Journal - North West Kent Family History Society

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NORTH WEST KENT
FAMILY HISTORY
HIC EST WADARD (see page 7 )
Vol9 No 1
March 2001
NORTH WEST KENT FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY
Registered Charity No.282627
Founded 1978
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Founded 1978
Registered Charity NO.282627
Member of the Federation of Family History Societies
PRESIDENT
June. Biggs
VICE PRESIDENTS: Jean Stirk, Stella Szachnowski, Guy Nevill, David Cufiey,
Susan Pittman & Joan Field.
COMMITTEE
Chairman:
Ken Lee, Ryarsh Crescent, Orpington, Kent, BR6 9SG
Vice Chairman: Waiter Eves, 11 Cliftonville Ave .,Cliftonville, Kent, CT92AJ
Treasurer :
Bob Woodward, 25 St Francis Ave, Gravesend , DA12 4SY
Secretary :
Stella Rhys , 6 Windermere Road , Bexleyheath, Kent DA7 6PW
Journal Editor:
Stella Baggaley, Saddlers House, High St, Farningham , DA40DT
Computer Branch Post Vacant
Tape Library :
Post Vacant
Exchange Journals:Bob Woodward (see above)
Librarian:
Audrey Rainer, 82 Plantation Road , Hextable, Swanley, BR8 7SB
Publicity:
Post Vacant
Minutes Sec
Audrey Rainer, (see above)
Projects:
Waiter Eves, (see above)
Publications:
Maureen Fearn, 1a Knoll Road , Sidcup, DA14 40T
Bromley rep :
Ron AnthonY,2 Perry House,Chislehurst Rd,Sidcup, DA14 6BE
Dartford rep :
Audrey Rainer,82 Plantation Rd ,Hextable,Swanley, BR8 7SB
Sevenoaks rep : Lynn Marsh,25 Broomfield Road , Sevenoaks, TN13 3EL
THE OBJECTIVES of the Society are to encourage and aid the study of family
history, genealogy and heraldry in S.E. London and N.W. Kent.
MEMBERSHIP of the Society costs £8 .00 per year (individual);£10.00 for family
membership (two or more persons at the same address receiving one copy of the
Journal). The subscription year is 1st January to 31 st December. Four journals are
issued per year, March, June, September and December.
MEMBERSHIP ENQUIRIES should be sent to the Membership Secretary: Mr Peter
Gosney, 28 Ingram Road, Dartford, Kent DA1 1JL
MEMBERSHIP RENEWALS should be sent to Mrs Maureen Griffiths, 30 Bladindon
Drive, Bexley Kent DA5 3BP
GENERAL CORRESPONDENCE on Society matters should be addressed to the
Secretary (address above).
THE SOCIETY'S HOME PAGE
http://users.ox.ac.uk/-malcolm/NWKFHS
NORTH WEST K~NT FAMILY HISTORY is a quarterly journal produced and
published by the North West Kent Family History Society. The contents may not be
reproduced without permission of the Editor
© North West Kent Family History Society 2001
Printed by Kentec Design & Print Ltd., Snodland, Kent
NORTH WEST KENT FAMILY HISTORY
Vol 9, No 1 March
Editor Stella Baggaley, Saddlers House, High St, Farningham , DA4 ODT
CONTENTS
Your Society Needs you
Stella Ryhs
Bob Woodward
Data Protection Act 1998
Stella Baggaley
From the Editors Desk
Letters to the Editor
Computing Corner
Millennium Village Sign
Francis Wynne
Finding Dublin Ancestors
Peter Staples
Oh What a Tangled Web
Ron Anthony
Serendipity
Cyril Alexander
An Ordinary Person
Sylvia Hammond
E-mail of the Future
Duane Lee Jones
My Early Kent Ancestors
N.W. Kent Policemen -1899
June Biggs
Pat Manning
Emma's Letter
Society Matters
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•••••• FUTURE PROGRAMME ••••••
All members are welcome at any of the venues.
BROMLEY
April 20
AGM + Thames sailing barges in their heyday Tony Farnham
May 18
Ecclesiastical & Probate Records
Duncan Harrington
June 15
Dating Old Photographs
Jean Debney
Meetings will be held at Bromley Civic Centre, Rochester Ave, Bromley, Kent and the doors
are open from 7.15pm. Why not allow plenty of time to browse at the Bookstall and in the
Society's Library before and after the talk, which normally begins at 8.00pm. We are open
until10.00pm.
DARTFORD
April 7
Records of Methodists
Richard Ratcliffe
May 5
Holdings of Lewisham Local History Library Jean Wait
June 2
The Lesness Abbey story
Roger McKenna
Meetings will be held at Dartford Grammar School for Girls, Shepherds Lane, Dartford and
start at 10.30am. The hall will be open from 10am to 12.30pm. Please come early if you are
seeking help with your family history.
SEVENOAKS
April 26
Research at the PRO
Joyce Hoad
Guildhall Library
Irene Gilchrist
May 18
June 28
The War without an Enemy
Audrey Gillett
Meetings will be held at Sevenoaks Community Social Club, Otford Road, Sevenoaks and
start at 8pm. The Library and Bookstall will be open from 7pm so do come early if you can.
COMPUTER BRANCH
April 3
What's a Bot? - guide to Internet searches
May 1
L.D.S Companion
June 5
Publishing Family History using - Word, Page Plus & Publisher
This meeting will be in a hall that holds only 70 people therefore space will be limited for one
meeting only
Meetings will be held at The Small Hall, Crofton Halls Orpington 7.45pm -10.15pm
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YOUR SOCIETY NEEDS YOU
The time for the AGM is upon us and the call must go out for some new
blood to join the Society Committee. This friendly group meets eight to nine times
per year in each other's homes.
Ken Lee will be standing down from the role of Chairman . He took the
helm when the Society had been without a Chairman for a year and has guided the
Society for the past two years. The Chairman works with the Vice Chair sharing
the duties and activities between them.
Our hobby is made much easier by indexes produced by FHSs. Records
have to be transcribed, indexed , typed up and checked. The role of Projects Officer
is to manage and co-ordinate these activities , leading to production and possible
publication . The Projects Coordinator liaises with the Branch Projects Officers and
outside agencies such as Local Studies Archivists . Waiter Eves will be standing for
Chairman and , if elected, giving up as Proiects Co-ordinator and Vice Chairman .
Once again we appeal for a Publicity Co-ordinator. Individual Branches
deal with localised publicity such as notices in libraries and articles in local press.
However, the Society needs someone who is willing to publicise the Society more
widely by organising and attending approximately five Family History Fairs per year
and organise the group of volunteers who regularly attend these events.
Audrey Rainer has been the Minutes Secretary for the last two years but,
since taking on the post of Society Librarian, she wishes to stand down . Do you
have experience of attending executive meetings or have secretarial skills enabling
you to express in a few words what has been said at meetings?
Advance warning. I will be standing down as Honorary Secretary in
2002, having completed six years in post. It would be preferable if a volunteer
could come forward before the 2002 AGM so that we could work together, enabling
a smooth take-over.
If you are interested in any of the posts above, please talk to any of the
Committee members or Vice Presidents. Also, please contact me if you would like
a written job description.
Stella Ryhs Hon. Secretary
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DATA PROTECTION ACT 1991
Statement by the Society
The Society keeps its Membership Data , including members
names and addresses , on computer systems . This Data is used only by the
Society's officers and taskholders in the course of their duties and is not
divulged to any third party.
However participation by a Member in the 'Members Interests'
scheme, assumes tacit approval by the Member of the publication of their
Data details in the Journal and other Society publications. Such publication
places the Data in the Public Domain , since the Society Publications are
circulated to some Public Libraries and other Family History organisations,
both in the UK and overseas.
If any Member objects to the storage and use of their Data as
described above they should write to the Society stating their objection.
Effect of Data Protection Act 1998 on Individual Family Historians
The Data Protection Commissioner, whose address is Wycliffe House,
Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire, SK9 5AF , administers the Act. Tel No:
01625545745. Website: www.dpr.gov.uk
The 1998 Act arises from a European Union Directive and came
into force on 1st March 2000 and superseded the 1984 Act. In its new scope
it includes Data kept in any 'relevant filing system', which can mean manual
as well as computer systems . It applies only to Data on 'living persons'.
Problems can arise if Data is transferred to a Third Party.
It is not possible to explain the Act in a few words, members are
advised to visit the Website for more information. The FFHS also publishes
a booklet: Data Protection Act 1998 - Guidance Notes for Famity History
Societies and their Members.
R F Woodward - Treasurer
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Stella 8aggaley
FROM THE EDITOR'S DESK
Well we have now finally
considered it to have occurred on
consider ourselves to be in the 21 st
eventful century as the last with
beyond our wildest dreams.
passed the Millennium whether you
1.1.2000 or 1.1.2001 so we can now
century. I am sure that it will be an as
far-reaching technological advances
I have not had any new contributions for the Journal since
September and although I have got some articles on the 20th Century still to
use I would be grateful for some new material. Otherwise the journal in
September will consist of Society matters only. PLEASE all of you out there,
and the membership is growing, put your thinking caps on and write
something. Articles on little known sources, and how you have used them,
solving problems i.e. how you found that elusive great grandma , interesting
jobs that ancestors had and many more subjects that members would find
interesting.
We were all devastated to hear of the sudden death of Tony Field
who many of you will remember for his technological wizardry and
unstinting efforts for the Society he will be sadly missed.
LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
Dear Stella,
I just wanted to write and congratulate you and everyone involved
in the December 2000 Journal. I always enjoy reading the journal but I
found this one especially interesting. I am currently trying to persuade my
grandmother to regale me of tales of her life during the war years, so I can
tape them for posterity.
I would also like to say how impressed I was when I logged on to
the Society's web site for the first time. It was really great to be able to call
up information on the parishes I was interested in and also to actually see
photos of the parish churches. I am a member of five societies but I think
that your web site is about the best that I have found .
Sue
Maggs,65
Gladstone
[email protected]
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Dear Stella,
Although no strictly Family History, 1939 - 1945 Air Raids in North
West Kent were a background to many dramatic family events, and the
following may be of interest to readers. It was a most unexpected event,
and certainly brought back memories to me. While walking near Otford
Station on Sunday 26 November, I heard a familiar sound ; it was an Air
Raid Siren sounding the Air Raid Warning! When the drone had died down
( its ending being characteristically long-drawn-out ), there was a pause and
then it sounded the All Clear. The time was 12 O'clock mid-day, and clearly
this was a sort of test, perhaps for Civil Defence purposes , but it was still
evocative. It has an industrial archaeology aspect too; there are not many
pieces of WW2 technology, which have survived , fully operational, for about
60 years.
Mr F Adkin, 5 Cosway Mansions, Cosway Street, London NW1 6UE
To the Editor,
Wishing all members of the Committee a Very Happy New Year
and thanks for their time and energy producing the journals.
Phyl/is Coppins nee Lovel/, 3 Frognal/ Gardens, Teynham, Sittingbourne,ME9 9SB
Dear Mrs Griffiths,
I do look forward to receiving the journals and greatly appreciate all
the hard work that goes into the printing of it etc.
I especially like the articles as I am housebound so cannot venture
further than the front door of my bungalow and the articles give me much to
dwell on .
Very best wishes to all for 2001.
Evelyn Terry, 7 Dodds Close,Attleborough, Norfolk, NR17 2HJ
( Extract from letter written to Maureen Griffiths with a renewal)
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COMPUTING CORNER
Some interesting sites that I have come across
Try the mailing lists offered by Roots web http://www.rootsweb.com
Genforum http://genforum.genealogy.com
This is a great site for posting messages for names you are interested in
and reading the messages that have already been posted this is arranged
by Surname.
The BMD Exchange web site http://www.ukbdmexchange.org.uk
for information from certificates, indicate if they are unwanted.
Genealogy sources for Kent http://home.thezone.netl-mrawson
Maps on line http://www.streetmap.co.uk and http://uk2.multimap.com
Northern Ireland Database
http://www.uhp.org.uk/genealogy/interestlist.htm
BBC History Online http://www.bbc.co.uk/history
BBC Message Board
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgibin/forums/cgi?pg=forum&&fid=730
The BBC History site has recently begun a message board/online forum for
users. and now includes a family history topic. They would like members to
participate whatever their experience.
English Origins from SOG http://www.origins.netinformation from
Geoffrey T Stone, SoG Mailing List Administrator [email protected]
OUR OWN DEDICATED MAILING LIST
Denise Rason
On 29th Jan 2001 we had 147 members subscribed to the ordinary
mailing list. Another 32 are subscribed to the Digest mode. Digest mode is
when several postings are combined and sent together as a single large
message, which is sometimes preferred by people who receive a lot of
emails . Between May 5th last year, when the first message was posted to
the list, we have had over 560 messages posted .
If you are not sure what an e-mail list is and whether you will find it
of interest, why not subscribe, it is free . If you decide that it is not for you
can unsubscribe quite easily. You will receive a message when you join
telling you how to do this
To subscribe, just send an e-mail to [email protected] that contains the word 'subscribe' and your
membership number in the text and put 'subscribe' in the subject line.
It is possible for anyone to search the archived messages on
http://lists.rootsweb.com/indexlintllENG/ENG-KENT-NWKFHS.html
Denise Rason [email protected]
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MILLENNIUM VILLAGE SIGN FOR FARNINGHAM
Hie ESTVVADARD - Here is W'lq'lrq
This sign is based on an illustration in the Bayeaux Tapestry thought to be
of Wadard. Wadard is known, from entries
in the Domesday Book, to have been
granted lands in and around Farningham
by William I. An illustration of Wadard is
on the front cover of this edition of the
journal.
'Wadard holds} sulung in FARNINGHAM
from the Bishop ( of Bayeaux ). Land for 3
ploughs. In lordship 2 ploughs, with 1
villager, 2 cottagers and 5 slaves.
} mill at 5s; meadow, 4 acres; woodland, 5
pigs. Apart from that } sulung Wadard
holds } yoke in the same village which
never was exempt ( from tax) to the King.'
From Domesday Book - Kent ed John
Morris pub. Phillimore 1983
FINDING THE DUBLIN ANCESTORS
Francis Wynne
The Dublin Evening Herald newspaper recently published an item
about the Corporation Public Libraries which are implementing a project to
help people with Dublin connections to trace their origins back to the 18th
century. The project involves inputting more than one million records onto a
database. The Dublin Heritage group are currently inputting information
from the local parish registers. The Heritage group are also training
unemployed people to help with the project. No operational date was given
but a member of the group, Rita EDWARDS, is commencing a series of
talks on the subject in their Central Library.
Franc Wynne 39 St Georges Road Petts Wood BR5 IJB
[email protected]
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"OH, WHAT A TANGLED WEB"
Peter Staples
I suppose I was influenced at an early age to believe that I had Irish
ancestry. At about the age of 10, and on two separate occasions , complete
strangers asked me if I was Irish. I was mystified! I knew my parents and
grandparents were English: forebears did not exist in my young mind . My
mother, however, said her family claimed a connection ; it was a notion I
harboured for years.
Twenty years later I began to be interested in family history. One of
my first objectives was to investigate our Irish lineage. So, along with
names and dates, I recorded the oral traditions of the COLLlNS family.
Initially this was from my grandfather's branch; later from descendants of
his estranged brother. Both sides had similar stories. Two central themes
were that the family was related to Irish landowners, and that Michael
COLLlNS (rebel/politician) was an uncle. At that stage I was long on
stories; short on facts.
Guided by some of the information, it was relatively easy to trace
our family back more than 150 years, because they were resident in
Kingston-upon-Thames, Surrey. Although my great great grandfather,
Richard Thomas COLLlNS was born in what is now Central London about
1828, he had moved to Kingston by 1851. From then on, the rest of his
short and tragic life was fairly well documented. He married Harriet
FIELDER from a local family in 1852; they had 2 sons. The younger boy
lived only a few months, Harriet died the following year, and he died in the
workhouse infirmary in 1861. The surviving son, Richard Frederick married
Elizabeth COOK and they had 7 children. The eldest, Charles Richard was
born in 1877; their third, my grandfather, Frederick John in 1881. From
these basic facts there appears to be no direct link with Ireland since 1828
at the latest.
Discovering Michael COLLlNS' background was straightforward . It
was not necessary to study primary sources, as he has been the subject of
many books. Some of his family's history can be gleaned from them;
enough to construct a basic tree for the relevant generations. His father,
Michael John, was born in 1815, the seventh son of a seventh son. He
married Marianne O'BRIEN in 1875 when she was 20. They had 8 children
of whom Michael was the youngest; born in 1890 in Clonakilty, County
Cork. He won a 'Boy Clerkship' in the Post Office, and at the age of 15, he
came to London to work. He had several other jobs in financial
organizations before returning to Ireland in January 1916. For the majority
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of that period he lived with his sister, Johanna, in the Kensington area. He
was within 7 miles of Kingston, and yet there were no stories of him visiting
or contacting his 'close relatives', or vice versa. He was unknown then, but
subsequently he returned to London in 1921 as a very public figure - the
deputy leader of the Irish delegation to the Anglo-Irish Treaty negotiations.
Any visit then would have brought notoriety to the Kingston family. He was
killed in 1922.
The above is sufficient to establish that Michael COLLlNS was not
an uncle; any relationship between the families would have to be further
back. Could one of Michael John's older brothers, born around 1800, have
been Richard Thomas's father? The only information about the latter was
that his ·name was Richard, and his rank given on his son's marriage
certificate, was "gentleman". It would be difficult to correlate him with a poor
farmer. The Collins of Kingston also never appear to have had Catholic
affiliations.
I was intrigued to know how this story came about, and what it's
significance was in the family's history: it could not have been current until
the 1920's. At that time, widowed Elizabeth lived in Kingston, with an
'adopted' daughter. Frederick John was nearby with his wife and growing
family - 7 children born from 1913 to 1928. Charles Richard lived in the
Staines area, but he was separated from his wife; she and 3 daughters
were living in Kingston. The 3 sons stayed with their father, they were,
however, frequent visitors to the other part of the family. Charles's children
were born between 1896 and 1908. Of Elizabeth's other children, Dick
resided in Yorkshire and 3 had died.
