, rom Tavis
gundSi momaval politikur
gegmebze konsultacias marTavda. msgavsi briyvuli argumentebi sworedac rom alasanias
wisqvilze asxamda wyals da es
sxvadasxva kvlevebiTac dadasturda.
axla alasaniaze morigi Seteva momaval premier-ministrs
ukavSirdeba. ivaniSvils premieris postze swored RaribaSvilis naxva surda, Tumca dasavleTma wiTeli aunTo. ivaniSvilma ki, Tavis mxriv, dasavleTisTvis sasurvel premier-
obis kandidats irakli alasanias aunTo wiTeli.
alasania mainc dums da is
wyobidan ver gamohyavT.
swored am viTarebaSi acxadebs,
rom masa da premiers Soris
aris azrTa sxvadasxvaoba, magram
kamaTis Semdeg miRebul gadawyvetilebas gundi emorCileba
da asrulebs. ambobs imasac, rom
SesaZloa, momaval ministrTa
kabinetSi ar aRmoCndes... da rac
mTavaria, man icis mizezi,
ratomac SeiZleba moxdes es da
vin dgas am `survilis~ ukan Tu
win. Sesabamisad, is, faqtobrivad, testirebas utarebs irakli RaribaSvils jihadis
videoze.
kaxa kaxiSvili:
`saintereso iqneba ra komentars gaakeTebs Ss saministro~
`am informaciis sazogadoebisTvis miwodeba aucilebeli iyo~
giorgi xuxia
`premiers~ eqsperti kaxi kaxiSvili esaubra:
imis gaTvaliswinebiT, rom aRniSnuli kadrebis
gavrceleba pirdapir kavSirSi iyo Tavdacvis
saministros mosamsaxureebis usafrTxoebasTan, Tu
saqme erTi Tvis gamoZiebulia, ratom ar Cayena Sssm Tavdacvis saministro saqmis kursSi?
ar vici, ra donezea gaxsnili, yvelaferia ukve amowuruli
da mTlianad yvelaa pasuxisgebaSi micemuli, vinc amis ukan
idga, da saerTod, ra doziTaa saqme gaxsnili, amis Sesaxeb informacia ar maqvs. es is
saqme iyo, romlis mimarTac sazogadoebaSi interesi maRali
iyo da amitom, Cemi azriT,
kargi iqneboda, sazogadoebas
hqonoda
informacia
im
doziT, ra doziTac SesaZlebeli iyo, rom Sss-s informacia gaevrcelebina. yovel
SemTxvevaSi, is, rom dadgenilia pasuxisgebaSi micemuli piri
da mas aRkveTis RonisZiebis
saxiT patimroba miesaja, am informaciis sazogadoebisTvis
miwodeba, Cemi azriT, aucilebeli iyo. saintereso iqneba, ra
komentars gaakeTebs Sinagan saqmeTa saministro.
Tavdacvis saministros aravin uSlida xels, rom Tundac
eTanamSromla Sinagan saqmeTa
saministrosTan am kuTxiT. meore mxriv, axla me rom mkiTxoT, albaT, Tavdacvis ministrsac gamoZiebis mimdinareobis Taobaze, oficialurad da
ara kuluarulad, unda ekiTxa
Sinagan
saqmeTa
saministrosTvis da Tavdacvis saministrosac aqvs uwyebebi, romelTa kompetenciaSic Sedis sakuTari interesebidan gamomdinare, Tavdacvisunarianobis
interesebidan gamomdinare am
saqmis kontroli. ase rom,
CemTvis gaugebaria, rodesac
mTavrobis wevrebi erTmaneTisgan informaciis miRebasa da
erTmaneTTan saubars teleekranebidan arCeven da ara _
mTavrobis sxdomaze.
rac Seexeba irakli alasanias gancxadebas, swored
misi am gancxadebis Semdeg moxda Sss-s mier
informaciis gavrceleba, rom saqme gamoZiebulia...
xom ar fiqrobT, rom am faqtiT Zalovan
ministrebs Soris arsebuli dapirispireba Ria
gaxda?
es sakiTxi mTavrobis sxdomaze ministrebs erTmaneTSi rom
ganexilaT da ara _ satelevizio eTeriT, vfiqrob, ukeTesi
iqneboda.
me vfiqrob, sjobia, mTavrobis wevrebi Sejerdnen da teleSouebis formatSi ar arkvion erTmaneTTan saqmeebi.
Tavdacvis ministris mier
gakeTebuli gancxadebidan meore dRes mTavrobis sxdomidan
gamosulma irakli RaribaSvilma Jurnalistebs miaZaxa, saqme
gaxsniliao.
ratom irakli alasanias mier
gakeTebuli gancxadebis Semdeg? an ras niSnavda gancxadeba: sjobda, alasanias es yvelaferi kolega ministrTan
gadaemowmebina, vidre gancxadebas gaakeTebda. es faqti kidev
erTxel metyvelebs im moaruli xmebis marTebulobaze, rom
`ocnebaSi~ _ politikuri
bakqanalia, mTavrobaSi ki ZalovanTa Widilia.
saqmis gaxsnis Sesaxeb informaciis gavrcelebidan ramdenime saaTSi, sazogadoebaSi ukve
gaCnda miTqma-moTqma: risTvis
dasWirda Sss-s erTi Tve imisTvis, rom es ambavi daemala?
da kiTxvis damsmelebma Tavadve
daiwyes masze pasuxis gacema, _
imisTvis xom ara, rom droTa
ganmavlobaSi gviTxran, videos
gamavrcelebeli Seuracxadia
da arc ki axsovs, vin misca
videofiri gasavrceleblado.
TbilisSi xom ukve didi xania,
videos damzadebis SemkveTsac
da SekveTis Sesrulebis adgilsac Riad asaxeleben.
alasanias gancxadebis Semdeg
saqmis gaxsnam, SesaZloa, ufro
meti eWvebic gaaCinos. ar aris
gamoricxuli, rom Tavdacvis
ministrma dasavleli kolegebi
realurad Seawuxos da federalurma sagamoZiebo samsaxurma, centralurma sadazvervo
uwyebam da pentagonis Sesabamisma samsaxurebma alternatiuli gamoZiebac Caataron.
e.w. jihadis videos ukavSirdeba erTi metad mniSvnelovani
faqti, romelic aseve adasturebs alasaniasa da RaribaSvils Soris arsebul `gril~
urTierTobas. konkretulad ki
irakli alasanias mier SeTavazebul daxmarebaze Ss ministris
pasuxi, romelmac lamis `TuTaSxiaseuli~ fraza warmoTqva: `me
aravis saqmianobaSi ar verevi da
nurc CemsaSi nuravin Caereva~.
erTi sityviT, `Wirma~ Tavi
koaliciaSic ver damala. is,
rasac premieri koaliciaSi azrTa sxvadasxvaobas uwodebda,
sxva realoba aRmoCnda. aravin
icis, ra realoba iqneba dapirebul `did xuTSabaTs~, roca
jihadis videos saqmis detalebi sazogadoebas unda gaacnon.
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oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013 #5 (005)
sinamdvileSi ratom Seaqo ivaniSvilma adeiSvili
risi SeeSinda ivaniSvils?
gega silagava
s
aqarTvelos
iusticiis
yofili
ministri,
ungreTis
iusticiis
ministris yofili
mrCeveli da amJamad
ungreTis prezidentis
mrCeveli zurab
adeiSvili qarTuli
mediis yuradRebis
arealSi, arc meti, arc
naklebi, premierministrma biZina
ivaniSvilma moaqcia.
arc 2012 wlis 1-el oqtombramde da arc mas Semdeg
ivaniSvils `hari poter-
isTvis~ esoden didi yuradReba arasodes dauTmia.
amas Turme obieqturi mizezi
hqonia, rac arc aris gasakviri. ivaniSvils axasiaTebs
personebisa da movlenebis
ignorireba, viTomc isini
arc ki arsebobdnen. magram
am SemTxvevaSi `Wirma Tavi ver
damala~...
`maxsovs, rodesac merabiSvilsac da saakaSvilsac vxvdebodi, merabiSvili, Cemda
gasaocrad, iseT ekonomikur
terminebs ambobda, gaocebas
ver vmalavdi. saidan? _ vekiTxebodi da meubneboda,
adeiSvilia Cemi maswavlebelio. iqidan moyolebuli
sul mainteresebda es adamiani, magram misi gacnoba ver
movaswari~, _ brZana premierministrma eqspertebTan Sexvedris dros.
yvelas axsovs ivaniSvilis
pirveli werilebi da diTirambebi `karg menejer~ vanos?
mere araerTgzis gakeTebuli
komentarebi gonieri merabiSvilis Sesaxeb? axla ase davsvaT sakiTxi, im werilebSi
adeiSvili ratom ar figurirebda arsad? daWeris
Semdgom lamis erT uniWo
klerks rom Seadara ivaniSvilma merabiSvili, esec xom
gaxsovT? magram aq is pirve-
li qebaa mTavari, Torem waqceulisTvis wixlis Cazela da
damcireba qarTvelebis ukurnebeli senia.
da mainc, ratom gaixsena
ivaniSvilma adeiSvili? ara,
mas sulac ar gaxsenebia is
eqspertTa Sexvedraze, anu
ise ra ar wamoscdenia misi
saxeli da diTirambebi. adeiSvili mTavrobaSi cota
adre gaaxsendaT da erTi-ori
`smeSnoi~ sityvac Tqves masze.
es ambavi adeiSvils buqarestSi Cautanes, ris Semdegac
man ivaniSvils aseTi ram SemouTvala: `yvelafers gavakeTeb imisTvis, rom gamxilo
da danarCeni cxovreba minimum WorvilaSi gagatarebino.
icode, Zalian male evropaSi
fexs ver Semodgamo~. marTa-
lia, safrangeTis moqalaqe
biZina ivaniSvils es, erTi
SexedviT, sasacilod ar eyo
da roca ambis momtans `CaekiTxa~, – `amas rogor
apirebs netav?~, ai, maSin
uTxres mas adeiSvilis danabarebi, ramdenime momRimare
`smailiT~ gajerebuli, `smeSnoi~ sityva. mere? mere Tavadac ixileT da moismineT
yvelaferi _ `saubedurod,
igive adeiSvilze, kargad maxsovs, merabiSvili rom meubneboda, Sedi erTi magis saxlSi, rogor parketSi cxovrobs da Zveli, pirveli
Taobis mobilur telefons
xmarobso da arafris gagoneba da gakareba ar unda~.
ise, rom icodeT, pirveli
Taobis mobiluris garda, sxva
samsaxurebrivi mobiluric
hqonda zura adeiSvils. minimum oficialuri Sexvedrebis
lanCebze, mag telefons jibidan ver amoiRebda, qveynis
imijis sazianod. magram is,
pirveli Taobis telefoni,
imisTvis sWirdeboda, rom misi
saubrebisTvis ar esminaT.
Torem mas rom usmendnen, usmenen da angariSsac uweven, es
ivaniSvilmac daadastura.
codva gamxelili sjobs
da ivaniSvilisa da, zogadad,
`ZlierTa ama qveynisaTa~ qeba
xSirad rogor mTavrdeba,
merabiSvilis magaliTzec
Cans. magram, Tu ivaniSvils
daejereba, zuras vanosTvis
xeze asvla ar uswavlebia da
albaT, amitomac aris is
ufro saSiSi oligarqisTvis.
ra daaanonsa irakli alasaniam?
mamuka areSiZe:
CemTvis gaugebaria, rogor unda
ifunqcioniros partia `qarTulma ocnebam~
giorgi xuxia
irakli alasaniam inga
grigolias gadacemaSi
koalicia `qarTuli ocnebis~
saprezidento kandidatad
mis nacvlad SedarebiT
naklebad cnobadi da
dabalreitinguli
kandidaturis _ giorgi
margvelaSvilis dasaxeleba
Seafasa da aRniSna, rom
margvelaSvili biZina
ivaniSvilis mier wardgenili
kandidati iyo. `ivaniSvili ki
qarTul sazogadoebaSi
maRali legitimaciis mqone
politikuri figuraa, amitom
vinc ar unda daesaxelebina
mas Tavisi gundis
saprezidento kandidatad, es
yvelasTvis misaRebi unda
yofiliyo~. ras niSnavda
irakli alasanias gancxadeba
da iyo Tu ara es
koaliciaSi arsebuli
uTanxmoebis gacxadeba da
amave koaliciis daSlis
anonsi? am sakiTxze `pemieri~
mamuka areSiZes daukavSirda.
diplomatiuri gancxadebaa calsaxad. gamikvirda, rom alasaniam
garkveulwilad aqcenti gaakeTa
gaugebrobaze masa da Sinagan saqmeTa ministrs Soris... alasania diplomatia da misi pasuxic, Sesabamisad, diplomatiuria. man aseTi diplomatiuri gancxadeba gaakeTa da aRniSna,
rom
ivaniSvilis
gancxadeba koaliciis
wevrebisTvis misaRebia. rasakvirvelia, es
ar aris damaxasiaTebeli im qveynisTvis,
romelsac demokratiulobaze pretenzia
aqvs. wina da imis wina
mTavrobaSic ase iyo
da, albaT, unda movides dro, rodesac sazogadoebam
unda
gadawyvitos, vin unda
iyos misi xelmZRvaneli, Tundac iseTi
SezRuduli uflebebiT, rogoric axal
prezidents eqneba.
alasaniam amave
gadacemaSi ganacxada, rom
misTvis ucnobia, iqneba Tu
ara saprezidento arCevnebis
Semdgom axal mTavrobaSi.
rogor fiqrobT, unda
velodeT Tu ara alasanias
damoukidebeli politikosis
rangSi?
arafers gamovricxav. roca vambob,
rom koalicia daiSleba, zogierTi
Cemi oponenti isterikaSi vardeba.
rasakvirvelia, situaciidan gamomdinarea yvelaferi da SeiZleba
asec moxdes da isec. yvela gansxvavebul yuradRebas vaqcevT, rom
biZina ivaniSvili midis premieris
postidan, magram is ara marto am
postidan, aramed partiidanac midis _ `qarTuli ocnebis~ Tavmjdomareobis postidan gadadgeba.
amis Semdeg CemTvis gaugebaria,
rogor unda ifunqcioniros partia `qarTulma ocnebam~. raki es
rTuli warmosadgenia, amitom
arCevnebis Semdeg politikur
sivrceSi garkveul cvlilebebs
velodebi. ar aris gamoricxuli,
rom koaliciis zog wevrs sakuTari
TamaSis wesebiT moundes TamaSi. ar
aris gamoricxuli, rom koalicias
gaemijnon. oponentebi metyvian, rom
koaliciis wevrebisTvis absoluturad wamgebiania adgilobrivi
arCevnebis win aseTi nabijebis gadadgma, magram, magaliTad, Tu alasanias wonis politikurma figuram
dainaxa, rom mas damoukideblad
SeuZlia miaRwios Sedegs, ratom ar
SeiZleba iyaros kenWi Tbilisis
meris arCevnebze?! Tu man dainaxa,
rom Sedegis damoukideblad miRweva SeuZlia, es gamoricxuli araa.
ase rom, koaliciis wevrebma, visac
sxvebze meti politikuri wona aqvT,
SeiZleba gadadgan damoukidebeli
nabijebi, miT umetes maSin, rodesac ivaniSvili koaliciis wevri ar
iqneba.
premieri
#5 (005) oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013
5
nikoloz vaSakiZe:
`premier-ministri cdilobs,
`gagebiT moekidos~
okupantis ugvano saqciels~
lad Caataron es olimpiada da masSi monawileobasac miviRebT~.
aleqsi nozaZe
r
useTi saqarTvelos teritoriis
okupacias agrZelebs. xelisufleba dabneulia
da urTierTgamomricxav komentarebs akeTebs.
premier-ministrma isic ganacxada, rom
`rac vici formalurad
da
araformalurad,
mavTulxlarTebis
gabma
ukavSirdeba olimpiadas.
mTeli
ruseTi
gadayolilia am Temas, rom
mSvidobianad
rogorme
Caataros olimpiada. Cven,
Cveni mxriv, maqsimalurad
gaxsnilad, yvelafers vakeTebT, rom es pirobebi
SevuqmnaT da maqsimalurad davexmaroT... Cven
yvelafers gavakeTebT imisTvis, rom maT Rirseu-
ivaniSvili procesisadmi
gagebiT `mokidebas~ moiTxovs, xolo im sam ojaxs,
romelic `axali sazRvris~
miRma rCeba, daxmarebas
sTavazobs. saxelmwifo ministri reintegraciis sakiTxebSi paata zaqareiSvili `axali realobis~ pirobebSi
daaxloebiT 150 heqtari miwis mitacebas ruseTis mxridan statistikur WrilSi
ganixilavs da acxadebs, rom
`aTasobiT adamians Seexo
okupacia
2008
wlidan
moyolebuli da axla exeba aTobiT adamians~. ra
unda gaakeTos am pirobebSi
saqarTvelos xelisuflebam,
sazogadoebam da saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobam? am
kiTxvebs saqarTvelos sagareo saqmeTa ministris yofili
moadgile, IVERIA, BIZ-is erTerTi damfuZnebeli nikoloz
vaSakiZe pasuxobs:
ruseTi agrZelebs
saqarTvelos
teritoriebis aneqsias.
xelisufleba dabneulad
gamoiyureba da sakmaod
aradamaimedebeli
komentari keTdeba _
`oms xom ar
daviwyebTo?~ am kiTxvas
agebeben mTavrobisa da
umravlesobis wevrebi
sazogadoebas.
realurad, marTlac ar
unda dagvaviwydes, rom
meore mxares ruseTi
dgas. ra unda gaakeTos
xelisuflebam aseT
viTarebaSi?
arguments `oms xom ar daviwyebT?~ kidev rogorRac miiRebs qarTuli sazogadoeba.
gasagebia, rom am viTarebaSi
TiTqmis erTaderTi berketi,
rac gagvaCnia, saerTaSoriso
Zalisxmevaa. samagierod, absoluturad gaugebaria premieris mier eqspertebTan Sexvedraze gamoTqmuli mo-
sazreba imis Sesaxeb, rom es
yvelaferi olimpiadis usafrTxoebis uzrunvelsayofad keTdeba. Tavi rom gavaneboT imas, rom es mosazreba TavisTavad alogikuri da
ususuria, is pirdapiri
zianis momtania Cveni interesebisTvis, Tundac swored
saerTaSoriso Zalisxmevis
mobilizaciis saqmeSi. gamodis, rom im qveynis premierministri, romelic yvelaze
ufro did aRSfoTebas unda
gamoxatavdes am unamuso
qmedebebis mimarT, cdilobs,
`gagebiT moekidos~ okupantis am ugvano saqciels da
putinis apologias sTavazobs
saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobas.
Tundac 2012 wlis
`sarkozi-medvedevis~
eqvspunqtiani gegmis
farglebSi, aqvs Tu ara
saerTaSoriso
sazogadoebas
saqarTvelos `mcocav
okupaciaze~ reagirebis
pasuxismgebloba?
ara mxolod 2012 wlis 6-punqtiani gegmis mixedviT,
aramed gaeros qartiisa da
helsinkis daskvniTi aqtisa
da mravali sxva saerTaSoriso-samarTlebrivi dokumentis mixedviT, magram am
procesSi iniciativa qarTul
mxares unda ekuTvnodes da
maSin agvyvebian sxvebic. Sesabamisad, gaugebar da madezorientirebel mesijebs ar
unda vugzavnideT saerTa-
Soriso Tanamegobrobas.
Jurnalistebis mier
dvanSi mowyobil aqcias
TviT batoni karasinic
gamoexmaura da
`gagvafrTxila~, rom
provokacias vawyobdiT.
zogadad, ramdenad
sasargebloa samoqalaqo
protesti aseT dros?
CemTvis im adamianebis
grZnobebi, vinc saokupacio
xazTan protestis gamosaxatavad mividnen, ra Tqma unda,
gasagebia. Tumca, Tu raRacas
gansakuTrebulsa da qmediTs
ver axerxeb, sjobs, Tavi
Seikavo. miuxedavad amisa, Jurnalistebis aqcia mainc
swor politikur gzavnilebze iyo agebuli.
okupacia wiwmatiTa da qinZiT ar gvardeba
`
olimpiada da masSi
monawileobasac miviRebT .
gega silagava
`
axali, samwuxarod,
araferi ar xdeba. axalia
mxolod da mxolod is,
rom met adamians exeba es
okupacia, esaa problema,
Torem aTasobiT adamians
Seexo okupacia 2008 wlidan
moyolebuli da axla exeba
aTobiT adamians.
`
es komentari reintegraciis sakiTxebSi saxelmwifo ministrma paata zaqareiSvilma dvanSi mimdinare procesebs `uZRvna~. zaqareiSvils arc imis
Tqma daviwyebia, `saqarTvelos miRebuli aqvs gadawyvetileba, rom monawileoba miiRos soWis olimpiur
TamaSebSi~. swored soWis olimpiadis
usafrTxoebis konteqstSi `mimoixila~
eqspertebTan Sexvedrisas dvanis `movlenebi~ premier-ministrmac:
`
mavTulxlarTebis gabma
ukavSirdeba olimpiadas.
mTeli ruseTi gadayolilia
am Temas, rom rogorme
mSvidobianad Caataros
olimpiada. Cven, Cveni mxriv,
maqsimalurad gaxsnilad,
yvelafers vakeTebT, rom es
pirobebi SevuqmnaT da
maqsimalurad davexmaroT...
Cven yvelafers gavakeTebT
imisTvis, rom maT
Rirseulad Caataron es
mokled, `gagebiT vekidebiT~ ruseTis usafrTxoebas Cveni teritoriebis xarjze. ucnobia, ramden medals
gegmavs soWSi zamTris olimpiadaze
qarTvelebisTvis batoni zaqareiSvili,
magram amjerad saintereso isaa, an
Tavad, an premieri gagebiT Tu
moekideben, ruseTma maT `zalaSi~, rom
gaabas mavTulxlarTebi?
aravin iTxovs oms da aravin eubneba xelisuflebas, midi da yurebi aaxie rus jariskacs, romelic kremlis
brZanebas asrulebso. sazogadoeba
saTanado saerTaSoriso da gnebavT,
Sida politikur aqtivobas moiTxovs,
rom igrZnos _ xelisufleba ar egueba mimdinare procesebs, ar
gularxeinobs,
wina
xazze dgas sakuTari
Tanamoqalaqeebis mxardamxar.
* * *
dvanSi
mekariSvilebma, maxaWaSvilebma
da koraSvilebma sakuTari saxlebi dacales
da daSales. aba, warmoidgineT, ras niSnavs
es, daangrio saxli, sadac gaizarde, fexi aidgi, Seni Svilebis dabadeba izeime, saidanac
saukuno sasufevelSi
gaacile usayvarlesi adamianebi. metyviT, rom
adamianebi saxlebs yidian da sxvagan gadadian
sacxovreblad? ra gipasuxoT amaze, imis garda,
rom enas Zvali ar aqvs,
da garewroba 24-saaTiani
mdgomareobaa.
vin varT Cven, ra saxelmwifo varT da ra sazogadoeba, romelsac
aranairi solidaroba ar
SegviZlia gamorCenis
gareSe? ratom arseboben CvenSi jgufebi,
romlebmac unda gansazRvron, vis aqvs
protestis gamoxatvisa Tu aqciis gamarTvis ufleba? ra vali marTebs aseTi sazogadoebas calkeuli personebis, romlebsac medidurad SeuZliaT
sxvebs uTxran: `maSin sad iyavi?~. an,
ra mniSvneloba aqvs 150 heqtariT met
miwas SemoiRobaven rusebi da separatistebi TavianTTvis, Tu ufro mets?
mere ra, rom erT RameSi SeiZleba
dakargo yvelaferi,
rasac mTeli cxovreba qmnidi? mere
ra, rom garTmeven
saflavebs, salocavebs, bavSvobas,
ymawvilkacobas, siWarmages, siberes da
bolos da bolos,
mSvidi gardacvalebis uflebas?
obas, TiTqosda hokeiSi an samTo-saTxilamuro slalomSi potenciuri Cempionebi gvyavdes da qarTuli delegaciis soWSi aryofnas saerTod vinme
SeamCnevda msoflioSi.
es yovelive putins sasacilodac
ar hyofnis. is xedavs, rom ivaniSvils
surs, moskovTan urTierTobaSi yvelaferi Secvalos ise, rom araferic
ar Secvalos! nuTu, marTla hgonia
* * *
ras gvimtkicebs
xelisufleba, rom
dvanis 150 heqtaria
saWiro
ruseTis
olimpiadis
usafrTxod Casatareblad?
`
Cven yvelafers vakeTebT.
ra unda gveqna? omi
dagvewyo?
`
brZana premier-ministrma. ara, batono biZina, omi ki ar unda dagewyoT... aki vTqviT adrec _ xom TiTqos
SevarbileT ritorika, mzada varT,
rusebs qarTuli Rvino davalevinoT
(TiTqos Rvinis an limonaTis naklebobas ganicdis rusuli bazari) da soWis olimpiadaSic ki viRebT monawile-
vinmes, rom problema miSas ritorikam
Seqmna? an iman, rom TiTqos putins
`liliputini~ uwoda?~
iluzorulma warmodgenebma da xelisuflebis `umyaresma~ logikam ruseTTan mimarTebaSi fiasko ganicada.
`
politikuri sakiTxebi
wiwmatiT ar gvardeba da arc
`gawiwmatebuli~ gamarjvebis
sadRegrZeloTi.
`
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premieri
axali ambebi
socialurad
daucvelebma piri
amoikeres
yofili rkinigzis samSobiaros SenobaSi mcxovrebma
oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013 #5 (005)
`amas aucileblad
mohyveba revolucia~
ivaniSvilis
politologebTan
sakmaod mkacri Sexvedra
aqamde ar SegifasebiaT.
iqneb es `premierTan~
eqskluziurad gaakeToT?!
Tanac politologebs
batonma biZinam uTxra,
sofel dicTan da
dvanTan mcocavi
saokupacio zoli imis
Sedegia, rom ruseTi
olimpiadisTvis
emzadebao. simarTle
giTxraT, mizezis arsi
bolomde ver gavige. am
Sexvedris mTeli `eSxi~
ki is iyo, rom
premierma, saakaSvilis
mTavari prokurori,
yofili ruxi kardinali
zurab adeiSvili aqo da
adida. amis axsnasac Tu
moayolebT, kargi iqneba.
anka bazeraSvili
socialurad daucvelma
orma pirma piri amoikera.
daucvelebi saxelmwifosgan sacxovrebeli farTis
dakanonebas an sxva adgilze
gadayvanas iTxoven, winaaRmdeg
SemTxvevaSi
xval
saarCevno komisiis karis
aWedviT imuqrebian.
saparlamento
umciresoba
xelisufleba
ruseTTan daTmobis
politikaSi
adanaSaulebs
saparlamento umciresoba
xelisufleba ruseTTan daTmobis politikaSi adanaSaulebs da acxadebs, rom
amiT saqarTvelos ekonomika
ziandeba. goka gabaSvili
ruseTs saqarTvelosTvis
problemebis SeqmnaSi adanaSaulebs. misi TqmiT, ruseTi
amas yovelTvis embargos
gziT axerxebda.
,,unda moveSvaT im legendaze saubars, romelsac saerTo araferi aqvs realobasTan. saubaria ruseTTan
embargos moxsnaze. romelTan mimarTebaSi saqarTvelom
Sesabamisi nabijebi unda gadadgas. kargad mogexsenebaT,
rom ZiriTadi saeqsporto
monacemebiT romliTac ruseTi cdilobda saqarTvelos
dablokvas
ar
gamouvida.ruseTs yovelTvis
surda saqarTvelosTvis
problemebis Seqmna da politikur berketad embargos
Temas iyenebda. Tumca ar
gamouvida. dRes ki Cven ruseTTan garkveul daTmobebze
mivdivarT.es TavisTavad
saqarTvelos ekonomikazec
aisaxeba da safrTxes uqmnis
mas”, - ganacxada umciresobis
deputatma goka gabaSvilma.
axali ambebi
winasaarCevno formatiT,
qarTveli leiboristebis
mama-marCenali Salva
naTelaSvili
saqarTvelos sxvadasxva
kuTxeebSi mogzaurobs.
misi gamoWera da
mimdinare movlenebze
saubari, `premierma~
SuaRamisas, magram mainc
SeZlo.
Salva naTelaSvili:
aWara, guria, samegrelo, samcxe-javaxeTi sofel-sofel
moviare, vagrZeleb xalxTan
Sexvedrebs qarTlSi, kaxeTSi,
qvemo qarTlSi, mcxeTamTianeTSi. yvela adamians
Sevxvdebi. arc reklama maqvs,
arc baneri, arc dafinanseba,
magram arCevnebs mainc movigeb da msoflio gancvifrdeba, roca naxavs, rom
Turme SeiZleba, saqarTveloSi arCevnebi ufulodac moigo.
gatyobT, ukve Zalian
xarT gabrazebuli... isev
xalxze brazobT, Tu
saakaSvil-ivaniSvilze?
CavatareT gamokiTxva da
dReis mdgomareobiT, meore
turi garantirebuli gvaqvs.
saqarTveloSi socialur
gamokiTxvebs vinc atarebs,
vinc procentebs gviyalbebs,
es ar aris kompaniebi, eseni
ki namdvilad vici, yvela namusgarecxilia.
Sexvedrebze xalxi ras
geubnebaT, xma
leiboristebs unda
mogceTo da ivaniSvili
aRar gvindao?! Tqven
biT, axla ivaniSvilze. mpirdebian, rom axla aucileblad
damiWeren mxars. amas meubneba im adamianebis 80 procenti, visac vxvdebi. imereTis
erT-erT sofelSi ki, saakaSvilTan erTad, ivaniSvilis
adeiSvils magis advokatobaRa aklda. amitomac vambobdi yovelTvis, es aris erTi
banda da organizebuli
jgufi-meTqi. rac Seexeba
eqspertebisa da politologebis Wkuis darigebas,
aqedan is Cans, rom am adamianisTvis gansxvavebuli azri,
miT ufro oponireba, saerTod miuRebelia. maxsovs,
sanam Crdilidan gamovidoda,
erTxel `aliam~ gaakritika
`saakaSvilTan erTad momTxoves
ivaniSvilis dapatimrebac~
Cems xalxze me arasdros
vbrazobdi. ubralod, mwyinda, radgan maTTvis vlaparakobdi da sapirispirod iqceodnen. axla mixvdnen, rom
simarTles vambobdi. sakuTari ZalebiT kidev erTxel
arian kriminaluri organizaciebi, romlebic fuls gamokiTxvebis urcxvi gayalbebiT
Souloben. asea amdeni xani,
rac politikaSi var. saidan
modis es xalxi, vin aCens, vin
amzadebs, veRar gavige. erTi
garda, prezidentobis
kidev uamravi kandidatia
da isinic ar undaT, Tu
ra xdeba?!
diax, bevri meubneba, rom
Secdnen, roca ar damijeres
jer saakaSvilTan dakavSire-
dapatimrebac momTxoves. es
iciT?! ase daagdo 9 TveSi
ivaniSvilma saukeTeso reitingi, romlis aRdgenasac veravin SeZlebs.
premier-ministr
da amis gamo `alias~ salanZRavad
wigni
gamosca,
romelsac sakuTari xeliT
arigebda. aseTi ram ar
gaukeTebia arc erT oligarqsa da politikoss. eqsperti
imisaa, raRacas ase dainaxavs
premieri
#5 (005) oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013
da raRacas _ ise. politikuri lideris mier amis
ganxilva dauSvebelia, yvelaferSi gamorCeuli eri
varT da esec gamorCeuli
Segvxvda. am xalxis xelSi,
saqarTvelos kargi araferi
eRirseba.
`
miliarderi
Caalagebs Tavis
bargibarxanas da wava.
qveynis xelmZRvanelad
ki Seecdeba, xelisbiWebi
datovos, romelTac
Tavisi ucnauri
miTiTebebiT
uxelmZRvanelebs. es
aris saakaSvilze uaresi,
Tundac imitom, rom is
gaxlavT saakaSvilis
Semqmneli. mas rom ar
daefinansebina `vardebis
revolucia~, saakaSvili
ver iqneboda
saqarTvelos
`
prezidenti.
mas rom ar daefinansebina
specrazmebi, Cven veravin
dagvarbevda; rom ar gadaexada fuli saakaSvilisTvis
omis mzadebaSi, cxinvalis
avantiura ar iqneboda. Sesabamisad, mas eSinia pasuxismgeblobis. yvelanairad cdi-
saiT miveqanebiT?! amas hqvia
`gza arsaiT~. ivaniSvilma
saarCevnod, sxvadasxva manipulirebebiT, 2 miliardic
iSova da metic, axla aiRebs
Cemodnebs da wava. fuli gaakeTa CveniT, TiTqos aklda.
aucileblad wava, radgan
icis, rom mas mosTxoven dapirebebis Sesrulebas. is ki
arafris Sesrulebas, xarjebis gaRebas ar apirebs.
saqarTveloSi datovebs erTgul ymebs da es ar unda
dauSvas xalxma.
airCevs.
raki omi axseneT, amitom
gkiTxavT, ramdenime
dRis win ruseTis
TviTmfrinavma daarRvia
tebi rusebs Robis iqiT, gvaqvs saqmis garCevebi da xelebis gadagrexa, ra Tqma unda,
kulturul formebSi. amiT
vaCveneb premiers, prezi-
xalxi jer kiTxvebs
svams, magram ase ar
msjelobs...
ras ambobT, isini ukve yvelafers xvdebian. masze
gabrazebulebi rom arian,
amitom momTxoves ivaniSvilis dapatimreba, saakaSvilTan erTad. xuTi Tvis win aseTi ramis warmodgenac ar
SemeZlo.
`
saqarTvelos
prezidentad giorgi
margvelaSvilis mosvla
rogor SeiZleba?! amas
aucileblad mohyveba
revolucia. piradad
davuZaxeb xalxs
`
quCaSi.
margvelaSvils pulsic ki ar
socialur qselebSi ukve
aseTi kiTxvebi gaCnda:
`saiT miveqanebiT?!~,
`raime gveSveleba?~,
`saqarTveloSi cxovreba
aRar SeiZleba~... masiuri
nihilizmia...
esinjeba da mas qveyana endoba? is veranair sikeTes ver
moutans xalxsa da qveyanas.
amgvari politikosi qarTul
speqtrSi ar arsebobs. misi
gayvana mxolod da mxolod
didi omiT, an revoluciis
gziT, ZaliTa da tankiT SeiZleba, sxvanairad is rezidenti ver gaxdeba, aravin mas ar
axali ambebi
31-e da baTumis
batalionebi ISAF-is
-is
misiis Sesrulebas
iwyeben
saqarTvelos SeiaraRebuli Zalebis III qveiTi brigadis 31-e da baTumis calkeuli msubuqi qveiTi batalionebi avRaneTSi ukve Cavidnen.
qarTveli samxedro mosamsaxureebi ISAF-is misiis
farglebSi helmandis provinciaSi aSS-s sazRvao
qveiTebis daqvemdebarebaSi
momavali 6 Tvis ganmavlo-
saqarTvelos sazRvari.
amas saeWvod daemTxva
saakaSvilis gamosvla
gaeroSi, romelic
bevrma dadebiTad
Seafasa, Tumca me mainc
provokaciuli momeCvena.
ase saubrobda is 2008
wlis agvistos omamdec
da... gamoricxavT, rom
2008 wlis scenari
dents, politikosebs, rom iq
ar aris sasikvdilo viTareba da ar ikbinebian. vaqezeb,
rogorme iqneb Cavidnen da iq
macxovrebeli Cveni xalxi
gaguladdes, xelisuflebis
mitovebiT kidev ufro ar
daiCagron, magram veravis
veraferi Sevagnebine. gamoketilebi arian TavisTvis
SuSis akvariumebSi. rusebi da
osebic, raki ver grZnoben
saTanado
politikur
winaaRmdegobas, vertmfrensac gadmoafrenen Cvenken
da gveleSapsac. ara mgonia,
saakaSvils ruseTTan hqonoda SeTanxmebuli raime da
amitom daemTxva. es ufro
imitom xdeba, rom ivaniSvilma kremli raRac seriozulSi gadaagdo da amaze reaqcia jer mcocavi aneqsiiT,
Robis gadmoweviT gamoxata,
mere TviTmfrinavis SemofreniT. aseTi demonstraciuli gadaRobva saprezidento
arCevnebis win mxolod amaze
metyvelebs.
gulwrfelad miTxariT,
saakaSvilis gamosvla
gaeroSi marTla ar
mogewonaT?!
lobs, ar dakargos skami, sefe
sityvis statusi. ai, amas
akeTebs axla da yvelafris
Sefasebac es gaxlavT.
saqarTvelos mosaxleoba ver
aitans margvelaSvilisnair
prezidents.
7
gaimeoros da arCevnebi
CaSalos?!
gamoricxuli Cvens qveyanaSi
araferia. rac Seexeba dicsa
da dvans, mTeli zafxuli iq
yaraulad vdgavar, magram
veravin ver Cavityue _ verc
prezidenti, verc politikosebi da verc premier-ministri. me da Jurnalistebi
davrbivarT. Caval, gadavux-
sagareo politikaSi sibrZne
imiT ki ar gamoixateba, rom,
rac ici, yvelaferi Tqva.
sibrZne is aris, enas kbili
daaWiro, magram miSa ise midis prezidentobidan, es ver
iswavla. misi sefe sityvac am
suliskveTebiT iyo gaJRenTili _ rac icoda da ar
icoda, yvelaferi Tqva. amis
gamo rusebs omis dawyebis
survili namdvilad ar gauCndebaT, radgan saakaSvilisgan
maT axla raime axali ar
mousmeniaT. ruseTis amJamindeli qmedebebi ufro ivaniSvilis saqcielis pirdapirproporciulia.
zogi arCevnebis Semdeg
did areulobas
prognozirebs. ra
moxdeba, Tveni azriT?..
cxadia, arCevnebi Tqveni
gamarjvebiT Tu ar
damTavrda...
stabiluroba marTlac ar
iqneba qveyanaSi, radgan
`
prezidentoba da
margvelaSvili _ es
aris sruliad
SeuTavsebeli ram. es
mxolod da mxolod
gayalbebiT moxdeba da
gayalbebas ukve xalxi
`
ver aitans.
procesebi, diaxac rom, gayalbebisken midis. roca
saarCevno komisiebi igivea,
kvlav gayalbebuli saarCevno
siebi gvaqvs, leiboristul
partias dafinanseba Seuwyvites, ufaso saeTero dros
ar gvaZleven, kerZo bizness
amaTac aukrZales Cveni dafinanseba da ra Tqma unda,
gayalbebisken mihyavT yvelaferi.
aqamde nino burjanaZes
arasdros uTqvams,
saakaSvili da ivaniSvili
erTi gundiao. amas
mxolod Tqven
ambobdiT da aseT
gamonaTqvamebSi,
dagemowmebiT,
konkurenti karga xans ar
gyoliaT. burjanaZis
Tqvens azrze gadmosvla
ras unda mivaweroT?! es
imas xom ar niSnavs,
rom Tqveni gzebi
SeiZleba gadaikveTos,
Tu arCevnebSi
margvelaSvili
gaimarjvebs?! erTad xom
ar gixilavT Tqven mier
daanonsebul
arCevnebisSemdgom
mitingebze am or Zalas?!
ra moxdeba, amaze axla ver
vimarCieleb, magram is, rom
saakaSvili, ivaniSvili da
burjanaZe-margvelaSvili
erTi gundia, Tavs davdeb.
margvelaSvili am wuTSic
burjanaZis fondis Tavmjdomarea, ar iciT Tqven eg
ambavi?! burjanaZes ar
irigebs ivaniSvili, Torem
Tavad burjanaZe mas nebismier dros gaurigdeba. ase
rom, jerjerobiT, Cven vagrZelebT
saqarTvelos
fexdafex Semovlas ufasod,
danarCens momavali dagvanaxvebs.
baSi imsaxureben.
operaciis raionis gadabaremde, orive batalionis
piradi
Semadgenloba
amerikeli sazRvao qveiTebis da qarTveli instruqtorebis xelmZRvanelobiT
baza „lezernikze” daskvniT
swavlebas gadis. qarTvel
jariskacebs Semajamebel
wvrTnebi iseT sakiTxebSi
utardebaT, rogoricaa
TviTnakeTi asafeTqebeli
nivTierebebis sawinaaRmdego moqmedebebi, narkotikebs winaaRmdeg brZolis
meTodebi,
religiuri
Taviseburebebi, navigaciisa
CamxSobi sistemebis gamoyeneba, usafrTxoeba da brZolaSi CarTvis wesebi. qarTuli batalionebis mZRolebi
damatebiT momzadebas gadi-
an eqstremalur pirobebSi
javSanmanqana MRAP-is naRmsawinaaRmdego mowyobilobis tarebaSi.
qarTul batalionTa rotacia avRaneTSi aqtiur fazaSia. 31-e da baTumis
batalionebi 33-e da 42-e
batalionebs momavali ori
kviris ganmavlobaSi etapobrivad Caanacvleben. 31-e
batalioni misias „lezernikis” bazaze Seasrulebs. ISAFis saerTaSoriso misiaSi
monawileoba
pirvelad
swored am batalionis
samxedroebma 2010 wlis
aprilidan daiwyes. baTumis
calkeuli msubuqi qveiTi
batalioni misias amerikuli
kontingentis SemadgenlobaSi helmandis provinciaSi
ganaxorcielebs.
axali ambebi
8
premieri
axali ambebi
Tavdacvis ministri
xelisuflebis mTavar
gamowvevad sagareo
politikuri
usafrTxoebis
sakiTxebs miiCnevs
saqarTvelos Tavdacvis ministrma
JurnalistebTan
saubrisas koalicia „qarTuli
ocnebis” xelisuflebaSi mosvlis wlisTavi Seafasa. “Cveni
yvelaze fundamenturi miRweva, rac SeiZleba aRiniSnos,
aris is, rom adamiani, moqalaqe
gaTavisuflda zewolisgan,
gaTavisuflda reJimis mxridan
politikuri niSniT zewolisgan, media Tavisufalia, biznesSi konkurentuli garemo iqmneba. Tavdacvis saministroSi
mimdinare reformebze guSin
gvqonda erTwliani angariSSi
ganvixileT, rac SeiZleba damakmayofileblad da kargad
CaiTvalos” - ganacxada irakli alasaniam.
misive TqmiT, saprezidento
da Semdeg ukve adgilobrivi
TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebi
kidev ufro wingadadgmuli
nabiji iqneba demokratiis gzaze.
