Hazelwood Voices Full Book

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VOICES
CROSSING FENCES
Connecting African American men and boys
through the oral tradition
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Copyright © 2012 by SLB Radio Productions, Inc.
Crossing Fences is a project of SLB Radio Productions, Inc.
Hazelwood Voices is based on interviews collected by students
at Center of Life.
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VOICES
CROSSING FENCES
Connecting African American men and boys
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Table of Contents
Foreword
Chris Dotson, Sr.
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Interview by Adam Keene
Track 1
Neil Martin
Interview by Shyheim Banks, Christopher Dotson, Jr., Bryan Eberhardt & Adam Keene
Track 2
Duane Rentas Interview by Shyheim Banks & Rashaud Foster
Track 3
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Keith Robinson
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Dr. Rodney Hopson
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Homer Craig
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Alfredo Russell
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Rev. Michael Murray
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Darnell Campbell
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Maurice Coles
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Pastor Tim Smith
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Acknowledgements
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Phone interview by Trevon Moore & Rahmod Robinson
Track 4
Interview by Adam Keene, Bryan Eberhardt & Chris Hopson, Jr.
Track 5
Interview by Shyheim Banks, Rashaud Foster & Israel Higgins
Track 6
Interview by Adam Keene
Track 7
Phone interview by Israel Higgins & Floyd Nichols
Track 8
Interview by Wesley Smith & Floyd Nichols
Track 9
Interview by Hasson Jackson & Sterling Jones
Track 10
Interview by Wesley Smith, Israel Higgins, Shyheim Banks & Adam Keene
Track 11
Foreword
Crossing Fences is a community program based on a
simple, age-old process ‒ people learning from one
another through the oral tradition. There are stories,
insights, perspectives and facts within all of us. And,
all too often, we take little time to share them.
In Summer 2012, SLB Radio Productions, Inc. (SLB),
in partnership with Center of Life, convened a group
of students at Keystone Church of Hazelwood.
While learning about digital audio recording, the
group also spent time discussing attributes of male
role models and identifying African American men
with a connection to Hazelwood to be interviewed.
With support as needed, students then arranged,
conducted and edited the interviews presented in
this book and CD. Each student received a netbook
computer as a reward for the hard work involved in
giving voice to others.
Additional audio and photos are available at
www.neighborhoodvoices.org/crossingfences.
Special thanks to Pastor Tim Smith, Terry Levels,
Adam Keene and everyone at Center of Life.
For additional copies of this book, other neighborhood
oral history publications, or information about conducting
a project in your own community, contact SLB Radio
Productions, Inc. at [email protected] or 412.586.6300.
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It was a pleasure to interview him.
He is a guy with a ton of energy. He is
very passionate about being a father, very
passionate about being a husband - and
not just any husband, not just any father but a great one.
- Adam Keene, age 23
Chris Dotson, Sr.
Born 1970 - Cheney Grad, Passionate Dad
Interview by Adam Keene
Excerpts from Track 1
Cheney University saved my life. When I graduated
from high school that summer, crack was heavy. I
was only home that summer. I left in the middle
of August to start school. Every time I would come
home, either one of my friends was killed, they didn’t
get along with each other, or was in jail. So I know I
would have been out there in that.
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There was a man named Booker Reeves who actually
helped me get into school. He was telling us about
Cheney. I had thought about college, but I had no
money for college…my mom didn’t have any money
for college. He talked to us like we could do it…you
can go to a four year university. I signed up…they
accepted me, had some money ready to go. Sometimes
I think where would I be if I didn’t go?
When [my son] was first born… from the crease of
my elbow to the beginning of my wrist on my hand,
in between that area, he could fit, right between
there. And I would hold him right there. And I was
like, “Wow, somebody I never met in my life could
change my life in such a way that it could make me
a better person.” I don’t know this dude, I knew my
family for my whole life, but this little dude right
here changed me. I’m not in it for myself anymore. I
have people depending upon me.
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I always thought back on some of the things that my
father had instilled in us, as far as working hard and
being able to work on houses. When he passed, he
had all these tools and trucks sitting around, and a
lot of the things I learned from him, I started applying to neighbors and friends, whereas a lot of my
friends, they didn’t have that.