The evidence points to the story originating in Kingston, with
Frederick John COLLlNS as it's author. He had been a student teacher and
was marvelous with children; a good storyteller, a singer of Music Hall
songs and with a wry sense of humour. In particular, members of the family
recall that he was a notorious leg-puller. He obviously knew about the
family's Irish kinsmen, also he was sympathetic to the Irish cause. Fred
must have concocted the Michael Collins story for this group of up to 13
youngsters, such were his powers a minor legend was created.
What of those stranger's comments so long ago? Probably it was
that my complexion, like that of my uncles, was similar to one of two
historically differentiated Irish types, the 'Dubh Gall' (dark stranger). That is,
fair skin, raven hair and blue eyes. It was a passing resemblance of some
of the family to Michael COLLlNS that helped perpetuate the story.
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When fantasy and wishful thinking is untangled from the other
stories, there are indications pointing to an earlier connection with Ireland.
The key person is probably Richard COLLlNS, gentleman , of whom little is
known at present. The presumptions are that he was born around 1802,
married in London in around 1827 but had died by 1837. More research is
needed to solve our Irish mystery.
Peter G Staples, 3 The Mews, Hamilton Rd, Reading, Berks RG 1 5RA
E-mail p.g.staples@reading .ac.uk
SERENDI'PITY
Ron Anthony
Can anyone beat this example of an extremely unlikely accidental
discovery?
My wife Betty's great grandfather, John Newton CROFT had a
brother Robert who we had last found in the 1871 census for Baldock,
Hertfordshire. He was born in Baldock. We had found him in the 81 ,
although there was some doubt about the entry - he had remarried and we
had not been able to find the marriage. So to the 91 , but you know the
problem , with no index just where do you begin to look? We spent a long
time looking in Baldock and surrounding parishes.
We have been helping with the Society's indexing of the 91 census,
transcribing and entering some of the Bromley parishes. Having completed
the work we offered to do some checking of other's work and was given
one fiche of RG 628, part of Bromley, chosen , we assume, quite randomly.
A short time before this, and because my name is given in the
Journal as the Bromley rep, we received a letter from a Society member in
Surrey, asking if we could help with information about a pub in Farwig Lane,
Bromley, called the 'The Farwig' . We did not know of Farwig Lane.
However, we were able to go to there, see the 'The Farwig', and provide the
information requested.
A few days later we were checking some of the Bromley area
census on the fiche we had been given and noticed that we were looking at
Farwig Lane, quite a coincidence we thought, in view of the above. In
Farwig Lane we also came across a Robert CRAFT, but we decided that
the transcriber/enterer had got it wrong and that it should be CROFT, not
CRAFT. Nothing unusual in that, but it was the Robert's second forename
that caught our eye. He was named Robert Brumby CROFT and his place
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of birth was given as Baldock, Herts. The combination of Brumby and
Baldock was the clincher. Robert's grandmother was an Ann Brumby. Yes
this was our lost Robert Brumby CROFT, who had been living only a few
miles from where we are now.
If we had not volunteered to do some checking; if we had not been
allocated that particular fiche; if we hadn't found a possible error in the
transcriber's work; if we hadn't been written to about the'Farwig '. If Robert
Brumby CROFT had not chosen to move from Baldock to Bromley, and to
live in Farwig Lane . That is really serendipitous!
Ron Anthony, 2 Perry House, Chis/ehurst Road, Sidcup, DA 14 68
MOVING IN WITH THE IRISH ANCESTORS
Francis Wynne
A recent article in The Irish Mirror tells of a homeless man in Tuam
Co Galway who broke into a 600-year old tomb. Historians and councilors
were horrified to find that the man had dumped all the 600-year old bones
in a town dustbin. The tomb marks the place, where local people believe
the town was founded more than 1,500 years ago by the Celtic Christian St
Jarlath. Temple Jarlath is the place where St Jarlath is believed to have
broken one of his chariot wheels , influencing him to found a settlement
which later became the capital of Ireland for a short time during the rule of
the O'Connor kings. The graveyard also contains the graves of the areas
earliest settlers.
HIDING FROM THE ENGLISH ANCESTORS
Francis Wynne
An item in another newspaper was about the Parochial Church
Council in Stanmore Nth London . They are trying to trace the descendants
of the "owners" of three listed buildings in the graveyard of St John the
Evangelist church in Stanmore. An obelisk monument to Philip JACKSON
dated 1779, the urn tomb of Mary WOOD dated 1760 and an 18th century
chest tomb are in need of repair at a cost of £18 ,800. The council has
asked Westminster and Central Middlesex FHS to track down the families
descendants so that they can be billed for the cost of the work.
Franc
Wynne
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[email protected]
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AN ORDINARY 'ERSON
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Cyril Alexander
I was born 1st March, 1918 at 15 Rosebery Road , Clapham Park
SW4, just a stones throw from Brixton Prison , from and not in , in spite of an
ancestor's murky past. ( great great grandfather was , transported in 1828!)
My parents were hard working , father an electrician , mother worked
when possible as a dressmaker, telephonist and had worked in a cigarette
factory when they were hand made. Three brothers and I added to the work
load , no washing machine, dish washer, vacuum cleaner everything was
done by muscle power, and no fridge .
School started for me at the age of 4 at New Park Elementary
School , New Park Road, being off the top of Brixton Hill, leaving at the age
of 14, ( the school is now known as Richard Atkins School ). At school the
games that I remember playing :A top with a piece of string wound around it would be thrown hard
at the ground whilst holding onto the free end of the string . This would
impart a spin to the top and the aim of your opponent was to hit your top
and split it and you took turns to throw first.
A fag-card was placed at an angle to a wall and your opponent
flicked his card to try and knock it down and so win the card, "knocksy
down". A card was flicked as near as possible to the wall , without touching ,
then your opponent flicked his card further, still not touching the wall
winning the card, " flickems the furthest" . Finally a card is flicked on top of
another wins the card, " on topsy" . Five stone cubes , or pebbles, were
thrown on the ground one was picked up and thrown in the air and caught
while at the same time trying to pick up one, then two , three and finally four.
A team of about four would bend over behind a leader who was
bent over with his hands against the wall , another team would jump on
their backs and try to make them collapse. If they failed the Benders would
call out " Jump Jimmy Knacker, Jump Jimmy Knacker, Jump Jimmy
Knacker, one two three, all over, all over, all over" and the teams changed
places.
On Empire Day all classes had to march around the playground
and pass a Union Flag , all children dressed in their Sunday best, if you had
any!
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The teachers as far as I remember were strict but fair, one was
very gentle ( Mr BARNES ) he had had a brother killed beside him in WW1.
Mr UNDERHILL, who was also in WW1, would relate horrific incidents as
November 11 approached. At the time I left school my teacher was Mr
OXFORD ( Dicky), he was quite short and had a strong right arm when he
was administering the cane, which was deserved and we bore no grudge.
New Park Road School c 1932 now Richard Atkins School. I am sitting by
left elbow of Mr OXFORD
Tradesmen would come round the streets. The Muffin Man with a
tray of muffins balanced on his head, and ringing a bell and calling out
"Muffins". The Milkman pulled a cart loaded with two churns of milk, which
was measured out by the pint into the customer's jug. The baker also pulled
a cart loaded with loaves of bread. Cat's Meat Man who would drop the
meat on a skewer through the letterbox. The Rag and Bone Man, usually in
fact two men with a horse and cart. While the horse plodded along a well
known route the two men called out "Bone" from opposite pavements one
in a high voice and the other a low voice. The Coal Man would tip bags of
coal through the coalhole in the pavement into the cellar below, usually with
the customer counting the bags. The coal man wore a leather cover over
his shoulders and a large leather hat with a piece extending down over the
back of his head to protect his neck. Undertakers used
horse drawn
hearses, the horses were all black with plumes on their heads. Passers!by
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would stop and remove their hats, as a mark of respect for the dead, as the
hearse went past.
On Wednesday afternoons we used to go to Emmanuel Road
School. near Tooting Bec Common for woodwork lessons and on Friday
mornings to Lyham Road School for swimming. During the summer
holidays, some of us would go off with a sandwich ( sugar) and water or
lemonade to Tooting Bec Common to climb the trees, do some
blackberrying or fish for 'tiddlers'. When my parents could afford it we would
have a week at Ramsgate. During my teens a pal and I would cycle to
Tooting Bec Common swimming pool, small and not heated with no
showers and the changing area was a bench the length of the pool. When
mixed bathing was introduced a canvas screen was stretched the length of
the pool in front of the bench! There was no filtration plant and when the
pool was emptied for cleaning once a year the bottom, covered with green
slime, tins, bottles and even bicycle wheels, would be revealed.
At 14 I started work. My first job was pedalling a bicycle around
Streatham delivering clothes for a dry cleaners, an awful job. I also worked
as a van boy for the South Suburban Co-op Society at Acre Lane Brixton,
moving after a while to the dispatch department where I made up grocery
orders and served behind the counter. In those days eggs were put into
paper bags and most goods were weighed out by hand. The ham and
bacon were cut from large pieces and butter and cheese from a big block.
Later I went to Aerolite Piston Co at Vauxhall, grinding piston rings and then
worked as an electrician's mate from 8.00 am to 6.00 pm.
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When I was 15 my pal and I joined the 2nd City of London
Regiment, the Royal Fusiliers TA at Balham High Road. The Sergeant
asked my age and when I replied 15 he said" Too young, but if I could say
16 he would get his shilling" so I said I was 16 and we were both happy. We
would proudly march down Balham High Road, behind a brass band with
drums and pipes. to the railway station on the way to summer camp.
In 1938 my family moved to Kent, near Sidcup, so I had to leave
the Fusiliers, however after a couple of weeks mooching around with no
pals I joined the 207 Battalion of the 58 th Kent HAA, RA TA at Sidcup. We
were called up 'during the 1938 crisis and stationed at Denton near
Gravesend ( WW1 3" guns if you please). In 1939 the AA were mobilised
for a month due to the European situation, our Regiment was called up in
August and of course was declared while we were mobilised so my month
became virtually 6 years!!
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During the first three years of the war I served at various gun sites
in Kent ( during the Battle of Britain at Iwade where we saw plenty of
action). I also served in South Wales, Tewkesbury, Gloucester,
Weybourne, Swindon etc, etc. I spent some weeks as a drill instructor and
as a Regimental Gunnery Instructor both of these were nice little jobs.
In November 1942 I was posted to the Royal Military Academy at
Woolwich and granted 7 days embarkation leave. During that time my girl
and I got married by special licence ( cost 7s 6d ) at St Lawrences Sidcup.
We had a white wedding with flowers, one car and a reception of sorts ( a
little extra rations and drink ), and we had a wonderful four days
honeymoon in Bournemouth despite the barbed wire and tank traps on the
beach .
At midnight on the 14 December 1942 our draft RFWHF marched
to Woolwich, entrained, pulled into Liverpool and embarked on H M
Troopship 'Orian'. A troopship during war time has to be experienced to
know what it is like. On the 17 December we put to sea, stopping first at
Freetown for 2 days, then on to Durban where we arrived on the 18 January
1943 and leaving there on HMT ' Ekma' arriving in Bombay on the 20
February. From Bombay my travels took me to Mhow, Mehgaon, where we
trained Sepoys on AA artillery, had 10 days leave in Jubbulpore in
temperatures of 126 F, then on to Calcutta by troop train, another eye
opener! Our Battery, 32/11 th Indian Artillery occupied various gun sites
around Calcutta, we also had a spell guarding the American Super Fortress
airfields, they were the big boys flying to Japan on bombing raids.
In April I had the shock of my life when my name was drawn for 28
days Blighty leave. We started our journey on 3 May on the troopship HMT
'Christian Huygen' and had a marvellous 28 days leave including 2 weeks
at Carfax pension at St Lawrence near Ventnor LO .W. I travelled back to
India on HMT 'Tege/berg' finally rejoining my unit on the 26 August, so for
28 days leave I travelled for almost 4 months!
On the 20 October 1945 I received a cable from my brother Monte
ALEXANDER an RN Lieutenant stationed in Ceylon adviSing me that
another brother Leslie ALEXANDER RAF, was in hospital in Bangalore
after spending 3~ years as a prisoner of the Japanese. Monte and I got 7
days leave and we all met for a wonderful reunion.
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Our unit had changed over
to Field Artillery and we moved to
Secunerabad, where on the 20
November
1945
I
received
movement orders for
Demob.
Travelling back to Bombay we
embarked on HMT
, Strathaird' where conditions were
much better as I was now a Warrant
Office ( Battery Sgt. Major ),1 shared
a cabin with 3 other warrant Officers
and was able to use the facilities of
the 1st Class lounge, I still have the
Christmas Menu . The 'Strathaird'
docked at Southampton at 11 .00
hours on 30 December 1945. The
next day we travelled to Guildford
and after 6 eventful years I was a
ciwy again complete with suit, shirt, tie, shoes and socks, hat, ration cards
and most importantly three months paid leave and ration allowance.
Since the war I have had two main jobs, one as a storekeeper and
later in the office for an electrical contractor and the other as a bought
ledger manager for a Hydro Electric firm. Both jobs were very demanding
but interesting jobs. In April 1983 I retired with a truly wonderful send off
which lasted a week.
My wife and I have travelled widely especially since our children , a
boy and a girl, were off hand . We travelled through different areas of
France for about 25 years crossing into Spain on one occasion and Italy
another. We have enjoyed many package holidays to Spain , Italy, Malta,
Corsica, Crete, Majorca, Minorca etc. For my 70 th birthday we had a trip to
India this time staying in ex Maharajah's palaces and the Taj Mahal hotel in
Bombay. We have taken a coach trips across the U.S.A and Canada, been
to Bangkok, Hong Kong and Singapore. Whilst we were in Bangkok we
visited the Railway of Death where my brother Leslie was POW for about a
year before being sent back to Changi in Singapore. Our daughter and
family live in California and we have visited them on a number of occasions.
Unfortunately my health is such that I have to be content to enjoy my
memories and confine my activities to some motoring and a twice weekly
swim.
Cyril Alexander, 43 The Cherry Orchard, Ha dlo w, Tonbridge, TN11 OHU
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Subj: E-Mail from the FUTURE
Sylvia Hammond
Date: 01/04/2103 18:20:32
From : [email protected] (3xg grand dau)
To : [email protected] (3Xg grand son)
Hi, Bruwer! Since the funeral I've had a busy time sorting out and clearing
up at Mum's house - such a sad business - how we shall miss her. Among
her things I came across a box of dog-eared old files, which I remember
seeing 40yrs. ago, when I was 10yrs old. It contained the family tree and
memoirs of MUM'S 2XG.Gran , Sylvia HAMMOND, dated 1998. Problem is ,
it's deteriorated much more and I don't know what to do with it - it's totally
illegible, now. The handwritten parts in ball-point pen have faded to nil , the
paper is foxed and crumbling. Poor dear, she obviously even learned, in her
old age, to use what, to her, would have been, a new-fangled machine, the
computer, to classify and condense parts of it. But she'd put all the
printouts into wallets, which pulled the ink off the paper, into a blurred mass
on the plastic. I know it's 100+ years old , but there seems no point in
keeping it if we can't read it - or even decipher enough to transcribe it on
our Laser-techno-scripter. Then there's the old Bibles and things - falling to
bits, all powdery and stinking of age and acid - the fumes make me cough
- shall I just chuck the lot? Let me know soon; the skip for all the rubbish
is due to be collected next Friday. Love Sis
2001
Could YOU bear to think of this happening to the fruits of your
labours? After all the hundreds of letters you have typed or penned. The
hours of back-aching lifting of tomes in St. Cath's and the F.R.C. The footslogging between car parks and R.O.s or libraries, usually endless, raindrenched distances apart. The eye-strain from peering at blurred microfilm, the headache-inducing strain of planning out irregular family trees and
coordinating all the notes into a 'History' - could YOU bear to think of it
being conSigned to a skip? 200 years is the very least you'd want it to last...
So preservation has to be high on your agenda, and not to be skimped on
financially, otherwise you might just as well have not started on this hobby
in the first place.
Words like: polypropylene, acid free, foxing, archival quality, lignin,
disintegration - chase around in our heads. Never fear! Help is at hand. A
leading firm who provide archival storage and restoration facilities for
museums and libraries are now compiling a reduced size catalogue, just
right for people with our interests, which they hope to produce in spring,
2000. This should include non-fade ink pens, archival quality paper,
wallets, files, boxes, tape, glues, etc. Restoration of family treasures may
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be daunting, but there are mounting fabrics for those falling-to-pieces old
letters and that certificate from 1843 and sheet protectors for those old
photos, and much more. They have offered to send free copies to our
Society, so when they arrive, I'll spread the news. Additionally, watch this
space for details of a talk by a professional conservator, at a future Dartford
meeting.
Sylvia Hammond, 40 Fairview Road, Istead Rise, Kent, DA 13 9DR
MY EARLY KENT ANCESTORS
Duane Lee Jones
I will write that I want to thank everyone connected with the
NWKFHS. I enjoy your journals. I enjoyed especially David CUFLEY's
article, "Hall Place Bexley, Conservation Plan ," (NWKFH Vol. 08 No. 11 , of
Sept. 2000 }. On page 460 section 3.1.4, David CUFLEY writes, "In 1469
Thomas SHELLEY received a grant from the Lord of the Manor, the
Archbishop of Canterbury, for the building of a new house. "
I have ancestors who had the surname--SHELLEY. Alice SHELLEY
married William BRAMPTON . William BRAMPTON was a fish dealer and
Alderman 1390 to his death Nov. 1406 (M .P., Res. on Thames St. , Buried
at Church of Saint Magnus at London Bridge). He came from Brampton ,
Huntingdon. His parents were John SHELLEY and Margaret ROLFE.