Tavdacvis ministri xelisuflebis mTavar gamowvevad sagareo politikuri usafrTxoebis sakiTxebs miiCnevs. irakli alasaniam imedi gamoTqva,
rom qveynis mTavroba okupaciis zolSi arsebul mTavar
gamowvevas saerTaSoriso sazogadoebis
mxardaWeriT
gaumklavdeba.
uflebadamcvelebi
cixeebSi wamebis
kadrebis
gavrcelebidan erTi
wlis Semdeg kvlevas
iwyeben
saqarTvelos iusticiis ministri Tea wulukiani uflebadamcvelebis mier cixeebSi
wamebasTan dakavSirebiT kvlevebis dawyebas miesalmeba.
rogorc wulukianma ganacxada, arasamTavrobo seqtoris
CarTulobas nebismier sferoSi, miT umetes iseT principul
sakiTxze, rogoric wamebis
akrZalvaa, mxolod da mxolod
miesalmeba.
adgilobrivi da saerTaSoriso uflebadamcvelebi
cixeebSi wamebis kadrebis gavrcelebidan erTi wlis Semdeg
kvlevas iwyeben, romelic wamebisa da araadamianuri mopyrobis faqtebs Seiswavlis. kvlevis procesSi gamoikiTxeba 1 200
msjavrdebuli, romelTagan 600
yofili patimaria.
axali ambebi
oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013 #5 (005)
`premieris mandati ar aris
memkvidreoba, rom sxvas gadasce~
gariyo. amaze, anu demokratiaze, ar wavidnen.
ana qevxiSvili
qalbatono salome,
giorgi margvelaSvilis
kandidaturas rogor
afasebT?
ratom Seicvala
mmarTveli gundis
mimarT pozicia salome
zurabiSvilma,
prezidentobis
SemTxvevaSi ra
mimarTulebiT waiyvanda
sagareo kurss, ra
prognozs akeTebs
moaxloebul
arCevnebTan
dakavSirebiT da visTan
gegmavs TanamSromlobas
am Temebze? `premiers~
Tavad salome
zurabiSvili esaubra:
axali konstituciiT, romelsac cvlilebebi gadaaqvs viTom parlamentze, magram
realurad premiersa da umravlesobaze gadadis mTeli
Zalaufleba, prezidentis
funqcia mTlianad carielia.
moralurad ki SesaZlebelia,
rom mas hqondes sakmaod
didi avtoriteti.
`
erTia sagareo
politika, raSic
margvelaSvils aranairi
gamocdileba ar gaaCnia.
rac Seexeba meores,
moralur avtoritets _
Tu rame kiTxvis niSani
qalbatono salome,
erTi wlis winaT
acxadebdiT, rom
`qarTvelma xalxma
swori arCevani gaakeTa~,
`biZina ivaniSvili is
adamiania, visac unda
vendoT~, `mas arc ngreva
da arc ruseTi ar unda~
da a.S. axla ki acxadebT,
rom `yvelaferi ise
xdeba, rogorc premiers
surs~, `erTpirovnul
mmarTvelobaSi varT~ da
sxva. ram ganapiroba
Tqveni damokidebulebis
Secvla?
biZina ivaniSvils marTlac
davuWire mxari. is iyo erTaderTi Zala, romelmac saqmis damTavreba SeZlo. politikuri sivrcidan saakaSvilis arCevnebis gziT gayvana
Cveni daumTavrebeli saqme
iyo. mjeroda, ivaniSvils ar
sWirdeboda korufcia da
fulis keTeba. arCevnebis
gziT xelisuflebis Secvla,
demokratiisa da prodasavluri kursis gamyareba _ es
principebi TiTqmis saarCevno
kampaniamde ikveTeboda. Tea
wulukiani vici, ra koncefciebiTaa aRzrdili, amitom es CemTvis iyo garantia,
rom mivdiodiT raRac axali
formis sasamarTlosken. Cemda samwuxarod, es yvelaferi
axlaxan Seicvala. samwuxarod, xSirad pirveli niSani
CemTan mimarTebaSi ikveTeba
xolme. albaT, bedi maqvs aseTi. etyoba, pirveli seriozuli testireba gavukeTe am
xelisuflebas imiT, rom
davsvi damoukidebeli kandidatura. sruliad SesaZlebeli iyo, `qarTul ocnebas~
garedan daeWira mxari,
rogorc me vedeqi gverdSi
maT kandidatebs. amasTanave,
sruliad misaRebi iqneboda,
hyolodaT sakuTari kandidatura da me vyofiliyavi
damoukidebeli kandidati.
damoukideblobis es niSani,
rogorc Cans, sakmaod miuRe-
eqneba Cvens demokratias,
Zalian Znelia,
saTqmeli Tqvas
prezidentma. amis
gamkeTebeli
margvelaSvili xasiaTiT
ar aris da verc
`
iqneba.
visTan erTad gaagrZelebs politikur
brZolas salome zurabiSvili?
belia
piradad
premierisTvis. gasagebia, rom
gundSi Semavali partiebisTvis Cemi kandidatura ar
iyo mTlad sasurveli. me
arasdros Sevdiodi farul
molaparakebebSi. kargad
vici, rac xdeboda `gaerTianebul opoziciaSi~, yvelaferi vici da amaze
Tavisuflad
SemiZlia
saubari. sazogadoebisTvis
Cemi kandidatura ufro misaRebi iyo, vidre sxva romelimesi. aman xelisuflebis
mxridan moulodneli Sedegis dadgomis gancda gamoiwvia. SeiZleboda me gavsuliyavi meore Zalad da
meore turis saWiroeba damd-
premieri
#5 (005) oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013
`
TamaSi _ ori
damniSnavis gakritikeba xom
warmoudgenelia. mTavari
problemaa is, rom mas ar aqvs
is Tvisebebi, ramac SeiZleba
sxva doneze daayenos.
sxvadasxva saerTaSoriso
organizaciebisa da
adgilobrivi mediis
gamokvlevebSi
margvelaSvilis Semdeg
daviT baqraZe da nino
burjanaZe lideroben.
arsebobs varaudi, rom
mezobeli
saxelmwifosTvis da
Sesabamisad,
xelisuflebisTvis
burjanaZe misaRebi
kandidatia. ramdenad
eTanxmebiT am
mosazrebas?
am gamokvlevebis saerTod ar
mjera. eseni pirdapir emsaxurebian arsebul xelisuflebas. es Sedegebi SeiZleba
realuri gaxadon, magram
dRevandeli mdgomareobiT
ar asaxavs realobas. baqraZis
meore adgilas dayeneba Segnebuli gadawyvetilebaa.
`
nacionaluri
moZraobis~ kandidati
xalxs aSinebs da
SesaZloa, burjanaZes
procentebi gauzardos.
xval Tu procentebSi
burjanaZe iqneba
lideri, aman SeiZleba
sxva SeaSinos da
margvelaSvils
gauzardos xmebis
raodenoba. anu aq aris
safrTxobela.
`nacionaluri moZraobisken~
dabruneba da aSkarad prorusuli burjanaZis xelSewyoba. Tumca prorusuli tendenciebi `ocnebaSi~ aSkarad
igrZnoba. es yvelaferi, albaT, imiT damTavrdeba, rom
marTlac margvelaSvili
gaimarjvebs. am gamokvlevebidan ar Cans meore Zalis
sakiTxi. biZina ivaniSvilis
mier
Cemi
politikuri
TamaSidan gayvana ufro burjanaZis win wamowevas hgavs.
axalma xelisuflebam ra
nabijebi gadadga da ra
ar gaakeTa ruseTTan
urTierTobis
daregulirebis kuTxiT?
sagareo politika gayinulia.
realurad aranairi moqmedeba ar yofila. principSi,
saqarTvelo dRes izolaciaSia. Tu ar viaqtiurebT, ise
saerTaSoriso doneze tradiciul partniorebs CvenTvis
ar scaliaT. ar vaqtiurobT,
amis niSani ki aris premieris
gaeroSi wausvleloba. arc
erTi mniSvnelovani Sexvedra
ar hqonia partniorebTan.
ruseTi amiT sargeblobs. inerciiT moqmedebs da sxvanairad verc moiqceva. xedavs, rom arsebobs susti
adgili.
SemaCerebeli
araferi ar aris, arc qveynis
SigniT da arc mis gareT. Segnebulad ar keTdeba araferi.
Cixuri mdgomareobidan gamosasvlelad ra unda gakeTdes,
Tavad ifiqron. prezidenti
rom vyofiliyavi, getyodiT.
axla Tavad moifiqron da
naxon, ra SeiZleba gakeTdes.
rogor SeafasebT biZina
ivaniSvilis gancxadebas
politikidan wasvlis
Taobaze da ramdenad
misaRebia premieris
Tanamdebobaze
dasaxelebuli
kandidatebi?
9
axali ambebi
ar unda apelirebdes, rom
winaswar gaakeTa gancxadeba
wasvlis Taobaze, amiT
keTilsindisierad iqceva.
demokratia aris raRac wesebisa da principebis erToblioba, misi erT-erTi
gamoxatuleba ki arCevnebia.
premieri aris arCeuli figura da angariSvaldebulia
sazogadoebis winaSe. rasac
dahpirda amomrCevels, is
programa unda Seasrulos.
ufro adre rom Seesrulebina, SeeZlo, Tavisuflad wasuliyo. premieris mandati
ar aris memkvidreoba, rom sxvas gadasce. rac Seexeba
dasaxelebul premierobis
SesaZlo kandidatebs, amomrCevelma Tu ar misca xma
xelisufals, is iqneba aralegitimuri. anu qmnis Zalian
sust xelisuflebas, parlamenti iqneba Tu, praqtikulad, daniSnuli prezidenti
da premieri.
`
rodesac ivaniSvili
nacvliSvilsa da
adeiSvils sxvadasxva
kuTxiT afasebs, mis
mimarT ndoba iryeva.
aseT gancxadebebs rom
akeTebs premieri, ukve
naTeli xdeba, rogori
kriteriumebiT afasebs
is adamianebs. aqedan
gamomdinare, sakmaod
bevri kiTxva meqneba mis
mier arCeuli premieris
`
garSemo.
daniSnuli
demokratia
gveqneba. me mgoni, istoriaSi
aseTi magaliTi ar arsebobs.
pirvelad
moxdeba
saqarTveloSi da Tu amiT
viamayebT, ar vici.
marTalia, arCevnebSi
kandidatad ver
monawileobT, magram,
rogorc rigiTi
amomrCeveli Tu miiRebT
monawileobas? saerTod,
Tu apirebT brZolis
gagrZelebas politikaSi?
arCenebze monawileobis
miRebas vapireb, magram arCevanis gakeTebas _ ara!.. brZolas rogor gavagrZeleb, ar
vici. erT rames getyviT, quCis aqciebis dro damTavrda,
rac arasdros yofila Cemi
forma. me yovelTvis mjeroda da axlac mjera, rom
arCevnebi aris mTavari.
dResac vxedav, ramdenad
mniSvnelovania arCevnebi da
amis uflebas rom gvarTmeven,
arCevanis ardatovebiT, amiT
Zalian didi ziani adgeba
saxelmwifoebriobas
da
swored amis winaaRmdeg vibrZoleb. rac Seexeba raime
politikur ZalasTan TanamSromlobas, aseTs jer ver
vxedav, magram imedi maqvs,
rom axali Zalebi gamoCndebian. rogorc ki davinaxav,
sad unda viyo, uTuod
getyviT.
valebulebebi,
romelic
winasaarCevnod
aviReT 2014 wlis
biujetSi srulad
gaTvaliswinebulia
finansTa ministrma nodar xadurma mTavrobis sxdomis dasrulebis Semdeg
2014 wlis biujetis prioritetebi ganmarta.
,,2014 wlis biujeti ukve
parlamentSia da sakanonmdeblo organos gansaxilvelad ukve gadaeca. Cven parlamentarebTan erTad am
sakiTxze aqtiurad daviwyebT muSaobas. TavisTavad is
socialuri valdebulebebi
rac Cven winaasarCevnod
aviRebT srulad aris
gaTvaliswinebuli biujetSi. gazrdilia mosaxleobis
jandacvis, socialuri, sapensio momsaxureba, aseve
gazrdili ganaTlebis da
soflis meurneobis uzrunvelyofa. es aris is mTavari prioritetebi razec
dafinanseba gaizarda”, _ganacxada xadurma.
zRvis dabinZurebis
faqtze, kombojis
droSiT mcuravi
mSraltvirTmzidi
gemi daakaves
Sss sasazRvro policiis
sanapiro dacvis departamentis TanamSromlebma, gatarebuli RonisZiebebis
Sedegad, baTumis portis
gare reidze, zRvis dabinZurebis faqtze, kombojis
droSiT
mcuravi
mSraltvirTmzidi
gemi
daakaves.
aRniSnuli gemis kapitans,
ruseTis
federaciis
moqalaqes,saqarTvelos administraciul samarTaldarRvevaTa kodeqsis 58-e
(prima ori) muxlis VII nawilis Sesabamisad, biujetis
sasargeblod daekisra jarima 65 000 (samocdaxuTi
aTasi) laris da garemoze
miyenebuli zianis anazRaureba 3 300 (samiaTas samasi)
laris odenobiT.
axali ambebi
10 premieri
oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013 #5 (005)
romeli ministrebi datoveben posts arCevnebis Semdeg
goCa mircxulava
araerTxel miTqvams,
rom ivaniSvili 2012
wlis 1-li oqtombris
arCevnebSi gamarjvebas ar
eloda. es misi
mesianisturi
epistoleebidanac Cans.
m
an gaafrTxila kidec
sazogadoeba, rom,
Tu gamarjvebas ver
moipovebdnen, brZola ar dasruldeboda. swored, es iyo
mizezi, rom premierma sakmaod didi xnis
ganmavlobaSi ver daasaxela ministrTa kabinetis is wevrebi,
romlebsac `ocnebis~ danapirebebis realizacia unda moexdinaT sferoebis mixedviT. mas
ar hyavda ekonomikuri gundi.
sxva rom araferi, batoni nodar
xaduri jer parlamentis safinanso-sabiujeto komitetis
Tavmjdomared daasaxela, Semdeg
ki, roca finansTa ministris
sakadro sakiTxSi gaiWeda, is ministrad waradgina. ase iyo sxva
sferoebSi, imave jandacvaSi, infrastruqturaSi, ekonomikis
saministroSi.
ivaniSvilma rac ar unda amtkicos _ arao, cxadia, rom garedan marTvas apirebs. amitom ministrTa axal kabinetSi mas sWirdeba gundi, romelic davalebebs
pirnaTlad Seasrulebs.
`
axla ar iZleva
premieri davalebebs,
rom droTa
ganmavlobaSi misken ar
gaiSviros xeli vinmem,
Torem kuluarebidan,
sadac pasuxismgebloba
nuli iqneba _ is
`
daavalebs.
marTalia, konstituciisa da
kanonis mixedviT, aravin ekiTxeba biZina ivaniSvils, vin unda
iyos qveynis momavali premierministri da arc imas, vin unda
Sevides saqarTvelos ministrTa
kabinetSi, magram, rogorc amboben, is uaxloes garemocvasTan periodulad marTavs am
Temaze konsultaciebs.
ivaniSvils ministrTa kabinetis axali Semadgenlobis ori
varianti ukve magidaze udevs.
magram es misi sia araa, mis Sedgena-Sevsebaze garemocvis sxva
gundi muSaobs, romlebsac
mrCevlebis statusebi aqvT.
rogorc `premiers~ ivaniSvilTan daaxloebulma pirma ganucxada, premieris mrCevlebi sakmaod
ostaturad muSaoben da bevrs
`fiqroben~, visi kandidatura
unda wamoayenon ama Tu im
postze.
Turme erTi sia met-naklebad dalagebulia, meores ki Sesabamisi ministrebis gaswvriv
metwilad `gadasawyvetia~ uweria, vidre konkretuli personis
gvar-saxeli.
erTaderTi,
ivaniSvilis magidaze ministrTa
kabinetis axali Semadgenlobis sia devs
`
rac naTelia,
momaval ministrTa
kabinetis arc erT
variantSi devnilTa
ministrad daviT
daraxveliZe da
sasjelaRsrulebis
ministrad sozar subari
`
aRar moiazrebian.
Tu subaris winaaRmdeg argumentebi sakmaod wonadia _ cixeebSi arsebuli gauaresebuli
mdgomareoba, `mayureblebis~
`dabruneba~ da sxva aseTi mravali faqti Tu miTqma-moTqma,
cxadia, rom devnilTa ministri
ivaniSvils mizanmimarTulad
aaTvaliswunebines. sxva rom
araferi, Tve ise gavidoda,
daraxveliZe im mediakrebsebSi
verasodes xvdeboda, romelic
dReSi samjer SeaqvT premierTan.
usayvedura kidec amis gamo premierma ministr daraxveliZes.
marTalia, am mimarTulebiT
saqme mas Semdeg `gamosworda~,
rac yandiaSvilma devnilTa
saministroSi `odeerad~ Tavisi
yofili prodiuseri daaniSvnina,
magram im droisTvis daraxveliZis sakiTxi ivaniSvils ukve
gadawyvetili hqonda.
samwuxarod, premieri verc ki
xvdeba, rogor manipulireben
misiT. mrCevlebma samomavlod,
devnilTa ministris `vakantur~
Tanamdebobaze am dromde
`kadri~ ver moZebnes. es imisTvis,
rom maT aravin araferSi dasdoT
brali. sakuTar kadrs ki bolosken gamoaCenen, rodesac
gamouvali mdgomareoba iqneba.
manam ki, vinc ar unda moiZebnos,
an Tavad aTqmevineben uars, an
kompromatebs daudeben maTze
ivaniSvils. saukuneebis ganmavlobaSi `samefo karis~ intrigebi
erTi da igive SinaarsiT xasiaTdeba.
da mainc,
sania mainc dauSvebda Secdomas
da gunds datovebda. mere Tavad
ityoda romelime preskonferenciaze, me maSinac ar vendobodi iraklis, magram masTan aliansi saqmes sWirdebodao. alasania
arc axla uSvebs Secdomas, rasac
mwyobridan gamohyavs ivaniSvilis
garemocva. Tumca swored Tavdacvis ministris gamo gadaaTqmevines premier-ministrs
irakli RaribaSvilis gapremiereba, rom, rogorc minimum, sapirwone Zalovani ministri iyos
`
integraciis
ministrebi.
ivaniSvilis garemocvas arc
Tea wulukiani surs iusticiis
ministrad, Tumca
`
yvelaze misaRebi
varianti Tavad
wulukianis mxridan
uaris Tqmaa. es SeiZleba
politikuri demarSiT
varaudiT, `SeTanxmebulia~, ase
gamoiyureba:
premier-ministri _ giorgi kvirikaSvili;
saxelmwifo ministri evropul da
evroatlantikur struqturebSi integraciis sakiTxebSi _ aleqsi petriaSvili (I varianti); gadasawyvetia
(II varianti);
saxelmwifo ministri reintegraciis
sakiTxebSi _ paata zaqareiSvili (I
varianti); paata zaqareiSvili (II varianti);
mokled, swored ase gamoiyureba is sia, romelic am
droisTvis premier-ivaniSvils
ministrTa-kabinetis momaval
SemadgenlobaSi warsadgenad
surs. Tumca `surs~ sakmaod
xmamaRali naTqvamia, radganac
sia metwilad misi mrCevlebis
Sedgenilia da `gadasawyvetias~
nacvlad maTTvis kargadaa cnobili, vis unda gauwion lobireba ama Tu im postze. ubralod,
jer `adrea~ da `fiqroben~. metic, am siis ase gaxmaureba
garkveulwilad
signalia
calkeuli ministrebisTvis, rom
sanam kidev aris dro, `imoqmedon~. es aris signali imaTTvisac,
visac surT ama Tu im postze
sakuTari Tavi ixilon. mokled,
siis gareT gamotana imas niSnavs, rom
`
`
yvelaze rTulad
mosaSoreblad
ivaniSvilis karze
irakli alasania
miaCniaT. alasanias
moSorebaSi sirTules
calkeuli postebis
dasakaveblad auqcioni
dawyebulia. ivaniSvilis
mrCevlebis madis
gaTvaliswinebiT ki
fsonebi sakmaod maRali
`
`
ivaniSvilic xedavs.
ra Tqma unda, pativmoyvareoba Znelad dasaZlevia da premieri jerac daboRmilia imis
gamo, rom sruliad usamarTlod,
alasaniasTvis vice-premieris
rangis CamorTmevis Semdeg, Tavdacvis saministroSi mouwia misvla, rac, faqtobrivad, sajarod
bodiSis moxda iyo im binZuri piarkampaniis gamo, alasanias rom
mouwyves _ sxvaTa Soris, ivaniSvilis fuliT. faqtebi rom
daudes ivaniSvils magidaze, mere
gaxda iZulebuli, Tavdacvis ministrs xleboda, Tumca gulSi
mainc rCeboda imis imedi, rom
saprezidento arCevnebamde ala-
energetikis ministri _ kaxa
kalaZe (I varianti); kaxa kalaZe (II
varianti); (vice-premieri);
Tavdacvis ministri _ irakli
alasania (I varianti); irakli sesiaSvili (II varianti);
iusticiis ministri _ Tea
wulukiani (I varianti); manana kobaxiZe (II varianti);
kulturisa da ZeglTa dacvis
ministri _ mirian odiSaria (I varianti); gadasawyvetia (II varianti);
iZulebiT gadaadgilebul pirTa,
gansaxlebisa da ltolvilTa ministri _ gadasawyvetia (I varianti);
gadasawyvetia (II varianti);
sagareo saqmeTa ministri _ maia
fanjikiZe (I varianti); gadasawyvetia
(II varianti);
Sinagan saqmeTa ministri _ irakli RaribaSvili (I varianti); irakli RaribaSvili (II varianti);
soflis meurneobis ministri _
gadasawyvetia (I varianti); gadasawyvetia (II varianti);
Sromis, janmrTelobisa da socialuri dacvis ministri _ daviT
sergeenko (I varianti); daviT sergeenko (II varianti); (vice-premieri);
sasjelaRsrulebis, probaciisa da
iuridiuli daxmarebis sakiTxTa ministri _ gadasawyvetia (I varianti);
gadasawyvetia (II varianti);
regionuli ganviTarebisa da infrastruqturis ministri _ Tengiz
SergelaSvili (I varianti); gadasawyvetia (II varianti);
sportisa da axalgazrdobis saqmeTa ministri _ levan yifiani (I
varianti); gadasawyvetia (II varianti);
iqneba.
qveyanaSi.
`
jerac araa
gadawyvetili, moxvdebian
Tu ara axali kabinetis
SemadgenlobaSi sagareo
saqmeTa, soflis
meurneobis, kulturisa
da ZeglTa dacvis,
ganaTlebis, sportisa da
axalgazrdobis, garemos
dacvis, evroatlantikuri
moxdes, rodesac
alasanias etyvian
Tavdacvis ministrobaze
uars, an Tu alasanias
sakiTxi mainc dadebiTad
gadawyda da is darCa
mTavrobaSi, iqneb
wulukians `swavlis
`
gagrZeleba~ moundes.
mTlianobaSi ki ministrTa
kabinetis axali Semadgenloba,
romelic am etapze, mrCevlebis
saxelmwifo ministri diasporis
sakiTxebSi _ konstantine surgulaZe
(I varianti); konstantine surgulaZe
(II varianti);
ganaTlebisa da mecnierebis ministri _ Tamar sanikiZe (I varianti);
gadasawyvetia (II varianti);
garemos dacvisa da bunebrivi
resursebis ministri _ gadasawyvetia
(I varianti); gadasawyvetia (II varianti);
ekonomikisa da mdgradi ganviTarebis ministri _ daviT narmania (I
varianti); daviT narmania (II varianti);
Tumca arc is unda gamovricxoT, rom premieri bolo
gamocdas utarebdes sakuTar
mrCevlebs da rekomendatorebma SesaZloa, safuZvlianad waitexon kiseri. miT ufro,
`
rogorc amboben,
Tavad premieri sakadro
sakiTxebze mxolod
RaribaSvilTan,
kvirikaSvilTan da
`
kalaZesTan msjelobs.
premieri
#5 (005) oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013
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`ar mWirdeba saxelmwifo, romelic gaWirvebuls gzaSi miatovebs~
`adamianis uflebebi
aris is
Rirebulebebi,
romelic
ekonomikuri
parametrebiT ver
gaizomeba~
miranda nabaxteveli
a
m dromde
xelisuflebasa
da
sakanonmdeblo
organos
ipoTekiT
dazaralebul
mosaxleobasTan
dakavSirebiT
gansxvavebuli poziciebi
aqvT da SeTanxmebas ver
axerxeben. Sedegad ki
SesaZlebelia, uZrav
qonebaze aRsrulebis
meqanizmebis eqvsTvian
moratoriumze
kanonproeqti Cavardes
da sakiTxi kvlav
mougvarebeli darCes.
ra bedi eliT
ipoTekarebs, romelTa
gamosaxleba
yoveldRiurad
grZeldeba, ras
fiqrobs aRniSnul
sakiTxze gedevan
fofxaZe, romelic
mTavrobis midgomas ar
iziarebs? `premiers~
parlamentis adamianis
uflebebis dacvisa da
samoqalaqo integraciis
komitetis Tavmjdomaris
moadgile gedevan
fofxaZe esaubra.
batono gedevan,
ipoTekiT dazaralebuli
mosaxleoba ukve didi
xania iTxovs, SeCerdes
gamosaxlebis procesi,
Tumca uSedegod.
sabolood ras upirebT
ipoTekiT dazaralebul
mosaxleobas, romelic
protestis niSnad xan
SimSilobs, aqcias
marTavs xan
parlamentTan, xan
premier-ministris
biznescentrTan?
samwuxarod, am sakiTxze sabolood SeTanxmebulebi ar
varT. eqvsTviani moratoriumis gamocxadebasTan dakavSirebiT
gansxvavebuli
poziciebi gvaqvs, magram
vTanxmdebiT, rom aRniSnul
sakiTxze
procedurebi
Sesacvlelia.
sanam mTavroba da
sakanonmdeblo
xelisufleba
ipoTekarebTan
dakavSirebiT
SejerdebiT, manamde
aranairi procedura ar
arsebobs, rom
gamosaxlebis procesi
droebiT mainc
SeaCeroT?
arsebobs konkretuli saqmee-
bi, romelTa gadavadebac
SeiZleba da amas vakeTebT,
Tumca aris meore mxarec, sabanko seqtori, romelsac
yovelTvis maxseneben.
premier-ministrma Tqven
araerTgzis
gagakritikaT, rom
ipoTekarebTan
dakavSirebiT
momzadebuli
kanonproeqti
parlaments sabanko
seqtorTan
SeuTanxmeblad
warudgineT. amis Semdeg
Tu SexvediT sabanko
seqtoris
warmomadgenlebs?
mas Semdeg, rac parlamentSi
ipoTekarebTan dakavSirebiT
iniciativa Semovida sabanko
asociaciis warmomadgenlebma Sexvedra mTxoves, SevxvdiT da visaubreT. maT sakuTari pozicia aqvT da amboben, rom perspeqtivaSi gamosaxlebis procesis SeCereba maTTvis SeiZleba cudi aR-
CemTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania, swored am kuTxiT moxdes
urTierTobebis dalageba.
mTavrobis ekonomikuri gundi ki gansxvavebuli kuTxiT
msjelobs.
maTTvis
ekonomikuri zianis miyeneba
principulad mniSvnelovania.
Tumca mimaCnia, rom adamianis
uflebebi aris is Rirebule-
droSi urTierTobebi unda
dalagebuliyo bankebsa da
ipoTekiT dazaralebulebs
Soris da es iqneboda pirveli nabiji situaciis gamosasworeblad. am sferoSi araTanabari mdgomareoba Tu
isev SenarCunda, maSin
gaizrdeba im adamianTa ricxvi, romlebic msgavsi problemis winaSe aRmoCndebian. am
dros gaWirvebuli adamiani
samomavlo perspeqtivaze ar
fiqrobs, zrunavs imaze, dRes
rogor gadarCes, iRebs sesxs,
ipoTekiT tvirTavs saxls da
moqmedi kanonmdeblobis
pirobebSi adamianTa umravlesoba, romelic am nabijs
dgams, ganwirulia imisTvis,
rom bina dakargos. amitom
amgvari urTierTobebi unda
moispos. viRacaze unda
vizrunoT im kuTxiT, rom
saxli SevunarCunoT, zogs ki
socialuri sacxovrisi unda
SevTavazoT. yvela SemTxvevaSi es aris saxelmwifos
valdebuleba da imedi maqvs,
rom 2014 wlis biujetSi am sakiTxis mosagvareblad Tanxebi gamoiyofa.
arsebobs SesaZlebloba,
rom eqvsTviani
moratoriumis
gamocxadebasTan
dakavSirebiT
parlamentma meore
mosmeniT
kanonmdebloba Caagdos?
moCndes. mimaCnia, rom es sfero mouwesrigebelia da pasuxismgebloba am sferoSi
urTierTobis dalagebaze
modis xelisuflebazec. unda
mowesrigdes samoqalaqo
kodeqsi, saaRsruleblo
procesi.
rogor fiqrobT,
ratom aqvT mTavrobis
warmomadgenlebs
kanonmdeblebisgan
mkveTrad gansxvavebuli
pozicia?
am process sxvadasxva kriteriumebiT vudgebiT. me adamianis uflebebis dacvis komitets warmovadgen da
bebi, romelic ekonomikuri
parametrebiT ver gaizomeba
da swored amis gamo gvaqvs
gansxvavebuli pozicia.
Tu ver SeTanxmdiT,
maSin ra bedi elis
kanonproeqts da
ipoTekiT
dazaralebulebs?
kanonproeqti TavisTavad am
adamianebis beds arsebiTad
dadebiTad ar wyvets. kanonproeqti
iTvaliswinebs
eqvsTvian moratoriums,
romelsac vada, adre Tu gvian, amoewureba da problema
kvlav problemad darCeba. am
im SemTxvevaSi, Tu deputatebis nawili mTavrobis argumentebs gaiziarebs, ra Tqma
unda, arsebobs SesaZlebloba, rom meore mosmeniT
kanonproeqti Cavardes.
2-3 Tvis win ganacxadeT,
rom, Tu xelisufleba
ipoTekarebTan
dakavSirebiT qmediT
nabijebs ar gadadgamda,
mzad iyaviT, borjomis
maJoritarobaze uari
geTqvaT. axlac ase
fiqrobT?
maSin Cemi gancxadebis arasworad interpretireba moxda. sakomiteto ganxilvaze,
roca mTavrobis saparlamento mdivanma Tqva, ras
mogvcemda eqvsTviani moratoriumis gamocxadeba, maSin
me vuTxari, moecaT es periodi da Tu ar gaamarTlebda,
am SemTxvevaSi pasuxismgeblobas ar gaveqceodi. es wminda
emociuri gancxadeba iyo. me
arc qveynis pirveli piri var,
rom Tundac eqvsTviani moratoriumis gasvlis Semdeg am
sakiTxis mogvarebis pasuxismgebloba sakuTar Tavze
aviRo. Tumca darwmunebuli
var, eqvsTvian periodSi
garkveulwilad SevcvlidiT
urTierTobebs. me piradad
problemad ar mimaCnia, romelime deputatma uari Tqvas
sakuTari sadeputato mandatis Sesrulebaze, Tu es mis
pozicias gaamyarebs. Tumca
mimaCnia, rom pasuxismgeblobidan gaqceva swori ar aris.
politikaSi ultimatumi ar
unda wamoayeno, es arasworia,
radgan, bolos da bolos, Tu
sadeputato mandats daxev,
ra Seicvleba? vTqvi, Tu moratoriumis Semdeg Sedegi
aradamakmayofilebeli iqneboda, politikur pasuxismgeblobas am formiT aviRebdi
_ sakanonmdeblo organos
gaveclebodi.
kanonproeqts meore
mosmeniT kenWs rodis
uyriT?
sakiTxi biuros gadasawyvetia. Tu ver SevTanxmdiT,
ramdenad swori iqneba saerTod am sakiTxze kenWisyra,
ar vici.
gamodis, rom sakiTxi
haerSi gamokidebuli
rCeba?
kanonproeqti ki ar kidia
haerSi, aramed is socialuri
realoba, romelic ultramemarjvene politikam _ `nacionalebma~ Seqmnes, roca
gaWirvebuli ufro met
gaWirvebaSi vardeboda da
visac fuli hqonda, ufro
mets Soulobda. es is safrTxea, romelic unda gamovasworoT. politika Tu ise ar
wava, rom orientirebuli ar
iqneba gaWirvebuli mosaxleobis daxmarebaze, maSin saboloo Sedegamde ver mivalT.
unda viaroT madliTa da
erTobiT, ar mWirdeba saxelmwifo, romelic gaWirvebuls gzaSi miatovebs.
ar fiqrobT, rom, Tu
moratoriumis
gamocxadebasTan
dakavSirebiT
kanonproeqti Cavarda,
ipoTekarebis mxridan
seriozuli agresia
wamova?
agresia kanonproeqtTan mimarTebaSi ar aris. agresiis
safuZveli SeiZleba gaxdes
is, rom realurad ipoTekarebTan dakavSirebuli
sakiTxi ver regulirdeba da
am adamianebis gaWirvebas ver
eSvela. Tu kanonproeqti Cavarda, maSin sxva alternativa unda SevTavazoT.
12 premieri
axali ambebi
msjavrdebulebisTvis
momsaxure patimrebs
saxelmwifo
daafinansebs
sasjelaRsrulebis probaciisa da iuridiuli daxmarebis sakiTxTa ministris,
oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013 #5 (005)
jondi baRaTuria:
`qarTul ocnebas~ aqvs `imedi~ da makontroleblad
hyavs politikuri intrigebiT dakavebuli xuxaSvili~
miranda nabaxteveli
winasaarCevno garemoze,
politikur viTarebasa
da koalicia `qarTuli
ocnebis~ politikaze, maT
Secdomebsa da kuluarul
detalebze `premiers~
`qarTuli dasis~
lideri jondi
baRaTuria esaubra:
`ivaniSvili politikur
procesebs usufaSvilis
TvalebiT uyurebs da
xuxaSvilis yurebiT usmens~
batono jondi, 23
saprezidento kandidati
gvyavs, Tumca Tqven am
siaSi ar xarT. ratom
TqviT uari
saprezidento arCevnebSi
monawileobaze? am etapze
prezidentobisTvis mzad
ar xarT?
sozar subaris ganmartebiT,
patimrebis,
romlebic
msjavrdebulebs sxvadasaxva
momsaxurebas uweven saxelmwifo biujetidan dafinansdebian. rogorc subarma ganacxada amis gamo mimdinare
wlis bolomde bijetidan
350 000-lari gamouyofa.
,,miRebul iqna marTlac
revoluciuri
gadawyvetileba. sabWoTa kavSiridan moyolebuli msjavrdebulebisTvis momsaxure pa-
timrebi aqamde sxva patimrebis fuliT finansdebodnen. es mniSvnelovani Semosavali iyo avtoritetebisTvis. amitom miviReT gadawyvetileba, romlis Tanaxmad momsaxure patimrebi
saxelmwifo biujetidan dafinansdebian”, _ganacxada
sozar subarma da aRniSna,
rom am kategoriis patimrebi TveSi xelfasis saxiT 250300-lars miiReben.
axali ambebi
nawilobriv veTanxmebi ivaniSvils, rom pirdapiri gagebiT
zewola ar aris, qvebs ar
gvesvrian,
magram,
Tu
gauWirdebaT, ar gamikvirdeba, esec rom daiwyon. premier-ministrs gansxvavebuli
azris mimarT Seuwynareblobas
vatyob.
daviwyoT
saarCevno administraciiT,
saolqo da saubno saarCevno
ubnebSi, `nacionalebs~ hyavT
Svidi warmomadgeneli, koalicias _ eqvsi, `qarTul
dass~ ki _ nuli. 7300-mde
saarCevno ubania, es imas niSnavs, rom yvela saarCevno
ubanze
`nacionalur
moZraobaze~ muSaobs biujetidan dafinansebuli Svidi kaci, xolo koalicia
`qarTuli ocnebaze~ _ eqvsi,
Cvenze ki _ nuli. warmogid-
saarCevno administracia
unda Seicvalos da cesko-Si
`qarTul ocnebas~ eqvsi warmomadgeneli ki ar unda
hyavdes, aramed erTi. saprezidento arCevnebSi giorgi
margvelaSvili koaliciis
saxeliT monawileobs, Sesabamisad, cesko-Si maT eqvsi
warmomadgeneli hyavdeT da
me _ nuli, ra samarTalia?
mpaniis gunds brals ar vdeb,
SesaniSnavi koleqtivia, magram Cemamde maTi moyvana ver
xerxdeba. yovelTvis meuxerxuleba, patarkaciSvilis
ojaxs davureko, radgan amis
Semdeg RonisZiebaze modian.
e.i. gamodis, rom realurad
`imeds~ gia xuxaSvili marTavs, arxze cenzura igrZnoba. amitom mediis kuTxiT sak-
amiT ki ar xsnian, aramed im
kanoniT, romelic `nacionalebma~ sakuTari TavisTvis
daweres. maSin, yvelafer
kargs Tu akeTebda saakaSvilis gundi, ver gavige, cxra
weli ratom vebrZodiT. Cven
am kanons erTad vakritikebdiT, axla ki moswonT. amave
dros im xarvezebis gamosasworeblad, rac CamovTvale,
aucilebelia dawesdes zeda
zRvari partiis mier fulis
xarjvaze, es zRvari axla 43
milionia. ivaniSvili amdens
rom daxarjavs, miTxariT,
amdeni me saidan unda davxarjo. Cven vfiqrobT, es zRvari sami milionamde unda
dawesdes da Tanabrad unda
gadanawildes mediaSi dro
ufaso reklamaze. aseve, unda
dawesdes limiti fasiani reklamis SeZenaze. vTqvaT, 5-5
maod araTanabari viTarebaa.
administraciul resurs rac
Sexeba, is `nacionalebsa~ da
koalicia `qarTul ocnebas~
aqvT. cxadia, misi gamoyeneba
wuTi gadanawilda Cvenze,
nino burjanaZeze, `nacionalebis~ bandasa da `qarTul
ocnebaze~, amis Semdeg damatebiT erT saaTs koalicia
finansuri resursi ar
gqondaT Canafiqris
gansaxorcieleblad, Tu
sxva mizezic arsebobs?
gamodis, rom koalicia
`qarTuli ocnebis~
dapireba Tavisufali,
demokratiuli arCevnebis
Catarebis Sesaxeb
mxolod sityvebia da
ara realoba?
ra unda gakeTdes, rom
Tqven mier CamoTvlili
xarvezebi gamoswordes
da dabalansdes?
koaliciaSi Semavali
partiebi amas imiT
xsnian, rom isini
damoukidebeli partiebi
arian da cal-calke unda
hyavdeT warmomadgeneli?
yvelafers Tavisi dro aqvs,
roca amis dro dadgeba,
saprezidento arCevnebSi
monawileobas miviReb. erTia
politikosis gancda _ aris
Tu ara is raRacisTvis mzad,
xolo meore _ saTanado
resursisa da SesaZleblobis
arseboba imisTvis, rom ganzraxva sisruleSi moiyvano.
