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Planning ornmissron Niee
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Tuesday July
fall fio order
Planning
hairrnan
Borgenfrel
called to artier the
Regular rraeetir
g
commission held in the council chamber at 7GD Mattie
Beachr
CA 9449 at G
ap
m
Pledge
of allegiance
Roil fall
chairman
Present
orgenfre
chairman John
led the
Pledge
Raad
of the
Pisma
of Allegiance
orgenfrei
Mice chairman Mark Burnes
Commissioner Deanna
Miranda
c
issioner Bradford Anderson
rr
Con
Commissioner Edward
wage
omrnlssloner Comments
Vice Chairman Burnes said
this
operation
comfort
was
coming
back
Last year
Rodney would
special
brought Iraqi
a would be functioning as the Executive Director
r
part of it and Scott Dra
le said this year
l
event
had
been brought together very quickly sa the site and
s
last year Pram this point he thought this
scope would probably be the same a
event would grow They were coming to town ors a great weekend just after
summer when the v
reather was still nice The date was September 2 07
event
veterans to Pismo Beach to surf
stilC be
The veterans vuould be here for
of the
eaVenture
as
eaVenture and had
participated They
staff
was
already
Present
5g volunteers
becoming
service to these
entire week
men
an
and
He said it
annual event for the
women
ornmunity Developr
ent
Manager Carolyn Johnson
The event would be held in front
last year
The veterans would be staying at the
booked their rooms Last year
men and women
had close to
he looked forward to it
community
it
an
who
was
City
serve our
Director
great
and
event and
an
excellent
county
Randy Bloom Planning
stant Planner Michael Craver and Minutes clerk
Ass
Claudia Hartman
Acceptance of Agenda
Vice
e moved
aa
Ul
Commisivner
Chairman
presented
approved by voice vote 5
a
as
Public comments
Burnes seconded
the
to
accept
motion
the
Agenda
The motion
City of Pismo
Beach
Panning Commission Minutes
uesday July 10 20a
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Effie McDermott
Planning
rard to
for
Commission and the
event that
Park
cane
She said she vented to
speak
public
infarmatian about
give the
upcoming fundraising
an
far the friends of Price House and Price Historical
they
having
providing the information
rere
Before
ation about the location
infarn
the
on
she v
ranted to
fundraiser
Back rhen this land
eras
all
orned
provide
by the
missions Miguel Avila got a land grant called the San Miguelita Land Crant The
land grant included Avila v
here the harbor and the orchards had been and sane
land in
a
valley
behind the Pismo Beach Hi
Is She said
Miguel Avila eras kind of
neighbors In 8 John Price
grumpy guy and did not get slang Drell vuith his
roved into Pismo In the 870s he bought part of the San Miuelito Rancho and
a
rn a
part of ghat is nor knav
Avila
John
Price
d
so
Miguel
and his
sans
Shel Beach up to Cave Landing from the heirs of
same of the land back behind the hills to his sans
said this land to Bernardo Miassi
rho
gas a
dairyman
ith
v
a
dairy
and creamery in Pin
o Beach The Miossi family had this land for rears The
land vuas nave a
rned by the Teixeira far
ily She said they had a unique
opporfiunity
opportunity
and
to have
to
see
chocolate
Historic
Price
a
fundraiser out there
the hidden
valley
This fundraiser
This fundraiser gill
and the ranch and
vuas
give
little
everyone the
vainer cheese
for the benefit of the restoration of the
everyone to came out on
2Da7 from 0 m
5 p
m to Thousand Hills Ranch
p to 0
Saturday July
The directions were as follov
s
Ca
miles east on Price Canyon Raad from
Anniversary
House
enjoy
a
Hvvy g into the big curve in the
through the gaffe and continue far
road
invited
Look far
a
big gate
on
the lef
miles to Thousand Hills Ranch
This is rhere the eventvtirill be held
barn
vwas
She
The
price
is
Drive
Lank forthe
50 per ticket
Everyone
invited
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t
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Vice chairman Burnes
Page
Paragraph
7
requested
Change
Page 9 Parawrte Change
Commissioner Cox Miranda
Page
and
Paragraph
G
the
ring changes
ov
fol
name
the ward
Emery to
onerous
requested the
Change
5 Addie Street
the
rick
Er
to
rin
lav
fo
anus
change
and location 5 to read and locations at
rsrr Beach
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City of
Planning Commission Minutes
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ioner fox Miranda moved to approve the June 2 200T Minutes as
Comrni
corrected
dice Chairman Burnes seconded the motion
The motion u
as
approved by
voice vote
Public Hearing
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nco Ap
licant Project hio OT
A continued Public Hearing for revie
v of a Developr
ent Permit for proposed
nnw
i
changes to the exterior of
an
the addition of siding
i
irrg
exi
rock and
a
i
meta root
ent
alignr
i
w
wrw
forrr Perko
erly
s that
Thy proposal gill also
restaurant
increase the height of the restaurant from
altering the parking space
w
ft
to include
in to 4 ft
RV
parking
located in the General Commercial ACC done of the
include
rve to
in addition to
The
Pismo Marsh
project is
Planning
Area
Chairman
orgenfrei
question
to rhether
as
said this
a
project
had been continued because there
gas a
Conditional Use Perrr
it rould be needed for the meta
roof
Planning Manager
for
a
metal roof
Johnson said the
was
only applicable
requirement
for
in the dovtirntor
rn
a
Conditional Use Permit
It v
ould not
apply
to this
project
Chairman
Art
rgenfrei opened
the
public hearing
rard to speak
He said he v
rrote the
Anthony Coral Court came foru
Commissioners
a
note
last
veek
on
the
of
the
accessible
Planning
subject
lot
of
this
far
disabled
rith the state
in
the
persons v
parking
parking
project
He
said
rhen
he
e
becar
one
of
those
about
tiro
years ago he
placard
people
stared paying af
ention to the number of disabled parking spaces available at the
restaurants he frequented
There uvere not nearly enough disabled parking
spaces in the freestanding restaurants along Five Cities Drive pith the exception
of the parking lot on this project
The previous restaurant Perko
s had 5
disabled parking spaces Coco
s had
had
and
allarka Mexican
s
Danny
Restaurant had
He said there v
ere a lot of older people Frith the blue disabled
dome came from the
these
Pismo
Beach restaurants
placards frequenting
there rere never enough
ere visitors and
surrounding cities and many v
accessible handicapped parking spaces for them He said the staff report stated
there sere
s parking lot There v
ere
handicapped spaces in the old Perko
5
This
should
be
the
absolute
minimum
for
this
really spaces
required
project
rou be
v
He eras glad to see that the restaurant gas being rehabilitated and he d
ras a vait at the other
delighted rhen the restaurant opened because there v
lot
s
Coco
restaurants He added the parking
at
eras too small
oBeach
it Pisrr
vf
rnissian Minutes
Planning an
Tuesday July 1 D 2Da7
Page
an
hair
orgenfrei
closed the
public hearing
missioner o Miranda said she r
orr
nted to thank the staff for doub
e
checking
on
confused buff
the
Use Permit for the mete roof
onditiona
r
nav
it eras
the
as a
u
bit
a068 appraving
Q
fihe
clear
ioe chairman Burney moved to
l
utian Ala
eso
adopt
Development permit
ommisioner oasked
nder
A
if he could pace
question to staff before the
He said Mr Anthony indicated during his comments that there rere
second
spaces in this project He asked if 3 handicapped parking
the current taunt and if this Wombat vas irr
pacted by the alteration
handicapped parking
eras
spaces
of the parking space
alignment
Planning Manager
Johnson said
to include the RII
they
parking
vould be
adding
this to
bring
it up to
that the old
s
Parka
three
omrniioner Anderson
parking
lot had
disabled
said
parking
Planning ManagerJohnon
Mr
Anfihon
said
Ilr
Anthony
indicated
spaces
they had
said he taunted them
a
conflict
yesterday
iioner Anderson said he just v
ornr
ranted to
disabled
parking
clarify
the current taunt for the
spaces
anted to require
Planning Manager Johnson said if the Planning ammissian v
The project eras overparked
5 disabled parking spaces they could require
man
hair
argenfrei
asked what
as required
Bloorri said
v
la
Building bode
determined the number of handicapped stalls based on sq footage
The
if
the
Commission
could
additional
parking
Planning
require
handicapped spaces
y Development
ommuni
Director
by
the Uniform
lot had the extra space
chairman
Borgenfrei said
s staff could inform the
to resolve th
restaurant did have
applicant that the
handicapped parking spaces The applicant
previous
might consider maintaining that number in
s end used those spaces
frequented Perko
be called Huckleberry
s
order to retain the customers
He said the restaurant
vas
rho
going
to
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o Beach
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Mice chairman Burnes said if there
to
the motion to
amending
stipulate
eras a consensus
thatthe
he vtirauld not be
handicapped parking
Commissioner Anderson said he did not avant to
opposed
stalls romain
plan to alter the
ng space alignment
park
parking
suggested giving staff in the
matian the discretion to determine hair to preserve the
disabled parking
He
said
it
a
of
the
spaces
night require
ent
ignrr
rea
handicapped spaces to
best accommodate the other parking needs as yell
to include Rv
impact
the
He
of
Bxhibit
Resolution lVa
Planning a
Niar
e
r Johnson referenced Page
A
Bhe
this
B Paragraph fo
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read The Planning
ving
lo
suggested
Commission does hereby approve a change in exterior ial
ate of the existing
n
n the raterrtr
arr o
restaurant and parking spaces from standard to RV irrclud
k
a
i
Added
in
capped
har
pace
language
italic
Chairman
orgenfrei
said he
vvas
comfortable with this
The
project
had
plenty
of parking
Mice chairman Burnes amended his motion to include that the
pith
staff to
aintain the
rr
handicapped parking
spaces
applicant
on
uvork
site to staff
s
satisfaction
missionerAnderson seconded the motion
Cor
The motion
vvas
Chairman
argenfrei
approved by
rail call vote
Yes
Mice Chairman Burnes
Yes
CommissionerAndersan
Yes
Commissioner Cox tl
iranda
Yes
laage
Commissionerl
Yes
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Permit
retail
tine extension far
a
and Tentative Tract Ma
area
ncludin
including
public
s
nager
rr
Coastal Develo ment Permit
for
a
restroor
Mixed Use
and
upper
unit located adjacent to Cypress
erov Avenue
and Por
The site is lacated in the
Conditional
ect with S 0
ra
1
level
s
residential
Use
ft of
units
Hind
n
v
befi
treet
i
done
ercial Reta
n
Cor
vithin the Central Commercial district
Chairman
extension
re
orgen
said
the
resolution
rouid
approve
a
year
time
pity of
o Beach
Pisrr
rnissicn Minutes
Planning or
Tuesday July 0 SOOT
Page
rty Development Director BEoom said the main reason fcrthe request
cornmun
was that the Benson farr
ily end the pity have been reviewing various parking
that
would
allow
far subterranean parl
options
rng This revie had extended the
normal development processF
He said typically far tine extensions the rr
ain
issue far the Planning
arnrnissian was rhether there had been substantial
changes in the genera Plan and theZoning ordinance since the time of
approval
dice chairman Burney said it
Act the
Map
applicant
was
his
that per the subdivision
extension and the Planning
understanding
had the
right to a year
right to deny it He said he
mision He asked
Planning on
ommissian did not have the
request
came
before the
was
not
if rt was
rhy this
formality
sure
a
ommuni Development Director Bloom said it had to be a formal resolution
but the
ubdivisian Map Act did state that the applicant had this right f there
had been a substantial change in the general Plan or 2aning ordinance the
rsion could turn dav
rn the request He said there hadn
t been
Planning Camm
Vice Dhairman Borneo asked if
to discuss vuhat
still in
ras
v
going
an
arnrnunity Development
with the
property
aom cared
director B
He asked if it
at this time
was
r
escro
ornmunity Development Director Bloom said he did
private negotiation was The City was still in discussions
designs
Mice Chairman Burnes confirmed these discussions
rere
hat the
not know v
with Mr Benson
not r
v
ith any
vn
potential
buyers
community Development Director
ornmissioner
of each item
The
spelling
Chairman
on
llsaid
aage
the agenda
of role should
he noticed
came
was
correct
misspelling in the Resolution language
The language read bY the fallowing role call vats
be changed to roEl in each resolution
Borgenfrei opened
Mary Rayrnos
Bioorr said this
the
forward to
a
public hearing
speak
the said she had
a
unit at rasa Bella
vuhere the
Vista She vuas naf taa sure
ras at but it did say the zone was
project v
retaii the asked the Planning ammissian why they were allowing
cammercial
residences
on
the
property
the as
Ced vuhat the
height
of the
d be
building vou
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Beach
mission Minutes
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Community Beveiopment Birector Broom said the general Plan and
use in the cammerciallretail zone
zoning ordinance allowed far mixed
ft which was allowed bythe general Plan
building height would be
Vice Cl
n Burnes asked
airr
building
would be
Birector Bloom said this
raised feature thatutirould be
111is
was
correct however there
ft
Vice Chairman Burnes said the general Plan not
encouraged
if the
ft because of the
Community Beve
opment
was a
oam
ar
u
r
nity De
eloprnent director B
ctured
strr
the
waythey
parking
the
The
only
allowed for
use
mixed
it
it
Raymos
asked if the
building
Vice Chairman Burnes said the
would be
building
stories
or
3 stories
would be about
stories
Community Bevelopment Birector Bloom eid viewing the building from
Cypress Street it was a single story that built up to stories Viev
ring the building
from the City parking lot the building was
