How did Nitto start. and wherc did "Nitto"
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How did Nitto start. and wherc did "Nitto"
M6, Noriko Yaba.hi. än .mploy... and M.. Akka Yoshitawa. Nino s prBident and m2in designer. How did Nitto start. and wherc did "Nitto" come ftom? This company was lounded by my grandfalherrn 1923 in Aral.awa lokyo ft startedoli as a chrome plate facrory for handlebars,which then becamesolely a manulac(rrer of handlebars by my grandmother'stime It will be 80 yearsof producingbicycle pans in Seprember 2003 (ln 1992.Nirro HandlebarManufacruringbecame Nirto Co L(d ) I donl know why we are "Nitto iI happened before my ome here lt was the former presidenas What were Nitto's first products?Do vou still have samples of them? Have you alwäls and exclusivelvmade bicvcleparts? I don r (hrndwe haveanithing trom rhFfrrsrproduc rion-that would be 80 y€arsago.But we hav€ some parts that are 60 yeaß old. and if anybodywants it. we ll send ir ro (hem As for other parrs,abour 10 yearsago we slarled making automobileparts.bul n didn t last long becauseour bike buslnesssranedpjcking up againiand we havenr gone back to car parts.We preler bicycles.so now we make only bike pa(s How big is Nitto? \ e have-48employees forry men and erghtwomen About 20 perceni women Our factory is 5000 rsubo.and I believeone tsubo is aboul 35 or 16 squarefee( So. rf lt s 36 squarefeet,that would make the facto.y about 180.000squarefeet What's the averageage of the women? It s hard to say, and I dont ask. But I know rhree are about 21, and rwo are about 40 Our be$ fill€t brazer and lug brazeris a woman of about 40. Her name is Mrs. Noriko Yabashi.she is good wirh lhe filler. In general,mos! employeesare ln their 40s.but we have four or five young ones, around 20 In the past two, three years.one or rwo havejoined each year About five yearsago.a fellow of 72 yearsreriredafrer fifty-s€ven yeals with us-he shrted when he was fifte€n. and was a lathe and milling rnachinespecialist. He received an äward from the city of Tokyo for his dedication and continued woik oler the years. lr really was quite remarLable- About 80* of ou. €mployees have been with rrs for over l0 yeaß- The tumover lale is pfe[y row. You u,orkedfor Shimanoonc€,didn't !rou? Yes,but I stanedmy biclrle careerit Nitto b6fore I ac!uallygraduated from college.Then,whenI gradua@d collegein 1971, I went ro Shimanoand studiedengineerqualirycontrol.andcos!managemenr. ing,cold'forgin8, After7 years,in 1978.I rejoinedNitto. We havea goodrelationship with Shimano.of couise. quhe We knowthem well,and havebeenfriendEfor many. many years. You'vemade Dartsfor Shimano.too. And who elsehaverou'made oafis fo(? Well. rt is su-Doosed to be'confidenrial,but of course everyone kn;;rs we made parts for Specialized, fufchey, Cannondale.and mayb€ some others Thes€yearsmost supplieF go to Taiwanor China for much lessexpensi\reparts,When was Nttto busiest,and how did tl|e bike boom of the '70s.and the mountain bike boom of the '8os affect prcduction? Our biggestg?owthpemodoccurredbeNeen 1965and 1975.Thosewere the be$ years.After fte bike boom. businessstabiftzedundl the mountain bikes became poplrlar.That s when Gary (Fisher)and Tom (turchey) paid us a visit. and we started to ma.kebars, slems, änd seat postsfor them. l've seen a photo of Tom Ritahevt€achin{ a Nitto emDldvee to fillet braze. l,lihen wasihat? I rhink Toir m-u€hrus ro frllet brazein 1987or 1988.He wanted us to m;ke the Bullmoosehandlebar,which was popular üen. He is particularabout the shapeof the