Minutes - City of Kankakee

CITY OF
KANKAKEE
PLANN I NG BOARD
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city of
had
PRoCEEDINGS
at
the
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Board held
at City Counci I Chanbers, 385 East 0ak Street,
Kankakee, Illinois, or the 16th dav of August A.D
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2016,
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hearing of the
comnenci
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Kankakee Planning
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PRESENT:
1.IS. LORETTO Col./HIG, Cha i rpe r son
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MS CAROLE S . FRANKE, ember
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hR EDLIIN ECKHARDT. Hember
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we have any connunjcations other than a packet which
you may al I have recei ved fron spi ros l aw fi rm and
rl'at may.oae Lp later '1 -l'p "9elda
I got somethj ng that
the fact based on what could potentiallY
that case toniqht That s somethi ng
h,ve r. be i ncl uded i n the next nonth s
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if they refile, It s sonething from the Department
of Transportation indicating thev received a notice
So i t cane after the fact and after vour packets
wert out so contrngent upon what happens tonight,
you know, that will be included
And
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don
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if
You want
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through the other conmunications and then me address
those two particular cases under -_ go !nder the
city council actions and then I address those two
particular cases before we do the !rfinished
business. The reason being is |ls COtnHIG: l,lhY don t Yo! go ahead.
[R. CROSS: okaY I did receive a
notjce today on both of the cases, case PB16-08 and
PB16-09. And you ll see in vour packets and I
dor 't know what the gene.ator was of thi s but thev
had sone i ssues they wanted to tal k about
In response, the app'licant has indicated
ard they ve subnitted in writing a motion to
withdraw therr reouest tonight with the intention
accordinq to the lett€r of naking sure that their
rotices are -- they j!st don't want to take anv
risk. So they re going to review this And I think
they feel confortabl e
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to nake s!re
everythlng is coDpleted, so se ll work with them on
that and cone back betore you next nonth wi th those
ahead and dojng the .enotices
l did speak with one of the indivrduals
who indicated that they
they responded to this
and they .e made aware of i t . so I don t know i f
they re here tonight. lle can ask if they a.e. bot
they re aware that the case was withdrawn -. both
cases are bei.g
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BP16-03 and 16-09
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thout prej
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there s no.ssuran.e that
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R. CRoSS: The.e s .o guarantee. but
ther€ is a letter, and I didn't make a copy b!t I
can .ead it for the record if you d like. And it s
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for each app I i cati on as to v?hat I ve been advi sed.
I t s nade out to ne And i t says, Due
to some confusion with the applicatio. process and
p!blic notices. the Sign of the Times wjll wjthd.aw
our application and resuboit in September. Thank
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by the appl i cant
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I get the intsntion th€y re
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to do i t but there s no guarant€s, Th€y' re not
obl l gated to, 8ut i f they do do i t. th€n they wi I l
have the follow tho process of the public notices,
And I thi nk lhey spoke wi th thei r couosel And thi
is what they feel iE the best course of action for
thei r appl i cati on.
|lS. CotlNI6: So if there s anyone here
tonjght 14ho was int€rested in either of those cases
se re not going to consider then this evening.
Check back with l,lr Cross ear'ly September to see
whether i t {i I I be on the aqenda for the Septenber
Thank you for having cone.
So we r€ back to -- so that sas the o.ly
ece of connuni cat i on.
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two cases that we have previously
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rhe condjtioral use permit to establish and op€rate
a major hone occupation group davcare at her
property that she plans on constrLcting at 703 South
Li ncol n. It was approved bv the counci I I ast nonth
Case PBl6-06 which was an application by
the city of Kankakee Planning Departnent The
si dewal k program was approved I di d i ndi c.te
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of the i ssues that cane up wi th . I i ke one - - vou
know, and amending sone of the conditions that we
tal ked about to be a better fi t Thev revi ewed then
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they approved your reconmendation
The only thing l don t believe theY
included in there and we talked about was the
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unb.ellas. I think they were wanting to wait at
least one year or that and see how it goes and then
naybe if they supply uhbrellas next vear that woLld
be part of the Program.
|1S. CO!,lHIG r Tha.k you Then we have
two cases of unfinished business, the first of which
is No. 16 04. This is for propertv at 2121 East
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Maple uhere Conmunity
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Alternatjves Illinois js
requesting a conditioral use pe.mit to establish
operate a community fanjly residence ai th't
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l./hat sas ou. status rhen we last
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I 0as qiven the task to do a
couple things shich I did follo, through on. Two of
tham was yoo know, confirmation that this parcel
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or was Payinq taxes.
And fron riat I have found based on the
.eport that cane froh the Kankakee County
Collectdr's office. the most recent tax bill which
{ould h6ve been for -- lt was tax year 2014 rhich I
bel i eve they pai d i n 15 i t does appear that they
has paid taxes
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yoLr know
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to verify,
the tax bills that
had no way
becaose those were
sere still generated fiy und6rstanding was under th€
previous owner, under Evelyn canpbell.
I did do sone research, I did not see
\4hs.e th€y had filed any exerptions after purchase.
So as of that tin6. I see -- t sas no evidence that
they - that they had taken action to not pay
property taxes. so what I was seein9, it appears
that thsy *sre planning on it, Now that's since,
yo! know, July whe. I check6d it. And that doesn t
nean thsy cannot co.i6 back and apply for that. you
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the assessor's office so
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August
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2015 and taxes would have
cRoss That's.jght. so that s how
I cannot verrfy -- yeah. I can ! verify yet whether
they -- that s where I was goi.g with that. So
that s a question. you know. the applicant can
probabl y answer bet ter than L but I di d do the due
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diligenc€ and .esearch and with the information
available lhe taxes were p6id and are.. at that
tire were scheduled to be paid in this tax year.
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irs. TERRILL BLr rhey did1',!
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so that's where we were on that.
I did go out and neasure. The property
oithin the aoo foot. It
ve.v close I aot roughly 500 feet and I was
does appear
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be well
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being - I !as tryrng to give the benefit of the
doubt, but I m at around 500 feet fror just what I m
s€eing in the CIS and the nappjng and based on the
fact. you know. the railroad width and the lot width
next to it being about 200 f€st. And that s froo
corner to corner now, That s not from ho0se to
house. But I was a.ound 500 feet what I'n seeinq
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as a communjty residence.