stories
There was an
ft
difrerential in grade between the sidewalk elevation from cypress Street to the
pity parking lot A pedestrian walking down Pomeroy or Hinds toward the ocean
vuould see the building first at a single story The bu
Iding ncreased in height and
at the other end would be
stories
Cbairrnan
orgenfre said the Planning Commission was there to talk about the
request The project had already been through the process He
said the Planning Carniss
onwould be happy to answer a few questions about
the project but they were only allowed to deal with the two
year time extension
tine extension
request
IUIs
Raymos
gotten
asked if
they
had her correct address far mail
the said she had
any mail regarding projects that impacted her unit
knew where to send hergas bill and water bill
never
City
Chairman
pls
Borgenfrei asked
Raymos give
the
Ms
aymos
to
fallowing address
give
She said the
them her correct address
egg restimba
Raad Newman
A
GD
Robert
Tulare
trarnb
Street
said he knew there had been
and
design
was
in
of this
escrow or
project
not in
a
sma
P
Beach
lot of discussion
on
cane
this
protect
There had been discussions
escrow
and
people
not
having
forward to
on
speak He
parking
about the
whether the
project
any information about it
ar
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knav anything about it He said he had sent qui
ing
e a number of emails to the
the
the
City Council
Planning Department
City Manager and others asking for
information an the Resolution requesting a Iook at developing sore underground
as trying to find out rhere the City eras on this but never heard
parking He u
back Pram anyone He said Camrnunity Development Director Boom indicated
that the Bensons and the City rere in discussions about the subterranean
anted to kna
rrhere the City gas on this and hors he co
rld get
parking He v
infiormation on it He asked if there vas a gaol gay to da this
chairman
respond
orenfrei
asked
Director
Community Development
Bloom
to
to this
ammur Development Director Blov said the project as approved by the
t
Planning Commission vas still intact The Bensons the City Council and staffi
rere in negotiations atthis time but these vuere private negotiations Uvhen these
negotiations rere finished a report rould be generated and sent to the City
Council At that point itv
d be public information
rau
lr Cram confirmed
divulged
at the
Chairman
rith Chairr
v
an
carnpletian
orgenfrei
of the
orgenfrei that
private negotiations
confirmed this
information rould be made
public
lr Cram said it v
il
auld be
helpful
eras
true
once
to know that this
the information v
ould be
a
decision
eras
the
ras
v
made the
procedure
It
was
to send emails and get na responses He did get one email response
that stated that all his emai
s had gone into the trash He suggested the Planning
Commission or staff send an email response stating the City could not divulge
firustrating
the inforrr
atian atthis tine This
approach
rould clear up any
Mice hairn
en Burnes said if the discussions resulted in
a
misconceptions
rnadificatian of the
rau be a different application It vuould have to came back to
v
parking plan it d
Commission
The application rould be noticed vith public
Planning
r
v
hearings Private negotiations ith the City vas a prior step to a nevu application
befiare it became a public hearing item If it did go through the publicv
rould have
chance to have something to say about it
the
rgenfrei said
from the City even to say
Chairman
Ir Cram
I
s
there
paint
eras no
vas
news
d note tha
vau
Chairman
argenfrei
closed the
public hearing
ell taken
v
eras a
A response back
valid request and they
pity of
o Beach
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ission Minutes
Planning vmrr
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Tuesday July
Wage
oner Anderson asked staff if the
ornrnis
that
ft
height
d be al
rou
red regardless of the nature affhe
a
zone
community Development
limit far
a
structure in
of the structure
use
Director Boom confirmed that it could
ommironer Anderson said
munit
or
enfi Director
Develop
Bloom stated
the
Planning amrnissian had to approve the time extension iffihere had been no
significant changes in the general Plan He asked if this rould still apply if in
and
rereading
this
reevaluating the
it
instance
d not
rou
general
be
Plan
the
general
a
interpretation rere different
Plan change but a change
In
in
interpretation
d
orrin Development Director Bloom a
unit
the
council
for
that
be
issue
action by
to
an
pity
commissioner Anderson asked
ifi vould have to take
a
formal
remembered the ratio ofthe
rector Bloom
community Development D
commercial vs residential on this projecfi
community Development
Director Bloom said he
residential
vs
commercial
if
Thera
eras
0
5
thought
it
ft
sq
eras
of
around l
3g
and
retail
condominiums
Vice
airman Burnes moved to
Year Tine Extension for
otion The motion
rr
chairman
adopt
Project
approved by
Resolution
058
eras
og9 approving
07
e
DvrnmissionerllVaa
roll cal vote
Yes
orgenfrei
Vice chairman Burnes
Yes
issionerAnderson
omr
Yes
ammissioner fox Miranda
Yes
llaage
ommissianer
Yes
Deli court David
ohaffer Applicant Project 1Vo O
59
o
coastal Development Perrr
it and Variance request far
rhere 20 ft is
residence
required
the Teo
seconded the
far fihe construction of
a near
sq ft
4
2
l
famil
single
The project is ocafied in h
ingle Residential R 2one of the Pismo Heighfis Planning Area
Famil
on a
vacant at Frith
ft garage setback
a
a
l
4
slaps
r
Aitant Planner Gruver said the variance
request
far the
project
eras
for
a
reduced garage setback It could be approxirr
f from fihe front property
afiely
line and about
ft tram curb
Existing properties in that area had garage
setbacks that
vuas
ere
v
less fihan o ffi train
about 0 t from curb and
request
rnras
consistent
vifih
property
line
9 ft from front
ing
axis
drive rays
The
property
in that
property
line
next door
He said this
neighborhood
The
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o beach
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Tuesday July
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request
as
u
also based
front of the iot
rhere
a
the bofitom of the hill
one
slope of the lot It did have a steep slope at the
vards
ray normallyrould o The lotflattened outto
drivev
He said the applicant eras also requesting the removal of
on
the
coastal live oak tree due to the numberof oak trees
most
logical
numerous
1
location to
put
the house to
get
access
on
the site this
Without
to
having
gas
the
remove
did agree Frith the arborit
tafi
sreportfor removal ofithat tree
trees
Cvrnrnissioner
tree being
Iaage said it was a good idea to replace the
to
the
arborist
the
trees
According
might not be able to
planted on site He asked if these trees rould be planted in a public park
asked if this eras feasible and vould happen
removed pith
be
He
trees
Planning Manager
could not
put the
in the
Johnson said staff framed it in
trees
the
on
lot they
rould pay for
to relocate these trees and it
past
purchase the
trees and then choose
Commissioner
1JVaage
a
asked if there
Planning ManagerJvhnson
proved difficult
tv do
The
City rould
location fiarthem
rere
spaces in the
confirmed thatthere
Dice Chairman Burnes said the arborist
eras
vuay that if the applicant
trees The City had tried
a
reported
vas
perks to put the
trees
space
that the tree to be removed
not in the best of health
tant Planner Gruver said the arborist
s
couple
Mice
ofthe
Burnes
out of the
grov
ring
prematurely
tree
said
rhich
v
the
arborist also
sign
ryas
vtiras
split
at
a
there
reported
that the tree at
rere
some
greeds
point
could
fail
Assistant Planner Craver said this
vas
Commissioner Cox Miranda said there
to remain
the tree
of the tree
joints
Chairman
reported
on
site v
rould be
of tree diameter
protected
correct
eras a
uvith
a
the asked if the trees
condition that the trees that
protection
rere
ft for every inch
to Policy
O
and
zone
of
subject
require
rrronitoring plan to verify their protection
of
the Certified Arborist Report the referenced the
the referenced Pape
chart that documented the sizes and location of ell the trees on the properly
the asked if the applicant gas required under the General Plan to have a
management plan
rould
v
a
management plan
er Carr lirar
or
omr
da
and
a
rere
a
sale visit al 4 Dell Doi
City of
Pismo beach
ission Minutes
Planning Camn
Tuesday July D gg7
Page 11
Assistant Planner Craver said the
applicant
recommendations in the Arborist
would be
required
to follow the
These recommendations would be the
Report
mi plan far the construction development The applicant would have to
ron
igat
have the fencing distances where footings would impact the dripline of the tree
II remaining trees shall be surrounded by protection fencing at the canopy edge
J
or
ft radius for each inch of trunk diameter
consistent with the
s
Th
The
policy
applicant vtirould not be allowed to go within the
construction This technica
lywould be the management plan
sioner Ca
Cornm
c a
liran said she wanted to make
I
the referenced
9 of i
Pale
Condition
sure
dripline
this
pace
Underfloor
was
areas
for
covered
This condition
stated that the underfloor space as shown on the plans shall not be converted to
usable or liveable space uvithaut first receiving permits
the asked Assistant
PlannerCruverto
explain
this
Assistant Planner Craver said at this time that space was not conditioned
space for storage ar habitable space t was dust going to be dirt underneath that
with
stucco
walls
the outside
on
If the
applicant
wanted to convert
this
underfloor space to liveable space he would have to Dome in for a Minor
Modification Permit through the Planning Department and also for appropriate
ding Deparkmentforthat spade If the tots construction
ui
Og sg ft including garage the applicant would have to fire
4
o there would be some conditions associated with that
sprinkler the building
The Ci
has had some issues in the past where they have found on final
inspection that an applicant had converted this type of space to storage or
rith na permit The applicant could always carne back at a later
workshop space v
to
revise
those
rs condition way included to rake them aware of
day
plans Th
revisions
was
through
the
increased to
that
chairman
vrgenfrei opened
the
public hearing
Micky una carne forward to speak the said she was there on behalf of the
applicant David Schaffer Mr Schaffer was out of town with work the said Mr
Schaffer wanted to make sure the Planning Commission knew that he was more
than willing to fallow e guidelines requested forthe oaktreeand the property
Chairman
argenfrei
Commissioner
to the
moving
steep
aage
I
to
vrgenfrei
public hearing
said there
He said the
it closer The
Chairman
closed the
grounds
said he
grounds for
applicant could not
were
fora variance
was
in
were
concurrence
a
variance in this
have the
sound
with that
case
driveway
due
without
pity
of Pismo beach
e
Planning ammiian Minu
Tuesday July 10 OD7
Page 12
Vice chairman Burnes said he
agreed Frith ammissianer v
aage It eras
the
h
v
en
the typography
throughout
heights
became necessary to enjoy the same development
in the same neighborhood had
He supported the
ith Dell Court and
consistent v
started
Iit
dipping past 0
right
praperfie
variance and the project
that similar
issionerAnders said if there
Con
n
the
in
report
ar
if
the
preservation of that tree
Page 5 of 7 Policy
a
tree
Pages
presents
a
variance
He
depiction
dripline that the tree
ralk ar adjoining areas
sidev
by
the
the site
it
plan
that this true
see
rman
Dha
Borgenfrei
He
Trees
hardship
ar
one
clear hazard to the
depiction
supposedly the size of the tree It appeared
entirely on the property and net overhanging a
eras
referenced Page
The location
harmonious
of
vas
ithin the
v
5 of
a
a
He said
property
surveyor and
might
7 Policy
of the
He said there
c
be
as
a
far
little
moval of
demons severe
rably
rhich na
development for v
tree creates
configuration
is feasible
a
ere D other
r
trees
on
the
tree vou
d have to be the tree that vauld have to go for the
develop the Iot
fo be able to
sitant Planner Craver said his
one
vuas a
and asked Assistant
representation done by
actually on the site
logical
design solution
Cot and this
applicant
read
to
alternative
eras
tree
vuas
vas a
different than v
hat
one
accommodate
The Arbarist
referenced the
Assisfiant Planner Gruver said the tree
as
r
omeho
to
Report an
the tree v
rould become a hazard at some paint and
large cavity that rauld compromise the stability of
He said he did net
e
at this tirr
Planner Gruver if the
information about the
public safety
clear hazard to the
2 of 2 stated that
public safety
request
eras
he v
auld be inclined to ga alar
rith it He referenced
g v
c Removal of Tree
He read c
2 The location of
rhen it failed it vtirauld leave
ghat rer
ainsF
eras more
of the conditions under
tyDeveloprr
Comrnun
ent
c
understanding
of
Policy
CC
Removal of Trees needed to be
met
Director B
oorn confirmed that this
said
the
that
only
not all three
vas
correct
applicant project met Condition
s
ysevere hardship to lagical or harrnoniaus configuretian of the
dernonstrab
ere to try to fit a drivev
development He said if the applicant v
ay any
rhere else
d net have adequate maneuvering to get into that There
on the lot they vou
rauld also be a large land bridge going to the house and they might net have
v
roam to put a drive
l
vay that eras less than a 0
slope The removal of that one
and
tree gave them access onto the lot If they removed oak trees
they
rould be removing
trees As
rauld be offering up a building pad there but they v
v
far as a design approach it eras Logical to remove that one tree to give the
Assistant
ar Craver
P
ner
eras
pity o
Pismo Beach
Planning Commission lUlinutes
Tuesday July 0 g07
Paget 3
icant
app
access
for
a
car garage
The
applicant rould
not be able to
put
a
residence other rise
miionerAnderon said his
Con