The right thing came out of it, being responsible came
out of it. I’m a licensed contractor…I always wanted
to start my own business. That was always a dream
of mine. I’ve been doing this type of work for a long
time. I really enjoy it and I’m really enjoying the aspect
of teaching others how to do it now.
Neil Martin
Born 1966 - Inspiring Entrepreneur
Interview by Shyheim Banks, Christopher Dotson, Jr.,
Bryan Eberhardt & Adam Keene
Excerpts from Track 2
It doesn’t matter what you go through, it doesn’t
matter what type of struggle you have in your life, as
long as in the end there is a win.
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I look at this community, I look at all the positive things
that are going on now. This community has so much
potential. There’s endless possibilities of success for the
next generations.
If you have a business idea…put it on paper and then
research everything about it. The biggest fear about
starting a business is the unknown. But it cannot
progress unless you go through that fear. We have to
execute our ideas and in the end, even if you fail, the
experience that you gain out of your failure is great.
So the next time around, you’re not going to make
the same mistakes that caused you to fail. Business,
life, everything comes together. If you enjoy what
you’re doing, and you learn it, and you become good
at it, a lot of greatness is going to come out of it.
The one that really inspired me was
“Get to it, through it, and do it.”
I will be tweeting that soon!
– Shyheim Banks, age 15
His mother had twelve boys and twelve girls!
-Bryan Eberhardt, age 12
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You guys are the next Obamas, you guys are the next
world leaders, you guys are the next astronauts,
doctors, philosophers. So then, I invest in that which
is going to be our future.
We also have to be able to become entrepreneurs.
How many times you hear people say there ain’t no
jobs? Well, create one. You’re a genius. Manifest that
so that you can provide jobs for others. You don’t
have to cry for others to do for you what you can
naturally do yourself. What’s your gift? You got
one…find it and sell it. Be it t-shirts, be it your gift
of words, be it your gift of lyric…we don’t have to
lose our mind and stay in a depressed state because
nobody will employ us.
Whatever it is that you want to do, you can do it.
Everything that you see is the manifestation of
somebody’s dream. Nothing is not obtainable.
The world is yours.
Duane Rentas
Born 1963 - Motivational Leader
Interview by Shyheim Banks & Rashaud Foster
Excerpts from Track 3
Wherever I’m going to go, I’m going to be dealing
with the youth inside of the urban communities. It’s
all about each one, teach one, and it’s all about being able
to guide and give some leadership to young brothers
and sisters from mistakes that we’ve seen that we’ve
gone through in life. There’s just certain things that
come with age.
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His life story touched me and I think he
should keep on inspiring other people.
– Rashaud Foster, age 16
He should be a motivational speaker.
Everything he said was words of wisdom.
– Shyheim Banks, age 15
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Keith Robinson
Born 1962 - Carpenter, Counselor, Dad
Phone interview by Trevon Moore & Rahmod Robinson
Excerpts from Track 4
He told me that if you hang out with
negative people, negative things will
happen and if you hang out with positive
people, positive things will happen.
– Trevon Moore, age 13
My favorite part was when he told me he
used to live next to Rodney King.
– Rahmod Robinson, age 13
I come from a family of sixteen. Ten boys and six girls.
The first five or six of my brothers, they all worked
hard, really hard, in the steel mill. I grew up in that
era where the steel mill was the community. Everybody worked in the steel mill. My father told me…
go be a carpenter and see how it is. So I went in the
military and I became a carpenter.
My dad was a crane operator in the steel mill. My
mother never worked. I have to give you guys respect,
because a lot of you guys are growing up in single
parent families. We didn’t do that. I knew everybody
in my community at that time. I knew their moms and
dads. Their moms and dads were there.
I’m a man that raised my last two kids… on my own.
[It was] very hard, because my kids had become
latchkey kids. They were going to elementary school.
I had to be to work at six… So I left at 5:30 to get to
my job and when I got in… I had to make the phone
call home [to tell] my kids what to do…And I did
that for five years.