Zalian
gulwrfelad
getyviT, am etapze saWirod
CavTvale, rom savaldebulo
ar iyo saprezidento kandidatebis mravalricxovan
armias mivmatebodi. am etapze
Cemi gadawyvetileba ufro
politikurad mizanSewonilia da cota gansxvavebuli
gegmebi maqvs, romelic
arCevnebis Semdeg gamoCndeba.
im doziT ar xdeba, rogorc
saakaSvilis dros iyo, magram
met-naklebad dResac aqvs adgili.
geniaT, amgvari upiratesobiT rom sargeblobs partia,
ramxela resursia?
arCevnebi Tu
demokratiulad
Catardeba, maSin xmebis
dacvac aucilebeli ar
gaxdeba?
amomrCevels arCevnebis dRes
saarCevno yuTTan moyvana
sWirdeba, am yvelafrisTvis
ki finansuri resursia
saWiro. aqtivists fuli unda
gadauxado, raTa amomrCevelTan mivides da partiis programa gaacnos. amgvari
aqtivisti `qarTul ocnebas~,
garda partiuli resursisa,
saprezidento arCevnebze
kidev damatebiT saxelmwifo
biujetidan dafinansebuli 21
000 hyavs, `nacionalebs~ ki _
28 000, `qarTul dassa~ da
nino burjanaZes _ nuli. es
xom mniSvnelovani gansxvavebaa, xom meTanxmebiT. rac Seexeba finansur resurss, saxelmwifodan dafinanseba `nacionalur moZraobas~ ori
milioni aqvs, koalicias _
or
milion-naxevari,
`qarTul dass~ _ 150 000, nino
burjanaZes _ nuli. saxelmwifo dafinansebis garda, `nacionalur moZraobas~ aqvs
naqurdali
miliardebi,
`qarTuli ocnebis~ zurgs
ukan dgas 7 miliardi legaluri da aradeklarirebuli
kidev vin icis, ramdeni. Cven
praqtikulad _ araferi.
dameTanxmebiT, esec mniSvnelovani sxvaobaa. rac Seexeba medias, `nacionaluri
moZraobisTvis~ kontrolirebadia `rusTavi 2~, aseve,
gavlena aqvT `sazogadoebriv
mauwyebelze~ _ bordi maTia,
`qarTul ocnebas~ aqvs `imedi~ da makontroleblad
hyavs politikuri intrigebiT dakavebuli xuxaSvili.
mizanmimarTulad
iblokebiT?
faqts geubnebiT da gamiznulad xdeba Tu ara, Tqven gansajeT. me, piradad teleko-
premieri
#5 (005) oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013
Tu kidev iyidis, me da burjanaZe xom daviCagrebiT?
politologebi, mTavar
konkurentebad giorgi
margvelaSvilsa da nino
burjanaZes ganixilavdnen,
magram gansxvavebuli
Sedegi dado `erovnuldemokratiulma
institutma~ ((NDI
NDI
), sadac
NDI),
margvelaSvilis Semdeg
liderobs baqraZe 18%iT, nino burjanaZes
mxolod 7% xvda
wilad. Tqven vin
migaCniaT mTavar
konkurentebad da ra
Sansi aqvs koalicia
`qarTuli ocnebis~
prezidentobis
kandidats?
koba, ra ggoniaT, risTvis wamovida? imitom rom komunikacia ar hqonia.
saubroben imazec, rom
gaiyida?
vis undoda kobas yidva. koba,
ubralod, uyuradRebod iyo
da ramdenjerme Tqva, rom
kontaqti ar aqvs. me piradad,
biZina
ivaniSvilisTvis
aaSenebines. gamodis, rom monopolia SenarCunebulia.
Tqven piradad ar
gicdiaT masTan
Sexvedra?
roca premiers
monopoliebis Sesaxeb
eubnebian, is konkretuli
gvar-saxelebis
dasaxelebas moiTxovs,
radgan Zalian mkacrad
dasjis
Tavisi gundis
wevrs, vinc am saqmis
monawile iqneba?
premier-ministrs opoziciasTan Sexvedra ar unda. saerTod, cnobilia, am kacs komunikaciis problema aqvs.
Sexvedramde aTasjer unda
gadaamowmos, ra Temaze unda
isaubros, erTi Tve unda
amzados viRacam, rom Segxvdes da a.S.
biZina ivaniSvilis am gamoTq-
premierma ganacxada, rom
politikidan wasvlis
Semdeg is politikur
cxovrebaSi aRar
Caereva...
ara, ara, es uprincipobisa da
upasuxismgeblobis dakveTaa.
biZina ivaniSvili politikur
procesebsa da koaliciis
muSaobas
usufaSvilis
TvalebiT uyurebs da xuxaSvilis yurebiT usmens. sanam
premieri am kompleqsebidan
ar ganTavisufldeba da sakuTari yurebiTa da TvalebiT
ar Sexedavs politikur procesebs, ar mousmens sazogadoebis azrs, manam sul iqneba ganawyenebuli xalxze,
gabrazebuli kritikuli
azris mimarT.
`
gindaT gamokiTxva
CaatareT da hkiTxeT
ministrebs, aqvT Tu ara
ufleba, premiers
daukavSirdnen, Tu
saswrafo saqme aqvT. am
mizniT maT xuxaSvilis
filtri unda
`
gaiaron.
axali ambebi
zviad ZiZiguri
nacionalebs
madlobas uxdis
parlamentis vice–spikeris, zviad ZiZiguris
gancxadebiT, umcireso-
bisTvis madloba aqvT gadsaxdeli, radgan parlamentSi gamarTuli debatebiT
koalicia ,,qarTul ocnebas” saSualeba mieca mosaxleobisTvis srulad
eCvenebina, ekonomikuri
kuTxiT win gadadgmuli
nabijebi da winsvlebi,
realurad arsad ar midis,
ubralod, politikur pasuxismgeblobas emijneba. ivaniSvils politikur cxovrebaSi
Careva SesaZloa, imisTvis
sWirdebodes, rom biznesi
gaafarToos. gegulebaT adamiani, romelic uars ityoda politikur gavlenaze?
saprezidento arCevnebze
meore turs elodebiT?
es iqneba aSS-is dakveTa?
biZina ivaniSvilma
politikidan wasvla
sabolood gadawyvita.
rogorc ganacxada,
Semcvleli ukve SerCeuli
hyavs. Tqven ras
fiqrobT, vin SeiZleba
vixiloT axal premierministrad?
is piri, vinc srulad damokidebuli iqneba biZina ivaniSvilze, marioneti. ivaniSvili
politikidan wasvlis Semdeg
gverdidan gaakontrolebs
procesebs. Cven ar gvinda
winidan, uknidan, gverdidan
marTuli mTavroba, gvinda
Tavisufali xelisufleba. an
rom ambobs, wasvlis Semdeg
axal premier-ministrs davniSnavo, sadme dedamiwis zurgze ginaxavT, gadamdgar premier-ministrs axali premierministri daeniSnos? ra,
ufliswulia? amis ra iuridiuli ufleba aqvs?
saprezidento arCevnebze
opozicias Sansi hqonda, jer
kidev aqvs, magram opoziciam
unda gamoiCinos meti pasuxismgebloba, sazogadoebas
meti politikuri kultura
unda aCvenos da moaxerxos
erTian kandidatze SeTanxmeba. bevr kandidats savsebiT
samarTliani ambicia aqvs
qveynis marTvaze, miuxedavad
amisa, Tu xalxs davanaxvebdiT, rom urTierTkompromisis gziT vaxerxebT SeTanxmebas da erTian kandidats, erTian Zalas SevTavazebdiT,
romelic daabalansebda usamarTlo `qarTul ocnebasa~
da `nacionalur moZraobas~,
damerwmuneT, qarTul politikaSi es mniSvnelovani ganacxadi iqneboda.
samarTliani arCevnebisa da
opoziciis gonivruli moqmedebis SemTxvevaSi gardauvlad mimaCnia meore turis
gamarTva da opoziciis gamarjveba. `qarTul ocnebas~
ureitingo saprezidento
kandidati hyavs, baqraZe ki
`nacionaluri~ bandis kandidatia, rac, damerwmuneT, mZime tvirTia. amitom es Sansi
opozicias SeeZlo gamoeyenebina, magram ver iyenebs.
baqraZis meore adgilze
gaTrevas koalicia `qarTuli ocneba~ cdilobs.
is upativcemuloba? rogor
SeiZleba, ministrTa kabinetis wevrebTan am sakiTxze
konsultacia ar gaiaros.
ver xedavT, misi mTavrobidan
gansxvavebul azrs veravin
ambobs.
13
garkveul Temaze pasuxi unda
gameca, ar vendobodi Cvens
Soris sakontaqto pirebs da
gadavwyvite, piradad misTvis
damereka kancelariaSi, magram Zveli nomrebi saerTod
aRar arsebobs. mere davureke
erT-erT maRal Tanamdebobis
pirs da gadaveci Cemi saTqmeli. vuTxari, rom im dResve
unda gadaeca Cemi danabarebi, magram miTxra, rom is piradad ver Sexvdeboda da
kviramde ver etyoda. e.i. ministrebsa da premiers komunikacia ar aqvT.
mas ar vendobi. ara mgonia,
premieri iseTi gulubryvilo
iyos, miT umetes, biznesis sferoSi, rom ver xvdebodes,
realurad ra xdeba. ratom
ar gaCnda Tundac axali
saafTiaqo qseli `pe-es-pes~,
`ji-pi-sis~, `farmadepos~
garda, romelic misia? es
kiTxva me Tu miCndeba, mas ar
uCndeba? am yvelafris mizezi
ori garemoeba SeiZleba iyos:
ratom uWirs premiers
xalxTan urTierToba?
mas ar aqvs kritikuli analizis unari, raSic eWvi mepareba, an icis yvelaferi.
viTarebis ministrma da arc
mTavrobis wevrebma araferi
ician, normaluria? es ar
aris sakuTari gundis, xalx-
Cemi azriT, is Tavis TavSi
darwmunebuli ar aris da
Tavisufal
garemoSi
oponireba uWirs. premieri
rom mTavrobis sxdomaze
ityvis, gadawyvita, vice-premierad giorgi kvirikaSvili
daniSnos, ise, rom am gadawyvetilebis Sesaxeb arc
ekonomikisa da mdgradi gan-
minda gkiTxoT
koaliciis momavalze,
daiSleba biZina
ivaniSvilis politikidan
wasvlis Semdeg?
daSlili ar aris axla? erTi
alTasaa, meore balTas. axla
koalicia formaluradaa da
amas ganapirobebs biZina ivaniSvili da survili, Zalaufleba ar dakargon. Tumca amis
didxans SenarCuneba ivaniSvilis wasvlis Semdeg gaWirdeba. koaliciaSi Semavali par-
RaribaSvils?
ara, ara, Ss ministri ar yofila.
xSirad saubrobT, rom,
wina xelisuflebis
msgavsad, monopoliebi
axali xelisuflebis
pirobebSic arsebobs.
SegiZliaT, konkretuli
argumentebis dasaxeleba?
axali xelisuflebis mosvlis
Semdeg biznesSi araferi
Secvlila. yvelaferi wina xelisuflebis msgavsadaa SenarCunebuli.
Tundac
sawvavis biznesSi igive monopoliaa. sadme axali benzingasamarTi sadguri ginaxavT?
Sesabamisad, Cndeba kiTxva _
ratom? sainteresoa, ratom
ar gauCnda qarTvel biznesmens Tundac erTi benzingasamarTi sadguris gaxsnis survili? imitom rom ar
tiebi erTmaneTs daejaxebian
da is, rac koaliciaSi farulad xdeba, gareT gamova.
romelic erT wlis ganmavlobaSi moxda.
,,didi madloba unda
vuTxraT ,,nacionalebs” imitom rom am debatebiT
mogveca saSualeba, mosaxleobisaTvis migvewodebina
realuri suraTi. romelic
arc erT satelevizio siujetSi ar Caeteoda. seriozuli winsvlebi gvaqs soflis meurneobis mimarTulebiT. aseve seriozuli winsvlebi gvaqvs: ganaTlebaSi,
jandacvaSi,
eqsportis sakiTxebSi. sakanonmdeblo bazis sakiTxTTan. kerZo investiciebis SemodinebasTan dakavSirebiT.
Cven yvelaferze absoluturad cifrebiT gaveciT
pasuxi, me vfiqrob saqarTvelos mosaxleoba dainteresebulia da Tvalyurs
adevnebs am debatebs”,-ganacxada ZiZigurma.
axali ambebi
14 premieri
oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013 #5 (005)
ratom ar surs qarTveli biznesmenebis nawils
`Tanainvestirebis fondSi~ fulis Cadeba?
maia arabiZe
`Tanainvestirebis
fondi~ investorebis
molodinSia, maTi, vinc
fondis kapitalSi
fuls Cadeben, romelic
Semdgom proeqtebSi
realizdeba da `ocnebac
asruldeba~.
cneba imisa, rom
amJamindeli xelisufleba wina
xelisuflebas
`ajobebs~
da
ufro met investicias Semoitans,
vidre wina wlebSi
iyo da ocneba imisac, rom
qveynis ekonomika, dagegmilisamebr, gaizrdeba da wlis
bolos xelisufleba isev
uxerxul mdgomareobaSi ar
aRmoCndeba, rogorc es 2013
wels moxda.
Tumca sawyis etapzeve investorTa nawili acxadebs,
rom fondSi investirebas ar
apirebs. rogorc Cans, biznesi dakvirvebis reJimSia, an
saerTod ar ainteresebs am
mimarTulebiT muSaoba da
sakuTari kapitals marTva
Tavadve urCevnia.
Tumca imisTvis, rom investorebi waxalisebuliyvnen, 6miliarddolarian fondSi
premier-ministrma 15%-iani
Senatani, rac 1 miliard
dolars utoldeba, ukve gaa-
keTa, riTac investorebs magaliTi misca da uCvena, rom
ar SeeSindeT da `Tanainvestirebis fondSi~ investireba Tamamad ganaxor-
rs unda aWarbebdes.
ratom ar surT qarTveli
biznesmenebis nawils fondSi
fulis Cadeba da zogadad,
ratom ver moixibla fondSi
fuls deben ZiriTadad iseTi biznesmenebi, romelTac
Tavisufali kapitali aqvT da
am fuls sxvadasxva mimarTulebiT aTavseben, magal-
alurad fulis momgebianad
dabandebis saSualeba iarsebebs. mTavaria, biznesTan aewyos swori komunikacia da
dafinansebuli proeqtebiT
sac `Tanainvestirebis fondi~ iqneba, Tanamonawile investorebs garkveulwilad
upirates mdgomareobas miscems, anu isini cariel adg-
cielon.
`Tanainvestirebis fondi~
kerZoa da misi investorebis
sia moicavs: `dabi jgufs~,
`rakias~, azerbaijanis respublikis navTobis saxelm-
muSaobiT biznesis nawili?
amaze sakuTari Sexedulebebi
aqvT qarTvel eqspertebs.
iTad, fasian qaRaldebSi, an
uZrav qonebaSi da sxva. msoflioSi aseTi biznesmeni
Zalian bevria. saqarTveloSi
ki aseTi biznesmeni Zalian
cotaa da yvelaferi maTi
gadasawyvetia, albaT, resursic ar aris imdeni.
biznesis nawils urCevnia,
sakuTari fuli Tavad marTos, vidre misi marTva sxvas
miandos. ar gamovricxav
imasac, rom skeptikuradac ki
iyvnen ganwyobilni. `Tanainvestirebis fondSi~ fuli
biznesmenma SeiZleba imitomac ar Seitanos, rom jer
daakvirdes da Tqvas, modi,
aba, erTi vnaxoT, ra iqneba
da mere ganvaxorcieleb investirebaso.
`Tanainvestirebis fondi~
gakeTda imisTvis, rom is iyos
erTgvari garantori axali
investorebis moZiebis. 6 miliardi dolari _ es aris is
Tanxa, romelic, Cemi azriT,
ekonomikis solidur zrdas
ganapirobebs. aq mTavari
problema aris is, ramdenad
Sesabamisi iqneba is proeqtebi am raodenobis kapitalisTvis, romelic dRes arsebobs. `Tanainvestirebis fondidan~
ZiriTadad
masStaburi proeqtebi dafinansdeba da imedia, iqneba
imdeni proeqti, sadac re-
konkurenciaSi ar Sevidnen
ukve arsebul biznesebTan.
prezentaciaze iTqva, rom
saqarTveloSi rZis gadamamuSavebeli soliduri sawarmos mSeneblobas vgegmavT,
romelsac erT-erTi wamyvani
saerTaSoriso kompania dabrendavs, aman ki ar unda gamoiwvios is, rom adgilobrivi
mwarmoeblebi
bazridan
gaqrnen, rac araswori iqneba. aseTi proeqtebis dafinanseba ukve arsebuli biznesebisTvis garkveuli safrTxea
da am mimarTulebiT yuradRebaa gasamaxvilebeli~.
ilze investicias ver da ar
ganaxorcieleben. rac Seexeba qarTuli biznesis damokidebulebas am fondisadmi,
ara mgonia, qarTvel biznesmenebs hqondeT im raodenobis kapitali, ra kapitaliTac is am fondSi Tanamonawileobas SeZlebs. Tumca unda
aRiniSnos, rom investorebi
qveyanaSi orxelisuflebianobis periodsac skeptikurad uyureben da SesaZlebelia, rom, rodesac
erTpartiuli xelisufleba
iqneba, maTi molodinic dasruldes. jerjerobiTç investorebisTvis gaurkveveli
situaciaa da aravin ar icis,
darCeba mmarTveli xelisufleba, Tu isev `nacionaluri
moZraoba~ aiRebs xelSi sadaveebs.
aRvniSnav, rom wina periodSi saqarTveloSi ZiriTadad Semodioda arabuli,
Turquli, rusuli da somxuri investiciebi. anu ganviTarebuli qveynebis investicia _ amerikuli da evropuli investicia saqarTveloSi
naklebad iyo, an Tu iyo, is
sainvesticio amindis Semqmneli ver iqneboda. axla ukve
aris Sansi, rom saqarTveloSi investirebiT wamyvani, ganviTarebuli qveynebi dainteresdnen~.
irakli leqvinaZe:
`investorTa nawili elo-
o
wifo kompania `yaztransoilis~ warmomadgenel kompanias – `baTumis industriul
holdings~, `Calik holdings~,
`mailsToun inTerneSenal
holdings~, biZina ivaniSvils,
aleqsandre maSkeviCs, badri
patarkaciSvilis ojaxsa da
sxva investorebs.
sainvesticio proeqtebSi
fondis Tanamonawileoba
25%-dan 75%-mde iqneba,
xolo Tavad proeqtebis
Rirebuleba 5 milion dola-
deba da akvirdeba `Tanainvestirebis fondis~ saqmianobis Sedegebs. SesaZloa, maTTvis am etapze, am fondis saSualebiT investireba saintereso arc iyos. biznesmeni
SesaZloa, sxvagan xedavdes
sakuTar SesaZleblobebs da
survili aqvs, kapitali Tavad marTos. `Tanainvestirebis fondSi~ Tu Tanxas Seitans, Semdgom mis marTvaSi
aRar iqneba.
`Tanainvestirebis fondSi~
paata aroSiZe:
`gaJRerda informacia,
rom `Tanainvestirebis fondSi~ ukve sakmaod soliduri
Tanxaa
mobilizebuli,
saubaria 6 miliard dolarze, da es aris ara marto
kerZo seqtoris Tanxebi da
aris sakmaod msxvili saerTaSoriso organizaciebis
kapitalic, ukve imeds aCens,
rom garkveuli periodis
Semdeg qveyanaSi investiciebis moculoba gaizrdeba.
zogadad, investicia cariel
adgilze sakmaod Znelad
modis. rasac wina xelisufleba investicias uwodebda,
sinamdvileSi is iyo kapitaldabandeba. axla ki, rode-
premieri
#5 (005) oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013
ana qevxiSvili
giorgi margvelaSvilma
saprezidento
programis prezentaciaze
Sromis, janmrTelobisa
da socialuri dacvis
ministrs daviT
sergeenkos madloba
gadauxada, rom
saqarTveloSi
samedicino momsaxureba
TiToeuli
moqalaqisTvis
xelmisawvdomi gaxda. ra
riskebs Seicavs
sayovelTao jandacvis
programa da vin
dazaraldeba, saboloo
jamSi? am da sxva
sakiTxebze `premiers~
`saqarTvelos
sadazRvevo asociaciis~
Tavmjdomare devi
xeCinaSvili esaubreba.
batono devi, realurad
ramdenad sazianoa
sayovelTao dazRveva
kerZo kompaniebisTvis?
samedicino moxmarebis TvalsazrisiT yvelaze araefeqturi kerZo dazRvevis seqtoris dakargva iqneba. maSin
jandacva dafinansdeba mxolod saxelmwifo programiT
da jibidan gadaxdili TanxiT, ase ki efeqturi servisis
awyoba SeuZlebelia. aseT
SemTxvevaSi adamianebi miiReben maRalfasian da
sayovelTao sadazRvevo riski?
`sayovelTao
jandacvis
ganxorcieleba
riskis qveS ayenebs
ara mxolod
sadazRvevo
kompaniebs, aramed
rigiT moqalaqeebsac~
gaurkveveli xarisxis momsaxurebas. saqarTveloSi amis
araCveulebrivi magaliTi
medikamentebis moxmarebisa da
maTze gaweuli danaxarjebis
arsebuli situaciaa. ase imitom xdeba, rom saxelmwifo
sadazRvevo
programebi
Zalian mizerulad faraven
medikamentebis danaxarjs da
sayovelTao jandacvis programac saerTod ar faravs am
xarjebs. miuxedavad raRac
ovelTao jandacvis mesame
etapi. es saboloo etapi kerZo sadazRvevo kompaniebs
saerTod gaiyvans bazridan,
saxelmwifo sadazRvevo programebic daixureba. mogexsenebaT, es Zalian rTulia
yvelasTvis: biznesis warmoebisTvis, investorebisTvis da
zogadad, ganviTarebisTvis.
dRes mTavroba gveubneba, rom
man mTavar mizans miaRwia,
radgan dRes saqarTveloSi
atebas sadazRvevo premiis koreqciac. jerjerobiT es ar
momxdara. Cven uwyebaTaSoris
komisiasTan swored axla gvaqvs Seqmnili samuSao jgufi,
romelic kompleqsurad Seafasebs samedicino provaiderebis mimarT valebTan dakavSirebul situacias. unda SemuSavdes meqanizmi davalianebis gawerisa da gastumrebis Taobaze. aseve, Sesafasebelia am danaxarjebis mizanSewoniloba. magaliTad,
2012 wels mTavrobam 2010 wlis
programas calmxrivad daamata
valdebuleba,
rom
axali ambebi
galSi eTnikuri
wmendis gagrZelebaa
saxelmwifo ministri reitengraciis sakiTxebSi paata zaqareiSvili galSi arsebuli sabavSvo baRebidan
im moswavleebis gamoyras,
romelTac qarTuli da-
badebis mowmobebi aqvT eTnikuri wmendis gagrZelebad
miiCnevs.
„galis de-faqto administraciam gadawyvita daiwyos im bavSvebis gamorCeva,
visac aqvT qarTuli dabadebis mowmobebi, es aris eTnikuri wmendis gagrZeleba. am
yvelafers saerTaSoriso
Tanamegobrobisa da saerTaSoriso organizaciebis
mxridan seriozuli reaqcia
eqneba”, - ganacxada zaqareiSvilma.
axali ambebi
15
mcdelobebisa, wlebis ganmavlobaSi danaxarjebi medikamentebze mainc izrdeba. es
gamoixateba imaSic, rom CvenTan adamianebi saerTaSoriso
empiriul doneze met medikaments moixmaren. amitom
samkurnalo danaxarjebis naxevari medikamentebze modis.
sayovelTao jandacvis ganxorcieleba riskis qveS ayenebs ara mxolod sadazRvevo kompaniebs, aramed rigiT
moqalaqeebsac. pirveli ivlisis mere, rodesac sazogadoebrivi jandacvis meore
etapi daiwyo, mTavrobam jerjerobiT
mkafiod
ver
gagvagebina
saxelmwifo
sadazRvevo programebis momavali. sainteresoa, iqneba Tu
ara da rodis daiwyeba say-
sami instrumentiT _ sayovelTao jandacviT, saxelmwifo da kerZo sadazRvevo
programebiT yvela moqalaqis
xelmisawvdomoba bazisur
samedicino momsaxurebebze
uzrunvelyofilia.
es
TavisTavad kargia, mTavroba
amiT kmayofilia. ubralod,
axla mosagvarebelia is problemebi, romlebic arsebobs
ama Tu im instrumentis farglebSi. erT-erTi aseTi problema warmoiSva programebis
dagegmvis procesSi. 2010 da
2012 wlebis garkveul tenderebSi mTavrobam calmxrivad bevrjer Secvala pirobebi. daemata Zalian bevri xarji, rasac aucileblad unda
mohyoloda Sefaseba _ sWirdeba Tu ara am xarjebis dam-
sadazRvevo
kompaniebs soflis
eqimebi da saswrafo
samedicino samsaxuri jer
25%-iT, wels ukve _ 50%-iT,
momavali wlidan ki 75%-iT
daefinansebinaT. saerTod, es
arasadazRvevo xarjia, daaxloebiT premiis 10%-s Seadgens. swored amitom vcdilobT, SevqmnaT Sesabamisi
kanoni da imedia, rodesac
mTavrobisTvis sarwmuno iqneba dadebuli monacemebi,
moxdeba am programis Sesworeba, am nawilSi problemebi sagrZnoblad Semcirdeba.
SeZlebT raime balansis
miRwevas? ramdenad
SesaZlebelia, rom
jandacvis saministrosTan
moxdes SeTanxmeba?
es advili saqme ar aris. Tveebis ganmavlobaSi mTavrobas
vTxovdiT aseTi formatis
Seqmnas. axla es ukve moxerxda, ukeTesia gvian, vidre
arasdros. imedi maqvs, rom am
samuSao jgufis farglebSi
mivaRwevT progress. ori
Zalian kargi samuSao jgufis
Sexvedra iyo da vemzadebiT
mesame SexvedrisTvis. imedi
maqvs, rom fons gavalT, imitom, rom `erT navSi~ vsxedvarT, mgoni, amis ganwyoba yvelas aqvs. yovel SemTxvevaSi
mTavroba amis deklarirebas
akeTebs. bunebrivia, aris Temebi, romlebic Cven ufro
gvawuxebs da aris sakiTxebi,
romlebic,
piriqiT,
mTavrobas awuxebs. swored aq
unda vipovoT saerTo gamosavali.
amboben,
rom
sadazRvevo industrias yvelaferi kbilebiT uWiravs, ase
araa. Cven didi madlierebiT
unda vaxsenoT hospitaluri
da saerTod samedicino momsaxurebis seqtori, radgan
wagebaze muSaoben. saxelmwifo
programebSi situacia aris
aseTi: yovel 100 larze,
romelsac mTavroba ixdis,
105-dan 110 laramde gadis
samedicino momsaxurebaze. aq
ar Sedis arc administrireba
da arc kompaniis mogeba. anu
dRes am programebis muSaoba
(marTalia, kompaniidan kompaniaze da regionidan regionze gansxvavdeba), saSualod, aris uaryofiTi. anu
jdeba meti, vidre mTavroba
ixdis. rodesac dafinanseba
naklebia danaxarjze, aris
ori varianti: an serviss ar
uwev, an uwev da sadRac valebi grovdeba. gansakuTrebiT
kritikuli mdgomareobaa
TbilisSi, sadac moxmareba
metia, vidre raionSi. samedicino momsaxurebis fasebic
ufro maRalia da Sesabamisad, Tbilisis sadazRvevo
programebi bevrad ufro
didi zewolis qveS arian. Cven
seriozuli cifrebi vaCveneT
mTavrobas. qveyanaSi saSualod umweoTa programaSi
myof pirebs hospitaluri
momsaxureba weliwadSi 100
kacidan daaxloebiT 9 adamians ergeba. TbilisSi, magaliTad, 100 dazRveuli pensioneridan TxuTmeti momsaxurebas iRebs hospitalSi. es
Zalian maRali cifria, TviTon hospitalizaciis saSualo Rirebulebac gacilebiT
Zalian maRalia, vidre sxva
programebSi. es moulodneli
ambavi ar aris, aseTi struqturaa, rom garkveuli asakis
Semdeg matulobs servisis
moTxovnileba. amaSi tragikuli araferia, magram am realobas yvelam TvalebSi unda
Sexedos da Sesabamisad, samarTlianad unda moxdes am
procesebis dafinanseba.
erT-erT interviuSi
brZaneT, rom
saqarTveloSi agvistos
omi rom ar yofiliyo,
sadazRvevo kompaniebi
dResdReobiT ukve
saerTaSoriso giganti
kompaniebis
mflobelobaSi
iqnebodnen. moiyvaneT
ungreTis magaliTi,
sadac yvela kompania
aRniSnul qveyanaSia
dafuZnebuli, magram
mflobelebi
saerTaSoriso kompaniebi
arian. riT aris kargi
aseTi midgoma da ra
problemebs avicilebT
Tavidan aseT SemTxvevaSi?
SeiZleba bevri ramiT yofiliyo kargi. Tumca, naklicaa,
albaT, amaSi _ mainc ucxouri
kompaniaa. Teoriulad, magaliTad, gare kompania ufro advilad miiRebs romelime
gadawyvetilebas. namdvilad
kargi iqneboda, rom aseTi
kompaniebi Tavis codnasa da
resurss Semoitandnen. Zalian
mniSvnelovani iqneboda Cveni
sadazRvevo sferos ganviTarebisTvis, isini xom
uzarmazari
codnis,
tradiciebisa da teqnologiebis mflobelebi arian. meore mxare ki isaa, rom maTiT
manipulireba, maT Soris
mTavrobisTvisac, arc ise
martivi iqneboda. vfiqrob,
rom realurad saxelmwifosa
da kerZo seqtoris TanamSromlobas ufro prognozirebadsa da samarTlians
gaxdida. CvenTan samTavrobo
da kerZo seqtoris urTierToba problemaa da saSualo
vadianadac ar viciT, ra
moxdeba xval, zeg an sam weliwadSi. mTavrobas swored
amas vTxovT _ raRac grZelvadiani an saSualo vadiani
sicxade Seitanos amaSi.
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axali ambebi
saqarTvelos sagareo
valma 13.4 mlrd
dolari Seadgina
mTlianma sagareo valma
2013 wlis 30 ivnisis mdgomareobiT 13.4 mlrd aSS dolari
(22.2 mlrd lari) Seadgina,
rac mSp-s 84.3 procentia;
aqedan, 4.1 mlrd aSS dolari
(6.8 mlrd lari) iyo
samTavrobo seqtoris vali,
435.7 mln aSS dolari (719.3
mln lari;) - erovnuli bankis, 2.5 mlrd aSS dolari (4.1
mlrd lari;) - sabanko seqtoris, 3.3 mlrd aSS dolari
(5.5 mlrd lari;) - sxva seq-
anka bazeraSvili
y
qveynis
mTavarsardlisgan
arCevnebamde iseT
provokacias elis,
romelic mas
prezidentobis vadas
gauxangrZlivebs.
`premieri~ mas
detalebze esaubra.
tristan
torebis da 3.0 mlrd aSS
dolari (5.0 mlrd lari) kompaniaTaSorisi
vali.
mTliani sagareo valis 93.7
procenti denominirebulia
ucxouri valutiT.
2013 wlis meore kvartalSi, wina kvartalTan SedarebiT saqarTvelos mTliani
sagareo vali 45.8 mln aSS
dolariT (75.6 mln lariT)
Semcirda, aqedan vali Semcirda fasis cvlilebebis
gamo 35.7 mln aSS dolariT
(59.0 mln lariT), operaciuli cvlilebebis gamo 30.4 mln
aSS dolariT (59.0 mln lariT), sxva cvlilebebis gamo
11.9 mln aSS dolariT (19.8
mln lariT), xolo sakurso
cvlilebebis gamo vali 32.2
mln aSS dolariT (53.1 mln
lariT) gaizarda.
samTavrobo seqtoris ucxouri valdebulebebi saangariSo periodSi 101.4 mln aSS
dolariT (167.3 mln lariT)
Semcirda. aqedan vali Semcirda operaciuli cvlilebebis Sedegad 111.8 mln aSS
dolariT (184.5 mln lariT)
da fasis cvlilebis gamo 4.3
mln aSS dolariT (7.0 mln
lariT), xolo sakurso cvlilebebis Sedegad vali 14.6
mln aSS dolariT (24.2 mln
lariT) gaizarda.
saangariSo
periodSi
saqarTvelos erovnuli bankis sagareo vali 64.5 mln aSS
dolariT (106.5 mln lariT)
Semcirda. aqedan, operaciuli cvlilebebis Sedegad
erovnuli bankis valdebulebebi 66.3 mln aSS dolariT
(109.4 mln lari) Semcirda da
sakurso cvlilebebis Sedegad - 1.7 mln aSS dolariT
(2.8 mln lari) gaizarda.
axali ambebi
ofili
politpatimari
da samxedro
generali
tristan
wiTelaSvili
vis awyobs saprezidento
arCevnebis CaSla?
`axal informacias getyviT...~
wiTelaSvili:
soflebSi, dicsa da dvanSi
rac
xdeba,
es
aris
saqarTveloSi 1992 wlidan
dawyebuli tragediis gagrZeleba. ram ganapiroba rusuli mxaris aseTi agresia Cveni qveynis winaaRmdeg, es aris
axla saintereso. saqme isaa,
rom aTeuli wlis winaT dawyebul agresias gagrZelebis
saSualebas aZlevs im periodSi `gamoCekili~ politikuri
gundi. am gunds jer moqkavSiri erqva, mere ki nacionalebi daarqves, Tumca maTi
arsi da mizani ar Secvlila.
rusuli agresiis gverdis
avla da diplomatiur WrilSi maTTan urTierTobis mogvareba yovelTvis SesaZlebeli iyo, magram es pirvel
rigSi ar Sedioda am politikuri gundis interesebSi.
afxazeTis omSi erT-erTi
meTauri viyavi, samaCablos
orive omSic vmonawileobdi
da Zalian kargad vici, ra
rogor xdeboda.
ratom awyobda am gunds
Cveni areuloba,
teritoriebis dakargva,
an konkretulad ris
Semswre iyaviT?
daviwyeb imiT, rom ruseTs ar
awyobs, mezobeli saqarTvelo
natos wevri gaxdes da cxadia, amisTvis yvelafers
akeTebs. cdilobs, amaSi maqsimalurad SegviSalos xeli,
rasac Tavisi agentebis xe-
liT aRwevs kidec. swored es
gundi aris da iyo masTan
Sekruli da agenturul
saqmianobasac yovelTvis is
eweoda, ra Tqma unda, SefarviT. amas isini mxolod ruseTis siyvarulis gamo ar
akeTebdnen.
am
saqmeSi
rogorc politikuri, aseve
samxedro kuTxiT piradi
sargebelic hqondaT. axla ar
visaubreb am jgufma ruseTs
rogor Seuwyo xeli afxazeTisa da samaCablos pirvel
omSi. qveynis gamyidvelma kastam maSin kargad gamoiyena
qveyanaSi Seqmnili anarqiuli
mdgomareoba, romelic aseve
specsamsaxurebis xeliT iyo
gakeTebuli. yvelafris Sedegi ki, gmirTa moedanze, gardacvlili gmirebis memorialia, romelzec am omebis yvelaze saSineli Sedegia asaxuli. aranaklebi gaxldaT
Cveni
teritoriebis
ruseTisTvis gadacema da
`langriT~ mirTmeva, romlis
Sedegadac, am jgufma Cvens
qveyanaSi xelisufleba xan-
grZlivi periodiT Caigdo
xelSi, Tavad ki politikurad da materialurad
Zalian moZlierda. es swored
am omebisa da Cveni udidesi
zaralis Sedegad moxda. Seqmnili mdgomareobiT gayoyoCebuli saakaSvili axla
yoveldRiurad
uTmobs
ruseTs Cvens teritorias da
warmatebiT
asrulebs
proeqts, romelsac piradad
2006 wlidan udgas saTaveSi.
Tavis droze, roca
cxinvalSi
avtonomiuri
olqi gauqmda, is qvemo qarTlis erT-erTi Semadgeneli
nawili gaxda. saakaSvilma ki
Zveli statusi aRudgina samaCablos teritorias im
sazRvrebSi, romelic komunistebis periodSi arsebobda.
anu mTeli uflebebi daubruna mas da prezidentad daniSna sanakoevi, romelic me
mkiTxeT, vinc iyo. is gaxldaT `feesbes~ oficeri. 1992
wels meTaurobda osur
batalions, Semdeg cxinvalSi
uSiSroebis sabWos mdivani
gaxda. warmoidgineT, kaci,
romelic `feesbes~ emsaxureboda wlebis manZilze,
qarTul saqmes rogor gaakeTebda?! es iyo rusuli
proeqti, romelic SeniRbulad xorcieldeboda am bandis mier da maTi moqmedebis
mimarTuleba dRemde saerTod ar Secvlila.
Tu saakaSvili rusul
proeqts axorcielebs
saqarTveloSi, maSin
gaeroSi, oriode dRis
win, misi mkacri
gamosvla rogor unda
avxsnaT? amis gamo xom
rusulma delegaciam
darbazic ki datova?!
saakaSvili dRes cdilobs
saprezidento arCevnebis
CaSlas, rac igive provoka-
ciiT aris SesaZlebeli, 2008
wels rom moawyo. gaeroSi
misi aseTi gamosvla sworedac ruseTis wisqvilze asxamda wyals. pirdapir vacxadeb, rogorc samxedro piri,
es iyo misgan ruseTis kidev
erTi gamowveva, morigi TamaSi, rom Cvens qveyanaSi areuloba gamoiwvios. ruseTTan
urTierTobebis dalageba
gaeroSi muStebis braxuniT
rom ver moxerxdeba, es man
mSvenivrad icis. ruseTs Cven
samxedro ZaliT ver davupirispirdebiT, rac aseve
kargad moexseneba. saWiroa
politikuri balansi, Tu diplomatiuri gasaRebi ar movuZebneT mas, verafers mivaRwevT, saakaSvili ki mainc
midis am uazro qmedebebze,
rac kidev erTi dasturia
imisa, rac zemoT giTxariT.
gaeroSi misi mkacri
gamosvla provokacia da
dapirispirebis
mcdeloba ratom aris?
msofliom ar unda
gaigos, rasac okupanti
ruseTi saqarTveloSi
akeTebs?
albaT, dameTanxmebiT, rom,
pirvel rigSi, imaze unda vifiqroT, Cvens saqmes rogor
mivxedoT da mas ra ufro
metad waadgeba. provokaciuli gancxadebebiT ruseTis
gaRizianebas rac mosdevs,
araerTxel davinaxeT. axla
getyviT samxedro kuTxiT
rac xdeba da mixvdebiT, rom
misi gamosvla mxolod provokacias
emsaxureboda.
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(005)
(005)oTxSabaTi,
saqarTvelos sahaero sivrces dRes ruseTi akontrolebs. gia baramiZe 200910 wlebSi, roca saxelmwifo
ministri iyo, gamodioda da
rusul gazeTebSi laparakobda, rom saqarTvelo kvlav
gaagrZelebs ukrainidan SeteviTi iaraRisa da teqnikis
Sesyidvebs. es xdeboda imis
Semdeg, ruseTma rom gamoacxada, saqarTvelom xeli
unda
moaweros
Tavdausxmelobis dokumentso. baramiZis gancxadebebiT
ki, lavrovis uwyebas saSualeba mieca, evropis tribunebidan yvirili aetexa, _
xom vambobdiT, rom saqarTvelo kvlav TavdasxmisTvis
emzadebao?! amis Semdeg
ruseTma afxazeTisa da samaCablos teritoriebze ganalaga `e-300~-ebi da amaSi
xeli veravin veRar SeuSala.
am teqnikis saSualebiT ki,
ruseTma daiwyo saqarTvelos
sahaero sivrcis kontroli.
nebismieri samxedro Tu samoqalaqo tvirTis kontroli
SeuZlia amis saSualebiT. `natoSi~ Tu avRaneTis mimarTulebiT Cvengan ra midis
da modis, yvelafris saqmis
kursSia rusuli mxare, rac
moxda `nacmoZraobis~ provokaciuli qmedebis Sedegad.
maT ruseTs xel-fexi gauxsnes amis gasakeTeblad.
okupant
ruseTs
uWiravs strategiuli adgilebi, sadac ganlagebuli
aqvs Tavisi qvedanayofebi.