problem ryas that he did not harm anything in
the regard that gave him a preponderance of the evidence to shou
that there eras
no apical ar harmonious configuration around this As the house uvas designed it
may not be logical or harmonious His recammendatian vauld beta redesign the
house This vuas the difficulty he uvas having on this one
Cornrnissioner
structures
Cox
indicating
Miranda
said
that there
eras
protected oak the agreed
compelling evidence because
could be a gray to protect this
eras a
she
no
also had
eras a
bit
built
un
removing
rith Commissioner Anderson that there
v
the structure
tree and
not built
eras
rhen she
surprised
and found that it included the removal of
an
policy
got
yet
vas
the
no
there
thought
protection This
of the protected vak vuas not in
the
uphold
general Plan issue the said the removal
the native and she
rith
v
prablem
a
other feasible alternative to
an
oak
into the Executive
aak tree
the had
a
urnmary
hard time
built project say that the aak tree vtiras in the gray of fihe house
seeing any un
the thought there could be measures to try to incorporate the protection of all of
the frees This vas her position an this iterrti
Chairman orenfrei said he
by
an
vas
fiable that the tree had been revier
camfa
ed
arborist and had been found to be diseased
The arborist
vuas
predicting
that the tree mould
tree the
applicant
the lat He
uvas
trees for the
eventually be Bane The pity vuas getting
There
also
g
that
u
o
uld
remain on
vuas removing
mere
trees
comfortable Frith the
Vice Chairman
Berne
moved
proposed plan
to
esalution
adapt
g approving
gg
Ql
the
vith
5 ft variance far the garage setback Cornrnisioner I
a
project
Uaage
rs
seconded the motion The motion vuas approved by roll call vote as follo
Chairman
Yes
argenfrei
Vice Chairman Burnes
Yes
CammissionerAnderson
No
erCox Iliranda
Cammissior
Na
Commissioner Vl
aage
Yes
D X40 DoIli
ver Hobert I
027
lilier Ap
licant Project No D5
Public
hearin g
Develo meat
to
consider
Conditional
a
Ilitigated
Use Permit
a
Negative
licatian
Declaration
pasta
a
archltectura reviev and
a
tentative map far the demolition of n ex
ting single avel structure and the
ft mixed
use ro
rith
541 s
ft of enera
construction of a 12 033 s
ect v
ercial
camrr
4
5
q
use
bra vacation rental
ft 4 32
sq ft of
units
public storag
45
e
and
s
f
parking
three in
vel
d
area
eleven
units
parking
City of Pismo Beach
inutes
Planning Commission hl
Tuesday July 0 00
Page
spaces and
a
lieu parking spaces
in
requestfar
The si is located in the CWT
Corrimercial Retail Zone within the Centro Commercial District
Mice Chairman Burney said
He
placed
a
document
on
moved his business into
y
Initio
he
thought
this
and emails with the
prior
to the staff
the overhead
an
repork
he needed
He said
projector
a
fey minutes
recently
he had
office space that vas rithin 5Dg ft of this project
require him to retuse himself After conversations
d
ou
City Attorney
conversations v
ith the Farr Politico Practices
Commission of the State of California
FPPC
and the
regulation displayed on
the overhead from the FPPC he d
rou not be recusing himself
v
He said he
of
the
FPPC
2
0
8
an
the
overhead
to
a
placed copy
Regulation
place a visual
record and v
rauld be reading it into the record He would also provide a copy to
Claudia l
linutes Clerk as an exhibit He said he did not have a conflict on this
because of FPPC egulatian
He read
lea property leaseholds
05
8
The financial effect of a governmental decision on the real property in rhich an
official halls a leasehold interest is presumed to be material This presumption
may be rebutted by proof that it is not reasonably foreseeable that the
governmental decision uvill have any effect on any of the following
The termination date of the
lease
The amount of rent
positively
or
paid by
negatively
The value of the lessee
s
right
the
lessee for the leased
to sublease the real
real
property
property
either
either
positively
or
negatively
The
legally
rable
allov
The
use or
enjoyment
use or
the current
of the leased real
e Chairman Burney said he had
ease
use
property by
the
lessee
or
property bythe lessee
a
Per this lease the
the
of the real
very
standard commercial
rer to
ans
each
term
short
of the items listed
property
rd not have a conflict and therefore
unequivocally no He said he d
ould be sitting on this item He asked that a copy of FPPC Regulation S
v
2
g
be displayed on the overhead for a visual retard
He said this vas directly
on
above
one
was
rnloaded from
do
California
FPPC
the
Fair Political
Practices
Commission
of the
State
of
vebsite
Manager Johnson said the application before the Planning
missian this evening vas before them as well back in February OO The
Cor
Planning Commission took action an a similar project and it vas appealed to the
City Council The City Council had a hearing on it in April X007 and provided
Planning
some
ents
n
con
Those comments
were
outlined in the staff
report
and the
City of Pismo
beach
ssion Minutes
Planning Comm
Tuesday July 1a ao
Page 15
before the Pler
mission tonight Frith sore modifications
project
ning Can
the
Council
the
members made
Counci
ber of rer
nur
arks
During
Ci
y
hearing
The Executive summary in the staff report addressed those cor
menfs that
to
staff
to
stand
out
rhen
listened
to
the
retard
of
the
appeared
they
City Council
one comment that stood out was that vacation rentals v
ere
hearing
commercial Vacation rentals v
Another comment
rere proposed in this project
lieu parking spaces The applicant
vuas that the project proposed too many ire
revised the project o reduce this to
lieu parking spaces The project design
in
had been modified in response to comments made by the pity Council The
encroachments overthe side
valk have been eliminated
retail
on
Dolliver street end
frontage along
2 end bra levels
the
of the
project
serving
visitor
There
rere
The current
and
project
had
residences
term
fang
parking spaces proposed
additional spaces covered by in
lieu fees the referenced Pa a 43
of 0 Exhibit
n the asked for correction in the charfi under of
Discusio
for
the record the did a comparison in this chart bet
reer the
perking spaces
on
site pith
February
ao approval and the current
proposal
the said she
transposed
the
IOT approval number should read 9 and the
number of spaces
The 0
Current proposal number should read
the said the Environmental Revie
r
for this
the
project
project
it out
still stood
had not
The
ould change but otherv
ise
project description v
to
have
to
notice
re
it
and send
substantially changed enough
the referenced Page 4 of D CVII Mandatary Findings of i
nificnce
the
under
the
Less
Than
rith
entry
heading
significant u
Under the first
Mitigation ncorparated should
significant mpac for this entry
Effie aperrno asked
be deleted
Planning Manager
the said there
Johnson to
repeat
gas a
Less Than
her last comment
I
repeated that an Page 4 of fig under V
the
for
the
first
under
the
entry
nificanc
i
heeding
rith Mitigation Incorporated should be deleted he
Then significant u
Less than significant Impact
farthis entry should remain
Planning Manager
lvhnon
Mandatory bindings of
Less
under
ar ohnsvn continued vuith a description of the proposed
t
Planning ager
ay
project There eras an entry lobby elevator stairs trash enclosure drivev
the
rer
ov
level
Unit
A
had
access end
an
i
4
landscaping
sq ft of
All
e
v
re
on
the
over
level
There
cammerciallretai space
parking spaces
eras one handicapped space behind the cor
mercial area The n level had one
the
Dolliver
street frontage
There vas one
residential unit Unit
facing
vacation rents that also feted the Dolliver street frontage A second vacation
rental unit v
auld have the
floor on this a level and the a floor on the 3
residential units and the 2 floor of the vacatian rental
level The 3r level had
The staff report valked through the
t mentioned in the previous sentence
un
The first carnponer
components of the project
t vas the status of vacatian
rentals
The City Council concurred that vacatian rentals vtirere comr
ercial in
City of
Pismo Beach
Planning Commission Minutes
Tuesday July a Zaa
Page t G
nature and constituted cornmercial
en
vpr
deve
The current
praject proposed
lieu
in
rhich was
lo of the parking This percentage was
5
parking spaces v
substantially different from the last proposal Bach one of those fees was worth
Oag
G
parking
of and
so
if this
project
in fee fund
lieu
approved
project was
there would be
were
The
The
of
a
aa going
a
use project with
mixd
similar scale and
a
into the
combination
design
design
larger
buildings in the area This was outlined in the staff repack with 4 pages of
photographs staff submitted that the project complied with the general Plan
and the zoning Cade and was recommending approval of the praject the said
there
uses
was a
and d
was nave
correction
At the
City
P
an
Council
a
of 0
a
meeting
to other
1lacation Rents Units
5
the discussion
ran
Bections
toward the limit of
for 9 months out of the year instead of the
months that
Section
c
shall
be
limited
to 9
Rentals
reads
proposed
day
stays
was
c
day
9
originally
far up to
Section 5
d readsf
stays
9 months per year The wards up tQ should be stricken
The owners may use and
or allow ong
term rents occupancy of their unit far up
to
months per year
The wards
months should be changed to
months
She said this covered al the corrections ar
d she
the said there
The
applicant
chairman
were
quite
a
would also be
few exhibits and
giving
said there
vrgenfrei
and forth relative to
a
were
of this
getting copies
they should clarify the City policy an
directed staff that full sized
said there
Because of this the
quite a
praject
available for
were
displayed
questions
behind her
f emai
fev
s that had gene back
farthe public to review He said
this
Director Ioo
n said back in
ty De
Cornmun
relopment
City Attorney
they
presentation
was
plans
was case
were
the
May the City Attorney
proprietary right of the architect The
law farthis and it had been around for
a
while
copies of the full size plans However
City
public hearing anyone in the general public could
come to City Hall and viev
r
the full
sized plans or the reduced plans either at the
rant taunter or in a conference room The Planning Department also scanned
the plans and pasted them on the website
The plans could be pulled from
website location and printed
when the
City
could not make
advertised
chairman
Borgenfrei
lnspectlan
at any time
a
confirmed that the full size
Cornrnunit Development
rrnan Burnes
Vice Cha
plans
were
Director Bioo
n confirrr
edthat
said he checked the scanned
available far
public
they were
plans for this praject
available on the website There were in pdf format and were crystal clear He
said there was the ability to zoom in to see details ar zoom out to expand
It was
extremely easy to read right on the computer screen He said same people
might not be clear on have pdf software worked
pity of Pismo
Beach
Planning commission Minutes
Tuesday July a 2ao
Page t
Chairman orenfrei said he
before
theygatinto
Commissioner
LLP dated July
the
thought
goad
a
idea to
clarify
that
project
Vl referenced
aage
Dg7
Revievu that the file and
it vauld be
a
letter from Jahn
Frisks
Frisks Ogden
The letter stated under the
purported changes
a days prior
not available far revie ten
adeguate Publip
heading lr
development application rere
the hearing He asked Planning
to the
to
lanaerJahnson to car
ent on this
n
Planning Manager Johnsen said she tank a look at that the said vuhen they
notice the public a pity staff person made a copy of all the mailing labels that had
been sent out The City staff person then filled out a cerkification farm that she
had indeed mailed them and this certification fora u
filed vuith everything that
a
vas sent out The noticefarthis projectv
ras mailed outon June 29 2gD uhich
eras
o days prior to the hearing There gas a certification farm on file far this
eil left the pity the pity did not have control over the time it
marling once the rr
took far the recipients to receive it They could receive it in
days or it might
take up to
Notices v
rere also printed in the ner
days
spaper and vere
on
the
site
In
Frith
v
la
the
notices
did
displayed
iance
cornp
ga out to residents
ithin egg ft of this project
v
laae asked if the materials
Commissivner
advance
Planning Manager
Johnson said the staff
available fen
rere
He said that seemed to be vuhattheyvuere
report
D days
in
saying
vuas
not available
D
days
in
advance
Chairman
Sorgenfrei
confirmed
that the
plans
ere
v
available
1a
days
in
advance
Planning Manager
advance
Johnson canfirrned that the
the said rhen
plans
person received a notice
that auld
be
available
prajectv
ring at thattime
forvie
a
Chairman
report
a
org said the Planning
nfrei
days before the hearing
aage confirmed
issionerVl
Donrn
rere on
v
on a
fi
e
g
project
the
days in
plans for
ission doesn
omr
teven have the staff
that all of the
plans
vere
available atthat time
Domrrrunity Deve
ment Director doom said prior to the use of the Internet
o
eras
that the general public could not see the staff report until the
practice
r
it The reason for this vas
Planning Commission had at least hours to reviev
that the Planning
ammission could not anger any questions from the general
the
City of
Pismo Peach
Planning Commission Ilinutes
Tuesday Ju
y 0 Og
Page t8
public
public
eras
if the
report
gas
at the
same
time
available to the
A hard
time
binders
cagy
released to the
Nov that
still
printed
end
rnisioner Cox Miranda referenced
Corr
Units
This condition
read
use
clarification
a
on
Community Develo
rnent
t
vas
ordinance
a
vacation
through
require City Attorney
and
said
it
her recollection that
they
the
49 ceanviev
vas
not
in
adopted
the
ev
sf
s of
eras
She asked
project
City Council
and the
City
different
rental
the
Zane
Director Diovm said this
4 latelll
R
atel Zone
project
vas
once
in
a
different
Vacation
Rental
that addressed the R
4 zone it rau
d make it easier far
change
a
and the vacation rental
Therefore it