Margaret ROLFE 's father was John ROLFE, who lived at Down , Kent. John
SHELLEY was the son of Thomas SHELLEY. John Brooks THRELFALL of
Madison, Wisconsin , claims the SHELLEYs were an ancient Kentish family,
deriving their name from a small manor about a half mile north of the village
of Knockholt. I wonder if anyone else knows anything about the SHELLEYs.
Also , John Brooks THRELFALL, a distant cousin of mine, has researched
more of "our" ancestors, including two who worked as armourers for King
Henry VIII. Erasmus KIRKENERlKYRKENER married Agnes possibly
DYMOKE. He was born c. 1465 in Holland or Germany. He came to
England to work in the armory at Greenwich. He became Chief Armorer to
Henry VIII. He died 27 May 1567. Agnes died about 1593. They had three
daughters. Some of Erasmus's work, King Henry VIII's suit of armour, is
preserved at the Tower of London. One can also view King Henry V111 's
suit of armour at Cece Bibby's Homepage on the Internet.
One of Erasmus KIRKENER's daughters , Katherine, married Henry
MANNING, the son of John MANNING and Agnes PETLEY, who were
residents of Downe, Kent. Henry MANNING was born between 1500-1510,
and Katherine was born about 1520. Henry MANNING worked for his
father-in-law, Erasmus, as an armour maker, succeeding him as Chief
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Armourer to the Crown; Keeper of the Royal Park at Greenwich and Knight
Marshal to Henry VIII, Edward VI and Queens Mary and Elizabeth . He died
by 1594. Katherine died about 1596.
Other ancestors of mine who lived in Kent included several
generations of MANNINGS A Symon de MANNING is one of the earliest
known ancestors of the MANNINGS of Kent. Symon had a son named
Stephen MANNING. Stephen had a son named William MANNING, who
married Joan CHYRFOLD. They had a son named Simon MANNING who
married supposedly, Katherine CHAUCER, sister of Geoffrey CHAUCER.
They lived in Cudham , Kent. He and his wife conveyed property 1365-1366
in Greenwich , Kent.
They had a son named John MANNING who married Alice
WALDEN . They lived at Cowdham , Kent. He was a tax collector in 1408.
He died 14 Henry IV. They had a son named John MANNING who married
Juliana BROCKHILL. She was a widow of William WALLYS of Cowdham ,
Kent when he married her. In 1430 he was appointed to Collect taxes.
They had a son named Hugh or Hugo MANNING, who according to a later
Visitation, married Unknown BRANDON , daughter of Sir Knight William and
Elizabeth (WINGFIELD) BRANDON . No contemporary evidence exists to
confirm this Visitation pedigree. I do know of a will of Sir Knight William
BRANDON. In it he confirms he has a daughter named, Margaret "The
Younger" BRANDON. I do not know what happened to her. All of Sir Knight
William and Elizabeth (W1INGFIELD) BRANDON's children are accounted
for except Margaret ''The Younger" . Information about this family is printed
in The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, 1949, Volume
CIII, pages 102-107.
Hugh or Hugo MANNING's son , John MANNiNG, married Agnes
PETLEY,both of whom I mentioned above. Their son , Henry MANNING married
Katherine KIRKENER. One may read more about the MANNINGs in Fred
WHYLER's article in ( NWKFHS journal, Vol. 1, No. 2, Winter 1979, pages 40-43 ),
and Geoffrey B. BARROW's article in ( NWKFHS journal, Vol. 1, No. 3,
June 1979, pages 69-70) .
I really had no idea even a couple of years ago that so many of my
ancestors had so many connections to co. Kent. The last ones left before
1650. Since that time, their descendants married into the Mayflower lines of
John HOWLANID and Elizabeth TILLEY. They sailed for America in 1620.
Some of my ancestors' surnames include: MASON, PECK, COFFIN ,
STARBUCK, GORHAM, HIJSSEY, BARNARD, BUNKER(BON COEUR) ,
MACY, COLEMAN, PIERCE, MOWRY, PORTER, WRIGHT, RHOADES ,
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and, of course, JONES. Most of these families were Quakers . They were
easy to trace here in America, especially since many came from New
England: Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Island .
By the way, according to Bernard J. STANTON, President of
Thomas Stanton Society, and a distant cousin of mine, in The Thomas
Stanton Society Newsletter, No. 9, Sept. 2000, our common ancestor,
Thomas STANTON, JR. was the son of Thomas and Katherine
(WASHINGTON) STANTON,
SR. , of co.
Warwick. Katherine
WASHINGTON's great-grandfather, Lawrence WASHINGTON was born in
1500. He died in 1584. Lawrence WASHINGTON's mother was Margaret
KYTSON , daughter of Robert, and sister of Sir Knight Thomas KYTSON.
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Lawrence was Mayor of Northampton and lawyer at Gray's Inn.
King Henry VIII granted Sulgrave. Northampton to Lawrence
WASHINGTON in 1539, after the King dissolved the priory of St. Andrew.
Lawrence's uncle, Sir Knight Thomas KYTSON , was available, if
necessary, to help Lawrence acquire Sulgrave. Sir Knight Thomas
KYTSON was wealthy and influential. He would be a "friend of the court" if
necessary to make sure that King Henry VIII granted Sulgrave to Lawrence.
To insure farther his position , Lawrence gained the support of his first
cousin , Sarah , Lady Spencer, wife of Sir John Spencer of nearby Althorpe.
Again, King Henry VIII granted Sulgrave to Lawrence Washington , and he
built it into a manor house. His occupation was the wool trade. Katherine
WASHINGTON was born 137 years before her famous cousin, President
George WASHINGTON . One may view some of President and Martha
WASHINGTON's mementoes at Sulgrave, including: 1) a chair from their
home at Mount Vernon, Virginia ; 2) a wooden snuff box bearing his
features ; 3) a piece of Martha's wedding dress; and 4) his greatcoat.
Thank you, again, for allowing me to "ring my own ancestor bell" . I
am Duane Lee JONES, son of Roy Lee and Margaret Fern (McCART)
JONES, and President of George Washington Chapter, Sons of the
American Revolution . I am also a member of Dodge Family Association ,
Sikes/Sykes Family Association, Thomas Stanton and Mayflower Societies.
I hope to travel to England in the year 2001. I will like to visit
Sulgrave Manor and Althorp Hall, Northampton; and, Cudham , Downe and
Cranbrook, in Kent.
Duane Lee Jones, 1530 N Smith Cir. #501, Wichita, KS 67212-5508,U.S.A
e-mail [email protected]
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N. W.KENT POLICEMEN - 1199.
June Biggs
In the June 2000 issue of our Journal there was a review of The
Streets of London : The Booth Notebooks - South East'. Having ancestors in
the area in 1899 I borrowed the book from Bromley Library to gain some
background information.
Reading through I realised this would be a goldmine for anyone
having ancestors who were policemen here at the time. The researchers
were accompanied on their walks by a local policeman. In most cases a
description and an assessment of the policeman is given.
I have indexed the names and give the District and first walk
number, which gives this information for the policemen. In many cases they
did several walks, sometimes in another adjoining District, so it is worth
checking through . The Walks are dated so you can know what your
ancestor was doing on that particular day. The walks describe the area and
show the type of people and the problems the police might face. Because
the police patrolled their beat on foot they knew the people and could
provide an inSight into the places, something that could not be done today.
This book only covers South East London, but it is proposed to
publish the other booklets, so if your police ancestor was in another part of
London look out for further volumes. Or if you cannot wait, the notebooks
are in the Library of the London School of Economics.
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Name
District
Walk
Ashbourne Sergeant
Barton H
Clyne P C
Cockett PC William
Dolby PC
Goddard Sergeant
Green Reserve Inspector Albert
Gummer Inspector
Hardy Detective Sergeant
Howell Sergeant
Jones PC Taffy'
Lloyds PC
Blackheath
Southwark
Woolwich
Bermondsey
Peckham
Deptford & New Cross
Southwark
Deptford & New Cross
Greenwich
Blackheath
Dulwich
Lewisham
63
5
75
26
40
33
1
33
69
64
49
59
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Mercer Detective
Moss OC
O'Dell Sergeant F J
Sales Sergeant E
Saltmarshe Sergeant
Somergill PC
Spencer Detective Sergeant
Sziemanowicz Sergeant Feador
Vagg Sergeant
Vanstone Sergeant
Waters Sergeant P S
Watts PC
Wyatt Sergeant
Young PC
Greenwich
Brockley
Southwark
Lambeth
Southwark
Borough
Lewisham
Kennington
Deptford & New Cross
Deptford & New Cross
Southwark
Borough
Walworth
Camberwell
67
58
4
9
2
19
62
11
39
39
3
22
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June Biggs,39 Nightingale Road, Petts Wood, Orpington BR5 1BH
EM MA 'S LETTER
Pat Manning
In the autumn of 1824, Emma sat in The Oakery, Beckenham,
Kent, composing a letter to a family friend, Charles de COETLOGON Esq,
Ashfom, Staines, Middx. She was not very happy. Her father had died
earlier in the year and as a consequence she was short of money. She was
hoping that someone would invite her to join him or her for the winter
season.
She wrote,
"I suppose you heard that Peter has an offer to go to India
with Mr Palm er who is an old friend of John CATOR's and is
appointed a Judge at Madras. When he is to set off is
uncertain- at one time he was in such a hurry he bought an
immense quantity of things, now he hesitates and talks of next
year, but as another young man is ready (if Peter is not) to go,
I shall not be astonished to hear he and his wife and child are
not to lose the opportunity that offers by ships that he will soon
sail~Of course it worries my Aunt a little as she must form
different plans in what way to dispose herself when they leave
her. Bertie CATOR's house is still full of workmen of all sorts, I
have not been there, but I understand it is the utmost
confusion- I have seen - only once. John and his family are at
Worthing and I have not been any where which will I hope be a
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sufficient excuse for the stupidity of this letter- but believe me
my dear Sir, Yours Truly, Emma BERTIE"
The letter is owned by Eunice SHANAHAN in Queensland,
Australia and appeared on her internet web page. As I have become
interested in the Beckenham CATORs since being a member of the team
recording the Mi's of St George's church. I immediately recognised Peter,
John and Bertie. They were three of the seven Sons of Joseph CATOR
whose names are inscribed on the largest tomb in the churchyard. They
were Emma's cousins.
In 1824, John Barwell CATOR was Lord of the two Manors of
Beckenham and Woodbastwick in Norfolk. He and his wife Elizabeth had a
son, William Thornhill who was born in 1821. Peter did indeed sail to India if
one can go by the 1871 census for Beckenham where his younger
daughter, Diana, was "born at sea" (RGIO/172/142) A report of her death
from the Beckenham Journal of 13.10.1888 gives Diana's age as 63 years
which would place her birth in 1825, just right for the voyage to India. The
child referred to in Emma BERTIE's letter was their firstborn, a daughter,
Martha Elizabeth, born that same year, 9.2.1824 and baptised at
Beckenham in the July.
Bertie was Bertie Cornelius and his wife, Sophia, seemed to be out
of favour with Emma. He was the fifth son of Joseph and Diana CATOR,
born 26th September 1787 at Beckenham.
When Bertie Cornelius first entered the Navy in April 1800, it was on his
Uncle Albemarle's ship, the 'Windsor Castle 98'. His uncle was FlagCaptain to Sir Charles COTTON on the Home station. Bertie then joined as
midshipman several frigates in turn, the 'Glory', 'Malta', 'Carysport' and
'Hydra', which were employed in the capture of privateers in the
Mediterranean. On December 14th 1806, he was promoted to Actinglieutenant of the brig, 'Delight', which was used to convey despatches
between the Archipelago and Egypt, also to England.
There followed various feats of daring. He was instrumental in
saving his ship during a tremendous hurricane, joined the 'Foudroyanf off
Brest in June 1807 and then took command of the 'Leopard', 'Sapphire' and
'Otter'sloops. He was particularly distinguished when blockading the Isles
of France and Bourbon at the capture of St Rose but while travelling to the
Mauritius in charge of the Ranger transport he was captured by two French
frigates. Fortunately he was exchanged in time to take command of the
'Bombay Anna', a ship of the East India Company. Promotion to
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Commander in 1814 followed and Post-Rank a few months later. Bertie
Cornelius served off Calcutta, in the Baltic and on the coast of America.
He found time to marry in 1816, Sophia , only child of Michael ATKINSON
Esq of Mount Mascal, North Cray, Kent
Earlier in the letter, Emma refers to living in Brighton, which she
prefers were it not for the expense and her limited finances. She was also
waiting for a letter from Louisa COX from Essex who had possibly visited
Charles when he was ill. Louisa was probably her young sister, Louisa
Frances, who is named in Sir Albemarle's will. It is likely that Emma was
writing from the house of the M.P. J.P.COURTENAY who lived at The
Oakery (Clay Hill) in Beckenham. He was certainly living there when his
wife died in 1815 followed by his daughter, Anne, in 1818. Also in 1818 he
was one of several locals who subscribed to the opening of Bromley Rd
School next to St George's church in Bromley Rd and in 1821 he is
recorded in the Beckenham census of May 28th.
Emma was the eldest daughter of Sir Albemarle BERTIE who was the only
brother of Diana BERTIE, the mother of John, Peter and Bertie Cornelius.
These BERTIEs have a very illustrious past. They can be traced back to
Robert BERTIE (1572-1642), whose godm·other was Queen Elizabeth I,
and beyond. The Lord Robert BERTIE of Chislehurst belongs to a side
branch of the same Berties and Lady Priscilla Barbara Elizabeth BERTIE
who married Peter BURRELL of Beckenham is closely related to Emma's
father, Albemarle, but that is another story.
I am grateful to the staff of the Local Studies, Bromley Library for
help given in this research, especially Lorraine BUDGE.
Pat Manning, 29, Birchwood Aye, Beckenham, Kent. BR3 3PY
APOLOGY FOR OMISSION
I would like to apologise to Helen Dasley for not crediting the article
, Memoirs of Albert E Forster' with her name and address. Anyone wishing
to contact her regarding the article should write to
Mrs Helen Dasley, 11 Bicknor Road, Orpington, Kent, BR6 OTS
( See page 509 in the December Journal Vol 8 No 12 2001 )
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North West Kent Family History Society. Annual Report of the Committee for 2000
Committee
Ken lee Chainnan, Waiter Eves Vice Chainnan
The Society Committee wishes to thank all those who put so much effort into the successful running of the Society.
All four Branch Committees ran their affairs extremely well, their reports are below. It is my intention to stand down
as Chainnan at the next AGM in April 2001. Waiter Eves has agreed to stand as a candidate for your election. It is
with much regret that we have to tell all those who do not already know that since submitting his reports for this
document Tony Field died. His reports have be"n included as they refer to the year 2000, He will be sorely missed.
The year has been very good as, the Computer Branch was formed and started to operate under Tony Field's
Chainnanship, and the Library was installed at the Hextable Heritage Centre. It has been re-cataloged and was
opened on 3rd January 2001 (see report belOW). We hope many of you will visit it to extend your research. On the
opening day five persons sat down to do research and all five had some success.
Bob Woodward, Honorary Treasurer
Treasurer's Report
The 2000 accounts reflect the underlying financial strength and $tability of the Society. The hard-earned surplus
from 1999 enabled us to provide equipment for the new Computer Branch, replace other equipment and invest in a
number of other projects. Although Bank interest rates have remained low this year, we have still derived a good
income from our funds on deposit.
We were fortunate to receive a substantial legacy from our late member, Peter Etherington: who left the SOciety a
sum in excess of £7000.
The refund of Income Tax amounting to nearly £900 paid by Members under the old Deed of Covenant scheme has
been a useful addition to our funds. The participation of Members of the replacement Gift Aid scheme has been
very encouraging and should result in a increase of about 50% in the tax refund next year.
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I would like to thank my predecessor, Mike Lucas, for handing over a smoothly running operation, and for his help
during my learning curve. Also Maureen Griffiths and Peter Gosney for their sterling work with the Membership
subscription processing and those Members who add considerably to our income with the sales of books, other
publications and various activities.
Stella Rhys, Honorary Secretary
Secretary's Report
The Society Committee met nine times in 2000. Sub-committees, including the newly set up Library subcommittee, held meetings during the year to manage their particular aspects of the Society. The twice yearly
meetings with the four other Kent Societies has continued to be beneficial. The annual meeting with the Federation
of Family History Societies, attended by the Kent and adjacent Societies, took place in July, the Federation being
represented by Alec Tritton, Richard Ratcliffe and Lady Teviot who are members of the Executive Council. Our
web pages are well used, generally with over 200 people visiting the site weekly. The majority of new members
enrol via the website. Current membership stands at 1909. A well deserved 'thank you' goes to both Audrey
Rainer, the Minutes Secretary, and Brian Perryman, Assistant Secretary, who does most of the Society's
photocopying. We are very grateful to the team of over 100 taskholders whose work ensures that the SOCiety runs
smoothly and maintains its excellent services. I have had some personal problems this year and I would especially
like to thank the Jean Stirk, Linda Meaden, Lynn Searle and Caroline Blackett for all the assistance they have given
me.
library
Audrey Rainer, Socletv Librarian
The Library has been relocated in the Heritage Centre at Hextable. Audrey Rainer (Librarian), (having been elected
by the Main and Branch Committees) will run it, together with a committee made up of one member from each of
the Branches. These are Angela Verralls (Bromley), Christine Geer (Sevenoaks), Janet Rose (Dartford) and
Maureen Feam (Computer). Some volunteers have come forward and have he.'F.d the Librarian to catalogue the
800 books! pamphlets Imaps! indexes etc. and all is prepared for opening on 3 Jan. 20001. Further volunteers are
needed especially those who can give some time on Wednesdays even a couple of hours, or so. We are open
every Wednesday from 10am until 4pm and the third Saturday of the month from 2pm until 4pm. If there is a
demand for more Saturday opening we may be able to accommodate this and if there is something you would like
us to have please advise the Librarian and she will discuss it with the committee. It is intended to add some
microfiche to the collection as soon as possible.