Semdgomi moqmedebisTvis
pozicia ukve SerCeuli aqvs,
saokupacio zolic gaavlo
da Tavdacvis zRudeebis
mSeneblobac daiwyo. es yvelaferi rom SeinarCunos, is
da omi wamoiwyo. marTalia,
amas TavgamodebiT uaryofs,
magram
samxedroebis
garkveul jgufs amis uamravi
samxili gvaqvs. mas dokumenturad vamzadebT haagis
tribunalisTvis. Cveni qveynis
umaRles mTavarsardalsac
da im generalitetsac,
romelic am provokaciaSi
monawileobda, aucileblad
mouwevT tribunalis winaSe
wardgoma da konkretuli
faqtebis dadebis Semdeg am
saqmis specialistebs ras
etyvian, mere vnaxavT.
axalma xelisuflebam aqtiuri qmedebebi daiwyo ruseTTan diplomatiuri
enis gamosanaxavad, magram
saakaSvili cdilobs, provokaciuli qmedebebiTa da
viTom mkacri gancxadebebiT
es procesebi CaSalos, rac
qveynisTvis didi zianis momtani iqneba. Tavad saakaSvilisTvis ki es iqneba vadis
gagrZelebis kidev erTi SesaZlebloba.
sazrisiT xelSi aeRo kontroli mTel kavkasiaze. es
saakaSvilis daxmarebiT moxerxda kidec. ruseTi mas iaraRad, Cveni axali xelisuflebis winaaRmdegac iyenebs.
rogor iyenebs?
ruseTs unda, rom es xelisuflebac
iseve
marTos,
rogorc miSas marTavs. Tu
man
ver
daimorCila
saqarTveloSi mosuli axali
Zala, ager hyavs saakaSvili
li rusuli divizia udgas,
saidanac xorcieldeba kontroli rogorc iranze,
aseve TurqeTze. am diviziis
perioduli aRWurvisTvis ki
saqarTvelos teritoria
unda gaiaros. garda amisa, is
dakargavs azerbaijansac.
samxedro TvalsazrisiT, iseTi strategiulia Cveni qveyana, ruseTi mas ase advilad
xelidan ar gauSvebs. CvenTvis
sasargeblo nabijebi, mas
Tqven fiqrobT, rom
saakaSvilis gamosvlas
gaeroSi ruseTi kidev
erT `sadamsjelo~
reaqcias moayolebs?!
aucileblad da es Sedis maT
erTobliv gegmaSic. orive
xels vwev imaze, rom dResve
moxdes saqarTvelos teritoriebidan okupantis jarebis gayvana, magram es ase ver
moxdeba, radgan problema
SigniT gvaqvs. nacionaluri
da roca unda, maSin wamoayofinebs Tavs, sisuleleebs
Caatarebinebs, aTqmevinebs,
rasac ruseTi `adekvatur
reaqciebs~ moayolebs. es ki
iqneba axali xelisuflebis
gundi uSlis xels am molaparakebebsa da mimdinare
procesebs. saakaSvili akeTebs
rusul saqmes, xalxo, da riT
ver gaigeT es?! mas arasdros
gaukeTebia iseTi saqme,
romelic Cvens qveyanas politikursa Tu ekonomikur winsvlas moutanda. uaress
getyviT, roca saakaSvilma
moaxerxa
da
ruseTs,
saqarTveloSi arsebuli mTeli strategiuli obieqtebi,
teritoriebi gadaca, misTvis
saWiro iyo da daavales
kidec, rom samxedro Tval-
TavSi Cartyma. saokupacio
zolis gadmoweva, garkveulwilad, amis mesijic aris
ruseTisgan. is eubneba Cvens
xelisuflebas, _ unda dammorCildeo. miSa da `nacbanda~ ruseTisTvis is Zalaa,
romelsac xan gaacocxlebs
da xanac daaZinebs. `nacionaluri
moZraoba~
dRes
opoziciis rangSi rom gvyavs
gamocxadebuli, esec ruseTis damsaxurebaa. ruseTma
rom dakargos saqarTvelo,
amiT gavlenas mxolod Cvenze ki ara, somxeTzec dakargavs, arada gvimrSi mas mTe-
axali ambebi
galis raionSi
mamakaci gaitaces
galis raionSi sakuTari
saxlidan 45 wlis mamakaci
gaitaces. gamtaceblebi
ojaxs ukve daukavSirdnen da
Seatyobines, rom noSrevan
miqava maT hyavdaT. rogorc
ojaxis wevrebi ganmartaven
gamtaceblebs Tanxis odenoba am droisTvis ar
daukonkretebiaT.
gavrcelebuli informaciiT, 45 wlis noSrevan
miqavas gataceba Txilis
gayidvis Sedegad aRebul
Tanxas ukavSirdeba da
gamtaceblebi, savaraudod,
50 000 dolars iTxoven.
SegaxsenebT, rom galis
raionSi gatacebis es ukve
mesame SemTxvevaa.
nabij-nabij, molaparakebebiT, diplomatiiT unda gadavadgmevinoT, rasac misi
agenti saakaSvili axal xelisuflebas ar acdis.
rac unda gaakeTos
saakaSvilma, is mesame
vadiT prezidenti ver
gaxdeba. is midis.
Zalagamoclili miSa
kidev, ruseTs raSi
gamoadgeba da ager
vnaxavT, axali
xelisufleba ruseTTan
ra diplomatias
gamoiyenebs?!
mas haeridanac gaakontrolebs da xmeleTidanac,
rasac akeTebs kidec da es
arc unda gagvikvirdes. saintereso is aris, mis qmedebebs
Cven provokaciulad rom
vpasuxobT da axali iniciativisken vubiZgebT, amis Sanss
vaZlevT da taqtikur ileTebs ar mivmarTavT?! ZaRlis Tavi swored amaSia damarxuli da garigebis suni
aqedan etyoba. gaeroSi miSas
viTom xelebis qneva igivea,
rac saakaSvilma 2008 wels
gaiTamaSa provokaciulad
getyviT: roca sabrZolo
moqmedebebis dros organizebulad gadadixar Setevaze,
mowinaaRmdege
mxare
yovelTvis cdilobs, SenTan
Sida areuloba gamoiwvios.
Seni SenaerTi gaxados demoralizebuli da umarTavi, riTac is sargeblobs. es qmedeba, didi albaTobiT, mowinaaRmdege mxaris sasargeblod mTavrdeba xolme,
hoda, mec axla am taqtikur
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17
is mxolod prezidentobidan
midis, magram nacionalur
ZalasTan erTad SeuZlia
qveyanaSi garkveuli qmedebebi moaxdinos da didi areuloba gamoiwvios. misi Zala
rCeba parlamentSi, mTavrobaSi, sxvadasxva Tanamdebobebze
da bunebrivia, amis SesaZlebloba mas kidev eqneba.
saakaSvilma rom SeinarCunos
skami, gavlena da specsamsaxurebis davalebebic Seasrulos, amisTvis yvelaferzea
wamsvleli. arCevnebamde, piradad, omsac velodebi
ruseTisgan, riTac miSas
prezidentobis vada gaugrZeldeba. Tu, sabednierod, es
ar moxda, nacionaluri Zala
mainc ar daamSvidebs qveyanas.
roca qveyanaSi aris qaosi, iq
kontroli dakargulia. erT
samxedro
saidumloebas
svlas vamCnev.
Tu es yvelaferi axalma
xelisuflebam icis,
ratom aZlevs uflebas
saakaSvilsa da
`nacmoZraobas~, aseTi
formiT iTamaSon?
ratom tovebs maT
kadrebs xelisuflebaSi,
wamyvan Tanamdebobebze?
xels uwyoben, Tu ra
xdeba?
axal informacias getyviT.
am dReebSi damikavSirdnen
Tavdacvis saministrodan da
mTxoves, maTTvis mimetana is
dokumentebi, romelsac haagisTvis vagrovebT, magram es
ar gavakeTe da iciT, ratom?
is adamianebi, romlebic
saakaSvilis binZur saqmeebSi
monawileobdnen, vinc misi
davalebebis ubadlo Semsruleblebi iyvnen da mtris
wisqvilze wyals Tvaldauxamxameblad asxamdnen, am uwyebaSi dRemde Tanamdebobebze sxedan. gamodis, rom maT
xelSi unda moxvdes es dokumentebi. Tavdacvis saministros generaluri Stabi, kapanaZis garda, mTlianad
saakaSvilis xalxiT aris kvlav dakompleqtebuli da
axla warmoidgineT, is mtkicebulebebi, romlebic Cven
gvaqvs, maT xelSi rom moxvdeba, ras uzamen?! Tumca
prokuraturidan is xalxic
dainteresda amiT, romlebic
maTi kadrebi ar arian. maT
vaCvene dokumentebi, rogor
vaWrobdnen iaraRiT saakaSvili da misi maRalCinosnebi.
gaocebulebi mekiTxebodnen,
nuTu es marTaliao? utyuari
faqtebi warvudgine da imedia, reagirebas moaxdenen.
Tumca es ar niSnavs imas, rom
haagaSi miSas da misi banditi
xelisuflebis
sagmiro
saqmeebi aRar moxvdeba. es
kaci swored tibunalma unda
dasajos da asec iqneba.
Sss-m ganzrax
mkvlelobis
mcdelobis faqtze
erTi piri daakava
Sss-s aWaris mTavari sammarTvelos TanamSromlebma
1987 wels dabadebuli vaxtang C. ganzrax mkvlelobis
mcdelobis da cecxlsasroli iaraRis ukanono SeZenaSenaxva-tarebis braldebiT
daakaves.
gamoZiebam daadgina, rom
baTumSi, gamsaxurdias quCaze, N6-Si mcxovreb irakli civnariZes, romelic
sakuTari saxlis aivanze
idga, saxlis mopirdapired
mdgomma braldebulma cecxlsasroli iaraRidan gasroliT erTi
Wriloba miayena da mimalva scada. samarTaldamcvelebma vaxtang C. SemTxvevis adgilidan ramdenime
metrSi,
cxel
kvalze
daakaves. dakavebulis piradi Cxrekisas danaSaulis
iaraRi - pistoleti nivTmtkicebis saxiT amoiRes.
daWrili gadayvanilia
baTumis respublikur saavadmyofoSi.
gamoZieba ganzrax mkvlelobis mcdelobis da
cecxlsasroli iaraRis
marTlsawinaaRmdego SeZenaSenaxva-tarebis faqtze mimdinareobs (sssk-is 236-e da
19-108-e muxlebiT).
axali ambebi
18 premieri
axali ambebi
Sss-m
narkorealizaciis
faqtze iranis
moqalaqe daakava
samarTaldacavebma
narkotikuli saSualebis
ukanono SeZena-SenaxvagasaRebis da saqarTveloSi
ukanono Semotanis faqtze
iranis moqalaqe seidin sabah e. daakaves.
gamoZiebam daadgina, rom
braldebuli saqarTveloSi
iranidan vales sasazRvro
gamSvebi punqtis gavliT Semovida da gasaRebis mizniT
Semoitana gansakuTrebiT
didi odenobiT narkotiku-
li saSualeba “heroini”. samarTaldamcvelebma seidin
sabah e. narkotikuli SaSualebis gasaRebis faqtze
imave
dRes
TbilisSi
daakaves.
samarTaldamcvelebma
dakavebulis piradi Cxrekisas amoiRes narkotikuli
saSualeba, romelsac is
yidda, da 2000 aSS dolari,
romelic man narkotikis
realizaciis Sedegad miiRo.
seidin sabah e-s droebiTi sacxovrebeli binis
Cxrekisas samarTaldamcvelebma aseve amoiRes
narkotikuli saSualeba
“heroini”. sul amoRebulia
23,4708 gr narkotikuli saSualeba, romelic 9,2187 gr
“heroins” Seicavs.
narkologiurma eqspertizam daadgina, rom braldebuli dakavebisas narkotikuli nivTierebis zemoqmedebis qveS imyofeboda.
gamoZieba gansakuTrebiT
didi odenobiT narkotikuli saSualebis ukanono SeZena-Senaxva-gasaRebis da
narkotikuli saSualebis
saqarTvelos teritoriaze
ukanono Semotanis faqtze
mimdinareobs (sssk-is 260-e
muxlis me-3 nawilis “a” qvepunqtiT da 262-e muxlis 1li nawiliT).
axali ambebi
oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013 #5 (005)
ramaz sayvareliZe:
`eqspertebis
pozicia
mxolod
xelisuflebas
daakldeba~
levan jiSkariani
`premieri~ eqspert ramaz
sayvareliZes esaubra:
batono ramaz, TqvenTan
gansakuTrebiT
saintereso iqneba
saubari premierministrisa da
politologebis
Sexvedraze, raki ara
mxolod eqsperti
brZandebiT, aramed
fsiqologic. mainc,
rogor gaCnda es idea,
vin iyo eqspertebTan
gaxmaurebuli Sexvedris
organizatori da
icodiT Tu ara, rom is
aseT formatSi
Catardeboda da
pirdapir eTerSi
gadaicemoda? da
saerTod, rogor moxda
Tqveni miwveva SuSis
sasaxleSi?
idea rogor gaCnda, ver
getyviT. iseve, rogorc es ar
icis iq myof kolegaTa didma nawilma. me, piradad, wina
dRes damirekes premier-ministris administraciidan,
Semdeg eleqtronuli werilic miviRe mowveviT, rom 4
saaTze iqneboda Sexvedra
politikur eqspertebTan.
roca im Sexvedraze mivdiodi, manqanis radioTi movismine, rom is pirdapir
eTerSi gadaicemoda. mxolod es informacia mqonda, sanam darbazSi Sevidodi. danarCeni ki msvlelobisas irkveoda nel-nela.
anu TqvenTvis
moulodneli iyo, rom
premier-ministri sajaro
diskusias gamarTavda
eqspertebTan, Tu,
gamomdinare masTan
urTierTobis
gamocdilebidan, amas
elodiT kidec?
iciT, ra? premierTan diskusia adrec yofila. piradad
CemTan mediadiskusiac hqonda, Tu gaxsovT, pirvel werilebSi, rodesac politikaSi
bic iTqmeba xolme, xolo sajarod cdilob, SedarebiT
rbili iyo.
daxuruli Sexvedrebic
mwvave iyo premierministrTan?
me mqonda xolme sakiTxebi,
romlebsac vsvamdi da am sakiTxebze midioda diskusia.
man CaTvala, rom Cveni
poziciebi sakamaToa. Cvenc,
rogorc naxeT, pozicia ar
Segvicvlia da ukan ar
wagviRia naTqvami. kamaTi
Cveulebrivi movlenaa da mas
didi politikuri datvirTva ar aqvs...
magram erTia kamaTi, jer
zogjer, vTqvaT, politikuri
partia akeTebs xolme situaciis mZime Sefasebas, magram
aris Tu ara situacia marTla esoden mZime, es kamaTis
sagania. SesaZloa, gamoTqmul
azrsac hqondes politikuri
datvirTva. amdenad, kamaTi
mainc SeiZleba iyos saWiro
imisTvis, raTa daicva Seni
pozicia. Cveni mxriv, SegveZlo premierisTvis kiTxva
Segvebrunebina, rom misi
poziciac ar iyo yovelTvis
dasabuTebuli. anu kamaTi
yovelTvis dasabuTebebze ar
igeba. miT umetes analitikuri msjeloba. Cven xom
analitikosebi varT da
eqspertebs gvarqmeven... analizis miRma ki yovelTvis SeiZleba ar idges dasabuTebuli empiriuli argumentacia.
iseve, rogorc premierTan
yovelTvis ar idga aseTi
argumentacia.
gia nodia Tu iyo
miwveuli am Sexvedraze?
es namdvilad ar vici.
mosvlaze ganacxada. im werilSi
erT-erTi,
visac
poziciebis gamo ekamaTeboda,
me viyavi. mTlianobaSi, diskusia gasakviri ar aris: adamiani ar geTanxmeba da amas
sajarod ambobs. biZina
ivaniSvilTan mediis gareSe
diskusiac gvqonia, msjelobac gvqonia. anu, gulwrfelad rom giTxraT, ufro
am tipis samuSao Sexvedras
velodi, vidre saubars, gaSuqebuls farTo sazogadoebis
masStabiT. daxurul Sexvedraze xom ufro mZime ramee-
yvirili da kamaTic momxdara. sxvaTa Soris, erT-erTi
yvelaze mZafri mokamaTe
giorgi margvelaSvili iyo.
is arasdros ukan ar ixevda
ivaniSvilTan diskusiisas, maSin rodesac bevr sxvas euxerxuleboda diskusiaSi CarTva. Tumca kamaTis sicxare absoluturad ar niSnavs
damokidebulebis cvlilebas.
premierisTvis es diskusia
savsebiT misaRebi iyo. ivaniSvils uyvars kamaTi da vinc
yvelaze mwvaved ekamaTeba,
isic uyvars. faqti saxezea.
kidev arCevnebis win,
ivaniSvilsa da
margvelaSvils Soris,
politikur programebze,
nabijebze da ase Semdeg
da sul sxvaa kamaTi
Tqvens gamonaTqvamebze,
rodesac premieri Tqveni
interviuebisa da
gamonaTqvamebis gamo
gkicxavT, Tanac sajarod.
nuTu, aq veraviTar
gansxvavebas ver xedavT?
diax, gansxvaveba aris da
Tqven samarTlianad SeniSneT
es niuansi. Tumca, am mxriv,
gamonaTqvami da mosazrebac
SeiZleba iyos kamaTis sagani.
amas imitom gekiTxebiT,
rom miwveulTa vinaobac
sainteresoa. xom ar
geCvenebaT, rom biZina
ivaniSvilma ZiriTadad
swored is eqspertebi
migiwviaT, romlebic jer
kidev 2011 wlidan mis
gundSi moiazrebodiT.
rogorc Cans, Tqvengan
is cota sxvanair
damokidebulebasa da
gamonaTqvamebs elis...
marTlac, Zneli SesamCnevi ar
aris, rom aqcenti im analitikosebze gakeTda, vinc,
zogadad, kritikuli iyo `nacionaluri moZraobis~ mimarT. Tumca aramxolod. es
SesaZloa, aqcenti iyo, ma-
premieri
#5 (005) oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013
gram ara erTaderTi. iq
iyvnen eqspertebi, romlebic
`nacionaluri moZraobis~
drosac aqtiurad moRvaweobdnen da dResac xSirad icaven `nacionaluri
moZraobis~ poziciebs.
anu, gamodis, es
yovelive TqvenTvis
misaRebi iyo, Tumca vaJa
beriZem aseTi
ritorikuli SekiTxvac
dasva: SegiZliaT,
warmoidginoT, rom
britaneTis premierma
politologebi sajarod
gakicxos maTi
gamonaTqvamebisa da
mosazrebebis gamo? es
ra, axali stilia,
romelsac batoni biZina
amkvidrebs?
Tu biZina ivaniSvils mxolod
Tanamdebobis pirad ganvixilavT, maSin amgvari ram marTlac ar aris misaRebi. anu
dauSvebelia, Zalauflebis
mqone adamianma vinme akritikos mxolod mosazrebebis
gamo, radgan yovelTvis igulisxmeba, rom misi Zalaufleba am diskusiaSi SeiZleba damatebiTi faqtori iyos.
ese igi amgvari dueli uTanasworo iqneba. magram Cven
vcdilobdiT sxvagvarad
gagvego situacia: rom Cven
win ijda ubralod adamiani,
romelsac gansxvavebuli mosazrebebi aqvs da masTan vkamaTobT. aq orive mxare
vgulisxmobT, rom, Tu raime
damatebiTi faqtorebi, anu
Zalaufleba da administrireba, ar iqneba gamoyenebuli, maSin es, ubralod, adamianuri diskusiaa da premieria pirovneba, romelsac
gansxvavebuli pozicia aqvs,
ese igi ar apirebs, Tanamdeboba gamoiyenos gansxvavebuli mosazrebebis gamo.
ki, premier-ministri
marTlac adamiania da
misi fsiqologiuri
portreti Tua TqvenTvis,
rogorc
fsiqologisTvis,
naTeli am gaugonari
movlenis Semdeg, rac
SuSis sasaxleSi moxda?
(icinis)
adamianis
fsiqologiuri portretis
ageba esoden ioli ar aris.
xandaxan fsiqoTerapevtebs
wlebi sWirdebaT, rom erTi
adamianis fsiqoportreti
gaigon. miT umetes, esoden
rTuli
pirovnebisa,
rogoric biZina ivaniSvilia.
Tumca erTi ram cxadia: mas
diskusia Zalian uyvars. sul
sinjavs Tavis poziciebs am
diskusiaSi. nu CavTliT, rom,
Tu ukan ar ixevs, maSasadame,
pozicias ar icvlis. mas
pozicia xSirad Seucvlia.
ubralod, uyvars es procesi
– kamaTi. ar examuSeba mopasuxis
emociuroba
da
simZafre. TviTonac emociuria xolme diskusiisas.
is faqti, rom arc
zviad gamsaxurdias, arc
eduard SevardnaZes, arc
mixeil saakaSvils
eqspertebTan da
politologebTan
sajaro diskusia ar
gaumarTavT, sxvadasxva
mizeziTaa
ganpirobebuli, Tu raime
erTiani saxelisuflebo
da politikuri
kanonzomierebiT?
isini Jurnalistebs xvdebodnen, magram Jurnalisti mxolod kiTxvas svams, anu diskusiaSi CarTvis ufleba ar
aqvs.
xelisuflebisTvis
sirTules warmoadgens, Tuki
meore mxare ekamaTeba.
`
ise, saakaSvils
araTu eqspertebTan,
JurnalistebTan
Sexvedrac, ese igi
kiTxvebze pasuxis gacemac
`
ar undoda.
maTze, rac biZinam
uqnaT~ da ase Semdeg.
xom ar gamoiwvevs es
yovelive eqspertuli
Tanamegobrobisa da
TviT am fenomenis
diskreditacias, misi
avtoritetisa da
`smenadobis~ Semcirebas?
iciT, ra? me, magaliTad,
arasdros miTxovia JurnalistisTvis, Seni Wirime Cemgan
interviu aiRe-meTqi. imdeni
saqme maqvs Cemi profesiidan
(fsiqologi var) gamomdinare, rom es yovelive mxolod tvirTia. Tu amgvari
Sexvedrebis Sedegad mosax-
axsniT am gancxadebas?
amgvari ram ivaniSvils xSirad uTqvams, maT Soris merabiSvilzec. adeiSvili rom
marTlac yvelaze Wkviani iyo
im gundSi, es cxadia. ivaniSvilis poziciaSi ki, adeiSvilis mimarT, problematuri
mxolod is iyo, rom TiTqos
ara saakaSvili, is sxvanairi
iqneboda da sxva xelisufals
kargad moemsaxureboda. bevri adamiani vici, romelic
politikuri Tu sxva Sexedulebis gamo ar monawileobda ama Tu im saxelisuflebo
struqturebSi. Cemi CaTvliT
Tqven mier CamoTvlili
politikosebisTvis diskusia
eqspertebTan miuRebeli iqneboda. amitomac eridebodnen
amgvar formats. anu am mxrivac, ivaniSvilis nabijs
Zalze gabeduls davarqmevdi.
Tumca, mediis gareSec saintereso iqneboda Sexvedra,
radgan mediis TandaswrebiT
leoba eqspertebis mimarT
skeptikurad
ganewyoba,
CemTvis es ufro meti siamovneba iqneba. aRar meqneba
safiqrali, romeli sityva
vTqva da romeli _ ara. mTlianad gavTavisufldebi am
tvirTisgan. anu me bevri
araferi damakldeba. ai,
visac daakldeba eqspertebis
vityodi amas. magram armonawileoba sulac ar niSnavs, rom ar SegveZlo wina
xelisuflebasTan davaxloebuliyaviT. ubralod, aris
raRacebi, ris uflebasac
sakuTar Tavs ar miscem. gulubryvilobad mimaCnia, rom,
Tu adamiani sxvisi dakveTiT
raime cuds Caidens, es mas am-
bevri ramis Tqmis ufleba ar
miveciT Cvens Tavs.
pozicia, es iqneba xelisufleba.
ise, xalxSi, anu masaSi am
Sexvedras aseTi
gamoxmaureba mohyva:
`gagviWirves saqme am
eqspertebma, ra...
axia
im Sexvedraze
adeiSvilis Sesaxeb
premieris gancxadeba
bevrma aRiqva, rogorc
gamaognebeli. Tqven riT
arTlebs. cdunebas rom gauZlos adamianma, esaa Rirseba,
Torem Tu yvela cdunebas
ahyva, maSin mis Wkuasa da
profesionalizms ufro meti
cudis motana SeuZlia, vidre
kargis.
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axali ambebi
Tea wulukiani
moqalaqis qveynidan
gasvlis wesebze
momzadebuli
kanonproeqtis
ufro met
gamWvirvaleobas
moiTxovs
saqarTvelos iusticiis
ministri Tea wulukiani moqalaqis qveynidan gasvlis
wesebze momzadebuli kanonproeqtis ufro met gamWvirvaleobas moiTxovs.
“kanoni unda iyos ara mxolod moqalaqisTvis naTeli - risi ufleba aqvs da
risi ufleba ar aqvs,
agreTve naTeli unda iyos
im sajaro moxelisTvisac,
romelic am kanons gamoiyenebs. dRevandeli formulirebiT ra Tqma unda es
kanonsproeqti garkveul
SezRudvebs aZlevs sajaro
moxeles, rac Cemi azriT,
dazustebas da daxvewas
saWiroebs,”- ganacxada Tea
wulukianma.
SegaxsenebT,
rom
“saqarTvelos moqalaqeebis
saqarTvelodan gasvlisa da
saqarTveloSi Semosvlis
wesebis Sesaxeb” kanonSi
dagegmil cvlilebeebis
Tanaxmad, saqarTvelos moqalaqes qveynidan gasvlaze,
pasportis
gacemaze,
pasportis moqmedebis vadis
gagrZelebaze,
aseve
sazRvris gadakveTaze saxelmwifo an sazogadoebrivi
usafrTxoebis dacvis interesebidan gamomdinare
SesaZloa, uari eTqvas.
cnobisTvis, konstituciis 22-e muxliT gaTvaliswinebuli regulaciebis
Tanaxmad, yvelas, vinc kanonierad imyofeba saqarTveloSi, SeuZlia, Tavisuflad
gavides saqarTvelodan.
konstituciaSi arniSnulia,
rom am uflebaTa SezRudva
SeiZleba mxolod kanonis
Sesabamisad, demokratiuli
sazogadoebis arsebobisaTvis aucilebeli saxelmwifo uSiSroebis an sazogadoebrivi usafrTxoebis
uzrunvelyofis, janmrTelobis dacvis, danaSaulis
Tavidan acilebis an marTlmsajulebis ganxorcielebis mizniT.
axali ambebi
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20132-8#5oqtomber
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kviridan kviramde
kviridan kviramde
kviridan kviramde
kviridan kviramde
kviridan kviramde
ZiriTadi tendencia
27 seqtemberi; Tanainvestirebis f
zurab RoRoberiZe
g
asul
kviras
saqarTvelosa da
afxazeTSi sazareli omis damTavrebis oci wlisTavi
aRniSnes. iyo dro,
rodesac aseTi sityvaTSeTanxmeba
(`saqarTvelo da afxazeTi~) samarTlian agresiasa da sazogadoebis aRSfoTebas iwvevda:
`gana afxazeTi saqarTvelos
ganuyofeli nawili, misi sisxli da xorci ar aris? es xom
qarTuli miwaa?~ magram mas Semdeg bevrma wyalma Caiara mtkvarSic, engurSic, fsouzec da
gumisTazec. amitom, samwuxarod da savalalod, Zveleburad
aRar `wvavs~, raki realoba,
mogwons Tu ara, adre Tu gvian, mainc gaiZulebs, miiRo is
ara iseTad, rogoric ginda,
aramed rogoricaa sinamdvileSi.
tradiciulad,
`
omis iubiles
saqarTveloSi 27
seqtembers aRniSnaven,
xolo afxazeTSi - 30
seqtembers. unda
vaRiaroT, rom
separatistuli aRqma am
SemTxvevaSic bevrad
ufro relevanturi,
jansaRi da logikuria:
swored 1993 wlis 30
seqtembers, afxazuri da
Cerqezuli
formirebebi, CeCenkazakTa mcirericxovani
minareviT, gavidnen
mdinare engurze da
gamarjvebis SeRluRi
moawyves.
`
TiTqmis mTeli Ramis ganmavlobaSi zeimobdnen, – isrodnen caSi, romelic amgvari
foierverkiT ganaTda. Cerqezma sulTan sosnalievma (afxazeTis Tavdacvis ministrma,
romelsac `e.w.~-s ver vuwodebT, raki e.w. qarTuli generalitetisgan gansxvavebiT,
gaimarjva da daamtkica, rom
marTla ministri iyo da marTla omisa) soxumSi Casul ZaRlTapir arZinbas boTliT enguris wyali Cautana.
27 seqtembers ki soxumi
daeca da swored es dRe ganasaxierebs qarTvelobisTvis istoriul
marcxs.
arada,
samxedro TvalsazrisiT, afxazeTis centrSi mdebare qalaqis dacemas omis damTavreba
ratom unda gamoewvia?
`
nuTu ar SeiZleboda
TavdacviTi zRudeebis
Seqmna kelasurze an
Tundac RaliZgaze?
Tumca, amaze maSin vinRa
fiqrobda: mTavaria,
samoqalaqo omSi
moegoT da swored
amitom, istoriulad
samarTliani iqneba,
ZaRlma uqnas imaT
saflavebs, vinc 1992
wlis 14 agvistos is
sabediswero omi
zustad am mizniT
daiwyo, raTa
samoqalaqo omi
samamulo omSi
gadaezarda da Tundac
meores wagebiT pirveli
mainc moego.
`
am saqmes rom aRaraferi
eSveleboda, jer kidev maSin
– 1993 wlis 30 seqtembris
RamiT esmoda yvelas, vinc sakuTar TavTan mainc ar midis
kompromisze, Torem 2003 wlis
revolucia mxolod istoriis
motyuebis ganwiruli mcdeloba gamodga. arada, istoria
aranair sxva kanonzomierebas
ar emorCileba, garda erTisa:
misi motyueba da `gadaTamaSeba~ SeuZlebelia.
rogorc Cans, dRes vubrundebiT normalur mdgomareobas, rodesac mTavari sazogadoebrivi
intencia
ara
RrubelTa koSkebi, aramed
yoveldRiuri sarCoa: biZina
ivaniSvilma, rogorc iqna, moaxerxa Tanainvestirebis fondis
dafuZneba. misi piradi wvlili
(oficialurad) miliardi dolaria, mTlianobaSi ki, fondSi
ukve 6 miliardia akumulirebuli, rac qveynis mimdinare
wlis biujets 2 miliardiT
aWarbebs.
upirvelesad, sainteresoa
partniorTa vinaoba: badri patarkaciSvilis ojaxi, romelic kvlav rCeba mniSvnelovan
moTamaSed, yovel SemTxvevaSi,
saqarTvelos finansur bazarze
(modi da nu daijereb marqsis
genialur mignebas, rom kapitals sakuTari cnobiereba
aqvs), agreTve, `yazaxi~ miliarderi aleqsandr maSkeviCi (ai, aq
ki brWyalebi savsebiT Ê ìåñòó
. im anekdotisa ar iyos, andrei saxarovs rom ekiTxebian:
`ra gvari xarT?~ _ saxarovi.
`ufro zustad?~ _ saxareviCi,
`kidev ufro zustad?~ _ cukermani), azerbaijanis saxelmwifo sanavTobo kompania da
ramdenime ofSoruli sainvesticio fondi, romelTa miRma
daviT iakobaSvili da ruseTSi
moRvawe kidev ramdenime
qarTveli biznesmeni moiazreba. ise, sityvam moitana da
ruseTSi
mcxovrebi
200
qarTveli 50 miliard dolars
akontrolebs. amerikaSi mcxovrebi aTiaTasobiT qarTveli
emigrantis qoneba ki, erToblivad, ramdens Seadgens? bus
kvercxebs.
magram es ise, sxvaTa Soris
– lirikuli gadaxvevis saxiT.
yvelaze saintereso fondis
prezentaciaze mainc premierministris is gancxadeba aRmoCnda, rom fondi damoukideblad, ese igi Tanadafinansebis
gareSe ganaxorcielebs anakliaSi axali portis mSeneblobis proeqts, romlis tvirTbrunva weliwadSi 110 milioni
tona(!) iqneba.
yvelaferi SedarebaSi ukeT
aRiqmeba. mkiTxvelma rom warmoidginos, ra masStabzea
saubari, sakmarisia iTqvas, rom
`
foTisa da baTumis
portTa erToblivi
tvirTbrunva 10 milion
tonas ar aRemateba.
xolo 110 milioni
tona daaxloebiT
amerikis udidesi
portis, hiustonis
wliuri brunvaa. mereda,
lazikis proeqti, aba,
sxvas ras niSnavda?
`
miSam gaapiara is, rogorc
Savi zRvispireTSi lamis Tomazo kampanelaseuli `mzis qalaqis~ mSenebloba, Torem realurad swored es igulisxmeboda: grandiozuli porti,
romlis
momsaxurebisTvis
aucilebelia mTeli axali
qalaqis aSeneba.
saakaSvili varaudobda, rom
am qalaqSi iolad gadaasaxlebda depresiuli qarTuli soflis mcxovreblebs (TiTo
sofels TiTo samasbiniani korpusi eyofoda) xolo keTilmowyobili sacxovrisis sanacvlod saxelmwifosTvis gadacemuli sasoflo-sameurneo
miwebi gaiyideboda msxvil investorze, romelic did meurneobebs Seqmnida da SeZlebda
konkurentunariani produqciis gamoSvebas. am gegmiT,
TiTqos qarTul sofelsac eSveleboda da xalxic dasaqmdeboda.
zustad miSas
bavSvuri ocneba
sruleba ar
ekonomika `leg
iolad aawyo.
pirvel rigS
`
gaugeb
saidan
biZina rog
im 110 mi
tvirTis mo
gareSec mTe
marTla b
raSi sWi
gamtar
port
gamodis,
iva
partnioreb
xeli, miSas
albaT, daTv
dauTvlelad vi
gaiRebs milia
rs?
aseTi porti
sainvesticio f
fa. `lazikas~
`anaklias~, amiT
leba. mTavari is
am adgilas Savi
navsadguris a
romelSic didi
mebi SeZleben Se
sa da baTumSi k
modian.
axla ramdeni
aparakos dReva
mavalma mTav
arafer SuaSia,
lazikas aramed
vaSenebTo~, same
leoba amas ar d
`miStauns~ uwo
cionalebs~ mud
resurss Seuqmn
ina ivaniSvilis
saqarTvelos
unda iTqvas, ro
Si, kapitalist
sjabnis politi
romelic arc a
bula. imedi viqo
isti portis auc
mis saWiroebaSi
Torem fulis
uars
ityod
saqarTvelos u
bazris dafinan
misi uperspeqti
xolo is, r
politikosi ma
Tumca zogjer
eblieT gamosdi
an Sexvedram d
zogadoeba
gamorkveula S
gaucia pasuxi k
vin iwodeba eqspertad saqarTv
rogorc gmirs? gaeros diad
ZiriTadi tendencia
kviridan kviramde
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kviridan kviramde kviridan kviramde
ZiriTadi tendencia
fondi da lazikis aRorZineba;
s stilSi: lamazi
a, romelsac aRuweria, raki
go~ ar aris –
Si
baria an miSa
apirebda, an
gor apirebs
ilioni tona
ozidvas, ris
eli proeqti
avSvobaa? vis
irdeba aseTi
runarianobis
ti kavkasiaSi?
, raki saqmes
niSvilma da
bma mohkides
proeqti arc
iseTi sigiJe
yofila?
`
vlidnen, Torem
in marTla giJi
rdobiT dola-
is agebas mTeli
fondic ar eyodaarqmeven Tu
T arsi ar icvsaa, rom swored
zRva qmnis Rrma
agebis
Sanss,
i wyalwyvis geemosvlas. foTki isini ver Se-
ic ar unda ilandelma da movrobam, `miSa
Cven ara qalaq
port anaklias
egrelos mosaxdaijerebs, mainc
odebs da `nadmiv saarCevno
nis. Tumca, biZsasaxelod (da
sabednierod)
om am SemTxvevati ivanaSvili
ikos ivaniSvils,
arasdros arseonioT, kapitalcileblobasa da
ic ar Semcdara,
Cadebaze iseve
da,
rogorc
uZravi qonebis
nseba uaryo –
ivobis gamo.
rom ivaniSvili
rTla ar aris,
kargi ram unis, eqspertebTdaadastura. sadRemde
ver
Sokidan da ver
kiTxvisTvis: `ra
iyo es?~ ra mizans isaxavda, an
ra PR daniSnuleba hqonda?
erTaderTi logikuri axsna
mxolod isaa, rom ivaniSvilma
Sinnazardi `eqspertuli Tanamegobrobis~ daCmoreba gadawyvita xalxis TvalSi. xazs vusvam: ara elitisa, aramed xalxis.
arada, xalxSi, icocxle,
marTla xSirad gaigoneb: `uh,
ra kargi iyo, uh ra uqna, gagvi...
Wires saqme, santeqnikosebi
dairqvan awi da ara eqspertebio~. es gasagebia, magram visac
Wkua moekiTxeba, iman mainc
unda dasvas kiTxva: saerTod,
vin iTvleba saqarTveloSi
eqspertad, anu politologad
da analitikosad?
mTel msoflioSi eqspertebad (Tanac, dargebis mixedviT) iTvlebian is adamianebi,
visac specialuri codna aqvT
da maTi azri sainteresoa
swored kompetenturobis gamo.
Tumca gansxvavebiT, vTqvaT,
energetikis an ekonomikis
eqspertebisgan, politologebs kidev is privilegia
ekuTvniT, rom politikur
procesebze akeTeben komentars, gamoTqvamen prognozs,
aanalizeben movlenebs, pouloben maTSi saerTo mniSvnelsa da kanonzomierebas. oRond
politologia calke mecnierebaa da kompetenturoba (iseve,
rogorc nebismier sxva dargSi)
mxolod da mxolod naSromebiT ganisazRvreba. es Cveni
eqspertebi ki saerTod ras
warmoadgenen?
umravles
SemTxvevaSi mxolod `molaparake Tavebi~ arian da meti
araferi.
`
SuSis sasaxleSi~
Sekrebil eqspertTa
umravlesoba cnobilia
mxolod tele da
sagazeTo-saagento
interviuebiT. arc erTi
naSromi ara aqvT...
Tumca, razea laparaki –
araTu naSromi, ese igi
wigni, an gamokvleva,
aramed Tundac statia
ar dauweriaT! maTi
`puri~ mxolod
sainterviu
mWevrmetyveleba da
teleekranze brZnuli
gamometyvelebiT
qarTuli politikuri
intrigebis gauTavebeli
zelvaa.
pluaSi dasWirda, magram axla
aRar sWirdeba da `SuSis sasaxleSi~ gamarTuli Sexvedra SeiZleba eqspertTa epoqis dasasrulis dasawyisadac CaiTvalos.
zogierTi maTgani amas karga
xnis win mixvda, amitom `Seaswro~ da nacvlad `eqspertisa~, axla premier-ministris
generalur mrCevlad iTvleba.
saerTod, normalur qveyanaSi `eqspertuli Tanamegobroba~ iyofa segmentebad, sxvadasxva, konkurentul analiz-jgufebad, romlebsac Think
Tank-s uwodeben. xelisufleba, an dainteresebuli politikuri Tu biznes-jgufi, maT
ukveTs gamokvlevas, uxdis
fuls da isinic seriozulad
Sromoben, raTa konkretul
sakiTxze safuZvliani naSromi
moamzadon. interviuebi ki mxolod meoradi saqmianobaa.
arsad eqspertebs ar uwodeben
`telemotlikineTa legions~,
romelsac (Tu interviuebs ar
CavTvliT), erTi bwkaric ara
aqvT dawerili damoukideblad.
seriozul gamokvlevaze xom
laparakic zedmetia.
aqedan gamomdinare, ra mizanic ar unda hqonoda biZina
ivaniSvils im Sexvedris mowyobisas, obieqturad ise gamouvida (amgvari ram xSirad xdeba
xolme), rom erTi Zalian seriozuli problema wamoswia da
angaJirebul eqspertTa xanasac
uneblieT wertili dausva.
niSandoblivia, rom erTaderTi, vinc winaswar `motvina~, iq
rac iqneboda da Sexvedraze ar
mivida, soso ciskariSvili
gamodga. imitom, rom elementarulad Wkviani kacia da albaT, amiT mainc daimsaxura,
azrs ekiTxebodnen.
gasul kviris Zalian saintereso movlena iyo daxvedra,
romelic miSas aeroportSi
misma fanebma mouwyves. bunebrivia, am zeimma `antimiSistebis~ aRSfoTeba gamoiwvia, magram fenomeni axsnas saWiroebs.
uaxles istoriaSi ukve iyo
SemTxveva, rodesac `zviadistebis~ fanatizms antizviadistebi iol axsnas uZebnidnen: `es
ra debili da degenerati brboa~.
magram amgvari reaqcia ioli
gamosavalia. bevrad ufro Znelia (vimeoreb) fenomenis axsna
da imis aRiareba, rom
`
`
saparlamento arCevnebamde
isini ivaniSvils swored am am-
miSas popularoba,
pirvel rigSi,
amJamindeli
xelisuflebis
uunarobiT aixsneba -
gamoimuSaos qveynis
ganviTarebis, maT
Soris sagareo
politikis
alternatiuli
proeqti.