Planning
iver
Dol
auld take
v
vuas
major
a
Commission to make any
The X40 Dal
iver
proposed
as a
Nfodification
project
perrnanen
corning
back
change
Comrrrissioner Cox Miranda referenced Page
Traffic
Rental
and C shall
the individual at X49 ceanvie
r
to request
in
1lacation
of D
Pale
this She said she recalled that the
fox f
nal
r
ror
r
rn
Co
er
eras
report
general public at the same
in
the Planning Commission
placed
event beck to this
Attorney
zone
Internet
genera
the staff
That future revisions of deed restrictions related
of units
Planning Commission approval She
changed that back to Planning Director in
far
the
afternoon
by Thursday or Friday
to their vacatian rental
ission and the
r
an
Commission and the
Planning
was
Planning
they
using
ere
v
of 7
0 V Trans
artatianl
She said the last sentence under
planation reed The project gill be
City parking requirements
proposed use and will not result
in inadequate parking capacity She said the applicant eras requesting
spaces
lieu
in
fees
She
asked
if
this
eras
true
ent
staterr
thraugh
consistent vith
for the
language about
lieu fees eras uritten into the Zoning Code sa the City could provide additional
in
nin parking tots She said hi
rnto
e the spaces might not be an
parking do
d
vau
be
created
rntavvn
da
rhere
same
The parking in
lieu fee eras
site they
a mechanism to make this happen
Planning Manager
Johnson said it
eras a
true sta
ent The
err
missloner Cox Miranda referenced Page 38 of D Condition g Special
Cor
vents She asked ghat the applicability of this condition eras to this project
She saki it did not make
Planning Manager
sense
Johnson
to her
said
it
included
enough
vas
a
rlerplate
ba
canditian
that
eras
She said the space in the loser level commercial area eras not large
to support any kind of special event The project would nvt qualify and
she recornrnended
striking
this candition
City of
Pismo beach
Planning Commission Minutes
Tuesday July 1g gg7
Page t
Commiszoner Ca
c Miranda
said this would
good suggestion She
referenced Page
of 7g Finding B
She asked that this finding include the
that
this
use
mixed
inium development and the
condan
was
a
unit
language
commercial portion equaled 1 condaminiun
lanaerJohnson said thatwould be correct
Planning
commissioner
aage
V
referenced
S stems
He said there
Less Than
Significant Impact
was no
chairman
orgenfrei opened
grant
check mark for
the
speak
office
in Pismo beach
He said he
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Util
Service
and
itie
probably be
He said it d
rou
v
f
there should be
a
check mark under
public hearing
6l
lettl
w
a
y Arroyo
forward to
of
Pg
Panning Manager Johnson confirmed
Less Than Significant mpact far f
Leonard
be
designed
the
architect farthe
project
project
name
with Robert Malone and his
along with the applicant
Robert Miller He passed cut two exhibits tv the Planning Commissioners one
of the pictures was a perspective drawing from the corner of Pomeroy and
Dailiver which would help show the building in perspective as it related to the
heights of the elements in the street The second picture was a collage of
architectural elements thatwere more beach
type architecture The C
ty Council
requested that they incorporate mare of this type of architecture and the bulk of
his presentation would beta show how they had achieved this A copy of the first
liver was
picture showing the perspective from the earner of Par
eroy and Do
for
ssion
Comm
and
on
the
overhead
Planning
genera public viewing
placed
was
rgrant thanked the
IU
His office
Grande
was
in attendance
accommodating them He said
there was no new information on tat
stics heights or building changes on the
were
to
drawings They
provided
help put the building in perspective on Dailiver
Council
had
He said the City
4 issues The first was a deck encroaching info the
Ca Trans right
way Cal Trans was unwilling to support this encroachment
of
This encroachment has been eliminated The project still had decks This was
accomplished by pushing the building beckon the a and r floors The decks
added to the pedestrian character
The second issue was the perking
The
te parking spaces This was a request of the
s
applicant had brought back on
r
rl
Caunc
The
issue
the rr
was
City
asing of the project The pity Council
discussed this at length
In the February g07 proposal the elevation was
stories along the entire frontage on Dailiver The applicant has reduced the sq
footage of the building and pushed the n and 3r floors back with the exception
of the
corner
Planning
tower element
Commission far
This
was
retained because
they felt
it
was a
strong
City of Pismo
Planning Commission
Tuesday July
Beach
Minutes
X007
Page 2
architectural anchor to the
the
original proposal
have
building
The fourth issue
was
the art deco
style
of
He said while the
Planning Corimission did not appear to
the City Council seemed to have a problem
issue with the
design style
articulating it at the time He said he spent time
the
and
others
and it finally Dame out that the ar deco approach
talking to
ayor
was probably one of the primary issue This was perhaps also the primary issue
for the public He said he studied the issue of vhat made beachy architecture
couple of years back when he was designing a building in Avila Beach behind the
Custom House The Avila Beach specific Plan required that architects take a
hard look at that issue because they wanted Avila Beach to be recreated in its
old eclectic style He determined that it wasn
t one specific style that was beachy
like Tuscon nor was it a style fror one specific place in the world t was more
the materials form texture and colors v
rhich gave the character of beachy
architecture whetherin CaliforniaorCape Cod orsar
ewhere in Europe He said
the picture shoving the collage of pictures represented examples of some of
these elements
dome of the arch
tecture could be described as playful or
casual
He said the beachy style architecture they were proposing included
a
with it but had
difficult time
a
white windows articulated with
copper
mullions
stucco with wood and stone
wood
light fixtures
gutters
These r
aterials lent ther
ves to
se
trellises
accents
and
casual
canvas
From
a
awnings
playful
feeling
forms standpoint they had broken the massing down which enhanced the
pedestrian scale and gage the building a friendlier feel The proposed colors
included sand tones white sea green and blue tinted glass Textures included
sand colored stucco stone good grain copper and cloth awnings He said they
felt they had made substantial changes to the building that made it more beachy
He was there to ans
ver any questions
Vine hairrnan urne
Grant for the width of the
Ulr grant said it
John
was
ric Ogden
F
s
forward to
speak
a
referenced the apron of the
vay
drive
and asked Mr
approach
0 feet
Frisks
LLP
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He said Comrnissianer
r Frick said the issue
ll
was
street
Waage
not that the notice
had
was
that his clients informed him that the documents
fan Luis
an
improper
were
Obispo
came
issue with his letter
The issue
not available
on
was
the
website until 4
OO r
p
r on Friday The posting of the documents at 400 m
p on
him
of
emails
He
in
for
a
on
was
court
most of
Friday gave
flurry
Friday night
and it was very difficult for him to review the project ors
the fcvu rr
inutes he had on Tuesday He noted there had been
Tuesday
He
said
appealed
the
project was approved by the Planning Commission and then
City Council by his clients Jim Arrrtitrang and Lynette Duston
Casa Bella Vista project an Price and Pomeroy He said M Euston
to the
bath of the
was
Monday and ire
changes
some
in attendance
They appealed along
with other members of the
public
Cifiy of Pismo
Planning Commission
Tuesday July
Beach
inufies
0D7
Pag e
uphold the appeal and sent
Planning
questioned whetherthe changes
made were adequate He said they had a problem with the rafiio of con
ercial
r
vs residenfiia in fihi
It
was
use
mixed
but
the
commerciallretail
project
projecfi
was only 5og sq ft on
ogg sq ft pra
ect Staff was trying to indicate that
this was an acceptable and approved ratio but this mix was not 5g
50 or even
including
Effie McDermott
it back to the
close to
rentals
City Council
voted fio
ission He said he
Camn
5 mix
0
were
added
ercial absent
comr
that
The
Z1
a
The commercial ratio did increase when the vacation
but
they questioned
general Plan
instead of
whefiher
vacation
rentals
were
which would have the review
amendment
infierpretafiion change by
either staff or certain
required
Council
He
said
there
seemed
to
be
some tracfiion in this
City
He reaii
edthe Planning Commission was not the City Council but he and
area
his clients were questioning whether or not a vacation rental was appropriafie
especially in the dawntQwn core This was obviously where people walked and
00 sq ft commercaa area with a
shopped and they would be looking afi a x
rve project looming above them A second issue was the o ft driveway
rnass
emptying right onto Tolliver The project was proposing 11 parking spaces The
deveLopmenfi of the neighboring property would create more spaces creating a
very busy driveway dumping right onto what was a very busy street A third
issue was the Landscaping LVluch of it was in the openings in the driveway They
questioned whether this approach was truly the intent of the City
s landscaping
lieu parking They had a problerr wifih
requirement The faurkh issue was fihe in
this because fihere was na in
ieu parking fihat was actually under construcfiicn
He reiterated That they ab
ected to the use of the downfiawn core for vacation
was
an
members of the
rentals
and
a
508
1
sq ffi commercial space in
a
sq ft
use
ixed
rr
projec
Effie t
cDerm came forward to
I
exhibits the
speak
She said she wanfied to
Corrtimissian had in their
clarifytht the
not available to the
Planning
packets were
until
00 p
m
public
Planning menfi
epar
Tuesday July 1a 200 after 1
She received clarificafiion from the Cifiy Attorney thafi he did not mean the publio
could not have copies of the exhibits It was that they could not have copies of
the ful
scale plans
She said na one was asking far copies of the fulL
scale
plans Traditionally fihey picked up 11 x 17 copies of the exhibits and suddenly
from the
these
were
nofi available and
she did not have
were
not available anti this afternoon
n opportunity to go ever them very well
voided by this error made in the Planning
She said
She felt that their
eparkment with the
public notice was
of
fihe
of
fihe
exhibits
that
were
in
the
withholding
copies
Planning Commission
packets She referenced Page 1 of fig Executive Summary She said this
representation of what the City Council said was not enfiire
y correct She
embered City Councilmer
rer
ber Ehr
ng indicated that he felt the 1lacation
Rental ordinance needed to be looked at at some paint before they wenfi into
this She referenced Page 1 of 70 She said she had stated ranytimes before
the microphone that the term vacation rental did not appear in fihe honing
City of Pismo Beech
issiorr Ilinutes
Planning Comn
07
Tuesday July
Page
ordinance
or
vuhen
made these rules that
the General Plan
lodging She said
they
applied
lodging that no one could
of
the year end could only stay over
stay for more than g days during 9 months
months of the year in zones that allov
red hotels and motels they rauld
9 days
need fio determine if these rules could apply to those hotels and motels She felt
rn hearing in front of the City Council
blo
this deserved a full
She said once
these rules v
n
dav
in
black
and
r
u
hite
for
transient
ere puff
lodging in a
d epply to the hotels and motels in Pismo Beach
hofiellmofiel zone the rules rou
She said a couple of years ago this roam was filled by people from the lodging
industry objecting fia exactly this She referenced Page 4 of 0 She said she
granted to remind the Planning Carr
missian that they were
n advisory beard to
fihe City Council
The text under the heading Vacation rentals read The
Commission
has determined She said Excuse me you merely make
Planning
recommendations fio the City Council She said fihe Planning Comr
ission knev
this and she kne
rthis They should correct the rording in the report It should
that
the
say
Planning Commission has recommended but the City Council has
not ratified that vacation rentals
said the
parking
They
This
property
said the
this
type
said
had
property
design
design
new
of
she
hoped
rere
absolutely
vas
transient
vas
to transient
miscalculated
vas
residence
The term
commercial forthe purpose of zoning She
parking spaces for each
There should be
no
grounds
to
permit
5 residential units
units under the
entitled to
Zoning
an
ordinance
this
She
very nice and she hoped that they could rork it out Frith
The pra
residential units not 5 She
ect should have only
vas
the
Commission
Planning
ould
v
allav
the
public
more
opportunity
hleen
Ce
fihe
o Beach
Pisr
f
Cronir
same concerns
expressed by
the
forward to
speck
rious speakers
pre
came
She said she also had
It seemed
strange to
The project
1 sq ft of commercial in a OOO sq ft project
only g
carYrmercial She said it should be very
s availability of retail
City
imporkant to fihe City to have more businesses in the C zone The City needed
She said by converting vacation rentals to commercial
mare nice retail places
more residential units instead of the retail
merciel
cor
they were allv
ving
C
businesses
deed
restrictions
on
residences
in
the
zone to convert
Using
also
for
1
C
zone
and
this vuas of a
them to commercial uvas
a
precedent setting
big concern to her She said she vas against deed restrictions an any vacation
rentals These deed restrictions limiting the number of days an o
rner could stay
Deed restrictions
in their o
rn property took property rights array from o
rner
ould affect property values as properties uvith deed restrictions vauld be of
v
limited interest to buyers
The last condos built in tov
ere
rhich v
rn many of v