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the last thing
that's -- that s just what I was seein9
Ihe I ast thi ng i s we were asked on
identifying CILA addresses and I did speak with the
applicant who did provide the information we reeded
And she did make the effort to trv to find out who
has the other CILA addresses And she did provlde
ne with documentation from the Illinois Department
of Homan se.vi ces and I guess to me thi s pLts more
of an emphas'ls on them to verjfy whether it's
meeti ng thei r g!idelines
S. TERRILL: TheY don t even know what
is a cILA is. They spelled it with an s
R. CROSS: Ri9ht. And so I q!ess what
I m sayi ng I s I cannot ver'l fy the house next to i t
as a CILA, the one that s even within the 800 feet,
nor can I verify this
So it s a - and what s PUt in Your
packet , i t r ndi cates that thev do not have to
provjde that inforhation which nakes _ how do vou
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d.n t know That s not the faul t
That's not the fault of this
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Those are the facts
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foLnd. And so that s 4hat I ve
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there is a rental
Ms FRANkE: Is there
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Ns TERR!LL: And a b!siness
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did not identif Y
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Connunity Al ternat i ves of
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Il I inois should have a b!si ness lr cense.
rlR CR05S Ard I have not 9ot one
have not fo!nd that yet. And she co!ld probablv
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whether or
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Ms. FRANKET The other thinq too jf
oaid that were due in June vou can go
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that it
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fR. CRoSSi I don t know how quicklY
they update You got to renember June J!lv late
June, early July, b!t it showed that it was
schedul ed to be pai d and owed That ' s whv I 'n
sayi ng they have not fi I ed a tax exempt statLls or
had not as of that ti ne That s what I have for
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nS. COl"lHIGi Anv other group home that
the ci ty 1i censes, the ci ty woul d have a record of,
but if s!ch a home had been established before the
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fls COilHlGi -- we have no official
l4R CROSS: We have no offi ci al And
the other issue is the conditional !se pe.nit would
not have been requi red lf vou renember back i n the
day, R-11, R 2 and R_3 zoninq districts did not
require a condrtional use perhit Thtf was -- I
think that was an anendnent l don t know, it was
early 2OOOs But - a.d the business ricenses to
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be honest, the organization I believe has to
hrsiness license. but does the residence.
Ms. TERRILL: l,,ie1l that s what
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the orqanization have a business license?
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doesn't have a business license?
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Well, some nonprofits and
state I i censed agenci es do not have to have an
inspection or -- and they do rot have to pav for a
b!siness license. They just register, if I recall.
So it s Iike -- Iike attorneys' offices and stuff,
they j!st register because they're licensed through
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|]S. TERRILL: B!t isn t this business
regi stered i n Karkakee wi th a Ka.kakee address?
fR. CRoSSi Hell, sone businesses are
but they are licensed through the state. There are
certain exerptions for b!sinesses that are licens''d
through the state. Real tors , for exampl e. Berrv
that question p.obablv better than I lf
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I recall your realtor's office. you don't pay for
busjness licsnse. You iust.€9ister, right?
B€cause you re licensed through the Illinois
Departnent of Professjonal Regul3ti on.
hR, ficCRACKE : W€ got a .€al ostats
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that's it.
that in lie! of
They accspt the stats I i cens€ i n I i eu of and thon
j ust re9i ster the busi ness
lis. C0llHI6: So wh.re do w€ stand? If
w8 cannot verify, but qe belisve that th€re is
6nother 9roup hone within lsss than 400 t€st of thi
property, does that nean this p.operty is ineligibl
or can we wajve that requir6msnt if we are so
BR. CRoSS: They.ccept
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be careful about any precedent that you
set by doing th.t.
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But, yeah, yo! have the
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{ell, that would create a
en because the State of Illinois requires that
lot line to lot line th€r€ be a ninimuh of 800
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I know. But that i s Part
even p.ovlde us evidence
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state requi rehent?
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req!i res a mi ni mum
800
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Crty of
Kanlar ee
.f 400 feet from lot line to lot
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if anyone, has the
aPPeal i t?
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6t the state I evel ?
I n assuming they 9ot ar appeal board. BLt naybe we
need to bri ns the aPPl i cant up here because she s
probably nore faniliar
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Thrs wo!ld be the oPPort!ne
COWHIG
you cone
fo.ward
Loudro'ioeti
Please?
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th€ program manaser for Connunity Alt€rnatives of
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Illinois that's known as CAIL, C-A-I-L.
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questlons of you 6sking about the 400 feet. Th€
state is actually ara.e of the property. 2121.
sxisting as a cILA as !!ell as they ar€ aware of the
other CILA that's in the -- across the railroad
track. I don t eve. know the know the nane of that
CILA- But I know it s there, And I know that it s
a Cl!A just because I have been in the field fo. a
whlle and I recognize the house,
the state has not had a problen with
us existing shere we're at frorl then. If they did,
they would have actuelly call€d !s on it, Aid
they ve been out to the house and they would have
.6tually gave us a tag for it. Ihey d1d no1 9ive us
a tag.
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WALLS: A tag
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p.obl ens, that you got
basical
ke dhen they co0e out
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*rite up everything that is
wrong or what is right, And v6've not had a problen
tor getting anything written up for the hoLrse nor
stating that it s too close to the othsr CILA.
for licenslng
and thsy
S. ColtflIGr And do you hav€ yo0r
I i cense fron the state?
tls. WALLS: Yes Connunity Alternative
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did you j!st resister?
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{e.e you required to or
lot that I know of beca'rse
see I actually was brouqht here to Kankak€e. You
know, I'm fron Kankakae. But basically they hi.€d
me to cone here to tak€ over and establish the cILAs
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that s
located on the outskirts of Kankakee Th6t I know
that th€y did get sonething fron the City of
Kankake€ or -- it s either the cl ty or ths CountY of
Xankakee stating that t hey .r€ in €ri stence and theY
have the ri tht to exj st.
R. CRoSS: okay, liell I ll follow uP
with the business license and l ll conf€r sith the
Basical
we have one
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eqal departflent r I terms of th:t
you're operating aid you ve had your fire
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inspections, insurance and things like that,
you ve had your rental I i cense, I mean, that
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and
the tYPes of things
. b!siness I i cense.
ng it done but I do
whether yo! are required to have a b!siness license
with the full inspection o. you as ar agencv that
t go by your address l,lhat i s
physi cal address of your busi ness?
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MR CRoSS: And th.t
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business entity that s operatirg in
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Irs. t,iALLs
Thank you
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IS. C0IJHIG: So in effect the state is
di sreqard'lno its own requrrement
l1S l"/ALLS I ouess in a sense. Yo!