fillet. and we videotapedhim teachingour best welder at the lirne, Mr. Fukushima.We were making about 10,000 Bullmoosehandlebarsa day then. In the US,you cant competewith the pricesfrom Taiwan,they are lessthan half price-of course,the personnelexpens€sare drasricaily different.Then he went back to the U.S.,and returneda month later to check up on us to seeif it really was coming out as he had said.At about lhe same time, Tom also taughrIshiSaki-san,at Toyo. Tom's braz' ing lorch was very easyto useand I lhink his brazing rod was somerhingwe didnt have inJapan at the time, somethingespeciallyfor fillet. So now we fillet-braze slems, racks.cages.and some faames,too. After the stem. the Bullmoosewas done. we M6. [email protected] k one of .l!lh. wome! wto sork at Nltto. and rh. b6r b.@r of th. bunch. Ev.ry lugg.d sl.m you 8.r fom s, shebd.d, Sh. ll b. b@ind morcthis fall. .nd q.'ll harc then in stnk in D.cemb.r or J.nurt, we.e getting bored ofthe Bullmoose when Mr. Fisher approach€d us to make rhe single extension stem. and after that we phas€d out the Bullnoose. You supplyaUtlle Japanpostalworkerswlah handlebatsand stems.How did that come about, and how long has it beengoin9_ Thereweieoriginally thieeor fourcompanres manufacturinghandlebars for thelvlinisrry of Posts and Telecommunication.Nitto becamefhe only company as our handlebaß weae very sturdy, easy to use and the leasrlikely ro rust. we've been doing it for more than 40 years.Sincethe parts are for the government,rhe government suppliesall ofthe specificadons. fue those bats and stems exclüsir€ for the govem. ment, or can anybody buy them? And how come thev have rod bräkes, ladler than some nomal kind of ö.ble brake? No.anybodycanbuy the barsandsrems.but lhey a.ent the fashionmostriderswant,of course.Theyre goodfor the mailman,who rides50kmro 4okmeverydaygathering mail ftom eachbo)(and deliveringir. andusingrhe brakesareverysrop.wirh rhiskind of use,rhe rod brake is more durablethan the cable brakes. even if rhey re well-maintainedand lübricaaeo. Durlng the '70s,what perc€ntof lDur businesswasexpoate4and how much wasfor Japan.And, what's it llke today? In the 7Os,30% was expon, 70% for the domestic market.Now, it hardly reaches 20% for export. It was high in the 80s as well, around 30%. In the 90s it dropped to 20% and now it is still around 20*- Nitto's t aditiona.l stems and handlebars-the Fearl and some of the Technomlcs-are a lot ltke cinelll's older models. whlch came nrst, cinelli or Nitto? And talk about ltallan design, in general, and any inlluence they've had on Nitto's style. Nltto m.t... f.* h.m...1r.4 days,t@. H.i. 3 . t n.y on. th.y rc öuild ror Shim.no 3 tuturlstlc bllics (iuto 3hlftlnC, .ompu&nr.d üi5.nd that). lt's .lqminum. susFnd.d. .nd unde*o.r rl&rcu. lh.Llnc wlth lort of wlllht on lt. slfrul.tin!|, p.rhsps, a suno w.riof ridinC lt down . bumpy rcad for lc.ß and y.aB. Wellbasically.mostof theJäpanese han' dlebarsin the old days were the Praleighrype, made wirh a buik-in rod brake lever.But in the 70s, Nitto's president traveled around rhe world and saw many types ofbicycles, which influencedhim. He bought Campagnoloparts and wanted to sell rhem injapan, and decided he wanted to make parts for road bikes. The Pearlstem.with a flush (allen)nut for the handleba. clamp, was somethinghe came up wi(h after he studied the Europeanstems.Ar the time, it seemedquite odd to rheJapanese.But Mr. cinelli encouragedhim ro go about his design The Cinelli stem was tightenedin rhe rear. We showed him what we had made,a stem that tighaenedfrom