vacation rentals v
These units sold for approximately
ere not deed restricted
ion each Not merry rho spend that kind of money far a condvn
inium
1 rnil
rould be interested in purchasing deed restricted properties She said forcing
v
rners to rent through vacation rental companies
a
vas again taking property
have
eroded the
rights
array from the
rners
av
if
a
person
rns
o
fihe
property they
should have
pity of
Pismo Beach
Planning Comrnissian Minutes
Tuesday July 0 ODD
Page 3
the
anage that property
righfi to r
She did not understand rhy they
less
gas
parking
ling
vi
They had a perking problem in Pismo Beach
rard vtirith
ving this project to go forv
o
al
vere
rner
spaces then required She said it eras obvious to herthat the o
to sign off an the deed restrictions on the two vacation rentals
because he
extra condominiums thafi rould
getting
vas
lav in the
a
red
and he
zone
vas
also Trot
required
fio
ordinarily not be
provide the necessary
parking
far to speak
She said that the previous speaker
aymos name rard
Kathleen Cronin had said it very ve
I She said that this commercial area vas
the heart of Pisrva Beach bath an Pan
rs should be
eray and an Hinds Th
Mary
business
against
area
the
and not
projecf
a
residential
from the heart of the tavtirn
She said she felt sorry that she gas
applicant would move it somewhere away
one
but she uvished the
She said this
of Pismo Beach
H
r
y
nightmare It
eras
and the
ingress and egress
already a nightmare at
Vista parking to go around
rere creating
They
Pomeroy Motorists used fihe rasa Bella
The pity made Pomeroy one v
rnds the other may to alleviate the
ay and H
She
asked
them
not to make it worse
congestivn
by putting these
condominiums in utrhere retail chaps should be
She said this v
rould be a
and
she
no
one
killed
if
this
gent
She
said the
got
nightmare
hoped
through
fare of the
ty She hoped
Planning Commission had a respocsibility forthe vtire
make
the
decision
this
on
vauld
they
right
a
Price and
O
onnell Pismo Beach
Carolyn C
came
forward fio
gas
speak
She said she had
a
rman Burnes asked about the width of
question about the drive ray Vice Cha
the driveway and the ans
rr
vuas g ft She said the actual driveway up into the
parking
codes
area
on
vas
0 ft v
ride
only
the books that
Department
required
She said there
a
minirnurv of 12 ft
could overrule these caries
understood this
details of the
vas
in
conjunction
arrangement
rere
an a
Frith
major
honing
Ordinances and
She asked have the Fire
commercial
project
Bhe
g vlliver but she did not knew fihe
She said 9D Dalliver had not been
approved
She
assumed the
Planning Commission had to go by ghat was here nor and not
etime later She said this was a basic rule
carving douvn the road sor
of real estate
She did not see how a rr
ajor cammarcial building could
accommodate the flav of traffic in and out of fihe site with a
0 ft vide driveway
She did not thinkthe project should ga through but if it did she granted to kno
r
if
the commercial portion of the project including the
vacation rentals would be
held to commercial building code standards
Corvmercia construction vuas
highly upgraded from residential construction She asked if it vuould be FDA
compliant
ghat
vas
Chairman
rentals
orgenfrei
had
member
eras
said fihe issue of the
build code standards far vacation
ng
previous meetings The City
s building code sfiaff
up in
in attendance and clarified that the
come
use
of the structure and not the
pity of
Pismo Beach
Planning amrnlssian Minutes
Tuesday Ju
y fig Og
Page 24
zoning
determined the
building
be held to the carr
mercial
He asked
code standard
standard they
community Develapment
The vacation rentais would not
would be held to
a
residential standard
Director Bloom if this was correct
Cornrr Develo
unity
rnent Director BEoom said the Uniform Building fade
defined
the type of construction
If
structure were built cut of block it
SUB
would be a Type 2 food frame construction would be a different type The
UB
would determine the
type of construction
not the individual
Mice Dhairrnan Burns said he wanted to revisit the
7g
g40 Table 8A called far
Ordinance
Zoning
approach
which
issue
He said
4 ft apron on
degree
gD
The Design Element Def in the
what this would be
was
driveway
use
a
general Plan stated that the
and Table D
width of
driveway should be kept narrow pedestrian friendly
called far projects with 9
4 parking spaces to have a driveway
ft The driveway for this project was 0 ft according to Cdr grant
He asked if there
conflict
was a
nnEng Manager
PI
Johnson said Table D
Plan Amendment
same
Earth in the
Ordinance
Zoning
tune ago
it said the
driveway
rce Cha
l
anBurnes confirmed that Table
rn
Ordinance table
was
eliminated
was
was
through
eliminated but the
praperky
was
next door
shared
on
allow for
an
place
far
quite
the
additional
access
ft
an
pedestrian
time
Zoning
applicant
the
was a
driveway
building
access
ft with
this
clang
the
access
purchased
width of a
ft
the
which
He said the
had also been reduced
to
said
This g ft wide
He said he
down the centerline
The
This made the fu11 availabie width
each side
long
a
There
properties right
the
easement with G
0 Dolliver
an
years ago
both
Department approved
existing
shared 1D ft
was
easement had been in
was
set
as
still in effect
IIJIr grant said there
which
general
width shouid be
P
a
nnjng Manager Johnson said yes the said she wanted
on access easement with
n
X90 Do
liver
explain the cor
would
issue
ron
t
explana
help clarifythe
property line
a
Fire
by 4 fk to
project
back into the center of the
a
2a ft
driveway
He asked if this
clarified the issue
Ice
1
Judy
anBurnes and
hairr
BIom
lieu fees
in
came
were
forward to
in the
hairrnan
speak
orgenfrel
the asked
aaa range
72
said itwas clear
Planning ManagerJahnson
if the
pity of Puma Beach
Planning commission Minutes
Tuesday duly 0 oa
Page 25
hairrnan
the
orgenfrei
Planning
asked
Blom to address the
Planning commission
question of stafl
mission would in turn ask the
on
and
h of u
enjoy the 4
ng
y on
far
his
He
said he
cane by leaking
bay an a
family
was looking for his family and they were stay
ng in
Wstory condo He asked
s Blom where he might find his family
She told hirr to lack around at the
many 3
story condos She asked him if he knew which story Ganda they were
t She sa
d her cor
ment was there were
stary
staying in He said he didn
condos everywhere in downtown Pisr
o Beach
ll l
l
lom said
Oceanview
in
PIanr
comment
a
anag ahnvn
l
r
a
0 Park
of the
She
was
skateboard
Place
parking
space
speak
He said he
one
was
Pismo
Beach
this
came
forward to
t this time he did not have
a problem
project
Robert
had
bent
aver
backwards
to
Miler
project
applicant
work with the pity the community the appellants and a hunch of other people
ng said that he agreed with ethers who had commented that the pity did not
Hav
nation of vacation rentals being
have the appropriate resolution as to the determ
commercial He said he wished the Gity did because he supported that position
wholeheartedly He said as stated in many previous meetings the purpose of a
vacation renal was fo generate TAT revenue forthe pity t therefore became a
commercial aspect
It generated significantly mare money to this community
than the sales tax or propertytaxes Itwas an efficient income generator He did
question why they were not following the Zoning ordinance far parking
usemulti
requirements The honing ordinance stated thatfor a mixed
family unit
Boa sq f ar es 1
perking spaces rere required Far units over Bea q ft 2
were
parking spaces
required To be consistent the requirement for the two
ercial vacation rentals should be 2 parking spaces The reams in hotels
comr
4a0 sq ft and required one parking space There seemed to
Oa
were generally
be some inconsistency llacat
an rentals w
th
parking spaces were generally
eerier to rent
He said assurrtiing the comr
ercia aspect was correct they
needed the deed restrictions to preserve the con
ercial campanent of the
r
was one
appellants
said the in
lieu fee for
aqua 72
804
Two spaces would
OaB
B
Dv
she had
A
with the
vacation rentals
developers
on
He said the
were
percentages
their
otherwise the units would be
getting
the benefit of
properties
Planning Manager Johnson
owner
clearly
His
using
put
which in turn allowed them to
He referenced
Page
rentals
residential
component
more
dential
res
of 0 and said if the
limited to
occupancy or rental occupancy far
put vacation rentals into a commercial
concerns
a
ieu fees to work their
in
day stays
g
anths
n
aspect
parking
campanents
on
noted
by
changes
for 9 r
onths ar
d
were
and would
would be resolved if the issues staffed above
The
were
rude this would
satisfy
the intent
addressed
City cf
Pisma Beach
Planning Cammission llllinutes
Tuesday July D gg
Page
n
To
o
Pisrr
pinellir
Beach
invesfiors who
purchased
living rn their candominiums
intention of
rentals
in
fcrward
came
condorrriniurrrs
Pisrnv
Beach
and
anywhere
they were
from
bent
backwards far the
locking
for
speak
full time
Beach
million to
ag0 to
800
to
downtcwn
and
He
said the
Beach
owners
them
major
had
no
vacation
represented
the
purchase
He
Pismo
were
n his
spending
e
c
perience
er had
an He else felt that Robert Ilil
y
at
has
over
community
large Parking
arrays been an
issue and would always be an issue He suggested fihat they put
gate across
the parking let entrance tc fihis project because they would not just be providing
parking for the project but for public He sees this happening every week in his
parking lat He said the City received lo of the sales tax generated in the Cifiy
of the a
TCT He said this was major 4
l
l
la cf the City
They receive gg
s
annual budget was derived fram fihe TCT
He saw a great benefit from the
vacation rentals end supported the deed restrictions on them He had a deed
restricted vacation rental and he had no prab
ems with it He said to give them
an idea of the percentage of vacation rentals downtown his complex Casa Bella
Vista had 8 vacation rentals They needed to take a hard oak at all of the
iniurr cor
condorr
plexes He said retail worked on the bottom floor and office
oar Retail did not wcrk an the n flcar It wcu
f
d be
space worked on the
cost
1
a
Avila
in
an
investment
rve
rbit
proh
Chairman
closed
i
rgenfr
rman
a
C
orgenfre
of vacation rentals
was
an
advisory
s
the
determinaticn
said there had been
bcard fio fihe
determined
Planning
was
that
it
public hearing
cernmercial
ission to
n
Corr
Planning
majority of
the
help
was
a
bit of discussion
true the
the
City Council
City
Commission did decide that it
commercial
was
did
He
a
that
agreed
was
and the
with
let of discussion
be ccnsidered ccrr
ercial or residential
r
vacation rentals
collected
was an
as
meney
commercial
changed
important aspect
was
he would
the issue
had
asked the
definition
The
commercial
This
a
City
Ms
Council then
N1cDermctt that
vacation
a
Ehring
prefer
ordinance be in place However fihe rr
ajcrifiy of the City Council did send the
back
to
the
Commission
The problem was that fihe Planning
praject
Planning
bcard
The Planning
Commission was an advisory
to the City Ccuncil
Cammission could not come up with a vacation rental ordinance They did net
set pclicy The City Cauncil did that He said the Planning Con
ission had met
n
fiheir responsibility by determining that definition He hoped fihis clarified things
He said there had been
rriention
City
Council
on
mission
Corr
Planning
Ccuncil
them with this and determine
sent back to the
Cauncilmember
quite
vlrhile it
an
A
whether
that
a
vacation rental shculd
determining factor in considering
they generated TCT fees were
the income
hands and the
City
derived
an
inccme from them
t
City of Pismo
Beach
Planning Commission Minutes
Tuesday July 0 OD
Page 7
said he had not further
missionerUUaage
Co
questions
Commissioner Anderson referenced
said item
made
read
He
vacation rentals
said
had covered his
of 0 Executive
He
ummar
that
decision
has
been
cammercial
already
he contacted the
afternoon and asked hire if there
uvs
Page
Community Development director
an ordinance adopted by the City
Director said there
Community Development
ith the statement
disagreed v
in item
asked Chairman
if
argenfrei
freE
orger
Commissioner
said
eras
ordinance
no
that
The
He said he
of the Executive
thiniC that decision had been made and he
hairmar
questions They
the vacation rental
an
summary He did
completely disagreed vith that
not
He
they should discuss that at this time
they should
Anderson
said
he
go ahead and discuss it
the
thought
building
vas
beautiful
a
residential building Frith a very nice residential design He said unfortunately it
It vas in the central cammercial district The
eras not in a residential district
general
Plan
as
amended stated the
cammercial district
rere
to be oriented tovtirard visitors
restaurants
separately
gifit chaps clothing
odging 1liitor lodging uvas
Visitor lodging eras discussed in the
use districts
in mixed
eras na
receipts
use uvas
did not
a
Just because
rrong
v
it
mean
uvas a
cammercial
t said in the genera
operated business they
City Just paying this tax
He said if this
vacation rental
a
He said if
use
home
flax to the
Plan
rere
residence could be used
likesayingcats
had
fur
orgenfrei
vacation
Commissioner
home office
generated
fax
resident in Pismo
mean
paying gross
that their residence
ould be
true there v
The
na
syllogisrr did
such
no
need far
thing Every
not v
rork
It
eras
animals had furtherefore all animalsvuere cats
said
rentals
Anderson
of that vote
authority
the Planning
as a
a
darn gall better be
did not
residential districts in Pismo Beach because there rould be
chairman
use
mixed
use project applications
may be considered as part of mixed
directive to consider it He said the syllogism that vacation rentals
commercial
eras na
r
uvhether
mentioned
uses
mr7nercial
c
Beach had
uses
stares and
It did not mention visitor
Residential
revenue
Commercial
It listed
districts but not in the central cammercial district
There
faces far the central