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I do know that their lice.sing people
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been there and they have not had any probl ems wi th
the location of the house As a matter of fact.
they compl rment the house So yo! know so they
know exactly where it s located physically as well
I ll j!st say beca!se normally the same people
us!ally. you know, are assisned to an area so yo!
know, they sho!ld know that the other CILA is the.e
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'o CP055. Do -ts. rpd,r' e tldL doo
door or p.operty line to property line?
fS WALLS: The only experience I have
with that is when I was run.ifg ny own agency a.d
basically where that cane i.to effect is that if I
soi.o lo open up anothe. one within that 800
feet. then I would have to make s!.e that I did not
exceed '16 peopl e BecaLse i f you exceed l6 peopl e
then vo! re qorng into an ICF.
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CR0SS Gotcha. I wonder i f that
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buffer area yo! know, up to maxim!h.!mber
11S C01"lHIG I thought the goal was we
don t wart to create a concentrated cluster of such
homes l\Je want them disbursed th.oughoLt the
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rf you co!ld talk to the person who did this
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review and gave this conment?
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fS. WALLSi That was my own agency which
was actually located in the llatteson a.ea whereas
now we re talking .est care and I m working for then
whe.eas I don t ow. this agency.
fR CRoSS: Well I think what he s
saying is i f the i.dividuar came from I m assuming
the Department of NLnan Services?
S I,IALLS: YeS ,
fR cRoss: 1f l co!ld neet with
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so we -- and
disc!ss this with them and find out
it s not so m!ch even -- quite honestly, and l don t
know if maybe I n jumping ship here. but we ve got
to figure ort how the state thrnks on this to better
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s the prenise for going aqainst
your own distance requirement. 0r is there
sonething q!ite honestly we re missinq. Maybe we're
naybe we i ust don t understand the 0' oc€ss
S. l,lALLS: 0kay. I can get you the
i nformati on as far as the devel ophental di sabi I i ty
licensing burea! for the Chicago area. I can get
you that i nformati on
l'lR CR05S: 0ray.
llS l'ALLS: But othe. than that , I {o!t d
say 'i t shoul d be - - i t mi ght be that because of how
the house was purchased and naybe that when they
purchased the house they was not aware of the other
place being a CILA, so, the.efore, nobody actually
di d the measurenent because, see, I can 't say that
becauso I wasn t there in the beginring.
fR CRoSS: No. I lnderstand. I j ust
want to hake sure we understard. And I think the
board wants to know -- you probably want to be as
inforned as you can before you take any action and
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ns. TERRILLT l.lell, ona thing that may
be at play here is did we ever establish if this was
a CILA or a boardin! house? llaybe they aren t
corsidering it a CILA becaLse it isr't.
MR. CR0SS: That s a good questi on.
fS. WALLS: 0ur aaency?
MS TERRILL: No
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fS WALLS: No. The state consi ders us
a cILA. That s how they lice.sed us and that s how
they come out a.d they review us.
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we had
esrablished that thev did not.
MS, WALLS: No.
MS. TERRILL: That you were
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as a boardi no ho!se.
|lS. WALLS: No. l,ie are a CILA, b!t
we
are a CILA that has -- that whereas the clients
it s client controlled. So the state has two ways
of doing CILAs. 0ne could be a CILA that s client
control'led neaning that the client pays for the rent
with their noney ard th€refore like certain things
you don t have to meet Iike the fire darshal won t
come down beca!se it s supposed to be at your own
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narshals don t have
come here. The fire
departm€nt inspects the house. (ankakee City Fire
Departnent inspected the house. And actually the
fi re department cal I s for nore rul es or shal I I say
nore things to be added to the house thar what the
fi.e narshal would have did as well as what was put
forth in the guidelines by the state that we have to
tell then now. Because accordi.g to the state, all
se tdd to oo
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hot wi red to each other neani nq that when
one qo off all of then 9o off.
Accordirg to the city, they wanted it
wh€re it was act!ally sonewhat hot wired to a radio
station that actLally broadcasts to the fire
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which is totzlly diffe.ent.
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FRANKE: And
is that
an annual
fron the Kankakee Fi re Department?
flS UALLS Ye- I t , dn. ral \od.
fact, I wi I I see the fi re departhent
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i nspected . flapl e was j Lst compl eted not too I ong
ago where we finished with the wiring of the fire
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R. R0REI r That woul d
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fR CRoSS: okay . I mean , you
to probably have to have it -- we re going
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that while it s tabled Ynu .ar ..1I me and
gi ve i t to me at my offi ce.
S, l,lALLS r Al l ri ght. That s fi ne
hR. CR0SS: 0r send me somethin9 in
writing o. sonething. Just if I have that wjthin
the next few days. that way I can call h'in and get
i t worked o!t before the next meeti ng
MS. NALLS: okay . I can do that
11R CR0SS: I mean , i f that 's somethi rg
w.,a have to hzve
|lS. TERRILL: I have a sensitive
question to ask, and I think it s necessary but it
is a natter of public record and it is somethinq
that we coul d I ook up anyway but you woul d save us
the ti me, di d you pay your real estate taxes i n
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Because
I don t
handl e
actually sent - because I heard what yoLr al I were
asking, I actually sent a text to the owner to see
di d they pai d the taxes so I woul d have to actua l I y
go back to my phone and get it to see if he
responded back to me.
We actLal I y rent the house fron $i dwest
Conpany and basically |lidwest Conpany is registered
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actually, you know have, you know, more real
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fi nd out di d they pay the taxes
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fS TERRILL: r dwest what?
l.lS. l"lALLS: Because yo! re aski ng ne
don t know. You know, because I h
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TERRILL: A.d they're located where?
WALLS: She said
Georgia. I
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Col,,lfIG: It was or the application
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info.mation f.om them that they paid the
I can request that they send ne maybe a
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the rai I road tracks and
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rai I road l.acks.
tal ki nq abo!t that he had to
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the corner. That s the that s the one that he
lFrt oned be(arse I *oLld on-y -.coa117e -hS. l,,iALLS:
yo! go right
across the track. It s a -- it's a square lot.
It s a pretty good-s'lzed lot. l,lhat is that? That
would actually be northwest, kind of northwest on
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that thousand foot
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precedent. It s that sinple
nS. FRANKE: Ard i t s even I ess than the
800 reqoired by the state. You said it was
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I mean it appears well within 800.