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I’m happily married, I love my wife. Make sure you
find a girlfriend that’s a friend…‘cause if you got a
girlfriend that’s a friend, she’s gonna be in your corner regardless. She’s gonna know your struggles.
My twin brother spent 11 years in prison. Every time
he went there he ran into probably half the kids that
I counseled at Allegheny Academy. Don’t end up
there.
You’ve got to live by example. If you keep a lot of
positive people in your life, you’ll go far. That’s
something I’ve always told my kids. Stay with the
negatives, you’re going to get negative out of it. Stay
with positive people, you get positive out of it.
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As teachers, principals and school leaders, I need
my students to be engaged in communities because
there are kids they might teach [there]. How are they
going to say, ”I’ve got kids from Hazelwood but I’ve
never been there?” I’m trying to get my students to
engage with communities that they hear about, and
sometimes don’t know, but will find themselves
working in.
Dr. Rodney Hopson
Born 1965 - Professor, Social Justice Advocate
Interview by Adam Keene, Bryan Eberhardt & Chris Hopson, Jr.
Excerpts from Track 5
I’m a professor at Duquesne University. I take my
classes to Wilkinsburg and Hazelwood to do things
here for the community. They hear about neighborhoods like Hazelwood and Wilkinsburg, but they
don’t come to get their groceries from here or buy
anything from here. They’re usually told this is a
dangerous place. Some of them have even told me
that their parents say we shouldn’t be in Hazelwood.
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A question in the New Testament is, “What
good can come out of Nazareth?” If somebody
said,
“What
good
can
come
out
of
Hazelwood?” what would you say? If you think
something like recycling can come out of Hazelwood,
or the next leader of Alcoa, or the next President of
the United States, or the next ball player...if you think
like that, if you can imagine that, then that’s what
good should be coming out of Hazelwood. You gotta
recognize that something good’s got to come out of
not just the place I live, but who I am.
He is someone who cares – cares about
the community, cares about social justice,
cares about his students, and cares about
exposing and informing his students
to different environments.
– Adam Keene, age 23
I really enjoyed interviewing him. I learned
a lot… and it was really interesting.
– Chris Dotson, Jr., age 11
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He told us that to be better males in the
community, you have to find yourself
- you have to research where you came
from and never give up.
– Rashaud Foster, age 16
He’s been through a lot. He joined the
army, he’s been to other countries, he
learned German, he did a lot of things.
– Shyheim Banks, age 15
pleasant thing. But that’s the way life was then, and
you strove to work your way out of that.
Homer Craig
My ideal for a good community is harmony...
When I was growing up, our schools were in our
neighborhood, our teachers knew us as
individuals, not just numbers, and our parents and
neighbors knew us...if you messed up, not only
would your parents discipline you when they found
out, but any neighbor, any teacher could do the same
thing. But it wasn’t something that was misused
or cruelty, it was done with love and kindness and
toward the target of making a better person.
In certain aspects the old days were much better, but
you can’t go back. You have to move forward in life.
There were drawbacks in the old days...For one thing,
even though Hazelwood was a unique community, racism was a problem. Being shut out of jobs just
for your skin color, being shut out of educational
opportunities just for your skin color, that wasn’t a
Everybody should define themselves. You can call
me any name you want to, but I know who I am and
I define who I am, and I tell you who I am. I tell you
that by saying words, but also I tell you who I am by
the way I carry myself. If I allow myself to descend
to a certain level, then that’s who I am. But if I’m
always striving to go higher...then that’s defining,
too. Be the person you want to be, even if you aren’t
now, strive towards it.
Born 1939 - Veteran, Police Sergeant
Interview by Shyheim Banks, Rashaud Foster & Israel Higgins
Excerpts from Track 6
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for three, four years and I got a job on a sightseeing boat taking passengers from Nassau to
Paradise Island. This man and his wife...they
said, “You know, me and my husband, we was
talking about you and we like you. And we was
wondering would you like to go to United States to
be our chauffeur and butler?”
And I said, “Okay, fine.” So I came to the United
States, to Fort Lauderdale. In 1976, a lady called and
said “How would you like to go to Pittsburgh?” [and I
said] “Who, me? I don’t know nothing about Pittsburgh.”