use
recreational and cultural
cammercial
vas
land
primary
a
vote
vas
ere
v
voted
taken
the
Planning
He
vUhat needed
to
He believed the vote
Commission
by
mercial
carr
agreed
that
vas
not
stated and
rental
eras
as
recall
be determined
clearly
vacation
a
Commission
could
to
hoer
eras
the
majority
defined
of
as
commercial
er An
Cornrnisior
rsan referenced
Minutes of the
problem
in
Januar1
categorising vacation
He
Pa
read
rentals
as
9 of the
e
He
Plannin
Commission
Cammisioner Andersan
cammercial use
had
a
He said he still
o Beach
City of Pisr
Planning Commission Ilinutes
Tuesday July a 2007
Page 8
did
Ir
I
He did not believe it
Spinelli
condominiums
He said this
stated
that
the
rere
looking
for
terribly convenient for commerce
ho purchased
these
majority
people v
an investr
ent That sere looking to slam dunk
as
u
of
ant
money He said it gent back to his pony argument l v
pony but
v
a
nt
h
v
en
l
want
to
ride
1
t
don
clean
a pony
ant to
v
only
my pony
up after my
tgrant to feed y pony or brush my pang unless I happen to be
pony and 1 don
sore
there and it
happens
to be convenient
condo for commercial use
that
This
vas
the vuhole
use
of the residential
He
completely opposed that and could not make
compelled to if the City Council adopted an
laver of the City Until then he could not do it He
He said he vauld be
finding
stating
ordinance
said he
vuas
this
eras
the
sensitive to the issue of the TAT
revenue
He remembered v
hen
the
2 to 7 He
Itan increase an the sales tax from 7
City vuas pushing the 7
needed
this
the
to
He
said
he
eras
sensitive to the
they
money
support
City
fact that the City needed commercial business to generate this 7 sales ta
c
said
This
eras
district
district
the
rhat the corr
v
ercial district
rr
vas
for
This
eras
the central comr
ercial
The General flan did say they may consider residential uses in this
He said he v
ould consider residential uses and has voted in favor of it in
huge dramatic lopsided amount This
vuas the commercial district
They could not overrun the City
s commercial area
vuith residential uses
He could not fallov the logic an that
He said a very
enlightened member of the public made a comment to him that really rang deer
This person said if they considered vacation rentals the equivalent of hatel
motel
rn None of us kno
rhoer big it is
lodging they rere building a hotel dovuntov
None of us know houv many rooms it is None of a kno
rexactly rhere it is
located like the lost little boy None of us knor the drag an infrastructure that it
was causing for the City
He said you couldn
t build a structure and not kno
r
what it is Th
s eras ghat vuas going on v
rith this out of control vacation rental
concept He did believe they should meet in a joint session Frith the City Council
and the public to vuork through this issue
He said a vacation rental eras a
residential use that generated tax revenue It eras not a commercial use He had
a problem with the project Pram the get go He said he did think it eras a beautiful
residential design
past
but not rhere it
vwas
such
a
Eioner Cox Miranda sold the
n
Cor
in the architecture
was a
narked
looking at the photograph provided by Ilr grant the
rn Hv
rhich gas the City
v
everything going do
y
s
rauld be compatible v
ith this
scenic highv
ray She said the story buildings that
structure rere up the street but not on Hv
The project vas completely out of
y
content v
ith the compatibility of the adjacent buildings She agreed that it gas
very premature to state that a decision had already been made that vacation
rentals commercial There vwas na vacation rental ordinance in place for the
City for the Planning Commission to determine rhether or not a deed restriction
eras appropriate or not appropriate
The terms kept changing fror project to
She
said
she
did
take a position that vacation rentals
not
want
to
project
ent Houvever
prover
ir
structure did
over
toyer
in
change
pity of Pismo
Planning ammision
Tuesday July
beach
Minutes
g0
Page
ercial eras
comr
already
etched in stone and
public hearing process
The Zoning bode did not
It hadn
t
vacation rentals
call out hoer
the said
vacatian rental issue
completely explored
far vacat
on rentals
they
vuith
and had gone through the
about the parking
concerns
they rere to apply parking calculations to
uto apply anything to the
figured out ha
have not
because there
There
approved
She said she had
2
eras a
vas
na
suggestion
bedroom
For
ordinance
and
had
it
not been
that
they go pith parking space
4g ceanvier They applied the
hotellmotel standard v
rhich
eras
parking space per sleeping roam She
referenced the general Plan under circulation element Policy
4
She said
there
long paragraph explaining how parking should be provided as part of
development On Page lit read exact park
ng standards shall be
established by pity ordinance but minimum parking ratios for never development
shall not be less than She said the very first listing was hotellmotel at 5
spaces per unit They applied the Zoning bode far hotellmotel to the project on
ceanviev and the general Plan said something else far hatellrr
otel She said
she vas not quite sure vuhat application general Plan and
or the Zoning
ordinance should be applied to vacatian rentals atthis stage of the game
eras a
v
ne
Comrniioner
sync
Frith
the
x
Miranda said the amount of residential
al central
commerc
district
She
said
the
gas
terribly
most
out of
reasonable
suggestion she had hoard eras to put office commercial an the a floor o that
they did get some commercial viability on that street and in that section of the
central commercial care She said this should be explored t uvas very unfair to
the pity
s central cammercial carp to monopolize it utirith residential uses She
said the vacation rental issue vvas completely uncertain She did not support a
large residential project on the bra floor She said it eras peculiar that one of the
vacatian rentals had
bedroar and 2 bathrooms
That led
one
to believe that
rould be staying in the vacatian rental perhaps in pull out
people v
roam
ould a unit need
bathrooms She eras
living
Vvhy else v
concerned by the gray in v
hich all of the different Tittle sections of the project
rere being proposed to justify it
She referenced Page 51 of 0 Design
many more
beds in the
element Policy D Suilding and Site Design criteria
c
rs It
llie
read
llie
to the ocean creeks marsh and surrounding hills should be preserved and
enhanced v
henever possible She said staff
s comment read that each of the
units rould have
a
deck
have decks
on
the I
liver elevation and
o
anymore
ray
drivev
if
sane
of the units vuould
rfor
preserving
enhancing the viev
slang Pomeroy
they
the residents in the building She said this eras not an appropriate interpretation
of the policy The policy vuas to preserve the surrounding viev
rof the hills far the
rn the pity
community and all those vuho drove up and do
s scenic highway
rere
mare
and
more
commercial
at
ft and residential
They
seeing
buildings
ft These v
rere starting to block the vievu of the hillside
She did
buildings at
not think hillside vieuv protection was being taken into cansideratian enough
as
She referenced Pa
location
a
and
rere
e
32 of 7g
Danditian
Dolliver ri
I be restricted to
right
It
read
in and out
The
only
project
unless
a
City of Pisme
Beach
Planning Commission Minutes
Tuesday July fig OD7
Page 30
Traffic Circulation
impact
Engineer
on
Analysis by
registered
traffic circulation in the
Traffic
that
Engineer shoring
is submifked and
area
no
the
approved by
the said this should have been done before the could not
City
imagine
Traffic Circulation
Analysis not being presented as pert of the Traffic and
Bhe vas
ran porkion of the Ilitigated Negative Declaration
Transportat
ould be done after the fact only if it created a
concerned that this study r
problem the said it needed to be addressed upfront Bhe referenced Pa a 9
of 70 Building Deparkrner
t Condition 1 It read All RR Occupancies and R
gD0 sq ft the said she did not understand the
Occupancies greater than 4
applicability of this to this project and asked for clarification from staff
a
ornrnunity Development
be fire spriniclered
Director Bloom said it meant
that the
CornrnlssionerCox Miranda asked if the R
occupancies
Cammunit Development Director Blooms said rhen
and
occupancies fire sprinklers vere required
isianer Coy Miranda asked v
omrr
hich
ere
v
park of the project
had to
included
project
a
project
eras
combined R
R and uvhich
ras
v
ovm said the R v
ould be the
and
unity Development Director B
Domr
r floor He said comrr
ercial space al
it
For
residential
vay required
anything
gg sq ft required fire sprinklers This project vas a combination building
over
and the entire building required fire sprinklers
roner Coy Miranda referenced
omrni
Codes
Development
standards it
is for tiro vacation rentals
can
determine that it is
Page
3 of
l
the said under
The Conditional Use
read
caning
permit application
gnat specified in the Zaning Code but
ith the permitted
use compatible u
a
the Commission
uses
in the
1
zone She said this statement hold her up in her mind rhen she thought about
the Conditional Use Permit and the toot that it roads secondary uses associated
vuith the cor
mercial
useF
the could not recall it verbatir the said the
Corimission could determine that
C
zone
proposal
the
district and the
The
public
zoning
code
had made
concerned about the
the
same
really
Planning
t see this associated v
didn
rith the
the said she had
imparkant
of
a
lot of trouble pith the
contributions to the
d
ar
concerns
in the
accessibility
plans
anything
public
red and available the eras concerned about
supposed to be vie
the intention of the people ha vould buy these residential units as an
ent only the said it ryas clear these units sere not places v
investrr
here people
eras
record thatvtiras
uould live year round It vould be a second home or an investment as stated
ents the said the project needed many mare loose ends
rr
during the public corr
tied up
1JVith the
public
comment and the evidence before
her
she rauld be
pity ofi
Pismo Beach
linutes
Planning Commission t
Tuesday July 0 20Q7
Page 3 t
very reluctant at this stage to approve the
vaeatian rental ordinance
project especially
vice chairman Burnes said with all due
respect
his fellow
Planning
commissioners
top People
He addressed
coking
a
little overthe
reasonable value far themselves far their estates
an owner
they own
slam dunk and
a
any of these
Il
it
coking
with
Cammissianer
respect
fare slam dunkwas
a
s comment about
liranda
lived in
unit
ar
net
wing in the
change the rights
owners
it did not
they did not know whether the owners would ar
would not live in the units A number of people bought these units because aver
the fang term theywere a solid sold investment in real property This was hardly
given
when
a
ornrnissioner Coy
He said whether
units
far
completely disagreed
He said with all due
s commentabout investors
Andersen
were
he
in the absence of
was a
owners
He said
because the
if there
the
dome ofi these
owners were
City
was an
planning
Planning
they
lacked of
ardinanee in
Commission
smart
vacation rental ardinanee
a
place
disagreed
were
to
come
he wau
d be
vacation rentals with deed
with
the
aspect
before
mare
lieu fees
in
lieu fees for commercial
In
parking
were
some
acting
eral
er
even
same
comments of the
he
supported
him with all
Plan
the
supported
the
two
previous
project
5 residential
parking plan
smart
every bit
gave the Planning
farm of affordable
Planning
He said
units and
as
if the
na
but would have liked
g0 sq fit ofi cammercial If
should be
The
read
rather than on
site
encauraged
complaint voiced was
there
was
only
site
sq fk of required on
they
off
the
site
and
awed
al
the
to
lieu
in
fees
pay
instead they
parking
applicant
lieu fees would ga up to compensate far that
could have OgO sq ft
The in
gg0 sq ft and they could then have more viable cammercial retail in this
praject
The
Zoning
ordinance
took the
deed
included two
The general Plan Circulation element C4
uses
in the con
ercia gone
r
a
at the discretion of
supparl since the project
ive
restrictions he would support that
just
Dice chairman Burnes said he
see even
they
The conservation element of the
missioners and in that
Cor
or on a
at
was
planning economic environmental pedestrian friendly
He
restrictions
Yet
solely
was
use
These concepts
encourages mixed
Ccmm the ability to attempt to start creating
rsion
applicant
move
far the ratio of commercial to residential when
The ratio of residential
of that
housing
to
nothing wrong
reluctant tc work with the vacation rents issue
were
ordinance
was no
Growth
to
vacation rentals
as
in the future to Pismo Beach to live in their units There
with this
there
testament to the excellence and location of this town
wanted to rent their units out
tobasis
month
point
He said
QSQ4Q
Dg 50a
encauraged
the
payment
of in
lieu
fens up to 0
I and the Planning Commission had the authority to take that to
whatever level they wanted past fibs g
He said he was disappointed to see
l
gv away There were an excellent addition to the praject He said
the sire and scope of this project was no different that any of the newer prajeets
downtown The project at Ga Hinds with a much higher ratio of residential v
ras a
the
canopies
City of Pismo
Beach
ission tl
r
inutes
Planning Cor
2007
Tuesday July
Page 32
good looking project that
The residential aspect of
appealed Nov suddenly things have changed
a
ghat made then feasible in
projects u
this current market It did not make them a bad project The commercial aspect
of this project vas vastly superior to the socially obsolete and functionally
obsolete building that sat there today The Beach House Inn vas
near building
The
Hinds
It vas about
ft
at
0
eras
about
Ogg sq
B
building
000 sq f
7
The Landmark Buildings ar
fan
d
rOg0 sq ft The Pismo
s bu
Day
ir were 2
Beach Hotel gas about 2
000 sq ft Cypress Landing was over X0
000 sq ft