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our requi.ement.
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CoWHIG:
0ur requirehent is
feet separation?
fS FRANKE: Yes .
from lot line to lot line.
a
thousand
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nformation do we
need?
I they wanted me to try
to get an understanding of,vhy, if I understood
co.rectly. co.tact the individual fron the state who
has cone oLt and authorized this.
l"/hile it does appea. that it s in
conflict with their regulation. why. and what is the
reasoning behind it. I don t know 'lf they p.ovide
some sort of.epo.t, but I gLess maybe it will help
us understand what they re classifyrng each one of
theh aybe we re missing something in terms of -yo! know what are they seer ng that nakes then you
know, say it s okay. I just
fS FRANKE: And you re also goir! to
determine if a b!srness license was req!ired
fR. CRoSS: Well, yeah. I was going to
confi.m if there was a business license, but what
I m 9uessing 1s based !pon the fact that their
business is physically located in Bradley, they
would not have been .eq!ired to.eqiste. as a.
active b!siness The hone rtserf would need to. yoL
know go through the fire inspection and the rental
inspection which it has
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falling -- this is one of those uses that we're
considering consideri.g the conditioral use
pernit based upon the -- to operate as a comn!nity
residence and rt s one of those to!chy ones, do you
consider it a home occupation. It s not defjned as
a home occ!pation, so does it require a business
l icerse. So that s sonethin9 I m goi.g to have to
get with the legal departhent to clarify as well
S. C0l",HlG: With all these uranswered
questions, is there a motion to table the case?
R. RoRE : I would make a notion to
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fS Col,lHIG: Is there a
fR. ECKUARDT: Second.
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Rorem
lr Eckhardt to tab'le the case. It
not debatable. l,loLld you call the roll?
HR. CRoSS I will.
Edwin Eckhardt.
flR ECKHARDT: Yes.
seconded by
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fS. FRANKE: Yes.
R. CRoSS T arsha Lloyd.
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R. CRoSS: Loretto Cowhig,
S. CoWHIG: Yes .
|]R, cR0ss: fot'i oi to tabl e carri es. It
wo!ld come back on the -- it wourd be the 20th of
Septenber So I will look forward to getting that
infornatio. if I could so I can generate that for
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WALLS; okay.
R. CR0SS: Thank yo!.
fS. ColtNIG: lle ll
hope
to see yo! then.
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The other piece
of unfinished business
was case No 16-05 which was for property at 154
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th outdoor stora9e.
MR CRoSS: Yes. This one was tabled
last donth as well. I think the biggest q!estion
was where were they going to be when they cane back
in terms of the clean-up of that. I thought, if I
understood cor.ectly, they were going to work on
getting their neighbor which was the bi9gest issue
to make an effort to clean that property up, their
tenant to address that i ssue.
So I drove by there today. still see
quite a brt outdoor activity. So I don't know if
they can give us an update of where th€y are at this
operation
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was coning back
this
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month at
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about the areas of corcern. I
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warted to ask her as
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is
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wel
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because
three areas.
You drive in the very so!th part of the
building where the door is open. That looks like
rhar 5 sl-ere ! re, _c brpar' dowr I 1e erg i.
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whatever they re breaking down there, the cores of
actual
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nR. CRoSST There was some questions I
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a.ea that's behind the chain link fence that s
You can see in and see parts. And then there
dlo.her o14 -har l-"s. yo,..o4. s.reFrirg.
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in the frort of the
bui I di n9 . There was a coupl e of peopl e out there
looked like there were vehicles out there and I
don't know if that s rhere they re staging -- they
didn t have anything tore apart there. But there
were a couple of people rike they had a vehicle
there, bLt maybe that was the vehicle they were
going to load on to but then you get up to the very
north of the property, you have that c!stom auto or
whatever it is in the really long white building,
And they were completely opened and operating. And
they ve been there a long time is my understanding,
Then you Oet
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-- so I
try'lng to figure out what I n wo.dering what I was goi.9 to ask to qet
clarified is her business, the custon auto that s
beer there I wanted to find out just exactly what's
in the niddle where the two individ!als e.e out
there and what s her tenant s and what s 9oi ng.
NR R0REI'l: In the area where the stock
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the other building too which
sto.y !e are going to address that.
I an goi ng to - - because they' ve been the.e a I ong
tine. I got to frnd oLt where the continLed oLtdoor
operati ons are nonconforni ng !ses That 's why I
really need to know whose cars are what so I car get
an ider.f whai s the fr.nt businesses and has it
and wh.r'r fhc crrs
chansed ove. the years or
that s just been thrown out there i 1l egal I y.
I don' t know how
That s -- that s
other than if we
to do that other
get nothjnq fron them thrs applicatror will be
deni ed , and they don t qet their conditional use
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c.n address the whole property as a
whol e afd say you qot some outdoor storaqe qoi ng on
out here. I ve waited because it's active as part
of the permit here. conditional use permit. So I
don t
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out there non I seer some old -- so those are
thinqs that I n aoing to address fron a code
standpoint regardless what happens with her req!est
because yoL re either a motor vehicle operating
business o. yo! re a salvage yard
s. those are thi.gs that wi I I be
addressed after thrs application ejther is approved
or denied Ejthe. way.
fS. FRANKE: The notes I have, we were
go'lng to cla.lfy the address ownership iss!es and
arso determrne sFecific EPA guidelines if they were
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And she was supposed
I ve qot nothinq J.on then on that.
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the add.ess, I ve clarified it.
I m goir9 to hake it -- I ve got a definition of
addresses which I would I m not going to make it
154 and a half. I n probably qoing to hake it 156.
!R. R0RE11: Because 154 rs the only
address that s present on the street
Now,
ilR. CRoSS: Right. Ite could
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I got
io find ort,, h,a..rse I d.n t w.nt t. rse. half if
I can avoid rt. So it's pretty simple that the
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address
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fS CoWHIG: In the absence of the
i cant shal I we tabl e the case?
IS. TERRILL: Who is requestirq that
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Despite yoor notice to her,
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initiative.
to have beef some mi sunderstandi
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th-are
seems
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fR. CRoSS: Yeah. She -- I spoke with
her, yo! know - - I ast month she cal I ed as wel l And
I said, no we re not meeti.q because - well I
tol d her tlie ci rcuhstances . And I sai d. so where
are you at. And she had
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real ly need to continue to work on clearing up that
site. And we were in agreenent that she was goin9
to work towards getting that site in better shape
for this boa.d because I said it would go a long way
i n th'i s request to know that we re separati ng uses
And then I called her and identified that, hey you
know, we re still neeting on -- you know, tonight
and she was aware of i t. so . .