And she said, “They will take care of you.” So, after
a while, I agree.
Alfredo Russell
Born 1939 - Renowned Chef
Interview by Adam Keene
Excerpts from Track 7
I was born in The Bahamas, in a place called
Mastic Point, Andros, a small community where
everybody knows everybody. We did good, we
never want for anything, [but] I had a different
vision at that age. It just seemed that island was
too small for me. I left Andros when I was fourteen years old and I went to Nassau. I stayed
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I set my goals in Pittsburgh: I want to own my own
place, I want to be in the newspaper, I want to be on
TV, and I want to be a caterer. And I achieve them
all, achieve all the goals ‘cause I find the way I fit
in Pittsburgh and I never look behind. So Pittsburgh
was good for me, all the way around.
I wanted to retire, get out of the food business, but
something keeps telling me “no, you ain’t over yet”. I’m
heading to Hazelwood...I attend church in Hazelwood.
My goal in Hazelwood is to teach the young brothers
and sisters the art of cooking, because I see it’s a
need...I don’t want to go to a place where you’re not
needed, I wanna go to a place where you’re needed,
because if you’re needed, I believe you’ll be successful.
He is a guy who has a rich river of
experiences running through his life. He’s
courageous, that’s what comes to mind.
- Adam Keene, age 23
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I have taken home several blessings and I
hope that our future listeners will also.
– Israel Higgins, age 16
He shared a great experience with me,
told me a lot of things that I’ve never
known before.
– Floyd Nichols, age 15
that I’m supposed to treat my neighbor as myself. As
I continued getting older...I wanted to know [these
things] on a more serious level. I never pursued the
calling of pastoring but...it seems like I was headed
that way and didn’t even know it.
Rev. Michael Murray
Born 1954 - Helps Repair Pipes, People
Phone interview by Israel Higgins & Floyd Nichols
Excerpts from Track 8
My parents were church related people. They
believed in serving God, so they brought me up doing
the same. So I attended Sunday school. I was doing
that at a very early age, 8, 9 years old, and I continued
doing that for years, finally beginning to get my own
personal interest in who God is, what does it mean for
God to say that He loves me, and what does it mean
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I am employed by the Pittsburgh Water &
Sewer Authority [as a] pipeline repair specialist.
The church I pastor is in McKees Rocks. What I’m
responsible to do in some areas as [pipeline] repair,
I am responsible for in the clergical area. People’s
lives are broken, they need repair. And [just as in
water] purity...God’s given me the opportunity to
help people realize that the purer lifestyle we live,
the more moral lifestyle we live, the better it will be.
There is a value system that needs to be lived in life.
Number 1, it can be lived -- it’s possible. Number 2...I
believe it can’t be done without living a God-fearing
lifestyle. If you,...and any friends you know by living
it yourself, will share and live those principles of law,
you’ll be as successful as I am if not better.
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isolating myself, me and a couple friends, and now
I’m in college and doing what I have to do.
I was definitely a fighter. I didn’t care who it was.
I got kicked out of several schools for fighting
teachers. I always got my work done, but after I got
my work done I felt as though I could do whatever I
please.
High school, ninth grade: girls. That’s all I hung
around. It was like me, one of my closest friends, and
girls. Girls really don’t like prison...that kept me focused.
I would say my mother, too. My mother is definitely
a strong-willed woman.
Darnell Campbell
Born 1989 - College Student
Interview by Wesley Smith & Floyd Nichols
Excerpts from Track 9
When I was younger there was more positivity in
the neighborhood...more activity for youth, there
was the Y programs and the football organizations.
Then [in my] teenage years, it became drug infested
or gang infested...I lost a lot of friends either to jail
or they passed away from doing things they weren’t
supposed to do. I basically branched out on my own,
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I never had a dad. When I was 10 he was
murdered somehow, but he was never around
so it really didn’t bother me. But it bothered
me at some point, I guess you can say, because
everyone wants a father figure around. My mom,
being so strong showed me that, if she can overcome
everything that she overcame, then I can definitely
do things right for my mother. I can definitely change
my ways for her and give her a better life.