Publicity
Publicity Officer, Position still vacant
Publicity has only been available to us by the kind auspices of those members who have made special efforts to
make the presence of the Society known in their areas. Dartford is the only branch to have a publicity officer, the
Socie'ty also needs someone to do this job of course this includes advertising all the branches also. PLEASE
someone come forward to do the job. of course you will receive a lot of help.
Publications
Maureen Fearne Publications Chainnan
In my first year as Publications Coordinator I am pleased to report on a successful year for the Publications team.
On the production side, we have published four new fiche in 2000. Sales have been steadily increasing throughout
the year, with our main sources for orders being the order fonn on the Society's web page, the order form in the
Society's joumal and stands at Family History Fairs. The Publications team are looking forward to some new
challenges in 2001; production of our first CD Rom, new European regulations on mail order sales and provision of
a facility for purchasers to pay by aedit card. I am sure that the Publications team will rise to these challenges with
their usual efficiency and good will. I would like to thank all members of the Publications and Projects teams for
their support and efforts in 2000.
Projects
Waiter Eves, Projects Co-ordinator
It has been a very good year for the continuation and completion of projects. The burial Register for St. George's
Beckenham from 1539 - 1976 is in the process of publication The Ml's for St George's have also been completed
by the Bromley Branch. The MI's for Fawkham have been completed. The 1891 census index is progressing with
Brian and May Waymont as co-ordinators. We have submitted entrjes for the National Burial Index. Other projects
that are in progress include St Mary the Virgin, Lewisham, burials, Farningham and Hever Parish Registers by
Stella Baggaley, Lee burials by Charley Hoad, the Strays Index (with the other Kent Societies) and Hither Green
MI's. Steve Archer and Pete Searle have been working on the re issue of The Deptford burials (St Pauls). Dunn's
Burial Index has been published. Once again I would like to thank all who volunteered their time and their work to
enable the Society to continue publishing such indexes, such a crucial aid to all who research family history.
Journal
Stella Baggalev, Editor
The Joumal has had another successful year during 2000 with an increased submission of photographs with
articles, these always add to the interest. After a lack of 'Help Wanted' requests we had a bumper bundle in the
December issue. I would be very interested in feed back on these requests, how many people make positive
contacts?
The Editor would like to thank all those members who have submitted articles and would like to encourage more to
try their hand at authorship. Remember that without contributions there wouldn't be a Journal! The article does not
have to be long but I am sure that many of you have interesting stories to tell, which we would all be fascinated to
read so come on don't be shy. Particularly interesting are accounts as to how you have climbed a brick wall and
solved a problem.
Ally suggestions as to what to include in the Journal would be gratefully appreciated.
Society Website
Stephen Archer Web Master
Now three years old, the SOCiety website continued to develop during 2000, with the addition of a page devoted to
Society projects, more listings of back journal articles, and new pages devoted to the Society's Computer Branch.
During the year nearly one half of new members joined via the site, and we now sell a large proportion of our
publications to people who saw them advertised there. At many of the exhibitions attend by the Society we have
printouts of the website pages available for consultation, and these have generated quite a bit of interest. As of the
time of writing we have plans to acquire our own domain name, which should mean more immediate control over
updates, improved site statistics and a new, more memorable address.
Tony Field Tape Librarian
Tape Library
The North West Kent Tape Library has had a very slow year in 2000. Less than fifty tapes were hired, this in spite
of approximately thirty complete lists being sent out during the year. On the plUS side, ten more titles were added
to the list during the year, again down in number. I have spoken to other Tape Libraries in Network 11, and found
that the story is the same! It must be something to do with the year 2oo0!
Personally, I am not too worried by the figures, as this is the first time that this has happened in nearly sixteen
years of operation and look forward to some interesting titles in 2001. These in turn should bring in some more
hirings.
Bromley Branch
.
Oavid Wood Bromley Secretary
The Bromley Branch had its full measure of trials this year, but by good teamwork amongst the Branch Committee,
and with the support of members, problems were overcome. Having only recently acquired adequate storage
space at our meeting place, taskholders were denied access to it by the wholly unexpected intervention of the
Health and Safety Executive. Then, the fuel crisis scored a direct hit on our September meeting by keeping our
speaker and a third of the members at home. Finally, a hugely unacceptable increase in hall-fees forced a rapid
rethink of our accommodation arrangements. With good acceptance by our members, an altemative was arranged.
The main sufferer was our esteemed Prograrnme Secretary, who had only just completed booking next year's
speakers. From next September, we will have to get used to the concept of THIRD WEDNESDAY, rather than
THIRD FRIDAY. Despite all this the Branch had a successful and enjoyable year.
I
NORTH WEST KENT FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY
DIRECTORY of MEMBERS' INTERESTS
Supplement March 2001
CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS
3514· Mr Michael Wood, 38 St Martins Way, Kir1<1evington, Yarm, N.Yorkshire TS15 9NR
4475· Mr S. Hull, 46 Folland Road, Glanaman, Ammanford, Carrnarthenshire SA18 2BX
4573 Mrs Hilary Towers, 40 Willow Park, Otford, Sevenoaks, Kent TN14 5NF
4664 Mrs Ann Korta, 72 Lodge Road, Holt, Wimborne, Dorset BH21 70W
4671
Mrs Jennifer Sargent, 'Merrilees', 25 Chartemouse Road, Orpington, Kent BR6 9EJ
4748 Mrs Jean Radford, 41 Wallis Close, Wilmington, Kent OA2 7BE
4767 Mr Colin Pemble, 2nd Floor Flat, 23 Downleaze, Sneyd Park, Bristol BS9 1LU
4774 Mr P.J. Read, 68 Pine Avenue, Gravesend, Kent OA12 1QE
4779 Mrs Shirley Saphire, 9 Prospect Road, Piedmont, California 94610, USA
4780 Mrs Patricia Ingram, 21 Wandle Road, Morden, Surrey SM4 6AJ
4783 Mrs E. Bess, 7 Ocklynge Road, Eastboume, East Sussex BN211PP
4787 Mrs J.Hooton, Ryehill Farm Cottage, Killingholme Road, Ulceby, North lines ON39 6TZ
4791
Mrs Cynthia Rigg, 11 Lonsdale Avenue, Kingsway, Rochdale, Lanes OL 16 5HP
4792 Mrs Dorothy Wright, 22 Greenfield Road, Ossett, West Yorkshire WF5 OES
4795· Miss Cherylanne Bailey, 71 Sutton Street, Edgeworth, NSW 2285, Australia
4808 Mrs Mary Oavies, 19 Elm Road, Ewell, Surrey KT17 2EU
.
4810 Mrs A.M. Hillyear-HiII, Wellington House, Cromarty, Ross-Shire, IV11 8XA
4816 Mr Brian Jarrett, 51 Vibumum Close, Ashford, Kent TW23 3LO
4822 Mrs May Bennett, 237a Queens Road, Maidstone, Kent ME16 OLF
4823 Mr Edwin Bennett, 237a Queens Road, Maidstone, Kent ME16 OLF
4825 Mrs B.M. Stambrey, 'Byeways', Chelsfieid Lane, Orpington, Kent BR6 7RR
4826 Mr B.R. Stambrey, 'Byeways', Chelsfield Lane, Orpington, Kent BR6 7RR
4827 Mrs Carol Craggs, 3 Lock Lane, Sandiacre, Nottinghamshire NG10 5LA
4829 Or Chris Hibben, 116 Barnett W09d Lane, Ashtead, Surrey KT21 2LS
4836 Miss T.C. Oben, 6 Selby House, Rodenhurst Road, London SW48AN
4840 Mrs Shirley Lewis, 10 The Laurels, Fleet, Hampshire GU13 9RB
4842 Mrs Anne Barkworth, 9 Newbourne Gardens, Felixstowe, Suffolk IP11 2PW
4843 Mr Brian Pimm, 27 St Philip Street, Battersea, London SWB 3SR
4846 Mr Ronald Jarrett, Flax Bourton Cottage, Well Lane, St Margarets at Cliffe, Kent CT15 6AA
4847 Mrs Sally Coussens, 109 Edinburgh Road, St Leonards on Sea, E. Sussex TN38 80A
4848 Mr Aubrey Perch, 39 Oelfur Road, Bramhall, Stockport, Cheshire SK7 2HG
4850 Mrs Julianne Chapman, 25a Sunningvale Avenue, Biggin Hill, Kent TN16 3BX
4856· Mr Simon Smith, 10 Grasslands, Ashford, Kent TN23 5WN
4857 Mr Steven Palmer, 'Kyngsmead', Station Road, Brading, Isle of Wight, Hants P036 OOY
4858 Mr B. Hanlon, 6 Mulberry House, Bromley Road, Shortlands, Bromley BR2 OAJ
4859 Mrs L.J. Hanlon, 6 Mulberry House, Bromley Road, Shortlands, Bromley, Kent BR2 OAJ
4861
Mr Edward Gosling, 9 Madeley Road, Church Crookham, Fleet, Hants GU13 OAR
4862 Mrs Shirley Gosling, 9 Madeley Road, Church Crookham, Fleet, Hants GU13 OAR
4866· Mr Joe Bames, 16-570 West Street, Brantford, Ontario N3R 7Y7, Canada
4875· Mrs Marilyn Charbonneau, Box 1787, 104 Birch Street, Deep River, Ontario KOJ 1PO, Canada
4883 Mr R. Blackman, 28 Cranham Gardens, Upminster, Essex RM14 1JG
4891
Mrs Rosemary Stanton, 26 Pinetree Close, Burry Port, Carrnarthenshire SA16 OTF
4892 Mr S. Simmonds, 19 Greenfieid Gardens, Orpington, Kent BR51ES
4893 Mrs Dawn Orchard, 'The Orchards', Meadow Lane, Houghton, Huntingdon, Cambs PE28 2BP
4898 Mr Andrew Fowle, 8 Withy Grove Close, Bridgwater, Somerset TA6 4UF
4903 Or George Ouffin, 1 Cherry Orchard Close, Chipping Campden, Glos GL55 60H
• Contributors marlked with an aaterlak have aupplled e-mail addreaaH - ahown at the end of thia inaert
MEMBERS' INTERESTS LISTING
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AOSLEY
AL(L)COCK
ALLEN
ASHOOWN
AUSTEN
PERIOD
c1800
Post 1830
Pre 1870
Pre 1800
pre 1840
Any
1850 on
c1800
Pre 1810
PARISH/COUNTY
Oavington KEN
Any SFK
Any NFK
Oymchurch KEN
Lewisham KEN
Oeptford KEN
Bermondsey SRY
Boughton Aluph KEN
Greenwich KEN
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4774
3514
3514
4846
4810
4810
4810
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4850
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AVERY
BAILEY
BAKER
BALlE
BARBER
BARKER
BARKWORTH
BARNES
BAR NETT
BARTLETT
BASS
BASSET
BEATRUP
BEECH
BEEDELL
BEN FIELD
BENNETT
BENTLEY
BLACKMAN
BLEDDYN
BLOYS
BORRETT
BOURNE
BREEZE
BREWER
BRICE
BRIGGS
BROOKS
BROWN
BRUCE
BUTLER
CARTWRIGHT
CHAP MAN
CHILDS
CHIPCHASE
CHITTENDEN
COBB
COLLETT
COLLlNS
COLllS
COOK
COURT
COWLYN
CUMMINGS-WARD
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DENNIS/DENNESS
OIVERS
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DUNCAN
EKE
ELLlS
c1830
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Pre 1800
1750-1850
18c+
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1840 on
Any
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c1830
1862-1866
1860
1868-1874
18c+
18c
1800 on
18c
18-19c
Pre 1900
19c+
Any
Post 1918
Pre 1918
Pre 1901
19c
19c
19c
Post 1845
c1800
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19-20c
c1750
c1800
Pre 1881
c1800
1833
1800-1860
1820-35
Any
Pre 1881
1910 on
1812 on
1833
c1700
Pre 1800
1700-1820
1850-2001
19c
Pre 1870
Pre 1900
Pre 1870
Pre 1860
Pre 1840
Pre 1900
Pre 1900
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1700-1820
c1800
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1822-51
1828-35
1858-75
18c
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19c
Lambeth SRY
Brighton SSX
Any KEN/SSX
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Tonbridge KEN
Any KEN
KEN &SFK
Deptford KEN
SevenoakslCheveninglTonbridge KEN
Any
Edmonton MDX
Lee KEN
Deptford KEN
Lewisham KEN
Tonbridge KEN
Lynsted KEN
Dartford KEN & S.E.London
Margate KEN
Rotherfield SSX
Rotherhithe SRY
Paddington MDX
London MDX
BrockleylHatcham KEN
Bermondsey SRY
Deptford KEN
North Aylesford KEN
Chelsea MDX & Battersea SRY
Woodford ESS
Riverhead KEN
Boughton Aluph KEN
Horsham St.Faiths NFK
Bexley/Dartford KEN
Canterbury KEN
Boughton Aluph KEN
Thomborough BKM
Chislehurst KEN
Maidstone KEN
Deptford KEN
Southwark SRY
Belvedere/Erith KEN
Chiddingstone KEN
Swanscombe KEN
Spitalfields MDX
Bishopsgate MDX
Bethersden KEN
Hinxhill KEN
Stowting Hunting KEN
Dartford KEN
Battersea SRY
Plymouth DEV
Rotherhithe SRY
Any KEN
Willesborough KEN
St Step hens in Brannel CON
Plymouth DEV
East London - ESS/MDX
Any KEN
Any KEN
WyeKEN
Shored itch MDX
Lambeth SRY
Walworth SRY
Greenwich KEN
Margate KEN
Northfleet KEN
Deptford/Greenwich KEN
4850
4780
4795
4795
4847
4795
4825
4810
4842
4842
4866
4866
4866
4866
4847
4774
4816
4774
4843
4822
4847
4875
4823
4823
4822
4883
4664
4664
4825
4774
4792
4664
4774
4774
4792
4827
4791
4791
4903
4875
4846
4857
4791
4791
4774
4795
4795
4840
4893
4671
4671
4795
4795
4671
4671
4823
4875
4795
4774
4903
4903
4903
4903
4774
4783
4891
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ETHERINGTON
• EWlNS
FARMER
FIRTH
FLYNN
FOSTER
FOWlLE
FRASER
GARRETT
GATES
GOLDEN
GOSLING
GRAS(S)HAMlGRAS(S)AM
IGERSHAM
GRAVES
GREENING
GRIMWOOD
GROSSMITH
GROVENER
HANLON
HARMER
HEAD
HEMMINGS
HIBBEN
HOBDAY
HOLCOMBE
HOLLlS
HOLT
HOMEWOOD
HORSCROFT
HOWLAND
HOY(E)
HUGHES
HULL
IKIN
INGRAM
JACKSON
JAMES
JARRETT
JEAL
JONES
KEMP
KEMPSEL
KENWARD
KINGSLAND
LAKE
LANGLEY
LANHAM
LARGE
LEACH
LEE
LEIGH
LEWlN
LlNDSEY
LlNTON
c1750
Pre 1900
Pre 1860
Pre 1900
1910 on
19c
Pre 1850
17-19c
18-19c
Pre 1840
18c
18c
19c
Boughton Aluph KEN
EwellSRY
Mitcham SRY
SwanscombelNorthfleet KEN
Swanscombe KEN
Deptford KEN & Rotherhithe SRY
Any KEN
Tonbridge KEN
Marylebone MDX
Bradford Abbas DOR
Selling KEN
Loose KEN
Woolwich KEN
4774
4671
4893
4816
4857
4856
4795
4898
4843
4843
4774
4826
4861
Any
19-2Oc
1900 on
19-2Oc
Pre 1850
Pre 1850
Pre 1815
c1915
Any
Pre 1900
Pre 1810
Any
Pre 19c
c1800
1860 on
1820-2001
1811-1851
1814-1820
Any
Pre 1790
19c
18c
1870-1920
Pre 1800
1800 on
Pre 1900
Pre 1860
Post 1860
Any
Pre 1900
Pre 1800
1850 on
Pre 1900
17-18c
1900 on
1862-2001
c1820
19c
18c
18-19c
Pre 1860
19c
18c
Pre 1850
1881-1886
1887 on
18-19c
18-19c
Pre 1800
19c
Any
16c-2001
AnyYKS
Lewisham/Greenwich KEN
Any LND
Lewisham KEN
City LND & London MDX
Bletchingly SRY
Greenwich KEN
FulhamMDX
E.SRY & N.w.KEN
Groombridge KEN
DartfordIWoolwich KEN
Any KEN
Deptford KEN
Boughton Aluph/Chilham KEN
Lewisham KEN
Dartford KEN
Wilmington KEN
Lambeth SRY
AnyYKS
Swanscombe KEN
Tonbridge KEN & Marylebone MDX
Boughton under Blean KEN
Bethnal Green MDX
Beckenham KEN
Any MDX
Rotherhithe SRY
Dartford KEN
Clerkenwell MDX
Plumstead KEN
SwanscombelNorthfleet KEN
Any KEN
Greenhithe KEN
Woolwich KEN
StanstedlMeopham KEN
Fulham MDX
Dartford KEN
Luddenham KEN
Limpsfield SRY
Any SSX
Lingfield SRY
Willesborough KEN
Isle of Dogs MDX
Plymouth DEv
Cowden KEN
Any KEN
Westminster MDX
Lambeth SRY
Deptford KEN
Chiddingstone KEN
Deptford KEN
Deptford KEN & Southwark SRY
Dartford KEN
3514
4573
4475
4573
4780
4780
4808
4858
3514
4823
4748
4829
4829
4774
4779
4840
4840
4840
3514
4825
4898
4862
4791
4850
4475
4822
4780
4780
4875
4816
4795
4816
4846
4861
4475
4840
4774
4861
4861
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4862
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4783
4859
4843
4892
4846
4891
4810
4840
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MARZBURG
MAYNARD
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MOORE
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NEWMAN
NOELL
OBEN
OBEN (VARIANTS)
ORCHARD
PAINE
PALMER
PEMBLE
PERCH
PI CARD
PICKETT
PIMM
PORTSMOUTH
PRICE
PRICEBY
PROUDFOOT
RADFORD
READ
RENWlCK
RICE
RICHARDS
RICHARDSON
RISEBROOK
RIXSON
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SEAFORD
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TASSELL
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TOWERS
TURNER
TUT(T)IN(E)
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c1800
19-2Oc
19c
1870-1918
1800-1920
1920 on
Pre 1865
18/19c
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1930 on
1600-1800
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Pre 1740
Pre 1850
Pre 1865
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c1650
Pre 1875
1875 on
Pre 1760
18-19c
c1680
19-2Oc
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1900 on
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1824-51
Pre 1850
Pre 1800
18c
18/19c
1870-1920
Pre 1850
c1917
19c
Pre 1848
Pre 1790
1887 on
Pre 1810
Pre 1900
Pre 1880
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1930 on
18-19c
1800 on
Pre 1850
Any
Pre 1830
1800-1860
Pre 1860
19120c
Pre 1900
Pre 1815
Pre 1790
c1750
1860 on
1650 on
19-20c
18c on
Any
1899-1901
Pre 1899
Plymouth DEV & Chatham KEN
Selling KEN
Plumstead KEN
Dunkirk KEN
Stockton on Tees OUR
Waterford IRL
Any LNDIMDX
Riverhead KEN
Any KEN
Aberfan, Glamorgan WLS
Shepherds Bush, London MDX
Great Chart/Stone in Oxney KEN
Hockley ESS
Wrotham KEN
Greenhithe KEN
Riverhead KEN
Cranbrook KEN
One Name Study esp. MallinglSnodland KEN
LewesSSX
Woodchurch KEN
Inkpen BRK
Swanscombe KEN
ChelsfieldlOspringe KEN
Wrotham KEN, Chelsea MDX & Any SSX
Canterbury KEN
Bexley/Dartford KEN
Penshurst KEN
Tonbridge KEN
AnyLND
Deptford KEN
Greenwich KEN
Hinxhill KEN
Any KEN/SSX
Any N.LND/MDX
Teynham KEN
Sunderland OUR
Hinxhill KEN
FulhamMDX
Tonbridge KEN
Horsham St Faiths NFK
Swanscombe KEN
Holbom MDXlLND
Stepney MDX
Camberwell SRY
WellsSOM
Aberfan, Glamorgan WLS
Shepherds Bush, London MDX
Stepney MDX
Dartford KEN & S.E.London
Bromley KEN
Camberwell SRY
FromeSOM
Deptford KEN
Stepney MDX
AnySRY
SwanscombelNorthfleet KEN
Greenwich KEN
Birting KEN
Teynham KEN
Greenwich/Lewisham KEN
Canterbury KEN
Lewisham KEN
Walthamstow ESS & Deptford/Greenwich KEN
AnyYKS
Deptford KEN
Swindon WlL
4748
4774
4810
4893
4857
4475
4475
4792
4826
4475
4475
4774
4846
4825
4857
4792
4836
4836
4893
4774
4857
4857
4767
4848
4774
4664
4843
4843
4475
4903
4903
4795
4795
4748
4774
4857
4795
4858
4856
4792
4825
4859
4903
4671
4671
4475
4475
4892
4816
4850
4856
4893
4791
4846
4826
4816
4787
4825
4774
4779
4774
4573
4810
3514
4822
4822
North West Kent
Family History Society
I
Covering north-west Kent and the ancient Kent
parishes now in south-east London
Publications List
Society publications are available at Bromley, Sevenoaks and Dartford meetings, and by post
Mrs Barbara Attwaters, 141 Princes Road, Dartford, Kent, DAl 3HJ.