`
anu kudSi ki ar misCanCalebdes miSas gundis mier
niu-iorksa Tu dvan-dicSi Seqmnil `dRis wesrigs~, TuTiyuSiviT ki ar imeorebdes maT
mier damkvidrebul stereotipebsa da frazeologias, aramed
Tavad Seqmnas axali dRis wesrigi da axali stili, romelic
winasgan gansxvavebuli iqneba.
saamiso unars dRevandeli
(`axali~) xelisufleba namdvilad ver amJRavnebs, Sesabamisad, miSas stilic ualternativo Cans da ratomRa gikvirT,
rom gaeros tribunidan misi pasionaruli gamosvlis Semdeg
Tbilisis aeroportSi triumfalur daxvedras uwyoben?
arada xsenebuli `spiCi~,
Tavis mxriv, absoluturad
acdenilia globaluri politikis dRis wesrigs: maSin, rodesac mTeli msoflio, pirvel
rigSi dasavleTi, TvalebSi
Sescicinebs putins: egeba misi
daxmarebiT axlo aRmosavleTSi (israelisa da iranis mezoblad!) didi omi Tavidan aviciloTo, gamodis raRac gaugonari da gaugebari meore Georgia-s prezidenti da putins
`axuravs Tavze~.
da es xdeba maSin, rodesac
amerikis SeerTebulma Statebma sabolood Caisvara siriis
ambavSi: baSar asadis dasjis
moTxovna (qimiuri SetevisTvis
sakuTari
moqalaqeebis
winaaRmdeg) mxolod da mxolod qimiuri arsenalis
TvalTmaqcuri `kontrolis~
mcdelobaze daiyvana, riTac
ukve misca saSualeba moskovs,
moiTxovos siriaSi, Tanac
gaeros egidiT, rusi `cisferCafxutianebis~ Seyvana viTomdac gaeros inspeqtorebis dasacavad, romlebmac qimiuri iaraRis Zebnasa da ganadgurebaSi
unda miiRon monawileoba.
`
ama Tu im
teritoriaze rusi
`samSvidoboebis~ Seyvana
ras niSnavs, Cven ukve
viwvnieT. dasavleTic
male iwvnevs da, kacma
rom Tqvas, masze axic
iqneba, magram Cven
ratomRa unda
SevuSviroT Tavi
bombebs ukve meramdened
- 1992 wlidan?
`
veloSi? ratom xvdebian miSas,
di `spiCi~ da mware realoba
ZiriTadi tendencia
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22 premieri
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ra esaqmeba televiziaSi bhagavatas?
landebis lacici `sazmauSi~
mixeil gewaZe
is, rac amJamad
sazogadoebriv
mauwyebelSi xdeba,
aWarbebs yvelafers, rac
ki absurduli da
moulodneli momxdara
saqarTvelos bolo 20
wlis winaaRmdegobriv
da codvabralian
istoriaSi. es aris
procesi ara Tu
sikeTisa da borotebis,
aramed istoriuli
logikis miRma.
i
storia xSirad meordeba, rogorc
farsi, _ ambobda
XIX saukunis erTi
uxsenebeli moazrovne, magram
Tavdapirvelad is
viTardeba, rogorc trage-
dia. arsad arasdros momxdara, jer farsi Semdgariyo
da Semdeg tragedia, anu istoria ase aSkarad ukuRma Setrialebuliyo warsulisken,
isev da isev, yovelgvari
logikisa da kanonzomierebis sawinaaRmdegod. erTaderTi magaliTi, albaT, burbonTa dabrunebaa safrangeTis
samefo taxtze _ didi revoluciidan 25 wlis Semdeg.
eka kvesitaZisa da daTo
paiWaZis Jurnalisturi kariera aq yvelaze naklebad sainteresoa. mTavaria, ramdenad
Tavsdeba es yovelive movlenaTa da procesTa kanonzomierebaSi. is, rom Tavis
droze maT aranairi protes-
ti ar gamouTqvamT `pirveli
arxidan~ nato onianis an koka
yandiaSvilis gaSvebis gamo,
sulac ar niSnavs, rom dRes,
sruliad axal epoqaSi, `sazogadoebrivi mauwyebeli~ 10
an 20 wliT ukan unda dabrundes.
`
Tamaz tyemalaZe
mudmivad iseT
STabeWdilebas qmnis,
rom saSinlad
daRlilia da eZineba,
an axlaxan gaiRviZa da
koSmaruli sizmaric
`
naxa.
es aris mTlianad warsulis personaJi. im warsulisa,
rodesac Sedga misi identoba. arada, cnobilia, rom
identoba, raki Sedga, aRar
icvleba. tyemalaZes didi
xnis winaT Camoyalibebuli
Rirebulebebi aqvs da arc
gaemtyuneba, Tuki cdilobs
am RirebulebaTa realizebas
teleeTerSi. amitomac araa
SemTxveviTi (Woric rom
iyos) xmebi, TiTqos is
`sazmauze~, anu `pirvel
arxze~ samgloviaro gancxadebaTa aRdgenas apirebs.
es Zalian niSandoblivi da
mniSvnelovani simptomia: samgloviaro
gancxadebebi
wlebis ganmavlobaSi am arxis brendi iyo, romelic socialur jgufTa uZlieres
zewolaze metyvelebda: es
brendi gaxldaT ZvelisZveli
sabWoTa qarTuli elitisa
da misTvis damaxasiaTebeli
klanurobis gamovlineba, anu
sul sxva sazogadoebisa,
romelic avad Tu kargad, keTilad Tu borotad, magram
Seicvala bolo 10-15 wlis
ganmavlobaSi.
telegadacemebi, romlis
aRdgenac axla `sazmauze~
igegmeba, im Soreuli warsulis gamoZaxilia, rodesac
ar arsebobda `toqSou~,
rogorc
satelevizio
produqti da socialuri
fenomeni. es aris sabWoTa
qarTuli nacionalizmisa
(swored ase _ `sabWoTaqarTuli nacionalizmi~) da
`sabWoTa qarTuli elitis~
xma saflavidan, maSin rodesac im elitisa da e.w. `inteligenciis~
gardacvalebidan mTelma istoriulma xanam ganvlo.
ra esaqmeba televiziaSi
bhagavatas? gaTviTcnobierebuli mkiTxveli mixvdeba,
visac da ratom vgulisxmob.
ra SuaSia is, saerTod, araTu
dRevandelobasTan, aramed
21-e saukunesTan da mis prioritetebTan?
koka yandiaSvilisa da
giorgi xuxaSvilis polittele-teqnologia
gvabrunebs xanaSi, rodesac
sruliad sxva prioritetebi
da Rirebulebebi mefobdnen
qveynad da kai ded-mamis
Svili iyo televiziis an sainformacio gadacemis mesveuri, samgloviaro gancxadeba ar gaeSva eTerSi, raki
es prestiJulad da aucileblad iTvleboda. mere sadme
panaSvidze Sexvedra ar undoda? Tbilisi xom patara
qalaqia. yvela yvelas Zmakaci an `Cerez Zmakacia~.
arada, Tu televiziis
Zalasa da gavlenas gaviTvaliswinebT, agreTve, gavixsenebT imave xuxaSvilis
sityvebs, rom televiziebi
daixureba, SeiZleba isec
moxdes,
rom
marTla
davbrundeT 1995 welSi misi
uilajobiT, umweobiT, sruli
dabneulobiTa da xanTaSorisobiT, rodesac adamiani
ver acnobierebda, raoden
sawyaloblad iyo gaCxerili
sxvadasxva epoqebs Soris.
da mainc, miSas wasvla 20
wliT ukan dabrunebas ratom
unda niSnavdes?
`
male, albaT,
kdemamosili diqtorebi
gadacemaTa programas
waikiTxaven ekranidan
mwyazari saxiTa da xmis
SesaniSnavi tembriT,
eTerSi gava `liTs iqiT
da liTs aqeT~,
aRorZindeba dilis
gadacema saSinelebaTa
filmis personaJebiT
da programa `macne~
diqtoriT, romelsac
sufliori ar
sWirdeba, raki jer
kidev komunisturi
epoqidan isea
daxelovnebuli,
furclidan kiTxulobs
kamerisTvis Tvalis
`
mouwyvetlad.
mere, albaT, viRac inteligenti ityvis: `Jurnalistis mikrofonTan miSveba
rogor SeiZleba, teqsti
profesionalma msaxiobma
unda waikiTxoso~, da patara
Sav-TeTri telemimRebebic
dabrundeba, LCD-s nacvlad.
mTeli es sigiJe ki imis
Sedegia, rom `sazogadoebrivi mauwyebeli~, koka yandiaSvilis warsuli epoqidan
_ dRemde, anu mis dabrunebamde, ver iqca RirebulebaTa
damamkvidrebel fenomenad.
verc sazogadoebis ndoba
moipova da verc avtoriteti, sxva mauwyeblebTan SedarebiT. amitom mimdinare
komedia mxolod mxatvrulad gaZlierdeba, Tumca es
yovelive, sabolood, ara Tu
sasacilo, aramed sagodebeli da TavSi agursacemia.
premieri
#5 (005) oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013
ra moxda
ana qevxiSvili
TiTqmis erTi welia,
marina JRenti Zmis
mkvlelebis dasjas
uSedegod iTxovs.
respondentis TqmiT,
imis gamo, rom
sasjelaRsrulebis erTerTma Cinovnikma
Tanamdeboba ar
dakargos, gamoZieba
areulobis momwyob
patimrebs xels afarebs.
romeli Cinovniki
Seewireba 2012 wlis 23
noembers RuduSauris
klinikaSi gardacvlili
badragis saqmes da ra
pretenziebi aqvT
samarTaldamcav
organoebTan
gardacvlilis ojaxis
wevrebs? `premiers~
Tavad marina JRenti
esaubra.
RuduSauris klinikaSi
Z
alian gamwarebuli
var. Tqveni gazeTis saSualebiT
minda xma mivawvdino xelisuflebas.
TiTqmis erTi weli
gavida da aranairi reagireba ar mouxdeniaT.
saerTod arafrad gvagdeben
da getyviT, ase ratomac
iqcevian... Cveni ojaxis tragedia 2012 wlis 23 noembers
moxda. Cemi Zma _ badragi
jambul xoSurauli RuduSauris klinikaSi iyo morige.
Ramis pirvel saaTze patimrebma daiwyes bunti. wamals
iTxovdnen da Zalian agresiulebi iyvnen. amsxvrevdnen
nivTebsa da inventars. Cemi
Zma mTeli Ramis ganmavlobaSi awynarebdaT. TviTmxilvelma miTxra, rom erT-erTma patimarma jambuli Sor
manZilze moisrola. gamTeniisken ki Cemi Zma gardaicvala.
qalbatono
marina,
romeli Cinovniki ewireba
RuduSauris klinikaSi
gardacvlili badragis saqmes?
saerTod, am faqts ubedur
SemTxvevad imitom acxadeben,
rom konkretulma Cinovnikma
Tanamdeboba ar dakargos.
vis
gulisxmobT?
ar iyo daculi. areuloba
daiwyo Ramis pirvel saaTze
da mTeli Ramis ganmavlobaSi grZeldeboda. SuaRamisas
mividnen sasjelaRsrulebis
sistemis konkretuli Cinovnikebi, ra drosac situacia
odnav dawynarda. maTi wasvlis Semdeg ki xelmeored da
ufro agresiulad autexiaT
aurzauri. yvela normalur
adamians daebadeba kiTxva _
ratom ar gadaiyvanes patimrebi areulobis dawyebisTanave? vinmes mxridan raime
provokacias Tu hqonda adgili, ver getyviT. ukve aRar
vici, ra vifiqro. rogor SeiZleboda, amxela ufleba
miecaT patimrebisTvis, sanam
Cemi Zma ar daiRupa, emtvriaT da emsxvriaT yvelaferi.
yvelaferi yurwagdebulad
aris da Zalian gaognebuli
var.
qalbatono marina,
gamoZieba Tu
mimdinareobs da ras
geubnebian?
Tqveni Zmis
gardacvalebis
oficialuri versiad
gulis Seteva
dasaxelda...
diax, oficialurad amas acxadeben. minda giTxraT, rom
Cemi Zma iyo absoluturad
janmrTeli. gulis Setevas da
amas jerjerobiT ar vityvi.
Sens daudevrobas adamianis
sicocxle emsxverplos da
kidev skams ebRauWebode,
CemTvis gaugebaria. gavige,
rom im dRes patimrebi saerTod ar unda hyolodaT
RuduSauris klinikaSi. usafrTxoebis normebi saerTod
faqtobrivad, matyueben, ase
gamodis, sxva saxels ver davarqmev. Tavdapirvelad momxdars gamomZiebeli Salva
ZivZivaZe iZiebda. Semdeg
gadaeca prokuror beqa eziSvils. man miTxra, rom mtkicebulebebi sWirdebodaT.
saR-salamaTi Zma momikles
da gamoZiebis obieqturad
warmarTva rom ndomodaT,
mtkicebulebebis moZebna
gauWirdebodaT? am ukanasknelma vis gadaabara
saqme, ar gveubneba.
Tavisuflebi iyvnen. ukve
aRarafris imedi aRar maqvs,
rogorc Cans, am qveyanaSi
Cinovnikis skami ufro
Zlieria, vidre samarTlianoba da kanonis uzenaesoba.
rogor, ojaxis wevrebma
ar iciT, amJamad saqmes
vin iZiebs da ra etapzea?
beqa eziSvili,
prokurori:
ar gveubnebian. saerTod, beqa
eziSvili normalur pasuxsac
ar gvcems. eqspertizis daskvnasac ki ar varT gacnobili.
ramdenime winadadeba wagvikiTxa da SeiZleba, gagecinoT.
gviTxra, micvalebuls neknebi Caemtvrao. ranairad SeiZleba daemtvres neknebi
micvalebuls, ar mesmis.
Tavad gardacvlils
raime saxis dazianeba
aReniSneboda?
xeli da tuCebi Calurjebuli hqonda. TiTebi ki momtvreuli gegonebodaT. faqti, rom ar gaxmaurebuliyo,
xuTi badragi gaaTavisufles
samsaxuridan. mere, rogorc
gavige, isev aRadgines. yvelas
eSinia. Zalian axlobeli adamianisgan gavige, rom RuduSauris klinikis TanamSromlebic gafrTxilebulebi
arian, rom am sakiTxze xma ar
amoiRon. kidev erT rameze
mtkiva guli. qveyanaSi, sadac
masStaburi amnistia ganxorcielda, advili SesaZlebelia, Cemi Zmis mkvlelebic
23
axali ambebi
biZina ivaniSvili:
marTlac saswauli
movaxdineT
“Cven saakaSvilsac ki saxe
SevunarCuneT, imxela Zala
da iseTi muxti vaCveneT
saakaSvils, rom mixvda, rom
Zala aRar hqonda,”- amis
Sesaxeb saqarTvelos premier-ministrma
biZina
ivaniSvilma
koalicia
“qarTuli ocnebis” axalgazrduli frTis wevrebTan Sexvedraze sityviT gamosvlisas ganacxada.
“marTlac
saswauli
movaxdineT. is situacia,
romelic iyo, rogor Zaladobda xelisufleba sakuTar xalxze, rogor hqonda
yvlaferi dabalansebuli
da rogor hqonda TiTqos
ganaRdebuli da rogor
avayiraveT Cven es dabalansebuli situacia da
rogor brZnulad movawyveT
da rogori kargi organizeba gavakeTeT. amas sul
yvelafers gavixsenebT da
marTlac SeiZleba erT-
me mTavar prokuraturaSi
gadavedi sxva Tanamdebobaze
da aqedan gamomdinare, mag
saqmeze zedamxedvelobas
aRar vaxorcieleb. saqme vis
gadaeca, namdvilad ar vici.
batono beqa, ojaxis
wevrebi acxadeben, rom
maT eqspertizis daskvnis
safuZvlianad gacnobis
saSualeba ar miecaT...
eqspertizis daskvna ojaxis
wevrebs uSualod gavacaniT.
bodiSs mogixdiT, magram es
saqme me aRar mexeba da Tavs
Sevikaveb informaciis mowodebisgan.
`premieri~ saqarTvelos
prokuraturis prescentrsac
daukavSirda.
rogorc xaTuna paiWaZem
gangvicxada,
amJamad
saqmes didube-CuRureTis
raionuli prokuratura
iZiebs. saqme xulignobis
muxliTaa aRZruli da
gamoZiebis interesebidan
gamomdinare, damatebiTi
informaciis mowodebaze
uari gviTxres.
manTs mivulocoT. reJisori robiko sturua
meubneboda, icode egeni
usisxlod ar wavleno da
sul veubnebodi robikos,
rom Cven yvelafers gavakeTebdiT, rom yvelaferi
mSvidobianad
dagvesrulebina,”- ganacxada biZina ivaniSvilma.
axali ambebi
premieri
24
24premieri
axali ambebi
putini beslanisa da
e.w. samxreT oseTis
movlenebis gamo
nobelis premiaze
waradgines
oTxSabaTi,
oTxSabaTi,2-8
2-8oqtomberi
oqtomberi2013
2013#5#5
(005)
(005)
ras gvatyueben
prezidentobis kandidatebi?
sulieri erTobisa da
msoflio xalxTa TanamSromlobis saerTaSoriso
akademiam ruseTis nobelis
mSvidobis premiaze ruseTis
prezidenti vladimer putini waradgina.
„Cven Zalian kargad viciT, Tu rogori samSvidobo
roli Seasrula mZime raionebSi gansakuTrebiT
beslanSi, samxreT oseTSi
Cvenma prezidentma”, - ganacxada akademiis prezidentma giorgi trapeznikovma.
Tavisi xelmowera nobeli
komitetisaTvis gasagzavn
werilze aseve datova ruse-
Tis dumis deputatma, saxalxo artistma ioseb kobzonma.
Tavisi gadawyvetilebis
ganxilvas putinis warmdgenlebi nobelis mSvidobis
premiis erTaderT cocxal
rus mflobelTan, yofili
sabWoTa kavSiris prezidentTan mixeil gorbaCovTan ar apireben.
iniciatorTa ganmartebiT, putinis wardgenis idea
arc Tavad ruseTis prezidenTan da arc mis administraciasTan SeTanxmebuli
ar aris.
„mimaCnia, rom vladimer
putini Tavisi moridebulobis gamo amaze komentars ar
gaakeTebs, magram Cven, xalxs,
gvaqvs Cvens liderze azris
gamoTqmis ufleba”, _ ganacxada kobzonma.
axali ambebi
vaxuSti menabde:
`prezidentis
inauguraciis
momentidan
aRmasrulebel
xelisuflebaze
zemoqmedebis berketebi
aRar iarsebebs~
aleqsi nozaZe
saprezidento arCevnebis
win qarTuli
sazogadoeba kvlav
siraqlemis pozaSia da
kidev erTxel emzadeba
sakuTari Tavis
mosatyueblad _ qveynis
samtrod. cru
dapirebebiT gabruebul
da Tavdaimedebul
sazogadoebas garkveuli
drois Semdeg
infantilizmi
Seipyrobs, rac Semdeg
agresiaSi gadaezrdeba
da swored am
momentidan
d
aiwyeba qveynis
mtrobac. faqtia,
rom Tavad prezidentobis msurvelTa umetesobas
gacnobierebuli
ar aqvs da ufro
metic, arc icis, ra uflebamosilebas aniWebs kanoni mas
postze arCevis SemTxvevaSi.
ase rom ar iyos, sakuTar
winasaarCevno klipebsa da
mowodebebs, mosaxleobasTan
Sexvedrebs, morigi didi
tyuilebiT ar gaajerebdnen
da im uflebamosilebis farglebSi isaubrebdnen, rasac
maT konstitucia aniWebT.
ras gvatyueben da ra cru dapirebs gvaZleven winasaarCevnod kandidatebi? am
sakiTxze `premiers~ konstitucionalisti,
adamianis
uflebebis swavlebisa da
monitoringis
centris
(EMC) xelmZRvaneli vaxuSti menabde esaubreba.
romelic `warmarTavs
da axorcielebs qveynis
saSinao da sagareo
politikas~, nacvlad
aRniSnulisa,
prezidenti
prezidentis uflebebis SemcirebiT.
Tu mimdinare saarCevno
kampanias davakvirdebiT,
prezidentobis
`
prezidenti,
konstituciur doneze
moklebulia
saqarTvelos
mosaxleobam 27
oqtombers prezidenti
unda airCios. Tumca
amomrCevlebi jerac ar
arian garkveulni, ra
uflebamosilebiT
isargeblebs prezidenti.
kargi iqneba, Tu pirvel
rigSi prezidentis
ZiriTad uflebebs
ganvmartavT mokled...
27 oqtombris arCevnebiT arCeuli prezidentis inauguraciis momentidan ZalaSi
Seva 2010 wlis 15 oqtombris
sakonstitucio reformis
Sedegad miRebuli cvlilebaTa paketi, romelsac wiTel
xazad gasdevs prezidentis
uflebamosilebebis Semcirebis tendencia, kerZod,
`
saxelmwifos
meTauris instituti
gamoeyo aRmasrulebel
xelisuflebas da
prezidenti aRar
warmoadgens subieqts,
`warmoadgens qveynis
erTianobisa da
damoukideblobis
`
garants
yovelive ganpirobebulia
saxelmwifos modelis cvlilebiT, kerZod, premieris
uflebebis gaZlierebiTa da
kandidatebi
amomrCevlebs hpirdebian,
rom isini aRadgenen
samarTlianobas, dasjian
damnaSaveebs,
aaRorZineben ekonomikas.
konkretulad am
mimarTulebebiT
rogoria prezidentis
uflebamosileba da
ramdenad realuria maTi
mxridan am dapirebis
Sesruleba?
samarTlianobis aRdgena,
damnaSaveTa
dasja
Tu
ekonomikis aRorZineba kompleqsuri cnebebia, ris ganxorcielebasac sWirdeba ara
mxolod saTanado motivacia,
aramed saTanado uflebamosilebebic,
aRmasrulebeli
xelisuflebis
ganxorcielebis
SesaZleblobas, ufro
metic, damkvidrda
kontrasignaciis
meqanizmi, romelic
gamoricxavs
prezidentis mier
uzenaesi kanoniT
pirdapir
gaTvaliswinebuli
uflebamosilebis
ganxorcielebas
premier-ministris
`
Tanxmobis gareSe.
marTalia, prezidents Seu-
premieri
#5 (005) oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013
Zlia, moiTxovos calkeuli
sakiTxebis mTavrobis sxdomaze ganxilva, Tumca
normis formulirebidan gamomdinare
aRniSnuli
samxedro sakiTxebs ukavSirdeba (konstituciis 78-e muxlis me-4 punqti), nebismier
SemTxvevaSi
tSi saratifikaciod wardgena SeuZlia mxolod prezidents. SejamebisTvis SegviZlia vTqvaT, rom
zans swored prezidentis aRmasrulebeli uflebamosilebebis Sekveca warmoadgenda,
rac met-naklebi srulyofilebiT iqna realizebuli.
nebismier SemTxvevaSi,
`
`
prezidentis konkretuli
iniciativa samarTlianobis
aRdgenis,
damnaSaveTa
dasjisa Tu ekonomikis
aRorZinebis kuTxiT ganxorcielebadia imdenad, ramdenadac aRniSnul pozicias gaiziarebs da ganaxorcieleben
Sesabamisi uflebamosilebis
mpyrobelebi.
ra uflebamosilebas
aniWebs axali
konstitucia prezidents
qveynis sagareo
politikis gansazRvris
sakiTxSi?
saqarTvelos konstituciis
48-e muxlis mixedviT,
`
(sk 78-e muxlis pirveli punqti), miuxedavad aRniSnulisa,
saqarTvelos konstituciis
69-e muxlis me-3 punqtiT
prezidenti deklarirebulia
saxelmwifos warmomadgenlad sagareo urTierTobebSi, Tumca warmomadgenlobiTi uflebamosilebis farglebs gansazRvravs ZiriTadi kanonis 73-e muxlis pirveli punqti, romlis mixedviTac prezidents sxva saxelmwifosTan molaparakebis warmoebisa Tu saerTaSoriso xelSekrulebis dadebis ufleba aqvs mxolod mTavrobasTan
SeTanxmebiT. Tumca termini
SeTanxmeba sakmaod bundovania, da misi gamoxatulebis
konkretuli formebi unda
mowesrigdes saqarTvelos
kanonmdeblobiT, prezidentis axali statusis Sesabamisad. aqve unda aRiniSnos
prezidentis SesaZlebloba,
kontroli gauwios mTavrobis mier warmoebul sagareo
politikas, kerZod, Tu saerTaSoriso xelSekruleba
iTvaliswinebs saxelmwifos
saerTaSoriso organizaciaSi Sesvlas, samxedro xasiaTisaa, anda iwvevs saxelmwifos teritoriuli sazRvrebis Secvlas, misi parlamen-
`
`
`
ganxorcieleba
konstituciiT,
saqarTvelos
saxelmwifos meTauri
(prezidenti) kvlavac
aris samxedro Zalebis
umaRlesi
amasTanave, prezidentis gadawyvetilebebi (brZanebebi)
aRniSnuli kompetenciis
ganxorcielebisas
ar
saWiroebs premier-ministris
kontrasignacias, rac erTi
SexedviT samxedro Zalebis
marTvis sakiTxSi prezidents
eqskluziur uflebamosilebas aniWebs, Tumca uSiSroebis sabWos wevrebis, generaluri Stabis ufrosis Tanamdebobaze daniSvnisa da ganTavisuflebisas is SeboWilia mTavrobasTan SeTanxmebis
aucileblobiT. amasTanave,
rigi sakiTxebisa regulirdeba konstituciis miRma,
romelSi cvlilebebic jer
kidev ar ganxorcielebula
da riTac unda moxdes kompetenciebis gamijvna Tavdacvis saministrosa da
prezidents Soris. Tumca, arsebuli mdgomareobiT
gaaCnia,
saqarTvelos
parlamentis
eqskluziuri
uflebamosilebaa
sagareo politikis
ZiriTadi
mimarTulebebis
gansazRvra, xolo
mTavrobas evaleba
aRniSnuli
mimarTulebebis
`
mTavarsardali.
mis nebismier
iniciativasa Tu
miTiTebas aramcTu
savaldebulo,
sarekomendacio
xasiaTic ki ar
saWiro xmaTa
raodenoba
saqarTvelos
prezidenti
Tavdacvis sferoSi
farTo mixedulobis
farglebiT
sargeblobs, rasac ver
vityviT sxva Zalovan
struqturebze,
magaliTad, Sinagan
saqmeTa saministrosTan
`
prezidentis sagareo
uflebamosilebebi
Seicavs garkveul
bundovanebebs da maTi
ganxorcielebis xarisxi
nawilobriv arsebul
politikur viTarebaze
`
`
mimarTebiT.
prezidents
aRniSnuli
uflebamosilebebis
gansaxorcieleblad
ra gavlenas aniWebs
axlad arCeul
prezidents konstitucia
mTavrobasa da
parlamentze?
Semcirebulia,
`
igive unda iTqvas aRmasrulebel xelisuflebasTan
mimarTebiTac, Tu arsebuli
mdgomareobiT prezidenti
uflebamosilia, daiTxovos
mTavroba survilisamebr,
nebismier dros gadaayenos
Tavdacvis, iusticiis da Sinagan saqmeTa ministrebi,
gaauqmos aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebis aqtebi konstituciasTan Seusabamobis motiviT da a.S.
`
axlad arCeuli
prezidentis
inauguraciis momentidan
saxelmwifo meTauris
aRmasrulebel
xelisuflebaze
zemoqmedebis
samarTlebrivi
berketebi TiTqmis aRar
iarsebebs.
25
axali ambebi
`samarTaliani
arCevnebi~ ceskos
saarCevno ubnebze
foto-video
gadaRebis Sesaxeb
dadgenilebis
gauqmebas sTxovs
arasamTavrobo organizacia “samarTaliani arCevnebisa da demokratiis saerTaSoriso sazogadoeba” ceskos
arCevnebis
dRes
saarCevno ubanze foto da
videogadaRebis Sesaxeb
dadgenilebis calkeuli
muxlebis gauqmebisken mouwodebs.
“ceskos mier miRebuli
dadgenileba zRudavs foto-
`
aqve unda aRiniSnos, rom
prezidentis uflebamosileba izrdeba parlamentisa da
mTavrobis dapirispirebis
dros, Tumca kvlavac konstituciuri valdebulebebis
farglebSi, Tu ar CavTvliT
aRmasrulebeli vetos uflebas, romelic SeuZlia gamoiyenos undoblobis konstruqciuli votumis proceduris
mimarT da romlis daZlevac
parlamentis mier, siiTi Semadgenlobis 3/5-iT aris SesaZlebeli. SejamebisTvis SegviZlia vTqvaT, rom
`
prezidentis
SesaZlebloba, zegavlena
moaxdinos
aRmasrulebeli an
sakanonmdeblo
video gadaRebis uflebas
imaze metad, vidre es
saarCevno kodeqsiT aris
gaTvaliswinebuli. magaliTad, dadgenilebis me-2 muxlis me-2 punqtis Tanaxmad,
minimaluri manZili fotovideo gadasaRebad unda iyos
aranakleb 3 metriT daSorebuli gadaRebis obieqtidan,
aseve, dadgenilebis me-3 muxlis me-4 punqtiT, Tu piri
kameriT gadaadgildeba an
`
iqneba damokidebuli.
kandidatebis umetesoba
mosaxleobas hpirdeba,
rom qveyanaSi Seicvleba
ekonomikuri garemo da
isini gaatareben swor
politikas, raTa gaCndes
damatebiTi samuSao
adgilebi. aris es 27
oqtombers asarCevi
prezidentis kompetencia?
aRniSnuls uaryofiTi pasuxi
unda gaeces,
`
ekonomikuri
garemos Secvla, Tu
samuSao adgilebis
Seqmna, agreTve, am
mimarTulebiT
konkretuli qmedebebis
ganxorcieleba da
Sesabamisi politikis
gatareba calsaxad
aRmasrulebeli
xelisuflebis
(mTavrobis)
`
kompetenciaa,
xolo 2010 wlis sakonstitucio reformis umTavres mi-
samarTlebrivi
berketebi aRar
`
gaaCnia.
konstituciis mixedviT,
eqneba Tu ara
prezidents qveynis
Zalovan struqturebze
gavlena da konstituciis
mixedviT, aris Tu ara
is qveynis umaRlesi
mTavarsardali?
`
prezidents
CamoerTva
sakanonmdeblo
iniciativis ufleba,
Tumca SeunarCunda
suspensiuri vetos
ufleba
kanonproeqtebze,
romlis dasaZlevad
organos saqmianobaze
anulirebulia, mcire
gamonaklisebis
`
gaTvaliswinebiT.
damatebiT unda aRiniSnos, rom
prezidents kvlav rCeba uflebamosilebebi konstituciuri
institutebis dakompleqtebis
nawilSi, risi yuradRebis miRma
datovebac marTebuli ar aris.
tovebs kenWisyris Senobas, is
kargavs foto-video gadaRebis uflebas. garda amisa,
dadgenilebis bevri norma
aris bundovani da iZleva sxvadasxva interpretaciis saSualebas, rac qmnis fotovideo gadaRebis uflebis
SezRudvis met SesaZleblobas.
dadgenilebiT calsaxad
SezRudulia „saarCevno
kodeqsiT” gansazRvruli
foto-video
gadaRebis
ufleba, rac miuReblad
migvaCnia da movuwodebT
centralur saarCevno komisias kenWisyraze daayenos
dadgenilebis kanonsawinaaRmdego muxlebis gauqmebis sakiTxi.”
axali ambebi
26 premieri
oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013 #5 (005)
zurab RoRoberiZe
ra xmebi da Worebi ar
dadis momaval
premier-ministrTan
dakavSirebiT.
bunebrivia, yvela
Tanxmdeba, rom, visac
biZina ivaniSvili
daadebs xels,
premieric is iqneba.
kargia es Tu cudi, sxva
sakiTxia da
sazogadoebrivi
diskursis sagani ar
aris. gaaCnia visTvis da
rogor. imaTTvis,
viszec miliarderi
premieri SeaCerebs
arCevans, yvela
SemTxvevaSi kargia,
magram vinaa is
bednieri? bolo
dromde sami gvari
JRerda: kvirikaSvili,
RaribaSvili,
mamacaSvili. es
ukanaskneli, rogorc
amboben, biZina
ivaniSvilis naTesavia da
swored am niSniT
SeirCa.
gadaabarebs Tu ara biZina ivaniSvili qveyanas
respublikelebs?
T
avad ivaniSvilma
eqspertebTan gaxmaurebul Sexvedraze Tqva, rom
arCevani ukve gakeTebuli aqvs:
`sami kandidatura
myavda da, ase Tu ise, gadavwyvite, Tumca jer ar minda
vTqvao~.
Cvens xelT arsebuli informaciiT, aranairi konsultaciebi mmarTveli koaliciis SigniT am Temaze ar
mimdinareobs, anu ivaniSvili
aravis arafers ekiTxeba, garda im pirovnebisa, viszec
arCevani SeaCera. magram vin
aris misi rCeuli? mamacaSvi-
lis, ese igi naTesavis daniSvna Tavad gamoricxa kategoriulad. irakli RaribaSvili
Sinagan saqmeTa ministrad
sWirdeba, raTa situacia misi
wasvlisTanave umarTavi ar
gaxdes. kvirikaSvili, Tu kargad gavixsenebT, arc erTxel
ar uxsenebia ministris rangSic ki. anu, xom laparakobda
giorgi margvelaSvilze,
rogorc saukeTeso ministrze? hoda, prezidentobis
kandidatadac daasaxela. xom
axsenebda xSirad kaxi kalaZes? amdenad, gasakviri ar
aris, Tu dRes is vice-premieria. giorgi kvirikaSvilisadmi damokidebuleba ki
ucnauri Cans: daawinaura,
magram arasdros aqebs, masze
arasdros ambobs, rom SesaniSnavad icis ekonomika, erkveva finansebSi da a.S.
aqedan gamomdinare, kvirikaSvilis gapremierebis Sansi dRes imdenivea, ramdenic,
vTqvaT, nodar xadurisa. SesaZlebelia, magram ara gadawyvetili. gaaCnia, ras apirebs
TviT biZina ivaniSvili wasvlis Semdeg. ise, metismetad
emociurad ki pasuxobs
xolme SeniSvnebs, TiTqos gegmavs, `kuluarebidan marTos
situacia~ da rom misi wasvla wasvla ki ar aris, aramed
`CrdilSi
gadgoma~
da
`iatakqveSeTSi gadasvlaa~,
rogorc Tavad daaxasiaTa
imave Sexvedraze _ mis mier
`gabanZebul~ eqspertebTan.
`iatakqveSeTSi gadasvlisa~
da `Crdilidan marTvis~
wamoZaxeba aSkarad ar siamovnebs, Tumca isic esmis, rom
nebismier SemTxvevaSi ase
moxdeba, anu mainc `wamoaZaxeben~, Tu raime ufro Wkvianuri da eSmakuri ar
moifiqra. wasvla rom unda,
gadawyvetilia da aSkaraa,
magram Tu surs, veravin wa-
moaZaxos, TiTqos `qarTvel
den sia pinobas~ apirebs, albaT, iseTi premier-ministri
unda datovos, vinc mTlad
mis marionetad ar aRiqmeba.
piriqiT, viszec da vis gundzec zogjer amboben, rom
sinamdvileSi premier-ministri ivaniSvili ki ar marTavs
maT, aramed, piriqiT, isini
marTaven biZina ivaniSvils.
magram aris gana `ocnebaSi~
aseTi figura da aseTi gundi? diax, aris _ esaa daviT
usufaSvili da respublikelebi.
saerTod, am partiis
fenomeni calke Seswavlis
Rirsia. ramdeni welia gvesmis, rom isini marginalebi
arian, rom nulovani reitingi aqvT da ase Semdeg. miuxedavad amisa, yvela xelis-
ufali (eduard SevardnaZec,
nino burjanaZec, miSa saakaSvilic da biZina ivaniSvilic)
yovelnairad cdilobs, isini
sakuTar gundSi gaabas da
opoziciaSi ar iyolios. Tu
nulovani reitingi aqvT, es
rogor aris da ratom? albaT, imitom, rom respublikelebs masaSi (rogorc ar
unda ezizRebodes isini am
masas) Wkviani xalxisa da
dasavleTis favoritTa imiji aqvT, ese igi politikosebisa, romlebsac yovelTvis,
yvela kiTxvaze eqnebaT mza
pasuxi.
xolo politikur da sazogado elitaSi maTi renomes Selaxva Zalian Znelia.
elitasac iseve ezizReba respublikelebi, rogorc masas,
magram amdenadve aRiarebs
maT da uwevs angariSs. sxvagvarad, ubralod, ver aixsneba is ucnauroba, rom swored
daTo usufaSvilia dRes parlamentis Tavmjdomare da
ara daviT saganeliZe, xolo
iuridiul komitets ara Salva SavguliZe, an eka beselia,
aramed vaxtang xmalaZe xelmZRvanelobs. vimeoreb kiTxvas: ratom da rogor, Tuki
nulovani reitingi aqvT?
swored am fenomenidan
iSva Wori, rom sinamdvileSi
biZina ivaniSvili premierministrobas daTo usufaSvils
Caabarebs. marTla ase moxdeba Tu ara, uaxloesi momavali gviCvenebs, magram, Tu
ivaniSvilma aseTi gadawyvetileba marTla miiRo, es
iqneba Zalian eSmakuri svla
misi mxridan: arc kvirikaSvili, arc RaribaSvili da
arc miTiuri mamacaSvili, an
vasaZe politikuri personaJebi ar arian, Sesabamisad,
pasuxismgebel subieqtadac
ver CaiTvlebian. amdenad,
gadadgomisa da romelime
maTganis daniSvnis Semdeg biZina ivaniSvili sulac kostarikaSi rom gadasaxldes sacxovreblad, yvelaferze pasuxismgebloba mainc mas
daekisreba.
usufaSvili da respublikelebi ki TavisTavadi
politikuri fenomenia da
yvelaferze, rac amis Semdeg
qveyanaSi moxdeba, swored
isini iqnebian pasuxismgeblebi, Sesabamisad, erTgvari `mexTamridis~ rolsac Seasruleben (dasavleTTan, anu
evropa-amerikasTan erTad)
biZina
ivaniSvilisTvis,
romelsac saSualeba miecema,
mSvidad mixedos Tavis saqmes,
rac marTla icis da exerxeba
_ politikisgan gansxvavebiT.
dabolos, miSa saakaSvils,
opoziciaSi gadasvlis Semdeg
(Tu ar daiWires), kvirikaSvili, RaribaSvili, mamacaSvili Tu vasaZe erT lukmad
ar eyofa da Cveuli populizmiT sul advilad `daaCmorebs~. ai, respublikelebs ki
_ nuras ukacravad! Tundac
imitom, rom xalxis TvalSi
isini igive Rirebulebebis matarebelni arian, risac `nacmoZraoba~. da maT winaaRmdeg
misi brZola sakuTari Tavis
winaaRmdeg galaSqreba iqneba.
premieri
#5 (005) oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013
gega silagava
s
aqarTvelos
kanonSi
`saxelmwifo
enis Sesaxeb~
Sesatani
cvlilebebis
Sesaxeb parlamentSi
Sesul iniciativas
sazogadoebaSi
araerTgvarovani
gamoxmaureba mohyva.
konkretulad ras unda
emsaxurebodes
gansaxorcielebeli
cvlilebebi, ra
Sinaarsis matarebelia
isini da ra efeqti
SeiZleba mohyves
konkretul iniciativas,
am sakiTxebze `premieri~
filologiis
mecnierebaTa doqtors
(enaTmecniers) levan
Rvinjilias esaubra:
`mTavaria, ramdenad
gavaRvivebT erSi
Tavmoyvareobasa da
Rirsebis grZnobas~
im SemTxvevaSi, Tu
parlamenti miiRebs am
normebs, ramdenad
efeqturi iqneba is da
ramdenad Seuwyobs xels
enis `gadarCenas~?
nebismieri kanoni mxolod maSinaa efeqturi, Tu is moqmedebs. 1998 welsaa miRebuli
`kanoni reklamis Sesaxeb~,
romelsac, samwuxarod, aravin
ar icavs da sakanonmdeblo
organo (parlamenti) da sakrebuloebi, romelTac avaliaT
zedamxedveloba, amaze Tvalebs
xuWaven. qveyanas xelisufleba
imisTvis sWirdeba, rom samarTliani kanonebi SemoiRos
da mere is aRasrulos. Tu am
gziT ar wavalT, `enis kanonic~ aseve umoqmedod darCeba.
mTavaria, ramdenad gavaRvivebT erSi Tavmoyvareobasa
da Rirsebis grZnobas.
gamoiTqva mosazreba,
rom `enis policia~
Seaferxebs
saliteraturo enis
ganviTarebasac...
es sruli absurdia. amas mxolod is ityvis, visac warmodgenac ki ara aqvs, ra aris
ena, ras niSnavs `saliteraturo ena~, ra aris `enis
ganviTareba~, ar waukiTxavs
`enis saxelmwifo inspeqciis~
debuleba, magram, amis miuxedavad, SeuZlia Tavs ufleba
misces aseTi `brZnuli~ azrebis
gadmofrqvevisa,
`eqspertebisa da jipebis qveyanaSi~ arc es mikvirs. xom ar
inebebdiT da SemaxvedrebdiT
amgvari azrebis gamomTqmelebTan?
batono levan,
parlamentSi saxelmwifo
enasTan dakavSirebiT
axali iniciativa Sevida.