You have to stay dedicated, determined and be
disciplined at all times, for whatever it is you’re doing.
That’s the best way of achieving your goals.
It was a rough road for him. In high school
he worked on his attitude and he became
a better person.
– Floyd Nichols, age 15
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They took the time out to show me and to give me
love, structure, discipline -- that felt good. When I
became an adult, I already knew that was something
I was going to be doing. I think it’s only right when
you become an adult if you have any free time, give
the kids some of your free time.
When parents get involved, I believe programs run
better because there’s nothing like seeing your parents
sit there to see you play. Because kids want somebody to cheer for them, too. If you gotta work, that’s
one thing, but if you’re just sitting home on the couch,
that’s not gonna work.
Maurice Coles
Born 1970 - Coach, Mentor
Interview by Hasson Jackson & Sterling Jones
Excerpts from Track 10
There’s nothing like being able to uplift some
children, because when I was a kid I didn’t have a
mother or a father. I was raised by my grandmother.
So the people at the YMCA, they took time out to
be bothered with kids like me and other kids in the
neighborhood, to make something for us to do. They
gave to me so I feel like it’s my obligation to give back.
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Hazelwood is nothing compared to the way it used to
be. You wasn’t even allowed out here unless you was
coming out with somebody that had some pull. Now,
it’s a whole lot better...because I’ve seen the bad part
and to see it come back around and to try to be part of the
solution…that’s very gratifying. And it’s good to see
because, y’all kids deserve a chance. Right now, it’s a
beautiful time in Hazelwood and I can definitely see
that it’s gonna get a whole lot better.
He’s a role model because he does
a lot of stuff to help his community.
– Sterling Jones, age 13
He inspires me because he’s like that
ten-minute father figure who will get on
you about going to school and learning and
reading and all that cool stuff.
– Hasson Jackson, age 13
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We basically got a whole new side of
Pastor Tim. All we knew was the cool
Pastor Tim. We didn’t know the
sensitive or wise Pastor Tim.
- Shyheim Banks, age 15
I am highly grateful that
he did the interview.
- Wesley Smith, age 16
The people in Hazelwood ‒ it’s just proof that you
can’t judge a book by its cover. The things I heard
about Hazelwood was not what I experienced when
I started building relationships with people. When
I started building relationships with folks, I fell in
love with...the people of this community...so much
so, when I got married, my wife and I moved here.
Pastor Tim Smith
Born 1959 - Community Pillar, Spiritual Leader
Interview by Wesley Smith, Israel Higgins, Shyheim Banks
& Adam Keene
Excerpts from Track 11
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The church had a huge influence on me...I’d say
more my dad than the church, because my father
was a person who was on the ground; he was a foot
soldier. He believed in touching people’s lives. He
wasn’t stuck in the pulpit or stuck in his office. He
was among people and you would never know he
was a pastor if you didn’t know.
My father taught me how to live and he taught me how
to die. He basically told the doctor, “Look, I don’t want
you to give me anything else, no more operations, no
more procedures, just give me something so I don’t feel
the pain.” And I was so proud of him, because that was
his decision. He didn’t want to be on life support...he
just wanted to go when it was time to go.
Keep track...of the stuff of your life, the things that
you love, the things around you, because things do
change over time. I say you get one day. All you
have is today; yesterday’s gone and there’s no such
thing as tomorrow, unless it comes...experience this
day, because you will never see it again.
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Acknowledgements
This project was made possible by the African American Men and
Boys Initiative of The Heinz Endowments with support from:
and from the New Pittsburgh Courier, Kidsburgh and Spark,
a program of The Sprout Fund.
The opinions expressed herein are solely those of the individuals
represented and do not necessarily reflect those of The Heinz
Endowments, Center of Life, or any other collaborating
organization.
Track Listing
1. Chris Dotson, Sr.
2. Neil Martin
3. Duane Rentas
4. Keith Robinson
5. Dr. Rodney Hopson
6. Homer Craig
7. Alfredo Russell
8. Rev. Michael Murray
9. Darnell Campbell
10. Maurice Coles
11. Pastor Tim Smith
Youth Reflections appear on tracks 12 - 22
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