from:
Order form available on page 4 of this leaflet.
Paper Publications
Greenwich Parish,
35,000 names
£5.95
UK
p&p
£1.00
Settlement
Examinations
Index to Bromley, Beckenham & Ruxley
hundreds, 1747-87 and 1816-31
£1.50
(inc)
60p
West Kent
Sources
A Guide to Family and Local History
Research in the Diocese ofRochester
(120pp., 3rd edition, 1998)
£5.95
75p
£2.00
Memories of
Lewisham
Reminiscences of the town c.1900 by local
resident William James Golsby (72pp.)
£3.75
SOp
£1.20
Details
Item
1851 Census
Index
Vol.
VII
Price
Otseas
p&p
£3.00
Microfiche Publications - Census Indexes
Fiche
Ref.
Place
Details
Fiche Price UK Otseas
p&p p&p
in set
29
Bromley Reg. Dist 1851 Census index. Vol I, name index
(17,000 names)
2
£2.50
24p £1.00
50
Dartford Reg. Dist 1851 Census index. Vol V, name index
(27,000 names)
3
£3.25
24p £1.00
1851 Census index. Vol m, name index
(32,000 names)
4
£4.00
24p £1.00
49
Lewisham Reg. Dst. 1851 Census index. Vol IV, name index
(35,000 names)
4
£4.00
24p £1.00
19
Woolwich Parish
4
£4.00
24p £1.00
32 Deptford Parishes
1851 Census index. Vol 11, name index
(32,000 names)
Registered Charity No. 282627
March 2001
ii F
Microfiche Publications - Parish Registers
Fiche
Place
Ref.
3 Brasted
Details
St. Martin, transcript & index
Chr & Bur 1813-1867, Mar 1754-1867
23 Bromley Common Holy Trinity Burials 1844-1883
7 Chelsfield
St. Martin index to Bap & Bur &
Orpington, Holy hmocents ind to Bur.
38 Chislehurst
St. Nicholas index to PRs & MIs
27 Darenth
St. Margaret, transcript
Mar 1813-1837, Bur 1813-1884
52 Deptford
St. Paul, ts & index Bur 1788-1812
42 Farnborough
St. Giles the Abbot PRs 1538-1652,
transcript & index
7 Orpington
See Chelsfield
33 Sutton-at-Hone
St. John the Baptist, transcript & index
Bap 1813-1868
17a Swanley
St Paul, ts & index Bur 1862-1940
17b Swanley
St Paul, ts & index Bur 1941-1981
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5 Bromley Common Holy Trinity
37 Bromley
St. Mary, Plaistow
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All Souls (C/E) & Union Baptist
12 Crockenhill
21 Darenth
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8 Dunton Green
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43 Eynsford
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Mary the Virgin
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24 Hayes
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St. Mary
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22 Ide Hill
St. Katherine
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St. Botolph
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Holy Trinity
18 Mark Beech
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Registered Charity No. 282627
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March 2001
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the TWENTY-THIRD ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING of
members of the North West Kent Family History Society will be held at the Sevenoaks
Social Centre, Otford Road, Sevenoaks on Thursday 26th April at 8.00pm.
AGENDA
1.
Notice convening the meeting.
2.
Apologies.
3.
Minutes of the twenty-first Annual General meeting (circulated with the March
2001 Journal) **
4.
Matters arising from the Minutes of the 2000 AGM.
5.
Accounts for the year ended 31 st December 2000.
6.
Report of the Committee for 2000 (circulated with the March 2001 Journal)
7.
Josephine Birchenough Bursary Award.
8.
Honorary Members.
9.
Vice Presidents.
,.Q,ir...ft.6.r~Aft
.
~
11.
Election of Vice-Chairperson.
12.
Election of Secretary.
13.
Election of Treasurer.
14.
Election of other Committee members.
15.
Election of Independent Examiners.
16.
Any Other Business.
**
NB. Further copies of both may be obtained from the Secretary by sending a stamped,
addressed envelope.
Ken Lee will not be standing for re-election as Chairman.
Nominations to this and any other post (with consent of the nominee, and proposed and seconded
by members) should be submitted to the Secretary so as to arrive by Thursday 12th April 2001.
Honorary Secretary: Mrs Stella Rhys, 6 Windermere Road, Bexleyheath, Kent DA 7 6PW
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3 £3.25
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00 Index to Bromley Journal & West Kent Herald
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Censuses 18711188111891 transcript & index
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48 Directory ofNWKFHS Members' Interests 1999
2 £2.50
30 Name index to Queen's Own Royal West Kent Regiment
1914-1919 published. 1924
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54 Dunn's Funeral Directors ofBromley; Name Index to
Account Books (1803-1839)
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Feature Publication: West Kent Sources
This is a handy reference guide for family and local historians researching in West Kent. The
main part of the guide covers, on a parish-by-parish basis, the 128 ancient parishes within the
diocese ofRochester. For each parish, the guide provides details of the known repository for all
types of records relating to that parish. A comprehensive range of records is covered and
includes censuses, tithes, land tax, hearth tax, manorial records, parish registers, vestry records,
churchwardens' records, rate books, settlement records etc. I would especially recommend this
publication to anyone intending to visit the area as it will provide invaluable information for
planning your visit to the local repositories and making the best use of your time.
Registered Charity No. 282627
3
March 2001
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North West Kent Family History Society
Publications Order Form
Payment with order in sterling only please
Cheques should be made payable to NWK FHS.
Overseas postage covers despatch by airmail. Please enclose
either a self-addressed envelope (minimum AS size)
or
a large adhesive self-addressed label.
Ref. No.
Mn Barbara Attwaten
141 Princes Road
Dartford, Kent
DA13HJ
England.
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WESTBROOK
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WOOD
WOOD(S)
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Any NFK
Plurnstead KEN
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Any KEN/SSX
AnySFK
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SPECIALISED INTERESTSI One Name Studies
St Saviours and St Olaves Grammar Schools - Bermondsey/Southwark
Deptford - Trades/Occupations
Historical Costumes - Help given in dating photographs
Oben - One Name Study
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4866
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, E-MAIL ADDRESSES - Changes
In future please note that only CHANGES of address will be notified in the Joumal. If first-time e-mail users wish to
advise addresses, we would suggest that they arrange for their sumame interests to be added to the Society's website at http://users.ox.ac.ukl-malcolmlNWKFHSIWELCOME.HTM.
CHANGES OF ADDRESS
1508 HARGETION Mrs Juliette, Vue du Val, Clos du Foulon, Foulon Road, St Peters Port, GUERNSEY, GY1 1YZ
1697 JARVIS Miss Jane, 76 Andover Road, Orpington, Kent BR6 8BN,
2275 BEER Mrs Victoria, 28 L1ys Close, Shropshire, SY11 2VZ,
2786
SPINKS Mr Eric, 7 Sring Bank Meadow, Ripon, N. YORKSHIRE, HG4 1HQ
2787
SPINKS Mrs Barbara, 7 Sring Bank Meadow, Ripon, N.YORKSHIRE, HG41HQ
2910 JACKSON Mr Geoffrey, Keepers Cottage, School Road, Messing, Cochester, Essex, C05 9TH
3619 DEFOE Mr John, Willow Brook, Brook Close, Two Bridges Road, Sidford, DEVON, EX10 9PN
3620 DEFOE Mrs Catherine, Willow Brook, Brook Close, Two Bridges Road, Sidford, DEVON, EX10 9PN
3655 KENNEDY Mrs Pauline Arnanda, 11 Park View Road, Buxted, Uckfield, East Sussex, TN22 4LS
3988
EVES Mr Waiter, 11 Cliftonville Avene, Cliftonville, KENT, CT9 2AJ
3989 EVES Mrs Eileen, 11 Cliftonville Avenue, Cliftonville, KENT, CT9 2AJ
4011
HEWlTI Mr Nigel Frank, 43 Coopers Close, Greenhithe, Kent, DA9 9PP
4086 FRASER Mr Michael, Church Farm Cottage, London Road, Obome, Sherboume, Dorset, DT9 4JY
4150 GORE Miss Gloria, 43-2727 Kitchener Drive, Kitchener, Ontario, N20 CANADA
4167 PETERS Miss Susan, 1B Cumber1and Street, Ipswich, Suffolk, IP1 3PA
4180 WOOLLER Mr Rodney Mark, 137 Willcox St, Chidlown, WA 6556 AUSTRALIA
4264 TAYLOR Mr John, 61 Gregomy Road, Orpington, KENT, BR6 9XE
4350 ORBELL Mr John Murray, 5 Highfields, Forest Row, East Sussex, RH18 5AJ
4638
DOUBELL Mr Raymond. Sydney, 23 Dunvegan Drive, Lordswood, Southampton, Hants, S016 8DB
NORTH WEST KENT FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY
MINUTES OF THE TWENTY-5ECOND ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING
held at the Dartford Grammar School for Gir1s on 1" April, 2000 at 12 noon.
Present:
Ken Lee (Chairman) and 109 members.
1.
THE NOTICE CONVENING THE MEETING was read.
2.
APOLOGIES
Angela Verralls, Denise Rason, Brenda Stenlake, and Ruth Cheeseman.
3.
MINUTES OF THE 21 ST ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING were proposed by Ted
Finley, seconded by Stena Baggaley, and accepted unanimously by the meeting.
4.
MATTERS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES - None.
5.
ACCOUNTS FOR THE YEAR ENDED 31 ST DECEMBER, 1999.
The Treasurer reported a surplus of £1565 for 199912000. This was lower than the previous
year's exceptionally high figure (£3889), but was in fact more typical of the Society's results
over the years. Subscriptions were up 8% and our publications had sold very well, particular1y
the new Greenwich Census Index. The "TIme & Tide' conference organised by Joyce Hoed
and her Committee had been very successful and the surplus from the event was being used
to create a new Computer Branch. The Computer Branch project was then unanimously
endorsed by the audience on a show of hands. Overheads were generally under tight control,
but Journal costs had increased as a result of producing larger volumes and there had also
been the cost of giving away a new set of members' interests fiche with the December journal.
However, there was a problem (in common with many other societies) with declining sales and
Increasing write-offs of brought-In books. This problem was being addressed and some good
ideas for restructuring had been put forward. The Balance Sheet now shows total reserves of
£26,444.
Matters arising from the accounts:
David Cufley asked whether It was worth buying In books.
We need to cut down on books that don't sell and/or go out of date.
Ted Flnley said that he thought we ought to go on providing this service.
Guy NeviIIe said we should look at the figures for books sold rather than at the profit.
The Treasurer's Annual Report and Accounts for the year erlding 31" December, 1999 were
accepted arid unanimously approved.
The Treasurer said that he would not be seeking re-election arid that Bob Woodward had
offered to take on this post. This was proposed by David Cufley and seconded by Tony Field
and was unanimously accepted.
A vote of thanks was proposed by Ted Finley for all the work Mike LUC8S had done as
Treasurer over the past eight years •
6.
REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE FOR 11"
This had been circulated with the March 2000 Journal, volume 8, no.9.
The Chairman added some updates for January 2000 onwards:.
The Computer Branch was being set up - dates and times will be announced at
Branches. Tony Field is to be Chairman.
Three members attended a meeting with the FFHS to discuss Its future.
Some Committee members attended a meeting with the other Kent Societies.
The CoIm1itlee Is looking Into the possibility of centralising the Ubrary.
NWKFHS featured In Family History Magazine this month and some of Its readers
have applied for membership.
Matters arising from the report:
Geoffrey Blaxal asked whether In 100 years time people would thank those who set up FamUy
History SocietieS?
Sue Plttman suggested that people who have previously applied for the Josephine
Blrchenough Bursary should be able to apply for a secorld time.
Acceptance of the report was proposed by Geoffrey Blaxall, seconded by Sylvia Hammorld,
and carried unanimously.
7.
JOSEPHINE BIRCH ENOUGH BURSARY AWARD
There were no applicants this year.
8.
.
HONORARY MEMBERS
Honorary membership was awarded to Stephen Archer, Linda Meaden, Keith Stewart, and
Peter & Lynn Sea/1e in appreciation of the wolt( which they do for the Society.
,
Certificates of thanks were given to Joyce Hoad, for 17 years as Librarian; Vera Bailey, retiring
as Assistant Secretary; Tony Field, retiring as Vice-Chairman; Ted Finley, retiring as
Sevenoaks Branch representative to the Main Committee; and Mike Lucas, retiring as
Treasurar. Plant troughs were given to Joyce Hoad and Vera Bailey.
I.
VICE.pRESIDENTS
Joan Field and Sussn Pittman were elected as Vice-Presidents, and June Biggs voiced an
appreciation of their services to the Society.
10.
ELECTION OF CHAIR.pERSON
Ken Lee, proposed by Harold Mills and seconded by Ron Pays, was unanimously elected.
11.
ELECTlON OF VICE-CHAIRPERSON
Waiter Eves. proposed by Maureen Feam and seconded by Stephen Archer, was
unanimously elected.
12.
ELECTION OF SECRETARY
Stella Rhys, proposed by Guy Nevill and seconded by Vera Bailey, was unanimously elected.
13.
ELECTION OF TREASURER
Bob Woodward, proposed by Stella Baggaley and seconded by Ken Lee, was unanimously
elected.
14.
ELECTION OF OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS
The following were elected unanimously:
Maureen Feam, proposed by Stella Baggaley and seconded by Tony Field.
Audrey Rainer, proposed by Vera Bailey and seconded by Janet Rose.
15.
ELECTION OF INDEPENDENT EXAMINERS.
Owing to the death of Brian Kell and the retirement of Ron Henry, we are in need of two
people to act as our Independent Examiners. As none was forthcoming, these posts remain
vacant.
16.
ANY OTHER BUSINESS
1.
2.
3.
Geoffrey Milne said that due to UI health he would have to give up as the Society's
projectionist and would like someone else to take over before the onset of dalt(
evenings. A vote ofthanks was proposed by Oavid Cufley.
