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FEMA official says he has seen evidence of fraud in engineering reports used
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Thousands of people who have been denied flood insurance claims for homes destroyed by
Hurricane Sandy have been crying fraud. Now, the executive in charge of the Federal
Emergency Management Agency's insurance program tells 60 Minutes he has seen evidence of
fraud in reports used to deny them full insurance payouts. The executive, Brad Kieserman,
FEMA Deputy Associate Administrator for Insurance, also tells correspondent Sharyn Alfonsi
he has seen evidence of the use of unlicensed engineers for flood damage reports, another
criminal act. What's more, he says FEMA has been aware of this evidence for more than a year.
Kieserman speaks to Alfonsi for a 60 Minutes investigation into how fraud may have been the
reason thousands of homeowners' claims were denied. Her report will be broadcast Sunday,
March 1 at 7 p.m. ET/PT.
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"I'm not going to sit here and conceal the fact that it happened. Because in the last three
weeks, I've seen evidence of it," says Kieserman. He is referring to engineering reports that
originally blamed flood water for severe structural home damage, but were then changed to
say there was no structural damage to homes. The changed reports were used to justify a
heavily reduced insurance payout. It's a scenario under which hundreds of Hurricane Sandy
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victims are now suing insurance companies and engineering firms, who are part of the FEMAbacked flood program.
Asked by Alfonsi if he had seen evidence that unlicensed engineers had been used, Kieserman
replies, "Yes. Which is why I referred it to the Inspector General."
Kieserman then tells Alfonsi he believes there were "signals" of these problems in late 2013 -a year after the storm -- that FEMA could have acted on. "This upset me very much... had [the
signals] been elevated in the agency--[they] would have been very helpful in helping us help
people earlier," says Kieserman.
He is referring to people like Bob Kaible of Long Beach, N.Y. Kaible said he had proof his
engineering report had been altered to deny most of his claim. But he got nowhere with his
insurance company. He tells Alfonsi, "We ended up having to sell the property...I had
estimates of 300 to $350 to rebuild the house. I'm getting $60,000. What am I going to do?"
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Kaible sued and his case was brought to the attention of Texas trial lawyer Steve Mostyn, who
specializes in insurance cases. "The fraud is taking engineers' reports and changing them-from saying there was structural damage to saying there's no structural damage, or giving the
engineers a form to fill out that already has the conclusion of no structural damage," says
Mostyn.
The insurance companies do it to save massive amounts of money, says Mostyn. The
insurance companies are overseen by FEMA's National Flood Insurance Program, a fund that
is currently $23 billion in debt to the U.S. Treasury. Alfonsi asked Kieserman if anyone at
FEMA told the insurance companies to "keep the claims down." Kieserman says he sees no
evidence of it. "As far as I know, no one at FEMA has ever done that."
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Kieserman also says the current settlement negotiations may not satisfy all of the Sandy
homeowners. "...the program was never designed to make everyone whole," he tells Alfonsi.
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