NS Co!,/HIG: 1,,hat is your pleasure?
R, R0REI'l: In terns of cleaning Lp this
ambiguous area, what is the best way forward for the
city to move towards a resolution?
MR cRoss: Thi s i s what I can do. 1f
you -- if yo table it, it s not the end of the
world becaLse it s gojng to take time because to
clean it Lp we re going to hav€ to 9et court orders
0kay. You re goi ng to have to serve and - - what I
can suggest i s that we don t hold back on that
anymore and I can confer wi th I egal . fie can send a
we ve already sent the notice for the
notice for
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the notice for the violation
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l"/e can send
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t lost any time.
And then r f we cone back and theY
haven t done anything or if they re doing it we
can -- or vou can dery the application afd then they
have to wait -- well, you deny -- you make a
recammendation of denial which woLld 9o to co!nci
and that s not qoina to get to co!ncil untll
probably the
I.o!1d do this l/e co!ld scrredule
council
it -- what s the second meeting in
meeting in septenber?
fR R0REf: Because of Labor Day i s
in court
and we haven
eve.ythinO noved back a week?
NR CRoSS: Wel I
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Tuesday
fS CoWHIo: No IheY uslallY meet on
if there s a fonday holiday.
lR. CR0SS: The nert neeting will be the
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would be obligated
to put it
on the council agenda
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I coul d .ecommend tabl i n9 i t . Because we' re
qoi nq to be acti ve i n the court
0n the 19th, I can see what action they
take. If they re maki ng progress and cl eani ng
thinss up from the co!rt, I co!ld have the council
send j t back to thi s commi ttee based !pon
the fact that we see proqress beinq made on the
I nean, to keep i t movi ra
but you can -- you lnow, it s -- o.
coul d technically
council co!ld theoretically
deny it too. They could flat out deny it if they
ieel that nothing is qoinq on on that date and I
cone back to you the next day and say, wel I
did nothira. councjl upheld your denial
s coWHIG: In that case, the
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ROREIl:
hopeful way forward?
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flR. CRoSSi Tabljng g!arantees it comes
back to the planning board. And if they ve done
nothin9, then yo! could do your recomnendation for
deni a'l then. And you I ose two weeks before i t gets
to council for thejr final action 0r qo.inq ahead
and naki ng a recomnendati on sends i t back to councr
or sends rt to coLncil and it gives them they
have an option to deny it or could theoreticatty
approve it too wjthout hav'irg everything or they
could send it b..k
I nean i f you maLe
request toright. I ll take it to councit .in the
first neeting and without any discussion of that, I
mean, then they could just deny it.
And then the
applicants canrot reapply for one year. I don t
know why they re not here. I car ' t arswer that .
r,lR. R0REf I So the proceedi n9s and the
investi9ation as far as legal is concerned, if we
deny the -- deny it tonight, the proceedr'ngs to
investigate by l6gal will not be activated.
fR. CRoSS: 0h yes . I can
{or't bF a -i!.teo rr.r coLrc i a..rof.
flR R0REM: B!t th€y wo!td be
more quiclly rf we
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table. lle re wantrng to see progress. And this
board would be givirg the applica.ts I would say an
olive branch saying, hey, I don t know why you
didn't show but you got an opport!nity to make it
right.
Beca!se
that's what we want
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movement
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last tabled it.
And we al so can retabl
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so we could deny
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agai n.
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want to bring the coLncil in right
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fR AtlES: If they had showed, the
applicant had showed tonight, rt would nake a big
difference in tabling it.
tlR. CR0SS You have every right to deny
it. I m not disagreeing with that.
hR. AIIES: As a citizen I wou'ld like to
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f S. TERRILL: Exactly.
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But it s diffi.!lt
when
progress in two nonths and
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will say this. If ae tel I then hey, you
re st:.ting to file court papers next
they I I Lnderstand
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action on this applicant s appljcation,
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R EaKNARDT: Yes
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flaloney, vou need to cone fo.ward
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have in mind We have a copy of the appljcation
that you submitted. but I m sure there s nore to the
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our after-school progran, fanily meetings and staff
neetings and the parking is very snall conpared to
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to use the I ot for parki ng and that way
it won t be inconverient for the residents there
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conduct yo!r activities is the former Red Cross
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coWHIG: And how
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fS hAL0NEY: Ki tty corner.
fS CoWHIG: Roughly how far?
lS AL0NEY: I wo!ld say maybe
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11R. R0RE : I have a questi on abo0t the
lot, You know, the al ley -- when yo! 9o down the
alley, the lot directly behind your b!ilding I think
has a tractor parked on'it
fS. AL0N EY: Yes.
fR. RoRE : And there s a tree on that
Is the lot that yo! re talkirq about rorth of that?
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IALoNEY: Yes.
MALONEY:
lot north of that?
Uh -
huh.
rlR. RoREM okay. All right
So
if
the
lot lines line up straight. then it would be one lot
over on the other side of the block.
fR cRoss: I don t think it s 200 feet.
lR AhES: lt s 50 or
110
feet
R CR0SS: 11aximLm 50 feet. Because
basically yo!r
the lot you re talking about
tonight, the southwest corner, if there was no
al'ley, pretty nuch would be clippinq the northeast
corner of vo!r ex'lstino property.
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for off-site Darkifq And in..nner.i.l
drstricts you can have off site parking that
accounts for Lp to a certai. percentage of parkjn9,
I think it s 25 percent, as long as it s within 300
ljnear feet of yoLr oPerations. Resrdential y o,l
have to be 100 I i near feet So
important that yoL were in this case
.err.i. she s within 100 linear ieet
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plan to make into. parking lot,
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rou al .eady own i t o.
to buy i t?
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IJe al ready
ow. i t
fiS TERRI LL: IJhat about a c!rb c!t
th€ property? Is that sonethina that she
need? Because riqht now the only access would
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access to the property. Now theoretically
dependiig of the alley, yoL could l!st have
yo!r only access but you also have a right
.equi re c!rb cut access fron the front.