Joyce Hoad said that we are in need of a Librarian. She also asked whether the
members would Mke the Library to be located centrally or dispersed amongst the
Branches. A show of hands was about equal.
Lynne Marsh asked whether we had considered buying premises as some other
Societies had? It had been explored, but the cost was way above what the Society
could afford.
VOTES OF THANKS
June Biggs proposed a vote of thanks to the Main Committee for all their hard wolt( over the past year.
Ken Lee proposed a vote of thanks to the Oartford Committee for arranging this day conference and
annual meeting.
The meeting dosed at 1.10
pm.
Oartford Branch
Janet Rose, Oartford Chairman
In April Sylvia Hammond, who had so efficiently run the Dartford Branch for several years, stood down as chair and
Janet Rose took her place Sylvia's parting gift was to organise the Society AGM, which ran flawlessly and was as
successful as everything which Sylvia handled. Very many thanks to her for all her hard work in running the Branch
and for providing delic:ious refreshments at the Branch Committee meetings.
Dartford Branch continues to flourish due to the continued "devotion to duty" of the many task holders, the
excellent speakers and the friendly atmosphere. We welcomed Sheila Elisak to the Committee as publicity officer in
October and we hope she feels at home with us. A loc:al paper took photos of members at our November meeting
and these appeared two weeks later in their Club of the week feature, giving Dartford Branch some good free
public:ity.
The Christmas buffet followed the December meeting and gave about sixty members opportunity to socialize and
made a happy conclusion to the year.
.
As several members live in the proximity to Stone Cemetery it is hoped to start recording the M.ls there soon,
weather permitting. Other members have been helping with the new Society Library at Hextable and we hope they
will continue to do so, together with volunteers from other Branches.
In conclusion we feel that Dartford Branch has had a very fruitful and interesting year and look forward to an equally
successful future.
Sevenoaks Branch
Lynne Marsh, Sevenoaks Chairman
The Sevenoaks Branch has had a steady year and despite its apparent inability to build up numbers has at least
managed to maintain attendance at around the 45 mark. Members have heard a number of interesting speakers
on a varied range of topiCS. The Branch has maintained its friendly family atmosphere and visitors and newcomers
are always welcomed.
Credit for this is due to the efforts of committee members, branch task holders and
oc:c:asional helpers who have continued to ensure the smooth running of the Branch activities. Despite a number
of appeals, we still do not have anyone responsible for running the bookstall, a post which has now been vacant for
over a year. This is a worrying situation since it means that valuable Society assets are not being fully utilised.
Helen Jac:kman, the current Programme Secretary, has indicated that she wishes to stand down from the
committee at the March 2000 Annual Meeting and the Branch Chairmanship will fall vacant at that time. It is
becoming a matter of urgency that volunteers are found to fill the vacancies if those that remain are not to crumple
under the strain.
Computer Branch
Tony Field. Branch Chairman
A steering Committee was set up at the beginning of 2000 to look into the possibility of setting up a Computer
Branch within North West Kent FHS. Atter a few meetings it was decided that it was a possibility and it was decided
to base it in Orpington. The Small Hall at Crotton Halls, Orpington was booked for the meetings and equipment, a
laplop computer and a video projector, were bought to use by the branch.
The first meeting was held on June 6'" and was attended by 91 people. They were given a foretaste of things to
come in the following months.
We have had 6 more meetings since then each just as successful as the first in their own way. Some members
attend every meeting, whilst others pick their favourite subjects from the programme. Either way, we are still
averaging around 75 members at each meeting, and generating a lot of interest in computing within the Society as
a whole.
The Computer Branch Committee are a very committed and dedicated group, working together to educate and
assist the whole of the NWK membership in 'all things computer'. We have a very interesting and varied
programme in store for the members up to March 2002 and are always on the look out for new things to show
them.
Co-ordinator. Stella Szachnowski
House Groups
The existing House Groups continue to flourish. Not only do the members help each other with their family History
problems and enjoy the friendship of others in the NWKFHS, but they contribute a great deal to the whole Society
by the valuable project work and other tasks many groups undertake. We thank them all.
Josephlne Birchenough Bursary
Again, no person has made an application for this Bursary this year. The Presidents Panel will meet in February
and will discuss this item among others.
Other Society Services
We express our gratitude to the following taskholders who help to keep the special services of the Society running
smoothly.
Bookstalls Jean Carter and Vera Coomber continue to efficiently purchase the book stock. June Vaisey, Connie
Kemp and Pat Comelius have again organised the branch bookstalls at Bromley and Dartford, whilst Sevenoaks
bookstall still remains without someone to look after it. Norma Holmden has again been a tremendous help in
keeping the month to month sales going.Of course we thank them all.
Courier Service Thank you Stella Baggaley who runs this service, collecting wills, certificates and some census
information for those members who cannot travel to London.
1881 Census Index. Ted Finley continues to handle loans and enquiries about this index.
Local History Publications Infonnatlon Service is provided by Patricia Knowlden to collect and record
information on our area for our members.
Society Projector. Geoffrey Milne who transported the Society's slide projector to meetings at the three branches
or other venues when it was required. He also operated it for the speakers as required. Regretfully Geoffrey has
had to retire during the year We thank him for all the work he put into this job. We are needing help for this service
Name EnqUiries. Lynn Searle continues to provide information to members and non-members on names being
researched by past and present members.
NW Kent Index. Unda Meaden checks Society indexes for specific names. The interim search service for the
Greenwich 1851 Census has been dropped now that the Index has been published.
Offers of Help Wanted I Help Wanted. Caroline Blackett deals with this service and submits the entries to the
journal for publication. (See Editors Report)
Out of Area CCM)rdlnator. Margaret Watson continues to help those members who cannot attend meetings due
to distance or disability.
averseas CCM)rdlnator.
members.
The Meopham House Group have continued to offer assistance to our overseas
Branch Attendance.
Year 2000 figures were:
Branch
Bromley
Dartford
Sevenoaks
Computer
No of Meetings
11 meetings,
11 meetings,
10 meetings,
7 meetings,
Attendance
947 total, average 86
1086 total, average 99
391 total, average 39
430 total, average 61
Acknowledgements
Some volunteers have been named and thanked in the various parts of this report but there are many others
unnamed. These members contribute so much to the smooth running of the Society, and their families are so
tolerant of their time spent on behalf of the Society. To all of these the Society Committee extend sincere and
grateful thanks.
PLEASE HELP US TO flU VACANT POSTS. NO POST NEED BE TOO ONEROUS FOR YOU.
The Society needs helpers to fin the posts being vacated by those who are standing down, both Society wide and in
the Branches. If you think that you might be able to help, but think that the task needs to much previous experience,
do not worry. Most of us who are filling these posts are still in our leaming curves. Of course I am speaking of
myself more than anyone else. However please consider it and talk to myself or someone in the committee
concerned.
.
Ken Lee
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HOUSE
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GROUPS
At our House Groups members meet together in small groups in their own
homes to help each other with family history problems, do project work and make
new friends.
Each House Group has its own character. Sizes vary as some can only
accommodate small numbers; a few groups concentrate on projects requiring
experienced research; some mostly discuss their own family histories; others have
a wide variety of activities. Anyone belonging to NWKFHS can apply to join any
House Group but mutual compatibility is essential and each group, through its
leader, has the option on accepting additional members.
Existing groups and contacts are listed below. The venues do not
necessarily represent the areas of interest of those attending. If there is no House
Group near you but you would like to join or form one anywhere in the UK or
overseas, contact: Stella Szachnowski,' Woodcote', Laurel Grove, Penge, SE20
8QJ
020 8778 2327
Sally Jones
or
Lawrence White
Barbara Godfrey
BEXLEY/CHISLEHURST
BROMLEY
Day
Val Feakins
Evening:
Roy Lynch
##MEOPHAM
Joan Goodwins
Jean Rawling
ORPINGTON&PETTS WOOD
SEVENOAKS Day :
Maisie Hadaway
Linda Meaden
##SEVENOAKS SEAL
SHIRLEY&WEST WICKHAM
Joan Field
SIDCUP
Barbara Godfrey
SOUTH LONDON
Stella Szachnowski
STONE&DARENTH
Pamela Eagles
BECKENHAM
0208 650 4042
. 0208 650 5757
02083037561
0208460 2209
0208 464 2040
01474 812596
01689 876385
01732 456646
01732 762679
0208 777 5273
02083037561
0208 778 2327
01474 705523
GLOS.AREA This group no longer meets but Mrs Lesley Henry has offered to help
if possible with queries in that area. Write to her, enclosing an s.a.e., at the Coach
House, New Barn Lane, Cheltenham, Glos. GL5 3LD
## THESE HOUSE GROUPS HAVE VACANCIES AND WOULD BE PLEASED TO
HEAR FROM ANYONE LIVING IN THEIR AREAS WHO WOULD LIKE TO JOIN
THEM
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BRANCH REPORTS
SEVENOAKS
Lynn Marsh
On 26 October Michael Gandy paid us a welcome return visit to talk to us
about The Records of Irish Poor in England. We should remember that until 1922
the Irish were British subjects and therefore no naturalization papers were needed.
The main ports of entry from Ireland were Liverpool, Bristol, Fishguard and
Holyhead and whilst rich people came to London the poor went to Liverpool or
Bristol. Many came to England only for summer work or as soldiers or to work in the
Civil Service. The poor would be helped to return to Ireland by passes from the
County Treasurers and these would be in County Record Offices.
The records in Roman Catholic Churches in England will give more details
of a marriage than on the certificates produced after 1837. The places of birth could
be given as well as mother's name and maiden name. There were and are in
existence many societies to help Irish poor such as The Society of St. Vincent de
Paul and The Sisters of Nazareth and the Little Sisters of the Poor.
The Records of the Dear departed were the subject of Marion Brackpool's
talk in November. We all know of death certificates and wills but have we thought of
Manorial Records, where changes in tenancies are shown; Quarter Sessions
records for people being buried in wool; or those of people dying in prison (this
does happen as I have a certificate of a man who died in Guildford prison). A new
source would be undertakers' records, some of whom had excellent records of
funerals and burials and are willing to share these records with us. Marion gave us
a very interesting talk and had some very good examples to show on the overhead
projector.
Chairman: Lynn Marsh, 25 Broomfield Road, Sevenoaks, TN133EL
DARTFORD
Janet Rose
At the November Branch meeting, Mrs Lilian Gibbens gave everyone
much to think about. After a photo-call with the local press (giving the Branch free
publicity 2 weeks later) Mrs Gibbens gave an amazing account of information on
the material available in Parish Records and where to look for possible information
on missing ancestors, who were not of the upper classes. A few suggestions
included tax returns of the poor, pews, hearths, highways, sewage, gas and water,
Overseers accounts for the poor house and Terrier records (books or rolls
describing the boundaries and the acreage of lands belonging to private persons)
were suggested. In some areas the 1676 Compton census listed people but not all.
Records of the Work House, and later Workhouse, are often available. The talk was
informative and interesting and a great help to many members who have 'lost'
ancestors.
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The December meeting was localised as Mr John Parkinson spoke about
industrialists who were responsible for the Industrial Revolution in Dartford. He
concentrated on the famous engineering company of J&E Hall who had a huge site
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near the railway line where MFI, Allied Carpets and B&Q now trade , as well as the
modern building near the station which is now the Civic Centre. Founded in the
early 1800s their main business was refrigeration for ships which was pioneered by
Everard Hesketh. He was wealthy and cared about conditions in the (then dreary)
town for the "working class" , donating land and money in 1907 to create a public
park, including a cricket pitch and bowling green on the east side of Dartford.
Known as Hesketh Park, it is still there today.
Another famous name who worked at Halls was Richard Trevithick who
(contrary to public belief) actually invented the steam engine, but was too poor to
patent it and died a pauper. However he has a memorial plaque in the graveyard
known as Mount Pleasant on East Hill, Dartford. Lifts were also produced at Halls.
Mr Parkinson has a vast array of wonderful photographs illustrating the Industrial
Revolution in Dartford and these were so popular that he is returning to show them
in April at the annual meeting.
The December meeting was followed by a Christmas buffet which the 60
members who attended found relaxing and enjoyable. Many thanks to the members
whose help made it possible.
Chairman: Janet Rose, 15 Knockhall Chase, Greenhithe, VA99EW
BROMLEY
David Wood
Audrey Collins developed her interest in shops from years of experience
with The John Lewis Partnership, starting as a Saturday Girl. Pointing out that the
only classified records are held by some of the Oxford Street multiples. She
presented an illustrated account at our October Meeting of changes in shopping
habits, and in shops themselves, from their origin in bazaars and market stalls , we
were reminded of the lot of milliner's assistants. under paternalistic employers.
In November, Else Churchill spoke on "Cavaliers and Roundheads" from a
commanding knowledge of the mid-1600s. Concentrating on ordinary people rather
than the rich and famous, she showed where a virtual census is to be found in the
records of taxation and penalties which characterized the Civil War. Not all
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members had got back this far with their family trees, but a review of this turbulent
period of English History captivated the whole of a large audience. Recusants,
Delinquents, Protestations, Informers, Free and Cheerful Gifts (to the
Cromwellians) and Free and Voluntary Presents (to Charles 11) , all were brought to
light. Else's 8-page bibliography needed reprinting - twice.
At our December meeting there was an enthusiastic response to Mari
Alderman 's instruction on Latin for Family History. In groups of six ,we tackled her
written examples, after her reminder that Latin can be found in quite recent
documents , eg Roman Catholic registers later than 1837, that months need careful
attention (most have the same numbers as ours, but 7bis is September and 10bis is
December) and much else. She quoted very interesting examples from the PRs of
local parishes, Crayford 1565 and Chelsfield 1611.
Sec: Oavid Wood, 44 Oakwood Avenue, Beckenham, Kent BR3 6PJ
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THE NORTH WEST I(ENT FHS COMPUTER BRANCH
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At the November Meeting "Maureen Fearn and Ron Anthony led
us through some of the many aspects of the Generations v.8 (UK) family history
program, showing how easily family data is easily entered and how moving
between generations is as easy as clicking on a button. They explained the basics
of the programme and how one can customise both the display and the data that
can be recorded and viewed. They also covered the 20 data COs supplied with the
'deluxe' version of the programme and how one can use these to further one's
research."
At the December Meeting Phil Warn spoke to the branch about how one
can use a simple Word Processor package and Spreadsheet to record and present
one's family history, showing that purchasing a dedicated Family Tree program is
not an absolute necessity.
78 people turned out the night after New Year's Day to discover
how to search for their family on the Internet. Tony Field informed us of several new
websites, including the Schools Photographs website, and the on-line Colindale
Newspaper Library catalogue. See the Society mailing list for more details. Peter
Searle guided us to some of the many sites available to genealogists, describing
their main differences. Peter explained that the evening could only cover a fraction
of what is avilable via the Internet. See the full report at the society Website:
http://users .ox. ac. uk/-malcolm/gen uki/big/eng/KEN/nwkentfhs
Peter Searle [email protected]
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OUR LIBRARY
The Library was officially opened on Jan 3 2001 by the Lady Mayoress of
Swanley Mrs Barbara Wigg seen in the photograph below with ( from the left)
Audrey Rainer, Mr Wigg, Mrs Wigg, June Biggs and Ken Lee.
Our Library is now open at the Hextable Heritage Centre at College Road,
Hextable every Wednesday from 10 am until 4 pm, and on the third Saturday of the
month from 2 - 4 pm.
If you would like to know what books, etc. we hold, each Branch has
copies of the catalogue, which can be consulted at meetings. However, if you
would like to have your own copy of the catalogue, these are available from me in
paper form (address on the front cover of the Journal), or from Maureen Fearn on
disc (please e-mail Maureen - [email protected] ) , at a cost of £1.25
inclusive of postage.We now have a copy of the 1981 I.G.1. for the whole country
and two microfiche readers. We hope to add other microfiche in time.
Do come and use the Library, and maybe you will be as lucky as several
members have been in finding more information about your ancestors.
If your partner is not interested in genealogy, perhaps they are gardeners.
The grounds have just been planted with 180 pink, scented rose-bushes. There is
a small pond, and several rare trees. They can enjoy the gardens while you do
your research!
I look forward to meeting you at the Library.
Audrey Rainer. Librarian
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Waiter Eves
I would like to draw to your attention the Nation Burial Index (NBI) which is
soon to be published. The NBI is a project set up and co-ordinated by the
Federation of Family History Societies. Numerous Societies, including ours , have
taken part in the project, submitting burial records, using a program called
SHROUD. Carol McClee and Peter Underwood, the Co-ordinators of the project
give the following description.
" The NBI is an index of burials taken from parish , non-conformist Roman
Catholic and cemetery registers. It includes entries from England and Wales dating
from the 16th century to modern times, although to start with, not all locations and
dates will be covered. The first edition, with more than 5.3 million names, will be
published on CDROM in the early part of 2001. It is hoped to publish a cumulative
NBI every three years or so.
PARTICIPATING SOCIETIES & Groups have produced the following
records Burial Entries per County (rounded to the nearest 1000)
Bedfordshire 52, Berkshire 51, Buckinghamshire 81, Cambridge 97, Cardiganshire
6, Cheshire 25, , Derbyshire 29, , Dorset 1, , Durham 170, Essex 22,
Glamorganshire 249, Gloucestershire 151, Herefordshire 42, Hertfordshire 79,
Huntingdonshire 58, Kent 16, Lancashire 29, Leicestershire <1 , Lincolnshire 609,
Northamptonshire 79,
Middlesex 11, Monmouthshire <1, Norfolk, 73,
Northumberland 106 Oxfordshire 256, Radnorshire 4, Shropshire 85, Staffordshire
14, Suffolk 436, Surrey 120, Warwickshire 470, Wiltshire 146, Worcestershire 490,
Yorkshire 19, Yorkshire East Riding 29, Yorkshire North Riding 308 , Yorkshire
West Riding 674 (Unlisted counties did not have a participating society or group)"
The index will include, "Forename(s) and surname of the deceased. Date
of burial Age Parish or cemetery where the event was recorded . The county of the
parish or cemetery (pre-1974 list of counties)The society or group which transcribed
the record. " Though it will not be the entire transcript, this can be obtained from the
Society who carried out the indexing. This should be an important resource for us to
help in the 'never ending search' for our predecessors.