Tqven wlebis
ganmavlobaSi
xelmZRvanelobdiT enis
saxelmwifo palatas da
adamianuradac,
TqvenisTana qomagi bevri
arc ki hyavs qarTul
enas. rogor fiqrobT,
realurad ras
emsaxureba es iniciativa?
mogexsenebaT, rom saqarTvelos konstitucia qveynis
saxelmwifo enad acxadebs
qarTuls, afxazeTis teritoriaze ki, masTan erTad, _
afxazursac. kanoni `saxelmwifo enis Sesaxeb~ Seiqmna
`qveynis ZiriTadi kanonis~
(anu konstituciis) am moTxovnis safuZvelze. figuralurad rom giTxraT, es
kanoni adgens saqarTvelos
moqalaqeTa da moqalaqeobis
armqone pirTaTvis `enaSi
moZraobis wesebs~. danarCeni
sakuTriv kanonSia Camoyalibebuli. saqarTvelo araa
pirveli qveyana da arc meaTe,
`enis kanons~ rom iRebs. es
praqtika msoflios bevr qveyanaSia miRebuli (safrangeTi,
kanada, latvia, litva, estoneTi, ruseTi, espaneTi, azerbaijani...). Tavis droze
`kanoni saxelmwifo enis Seaxeb~ gansaxilvelad iyo
wardgenili saqarTvelos
parlamentSi. is muSavdeboda
7-8 wlis ganmavlobaSi _ jer
iusticiis saministroSi, Semdeg (1997-2002 wlebSi) _ enis
saxelmwifo palataSi. ganxiluli iyo Sesabamis struqturebSi rogorc CvenSi,
aseve ucxoeTSi _ euTosa da
evrosabWoSi. sagangebod iyo
mxardaWerili `erovnul umciresobaTa umaRlesi komisariatis~ mier maSindeli komisris _ rolf ekeusis oficialuri weriliT parlamentis Tavmjdomarisadmi (maSin
mpania an gazeTi (`praimtaimi~, `jorjian taimsi~) amas ar
gaiTvaliswinebs, maSin amoqmeddeba kanoni. ra aris amaSi gaugebari?
es Tanamdeboba nino burjanaZes ekava). parlamentma daiwyo kidec am kanonis ganxilva plenarul sxdomaze, sadac
me gaxldiT prezidentis mier
daniSnuli sagangebo momxsenebeli. samwuxarod, im
dRes, ramdenime deputatis
axirebisa gamo, ganxilva gadaido da Semdeg ise
mogviswro `vardebis revoluciam~, rom enis kanoni
aravis gaxsenebia. `nacebis~
mosvlisTanave `enis kanoni~
parlamentidan gaitanes da
misi kvalic waiSala... da ai,
10 wlis Semdeg kvlav dadga
dro, roca SesaZlebeli gaxda am sakiTxis wamoweva. ase
rom, es iniciativa arc axalia
da
arc
marto
saqarTveloSi xdeba msgavsi
ram.
saubari iyo sanqciebis
Temazec. anu dasaxelda
konkretuli jarimebi
enis normebis
darRvevisTvis. ramdenad
adekvaturia
dasaxelebuli Tanxebi
Tundac saqarTvelos
moqalaqeebis _
kanonqvemdebare pirebis
socialur pirobebTan
mimarTebaSi?
sajarimo sanqciebis garda,
es kanoni sxva _ aranakleb
mZime `sasjelebsac~ iTvaliswinebs. gaaCnia `danaSaulis~
xasiaTsa da garemoebebs. rac
SeexebaT socialurad daucvel fenebs, an, zogadad, kerZo pirebs, kanonidan gamomdinare, sanqciebTan maT Sexeba ar eqnebaT. kanonSi arsad
araa saubari kerZo (da arc
oficialur)
pirTa
metyvelebis gakontrolebis
Sesaxeb SemdgomSi maTi dasjis
mizniT. is, razec am dReebSi
Jurnalistebma, `nacionaluri moZraobis~ warmomadgenelTa waqezebiT, gangaSis
zarebi daarisxes, aris sruli dezinformacia da TiTidan gamowovili sicrue.
kanonis darRvevisTvis SeiZleba dajarimdes nebismieri
iuridiuli piri, maT Soris
_ telekompaniac da ara
romelime TanamSromeli
amave dawesebulebidan. Jurnalistebma am konteqstSi
sakuTari Tavi Segnebulad
gaaigives mauwyebelTan. imedia, aravin ityvis, rom, magaliTad, t/k `rusTavi 2~,
erTi mxriv, da misi romelime
gadacemis wamyvani, vTqvaT,
diana jojua _ erTi da
igivea. metsac getyviT: Cem
mier naxsenebi Jurnalisti
yoveldRiurad arRvevs enis
normas misalmebisas, magram
mas amis gamo aravin daajarimebs. ai, misi kompaniis
direqtori ki miiRebs Setyobineba-gafrTxilebas, rom
misalmebis formulaa `saRa-
mo mSvidobisa~ da ara _ `saRamo mSvidobis~ (rogorc
dianas moswons!.. Sdr. `Zili
nebisa~ _ diana ityoda: `Zili
nebis~) da gaasworeben. Tu ar
gaasworeben, maSin kanoni amoqmeddeba!!! es aris da es. aseTi magaliTi ki bevria. an
kidev, Tu kanoni adgens, rom
ar SeiZleba qarTuli gadacemis an qarTulenovani
gamocemis (gazeTi, Jurnali...)
saTauri iwerebodes mxolod
ucxo enaze mTlianad an sanaxevrod (ix. Komedi Sou,
`guria NEWS…) da teleko-
rogor warmogidgeniaT,
gvyavs ki Cven imdeni
saTanado kadri,
romelic isurvebs
`cenzoris~ rolis
Sesrulebas da uars
ityvis Tundac skolaSi,
umaRles saswavlebelSi
an sxva ufro
mniSvnelovan adgilze
moRvaweobaze da asobiT
politikosis
`sibrZneebis~ revizirebas
daiwyebs?
am mxriv SegiZliaT, arxeinad
brZandebodeT: specialistebi sakmarisze metic gvyavs,
27
magram, kvlav vimeoreb, politikosTa metyvelebis gakontrolebaze araa saubari da
es erTxel da samudamod amoigdeT Tavidan Jurnalistebma.
zogadad, rogor
migaCniaT, ra
mimarTulebiT unda
ganviTardes qarTuli
ena da rogor unda
daicvas is saxelmwifom?
es vrceli saubris Temaa da
aq amisi adgili araa. am sakiTxs SeiZleba sxva drosa da
sxva viTarebaSi davubrundeT.
Cven dRes vsaubrobT enis
dacvisa da ara _ ganviTarebis Sesaxeb.
aqve sainteresoa erTi
momentic, Cven qveyanaSi
ori saxelmwifo ena
gvaqvs. qarTulTan
mimarTebaSi calkeuli
normebis dawesebisas,
sakanonmdeblo doneze
uxerxul mdgomareobaSi
xom ar vigdebT Tavs
afxazuri enis
konteqstSi? ar gvetyvis
xval an zeg Tundac
afxazi politikosi an
obivateli, rameze
gizruniaT am xnis
ganmavlobaSi CvenTvis,
Tundac Cvens enazeo?
amis pasuxi gvaqvs, Tqven kiTxvis damsmeli manaxveT. afxazuri enis yvela afxazi mkvlevari, saSualo da ufrosi
asakisa, akademikos qeTevan
lomTaTiZis gazrdilia TbilisSi da is, rom afxazuri
ena msoflioSi erT-erTi
saukeTesod Seswavlil (mecnierulad) enaTagania, esec
kavkasiologTa Tbilisuri
skolis damsaxurebaa. saTqmeli bevri gvaqvs, netav, naTqvamis gamgonTan migvaaxlova!
da modiT, naxevrad
xumrobiT, magram sruli
seriozulobiT
gkiTxavT, ra eSvelebaT
Cvens parlamentarebs,
romlebmac pults unda
daaWiron xeli da es
normebi daakanonon?
parlamentarebs, am mxriv,
`Tavebi qudebSi aqvT~, xolo
`TavebSi ra aqvT~, amas
pultze TiTis dasaWerad
gadamwyveti mniSvneloba arasodes ar hqonda da, darwmunebuli var, arc axla eqneba.
cxadia, es yvelas ar exeba.
28 premieri
axali ambebi
londonSi qarTuli
filmebis festivali
gaimarTeba
26 seqtembridan 2 oqtombramde, saqarTvelos kulturisa da ZeglTa dacvis
saministros mxardaWeriT,
londonSi, riversaid studioSi qarTuli filmebis me-3
saerTaSoriso festivali “kinoSi asaxuli cxovreba” gaimarTeba.
qarTuli filmebis me-3
saerTaSoriso festivalis
farglebSi londoneli mayurebeli 1907-2012 wlebSi Seqmnil 16 qarTuli films ixilavs.
26 seqtembers, qarTuli
filmebis me-3 saerTaSoriso
festivals, vasil amaSukelis
mier 1907 wels gadaRebuli
dokumenturi filmi - “navTobis WaburRilebze muSaoba” da
giorgi levaSov-TumaniSvilis
filmi, - Prêt à Vivre gaxsnis.
27 seqtembers, londoneli
mayurebeli giorgi farajanovis or films - “me movkvdi
bavSvobaSi” da “yvela wavida”
ixilavs.
28 seqtembers ki riversaid
studios 200-adgilian darbazSi, zaza uruSaZis “bolo gaseirneba”, qeTi maWavarianis
“mariliviT TeTri”, daviT
rondelis
“dakarguli
samoTxe” da rusudan Wyonias
“gaiRimeT”” iqneba naCvenebi.
29 seqtembers, qarTuli
kinematografiiT dainteresebuli sazogadoeba londonis
riversaid studioSi Semdegi
filmebis Cvenebas daeswreba:
oTar ioselianis “iyo SaSvi
mgalobeli””, nuca RoRoberiZis “buba”” ; TinaTin gurCianis “”manqana, romelic yvelafers gaaqrobs” da dito
cincaZis “SemoWra”.
30 seqtembers, londonel
mayurebels kidev erTxel
miecema saSualeba ixilos
rusudan Wyonias filmi - “gaiRimeT”, aseve, nana janeliZis
“”netavi aq Teatri aris?!” da
eldar Sengelaias “araCveulebrivi gamofena”. dagegmilia diskusia Temaze - “qalebi
qarTul kinematografiaSi”.
2 oqtombers, riversaid
studioSi qarTuli filmebis
me-3 saerTaSoriso festivals
kote miqaberiZis filmi - “Cemi
bebia” daxuravs.
riversaid studio londonSi arsebuli xelovnebis
erT–erTi avtoritetuli
centria, sadac londonel
mayurebels wels mesamed eqneba saSualeba ixilos rogorc
Tanamedrove qarTuli kinos
saukeTeso nimuSebi, aseve
qarTuli
kinoklasikis
Sedevrebi
axali ambebi
oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013 #5 (005)
`ganaTlebisa da
mecnierebis
komitetis
iniciativa erTiani
erovnuli
gamocdebis sistemas
daangrevs~
miranda nabaxteveli
parlamentis
ganaTlebisa da
mecnierebis komitetis
mier momzadebulma
kanonproeqtma, romlis
Tanaxmadac
gansakuTrebuli niWis
mqone axalgazrdebi
umaRles
saganmanaTleblo
dawesebulebebSi erTiani
erovnuli gamocdebis
gareSe unda Cairicxon,
Tu maT saerTaSoriso
olimpiadaSi an
saxelovneboSemoqmedebiT konkursSi
umaRlesi Sefaseba aqvT
miRebuli,
sazogadoebaSi sakmaod
didi ukmayofileba
gamoiwvia. sakmaod
kritikuli aRmoCnda
gamocdebis erovnuli
centris xelmZRvaneli
maia miminoSvili,
romelic kanonproeqts
usamarTlos uwodebs.
sakiTxis irgvliv maia
miminoSvili `premiers~
Tavad esaubra.
qalbatono maia, rogorc
viciT, Tqven mwvaved
gaakritikeT aRniSnuli
iniciativa, konkretulad
ra ar mogwonT axal
kanonproeqtSi?
madloba RmerTs, kanonproeqtis mimarT ara mxolod me,
aramed ganaTlebis saministrosa
da
ministrsac
analogiuri damokidebuleba
gauCnda. martivad rom agix-
snaT, ganaTlebisa da mecnierebis komitetis iniciativa axalgazrdebis or kategorias exeba. pirveli _ im axalgazrdebs, romlebmac
saerTaSoriso olimpiadaSi
gaimarjves, da meore _ maT,
vinc SemoqmedebiTi konkursis safuZvelze umaRlesi Sefaseba miiRes. cvlilebis
mixedviT, orive kategoriis
axalgazrdebi erovnuli
gamocdebis gareSe unda Cairicxon umaRles saswavleblebSi. amave dros kanons
ukuZalac miecema da saswavleblebSi swavlis ufleba
SeunarCundebaT 2013 wels
erTian erovnul gamocdebSi
monawile im pirebs, romlebmac ama Tu im saganSi minimaluri kompetenciis zRvari ver gadalaxes da maTi
gansakuTrebuli niWis miuxedavad, swavlis uflebis
gareSe darCnen. CemTvis
aRniSnuli cvlileba miuRebelia ramdenime mizezis
gamo: pirveli _ ras niSnavs
saerTaSoriso olimpiadaSi
gamarjvebuli? msoflioSi
uamravi saerTaSoriso olimpiada arsebobs. Zalian rTulia im saerTaSoriso olimpiadebis CamonaTvalis momzadeba Tavisi SedegebiT,
romelsac unda vendoT, an ar
vendoT. ase rom, saerTaSoriso olimpiadaSi gamarjvebulis cneba Zalian farToa. saerTod, saerTaSoriso
olimpiadis Catareba did
sirTules ar warmoadgens,
radgan SegviZlia SevikriboT,
CamovayaliboT komiteti da
CavataroT saerTaSoriso
olimpiada, sadac ramdenime
ucxoels mivaRebinebT monawileobas. magaliTad, kaligrafiis
saerTaSoriso
olimpiadaSi monawile axalgazrdis SemTxvevaSi, dameTanxmebiT, verafriT ver davadgenT
konkretul
fakultets, sad SeiZleba
Cairicxos is. Tundac fizikis olimpiadaSi gamarjvebuli axalgazrdis SemTxvevaSi
fizikis specialobaze Caricxva konkretulad ar xdeba, Caricxva sabunebismetyvelo fakultetze xorcieldeba da, bunebrivia, students
veravin ver aukrZalavs, swav-
nebma da olimpielebma? ra
daaSaves mocekvaveebma, romlebsac seriozuli misia akisriaT _ msoflioSi qarTuli kultura gaaqvT. amitom
axalgazrdebis kategoriebad
dayofa, rom Turme saerTaSoriso olimpiadaSi gamarjvebuli ufro niWieria, vidre is axalgazrda, vinc
umaRlesi Sefasebebi miiRo
erTian erovnul gamocdebSi,
CemTvis miuRebelia. es aris
seriozuli usamarTloba da
li gamocdebis sistemidan,
ubralod, CaTvlis saxiT
unda gadaelaxaT minimaluri
kompetenciis zRvari. axalgazrdebi, romlebic SemoqmedebiTi turis safuZvelze
iricxebian, kulturis saministrodan finansdebian, Tumca,
radgan
erovnuli
gamocdebis sistemaSic arian, SesaZlebloba aqvT, saxelmwifo granti ganaTlebis
saministrodanac moipovon.
aseTi abiturientebi ori
lis periodSi muSaoba gaagrZelos geografiis mimarTulebiT. an ra vuyoT im
adamianebs,
romlebmac
erovnul olimpiadaSi gaimarjves? sainteresoa, riTaa
naklebi Wadrakis saerTaSoriso olimpiadaSi gamarjvebuli fizikis olimpiadaSi gamarjvebulze? ra
daaSaves niWierma sportsme-
pirdapir getyviT, sistemis
dangreva. rac Seexeba saxelovnebo-SemoqmedebiT
turebs, wlebis ganmavlobaSi
vibrZodiT, rom axalgazrdebi, romlebic saxelovnebo
mimarTulebiT swavlis gagrZelebas apirebdnen da sadac
Caricxva SemoqmedebiTi turis
safuZvelze
xdeba,
gasuliyvnen erTiani erovnu-
mxridan finansdebian, rac
usamarTloa. cxadia, axalgazrdam dafinanseba Tu saxelmwifosganac moipova, mas
jibeSi ver idebs, is umaRles
saswavlebels rCeba, sanacvlod ki saxelmwifo granti
erTmeva sxva umaRles saswavlebels. gamocdebis erovnuli centri moiTxovda, rom
aseTi tipis abiturientebi
premieri
#5 (005) oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013
saxalxo damcveli
gaumarTleblad miiCnevs
saqarTvelos
moqalaqeebisaTvis
qveynidan gasvlis msgavsi
SezRudvis dawesebas
s
axalxo damcveli
gaumarTleblad
miiCnevs saqarTvelos moqalaqeebisaTvis qveynidan
gasvlis msgavsi SezRudvis
dawesebas. misi gancxadebiT,
saqarTvelos parlamentis
wevrebis mier inicirebulia
kanonproeqti,
romelic
iTvaliswinebs damatebis Setanas "saqarTvelos moqalaqeebis saqarTvelodan gasvlis
da saqarTveloSi Semosvlis
wesis Sesaxeb" saqarTvelos
erTiani erovnuli gamocdebis sistemidan gasuliyvnen,
Tumca umaRlesma saswavleblebma es cvlileba ar moindomes, darCa ise, rogorc
aris da SeTanxmebas ver mivaRwieT. ras gveubneba axali
kanonproeqti? abiturienti,
magaliTad, pianisti, darCes
sistemaSi, Tanxa sistemidan
waiRos, oRond, rom CaiWra,
mainc Cairicxos. anu pasuxismgeblobac me unda aviRo,
rom pianistis adgilas
Cavricxo, fulic me unda
mivce, oRond man gamocda ar
Caabaros.
miCndeba eWvi, rom is orientirebulia konkretul pirebze. Tumca komitetis Tavmjdomarem ivane kiRuraZem
daasaxela is adamianebi,
viszecaa morgebuli kanonproeqti da ganmartebis baraTSic aRniSnulia, rom iniciativa 17 adamians ukavSirdeba.
Caricxva moxdeba, gadavamowmebT.
arc protestis
Tqven Tavis droze
aRniSneT, rom meorad
Caricxvebs ar
eTanxmebodiT da
usamarTlod migaCndaT,
axlac ase fiqrobT?
axlac arasamarTlianad mimaCnia meoradi Caricxvebis
gziT
abiturientebis
umaRles saswavlebelSi miRe-
kanonSi.
`kanonproeqtis mixedviT,
zemoaRniSnuli kanonis me-10
muxls, romelic saqarTvelos
moqalaqeebisaTvis qveynidan
droebiT gasvlaze SezRudvebs awesebs, emateba axali "d"
qvepunqti, romlis mixedviTac
saqarTvelos moqalaqes qveynidan droebiTi gasvlisaTvis
saqarTvelos
moqalaqis
pasportis gacemaze an
pasportis moqmedebis vadis
gagrZelebaze,
agreTve
sazRvris gadakveTaze SeiZleba uari eTqvas "saxelmwifo
an/da sazogadoebrivi usa-
frTxoebis dacvis interesebidan gamomdinare". kanonis
me-10 muxlis amJamad moqmedi
redaqcia ki ikiTxeba Semdegnairad: "saqarTvelos moqalaqes SeiZleba uari eTqvas
saqarTvelodan droebiTi
gasvlisaTvis saqarTvelos
moqalaqis pasportis gacemaze an pasportis moqmedebis
vadis gagrZelebaze, agreTve
sazRvris gadakveTaze: a) Tu
iZebneba samarTaldamcavi
organoebis mier; b) Tu warmoadgens yalb an Zalis armqone sabuTebs~, - acxadebs
saxalxo damcveli.
neTs ar veTanxmebiT, gulwrfelad geubnebiT, mixaria,
rom ufro mWidrod vTanamSromlobT. mTavaria, imis
gancda aravis aqvs, raxan
gansxvavebuli azri gamovTqvi, es faqti Cemi da ministris urTierTobas gaafuWebs. me vafaseb aseT damokidebuleba
da
radgan
vafaseb, imedi maqvs, rom
konkretuli gadawyvetilebe-
aerCiaT umaRlesi saswavleblebis CamonaTvali. wina
wlebis monacemebs Tu gaviTvaliswinebT, abiturientebis raodenoba, vinc minimaluri kompetenciis zRvari
gadalaxa, magram ver Cairicxa, 25 000-s aRwevda, wels
ki 7000-ia, rac CemTvis sasixaruloa.
vfiqrob, amis erTaderTi wamalia, rasac aucileblad
gavakeTebT, Sesabamisi kanonmdeblobiT gamyareba, radgan
erT pirs, Tundac ministrs,
ar hqondes ufleba, erT
dReSi Secvalos is wesi, rac
dadgenilia.
arsebuli xarvezebi
gaTvlili ar hqonda
komitets?
ver getyviT, komitets ra
hqonda da ar hqonda gaTvlili. ambavi paraskevs gavige, roca Jurnalistma
damireka da mkiTxa, viyavi Tu
ara saqmis kursSi da vuTxari, rom araferi vicodi.
rogor fiqrobT, ras
ukavSirdeba ganaTlebisa
da mecnierebis komitetis
iniciativa?
axali ambebi
yaCaRuri Tavdasxmisas
76 wlis daviT
qarCava mokles
yaCaRuri Tavdasxmisas mkvleloba moxda. xobis raionis
sofel TorsaSi damnaSaveebma
76 wlis daviT qarCava mokles.
moxucma Tavdamsxmelebs
winaaRmdegoba gauwia da maTi
mogerieba sakuTari TofiT
scada, Tumca erT erTma dam-
naSavem gasrola daaswro.
daviT qarCava miRebuli
Wrilobisgan gardaicvala.
Tavdasxmis dros ojaxSi ojaxis sxva wevrebic imyofebodnen. gardacvlilis Svili yaCaRebma TokiT gakoWes.
saxlidan gatacebulia
3 500 lari da oqros beWedi.
policiis informaciiT,
TavdasxmaSi sami damnaSave
monawileobda. samarTaldamcvelTa ganmartebiT danaSauli gaxsnilia. policiisaTvis
cnobilia yaCaRebis vinaoba
da tardeba operacia maT
dasakaveblad.
mosamarTleebsa da
iusticiis sabWos
TanamSromlebs
xelfasebi
gaezrdebaT
saqarTvelos premier-ministri, finansTa ministrTan
erTad, iusticiis sabWos mdivans levan murusiZes Sexvda.
Sexvedraze mosamarTleebisaTvis socialuri garantiebis uzrunvelyofis garda
aseve gadawyda, rom gaizrdeba iusticiis sabWos roli
12 oqtombridan sajaro
skolebSi saatestato
gamocdebi iwyeba.
ramdenad momzadebuli
xvdeba am process
gamocdebis erovnuli
centri?
ganaTlebisa da
mecnierebis komitets
TqvenTan aranairi
konsultacia ar gauvlia?
ara, aranairi konsultacia
ar gauvliaT, yvelaferi Jurnalistisgan
gavige.
saqarTvelos masStabiT rva
umaRlesi saswavlebeli gvaqvs, sadac axalgazrda SemoqmedebiTi turebis safuZvelze iricxeba. magaliTad,
konservatoria gvaqvs TbilisSic, quTaisSic da baTumSic. Tbilisis konservatoria
ar cnobs baTumisa da quTaisis konservatoriebis Sefasebas. ra vuyoT im axalgazrdas, romelic quTaisis konservatoriis SemoqmedebiT
turSi miiRebs umaRles Sefasebas? vuTxraT, raxan
gamocda quTaisSi Caabara, naklebad niWieria?
momaval welsac rom
gamovidnen mSoblebi da
moiTxovon sakuTari
Svilebis meoradi
Caricxva, maSin ras
izamT?
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gamoxatvis Semdeg aravis
gasCenia survili
komitetis wevrebidan,
rom Segxvedrodnen?
ara, aranairi.
meorad CaricxvebTan
dakavSirebiT ganaTlebis
ministrma Tamar
sanikiZem daaxloebiT
erTi Tvis win ganacxada,
rom 700 abiturienti
meoradi Caricxvebis
gziT Cairicxeba
umaRlesebSi. axla ra
etapzea es procesi?
marTali giTxraT, saqmis
kursSi ar var, radgan am
process saministro axorcielebs. Cven, ubralod, bolos, roca Svidasive abiturientis ganacxadis miReba da
ba, magram ministrma gadawyvetileba miiRo.
ganaTlebis ministrs Tu
isev erTpirovnulad
SeeZleba, meoradi
Caricxvebi dauSvas, maSin
ra azri hqonda mis
gauqmebas?
Cveni pozicia meorad CaricxvebTan
dakavSirebiT
araerTxel dagvifiqsirebia
da arc axla Segvicvlia mosazreba. Tumca yvelaze
metad am situaciaSi rac mixaria, is aris, rom rasac
miCveuli viyaviT, aRar arsebobs. kerZod, gansxvavebuli
azris gamoTqma danaSaulad
ar miiCneva. imis miuxedavad,
rom am konkretul sakiTxSi
me da Tamar sanikiZe erTma-
bi sxvadasxva mosazrebebis
gaziarebis safuZvelze miiReba. es warmatebis winapirobaa. tragedia ar aris
imaSi, rom me da ministrs
radikalurad gansxvavebuli
pozicia gvaqvs.
meorad CaricxvebTan
dakavSirebiT erToblivi
konsultacia ar gqoniaT
ganaTlebis ministrTan?
Tamar sanikiZem am sakiTxTan
dakavSirebiT, zogadad, icoda Cemi pozicia, radgan Sedegebis gamocxadebis Semdeg
gvqonda Sexvedra da mixaria,
rom gaamarTla Cvenma SeTavazebam da abiturientebs 13
agvistomde hqondaT SesaZlebloba, ganacxadi SeecvalaT.
rac mTavaria, SeuzRudavad
moswavleebis registracia
ukve dasrulda da 39 000
moswavle Caabarebs gamocdas.
samwuxarod, es cifri wina
wlebSi bevrad ufro maRali
iyo. 1500-ze meti skola emzadeba am procesis Casatareblad. rac dagegmili gvqonda, yvelaferi wesisa da
rigis dacviT mimdinareobs.
didi imedi maqvs, rom yvelaferi kargad iqneba. Sedegebze naklebad vnerviulob,
radgan moswavleebs SesaZlebloba aqvT, gamocda gazafxulzec xelaxla Caabaron.
gadasalaxi
ramdenia?
barieri
minimaluri barieria 5,5. ase
rom, barieri maRali ar aris
da imedi maqvs, meTormeteklaselebi gamocdas warmatebiT Caabareben.
sasamarTlo reformis ganxorcielebaSi. “es axalgazrda adamiani, romelic aris
demokratiuli gziT arCeuli,
ikisrebs pasuxismgeblobas
sasamarTlos damoukideblobaze. mas surs, rom mosamarTles hqondes ndoba da
prestiJi, sasamarTlo ki iyos
damoukidebeli. me darwmunebuli var, rom Cveni xelisuflebis wevrebi ver gabedaven
sasamarTlos muSaobaSi Carevas, amaze iqneba umkacresi
reagireba. Tumca aucilebelia TiToeuli mosamarTle
gaTavisufldes wina xelisuflebis valdebulebisaganac.
es adamiani aris amis garanti,
“ – aRniSna Sexvedris dasrulebis Semdeg biZina ivaniSvilma.
axali ambebi
30 premieri
oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013 #5 (005)
`miyvars velosipedis Tavidan gamogoneba~
maka svimoniSvili
`premieri~ mxatvar
rusudan fetviaSvils
esaubra.
q-no rusudan,
safrangeTidan axlaxan
CamoxvediT. gamofena
gqondaT?
parizSi, san-Jermenze, daniel
besaJis galereaSi gaixsna Cemi
Tema gaxsnilia. pirveli
gamofena 6 wlis asakSi
gqondaT. aseTi iyo
maSinac patara mxatvari?
maSin ufro Tavisufali da
gaxsnili viyavi, radgan
asakis matebasTan erTad
SezRudvebic Semodis. Cemi
namuSevrebis
pirveli
gamofena bavSvTa xelovnebis
galereaSi moewyo, romelic
elene axvledianma gaxsna.
gamofena Zalian tevadi iyo.
80 namuSevari gaxldaT warmodgenili. Zalian didi
dinos. amasTanave, am bavSvebs
mSoblebic unda hyavdeT iseTi, romlebic bavSvis SesaZleblobebs gaacnobiereben
da upiratesobas ara tansacmlis yidvas, aramed mis SemoqmedebiT niWs mianiWeben. me
fufunebaSi ar gavzrdilvar,
magram Cemi mSoblebi xelovanebi iyvnen da maT esmodaT,
rom bavSvs unda misce ara
tansacmeli da sxva yofiTi
nivTebi, aramed is sazrdo,
romliTac Semdeg cxovreba-
Tavic ki gadavixotre.
CemTvis Zalian mZime iyo uxeSi garemo da amdeni ubedureba. am mZime periodis
Semdeg Cemi bavSvobis megobar
deda TebroniasTan erTad
Sevxvdi uwmindess sapatriarqoSi. maSin SemomTavaza uwmindesma saxarebaze muSaoba.
sainteresoa, rom am mZime
wlebis ganmavlobaSi mudmivad vkiTxulobdi biblias,
saxarebasa da mociqulTa
saqmeebs. nusxaxucuri da
asomTavruli damwerlobac
Zalian kargad vicodi.
TiTqos momzadebuli viyavi
saamisod. ra Tqma unda,
TiTqos, radgan amisTvis momzadebuli arasdros ar aris
adamiani. uwmindesis rezidenciaSi vmuSaobdi sami wlis
ganmavlobaSi da es sami weli
sxva araferi gamikeTebia, saRamos locvis dros muSaoba
msiamovnebda, es yvelaferi
karg garemos miqmnida muSaobisTvis. samuSao didxans
gagrZelda da patriarqma
miTxra, rom mxatvrebis
jgufi Segveqmna. bolos oci
adamiani muSaobda saxarebaze da erT weliwadSi davasruleT kidec.
gqoniaT rodisme
survili, rom ar
dagexataT?
gamofena. besaJi mTel evropaSi galereebis qselis
mflobelia. es adamiani
Zalian gaxsnilia, CemTvis
advilia masTan urTierToba.
rodesac pirvelad Sevxvdi,
JenevaSi mqonda gamofena, vidre is JenevaSi safrangeTidan gadaitanda namuSevrebs,
parizis galereaSi unda Sevxvedrodi. agviandeboda da,
ramdenime mxatvarTan erTad,
galereaSi velodebodi. am
dros galereaSi Semovida
maTxovari, daubaneli da
mSieri, romelic iqve gaCerda. mas yuradReba aravin miaqcia. am dros danielic Semovida. man Cven arc ki Semogvxeda da maTxovrisken
gaemarTa. xeli CamoarTva,
yava SesTavaza. is pirvel
rigSi mas daelaparaka, ramac
Cemze udidesi STabeWdileba
datova. maSinve mivxvdi, rom
es adamiani sando iyo. mas ar
aqvs arc plusi, arc minusi,
is ar arCevs adamianebs. aRfrTovanebuli davrCi misiT da
pirobebze aRarc ki mifiqria.
dRemde Zalian axlo urTierToba gvaqvs. danieli Zalian
mdidaria, is yvela kategoriis adamianTan megobrobs. amitom man CemSi udidesi ndoba gamoiwvia. swored mis
galereaSi maqvs gamofena,
romelic 19 oqtombramde
gagrZeldeba.
ambobT, rom namdvili
mxatvari Tavisufalia da
Tqvens namuSevrebSi yvela
formatis muyaoebze mravalfiguriani kompoziciebi iyo
Sesrulebuli. iyo absoluturi Tavisufleba fantaziis, gamoxatulebis mxriv. ar
mqonda aranairi SezRudva
arc SiSveli adamianebis da
arc arabunebrivi arsebebis
daxatvaSi. zrdasruli adamiani ufro akontrolebs sakuTar Tavs.
rogor fiqrobT,
dRevandel qarTul
realobaSi adamians
SeuZlia mxolod Tavisi
niWiTa da
profesionalizmiT
miaRwios warmatebas, Tu,
amasTanave, aucilebelia,
popularuli ojaxis
Svilic iyos?
Zalian vdardob, rom arian
bavSvebi, romlebic SeiZleba
Zalian niWierebi iyvnen, magram ar hqondeT SesaZlebloba, TavianTi niWi gamoavlinon. me da Cemma megobrebma
bevri vifiqreT, davwereT
proeqtebi, rogor SeiZleba
davexmaroT socialurad
daucvel bavSvebs, romelTac
furclisa da wignis yidvis
saSualeba ar aqvT. samwuxarod, am problemas Cems
doneze ver movagvareb. me
arc iseTi mdidari var, es
rom SevZlo. amas sxvanairi
globaluri midgoma sWirdeba. bavSvs, romelic Rarib
ojaxSi izrdeba, sadac kvebis, wignisa da tansacmlis
problemaa, gauWirdeba, sakuTari Tavis realizeba moax-
Si isazrdoebs. saxelmwifom
aucileblad unda izrunos,
rom yvela bavSvi socialurad daculi iyos. am Temaze
me da Cemma megobarma deda
Tebroniam patriarqis fondSi ganmkargulebeli sabWos
wevrad yofnis dros, bevri
vifiqreT. proeqtebic davwereT, magram imden problemas wavawydiT, rom Tavi ver
movabiT. Semdeg mivxvdiT,
rom qveda donidan amis gakeTeba SeuZlebelia, es ufro
globalurad, mTavrobis
doneze unda gadawydes. niWier bavSvs Tavidanve Tu ar
daexmare, mere gaWirvebis
dros cvdeba, uxeSdeba misi
suli. vici, es bavSvisTvis ra
neli asatania. amitom mniSvnelovania, rom am mxriv
daculi iyos yvela bavSvi.
simarTle giTxraT, aseTi periodi ar mqonia, radgan
CemTvis iseTive bunebrivia
xatva, rogorc saerTod adamianisTvis sunTqva, piris
dabana, da sxva. es Cemi fiqris,
azrisa da grZnobis yvelaze
Zlieri gamoxatvis saSualebaa. amitom aseTi periodi ar
mqonia, me xatvam gadamatanina mZime wlebi. im saSinel
droSi bebiis Zvel qurqSi
TqvenTvis
mniSvnelovania, vin
yidulobs naxats?
didi mniSvneloba aqvs.
vfiqrob, rom yvela adamiani,
visac Cemi namuSevari aqvs,
CemTvis axlobeli adamiania.
ratomRac mgonia, adamians,
romelic CemTvis miuRebelia,
Cemi namuSevari ver eqneba.
aucilebelia, rom is iyos
keTili. sikeTeze mniSvnelovani arc Wkuaa da arc niWi.
marTla giyvarT
velosipedis Tavidan
gamogoneba?
diax, miyvars velosipedis
Tavidan gamogoneba, radgan
mgonia, rom adamiani imas
igonebs, ra niuansic gakeTebis dros daaklda. ukve gamogonebuls, rogorc wesi,
aravin arafers umatebs.
aRaravin cdilobs mis damatebas, radgan ukve CarCoSi
zis. magram Tu ar CaTvli
saWirod, rom es CarCo
icode, maSin im detals amateb, rac sinamdvileSi am
CarCos aklda.
Tqven 2011 wlis 26
maiss, aqciis darbevis
meore dRes,
brwyinvalebis ordeni
miiReT, amas
sazogadoebis nawili
araerTgvarovnad Sexvda.
rogor fiqrobT,
xelovans xom ar
azaralebs es? amas
ratom gekiTxebiT, iciT?
xSirad sazogadoebis im
nawilSi, romelic
xelovanis pozicias ar
eTanxmeba, garkveuli
`agresia~ Cndeba mis
mimarT.
me Zalian Sors var politikidan da is CemTvis Zalian
umniSvneloa. CemTvis mTavar-
qcev. aqedan gamomdinare, mimaCnia, rom is araerTgvarovani damokidebuleba, romelic gaCnda, bunebrivia, radgan viRacisTvis miuRebeli
iyo da es misi uflebaa.
vfiqrob, rom is adamianebi,
romlebic im Rames iq mividnen, Zlierebi da Tavisufalni
iyvnen. maT icodnen, iq
risTvis iyvnen, isini Rirseuli da mamaci adamianebi arian. mec vicodi, ratom mivdiodi. mimaCnia, rom mec mamaci viyavi, rodesac meore
dRes iq mivedi. vicodi, rom
Cemi nabiji Zalian uaryofiT
damokidebulebas gamoiwvevda. magram me adamians
davpirdi da mas zurgs veranairad ver Sevaqcevdi. miT
ufro, rom erTi TviT adre
davTanxmdi ordenis miRebas.
vfiqrob, rom mamacurad
moviqeci, radgan vicodi,
rom es nabiji CemTvis saziano iqneboda. me iribad
CamrTes politikaSi, Tumca
es Cemi survili ar yofila.
Tqveni meuRlec
xelovania, rTuli ar
aris ori xelovanis
erT WerqveS cxovreba?
Cemi meuRle Tojinebis saxelmwifo Teatris direqtoria. profesiiT reJisoria. is
Zalian kargad xatavs. Cven
yovelTvis erTad varT. marto arsad davdivar, ar SemiZlia. CemTvis is mcveliviT
aris, radgan axlobelis
gareSe CemTvis Zalian rTulia adamianebTan urTierToba, radgan
mgonia, rom
daucveli var, sinamdvileSi
es ase ar aris, magram aseTi
gancda maqvs. rodesac axlobeli
gyavs
sayrdenad,
yovelTvis SegiZlia, mis
zurgs amoefaro, radgan bevri Secdomisgan ar xar dac-
sami weli saxarebaze
muSaobdiT. rogor
gaixsenebdiT am
periods?
es iyo CemTvis Zalian didi
gardatexis periodi. manamde
iyo samoqalaqo omi. am dros,
faqtobrivad, mTlianad davingrie. maSin me da Cemi
meuRle a saqarTvelodan
rwavediT. ver davtoveT
aqauroba, TiTqos megona,
rom Cemis wasvliT raRac
daSavdeboda. imis miuxedavad,
rom wasvlis saSualebebi arsebobda, davrCiT TbilisSi.
magram es Zalian Zvirad damijda. Cavvardi depresiaSi,
imdenad cudad viyavi, rom
gaxveuli vijeqi da uzarmazar tiloebs gayinul oTaxSi,
galurjebuli xelebiT vxatavdi. es namuSevrebi axla
amerikis kerZo koleqciebSi
inaxeba. swored xatvam gadamatanina es periodi, Torem
megona, ver gavuZlebdi da
movkvdebodi.
ia pirobis Sesruleba. Tu
adamiani Cemi megobaria, arasdros vuRalateb da zurgSi
danas ar Cavartyam. Tu adamianis mimarT keTilganwyobas gamovxatav, imis gamo,
rom sxvas ar moswons is adamiani, da rom es CemTvis sazaraloa, mas zurgs ar Seva-
uli. roca sayvareli adamiani Sen gverdiT aris da ganuwyvetliv
Tval-yurs
gadevnebs _ es kargia. erTad
cxovreba rTuli ar aris,
imitomac, rom erTmaneTSi
sruliad ar vikveTebiT. is
Cemiania da me _ misiani.
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#5 (005) oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013
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guliveri makbetis winaaRmdeg
daviT buxrikiZe
m
exuTe
saerTaSoriso
festivalma ukve
ekvatori
gadalaxa.
rober lepaJis
naxevarSedevris Semdeg,
publika gansakuTrebuli
interesiT eloda
gasuli wlis favoritis,
poloneli reJisoris,
maia kleCevskas `makbets~. am
molodins uTuod
ganapirobebda
TeatralTa mexsierebaSi
samudamod aRbeWdili
speqtakli `RmerTebis
sikvdili~, romelic ian
koxanovskis saxelobis
Teatrma qalaq
opoledan gasul wels
festivalze warmoadgina.