Bea. if n'lnd tho!gh that s subject to
engineering.eview because it s going to take their
review to irake su.e that it s an app.opriate
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woL'lrl kind
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co!ple of parki.g spaces on that other st.eet too.
fR cRoss: Absolutely. so if the
answer you re I ookr ng for i s i t woul d t'e okay to
have access from the alley becaLse of the approved
alleys, the answer is yeah
MR RnRF
An.l T think fhere
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the buildinA ard then drive across the
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!nfortunately th'ls -- I meaf. thrs would have to be
a variance to the Drovisions. You wo!ld have t.
have a. approved surface for mLltrpre reasons. for
stormwater runoff ihings lrke that. and those would
have to be part of an enaineerins review !rless
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that right to apply for jt b!t I could not
approve that a d i . i s t r a t i v e I y . It would have to
come before the -- get a va.ian.e th.ough -- of llie
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corplex because lir. Tyson *ould have to r€vie{ it
6nd be .ohfdrtable rith it as well
fS. CottHIG: So without the variance
there ,ould have to be a solid pavenent.
R. CRo55r If u€ go by the strict
of the parkinq ordinance, yes
S. IERRILL: Conc.ete or --
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! believe it s six inches of
a crushed stone and one inch of a bituminous
concrete or sinila. surtace, so roughly seven
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tlR. CR0SS: Yeah. Asphait would work as
wsll. sone of theh are a little tough6r so you hav€
to have less crushed stone or sone of ther are a
little oore. Ihere s multiple calcuiations that the
6ngi neer wi I I I ook at
R. AiIES: I think it's a losd linit.
It s based on load lirit
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fiR CROSSI Yo0 d h.ve to h.ve a crushed
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a sol i d i mpervi ous surface over the top.
Herl, wouldn t in that
case with there being residential on the one side of
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it, there wo!ld
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to be provision for drainage
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want
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cour d
into a variarce request. l\Jhar,s your demand
for parking. Do you only want to use a portion of
it, you know what I n saying, and you tandscape the
front of i t. And then naybe the vari ance can be
but the problen with the !..rance,
yo! know, yoL got to have hardships. And I mean
.o i n r ot d,/ .9 ir's npossrble. or. rt-erF ! -orF
thinqs that would have to be
if
did you have the crushed stone. it woutd hetp yo!r
inperious su.face issue affecting yo!r neighbors
It would protect them a littte more if yo! don t
have a fu'll, you knos what t n sayirg, that sort of
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niqhtnare tho!gh for theh to plow and stuff
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mean.
-- werre goii9 to run anything that s
going to through the engineer's office anyway
because it has to. The state
state wo!ld reqoire
it as well beca!se you -- there s nore to it thar
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the cars. It s the r!noff in te.ns of the -- how
fast i t gets i nto the storn sewer , I i ke yesterday
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have
to get sone sort
of enqineerinq opinjon and do
identifying incorporation of a varjance into this
which notices are much easier for variances. I
mean, I don t know if that s something you want to
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|]S. TERRILL: lhey re going to need that
for !s to move forward on anythi n9 aren t they,
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yoL could have the
infornation from the engineer to help you nake a
better -- to make a decisian of the variance. lt s
a matter of whether they re willing to pay for that.
S. Col,lfIG: It s not - we re not
considering the va.iance. lie re considering a
conditional use pe.mit.
R. CRoSS: I nean, they cou'ld get the
conditional use permit. And then if they got it fo.
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If they cannot neet those requi rements,
ei ther cone back and say , okay I want to
we can by defaul t i t goes . I nean, that
tine without being out of anything. I
ve done your noti ces and everythi nq. At
k.ow yo! can nove forward.
11S TERRILL: 8ut jn the meantine. they
can t park on it.
R. CR0SS:
mean, they coul dn t
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we caught them
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on
side"alks ,r rrd. i.j9l-borrood
f6y r6e1
to the curb as f.r as how the sidewalk
-1".jty s dew"ll'. r reens r) .1oLqtittle pa.lway that could be used fo.
p..kway pl.ntif g.
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sidewalk or is there nore in there and they just put
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at survey to confi rn
am g!essing -- and
the GIs is really hard
I n guessi na, Chip,
three feet inside. And the sidewalks for one reason
o' .no_he . trp\'re o r- -jgrt rp o. rle qrr"F
fR RoRE : Yeah.
R. CRoSS: Traditionally you ' ve got
.ouqhl y three to four feet i n between th,a .Lrrb an.l
I n suessinq three,foot width on the
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to three feet at teast.
fls. TERRILL: In Cracevj]]e, even though
we have the uti I ity easemert i n the back of our
property, we have - our sidewatks meet the 6urb
And we have sonewhere between three and four feet of
easenent on our side of the sidewalk.
R. CR0SS: That s pretty standard on
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HR. R0REtt: You know where
I n gojng
with this? i m going to say it woutd be a good
neighborly act to do sone ptanting and there are,
there's a progran in ptace that woutd contrib!te to
that as far as tree planting in the parkuay, b!t
they have to be in the parkway. So we have to
identify the parkway Then you co!td get sone trees
fron the ci ty pl anted i n that parkway whi ch yo!
would have to ca.e for but the trees woLtd b_pl anted as part of the ci ty program That s why I ,m
the parkway.
{R LPoSS vert- \o Ao)o ute y a1d
I meao, if the gravel is a concern I mean, I don,t
know i f there s a. al ternate substance, One good
thing is this is,, it s overftow parkjng, so it,s
not prina.y. And I don t think you'tt
I don t
aski ng about
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IS. flAL0NEY: I rea]ty can t say.
lR. CR0SS: Because honestty that's
9oing to have be to catcutated as wett because yoL
get over a certai n poi nt, yo0 have to provi de a
second ADA or a third ADA handicap accessjble space
ard does that nean you ve got to restrjpe your nain
parking area because you re rot going to be abte to
put your ADAs out he.e in your overftow There s
j ust so nany factors that go i nto the desi gn that
real I y i s an engi neeri ng cat I
fR RoRE : is this tot 5o by 150?
flR. CRoSS: This tot was roughty
7500 square feet, so 50 by 150.
flR. R0REIi If we ]ook at that, yo0
know, yo! re not going to be abte to get any mo.e
than 15 parking places on that tot. And (.iiaudjble)
yourre going to be able to park on one side and
drive on the other side. I think you have six or
seven spots on I ot ri ght now
hS. ALoNEY I Yes.