I am awaiting further details re the publication date and costs. It is hoped
that you will be able to purchase the CD-ROM through our Society. I will endeavor
to keep you up to date.
Waiter Eves
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PUBLICA TlONS
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Maureen Fearn
2001 is already shaping up to be a busy year for the Publications team
with a number of changes on the horizon which I have covered as a pot-pourri of
news items in this article .
First, the bad news - you will find increases to postage and packing prices
for certain items on the Publications List in the centre of this journal. The areas
which have changed are the following:
a) Postage and packing on books. We were not covering the actual costs
of postage in our previously quoted prices;
b) Overseas orders will be sent by airmail not surface mail in future. We
appreciate that when overseas members are hot on the trail of those
elusive ancestors, they do not want to wait weeks for their fiche or book
to arrive.
In recent months the Main Committee of NWKFHS has been investigating
various options for allowing members (especially those overseas) to pay their
membership subscriptions or purchase publications using credit cards. We are
currently in the process of arranging a facility to purchase our publications through
the online bookshop at the Society of Genealogists website (www.sog.org.uk.) In
due course, it is likely that this facility will be extended to allow members to pay
subscriptions.
Is there anyone out there with Beckenham ancestors? The good news for
you is that volunteers from Bromley have completed transcribing and indexing
burial registers and MI's for St. George's, Beckenham. Their completed project
work has been passed on to the Publications team for production on fiche , which
should be available by June.
Another project which is progressing well under the guidance of Brian and
May Waymont is the 1891 census indexing of the NWKFHS area. Since it is
unlikely that we will publish this information in printed form due to the high costs .
Our other options under consideration appear to be microfiche or to go straight to
publication as a searchable CD Rom database. I would appreciate receiving views
from NWKFHS members on this topic.
Now - a call for volunteers. The Publications team would welcome
assistance from any members with skills in typesetting, desk-top publishing or
layout and design. With a number of projects in the pipeline, any assistance would
allow us to get them into production, sooner rather than later. We also have
opportunities for those of you with skills in the sales and marketing line. Assistance
is also needed on the NWKFHS stand at the various Family History Fairs.
Maureen Fearn, 1A Knoll Road, Sidcup, Kent DA144QT
e-mail: [email protected]
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I would like to thank all those, mainly new, members who have signed a
Declaration in recent months. The response has been most gratifying.
I would also urge any members who have not made a Declaration , or a
Covenant in the past, to do so now before the end of Tax Year. At our present
rate of progress I am hopeful that we shall double the Tax Refund this tax year.
Please do so ; it will cost you nothing. A form was included in your December
Journal, further copies can be obtained from the Branches, the Membership
Secretary or the Treasurer.
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NAME ENQUIRIES OFFICER
Lynn Searle
Lynn Sear/e, 14 Links Road, West Wickham, Kent BR4 OQW keeps a
record of all names being researched by members and will answer and record
name inquiries from members and non-members. This is separate from and
complementary to Linda Meaden's Index of Inhabitants of N.W. Kent. This service
is free but donations to the Society are welcome to cover expenses. Please send
s.a.e or 2 IRCs to cover postage.
THE 1881 CENSUS INDEX.
Our co-ordinator, Ted Finley, will provide a postal service search for
members; send him as many details of your ancestor as you can, give the county
you want searched, the surname, forename, age, and, if known, place of birth.
The cost is £1 per surname, stamps or cheque payable to NWKFHS , and sae:
overseas members four IRC's.
Members may borrow the fiche to search themselves but must collect
them from Ted and deliver them back within seven days. This service is not for one
name studies or multiple extractions.
The fiche for the county of Kent are available at all three of our monthly
meetings but must not be taken away.
Co-ordinator: Ted Fin/ey, 10 The Charne, Offord, Sevenoaks, Kent TN14 5LS
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INDEX OF INHABITANTS OF NORTH WEST KENT
Linda Meaden
Linda Meaden, 7 Middle Lane, Seal, Sevenoaks TN15 OBB will check for
specific surnames in this index. Please send s.a.e. or 2 IRCs; no search will be
made unless an s.a.e. or 2 IRCs are provided. No charge is made but donations
are welcome.
INTERNA TlONAL GENEALOGICAL INDEX
The IGI for Great Britain and a few other countries is available for consultation at
Society meetings as follows: 1988 at Dartford and 1984 at Sevenoaks. Joyce Hoad
has the other 1984 edition and the Stone & Darenth House group has the 1981
edition. It will be possible for members to have it in their own homes for consultation
or for House Groups to have it at their meetings by arrangement with the Branch
Secretary concerned. Please note however that it will be necessary for the
borrower to collect and return the fiche.
OUT-OF -AREA CO-ORDINA TOR
Margaret Watson
Members living in the UK but unable to attend meetings because of
distance or disability may contact me for help with their research.
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If you have a problem, I can refer to some of our very experienced
members to hopefully point you in the right direction. I am able to consult the
Society's library on your behalf and would be prepared to look up a specific item in
local records. However please remember this is not a research service. Please
give information clearly. A brief 'tree' is often easier to grasp, than a long rambling
letter!
Please write to me at: 9 Featherbed Lane, Addington, Croydon CRO 9AE
e-mail [email protected]
OVERSEAS CO-ORDINATOR
The Overseas Co-ordination service is run by the Meopham House Group
and they answer general queries on local family history topics, which our overseas
members cannot answer for themselves from their local sources. It is not a
research service but information can be drawn from the Society library, local
libraries and record offices and the Group's own references. If you have a problem
with your research and they cannot help then they know and can consult with some
of our very experienced members who may have the answer.
The address is:- Meopham House Group, clo
Joan Goodwins, 35 Cheyne Walk, Meopham, Kent DA 13 OPF
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KENT FAMIL Y HISTORY SOCIETY
For information regarding membership and publications available please
contact:Alan Robert Makey, Chairman & Honorary Editor, 3 Preston Court, Canterbury
Road, Faversham, ME13 8LL
Maureen Griffiths
RENEWALS SECRETARY
Maureen Griffiths, 30,Bladindon Road, Blendon, Bexley DA5 3P
NWKFHS TAPES LIBRARY
Due to the untimely death of Tony Field this service is not available at
present.
NETWORK 11
TAPE LIBRARY LISTS
KENT F H S
Tapes are available for hire, at a cost of £1.60 including postage &
packing, for 14 days. Please make all cheques payable to : KENT FHS
Please give NAME, ADDRESS, TELEPHONE NUMBER, your FHS &
MEMBERSHIP NUMBER (UK members only)
Send requests to : KENT FHS TAPE LIBRARY, Two ways', Salisbury Rd, St
Margaret's Bay, CT15 6DP
WOOLWICH & DISTRICT F H S
Tapes may be hired at a cost of £1.60 including p&p for 14 days. Please make all
cheques payable to WOOLWICH & DISTRICT FHS. Please give NAME,
ADDRESS, TELEPHONE NUMBER, your FHS and Membership Number. (UK
members only)
Send requests to : Woolwich & District FHS Tape Library, 129 Yorkland Ave,
Welling, Kent DA16 2LQ
WEST MIDDLESEX FHS
Tapes may be hired, at a cost of £1.60 including p & p for 14 days.
Please make cheques payable to WEST MIDDLESEX FHS. Please give your
NAME, ADDRESS, TELEPHONE NUMBER, FHS & MEMBERSHIP NUMBER.
( UK Members only )Send requests to : West Middlesex FHS Tape Library, 18a
Gordon Road, Ashford, Middlesex TW15 3
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COURIER SERVICES
To The Family Records Centre: A courier service to order, collect and post
certificates of birth , marriage and death for England & Wales (1837 on) from The
Family Records Centre. Searches will cover 2 years i.e. eight quarters. Send a note
of name of person for whom a certificate is sought, place or area, and the two years
to be searched; precise details if possible. Cost £8.50. Overseas readers STERLING only please. Since the Census is now at the Family Records Centre I
would be prepared to locate and copy a PRECISE address ONLY, giving number,
street and district, for urban areas and do a search of a village in rural areas. I am
afraid that I cannot undertake blanket searches of any area other than a SMALL
village as it takes too long. PCC wills pre 1858 will be searched for and copied on
receipt of full details. For both PCC wills and census the charge would be £2.50
per search. Please enclose an A5 stamped addressed envelope with your
requests , if more than 2 certificates or copies are requested the higher rate of
postage is needed.
To the Principal Probate Registry , a courier service to order, collect and
post copy Wills and Letters of Administration for England & Wales (1858 on) .from
First Avenue House. Search will cover 5 years. Cost £7.00 for each search Please
send a note of name of deceased for whom a will is sought, place or area , and the
five years to be searched ; precise details if possible please. Overseas readers STERLING only please.
U.K. and Overseas readers: Please apply to and make cheques payable
to Stella Baggaley, Saddlers House, High Street, Farningharn, Kent OA4 oor
Please mark letter NWK UK or O/S allowing 4/5 weeks and 6/7 weeks for a reply
respectively. e-mail [email protected]
1851 CENSUS -INTERIM INDEX SEARCH SERVICE
The Society offers a search service to the 1851 Census for our area that
has been transcribed and indexed but remains as yet unpublished. The service,
gives full names, ages and folio numbers and now covers the following parishes :Wrotham, Offham, Addington , Trottiscliffe, Stansted, Ightham, Northfleet, Nursted ,
Ifield , Meopham, Luddesdown , Cobham, Denton, Chalk, and Shorne (14 ,000
names). Searches will be made for inquirer's by Linda Meaden, 7 Middle Lane,
Seal, Sevenoaks TN15 OBB
If no entry is found the inquirer will be notified and a note kept to check
against later interim indexes. If the entry sought appears in a subsequent interim
index to that parish, the enquirer will then be notified. Please give forenames and
approximate ages of those sought if possible. The charge is £2.00 per enquiry
payable in advance + foolscap s.a.e.
Please make Cheques payable to the N.W.Kent F.H.S. and in Sterling
only. Postal requests only please.
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OFFERS OF HELP
Those responding to Offers of Help should enclose an SAE or IRCs as appropriate.
We welcome entries for both the HELP WANTED and OFFERS OF HELP sections
of the Journal. Please send both queries and offers of help to Miss Caroline
Blackett, 5Ba London Road, Bromley, Kent, BR1 3QZ.
HELP WANTED
Those submitting Quenes are expected to have already attempted a certain amount
of research before using this service. Please submit entnes in the format as printed
below.
MARTIN
Trevor Martin, 141 Renall Street, Masterton, New Zealand is
searching for the birth date and place of his Grandfather James
William MARTIN son of John William MARTIN ( labourer) and
Mary nee PARSONS . From his marriage and death certificates
Greenwich is stated as his birth place and his birth year around
PARSONS
1877. He is said to have jumped ship in New Zealand around
1899. Any tiny scrap of information or suggestions of what to do
next would put a hugh smile on my face. E-mail
[email protected]
NEVE
Diana Littleton, Flat 5 Stedley, The Park, Sidcup, DA 14 6DE
is trying to trace the burial whereabouts of her maternal
grandmother, Ellen NEVE who died in Pembury Workhouse
12.12.1914 aged about 26 years . The Workhouse book states
that she was buried by the 'authoirities'. Any suggestions would
be gratefully received .
ASH DOWN
Ann Hill, Wellington House, Cromarly, Ross-Shire, IV11 BXA
would welcome any information on the following people:
Albert ASHDOWN b 1831 in Lewisham living at 9 Walnut Tree
Road Greenwich in 1881 and married I think to Sarah Ann nee
TURNER. Trying to find Albert's parents and siblings but have
reached an 'impasse' . Sarah Ann not on 1881. Albert's children
are Albert Edwin, William , Henry, Frederick, Selina and Louisa
all born Deptford. Also seeking information on Philip TURNER
b 1796 in Walthamstow Albert's father-in-law.
Also interested in William ASHDOWN, Albert's son and his wife
Alice nee BARKER and her parents Mary Ann b Liverpool and
Thomas b Suffolk a baker living in Deptford.
Parents and siblings of Alice LlNDSEY b Southwark, who
married my grandfather Henry ASHDOWN of Bermondsey. Her
parents were William James LlNDSEY and Mary Jane nee
LAKE
My Austrian Great great grandfather John MARSBURG of
Plumstead married Amelia Charlotte LANE
Who or what is this occupation' carman for L&P.D.Co'?
TURNER
BARKER
LlNDSEY
LAKE
MARSBURG
LANE
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WHITE
HOOD
BROWN
WRIGHT
KIBBLE
COLVER
Maureen Rawson, 12 Hazelwood Crescent, St John 's ,
Newfoundland, A1E 6B1 is seeking information on the marriage
of Henry ELLlOn, born Woolwich April 1769 son of Thomas and
Mary nee WHITE and Ann. Henry was apprenticed to William
WHITE, waterman of Greenwich on 5 May 1785 and became
free 10 May 1792. Henry and Ann had 9 children the first two
while he was an apprentice in 1790 & 1791 all in Greenwich.
Was William WHITE Henry's master a relative of his mother?
Henry and Ann 's son Thomas ELLlOn married Elizabeth HOOD
June 1820 at Lee, witness John HOOD. Elizabeth died in 1847
so I don't know her birthplace.Any information on the HOOD
family would be welcome. E-mail [email protected]
Carol Craggs, 3 Lock Lane, Sandiacre, Nr Notts, NG 1D 5LA
would like information about the BROWN family from
Chislehurst. In 1851 and 1861 they lived in Bull Lane/Place.
William born c 1803 was a gardener and his wife Alice born c
1815 a laundress. Their children were James 1836, George
1838 both born Halsted , Thomas 1840, Philip 1842, William
1845, Emily 1847, Charlotte 1851 and Alice Jane 1855 all born
Chislehurst. Charlotte married Matthew WRIGHT in 1872 at St
Mary's Plaistow before moving to Long Eaton, Derbyshire. Other
residents in the family home include in 1851 a nephew George
KIBBLE born c 1830 and 1861 a laundress Sophie COLVER
born c 1840.
WOODGER
John P Woodger, 1 Barbel Crescent, Broomhall, Worcester WR5
3QU would like to hear from anyone who has information about
the following :- Marriage of John WOODGER with Susannah. A
son of John was bap in Bearsted 28 March 1784. A possible
daughter was an Ann. John and Susannah were in Chatham in
1788, John having previously been there until 1775.
A marriage of John WOODGER bap 1805 who had a son John
born c 1834 as aged 7, born Kent, in 1841 census of Chatham.
e-mail [email protected]
NOELL
Dorothy Wright, 22 Greenfield Road, Ossett, West Yorkshire ,
WF5 DES is looking for Edward and Jane NOELL (formally
MCLEAN ) whose daughter Jane was born at Riverhead,
Sevenoaks in 1865. A search of the 1881 census was
unsuccessful. Has anyone found them on the 1871 census of
this area? Daughter Jane, aged 17, was in Yorkshire for the
1881 census and married there in 1885. Edward was described
as a labourer on the railway on his daughter's birth certificate.
Efforts to find Edward and Jane's marriage have also been
unsuccessful. Any help appreciated.
McCLEAN
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GROVENER
GADSDEN
POLHILL
BRANCH
PACKENHAM
SKINNER
HUTCHINGS
BROWN(E)
BEAL(E)
PENNEY
NWKFHS
Mrs M Davies, 19 Elm Road ,Ewel/, Surrey, KT17 2EU would like
to hear from anyone who has info on Thomas GROVENER
listed in 1841 census as a fisherman living at Butcher Rd ,
Deptford alleged to be 50 and his wife Sarah 45. I have a note of
their 11 children and grandchildren including great grandmother
Eliza Matilda GROVENER, who married a lighterman Robert
GADSDEN at Charlton Church . Neither Thomas GROVENOR ,
Eliza's brother, his wife Emily nor Thomas and Sarah appea r on
later censuses. I have no record of the births , or deaths of either
Thomas or Sarah or their marriage the only Thomas
GROVENOR baptised at about the correct time was , Thomas
Polhill GROVE NOR at Dover 1790 but he married Mary and had
a son Charles. Does anyone know anything about the two
Charles POLHILLS, father and son. Buried at Otford? Is there a
tie up with the GROVENORS?
Joyce (Packenham) Ramage, 7650 E Inverness A ve, Mesa, AZ
85208, U. S.A is seeking the maiden name and parentage of
Jane BRANCH who married James PACKENHAM , a marine
rigger, at Deptford St Pauls 27 October 1692. He died 1701/2;
she died 13 July 1746.
Also the parentage of Ann SKINNER who married by licence at
St Mary Newington, Surrey to William PACKENHAM , shipwright,
27 October 1769. On the licence application , she states she is
'of Deptford' and he of 'Newington ', although he was born at
Deptford.
Also the parentage of Mary HUTCHINGS who married William
PACKENHAM, shipwright, 4 September 1802 at Deptford St
Pauls. The then transferred to Chatham/Gillingham where their
children were born. E-mail [email protected]
Brenda Bragg, 50 Ba/stonia Drive, Stanford Le Hope, Essex,
SS178HX would like to hear from anyone researching the
BROWN(E)/BEAL(E) surname in the Deptford area 1850/1866.
Searching for the marriage of Richard BROWNE to Harriett
Emily BEALE about 1854.Richard was shown as being born
Liverpool about 1826 in 1881 census and was an engineer
( S Mc). Harriet died at St Olave RD in 1866. Two sons born
Deptford 1857 & 1864 at 9 Blackheath Road, Deptford and 29
Arthur Street respectively, there were at least two girls Emily
Harriet April 1863 and Mary (Polly) about 1858/59 but with a
name like Mary BROWN no luck to date. No success with the
addresses on the 1861 census, 9 Blackheath road doesn 't seem
to appear at all ( I stand to be corrected here). Mary married
James PENNEY in 1884 but he age was given as 'full age' so no
help. Any help would be appreciated.