`makbeti~ Zalauflebis, Zaladobisa da bedisweris Temebis
mudmivi kombinaciaa. icvleba
dro, magram adamianTa survilebi, vnebebi da miswrafebebi ucvlelia. postmodernistulad
aWrelebuli da amave dros, zardamcemi da cinikuria maia
kleCevskas speqtakli, mis mTavar gzavnilebs scenografi da
scena
`guliveris
mogzauroba
mogzauroba~~
Tbilisis Teatraluri festivalis
gamorCeuli speqtaklebi
scena
mxatvari, katarJina borkovska
vizualurad `axmovanebs~. moqmedeba maqsimalurad abstragirebulia da sadRac gadakargul
megapolisSi xdeba. xan transseqsual-kudianTa barSi xarT, xan
axlad daqorwinebuli milioneris binaSi, xanac kolumbieli narko-mafiozebis agarakze. scenur
sivrces damcinav metaforad gasdevs disko da pop-musika. diskos SesrulebiT garTuli kudianebi TiTqos arc imCneven sisastikesa da Zaladobas. piriqiT,
isini Tavadac xalisianad monawileoben Zaladobis karnavalSi.
Seqspiris piesis mTavar gzavnils _ ratom izidavs da anadgurebs adamians Zalaufleba _
speqtaklidan
reJisori daundobeli da cinikuri TamaSis wesebiT gadmoscems.
dankani, benko, makdafi, makbeti
Tanamedrove biznesmenebi arian,
romelTa garyvnili da Zaladobrivi fantazia arsebobisTvis
haers aravis utovebs.
Tu `RmerTebis sikvdilSi~
RmerTis arsebobis damadasturebeli konvulsiebi fon esebekebis ojaxis aristokratiuli
mgrZnobelobisa da warsulis
didebis wyalobiT jer kidev
SemorCenilia, `makbetSi~ is marTlac mkvdaria. ufro zustad, egzistenciurad mkvdari da Sesabamisad, aRarc ismeba kiTxva, Tu
vin agebs pasuxs borotebis qarborbalaze. makbet-ledi makbetis
duetSi mainc mixal maJnicis mier
speqtaklidan
`makbeti~
gansaxierebuli makbeti gamoirCeva, romelic fsiqologiurad
daundobel, borotebiT mowamlul da depresiaSi Cavardnil
kacs TamaSobs. simarTle rom
iTqvas, pop-musikiTa da xmauriT
gadatvirTuli scenebi, transseqsual-mCxibavTa mxiaruli rokva
(gloria geineris hitis fonze),
almodovaris, bob fosis filmebis citireba da odnav uxamsi
tonaloba, xarisxs namdvilad
ukargavs speqtakls.
saxelovani rumineli reJisoris, silviu purkaretes
speqtakli `godos molodinSi~
gacilebiT axloa Cexovis piesebis atmosferosTan da Caplinis
`patara adamianis~ gandebis aRwerasTan. sad mTavrdeba realoba
da sad iwyeba usasruloba? ra
xdeba ori usaxlkaro, miviwyebuli adamianis gulSi? aris Tu ara
`godo~ mxolod metafizika, Tu
es yvela Cvenganis molodinia?
beketis universaluri teqsti imitomac aris gamorCeuli, rom avtori ar miuTiTebs savaldebulo veqtorze _ saiT miiswrafvis
kacobrioba. is egzistenciur
arCevans Tavad piesis mkiTxvels,
Semdeg ukve mayurebels utovebs.
purkaretes
speqtakli
konkretuli personaJebis _ gogosa da didis TamaSis wyalobiT
(aRsaniSnavia, rom didis rols
cnobili rumineli msaxiobi,
`radu stancas~ dasis mTavari
persona, konstantin kiriaki asrulebs) Cveulebrivi, siuJetis
mqone piesis konturebs iZens. reJisuris wyalobiT is bevrad realisturi, adamianuri da zustia,
vidre absurduli, cotaTi bundovani da ganyenebuli. rac
umetes SemTxvevaSi am piesis
dadgmisas xdeba xolme.
mayurebelsac TiTqmis igive
molodini uCndeba, rac personaJebs. isic viRac godos molodinSia _ imediT, refleqsiiT, usasoobiT, vedrebiT. silviu pukarete beketis samyaros cxadad
da atmosferos SegrZnebiT aRwers. amavdroulad, moqmedeba
moqceulia
polieTilenis
kedlebiT SemosazRvrul, adamianuri grZnobebiT gamTbar
sivrceSi. scenografia TiTqos
ltolvilTa banaksac hgavs, rac
ase mtkivneul asociaciebs
aRZravs mayurebelSi.
ufro STambeWdavi aRmoCnda
silviu purkaretes meore safestivalo speqtakli `guliveris
mogzauroba~. rogorc programaSia miTiTebuli _ `samsaxiobo savarjiSoebi jonaTan sviftis
nawarmoebze~ (kompozitori Son
davi, scenografi da mxatvari
dragos buhagiari).
xilvebi, koSmaruli sizmrebi
Tu performansuli xedva reJisors jonaTan sviftis nawarmoebis sruliad axleburi
gaazrebis saSualebas aZlevs.
fantastika moulodnelad politikur satiras erwymis. mraval-
scena
ricxovani personaJebi Son davis
originaluri musikis fonze
(mkiTxvels SevaxsenebT, rom Son
davi `mxiaruli sasaflaos xmebis~ avtoria) warmoadgenen sxvadasxva Temebs: mogzaurobas,
gaqcevas, gadasaxlebas, simartoves, koleqtiur sigiJes...
speqtakls Tavad svifti iwyebs,
romelic sicocxlis ukanasknel
wlebs TavSesafarSi atarebs;
gonebrivad ukve degradirebuli,
fizikurad dasustebuli.
absolutur scenur siTeTres, simarTle rom vTqvaT,
peter vaisis cnobili piesa `marat-sadi~ ufro mouxdeboda.
scenidan Tavad reJisoris xma
ismis, romelic `guliveris mogzaurobis~ meoTxe wignidan fragments kiTxulobs. is iahuebis
qveynidan brundeba. scenaze cxenis formaSi gadacmuli qalbatonebi moZraoben, Semdeg scenaze
namdvili cxenic gaivlis. yvelaferi, rac scenaze xdeba, an
avtoris sizmris nawilia, an realuri koSmari. patara bavSvi ki
cxenis formis velosipedze zis
da iahus STamomavalTa saSinel
yofas uyurebs...
`guliveri~ pirquSi, ucnauri
da fantasmagoriuli sanaxaobaa.
iseTi STabeWdileba grCeba,
TiTqos reJisoris inspiracia
erTdroulad bosxis tiloebs,
gogolis nawarmoebebsa da pazolinis `salos~ moicavs. robotebiviT momuSave kacebi da saSineli da dasneulebuli qalebi
ucodveli bavSvisgan (romelic
jonaTan sviftis naSromebSi RmerTis simbolos warmoadgens)
codvebis Sewyalebas iTxoven, magram gviania _ isini gadarCenisTvis erTmaneTs xocaven. Tumca finalSi moxuci svifti da
bavSvi erTmaneTs xvdebian da
mTeli es saaTnaxevriani scenuri
sigiJe moulodnelad poeziiT
ivseba.
erTi sityviT, rom ganvazogadoT, festivalze mainc `guliveris~ bavSvi `makbetis~ kudians
amarcxebs!
speqtaklidan
`godos
molodinSi
molodinSi~~
32 premieri
daviT buxrikiZe
erTi SexedviT aRarc
gansakuTrebulad
skandaluria da aRarc
dros flangavs
SouebisTvis. ukeT gaigo
namdvili megobrebis
fasi, romelTa
SenarCunebaSi isev `mware
cxovreba~ daexmara,
radgan `tkbili~
sizarmacisa da
drostarebis garda,
verafers aswavlida.
dRes ambobs, rom `Tu
xelovneba socialuri da
tkiviliT gaJRenTili ar
aris, yalbia da
daviwyebisTvis
ganwiruli~.
oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013 #5 (005)
RaribTa locva
xalxis
damokidebuleba
politikisa da politikosebis mimarT. axla metia undobloba da imedgacrueba
yvelas mimarT. adre is cota
infantiluri iyo da egona,
rom sxva mougvarebda problemebs, axla is marto darCa
sakuTar arCevanTan da amitom imedgacrueba metia. Tumca me bunebiT optimisti var
da yvelaferi, rac xdeba sazogadoebaSi, kulturaSi, mediaSi... yvelaferi mjera, maT
Soris isic, rom cvlilebebi
Cvenzea damokidebuli da ara
garedan moxveul ideologiaze an pirovnebaze.
artistma, xelovanma (Tu
es gamoTqma SenTvis
jer aRweros da mere Secvalos. cxadia, Tu SeuZlia.
Cveni kultura da xelovneba
namdvili komformistebis
TavSesafaria. Tan yvelas
pirveloba da sxvaze upiratesobis mopoveba surs.
Tbilisi aris qalaqi, sadac
erTdroulad bevri mefe
cxovrobs... patara mefe, didi
mefe, xelmocaruli mefe,
mefe-poeti, musikis mefe. ra
vici, kidev aTasi. arada mefeebi verasodes verafers
Secvlian, isini mxolod
ritualebis tyveebi arian. ki,
namdvili xelovani cvlis
dros, formas, konteqsts,
magram sinamdvileSi isini ar
arseboben Cvens sivrceSi.
darCnen
komunisturi
e
rT dros literaturuli wesrigis
`amfeTqebeli~,
bevrisTvis skandalebis avtori
da `mtris litxatad~ Seracxuli
erekle deisaZe dRes sul
sxva kacia, vidre `saidumlo
sirobamde~ iyo: socialuri
provokaciis kargi saqonelmcodne da politikuri
daZabulobis mudmivi maZiebeli; `skolis programaSi Sesatani leqsebisa~ da roman
`damlagebelis~
avtori,
romelic, sxvaTa Soris, wels
literaturul premia `sabas~
nominaciaSic moxvda.
rogorc erTma misma
Tayvanismcemelma (iqneb megobarma, an moSurnem?) dawera: `erekles fexze hkidia
Cveni optimizmi. aseve, fexze
hkidia Cveni Sewyalebac, sibralulica da sarkazmic da
es Zalian kargia~...
ar vici, kargia Tu
ara, roca mwerals, avtorsa
da zogadad, xelovans vinme
an rame fexze hkidia, magram
erekle deisaZesTan Sexvedris Semdeg namdvilad ar
damrCa STabeWdileba, rom is
gulgrili da cinikosia.
nametani eWvianebi, arakeTilmosurneni da literaturaSi
CaRrmavebulebi amboben, rom
man, ubralod, `relizmi ukeT
iswavla da mimikriis xelovnebas daeufla~. verafers getyviT, iqneb es interviu eWvsa da buruss nawilobriv mainc gafantavs.
erekle, ukve erTi weli
gavida mas Semdeg, rac
Sen da Senma megobrebma
oTaxebidan quCaSi
gamoitaneT da
saprotesto aqciebis
Temad aqcieT lozungi _
`sistema unda daingres~.
bevri ram Seicvala,
magram problemebi ki ar
gaqra, TiTqos
gamravlda. ra moxda,
sada varT? sistema,
romelsac ebrZodiT,
sadaa?
problemebi erTi xeli
dakvriT arasdros qreba.
Tumca bevri axalic gaCnda.
magaliTad,
sazRvris
yoveldRiuri gadmoweva
Zalian mZimea. meore Zalian
mwvave problemad isev
umuSevroba rCeba, romelic
erekle deisaZe:
`Tbilisi aris qalaqi,
sadac erTdroulad bevri
mefe cxovrobs~
qveyanaSi depresias kidev
ufro amZafrebs, mesame _
axalma xelisuflebam verafriT daamyara komunikacia
xalxTan, xolo iq, sadac ar
aris ndoba da komunikacia,
izrdeba imedgacrueba da
eWvi. roca me da Cemi megobrebi vaprotestebdiT arsebul situacias, gvqonda cvlilebebis molodini da es
normaluria. yvelas undoda
cvlileba,
Tumca
gansakuTrebuli molodini ar
mqonia.
rogor ggonia, ratom
gaqra brZolisa da
cvlilebis muxti?
ufro
axalgazrdebs
vgulisxmob...
ki ar gaqra, raRac sxva fazaSi gadavida, TiTqos gafer-
mkrTalda, ganeitralda. Tan
unda gaviTvaliswinoT, rom
politikuri da socialuri
movlenebis xSiri cvlilebebi axalgazrdobaSi daRlasa da imedgacruebas iwvevs.
jer erTi welic ar gasula
arCevnebidan da saprotesto
ganwyoba sazogadoebaSi iseTi mwvave ar aris. mec da Cemi
megobrebic cota sxvagvarad
vuyurebT movlenebs da ar
velodebiT, sxvebi rogor
moiqcevian da ra Sefasebas
miscemen. Cven meti gvaqvs da
gvqonda pasuxismgebloba,
romelsac piradad me ar gavurbivar. meti yuradRebiT
unda SevxedoT yvelafers,
rac momavals ukavSirdeba
da maSin ra Seicvala?
mgonia, rom Seicvala Tavad
maRalfardovani ar
aris), ra unda qnas aseT
dros? ra
pasuxismgebloba ekisreba
mas?
jandabas, mirCevnia, es
moduri sityva `artisti~
merqvas, vidre dakonservebuli xelovani. pirvel rigSi,
xelovanma unda aRweros
movlenebi _ gulwrfelad,
axlo xdiT, rac SeiZleba
zustad, daundoblad, Tundac saSinlad....
aRweros Tu Secvalos?
Tu Secvla misi saqme ar
aris?
droidan
SemorCenili,
mmarTvelobis gamocdilebis
mqone 40-50 wlis xalxi,
romelsac drosTan Seusabamo azrovneba aqvs... nu,
gamonakliss ar vgulisxmob.
maT dResac inteligencias
uwodeben.
magram, axali mefe?
gaixsene ra imedebs
amyarebdnen masze. fulis
tomrebiT aRWurvili,
uxilavi, miliarderi
`godo~, romlis
mosvlac didi xnis
lodinis Semdeg ufro
mistikas hgavda.
premieri
#5 (005) oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013
yvelaze didi Secdoma iyo
`Rvawlmosilebze~ misi fulis flangva. nacvlad imisa,
rom axali ideebi, Sexedulebebi da saerTod, niWieri axalgazrdebi waexalisebina,
naftalinSi Senaxuli xelovneba waaxalisa, rac
aRaravis sWirdeba. samwuxarod, dRes akonserveben axals
da aviTareben Zvels, rac
droSi isedac CamorCenil
xelovnebas ufro cud Sedegs
moutans.
ra aris, Seni azriT,
aseTi `mentaluri
cialuri da fsiqologiuri
problema. rogorc musikis
kritikosi da Jurnalisti,
niko nergaZe ityoda, `Cveni
musikosebi imazec ki ar weren simRerebs, yoveli meore
quCaSi sigarets rom iTxovs~.
cotaTi mikvirs, rom
naklebs laparakob
sakuTar Tavze da ufro
ganzogadebul Temebs
exebi.
mkiTxe da getyvi erekle deisaZis mier Cadenil saSinelebebzec.
cialur SekveTaze agebul
cru xats da mere Tavad
sargeblobs amiT. rac mTavaria, asaRebs mas, rogorc
namdvils. es marTla katastrofaa, magram ase xdeba
xelovanebi daasaxelo,
romlebmac Senze gavlena
moaxdines? vin aris
SenTvis inspiraciis
wyaro?
da mTavar Temebsac mkarnaxoben. xelovneba bevri ramisgan aTavisuflebs da CemTvis
es mTavaria.
pirvel rigSi, swored axalgazrda Taobis xelovanebi,
romlebic damyayebul garemos cvlian, an cdiloben,
Secvalon da es Zalian maxarebs. magaliTad, saSualo
Taobis SesaniSnavi poeti da
filosofosi mamuka lekiaSvili, romlis Sesaxebac dRes
Zalian mwiria informacia.
ra grZnoba gqonda,
`saba~ rom ver aiRe?
Seni romani
`damlagebeli~ bevrs
swored klasikuri
literaturuli sivrcis
garRvevad eCveneba.
amgvari `feodaluri~ mentalobis mizezi aris reaqciuloba da wina Taobis upasuxismgebloba, romelmac drois
Secvla ver moaxerxa da warsulSi darCa. isini mamebze
ufro metad warsulze aRmoCndnen gamobmulni da ar
gauxsnes kari momavals. Cvenma kulturam saerTod gamotova siRaribe, rogorc so-
ramdenime wlis winaT
ufro aqtiuri iyavi;
media lamis SeniT
sazrdoobda. giwvevdnen
gadacemebSi, werdnen da
laparakobdnen Sens
Sesaxeb. jer gaqebdnen,
mere glanZRavdnen.
Rvawlmosilebi
ZiriTadad `meoradi
moxmarebis~ mwerlad
mogixseniebdnen...
media da mwerali an artisti, es calke Temaa. mas SeuZlia iseTad warmogaCinos,
rogorc TviTon unda. is ayalibebs raRac gaugebar so-
mokled, TviTironia
SenTvis yoveldRiuri
Sromis iaraRia...
xelovani, romelsac sakuTari Tavis dacinva ar SeuZlia, yovelTvis wagebuli
darCeba. vcdilob, yvelas
davaswro da pirvelma davcino sakuTar Tavs. da Tu me
ar movindome, amas sxvebi
mainc gaakeTeben... isev sjo-
gamikvirda, romanis nominaciaSi rom moxvda. CemTvis es
ufro zedmeti oTxi aTasi
iqneboda.
anu `saukeTeso piesis~
nominaciaSi
gamarjvebulma aleqs
CiRvinaZem `sabaze~
mxolod zedmeti oTxi
aTasi miiRo?..
ara, es mxolod Cems Tavze
vTqvi. ase vTqvaT, vxalisob.
misTvis bevrad meti minda;
msoflios yvela kargi literaturuli premiac ki.
leqsam marTlac Zalian novatoruli piesa dawera da
bia, me viyo daundobeli sakuTari Tavis mimarT. es arc
modunebis saSualebas momcems.
gavige, rom axali
leqsebis gamoqveynebas
apireb...
ho, minda axali krebulis
gamocema, ase 30-35 leqsi ukve
dawerili maqvs.
iqneb Seni
`damlagebelis~ patara
fragmenti da ori-sami
leqsi eqskluziurad
gamovaqveynoT?
rasakvirvelia, mxolod gamixardeba...
gaavrcelon, es mxolod Cems
arsebobas adasturebs. rac
Seexeba epiTets _ `meoradi~,
ra unda vTqva, `pirveladebisTvis~, cxadia, me `meoradi~
var... aq xom yvela pirvelobas Cemulobs.
Sen gverdiT
yovelTvisaa saintereso
adamianebisa da
megobrebis wre,
xelovanebi, artistebi,
kargi gagebiT
provokatorebi... vin
arian isini? SegiZlia is
fragmenti romanidan `damlagebeli~:
p
mixaria misi warmateba. ho, me
`sabas~ kidev davucdi, ar
meCqareba.
yvelgan, mTel msoflioSi.
sadac meinstrim-mediaa, iq
xelovanis
pirovnuloba
ikargeba. Cemi xati mediam
Seqmna. da axla, roca iseTi
ar var, rogoric maT surT,
TiTqmis TamaSgareT davrCi,
an am mdgomareobaSi yofna
miwevs. magram es ukeTesia.
rac unda daweron, an Worebi
e.w. kiber Teatris warmomadgenlebi _ giorgi xasaia, vako
nacvliSvili, giorgi wurwumia, mirian gorgoZe... mwerali aleqs CiRvinaZe, poeti
paata Samugia. ar SemiZlia
ufrosi Taobis SesaniSnav
poetze, vaxtang javaxaZeze
ar vTqva. misi yoveli axali
leqsi maocebs da marwmunebs,
rom is namdvili poetia da
yovelTvis ZiebaSia. aseve,
Cemi megobrebi arian _ SoTa
gagarini, sandro naveriani,
zura jiSkariani. mokled,
isini inspiraciasac maZleven, urTierTobis gasaRebsac
feodalizmis~ mizezi?
iqneb mxolod Zvel
drosa da komunizmSi ar
aris problema?
gansakuTrebuli grZnoba,
Relva Tu SegrZneba ar mqonia. ubralod, is ufro
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irvelad iyo sityva da sityva iyo igi - bosi. Semdeg RmerTma talaxi mozila da Seqmna
kukuri, saxed da xatad Tavisa. magram kukurim Tma-wveri SeiWra da viwrototebiani Sarvali
moirgo. fexze tyavis fexsacmeli, tanze ki iasamnisferi perangi Caicva. qadagebebsa da
saswaulebis moxdenas, kukurim gamomcemlobis daarseba arCia da kukuri Tavad iqca saswaulad.
ra Tqma unda, mas wyalze gavla ar SeuZlia, magram curva kargad gamosdis, iseve rogorc
uniWo mwerlebis daostateba da brendad qceva. es ukve saswaulia, imaze meti, vidre qaris
damorCileba an mkvdris gacocxleba~.
gamouqveynebeli leqsebi
`dilis apokrifi~
`RaribTa locva~
`dideba Senda, ufalo...
ufulo Semiwyale,
ufulo Semiwyale,
ufulo Semiwyale,
W-amen!~
`mama, Ze da suli wminda
Wama, rZe da fulic minda~.
`08-08-08~
`Weri iqa, Wurvi aqa,
nato iqa, qvrivi aqa,
amerika - mada faka!~
34 premieri
irakli yuraSvili
b
olo erTi
wlis
ganmavlobaSi
isedac
gaurkvevel gzabilikebze
mdgarma
qarTulma
Soubiznesma mravali
epiTeti moirgo _
mokvda, gardaicvala,
komaSia, saRaTas Zilma
uwia... Tumca am
pirobebSic ki arseboben
momRerlebi, romlebic
far-xmals ar yrian.
momRerali ani RonRaZe
erT-erTi maTgania, vinc
`axali xmidan~ evropaSi
cdilobs gasvlas.
samomavlo gegmebze
momRerali `premiers~
esaubra:
oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013 #5 (005)
ani RonRaZe Seyvarebulia
da parizul gegmebs awyobs
popularuli. marTalia, am
sferoSi moRvawe adamianebs
aqvT `gadarCenasTan~ dakavSirebiT sakuTari Sexedulebebi, mza receptebic ki, magram, roca am yvelafers vismen, Zalian xSirad mrCeba
STabeWdileba, rom
yvelaferi `viRacam~ unda gaakeTos, viRacam unda gadawyvitos, moagvaros. am dros,
CvenTan minimum musikaluri
arxic ki ar aris, sadac momRerali Tavis Semoqmedebas
aCvenebs mayurebels.
ani, rogorc
sazogadoebam Seityo,
`quCis biWebTan~ Cawere
simRera, klipic mzadaa...
me da zura xaCiZem saerTo
megobrisgan gavicaniT erTmaneTi. `axali xmis~ periodSi xSiri kontaqti gvqonda.
zuram gamacno jgufis danarCeni wevrebi. mere daibada
idea, rom kargi iqneboda,
erToblivi simRera Cagvewera. simReris Caweris mere
klipis gadaRebis idea gaCnda. simRera dagviwera paata
facuriam. klipi Tornike
gulaSvilma gadaiRo. biWebTan erTad muSaoba Zalian
saintereso iyo. isini Cemi
axlo megobrebi arian da
Zalian mexmarebian yvelaferSi. imedi maqvs, rom simReraca da klipic sakmaod popularuli gaxdeba.
`axali xmis~ axali
sezoni iwyeba. es
proeqti SenTvis
gansakuTrebuli
mniSvnelobisaa. ra
molodinebi gaqvs wels
da sakuTari favoritic
xom ar gyavs?
daveswari brma qasTingebis
Caweras. bevri kargi monawile iqneba axal sezonSi. erT
favorits konkretulad ver
davasaxeleb. ramdenime Cemi
megobaric monawileobs. maT
da yvela monawiles warmatebebs vusurveb.
rodis ixilavs klips
mayurebeli?
erT-erTi gamorCeuli
monawile iyavi Sous
msvlelobisas, rogori
gavlena iqonia proeqtma
Sens cxovrebaze?
klips daaxloebiT or kviraSi naxavs mayurebeli. premiera `rusTavi 2~-ze, `profilSi~ iqneba.
Zalian mixaria, rom pirveli
sezonis monawile viyavi.
vfiqrob, pirveli mainc
gamorCeuli iyo. proeqtma
Cems cxovrebaSi bevri ram
Secvala. pirvel rigSi, is,
rom miviRe Zalian didi
gamocdileba.
proeqtis
damTavrebis Semdeg Seicvala
Cemi yoveldRiuri cxovrebac. rac mTavaria, bevri adamiani gavicani, romlebic
dRes Cemi uaxloesi megobrebi arian.
ra siaxleebi igegmeba
Sens cxovrebaSi?
kritikosebs ra gamolevs
amqveynad. proeqtis
msvlelobisas da
Semdegac araerTxel
gaiJRera azrma, rom
Sous arakompetenturi
mwvrTnelebi hyavda,
eTanxmebi am pozicias?
am azrs ver daveTanxmebi.
Casafrebulis poziciidan
naTqvams ufro hgavs. xuTive
mwvrTnels Zalian kargad
vicnob da vfiqrob, rom isini profesionalebi, kompetenturi adamianebi da rac mTavaria, proeqtis SesaniSnavi
mwvrTnelebi arian. sasiamovno iyo maTTan urTierToba. kargad maxsendeba `axali
xmis~ periodi da xSirad
menatreba kidec yoveldRiuri repeticiebi, urTierToba. am adamianebma udidesi
wvlili Seitanes proeqtis
TiToeuli monawilis warmatebaSi.
ise, sainteresoa,
rogori iyo ani
RonRaZis bavSvoba, ra
minda solo simRera Cavwero
da klipic gadaviRo.
dabolos, ambavi Senze,
romelsac gazeT
`premieris~ mkiTxveli
Cveni meSveobiT gaigebs
pirvelad...
interesebi
gqonda?
bavSvobidan miyvarda simRera. raoden gasakviric ar
unda iyos, pirvelad Cemma
baRis maswavlebelma aRmoaCina, rom kargad vmRerodi.
magram seriozulad amaze
fiqri mogvianebiT daviwye.
gqonda gansakuTrebulad
amoCemebuli profesiis
dauflebisken
miswrafeba?
ar vici, ramdenad gansakuTrebuli, magram bavSvobidan mindoda, momRerali
vyofiliyavi. erTi periodi
msaxiobobac mindoda. sxva
profesiaze arc mifiqria.
simRera CemTvis yvelaferia.
rogorc ityvian, es
ocneba aixdine. ukve
popularuli ani
RonRaZis pirad
cxovrebaSi ra xdeba?
axla Cem gverdiT aris adamiani, romelTanac Zalian
kargad vgrZnob Tavs. mokled, Seyvarebuli var (iRime-
ba)... saerTod, ar miyvars piradze laparaki. arc is momwons, roca adamianebi sxvis
pirad cxovrebaSi iqeqebian
da es erTgvar sazrdod aqvT
qceuli.
bolo dros xSirad
moismen, rom `qarTuli
Soubiznesi gardaicvala~,
Senc glovob, Tu es `aw
samwuxaro~ ambavi ar
gjera?
glovas azri ar aqvs. yvelam
rom ase ifiqros da axali
araferi akeTos, kidev didxans iqneba es sfero `gardacvlili~. patara viyavi,
magram kargad maxsovs, ramdeni koncerti imarTeboda.
iyo axali klipebi da simRerebi. bevri kargi momRerali
gvyavs da guli mwydeba, rom
Soubiznesi gaCerebulia.
ratom ver viTardeba
dRes qarTuli
musikaluri industria?
es musikaluri gemovnebis
problemas xom ar
ukavSirdeba?
me ar maqvs ufleba, vinmes
Semoqmedebas ugemovno vuwodo. magram raRa dagimalo,
rogorc msmenelsa da am sferoSi moRvawe adamians, maRizianebs, rom am bolo dros
gaurkveveli Janrebi xdeba
noembris dasawyisSi parizSi
mivdivar. parizuli gegmebi,
ra Tqma unda, simReras ukavSirdeba. konkretulad jerjerobiT arafers vityvi, magram aucileblad SegatyobinebT.
warmatebebs
gisurvebT.
premieri
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elizabet teilori da riCard bartoni
erTi siyvarulis istoria
elizabet teilorisa da
riCard bartonis
urTierTobas `saukunis
romans~ uwodeben.
pirvel rigSi, imitom
rom orive udidesi
wines. bartoni cols briliantebiT avsebda, arwmunebda, rom
mas dramatuli msaxiobis po-
tenciali hqonda. isini kinomwarmoeblebs milionobiT honorars sTxovdnen da didi
varskvlavebis legendas qmnidnen. maT erTad 11 filmSi iTamaSes, romelTa Soris yvelaze
cnobili `kleopatra~ da
`Wirveulis morjulebaa~.
ori genialuri dramatuli
msaxiobis piradi cxovreba
dauokebeli vnebebiT, eWviano-
varskvlavi iyo, maSin
paparacebis era mxolod
ibadeboda da swored
maTi `lavsTori~ iqca
epoqis mTavari
movlenad.
m
eorec, ori varskvlavis romani ara
mxolod mRelvare,
ekranizaciisTvis
sruliad misaRebi
aRmoCnda. giJuri
siyvaruli, kamaTi,
Cxubi, ganSoreba da SeerTeba
_ Seyvarebulebma orjer
iqorwines da orjer gaiyarnen. erTad monawileobdnen
`Cven zedmetad
gviyvarda erTmaneTi~
oskarosan filmebSi da amayad
pozirebdnen wiTel xaliCebze.
cxovrobdnen mxolod ZviradRirebuli sastumroebis
nomrebSi, saidanac xSirad Cxubis xmac ki gamodioda.
wyvils milionobiT honorari hqonda. guluxvi riCard
bartoni elizabetTan yoveli Cxubis Semdeg misTvis ZviradRirebul samkaulebs yidulobda.
elizabet teilori holivudis WeSmarit legendebs,
msoflios yvela drois cnobil msaxiobebs Soris Rirseul adgils ikavebs. riCardTan Sexvedramde mas jer kidev
ar hqonda dramatuli msaxiobis reputacia. im droisTvis
sabediswero lamazmani ukve
oTxjer iyo gaTxovili (sul
mis cxovrebaSi rva qorwineba
iyo, maTgan ori _ bartonTan).
bartoni ki saxasiaTo msaxiobis reputaciiT sargeblobda,
is scenazec da cxovrebaSic
temperamentiani da agresiuli
gaxldaT. bartoni alkoholis moyvaruli iyo da arasdros cdilobda, koreqtuli
yofiliyo.
mRelvare romani, romelsac mTeli msoflio Tvalyurs adevnebda, romSi film
`kleopatras~ gadaRebebze,
1962 wlis ianvarSi daiwo. holivudi yvelaze ZviradRirebul films iRebda, sadac
kleopatrasa da mark antoniusis rolebs asrulebdnen varskvlavebi, romelTa cxovreba
gajerebuli iyo milionobiT
honorariT, elituri brwyinvalebiT, briliantebiTa da
iaxtebiT.
1961 wels 37 wlis bartons
`britaneli brando~ uwodes.
misi qorwineba msaxiob sibil
uolesTan bednierad daiwyo,
wyvils ori Svili hyavda. 29
wlis teilori ki momReral
edi fiSerze iyo gaTxovili.
gadaRebebze gaCenilma vnebam
ise CaiTria msaxiobebi, rom
isini arc ki cdilobdnen TavianTi siyvarulis damalvas.
yuradRebas aravis aqcevdnen
da sasiyvarulo scenis dasrulebis Semdegac ki agrZelebdnen erTmaneTis kocnas.
sadac ki SesaZlebloba eZleodaT, yvelgan seqsiT kavdebodnen. uzomod bevr alkohols svamdnen da aRviraxsnil,
codvebiT savse cxovrebaze
uars ar ambobdnen.
presis mier atexili xmauris Sedegad vatikanma oficialurad dagmo lizisa da
riCardis urTierToba. maT
ganSorebac scades, magram
erTmaneTis mimarT giJuri vneba amis saSualebas ar aZlevdaT.
siyvarulisgan dabrmavebuli bartoni Tavis werilebSi,
romlebic Semdeg bestselerad iqca, werda:
`
Cems sawyal mtanjvel
siymawvileSi, me
mxolod aseT qalze
vocnebobdi. da axla,
rodesac ocneba ufro
da ufro axlosaa,
xels vuwvdi da vxvdebi,
rom Cemi ocneba aqaa,
Cems gverdiT. Tu Tqven
ar SexvedrixarT, an ar
ginaxavT is, Zalian
`
bevri dagikargavT
cxovrebaSi
.
bolos da bolos, orive
daSorda
oficialur
meuRles. maT 1964 wels iqor-
biTa da alkoholiT iyo savse.
`SesaZloa, Cven zedmetad gviyvarda erTmaneTi... arasdros
mifiqria, rom es SesaZlebeli
iqneboda~, _ werda Tavis dRiurebSi liz teilori. 1973
wlis ivlisSi man ganacxada: `me
da riCardi raRac droiT
erTmaneTs vSordebiT. SesaZloa, Cven zedmetad gviyvarda erTmaneTi... iloceT
CvenTvis!~ ganqorwineba 1974
wlis ivnisSi Sedga.
cal-calke cxovreba autaneli gaxda. 16 Tvis Semdeg
isini isev daqorwindnen. meore
qorwineba 1975 wlis oqtombridan 1976 wlis ivnisamde
gagrZelda.
riCard bartoni gulis
SeteviT 1984 wlis agvistoSi
gardaicvala. misi sikvdili
elizabetisTvis saSinel tragediad iqca, imis miuxedavad,
rom mas ukve sxva mamakaci hyavda.
asakis matebasTan erTad,
msaxiobis
janmrTelobis
mdgomareobac uaresdeboda.
1997 wels mas Tavis tvinis simsivne amokveTes. manamde
teilori saavadmyofoSi gulis ariTmiis diagnoziTac
moaTavses. elizabet teilori
79 wlis asakSi, 2011 wlis martSi gardaicvala.
moamzada
maka svimoniSvilma
36 premieri
(dasawyisi ix. #1-4)
p
olkis dislokaciis
adgilze mtverSerwymuli mazuTisa da
`saliarkis~ mZafri
suni idga.
brezentgadafarebuli orxidiani manqanis Zaridan Camoxta Tu ara, guda iqve miagdo da
gamofeSxvebuli ÁÌÐ-is gverdiT mofusfuse, zeTiTa da gamonabolqviT erTianad gaSavebuli
saxiT erTmaneTis msgavs biWebs
mimarTa:
_ meTauri sad vnaxoT?
_ vin meTauri? _ rodis-rodis amoxeda erT-erTma, meores
misi misvla arc gaugia. rom upasuxa, axla masac daaviwyda misi
arseboba, megrulad raRacas
daobdnen sqel ganier ficarnagze amodebul ZravSi cxvirwargulni.
_ wiklauri! _ axlos midga
biWi, TviTonac interesiT Caxeda
laTinuri `ve~-saviT gadaSlil
Zravs.
_ ar vici, _ rusulad upasuxa
meorem, Canda misi mosvlac gaigo. pirveli SekiTxvac. Zmis (albaT, Zmis) pasuxic da axla TviTon gaiRo xma, rogorRac royiod, gaRizianebiT, _ Cven narmanias xalxi varT! _ mouWra.
maT gverdiT Crdili daeca.
biWma Tvali aayola da saxedamuwukebuli axmaxi SerCa, gagulisebiT rom Cascqeroda remontiT
garTulT.
_ saSa, mgoni, gasagebad
giTxres, es manqana 19-Si poziciaze unda iyoso. raRa darCa
iqamde, ori dRe, or dReSi marto...
_ Tavze nu damCxavixar, Tu
ara, Semogalewav kanWebs, _ mazuTiT moTxvrili xelebi gafarCxa erT-erTma, awowils avi
mzera styorcna, muqariT savse.
_ ra giTxari, 212-is siaxloves
ar gnaxo-meTqi, _ rusulad daatana. Tavis msgavss mujluguni
hkra da lamis cxviriT CaerWo
gaSlil ZravSi. _ movlen da...
awowili uceremoniod gaSordaT.
_ ai, eg migiyvans wiklaurTan,
_ moulodnelad Tavi wamoswia
man, visac saSas eZaxdnen da axlaRa SeaTvaliera maT win gayuCebuli biWi.
biWi adgils moswyda da awowils wamoewia.
asiode metri gaiares. saxedamuwukebuli zviadi gulgrilad
gadmohyurebda TiTqmis mTeli
TaviT dabals da jiutad dumda.
tankis sangrisTvis gaz-66-is
daWeWyili, amopirqvavebuli Zara
moergoT, Sesasvleli daaxloebiT kacis simaRleze CaeTxaraT
da miwuri qoxis msgavsi raRac
SeekowiwebinaT.
mis CrdilSi ijda wiklauri,
Tavi CaeRuna da fiqrSi garTuliyo.
_ Cveni aseulis wevri moviyvane, nodar, ambobs, SvebulebaSi
TviTon meTaurma gamiSvao.
gvian amoxedaT wiklaurma,
civi, gamWoli mzeriT SeaTvaliera win mdgomni. biWma SeamCnia,
WaRara momravleboda da Tmac
uaresad SeTxeleboda am xnis
manZilze. gamxdari eCvena, ferwagvrili, Tumca SeiZleba imitomac, wver-ulvaSi axali gaparsuli rom hqonda. aranairi gaoceba
ar gamouxatavs, muxli gaSala da
biWidan mzera awowilze dinjad
gadaitana:
_ rao, tyupebma? _ sigareti
amoiRo, asanTis ZiebaSi tyuilad
daSvra. awowilma sanTebela aanTo, oTxad moirkala.
_ xval, iqneba CavadgaTo, sasam
ase miTxra. `karobkac~ gauSliaT,
filtri...
oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013 #5 (005)
_ filtrs, xom giTxari, 107sas mivcem. ese igi xval mzad
iqneba.
_ me ase miTxres da... _ welSi
axlaRa gasworda saxemuwukiani.
meTaurma xeli auqnia, Tavisufali xaro, amis niSnad Tu. awowilma ki nabiji aiTria, ise, TiTqos
raRacis Tqmas kidev apirebda.
bolos etyoba, gabeda:
_ prokuraturis xalxi iyo,
davinaxe... gamomcdelad gamoxeda.
_ saqmes mixede, biWo, Sens
saqmes! _ moulodnelad iRriala
wiklaurma. awowils erTi `va~
amoscda, gakvirvebuls da TiTqos
kmayofilsac da grZeli nabijiT,
aqlemis ZlayuniT moSorda
`Stabs~.
kai xans mdumared uWvretda
meTauri biWs, romelic iqve, misgan moSorebiT pirsabanis gverdSi Cayunculiyo. yveli da puris
yua amoeRo da uxalisod Wamda.
_ radiano! _ moulodnelad
Caecina meTaurs, Tumca wamsve
mkacri gamometyvelebiT gamoxeda. _ rao, Zmobilo, milionian
qalaqSi komendaturas rogor ver
dauZveri?
biWma Wama miatova, saWmlis
narCeni isev gudaSi gamohkra da
gulgrilad gamoxeda wiklaurs.
pasuxi ar gasca.
_ raRa CemTan mokuntruSdi
isev?
_ Tqven gicnobT da imitom.
_ SenRa akldi am jojoxeTs
da... ai, moxvedi, moxvedi, _ fiqrianad gaimeora. _ an naTesavi ara
gyavs, an Zmakaci, rogor gagabes?
_ ver gavige, batono polkovniko, vin gamaba? _ axla TviTonac CaeRima, mSvidad, Zlivs
SesamCnevad.
_ vin da... imaT. cixeze wasuliyavi gerCivna!
_ me CemiT movedi, meyo dasveneba, _ Ceqmis yelSi xeli Cayo,
`astras~ gauxsneli kolofi amoiRo. _ tyuilad ggoniaT, rom...
ZaliT vinmem... CemTvis vis scxela, ZaRli patrons ver cnobs;
fuls xveten, sazRvargareT WuWkaven komendantebic, komisrebic
da... yvela, CemTvis visa scxela?
_ SeniT moxvedi? _ Caisisina
moulodnelad wiklaurma.
_ risTvis moxvedi?
_ kidev damciniT. me maSin
giTxariT, Tu davaSave, damx-
avtomati unda, srolac ki ar icis.
meomaria raRa. momaSore, _ isev
Camojda, Tavi Cahkida.
kako masze odnav maRalic ki
iyo, oRond tansruli, TiTqos
jmuxic. wamodio, uxalisod miugdo da win kuskusiT wauZRva.
ramdenime miwurs Cascdnen da
sul ukanasknelTan SeCerdnen.
Sav kombinezonSi gamowyobil, ase,
ocdaaTs mitanebul qera mamakacs
tank-72-is transmisia aexada da
fiqriani saxiT Cascqeroda Zravs.
gayuCuli ijda, xelebi erTmaneTze gadaeWdo da gulze
miekra. maT gamoCenas RimiliT
Sexvda, wamodga, radiators damcavi fexi gamouSala, zed Sedga,
ramdenjerme daawva da Caketa.