MR R0REt1: And one of them is an ADA
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sPot, so ny .ecollection
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that has the Aoa symbol in it and then right next to
i s there a stri Ped area?
tlS. [AL0llEY: Yes
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sign, you kno{, wheel chai r sign
the handicap
but I saNl the diagonal
maps
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CROSS: Do you have
little
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you knoa, on that.
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r4s. IALONEY: tle had a]readv looked jnto
asphalt anyway, but the cost
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for the asphal t
the stone and then save
That's what we re looki
I nean, there are
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fR RoREr: If we dor 't add a variance
to our activity this eveninq and
conditional use Pernit, the need
shoul d there be one , i s goi ng to .ome back to !s.
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R. R0REf: So after engineerirg reviews
your intent. they re going to say to you you have to
do thi s . You re goi ng to have to asphal t i t or vou
have to pave i t wi th concrete or whatever. Afd i f
that s something that triggers your need fo. a
vari ance, you have to cone back and .equest a
variance to.ot do that That would also have to be
with the consent of engineering.
MR. CR0SS: l",e d have to go wjth the
directive of them. yeah, because you don't want anv
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they need a directive of where to go. And I don t
know what - - whether there s sonethi ng that wo!l d
allow for temporary parking on the grass That's up
to - - b!t you got to be careful w'i th that beca!se
you start getting a r!tted-up lot and evervthing
environnental
|lS TERRILL: He alreadY have an issue
with that trLck that s parked there
fR CRoSS: And yoL don t want to do
that to the fei ghborhood i f you car avoi d i t I
mean, I !nderstand the circumstances as well
Ils TERRlLL: Let ne make sure I
understand here. lf we grant her the conditional
use permit on the condition that they pave the lot
rl'er _! 9o.\ lrrorqr dn engirper.q rcl 6(
autonatically. risht?
[R. CRoSS: l"lell, they wou]d have to
get -- to pave the lot _ yori woLldn t even have to
put in there grant to pave the lot. What happens is
once they qet a conditional use permit. then thev
if it s new constructjon all the way from
have to
the groLnd !p or whatever, they have to follow a
process of gojng th.o!gh the building department
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s goi ng to get a pl an
review. If there s a building gojng up, thev get
the architecture Dl ans, 1f they .e puttinq in
parking lots. it would go over to the enginee.
They do their review. They do all the calc!lations
and whatever it may be. So quite honestlv, any
time you ever grant a conditional use permit. it
doesn t mean i t s ever goi ng to go awav, so.
t1S. TERRILL And on the other hand if
we were to table it and ask her to br'ing back
information from an engineer, that woLld be at he.
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hS. TERRILLi So we re better off giving
her the conditional use perhit and letting the
buildinq thing do its thing
fR RoRE : I agree.
R. A ES: I agree with that
S. Co\,rHI6: Before we act ,
ask i s there anyone i n the audi efce who
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It s not always parked there. It s
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the truck beca!se we do pay Jor parking
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y question is obvious'ly we don t want
Sravel if she is going to put a parking lot because
they've already -- they had a cenent slab that had
been destroyed that had taken out and the people
that had done it had left pieces of the concrete and
Iy husb.nd hlts it with
i t had ootten scattered
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bl ades and everythi ng
permanent, somethi ng hard
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goi ng to
scatter into our lot because we do have a lot of
neighborhood kids that walk through there and thev
have picked up rocks ard thrown them We ve had
people that are parked directly next to them that
And we
have had broken wi.dows in RVs and c.rs
ri.n t want to have to have that issue as welI
And also ny question is would there be a
fence put up around it because we re worried that
people are goinq to walk from their l6t ,cross our
lot to get to their buildi.g because ours is the one
that s right behind them. And does that pose a
legal situation for us if sonebody f,rrs on oLr
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barrier where they have to wa'lk thro!gh the allev to
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it s not identified as a condition of the
condj ti oral use permi t ! we coul dn 't force them
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it. But if it s a condition of the conditional use
permit, sone sort of barri er i n the I andscaPi ng, I
mean, that is an option of the committee.
a liability standPoint, Your
pri vate property is your -- I mean it s tough to
cal I . That woul d be up to an attorney. I mean _
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fR CROSSi It creates hore traffic.
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CRoSS Creates no.e traffic
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S CARDENAS: Right
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all for
then havi ng more parki ng because as of now we do
have -- whe. they have overflow parking on our
property, you know, here, there, scattered. l.Je have
had ruts put in our lawn fron, yoo know, the bus
coning jn and out. That hasn t happened for a whire
sirce they, yo! know, fi.st moved in But just last
weekend I thi nk we had somebody parki ng vou
o 4_r ly 1 l-o.r o wlerp -.F t o( ro- i r' v
bl ocki ng - - i f my husband had to I eave or go
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c.nditions for it as well.
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poi nt
Thank you
S. COlnNIG: Thank yo! verY nuch.
NS, CARDENAS: That
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for the lot so that a fence or a landscape barrier
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as an inconpatible use which could nean that vo!
lave >o 1e gro ldro 4 o o.o' rds o 'eq r1_e
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landscaping based on our landscapinq ordinance
it s a to!9h question
and
it s an unknown -- I mean beca!se really what
they re doina is they re creatirg accessorv parking
on a separate lot. so I think how you handle it
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th€ futur6. t don t kno, if that s th6 best answer
but i t s an unknow. , I nean, to be hon6st
tlS. TERRILL: I would just be hesitant
conditions to this conditionsl use pe.nit
require them to p€rform naintsnance that
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to be part of this conditio. because I can t come
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Probably continue to do it.
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s CARDENAST No. sir. lt s 1449 Solth
Third It s in the middle of the block. It'
riterally my garage is right behind
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to blocl that
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opposed to directly going straight across
thejr car, yoL know if they coold just
alley and then irto the lot
my I ot to thei r car i s what
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street to the alley then tlrere woLld be no poi.t
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of the parking lot fron the street to the alley.