He asked hove this project did not fit in vtirith all of that He paid he supported this
project and he eras disappointed pith some of the treatment that it vas being
given
no one
most of these
Cvrnmisior said he did vote in favor of the original project that came
e
aa
erVl
before the Planning Commission in February 2007
Subsequent to that the
project eras appealed to the City Council He said itening to the City Council
comments on the appeal and rev
ving the direction given rhen it eras sent back
re
to the Planning Commission it seemed to him that the applicant and the architect
had tried very hard to meet the requirements imposed by the City Council He
paid the current project looked like it did meet the rr
s
ajority of the City Council
concerns e
at
that
As
he
said
at
the
2007
meeting
cpressed
February
Planning
Commission meeting he vou
d have preferred that a vacation rental ordinance
He recalled that
ere in place but at this time there u
v
as not ordinance in place
during the City Council discussion he believed the Mayor said she thought
vacation rentals
rere
u
commercial
He said Councilmember llardas
stand
Councilmember
in favor
vas
did have
Bhring
problem
project as it originally
but
some
t
o
he
other
bers
Courrcilmer
the
vacation
language
supported
rentals as con
mercia concept
He said a vacation rental ordinance v
rould
br of parking spaces for
provide the guidance they needed to determine the nur
of the
a
Frith the
a
He said each vacation rental
vacation rental
unit had
bedroom and
1
ould be adequate He vtirould like to gee more clarity and a code
space v
these things in the future
Since they did not have that ty
ar he rould
c
parking
on
vuas
bedroom
space per unit since each had
He said Counciln
ber Fhring had quite
en
excellent
design
and the
to meet those
said he
design
project
He said the
parking
support
applicant
originally
great job
agreed
concerns
of the
City
Council and he
pith Mice Chairman Burnes that
problem
trying to
project
they
back to the
revise i
avua
The
He
nevi
in favor of the
needed various
types
of
achieved that
orenfrei said Cor
isioner v
r
age made
Council sent this
vas
design
vith the
in
The Cal Trans encroachment issue had gone
voted in favor of this project vuith its original design
ixed in the do
n
uses
vn core This
rnta
Chairman
a
concerns
addressed the
He
and architect have done
a
a
good point
The
City
Commission pith the directive that
project
Planning
Planning Commission look to see if the applicant made the appropriate
e reason why the Planning Commission got this
changes This was the vho
the
City of
o Beach
Pisr
Planning commission Minutes
Tuesday Duly a aa
Page
back
project
He said had the
back to the
Planning
Commission
serves
sent this
project
the
City
and not sent it
Planning
The
Planning
very clear that the City Council
Commission so that the Commissioners
was
appropriate changes had been made
related to the City Council objections
He said he agreed with Commissioner
the
Council
directives
He said he
were met by the applicant
Waage that
City
respected the opinions of his fellow Commissioners He and Commissioner
Anderson disagreed on the aspect of vacation rentals being comr
ercial He said
this was ghat rude the world go around People disagreed but still respected
each other He said when a vacation rental was rented money changed hands
1lacation rentals were normally handled by a business The City derived more
income from
project
and
project
it would have ended there
Council and it
back to the
could evaluate this
Council denied the
City
Commission
if the
see
vacation rentals than it did from
retail sales
He said this had
key aspect
why a vacation rental was
commercial
Vacation rentals generated
He said
revenue
regarding
he
did
have
a
He
came
up against this
problen
determining compatibility
problem with a previous project n one hand the project needed to show
corrapatibility with the surrounding structures Cn the other hand the guidelines
stated that sameness was not a criteria
He said this was something they
did
needed to explore because these guidelines were totally contradictory H
not want to see the same thing that was downtown at this paint He said they
11 Roatbeer stand
He asked if they wanted
were comparing it to an old A1
already
another
been stated but it
of
one
restaurant
those
there because the
current
very
another rvotbeer stand that in turn became
would this make
utirith ghat the land
sense
was a
of
economically
sense
warth
was
proposed project
for this site
Sorgenfrei
what
had not been
ere they
vl
building
temporary building
as
an
building
example of what they wanted
hotels
said it
was
a
going
tv
Mexican
Mould it make
He said the Mexican restaurant
was a
Chairman
far this town
use
was
The
passed
this
only
temporary
the rest of the town to look like
time for the town to grow up to the level of the
probably continue tv prosper irrespective of
He said Pismo Beach v
rould
they
did with the downtown
It would
downtown that matched the clientele
staying
certainly
be better off with
in the hotels
The hotels
a
viable
provided
lot of TCT revenue which in turn paid for the City
s fire sewer
services
that
benefited
the
residents
He
said a these
and r
other
any
City
the
City
benefits
with
a
period This was where the City made its
The hotels were now attracting people from Bouthern and Northern
money
California rvil
g0 per night which generated increasing TAT
a
ing to pay 2
were
revenue
paid
for
by
TCT
revenue
if the town did not grow to match those hotels these hotel guests
Obispo to dine and shop He said people would still
would drive to fan Luis
would still want to cool off from the valley But they would not
their
revitalized downtown f a strictly commercial
money in an un
spending
building in the downtown core were viable far a developer they would be looking
come
here
They
be
at
a
strictly commercial project
He said the cost of the
property
and the cost to
City of Pismo
Beach
issior ll
n
inutes
Planning Con
Tuesday July fig Dg7
Page 34
build
residential element
required
component and make it a
to it
residential
then needed to look at the
They
commercial element
City could
receive income from it He said he eras not looking to benefit the developer He
uvas looking to benefit the tovun The tou
n needed to have same redevelopment
The City v
rould not have redevelopment if they did not rark utirith the developers
to male sure that they had a viable project He said if
project gas not viable it
rould never get built and this ta
v
un v
ould stay exactly the same They v
rould not
have that magic retail that v
auld appear and be O
d never be built
lo This rou
rith the current economic conditions
v
up they have
tovuns that no
incorporated
He said
other beach towns have grown
mixed He realized that these utirere the beach
use
as
wanted to become and many residents here came from those
Avila Beach eras one of those beach towns and it uvas only
5
miles ay
av As Avila Beech groves it becomes
guests veil ga aver to Avila Beach and v
ill not be
in the dovvnta
rn
currently
he v
arked pith
underneath
that the
one
beach tons
rere
so
Marro
Bay
He said this
The Morro
cor far Pismo Beach
petitian
supporting the businesses that
very serous issue He said
Fire Department eras housed
vas a
Bay
tent because the
city did not have any money The reason they did
because for the longest time they just said na no no
not have any money eras
hen they rere prepared to say yes no
Finally v
vuant to see this happen to Pismo Beach
compromises
to
get
what
they wanted
in life
building He did not
Everyone needed to make
said he looked at this project
one eras
He
that gray t would be vtiranderl
ul to have
commercial He didn
t think this
l
would every happen in this current ecanarnic situation if it ever did become
He said he wanted to see
viable it rould be years and years don the line
carne changes nova
He eras in favor of the project He said everyone seemed to
be in favor of
Planning Commission had
provided
City
Planning Commissioners
The City Counci
members rere the policy makers
ere not the policy makers
v
The Planning Commission eras an advisory board and he thought there gas a
consensus that the Planning Commissioners rere advising the pity Council to
get a Vacation Dental ordinance in place
a
Vacation
Rental ordinance
lot of information to the
lr Crant said he
said
they
appreciated
The
Council
all the
positive
The
comments
made hard effort and would continue to do
so
on
They
the
redesign
were
He r
gre up here and vuas ready to design better buildings and he
listen He appreciated all the calls and the comments
Vine Chairman Burnes moved to
Mitigated
Negative
corrections noted
motion
eclaratian
stafif
by
eras approved by
Chairman
orgenfrei
Vice Chairman Burnes
adopt
and
here to
eras
as
Yes
Yes
stay
there to
Resolution No
the
project
l approving the
O
discretionary permits and
r
C
i
r
sioner
rl
aa seconded the motion
roll cal vote
He
rs
fallo
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commissioner Anderson
onrmissionerox Miranda
Commissioner l
llaage
No
Na
Yes
Business Items
A nof
3
ussio
i
shell Beach Road ll
ater Plan
Planr I
Yng
ager Johnvr said the general Plan in the land use element talk
a
about multiple neighborhoods in Pismo Beach The Bhell Beach neighborhood
Bhe said it eras fairly unique in Pismo Beach
eras called Planning Area
There eras nothing else quite like it The general Plan stated there uvould be a
detailed plan put together far this area Bhe asked Assistant Planner Gruver to
rere talking about
put Page 2 of 1 an the overhead the said the area they v
shorn on the general Plan exhibit displayed an the overhead The policy
talked about upgrading the commercial portion of this area putting together same
recommendations for signage street trees sidev
ralks and parking
It eras
for
the
Bhel
Beach
the
referenced
essentially
streetscape plan
village area
of i the said the policies on this page covered same design elements
Page
like pufiking parking in the bank of projects rather than the front hiding trash
containers and other suggestions the said the focus of the policy eras to puff
together a design plan forthis commercial area in Shell Beach The pity Council
has budgeted g
o0o far this effort end an additional g
ODO to implement this
the said a group called the
1 Beach
he
plan once it is put together
has
been vorkin
on this same idea far sore time
Improvement group
They
gave been meeting and asserr
bling their ideas for the area The shell Brach
Improvement group information ryas included in the staff report starting on Pane
of
This group has spent a lot of time and effark an this l
lembers of this
group either live in Shell Beach
dialed into the area and to ghat
or
have businesses in the
area
They vuere very
staff thought the
d like to see Bhe said
they au
could
be a springboard to bring an a consultant
Improvement Croup
to ga through the public Workshops and public hearing process to assemble this
Bhe said they could be
streetscape plan far the Bhell Beach village area
rhat this area could lank like and other things that could
caking at a pictorial of v
be used in a vuorkhap format to really involve the public in the design of the
streetscape plan Bhe met Frith the Bhell Beach Improvement group last
evening Bhe said this group had been rarking an this for some time and vtirere
ere the
very interested in being a strong participant in this vuhole effort They v
The Planning commission eras
ones vwrho got the ball railing to get it started
asked
to
look
at
the
Shell
Beach
being
improvement raup
s involvement sa far
and to discuss have this group could continue to be involved in the rorkshop
A member of the Bhe
1 Beach mprovement
process in assembling this plan
anted to provide a presentation to the
group eras in attendance and he v
ammission
said
the
direction had already been provided that
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Planning
Shell Beach
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this
be assembled
plan
They
wanted to
rission as to hov
r
orr
rthis would
Paul
Bchiro
business
Beach
on
happen
get
and
some
they
feedback from the
Planning
would take itfrom there
27
uyama Street came forward to speak He said he owned a
Shell Beach Road
He was the current chairperson of the She
I
He reference
Improvement Group
mission of the She
I Beach
o
a
Improvement Group
i
1
Mission and
read
The
to preserve and improve the
the enjoyr
ent of residents
unique village atmosphere of Shell Beach for
businesses and visitors The group will seek to achieve
these
goals by making
eans He
pity Council and by other r
continued reading under Shell Beach Village Specific Plan The Shell Beach
mprovement Group SB10 comprised of residents and business people of Shell
Beach has prepared a draft document designed to present policies and
or groups Under
proposals that may be reviewed by a variety of persons and
the heading ll
embership he read Residents and business owners of Shell
Beach are invited to attend meetings of the She
1 Beach Improvement Oroup
Only members who have paid dues annua dues 2 for residents a far
business owners have voting rights
He said the reason why he was there
1 Beach Improvement Group had a meeting the previous
tonight was the She
and
a
night
strong majority voted to pursue being actively involved with the
Specific Plan Study and the decisions pertaining to the ccmmerciaC strip and a
budding high residential gone along Shell Beach Rood Hated as Planning Area
A This was the only reason why they were there They wanted to be
H
U
involved with the process
They had spent taro years coming up with plans
ideas and other types of things These included everything from trashcans to
plantings streetscapes and pedestrian thoroughfares They have been actively
involved with community workshops and things of this nature
He asked the
ission to allow the Shell Beach Improvement Group to be
rr
Planning orr
recommendations to the Pismo Beach