_ es SenTan gamomatanes,
mouare. _ Cafskvnilma wasvla
`damciniso~, _ avad gahkenwla
gulSi biWs. maRla axedvas veRar
bedavda, sakuTari eWvi kombinezonianis saxes rom ar daedasturebina.
_ Cadi da manam nurc ecdebi
amosvlas, sanam tankze asvlis
yvelaze iol xerxs Sen TviTon
ar miagneb! mSvidad damoZRvra
tankze mdgomma. es xma arc dacinvas ifaravda, arc yvedrebas,
damrigebluri ufro iyo, TanagrZnobiT savse.
biWma TvalmoWutulma aixeda
da morigi cdisTvis SemarTuli
sxeuli mouSva.
_ gana ra aris iseTi, fexi
damicda da... _ maRla mdgomis
gasagonad Cailaparaka.
_ pirvelad mec swored ase
momivida, TiTqos araferia, gixs-
_ megreli xar? _ moulodnelad hkiTxa.
_ ara, Tbiliseli, _ biWmac
saqmianad gasca pasuxi. cota ki
gaioca, tankis axriginebasTan Cems
sadaurobas ra mniSvneloba aqvso, magram araferi ukiTxavs.
ramdenjerme Seenacvla kombinezoniani biWs. moTminebiT
uxsnida da aswavlida yvelafers
saxeze Rimildafenili. bolos,
sawadels mainc miaRwia, SeZlo
misma mowafem, yovelgvari wesis
dacviT tankis amuSaveba!
`aRar dagaviwydebao~, _ daaimeda oflSi gaxviTquli biWi luqis
TavTan mjdomma.
papirosi sTxova da erTad
gaaboles.
romani
PP
giorgi urgebaSvili
vriteT-meTqi.
_ risTvis moxvedi, Sen gekiTxebian, _ nestoebi cxeniviT daebera meTaurs.
biWi arc SenZreula, aRarc
uwindeliviT damfrTxala mis
yvirilze, ise, usiamod ki gaaJrJola, magram is ufro avi, gardasuli mogonebiT iyo gamowveuli.
axla aRar damfrTxala. fexze
ki wamodga, Tvali uecrad gauswora aZagrul wiklaurs.
_ risTvis movedi da unda
viomo! _ civad damarcvla.
_ vakeSi ggonia Tavi, Se...
wvintliano! gasrolas ver
moaswreb, ise gagaclian yinws.
_ vnaxoT, _ TviTonac xmas
auwia biWma. _ vnaxoT, vin-vis? sad
davbinavde, Tqven es miTxariT da
avtomati minda Cemi, 78641 nomeri,
kaWaravas Cavabare, roca...
_ kaWarava aRar aris.
`Stabidan~ amomZvral, ZiliT
Tvaldasiebul maCvis msgavs
oficers mimarTa:
_ kako, waiyvane es tipi, `moxalisea~, iomos unda, narmanias
Seatyue, me amaTi Tavi aRara maqvs.
daapira, saxeRimilians, romelsac
saerTod araferi ukiTxavs, cota
ar iyos gaocebiT mixeda da, _ es
imaTgania, ori Tvis win sazarbazned rom gamogvigzavnes, aman
rogorRac moaxerxa gaZroma, _
kvlav dadumda, isev gaiwia, bolos, mainc Sedga, _ iReb, Tu ara?
_ maS, ras vizam, _ Caecina
kombinezonians. _ wiklaurma is
xalxi maSinve moiSora Tavidan.
jixuas gadasca zurgisTvis?
_ jixuam yvela ar waiyvana, _
mouWra uceb maCvis msgavsma da
ukan, `Stabisken~ wakuskusda.
tankze amodio, _ dakvirvebiT
rom CaaTvaliera, mereRa aniSna.
biWma guda moixsna, iqve miagdo
da tankis marcxena bortze damagrebul saTadarigo `traks~
moebRauWa. slipina foladze fexi
daucda. cotas gascda, SubliT
ar daaskda javSans. tanSi civad
gascra. damfrTxalma aixeda
zeviT. gulze xeldawyobili kombinezoniani iRimeboda. isev Seecada asvlas.
_ Cadi. _ moulodnelad gaiRo
xma saxeRimilianma.
nian kidec, mainc SubliT exeTqebi
maxinas, jer erTi, imitom rom,
meore kidev... Cqarob, ar ukvirdebi, ra risTvis, gerideba!
biWi usmenda da Tanac tankis
garSemo daacecebda Tvalebs.
gverdidan mouara TviTonac Rimiliani saxiT, `aqedan gasasvleli naRdad ar iqnebao~, daaskvna
da isev tankis cxvirisken wamovida. rvianiviT gadajvaredinebul
msxvil saqaCs miswvda, muxliT im
adgils Camoeyrdno, sadac pirveli cdisas fexi daucda, meore
fexi gaSlili Semodo tankis cxvirze da tanis mTeli ZaliT ibiZga.
_ gatyob, grZnobebis moTokva
iolad SegiZlia, _ TiTqos gaamxneva mis gverdiT gamoWimuli biWi
saxeRimilianma. _ jer saerTod
kargi Tvisebaa, Zvirfasi kidev
omSi!
`axla me miyureo~, _ Tqva da
koSkuris ZirSi, lulis qveS viwro xvrelSi gauCinarda. moulodnelad Tavi amohyo. mokakvuli TiTiT isev TavisTan miixmo da:
saRamos
sigrile
wamoparuliyo da naoflar biWs esiamovna. TiTo Reri `astra~ moswies
sityvis uTqmelad, cis dasaliers
mzeraSeyinulebma. mere ki, `me
narmania var, zaveli, dReidan Seni
meTaurio~, _ ase uTxra.
* * *
cxovreba rTulia. Cven mis
oromtrialSi CarTulni uaresad
varTulebT mas. dro msaxvralia,
maxsovrobis Zafic unebisyofod
moCans masTan, amitomaa, albaT,
saxelebi rom mofrinaven qars
adevnebuli bumbuliviT da
ukvalod qrebian daviwyebis
pirquS wyvdiadSi. SemTxveviT
gacnobilTa saxelebi, maTi saxeebi...
magram xdeba ise, TviTon cdilob, gonebidan amoSlas da
araferi gamodis. yoveli garja
amaoa, ususuri masTan, rac ukve
Sens sakuTrebad qceula, Sexorcebia sisxlsa da sxeuls.
`me narmania var, Seni meTaurio~, _ ase daiwyo maTi nacnoboba...
amiT movida is mis cxovrebaSi.
narmania Tavisi aseuliT
wiklauris polks gvian, biWis iq
aryofnis dros, SeerTeboda. misi
aseuli qveiTi jaris nawils waagavda SeiaraRebiTac, moqmedebis
principiTac. Tumca, razmis
wevrebi Tavis Tavs medesanteebs
uwodebdnen da cota ar iyos, zemodan gadmohyurebdnen wiklauris sxva aseulis wevrebs.
medesanteebi ar iyvnen, magram samarTlianoba moiTxovs, aRvniSnoT:
brZolis
kai
xnis
gamocdileba umagrebda maT
zurgs. lokaluri omebis ubadlo ostatad Tvlidnen narmaniasac, ara marto wiklauris Stabis oficrebi, aramed ufro maRlac _ Tavdacvis saministros
eqspertebi.
kievis samxedro-satanko akademiis damTavrebis Semdeg ganawilebiT germaniaSi dislocirebul
javSan-satanko diviziaSi emsaxura oceulis, mere aseulis meTaurad. maRali Cinis rusi generlis qaliSvili hyavda colad
da rogorc ambobdnen, umaRles
samxedro eSelonebSi gza xsnili
hqonda. 25 wlisa ukve sabWoTa
armiis maiori iyo. privilegiebs,
samsaxurebriv ierarqiul kibeze
swraf dawinaurebas, mudmiv
keTildReobas
uwinaswarmetyvelebdnen... yvelafer amas
1989 wlis 9 aprilamde. 9 aprilis
Semdeg ki, jer ojaxuri konfliqti iyo, mere samaCablo da abxazeTi.
rusebs narmaniasTvis sakmarisi eswavlebinaT. sabrZolo
gamocdileba samSoblo mxaris
bedukuRmarTobas mieca da ukve
profesionali meomari damdgariyo misgan, erT-erTi im TiTze
CamosaTvlelebidan, saqarTvelos oficerTa korpusi rom erqva _ namdvili da naRdi. oficris raime ganmasxvavebel niSans
ar atarebda. sul erTTavad tankistis Sav kombinezonSi iyo gamowyobili da SeiZleba imitomac maRalsa da gamxdars xSir qera Tmis
fonze mogrZo saxe odnav sifiTredakruli mouCanda, pirvelad
mnaxveli an mzes rom daabralebda, anda tankis gamonabolqvs, mWvartls. sinamdvileSi arc mze iyo
`damnaSave~ da arc tanki. es ufro
memkvidreobiTi sifiTre gaxldaT, kolxeTis dablobis. saubris
dasawyisSi odnav moiCleqda enas,
gaiRimebda da bolomde am RimiliT agrZelebda laparaks. _
erTi SexedviT, es Rimili mosaubresTan yovelgvari zRvris
wamSleli, gulisxmierebiT moculi iyo, mainc gamoucnobi da
iqneba sevdianic.
`ra Cveni bralia, drom
moitana es sevdac, zogisTvis
RimiliT gadmosacemi, zogisTvis
kidev naoWebad dakecili SubliTo~, _ fiqrobda biWi misi Semxedvare, sxvaTa Semyure, sakuTar
safiqrals CaRrmavebuli.
Tavisi aseulisTvis TviTonve
SeerCia meomrebi. umetesoba galis raionidan iyo, nawili mis
mSobliur sofel tyviridan _
samxedro teqnikis kargad mcodneni, jargamovlili tankistebi.
wiklauris polks ZiriTadad
modifikaciis tankebi hqonda,
Tumca ori
Ò-c mogexsenebaT da TvalisCiniviT ufrTxildebodnen.
pirvelad swored t-72-is marTva iswavla radianma, Tumca ukve
erTi Tvis Semdeg t-55-sac,
qveiTTa sabrZolo manqanis
Sturvalsac andobda narmania
axal mebrZols.
`oms gamocdileba da jiSi igebso~, _ arigebda narmania biWs,
isic im ganurCevlis kiloze, rom
kaci ver gaigebda, sad simarTle
iyo, sad ironia.
gagrZeleba Semdeg
nomerSi
premieri
#5 (005) oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013
poezia
ninia nadiraZe
* * *
da ar gaismis Seni megobris zari.
da ar gaismis zogadad zari,
raimes niSnad.
qalaqis sinaTleebi xandaxan imaze sevdiania,
vidre sikvdili,
romelic ar unda axseno.
miTufro maSin,
roca Rameze fiqrob,
mziani dRe ki tbaze midis da Tavs ar ixrCobs.
Zvirfaso RmerTo!
me cocxali da mxiaruli gogo var,
nu migzavni saSiS esemesebs!
is sityvebi, romlebic arasdros gviTqvams,
da is winadadebebi, romlebsac arasdros vityviT,
farvanebiviT Suqis anTebas elodebian.
TviTonac ar vici, ratom vwer leqsebs.
ise moxda, rom sityvebma amomirCies.
me, cxadia, vafaseb maT arCevans,
ufro metic, madlieric ki var xandaxan,
magram
merCivna Cems magivrad sxva yofiliyo.
ufro sxva da ufro napovni.
ganmartebebi yvelas gviyvars,
stabilurobac.
sicocxle ewodeba mdgomareobas,
rodesac gamudebiT Sens Tavs daeZeb,
is ki zustad Sens winaSea.
Aurora Borealis
mudmivoba
ar minda karze daakakunon,
roca vsxedvarT TovliT savse oTaxSi,
xis magidasTan,
ori cali msuqani finjniT,
gamxdari orTqli rom amodis,
da meubnebi,
rom Seni sevda karlo kaWaravas gavs,
Cemi ki ufro baZaRuaa.
da radgan orive maTgani mkvdaria,
Cven nu movkvdebiT.
* * *
mze TiTqos balaxs kefas axlides.
xeliT vexebi mindors. cxelia.
cxadSi dauSvi Secdomebi.
sizmarSi ara. iq aravin ar gapatiebs.
da TiTqos vwevar.
xeebis CrdilSi moxaluli zafxulis xvati
Ria fanjridan sigriled modis da maimedebs.
Cemi rwmena aseTia:
roca wvimaa,
arc makintoSs vixurav mxrebze,
arc qolgas vSli,
arc fanjaras vaReb da vsunTqav nestian haers,
arc fexSiSveli davtyapunob guburebSi,
da am wvimebze krints arasdros ar vZrav arvisTan ubralod Cumad velodebi,
rom gadaiRos,
rom dawynardes,
rom aikras yvelaferi dagrilul tanze.
Cems naTel dReebs velodebi, Cems wil kadiSebs.
RmerTo, saiTken miacureb am mzian dReebs,
netav, dilas sad gauTeneb.
gemudarebi,
im siSoreze nu gaityueb,
verasdros rom ver davewio.
RmerTis Sesaxeb
iman daiZinos, visac arasdros uZinia
qvebSi da lodebSi,
xavsebSi da adamianebSi.
Sen mxolod mimarTuleba xar, RmerTo,
miniSnebebis gareSe.
tyis kacis colis iavnana
(aidani da sibili)
qmaro Cemo,
sikvdilo Cemo,
da sicocxlev Cemo,
Seni zurgi Cemi xelebis gagrZelebaa.
Seni xelebi – Cemi maradisobis,
Seni yoveli dabruneba
sakuTar tanSi Tvalebs maxelinebs.
am xis saxlSi albaT veravin icxovrebda,
am tyeSi Rames veravin gaaTevda,
amsigrZe xeebs Tvals veravin auwvdenda,
amsiRrme cas TvalebSi veravin Caitevda, Tu ara Cven.
Cemxela guli aravis aqvs, aidan!
me arasodes vatoleb Cems guls Sens xorklian xelisgulebs -
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meSinia, rom ver daeteva.
Tavo Cemo,
romelma RmerTma gaCuqa amxela Zala,
romelma RmerTma dagisizmra amsigrZe sizmriT roca is culs mxarze gaidebs da saxlidan gadis,
Tmis Rers viWri da karTan vdeb uxmod Tma daabrunebs Sin mSvidobiT,
Tma daifaravs
da Cemi RmerTi,
Cemma siyvarulma rom amoiyvana ormodan,
Cemma siyvarulma rom daapura da wyali Seasva.
qmaro Cemo,
sikvdili Cemo
da sicocxlev Cemo,
daiRame xeebis ZirSi,
tyis moCvenebebs angelozebi gauqcie
da moixelTe cisartyela kacobriobis Svidive feri,
gamousworebel meocnebeTa ierusalimi,
moikide nestian zurgze da modi,
sikvdilidanac movbrundebi Sens dasaxvedrad.
Cems qmars yvelaze farTo mxrebi aqvs, CurCulebs tyis kacis coli,
romelic ukve meTormete Tvea elodeba im Ramis mosvlas,
qmris gareSe rom brundeba saxlSi.
skoCis ca
yvelaferi fers ki ar icvlis,
aramed faqturas.
me TviTonac qaRaldis var,
SeiZleba zemodan skoCis cac ki damyurebs.
adamians haeriviT sWirdeba msxverpli,
didi biZgisTvis.
amitomac misgan imdens unda elodo,
ramdenic SeuZlia.
SeiZleba quCaSi namdvili adamianebic dadiodnen,
magram mzes yvela sinaTleze ver gamohyavdes.
yvelaferi fers ki ar icvlis,
aramde faqturas.
arasdros mifiqria, rom siyvaruli
yvavilebis, Tbili sityvebis da
feradi dReebis pirdapirproporciulia.
siyvaruli cecxlis danTebaa Tavsxma wvimaSi.
pieta brauni
roca Rameze fiqrob,
da mziani dRe Sens gverdiT forToxlis wvens wrupavs.
roca sahaero burTebze fiqrob,
da haeri arsad araa.
roca sizmarSi ivlisia
da cxadSic ivlisi.
roca kedels eyudebi,
oTaxSi dabneulad gadi-gamodixar.
arada, weRan naTlad gaxsovda,
magram axla veRar ixseneb,
ris CaniSvnas apirebdi wiTel rveulSi,
romelic soflis maRaziaSi
xuWuWTmianma gogom mogyida.
aseTia cxovreba,
TiTqos aravin aRar kvdeba,
magram yvela ubeduria.
mudam arsebobs adgilebi,
sadac verasdros ver movxvdebiT,
verasdros ver Seisvenebs
Cveni mzera sanatrel xedze.
isev oTaxSi daborialob.
arada, weRan, naTlad gaxsovda,
rogor xedavdi daxuWulSi CrdiloeTis iisfer cials,
da axla, Tvalis gaxelidan asi wlis Semdeg,
Ria fanjaras misdgomixar da qars pasuxob,
TiTqos cdilob,
rom rogorme daubrunde wreze siaruls,
da stvena-stveniT ukan gahyve sakuTar natvras.
farvanebi
sarecxis Tokze kacobriobis sasaflaoa.
CamoxCobili nivTebis mzeras aRar dahkravs
varskvlavebis muqi sinaTle.
TavCaRunuli kidia winda da mowyenili xelTaTmanebi.
vaiTu male Ramem miuswros,
albaT ufro mtkivneulia bnelSi sikvdili.
TiTqos mudam sardafSi gvamwyvdevs cxovrebis RmerTi,
sinaTlis uceb gamoCena Tvalebs gvixuWavs.
an im farvanas, naTuras rom eTamaSeba,
ra bedi elis, roca oTaxSi Suqs gamorTaven.
TariRebze, xelebze da cifrebze
mamaCemi 2007 wlis 7 ivliss gardaicvala,
7 saaTze
da SeuZlebelia, ar mjerodes,
rom man miuswro Tavis momavals, bilbordebian gaCerebaze.
nu ambob, rom TvalebSi
miedinebian is Cqari da Rrma mdinareebi,
me rom kabisboloakapiwebuli videqi
da fiqrebis skas vaniavebdi.
mxolod dilaa,
Cemi cxovrebis sauzmea da arsad meCqareba,
amitomac jer nu momiyvebi,
ra siswrafiT unda davxuWo Tvalebi,
rodesac Cemgan mimavali adamianebis zurgs davinaxav.
jer nu metyvi, rom adamianebma daizepires
winadadebebi da moqmedebebi.
da dascinian iaponelebs,
robotebi rom gamoigones.
nu meubnebi, rom Cveni momavalic gaCerebaze dgas
da elodeba romeliRac avtobuss,
radgan is Cven gvicdis,
Cven, vinc verasdros mivediT masTan.
xelebma yovelTvis ician misamarTebi,
rodesac Cven mudam gvaviwydeba TariRebi,
safosto indeqsebi da kilometrebi.
ar vici ra dRea dRes,
dReebma ician gaparva da mitoveba
gamotovebac ician dReebma,
magram naTlad vgrZnob erTs rom doqi ivseba wveT-wveTad
da rom fexi fexs maSin grZnobs, roca miwaze dgas.
38 premieri
oTxSabaTi, 2-8 oqtomberi 2013 #5 (005)
riCard giri cols Sordeba
h
olivudis cnobili msaxiobi 64 wlis riCard giri cols, keri louels,
18-wliani Tanacxovrebis (aqedan wyvilma 11 weli qorwinebaSi gaatara)
Semdeg Sordeba. yofili fotomodeli da msaxiobi keri loueli jeims
bondis erT-erTi megobari gogonas roliTaa cnobili.
giri ukve didi xania, sajarod colTan erTad aRar gamoCenila. ukanaskneli fotosuraTi, sadac isini erTad arian aRbeWdili, gasul wels
film `mankieri vnebis~ Cvenebis drosaa gadaRebuli. aseve, cnobilia, rom
wyvili niu-iorkis StatSi mdebare saxls 65 milion dolarad yidis.
gamocemis wyaros cnobiT, girs, romelic budizmiTaa gatacebuli, aRar surs,
saerTo hqondes xmaurian wveulebebTan, romelic keri louels ase Zalian uyvars.
giri da loueli 2002 wels daqorwindnen. vidre TavianT urTierTobas daakanonebdnen, isini erTmaneTs Svidi wlis ganmavlobaSi xvdebodnen. wyvils erTi vaJi
hyavs _ gomeri. manamde giri daqorwinebuli iyo model sindi kroufordze, loueli ki orjer iyo gaTxovili.
riCard giri araerTxel yofila msoflios yvelaze seqsualur da lamaz mamakacTa reitingis saTaveSi. man popularoba 1982 wels, film `oficeri da jentlmenis~ gamosvlis Semdeg moipova. Semdeg gamovida filmebi `klubi `kotoni~, `lamazi
qali~ da `Cikago~, sadac Sesrulebulma rolebma, is didebis mwvervalze aiyvana.
amis garda, riCard giri qvelmoqmedebiTacaa cnobili.
SegaxsenebT, rom cota xnis win cnobili gaxda sxva varskvlavuri wyvilebis
ganqorwinebebis Sesaxebac: gayras apireben maikl duglasi da ketrin zeta-jonsi,
vensan kaseli da monika beluCi. raoden gasakviric ar unda iyos, 83 wlis klint
istvudic ki cols Sordeba.
Serim
qaliSvilis
mamakacad
gardaqmnis
periodi
mZimed
gadaitana
merikelma momReralma Serim, rogorc
iqna,
cxovrebis
urTulesi periodi
gadaitana. interviuSi varskvlavma gulaxdilad isaubra, ris fasad daujda, Serigeboda
qaliSvilis gadawyvetilebas sqesis SecvlasTan dakavSirebiT.
`CemTvis Zalian mZime iyo, rodesac Cezi movida da miTxra `es is aris, rac minda~. me
vupasuxe: `Tu Sen ubeduri xar, maSin unda gaakeTo es~, _ gulaxdilad aRiara legendarulma momReralma.
misi TqmiT, yvelaze rTuli periodi mas Semdeg dadga, rodesac misma Svilma mamakacad
gardaqmna daiwyo. `es ioli ar iyo, magram axla amaze bevrs aRar vfiqrob~, _ aRniSna
Serim.
Seris ojaxSi dramatuli
cvlilebebi 2010 wels daiwyo. misma erTaderTma qaliSvilma sqesis Secvlis operacia gaikeTa. aseve, Secvla
yvela piradi sabuTic. gavrcelebuli xmebiT, momRerlisTvis imdenad rTuli
iyo, momxdars Segueboda, rom
Svils saerTod CamoSorda.
magram droTa ganmavlobaSi
varskvlavi Seurigda gardauvals da xumrobda kidec, rom
misi vaJi Zalian daemsgavsa
gardacvlil mamas.
2011 wlis dekemberSi Cezi
daSorda megobar gogonas
jenifer elias, romelsac
xuTi wlis ganmavlobaSi xvdeboda. jeniferi Cezis sqesis
Secvlis operaciis dros
gverdidan ar moSorebia.
maTi romanis dawyebidan erTi
wlis Semdeg Cezi dedas
gamoutyda, rom sakuTari
Tavi daberebul qalad ver
warmoedgina. sami wlis winaT
ki mamakacad gardaqmnis procesi daiwyo. operaciis Tanxa
Cezim megobars gamoarTva da
uari Tqva dedis daxmarebaze,
romelic multimilioneria.
jeniferi Tavdapirvelad ver urigdeboda, rom misi sayvareli mamakacad gadaiqca.
hormonebis gamo Cezi ufro da ufro agresiuli xdeboda da metad iTxovda seqss. `Cezi
is adamiani aRar aris, romelic Semiyvarda, Cven erTmaneTTan urTierTobis dawyeba Tavidan
gviwevs~, _ ambobda jeniferi. Cezim mas xeli sTxova, magram qorwinebamde saqme ar misula.
deniel redklifma, SesaZloa, axal filmSi fredi
merkuri ganasaxieros
b
ritanelma msaxiobma, hari poteris rolis Semsrulebelma deniel redklifma
SesaZloa, fredi merkuris roli Seasrulos. cnobili rokSemsruleblis Sesaxeb
biografiuli suraTis gadaReba male daiwyeba.
filmis prodiuserebis garemocvis wyaros informaciiT, redklifma ukve miiRo winadadeba da axla fiqrobs, dasTanxmdes Tu ara. `axalgazrduli asakis
miuxedavad (msaxiobi 24 wlisaa), man STabeWdileba moaxdina kinos mesveurebze mas
Semdeg, rac gei poetis alen ginzbergis roli Seasrula filmSi `mokali Seni
sayvareli adamianebi~, _ acxadebs wyaro. man aseve aRniSna, rom gadamReb jgufs sulac ar
awuxebs is faqti, rom redklifi merkuris
saerTod ar hgavs. denielis simReris niWi ki
kargad jdeba maT gegmebSi.
SegaxsenebT, rom Tavdapirvelad, merkuris
rolze skandaluri komikosi msaxiobi saSa
baron koeni ganixileboda. legendaruli
rokeris gansaxiereba misi didi xnis ocneba
iyo, miT ufro, rom is garegnulad ufro
metad hgavs merkuris. magram koenisa da jguf
Queen-is wevrebis, romlebic aqtiurad arian CarTuli am procesebSi, Sexedulebebi erT-
maneTs ar daemTxva.
fredi merkuri 1946 wels daibada.
Tavisi musikaluri koleqtivi 1970 wels
Seqmna. 1991 wels musikosma aRiara, rom
SidsiT iyo daavadebuli, am aRiarebidan
meore dRes ki sakuTar saxlSi gardaicvala. jgufis wevrebi braian mei da rojer
teilori dRemde gastrolebs marTaven
Queen-is saxeliT da Tanxas saqvelmoqmedo proeqtebisTvis agroveben.
gverdi moamzada
maia fircxalavam
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xelmZRvanelobasTan urTierTobisas seriozuli winsvla da warmateba geliT. nu ecdebiT yvelafers erTad SeeWidoT, umjobesi
iqneba erT romelime saqmes daudoT
guli. karieraSi winsvlis saSualeba
mogecemaT. xelmZRvanelebi Tqvens
axal ideebs daafaseben.
saswori 23.09-22.10
Tqveni saqmianoba mravalferovani
iqneba, xolo cxovrebis ritmi imdenad
swrafi da energiuli, rom sulis
moTqmisa da ukan moxedvis saSualeba ar
geqnebaT. axal saqmes energiulad mohkideT xeli. saSualeba mogecemaT saqmian
partniorebTan sasurveli garigebebi
dadoT. urigo ar iqneba, Tu dainteresdebiT ras fiqroben sxvebi Tqvenze.
intimur urTierTobaSi harmonia da
romantikulobaa mosalodneli. dageuflebaT survili, cvlilebebi SeitanoT, Tqvens garegnobasa da sacxovrebel
sivrceSi. mogiwevT bevri problemuri
sakiTxis gadawyveta da Tqven ufrosobisgan madlobas miiRebT. yuradRebis
centrSi iqnebiT, SeiZenT megobars.
qalwuli 23.08-22.09
ojaxis wevrebs Tqveni yuradReba
Zalian WirdebaT. sayvarel adamians
didi dro dauTmeT, gaukeTeT saCuqari, am JestiT mas Zalian gaaxarebT.
SesaZloa raimes mimarT pesimisturi
grZnoba gagiCndeT, nu ahyvebiT mas da
amis gamo nurafers SecvliT Tqvens
cxovrebaSi. mosalodnelia am cvlilebebma warmatebebis gzas agacdinoT.
Rriankali 23.10-21.11
warmateba geliT saqmian cxovrebaSi. kolegebis TvalSi Tqveni avtoriteti mniSvnelovnad amaRldeba. aucilebelia aRiWurvoT moTminebiT da
TavSekavebulobiT, raTa Tavi aaridoT
konfliqtebs axloblebTan da Tqvendami daqvemdebarebul pirebTan. Zalebis momatebas igrZnobT da nebismieri
saqme martivad gamogivaT.
Txis rqa 22.12-19.01
tyupebi 22.05-21.06
ar daibneT, radgan viRacam SeiZleba es dabneuloba gamoiyenos
Tqvens sawinaaRmdegod. elodeT
sasiamovno stumrebs. saqmeebi Tamamad dagegmeT. megobrebis daxmarebiT bevr rames SeZlebT. aseve,
mosalodnelia uazro konfliqti
megobarTan, ecadeT Tavi aaridoT
amas da bunebaSi gaxvideT.
lomi 23.07-22.08
nu SeecdebiT yvelafris erTbaSad
Secvlas, Torem SeiZleba arasworad
gagigon. mxiarul wveulebebze uari
ar TqvaT. Tqveni Tavdajerebuloba
yovelTvis dadebiT Sedegebs ar
iwvevs. dainteresebis SemTxvevaSi
Tqvenze bevr axalsa da sainteresos
SeityobT. SesaZloa iluziebis tyveobaSi moxvdeT. nu ahyvebiT ocnebas.
2-7 oqtomberi 2013
kuro 22.04-21.05
samsaxurSi iolad SeZlebT Tqveni
potencialis maqsimalurad gamovlenas. cvlilebebi Zalian kargia Tu is
CvenTvis sasikeToa, sxvaTaSoris
swored aseTi sasiamovno cvlilebebi
moxdeba Tqvens cxovrebaSi. yvelafris mimarT, rac Tqven irgvliv xdeba,
gamoiCineT cnobismoyvareoba.
mSvildosani
yvelafris ise datoveba, rogorc aris
ar Rirs. Tqven saswrafod unda SecvaloT rame Tqvens cxovrebaSi, Torem mowyeniloba dageuflebaT, xolo es kargi
ar aris. amasTan ar dagaviwydeT, rom
raimes Secvlis dros aucilebelia gonierebis gamoCena. saintereso movlenebiT datvirTuli dRe geliT.
renuaris piradi
nivTebi 1,3
milion
dolarad gaiyida
22.11-21.12
es kvira sasiyvarulo urTierTobebs dauTmeT. romantikul
Tavgadasavlebze uari ar TqvaT.
urTierTobebis gasarkvevad es
kvira idealuria. karieraSi mniSvnelovan nabijebs erideT. yvelafris mimarT, rac Tqven irgvliv xdeba, gamoiCineT cnobismoyvareoba.
bevri axali idea geqnebaT, romlebic karg dividendebsac mogitanT.
uari ar TqvaT paemanze. dro dasvenebasa da garTobas dauTmeT, uyuradRebod ar datovoT bavSvebi, dRes
maTTan, saerTo enas gamonaxavT da amiT
Tavs bednierad igrZnobT. yuradReba
miaqcieT janmrTelobas, dagegmeT
eqimTan viziti.
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Tevzebi 19.02-20.03
Zalian didi energias miiRebT. SeecadeT erT saqmeze ar daxarjoT, radgan
saRamosken mniSvnelovani saqmis Sesaxeb miiRebT cnobas. saimedo kavSirebi
Zalzed gamogadgebaT. Tu maTgan dakavSirebas SeZlebT, warmatebuli kvira
geqnebaT. samsaxurSi datvirTuli dRe
geliT. didi stumrianoba geliT.
penelopa kruzi korsikis
sanapiroze gaSiSvlda
m
eore bavSvis, lunas dabadebidan ori Tvis
Semdeg, amerikelma msaxiobma penelopa
kruzma gadawyvita, sakuTari TavisTvis
ardadegebi moewyo. varskvlavi qmarTan, 44
wlis msaxiob havier bardemTan erTad, safrangeTSi, kunZul korsikaze gaemgzavra.
penelopam korsikaze patara luna da 2
wlis leonardoc waiyvana. bavSvebi kunZulis sanapiroebze Tavs mSvenivrad grZnobdnen. im dros, roca
havieri bavSvebs meTvalyureobda, penelopa kruzma,
ganmartoebiT isargebla da xmelTaSua zRvaSi SiSvelma Secura. imis miuxedavad, rom mSobiarobis
Semdeg misi muceli jer kidev cota gamoberilia,
varskvlavi mainc mSvenivrad gamoiyureba.
n
iu-iorkSi Heritage-is
auqcionze frangi mxatvrisa da skulptoris ogiust renuaris koleqciis 143
nivTi gaiyida. gayiduli nivTebis Rirebulebam 1,3 milioni dolari
Seadgina.
koleqcia, mxatvris SvilTaSvilis Svilis winaaRmdegobis
miuxedavad, gaiyida.
veneras qandakeba 545 aTas
dolarad SeiZines, renuaris
erT-erTi bolo naxati ki _ 125
aTas dolarad.
auqcionze aseve gaiyida mxatvris saTvale,
mundStuki, Sarfi. amis garda, koleqciaSi warmodgenili iyo werilebi, Canaxatebi da fotosuraTebi. koleqcia renuaris SviliSvils pols
ekuTvnoda, romelmac aSS-Si gadasvlis Semdeg
gardacvalebamde cota xniT adre, 2005 wels
gayida.
Tavdapirvelad koleqcia 3 milion dolarad
iyo Sefasebuli.
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P
m
Sral xidze
gasayidad
gamotanil
nivTebs rom
saubari
SeeZloT, vin
uwyis, ramden ucnob
vladimer aleqsandres Ze
ianoviCi aRmoCnda. TandaTanobiT gaiSifra dedamisis,
grafinia elena nikolozis
asul uSakovas suraTebic. is
interviuc gadavikiTxe da
gairkva, rom
vladimer
moZrav hospitals rom xelmZRvanelobda, ana ki mowyalebis da yofila. mTxrobeli oriod sityviT gvamcnobs
imis Sesaxebac, bolSevikuri
gadatrialebis
Semdgom
wyvili TbilisSi rom damkvi-
Tbilisur da aramarto
Tbilisur saidumlos
aexdeboda farda...
aleqsandres Ze ianoviCi gasuli saukunis 10-ian wlebSi
operis momReral ana kan-
drebula. rogorc etyoba,
maT STamomavloba ar darCeniaT.
seqtembris erT mzian dRes,
Cveulebisamebr Semovlisas,
Cemi yuradReba erTma Zvelma
saojaxo albomma miipyro.
Tavs Sevikaveb misi detaluri
aRwerisgan, vinZlo uxerxulobaSi ar Cavagdo am raritetis gasayidad gammetebelni. dalxinebuli adamiani
amas ar gaakeTebs...
daaxloebiT Sua nawilidan
Zveli rusuli aristokratiuli samosaxlos ulamazesi
fotoebi iyo Cawebebuli.
erT-erT maTgans minaweric
erTvoda
_
Èìåíèå
Ïîêðîâñêîå. modi da arkvie,
delakis meuRle yofila.
sainteresodaa aRwerili am
wyvilis gacnobis ambavi: cno-
sadaa isini gadaRebuli, arada namdvilad saintereso
iyo maTi atributireba. Semdeg gverdebze aSkarad slavuri warmoSobis aristokratebis kabineturi fotoebi ganeTavsebinaT. STambeWdavi iersaxis, TiTqmis yvela fotoze samoqalaqo
tansacmelSi gadaRebulma,
erT-erTi
mamakacis
pirovnebam gansakuTrebiT
damainteresa. miT ufro, rom
albomSi misi fskovSi, peterburgsa da moskovSi gadaRebuli suraTebis dednebi
sWarbobda. fotoebi SeviZine.
gamyidvelma bolos, esec Tan
waiReT, iqneb dagainteresoTo da 90-ian wlebSi gamomavali romeliRac Jurnalidan
amoWrili statiac gadmomca.
saxlSi frTxilad Sevudeqi
suraTebis amoRebas da ukana
gverdebze warwerebis kiTxvas. es pirovneba, vinme
bil aristokrats, feliqs iusupovs, Tavis sasaxleSi gamarTul erT-erT
balze Teodor Saliapini miuwvevia. genialuri
momRerali axalgazrda
qarTveli sopranos ana
kandelakis TanxlebiT
gamosula. momxibvleli
axalgazrda momRerlis
karmens sazogadoeba
aRufrTovanebia. swored
im saRamos gaucniaT
erTmaneTi iusupovis megobar vladimer ianoviCsa da ana kandelaks. axalgazrdebi male daqorwinebulan, magram am qorwinebam anas scena samudamod daatovebina. aseTi
iyo
aristokratuli
ojaxis moTxovna. statiaSi isicaa miTiTebuli,
pirveli msoflio omis
periodSi
vladimer
ianoviCi saevakuacio
fotoebi paata qurdovaniZis kerZo koleqciidan
mivubrundeT kvlav albomis fotoebs. erT-erT maTganze vladimer ianoviCi
jgufTan erTad, gorSi 1922
wlis dekemberSia gadaRebuli. masze qalaqis aRmasrulebeli komitetis safinanso ganyofilebis TanamSromlebi arian aRbeWdilni.
vladimeri ki, rogorc etyoba, am uwyebis xelmZRvaneli
yofila. es faqti sainteresoc da amave dros, damaintrigebelic gaxda. bolSevikebis Semosvlidan meore
welsac, warmoSobiT aristokrati, xelmZRvanelobs
safinanso ganyofilebas...
vladimer ianoviCi rom ver
iqneboda
bolSevikuri
ideologiis TanamgrZnobi,
amaze misi saxis TiToeuli
nakvTi metyvelebs.
internetSi ori dRis Ziebam olga dimitrievas statias mimagnebina, romelic
fskovis guberniaSi damkvidrebul ianoviCebis ojaxis
istorias gvamcnobs. rogorc
etyoba, is panoramuli fotoebi maT mamulSi, qalaq
opoCas siaxloves arsebul
ianoviCebis sasaxlis parkSia
gadaRebuli. am mamulis
pirveli mflobeli imperatrica elizaveta petres asulis favoritis aleqsei razumovskis umcrosi Zma,
grafi kirile razumovski
yofila. mecxramete saukunis
Sua wlebSi misi mflobelebi
dondukov-korsakovebi gamxdaran da vladimeris biZis,
fskovis guberniis opoCas
uezdis
Tavad-aznaurTa
winamZRolis, iliodor karpis Ze ianoviCis meuRles
nadeJda aleqsandres asuls
mohyolia mziTvad. ase gadasula rusul wyaroebSi _
Ïåòðîâñêàÿ ìûçà-d wodebuli es mdidari mamuli ianoviCebis sagvareulos mflobelobaSi. genealogiurma Ziebam is faqtic aRmomaCenina,
rom vladimer ianoviCis
deda grafinia elene nikolozis asuli uSakova
feldmarSal kutuzovis STamomavali yofila. ojaxSi
ufrosi Svili vladimeri
1879 welsaa dabadebuli, misi
Zmebi, nikolozi _ 1880 wels,
petre ki _ 1885 wels. swored
petre aleqsandres Ze ianoviCi yofila am mamulis ukanaskneli mepatrone. statiis
avtori revoluciis Semdgom
ganviTarebul movlenebzec
wers. am ramdenime wlis winaT
qalaq opoCas muzeumisTvis
vitebskis mcxovreb aleqsandra skoks SekiTxviT miumarTavs: gTxovT, SematyobinoT,
vin iyo ianoviCebis mamulis
bolo mflobelio. aRmoCnda,
rom aleqsandras mamas, jer
kidev bavSvs, saswrafo operacia dasWirvebia. ojaxs ki
tutis qimiur laboratoriaSi daewyo muSaoba. 1935 wels
xelisuflebas is solikamenskSi gadausaxlebia. 1937 wels
ki dauxvretiaT. rogorc
viciT,
vladimeri
saqarTveloSi iyo gadmoxvewili. etyoba, is keTili
moxuci misi saSualo Zma _
aranairi saxsari ar hqonia
da sasaxlis erT-erTi yofili mepatrone, TviTon
sadRac miwurSi mcxovrebi
moxuci daxmarebiaT. am
RvTisnier adamians ukanaskneli samaxsovro oqros
saaTi gauRia biWis sicocxlis gadasarCenad. Semdgom
mas babua da mama RamRamobiT
malulad uzidavdneno saWmels da gardacvalebis Semdeg, misive TxovniT, sxvisi
Tvalisgan uCumrad, iqve
parkSi daasaflaveso...
vikipediaSi miTiTebulia,
rom revoluciis Semdgom
petre aleqsandres Ze ianoviCs Tavis mamulSi saerTo
saxalxo komuna dauarsebia.
magram ramdenime xnis Semdeg
iZulebuli gamxdara, ojaxiT
leningradSi gadasuliyo da
erT-erTi samecniero insti-
nikolozi gaxldaT.
Semdgomma Ziebam vladimer
ianoviCis biografiis sxva
faqtebic gamoamzeura. is X
klasis mrCevelis cenziT
senatis me-2 ganyofilebis
TanamSromeli
yofila.
pirveli msoflio omis dawyebis Semdeg ki, rogorc
artileriis
Tadarigis
oficeri, daWrilebis frontidan evakuaciis saqmes emsaxureboda. oleg gonCarenkos wignSi `TeTri emigracia
varskvlavsa da svastikas
Soris~ moxseniebulia Cekas
mier parizSi mivlinebul
agentad!.. ruseTis federaciis prezidentis arqivSi dacul erT siaSi ki figurirebs,
rogorc saqarTvelos sabWoTa respublikaSi 1938 wlis 12
seqtembers daxvretili damnaSave!..
teqstis avtori paata qurdovaniZe
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