then there lvould be no point in anyone cutt'ln9
across yo!. property because shen they got to the
ferce they couldn t get ifto the parking lot
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the alley and then nake a right turn 'lnto the
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were able to p.otect our vehicles. so that was
something that we rvanted to do. lie jost didn t know
rf we were Ooing ro introduce rt at this particular
junct!re or if it was somethi.g
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fS TERRILL: No
NR. [AL0NEY: lle can t do that? So now
I knotr. So whatever ki nd of fence i s , you know i s
allowed, yo! know. that s -- we wanted somethrnq to
basically shield o!r vehicles because we have had
So that s
rocks throw. at our vehr c'les as wel I
just somethjng that we were tryrng to avoid beca!se
it costs a lot of money to get a window fixed on a
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reason to add a condition because if you put
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in a residential zoning district, vou can
i n a chai n l i nk as your back fence But thi s i
unique. This isn t part of keeping the dog in
backyard situation This is _- this 'ould be a
to address your two concerns where the fencinq, if
j t s a sol i d PVC fence provi des some bufferi ng
fence
well a\, roL 1low berlpr ptore.Lion
I 'h not sayi fg vou can t put anv boshes
or landscaping in there I m just saving it does
for that i rcohpati bl e use i s you have to have a
sol i d fence and i t addresses that requi rement as
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residential fenci ng is
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certain p.ovisions I mean, vou.e allowed up
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.an t chai. link PVc, whatever else Finish
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the alley, this could
be
to be five foot in fron
yo!r alley property line fron the eid of You. fence
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So what I m saylng is residential
di stri cts can have chai n I i nk fences. but i n
case. I think what I n hearing is chain link
goi ng to neet the n66d - - even though you are
residential zoning district. yo! have a
nonresidential use in your district there. You have
that parking lot that s goi.g to d.ag nore traffic
than the traditional two or three cars than a
residential hone. You re going to have 15 cars o.
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NS. TERRILL: 0r a black alunin!n fence.
tlR CRoSS: or a black aluninur fence.
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R. |ALoNEY: okay.
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the tine of sight issues as rell or
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aluninun which is ths hoilow alurinur, It s pretty
strong. And it s abo!t a quarter of the price ot
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on the fence height. tly recoll€ction i3 that onc€
you get to the froit building setback line, that the
fence has to be shorter.
R. CRoSS: Has to be down to
defined
as a decorative fenc€ and -- y€s. That s truo, And
that has to be th.ee feet
than three
fsst, And you have to have a 50 percent open which
wh€re your wrouqht iron would come in, but then
you're goinE to go fron tall to short and then you
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start creating
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problems, So yoL wou'ld have to
establish where you want the front of this at to
establish your front buildinq line.
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what I saw from af
admjnistrative standpoint I would treat it verv
sinilar to as if this was a house going in where the
footprint of -- yo! know, if yo!r reqLired setback
is 2o feet bLt then. you know, you got where a
certain pe.centage of houses are within a certain
di stance that i t can - that s the establ i shed
front setback so you don t get the stai r-stepper
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those ho!ses are not 20 feet from the -- I m
guessi n9 they re 10 feet fron the front property
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Iine is set back farther'
t5a a-6 ' p crose
|lR CR0SS: lne wo!ld try to keep it
corsistent with that and define that as the front
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lR. CR0Ssr I'lhich neans that s where I don t krow how fa. they want to take the parklnq
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I m g!es5rnq as cl ose as we can to the
homes, you Ino4, wher.,p we don t have
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any more outside oJ the first one, naybe one more
car and how are thev going to squeeze in there so
rt s 9orn9 to be close
that s soi ng to be
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setback f ron the alleY znd rhe 25 foot setback from
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Both sides of the
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so e i ssues with the entrance fron the al I eY
nto the alley ls that goi
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-- you knoq. a little ftore traffic cohinO
throogh there. is that going to deteriorate those
entrances nore? Beca!se we -. somet'lnes your car
naybe
hits a ka-boon coring out of th€ alley. I nean,
it s not .eal bad now I have even seen 1t a Iot
worse. B!t will that degenerat€ that quicker?
R. CR0SS: I can talk to the engineer
about seeing what they can do to mai.tain it but I
nean if yo! generate nore traffic, you'ro goinq to
h.ve nore wear and tear.
fS 1€RRILLT That s actually kind of
why we prohibit se{is on those alleys.
IS. CARDENAS: 0k6y No. I understand.
fS TERRILL: 0kay But trucks in
general , you know. that s - the weight of the
vehicres is what c6uses thos€ ruts and thinos.
dS. CARoENASi l,lel I I mean he Lsual ly
p.inarily goes out one. I frean. it was just why he
goes out of one. b(t I onderstand exactly rhat
you'ire saying I will talk to him about it tonj9ht
as sell and let hin know Because Iike I said it s
trucks 9o dow..
qot d bus and everythjnq else that aoes down
welt on a. you knos. pretty rsgular basis
mean. obviously 9arbage
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especially at school time, you
picking up children as well.
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alley instead in the front,
IR. NALONEY] In nosi cases, we Pull
in into our - into our first parking lot ard then
we go out - we tust go out behind our building
S. CARDENAS: There s no turn around
area in the lot
flS. C0liHIG: So we re back to the issue
of whether or not to recommend a conditional use
permit, and if so. what conditions do vod want to
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move
w€ recomnend aDp.oval of
to establish a corditional !se pernit for
pri vate accessory parki rg on the propertv comnonl v
known as 1413 So!th Third with the condition that
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the bui ldi nq revi ew i ncl ude decorati ve fenci ng at
reast on the south side of the propertv and sone
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Seco nd
lS. Col,lNiGr Hotion by iss Terrill.
seconded by f. Ro.em to recommend approval of the
requested conditioral use permit with the condition
that it neet all the standard requirements for a
parki n9 I ot and al so decorat'i ve fenci ng al org the
south side of the property.
Any further discussion?
l{ould you call the roll, please.
HR CRoSS I wirl. Edwin Eckhardt,
R. ECKHARDT I Yes.
flR. CR0SS i Carore Franke.
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R. CR0SST fa.sha Lloyd.
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hS. Col"lHIG i Yes
rlR. CR0SS otion carries.
wrll -- hc.r in mind this will
first meetrng oJ the city co!ncil which
September 6th I believe afte. Labor Day.
Now that said. we re at the tricky one
where it s a pretty short time after this meeti.g.
but the othe. meetrng in -- the secord neeting of
the month is o!tside the 30-day window.
If it does go to the council. which jt
will. they may not act on it that night. I nean.
yoL have 2 right -- I would stilr .ecommend coning,
bLt they may sinply pLt it on first reading if they
don t have nrnutes or 2nything available at that
tine okay. So just want to make you aware of rt
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MR CRoSST And I ll k.or nore when that
if I do --.n..,art2in that
time comes because if
we re not goinq to have that lhen I could jLSt
request that we a!tomatically put it on first
readinq and then j!st do the first reading for yo!
eithe. way, it s going to be on the
colrcil meeting on the 6th And we ll 9o fro
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