involved with the whole process
chairman
orgenfrei said there was no question that they would want the Shell
Beach lr
ent Group
proven
s involvement because they live and work there and
they had done the research He asked Nlr Schiro to what degree theywanted to
be involved He said everything discussed on this would be a public meeting
He suggested they could perhaps do workshops jointly He asked
r Schiro if
this
was
Mr
the kind of idea he had in mind
chlrv said
they wanted
to be involved in those
wanted to v
rork with the consultant in
a
background
in
anthropology
and
some
ray
v
demography
types of things They also
shape or form He said he had
He had lived in the
county
for
D years and had been in Pismo Beach for the last 2g years During this time he
had seen consultants come in and sift in theirv
rhite castles and design something
then
present
it
only
to have it shut down
raup did not want thatto
happen They
He said the Shell Beach
wanted to
core
up with
a
Improvement
plan that was
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ission Minutes
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workable and had
community input The group wanted to work closely with the
Planning Departmenfi the City engineers Ca Trans and ail the other entities that
would be involved to come up with a plan that was workable affordable and
pleasant to the eyet
chairman
Bargenfrei said he thought this was all doable
mision would ultimately be the body thatwauld advise
Corr
Mr
ohiro
Planning
City Council
the
agreed
chairman
orenfrei said he looked at it
Improvement
would
raup
Commission
this and
He said the
their
give
as
a
tiered level
counsel
with the consultant
working
ultimately it would
The
and
r chira said
l
they
not
were
denying
advice
Planning
ga to the City Council
would have fia work with the consultant also
this at all
The shell Basch
to fihe
Planning
Commission would take
He said at
He said
they
same
paint
staff
wanted tv have
synergy
Chairnnan
fir
or asked
enfrei
chirp said
Chairman
together
argenfrei
a
City end
would be nva
ved
or
he
imagined
that
executive board of
Ilr
Bchiro
would
be
4
people
that would
maybe
getting
the consultant
chirp said he could not
speak for everyone but the way he envisioned it as
chairperson
meeting with the consultant fio get a boilerplate approach
what theywauld bedaing working with sfiaff and Planningi
the
to
e
peap
g members
said
subcommittee
work wifih the
fir
they had
Mr Bchiro haw many
ras
v
Chairman
orgenfrei said
a challenge
if
they
had all 5g
people working
with the consultant
this would be
r
N
chirp said
theywauld
not have a
I 50 bers
er v
n
rarking with the consultant
Vice Chairman Byrnes as
Ced if it would be
missian
Car
the
Planning
improvement Croup
ar
ty
C
appropriate
Council to sit
n
as
for
a
member of the
aisan wifih the Bhell
I
a
Beach
lr
l
chirp said there
envelope
a
was
little bit and this
no
problem
was
what
vuith this
they
He
said
liked to do
they pushed fihe
Having this type of
is approach na information v
rauld be second
synergy was goad He said with t
hand Playing telephone was a hard game to play
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Page 38
Planning Manager
Jehnsen
confirmed
members did attend the Bhel Beach
Counci
lair
shire said
they
Planning Manager
also Bhe said
invite
rith
v
embers to
n
City Counci
from
public
Bchiro
that
a
fear
City
Improvement group meetings
Jehnsen said she had been
someone
Mr
the
meeting
assigned
to go to the
rorks also attended the
meetings
meetings
t
eras a
very open group
rsohire said
ill
engineers
Chairman
and
they had
a
government
C Trans
real
asked
sorgenfrei
representative in the
estate right
gay brokers
of
Community Development
group They also had
in the group
director B
oorn for
some
direction
or Bloerr said he thought the Bhell Beach
Conr
u
r
nity Develo
rnent irec
vuas
Improvement group
really beneficial for a consultant to stark Frith The
rou give the consultant their benchmark goals
v
s the consultant
group d
the
vuould
it
back
to
the
Bhell Beach
developed
plan he
periodically bring
rith
Improvement Croup to see if he eras on track If the plan rere developed u
this ongoing communication in place it vou
d avoid the situation vtirhere the
vould be drafting something in a political vacuumto a certain extent
consultant
chairman
orgenfrei said this approach mould actually save the City money
rork over again the consultant could meet
doing al the background Cev
vuith the Bhell Beach Improverr
ent group to get this background He had seen
situations vhere if one person v
rho had been doing something for years could
had briefed
consultant they
ave been I
rould 1
rght years ahead on a project
Instead of
Mr schiro said this
point cane up in their meeting the night before
goo ofthe Bhell Beach Improvement group was notto duplicate but
omrnisiener Andersen said the best rork he had
as
consultant did not
contrary
to
to create
vuith consultants
vas
there
community gave the consultant an initial
rhere
the
Vith this direction the
to
community vanted to ga l
rhen the client
direction
seen
He said the
vuhat
bers of the
mer
in v
rith
came
the
ould be completely
crazy scheme that v
granted to achieve
The Bhell Beach
same
community
could provide a filter to the consultant The BBI
group
BBIC
rripravement
could put together 5 key elements v
ith con
ents frarn their group and present
r
these to the consultant
the
City
thoughtthis vuas
said he
This rou
d increase cost
efficiency and the group and
experkise and creativity He
BBI
vuas doing a great job
rould have the benefit of the consultant
v
s
a
great
idea and thatthe
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Mr
chirp said this
vas
the model
rere trying to
they
missioner Anderson said that
Cvnr
the
gaol
eras
great
c
Cv
Miranda
asked
staff to
Improvement group
charge people
noticed that they rere a non
profit and
for
to
authority
charge
voting
could
yDevelopment
unit
Comm
to be
the read from the
a
clarify
voting
asked
then to
keep
up
hog
the
member
shell
Beach
the said she
if this status gave her the
Director Bloom said this
issioner o Miranda referenced
n
Can
vas
correct
aa
g
executive summary
r
p arag ra p h The g raup gill seek to achieve these g owls b Y
recommendations to the Pismo Beach pity council and by other means
the asked if these recommendations
Mr
encouraged
uvork
Cvrnmissioner
making
and
achieve
rere
only from
the
paying
bers
en
rr
chira said the shell Beach
Improvement gaup vas a 50
public benefit
He said there v
ere membership dues involved because they did have
group
some overhead as any group rould have
All parkicipants rr
ay comment on
d vote on certain
anything t the meetings Fie said only paid members cau
items on the agenda
ionerCox Miranda asked if the recommendations that
Cornmis
d be from the group
group vau
Mr
as a
rhvle paying
r
chirp said the recommendations vou
d
The recommendations
All the
from that
input
paying participants
could be
meeting
agendized
could
come
d
ar
came
out of the
paying
non
from the group as a vtirhole
items and they d
rou be voted on
v
came
Pram anyone
Commissioner Cvx Miranda confirmed that
they
paying
voted
an
bers or
mer
each item
non
an
the
agenda
Mr
ohiro said this vas correct
Cox
Commissioner
Miranda
asked
if
public
ment
can
eras
taken
into
consideration
Mr
chirp said
public
as al
cammentv
vays taken into consideration
omrnissianer fox Miranda said she uvanted to
meant
by
and
by
other means
clarify
this
the asked v
hat it
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Mr
chYro said these other
cQUld
means
be letter
their recommendations to the
communicating
grant to limit their communication to the
make recommendations to the
Planning
vuriting
Cit Council
r
pity Council The group
Commission orto staff
miaioner Cox liran
n
C
asaid she u
anted to make
the
Plan
She
loved
proposed Specific
transporkatian trolley and the planned route
Park
She said the parknership v
rith Pert
on
excellent
other gays of
they did not
or
He said
the
might
general
incorporation of
some
rant to
v
comments
the
public
from Avila Beech to Dinosaur Cave
San Luis and the
County
vas
an
She said it d
rou be very imporkant to make sure that the
v
items of the Shell Beach Read improvement rere done
component
phasing of the
appropriately sa
conflicts
She
that
one
item
eras
not done before the other
This v
ould avoid
c calrr
very sensitive to the bus stop raff
rrrg and bike lane
issues and e
he needed to be evaluated very closely one item she did not
support
in the
General
Plan
vas
proposal
eras
calling
the
called i Shell Beach
Shell Beach
area
and She
1 Beach
reference in the General Plan that called it the
ras
v
subordinate to the General Plan
village
Specific Plan to refer to Shell Beech as a village or the
preference not to see that and to stick Frith the general
Shell Beach and it
Rued
She said
She did not think it
She said the
village
There
vas
no
Plan
Specific
appropriate for this
d be her
village t utirou
Plan Historically it eras
a
uvas
rhat everyone knev
v
rt should remain She
I Beach The
mind
Grande
and
it
seemed
like a very
to
village concept brought
Arrvya
kv title to give to Shell Beach
a
ard
lUlr
chirp said
eras
theyvrould take
Ccnsaid
misianeraage
a
great
idea
Shell Beech
involvement made their job
r
ll
chin said the
he
this into consideration
thought community
vuas a
so
beautiful
part
involvement of this kind
of the
City
and
getting
was
citizen
much easier
the other side of the
the
Bhell
they looked
Improvement group
orgenfrei
Beach
said
Johnson that he rould
ay connection from
freev
r ohiro said this
Chairman
on
eras
really
like to
his hawse to
rard to
for
Ho
see an
said
vorking
he tall
ry
ree
had
really
1 Beach The tax base for that park of Shell Beach had
impacted that park of She
years The group granted to get input frorr this
highly increased in the last
ere very viable to their city
park of the comaunity He said those items v
Chairman
development
Frith Ilr Schiro and
Planning
ray or
under the free
1 Beach
he
park oftheir plan
i
orenfr
said it vould be
greatforthe
businesses
onager
ever the
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lr Bchiro said it could
i1
certainly
be
more
pedestrian friendly
People
v
y from the other side of the freev
driving al the a
ay to the post office
be so much easierto hop overthe freeway via bicycle or
vay
valk
Chairman
argenfrei said rhen he uvas biking
across the freeway his thought vas it rou
d be so
h
v
en
he
had
ridden
a
fair
distance
He
especially
and
v
sa
his house
nice
ere
v
It v
ould
directly
just to go straight
said shell Beach had
across
always
inded him of the old Corona Del Mar in southern California He remembered
rer
hog
alk to one of the
get up on a Saturday morning and v
restaurants along the strip on Pacific Coast H
y to have breakfast He said
Corona Del Mar had also once been a community of smaller secondary homes
for people living in the valleys near kos Angeles T
he city had gone through the
same evolution from smaller secondary homes to larger homes
He said it vas a
shame that the City had lost this ability to walk places shell Beach Elerraentary
uvas designed so kids could walk to school Which ire this day just didn
t happen
He said it v
ould be great to restore that ity
with
businesses
ralkabi
v
serving not
only the residents but also visitors He said he thoughttheyv
eregetting there
great
it
eras
to
Ir chiro said the
I
hell Beach
of the
neighborhood sensitivity
rhere the idea of the village
improvement Croup
He said it
area
came
about because it
Vice Chairman Burnes said he had referred to it
that he has lived here
He asked Pau if it had
rB
I
hiro said shell Basch
taken in
vuas
eras a
the
as
arrays
by
very sensitive to the
neighborhood This vas
vas
was a
the
neighborhood
village
for the 7 years
been that vay
City
of Pismo Beach at
one
time
Mice Chairman Burnes
said
they
had the
and the Palisades and fit
village
And rears
lr Bchirv said it had the
Bluffs
same
zip
code
different little enclaves all the v
ay
Commissioner Andersen said
There
vtiras
the Palisades and the
through
d
underpass although it night attract a crov
at
ar
an
for
overpass
safety
night
pedestrians eras
then he gent on the Mattie Read underpass as a pedestrian it
challenging experience
an
that rouldn
tbe conducive to
a
great
eras
idea
rays
a
a
lair Bch
ra said he
Point
thought
there
gas an
overpass
aver
the
ray
free
in Dana
pity of Pismo
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Tuesday July
Beach
Minutes
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Page
oe
11
an Buries said
rm
ha
there
connected the hotels to the beach
gas
also
He said
one
they
in
Huntington
Baach that
cauld check pith them to find
aut the cost of that overpass
r
N
ohiro said dal Trans
each side
eras
anticipating expanding
He said this vould
be the time
the
He said
free to
ray
they had
lanes
on
lane their
uork
home
hairmn
4
frei
rger
thanked Mr Bchiro far his
presentation
reotar comments
D
oorn said the coastal ammissian eras
community Develaprner
t Director B
X007
meeting at tha Embassy suites in Ban Luis bispa an 1ednesday July 1
hold
ravievu
The
valk
Beach
Hotel
that
rere
to
a
to
They
going
public hearing
them
He
said
had
bean
that
far
about
vas appealed by
fihey
vorking on
appeal
rnission vould hear this item sometime in the
orr
a year Ha anticipated that the
afkernaan He said they had an item in Cayucos and a cauple Laval aastal Plan
amendments for the bounty The Beach
rlk Hotel vas scheduled after that He
said if anyone uvas curious and granted to see hoer the coastal commission
operated they should feel free to attend this meeting He said the meeting rauld
be held in
one
chairman
of tha
Large pavilion
orgenfrei ad
aurned
roams
the
meeting
at 9
m
p
ysubmitted
aspectful
Claudia Hartman
Minutes clerk
Minutes
approved
as
revised
isio
by the Pla
g or
nn
on
July 4
r
ng
chair Mark Burnes
Aftet
Elsa
Perez Admin
tive cretry
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