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KENTSEY
Robert Kentsley, 19 Bert Wilson Place, Howick, Auckland, New
Zealand on the 1891 census Joseph William KENTSLEY, my
grandfather, was living in Lewisham with two of my uncles.
Searches revealed that he was born 2 nd Qrt 1862 but the
certificate gave his name as Joseph Sandwell KENSTLEY father
Zacharia. Zacharia had several children some baptised at St
Alphege church Greenwich. My father did once mention that his
father had changed his name but there was no mention of
Sandwell. On the 1851 census for Greenwich there was a
SANDWELL family living in the Greenwich area. Did Zacharia
KENTSLEY name Joseph after this family for some reason? Any
help would be appreciated to try and prove that Joseph William
KENTSLEY and Joseph Sandwell KENTSLEY were the same
person thus making Zacharia my great grandfather .
e-mail [email protected]
LEVERMORE
Mrs Rita But/er, 18 St Michaels Walk, Ga/lywood, Nr
Chelmsford, Essex, CM2 8SG is seeking information on her
3xgreat grandfather Frederick LEVERMORE born 1800
Cripplegate. His second marriage to Sophie HAMMOND in 1850
was at St Olave 8ermondsey. Tel. 01245472072
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HAMMOND
RECORD OFFICE NEWS
FAMILY RECORD CENTRE
The use of Mobile phones has been restricted to telephone area and they need to
be switched off in the search rooms.
For information Tel 0208 3925300 or visit the PRO's homepages on the internet ..
ONS contact 1 Myddelton Street, Islington. London. EC1R 1UW
Internet: http://www.open.gov.uklpro/prohome.htm
e-mail : [email protected]
BROMLEY LOCAL STUDIES LIBRARY
Members should be aware that it is no longer necessary to book a fiche reader at
the library.
0208 460 9955
BEXLEY LOCAL STUDIES
Central Library 8exleyheath. Opening hours Mon to Frid 9.30 - 5.30 late night
Thurs to 800, Sat 9.30 to 5.00 and from September Sunday 10.00 to 2.00
020 8301 1545
e-mail [email protected] Talks at HALL PLACE 7.30pm
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020 7332 3820 London Metropolitan Archives, 40 Norlh Hampton Road,
London EC1R OHE
http://www.corpoflondon .gov.uk/archives/lma e mail
[email protected]
LEWISHAM LOCAL STUDIES AND ARCHIVES CENTRE
Lewisham Local Studies and Archives, Lewisham Library, 199-201 Lewisham High
St.
London SE13 6LG
02082970682
[email protected]
PRO KEW
There is now an on line catalogue of the PRO holdings available. The catalogue
allows basic searching on keywords or allows users to browse. This catalogue is an
interim one until the new fully comprehensive PROCAT if ready in 2001 . The
electronic catalogue enables users to make more efficient use of their time at Kew,
having already obtained the references that they need. http://www.pro.gov.uk
The contract for the digitisation of the 1901 Census Project has now been
awarded to the Defence Evaluation & Research Agency (DERA). Details from
Anne Crawford
02083925277 or visit the web site http://www.pro.gov.uk/census/default.htm
Further information Public Record Office, Ruskin Ave., Kew. Surrey, TW9 4DU Tel.
0208392 5200 or visit the PRO's home pages on the Internet :
http://www.open.gov.uk/pro/prohome.htm e-mail enquiry. pro.rsd. [email protected]
RECORD OFFICE CLOSURES
Family Records Centre Closed Bank Holidays
SOG
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PRO
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Closed during Bank Holidays NOT OPEN SATURDAYS
Guildhall
Library
Closed during Bank Holidays including the immediately
preceding Saturday
020 7606 3030
City of Westminster
Archives Centre
Centre for
Kentish Studies
NWKFHS
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Closed during Bank Holidays.
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INDEXES & RESEARCH AIDS
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Josephine Birchenough's Slip Indexes ( Full list to be published in June Journal)
details with Editor.
National Burial Index to be published by FFHS scheduled 20-22 April 2001
£ 30.00 including delivery
Ex-Kent Burial Index 1800-1812 covers 17,000 entries in Plumstead, Woolwich ,
Greenwich , Deptford St Nicholas and Lewisham £5.00 per surname for up to 5
entries + 20p per additional entry. Full entry information given. For each search a
free look up for the same name and years is made in a index of burial registers for
the 23 remainging Anglican parishes then in Kent and now in London from Cudham
in the south to Crayford in the East.
Mrs Jennifer Ho/mes, 17 Beadon Rd, BromleY,BR2 9AS jenniferholmes@mai/.com
Free BMD a project operated entirely by volunteers to computerise the main index
of births, deaths and marriages. As these events are reported to the co-ordinators
they are added to the database, which are made freely available to all. Anyone
with a computer can volunteer to input this information . For information log on to :
http://freebmd .rootsweb.com
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Business Archive Council This council manages a library of books and
pamphlets on business histories. The library is open to the public by appointment
and a catalogue of holdings can be purchased. If you are seeking information on a
business owned or employing one of your ancestors this may be the place to try.
Business Archives Council, :id & 4th Floor, 101 Whitechapel High Street, London,
E1 TRE fi' 02072470024
http://www.arts.gla.ac.uk/Archives/bac.htm
Parish Register Transcription Society This Society was formed in April 1999
with the aim to publish transcripts of Parish Registers and is non profit making. A
catalogue of material available can be obtained from P. V Elmes, 50 Silvester
Road, Cowplain, Waterloovil/e, Hampshire, POB BTL [email protected]
http://www.prtsoc.org.uk
Index of the name King covers all counties of England marriages and baptisms.
Mr Brian Greenham, 19 Cashford Gate, Taunton, Somerset, TA2 BOA
ONE NAME STUDIES
Paul Newton would welcome any information on the name NEWTON for a one
name study being conducted by himself and the Essex FHS.
Deatails from PAUL Newton, Mazoe, Buttons Lane, West Wel/ow, Hampshire, S01
6BR
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FEDERA TlON OF FAMIL Y HISTORY SOCIETIES
For general FFHS enquiries
e-mail [email protected]
COURSES, LECTURES & VISITS
PROKEW
Forthcoming courses
April 2 - 30
April 21
11am -2pm
April 28
May10
10.30pm - 4pm
May 12
11am -2pm
May 19
May19
June 9
June 23
June 29 - 30
Kew Month
Calligraphy Workshop
Costumed Tours of the Education and Visitor Centre
Documenting History: Interpreting Britain's Archival
Heritage
Tickets £35.00
Calligraphy Workshop
Hearth Tax Day
Tickets £35.00
Costumed Tours of the Education and Visitor Centre
Calligraphy Workshop
Costumed Tours of the Education and Visitor Centre
The Missing Dimension: British 20 th Century Intelligence
Tickets
£80.00 for two days; £45.00 for each day.
July 5 6.30pm
Henry VIII: King and Court
Tickets £5 .00
July 14
Calligraphy Workshop
July 28
Costumed Tours of the Education and Visitor Centre
Details from PRO by post or on line [email protected]
THE INSTITUTE OF HERALDIC AND GENEALOGICAL STUDIES
79 - 82 North Gate, Canterbury eT1 1BA. 11: 01227 768664.
Library Appeal donations sought for the provision of a new library.
Heraldry
The Professional Approach
Palaeography
Tracing your Family History
Day School
Day School
Day School
Residential
E-mail [email protected]
NWKFHS
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12 May
16 June
23 - 27 July
WEBSITE www.ihgs.ac.uk
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SOCIETY OF GENEALOGISTS
14 Charterhouse Buildings, Goswell Rd. London EC1M 7BA. : 02072535235
Rob Thompson , Sales and Marketing Manager at SOG e-mail [email protected] .uk
COURSES LECTURES AND VISITS
APRIL
Thu 5
tba
Sat 7
2.00
Wed 11
2.00
Thu 12
Sat 21
6.00
10.30
Wed 25
2.00
Fri 27
2.30
Sat 28
10.30
MAY
Fri 4
Wed 9
2.00
Sat 12
10.30
Tues 15
Thu 17
6.00
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10.30
Wed 23
2.00
JUNE
Fri 1
1.00
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Sun 3
Wed 6
10.00
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2.00
Wed 13
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Thu 14
2.15
NWKFHS
VISIT : Marylebone Cricket Club and Library Max 25
(£9.00 : £7.20)
LECTURE: Research Abroad: Sources for New Zealand.
Marie Hickey
( £4.00: £3.20)
TUTORIAL: Using Brothers Keeper software
Neville Taylor
(£7.00 : £5.60 )
Society closes for Easter reopens 17 April at 10.00am
TUTORIAL: Advanced use of Family Treemaker Software
Helen Williams
(£7.00:£5.60 )
LECTURE: This Sporting Life :Kick Off! An overview of the
History and development of sport and its players.
Chris Hart
(£4.00: £3 .20)
VISIT: Order of St John Library and Museum, St John's
Gate, Clerkenwell. Max 25
(£9.00: £7 .20)
REVISION WORKSHOP: Cramming for Genealogy Exams
Geoff Swinfield
( £20.00 : £16.00)
Society Closed
LECTURE : My Ancestors were English Presbyterians
Alan Ruston
( £4 .00: £3.20 )
TUTORIAL: Using Generations for Beginners software
John Hanson
( £7.00:£5.60 )
Members Evening
REPEAT VISIT: Bethlem Royal Hospital Museum and
Archives
Max 10 ( £9.00: £7 .20 )
WORKSHOP : Using Title Deeds
David Smith
( £20.00: £16.00 )
TUTORIAL: Using Genealogy Packages
Jeanne Bunting
( £7.00 : £5.60 )
COURSE: What's in it for me? A nine week course on
contents of Library.
( £50.00: £40.00 )
Open Day for Non Members
Free
LECTURE: This Sporting Life: Records of Football and
Footballers
Dave Twydell
( £4.00: £3.20 )
TUTORIAL: Multimedia & Video Conferencing
Jeanne Bunting, John Hanson & Alec Tritton
( £7.00: £5 .60)
VISIT: University of Sussex, Mass Observation Archives
Max 15
(£10.00: £8.00)
Own travel
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Sat 16
2.00
Tues 19
Sat 23
6.00
10.30
Sat 30
10.30
COURSE: Scottish Ancestry
Elizabeth Mortimer
(£10.00: £8.00 )
AGM
STUDY DAY: Emigrants and travellers by sea
Gordon Read et al
( £20.00: £16.00 )
STUDY DAY: Internet for Genealogy
Various
( £20.00: £16.00
CONFERENCES, EXHIBITIONS & FAMIL Y HISTORY FAIRS.
20 - 22 April
5 - 6 May
19 May
8-13 July
16 - 20 July
8 Sept
31 Aug- 2 Sep
17 - 23 Sep
Federation of Family History Societies: From the Cup of
love. Spring Conference at Leicester University. Details
Mrs Jeanne Bunting, Federation Conference, Firgrove,
Horseshoe Lane, Ash Vale, Aldershot, Hampshire, GU125LL.
Please enclose A5 stamped self addressed envelope.
SOG Family History Fair Royal Horticultural Hall Greycoat
Street, SW1
Berkshire FHS : Open Day 2001. Larkmead School, Abingdon
Information Ken Marsden, 01235525797
London 2001: 21 sI International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy. Details Or A P Joseph clo Westboume Road,
Edgebaston, Birmingham B15 3TX
[email protected]
PRO Family History Summer School PRO Kew. Details
Interpretation, PRO, Kew, Surrey TW9 4DU
Family History Road Show Warwickshire FHS at Bulkington
Village Centre, Bulkington, Warwickshire . Details 7 Mersey
Road, Bulkington, Warwickshire, CV12 9QB
Forward to the Past: Organised by Society of Genealogists at
Imperial College London a major conference on twentieth
century records. Details Society of Genealogists, 14
Charterhouse Buildings, Goswell Rd EC1 M 7BA
2001 - A Genealogical Odyssey. 4!h Irish Genealogical
Congress Trinity College, Dublin. Details Irish Genealogical
Congress, clo National Archives, Bishop Street, Dublin B,
Ireland. http://indigo.iel-irishgc
BOOKS AVAILABLE
Wartime Hayes written and published by Trevor Woodman
Paperback A5 167pages 31 illustrations
£6.00 + 85p p&p
Available from : Trevor Woodman, 19 Hayes Hill Road. Hayes, BR2 7HH
[email protected] .co.uk
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FFHS Publications Ltd
Books available
A Secretary Hand ABC Book Alf Ison 1982 £3 .95 + postage
ISBN 0-9508366-0-5
Tracing your West Indian Ancestors -Sources in the PRO
Guy Grannum 1995 £ 8.95 + postage ISBN 1-873162-20-0
Registration Districts -An alphabetical list Ray Wiggins 1998
£2.50 + postage ISBN 1-85951-700-5
Available from FFHS Publications Ltd, Unit 16 Cheshamlndustrial Centre, Oram
Street, Bury, Lanes, BL9 6EN fj" 0161 7973843
Fax 0161 7973846
on line INWW. familyh istorybooks. co. uklshop/pages/general. htm
Newton Family Tree ( descendants of Simon Newton GGGGGF of Sir Isaac)
published by the National Trust £12.50 including postage.
Deatails The National Trust, Woolthorpe Manor, Woo/sthorpe-by-Co/sterworth,
Grantham, NG335NR fj" 01476860338
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Recent deaths of members
Mrs Maureen Barnes
We regret to announce the death of Mrs Maureen Barnes on 16 January 2001 .
Maureen was the instigator and founder member of Sevenoaks Branch in
September 1986 and was it's first chairman. Our deepest sympathy goes to her
daughter, Mrs Serena Stewart and her family.
Mrs E M 'Bunny' Davison
Member No 999
Bunny will be remembered by some of the more long standing members as a
charming , unassuming lady whose skill and knowledge of genealogy was
considerable. She had written an excellent history of her family which would have
been the envy of many of our members.
Tom Manthorpe, Goise, 54 The Fiarway, Bromley, BR1 2JY
Mr Sid Aust
Mr Geoff Ashmole
Member No 2600
Member No 2244
Lynne Marsh Sevenoaks Chairman
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OBITUARY
TONY FIELD 1931-2001.
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The Society Committee regrets to announce the death of Tony Field. We
send our sincere best wishes and condolences to Joan and his children Anita,
Emma, David, Stephen and Caroline and his grandchildren Rebekah and Benjamin.
He died on Monday 15th January 2001 after being in apparent good health. He will
be sorely missed by many of us personally as well as by the Society. He was a
good friend and an extremely hard worker for the Society. He was one of those who
set up the very successful Computer Group and was persuaded to be its first
Chairman I know he was looking forward to being re-elected at the Branch Annual
Meeting. Also he recorded the speakers on tape, initially at all the Branches and
later, as other help came forward, just Bromley and Sevenoaks. He edited the
tapes and ran the tape library so that our members could hire these tapes at a
nominal fee, being particularly useful for "out of area members". He was an active
member of the Society Main Committee contributing to many of the major
decisions, especially FFHS matters, accompanying David Cufley on many of the
FFHS AGM's and conferences.
He served as a Vice-Chairman on the main committee as well as Bromley
representative and latterly represented the Computer Branch in which he had been
instrumental in forming with the aid of other enthusiasts. In 1993 he was a member
of the small sub-committee helping to rewrite the constitution of the Society to bring
it up to date.
The two conferences at Avery Hill, the last in 1999, saw him on the
conference organising committees and on the dashing about to ensure they were a
success.
Tony with his wife Joan and their best friends Shirley and Brian Kell
represented the Society at many Fairs all over the country. They were the faces of
NWKFHS to many members who could not get to the branch meetings.
Tony gave a helping hand to many members so he will be missed for his
personal contact also. He helped in many other ways, sq we will miss him very
much.
Ken Lee - Chairman
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A personal view of Tony
David Cufley
Tony was not the easiest person to get on with but once you had got to
know him you found him to be enthusiastic and committed to his hobbies and
interests. Tony and I did not always agree on everything in family history circles but
his views were respected and I knew his heart was in the right place. He was
committed to the Society and brought his professionalism to everything he did. A
sound engineer who had worked for commercial television made him pedantic, as
he strove to get all he did right first time. A very difficult aim in life to adopt. He did
not suffer fools gladly and expected us all to meet his high standards. I'm still trying.
On the long car journeys to Federation meetings we put the world to rights
and counted the 'Eddies' that we passed on the motorways. Fried breakfasts at
service stations became the highlights of these trips, much to Joyce Hoad's disgust
when she came on these journeys. He became a very good friend. I learnt of his
• ancestors who had worked in the theatre and lately about the research of his family
members who had served in the RAF. Tony served his national service in the RAF
and had a very good knowledge of the aircraft, so this research brought together
two of his interests. My talk of sport did not rate high on his topics of conversation.
He told me of his working life around the television Studios and of outside
broadcasting events. I learnt of his childhood in Whitstable, which was so different
to my south London upbringing.
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He spent long hours on his computer largely to the benefit of the Society.
It was Tony who with Stephen Archer scanned all the church photographs for the
parish information on the web site. If you wonder how telephone boxes, cars and
cables disappeared from these views I can now reveal it was at Tony's hands they
were removed. These computer talents were all self taught and if you wanted to
know about 'hardware' or the latest family history 'software' he was your man. This
love of computers and the funds generated at the conference enable his dream of a
computer branch to teach and advise family historians of this new research tool to
be realised.
Someone said 'nobody is indispensable and like a finger poked into a bowl
of water there is no indentation when it is removed'. In Tony's case if he leaves no
indentation he will have left a mark of his being and ripples from his activities will
continue to be felt within the Society for many years.
David Cufley - Vice President
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