the front. Cinelli said rhat he had come up with a designthat was very similar but üat we should go aheadwilh ours and that he would withdraw his idea. Th€ old man Cinelli us€d to think about handlebarsevery waking minute. and it turned out that his idea was similar to ours. In the end, he withdrew his, and Nino producedthe Pearlmodel, which we still make. It looks like a Cinelli 1/A-l think thafs the As for ltalian designin general.I think ir is wonderful. Only a country with such rich culrure could create such amazingdesign. After the "yen shock" of 19E5,Nitto lost many customersto Täiwan.How did this 'txodus" (mas9 migration) affect Nitro as a buslne$s,and you per. sonallv?WerEwu sad,an{t., disapDolnrcd? we srill had Am-eflcancuaroh6rswhdd ir wrs 80 yen to a dollar. The producrslike the long neck stem (Technomic).thar we consialerour specialty,sold even when the yen was srrongbecausethey were alreädy fairly developed,establishedproducts. lt was härder with the newerproduc6, ln 1972, l\.e heard, thet€ were mäny handlebar and $em make6 ln TokJo done, but now Jbu'r€ the only one left, That seems odd, slnce your focus ls so high.end, and lt seems that the hlgh-end bike mafket tn Japan ls rsladv€ly small, with all the commute. blkes and all. Yes.well, thereusedto be 37 manufacturers in just this pan ofJapan.andwe arethe only onesremaining Maybe10percentof our barsand stemsgo to the government,but the rnajorityo[ our productionis roädand specialtyshapes,includingbikesfor commuteror everydäybikes.I think our attentionto detailandqualiryhas rnadethe differencefor us.Evenfor non-sponsuse,for instance, the qualitymattershere.Forinstance,if a womanis buyinga bicyclejustfor herselfandfor doing errands,a bicycleunder10,000yen (S80)is sufficient Butwhenit comesto carryingher child.not only does shewäntthe safestbicycle.shewantsa benerbicycle Whetherit be on Bridgestone or thanher neighbors. lvlaruishi, shewill want ir to fulfill a wholeotherränge ofcriteria:Is it sturdy?Doesit rusd will it lasta long theyre so time?Sure,Chinesepartsare populalbecause inexpensive, but whenyou ligurequality.the aesthetic beauty,how comfo(ableit is to usefor the rider,our handlebars standout, Thehighqualiryhashelpedus survive.I rhinkrhatif you focusroo muchon the numbersand cost,it is inevitablethat the quality will suffer. we makesurethat eachhandlebaris carefullycheckedaflerit is made.We quality? You meanrhedirecrionof *re companjAWell being a Japanesecompany,we have the hiShestpersonnel expense in the world. so I thinft we are interestedin accortmodating the bicycleenthusiasts who are lookng for high-end,qualiry products.Insteadof trying to pleasethe masses.we aie happyto p.ovidequalityprod. ucts for the varying needsand wanls of the enrhusiassand taceß, Asfor rhe sizeof the company,I rhinkt is fine as it is. Ifyou havebeenin this b{rsinesslike we havefor quite someaime,it is hard ro make changes.lt seemsimpossible D.ining rh. rr.m qdu, Nitro hol& th. d.lll bit .t tlonary .nd lpiß .h. qlill, whlch yo! ön r.r sdcldnt to be adventurousand take @i or this ch.frb.r. ßy k .pintlth. bh .t tton.ty. th.rc's no t n.trn.. io. it to .ldft üd nn4 freyb., lt risks when you havesucha orn w.y .hourhth. qsill, Thii s.y.$sEs a @nc..rric ddlllng. tradidon,a way of doing thingF,and havebeen mahing also make sure to continue providing produc6 for the parts years. for 60-70 It is easierto say, "Well. ir's enthusiasts,and high end market.Evenwhen therc were worked well this way thus far, why changeit?" Althoügh far more saleswith the handlebarsfor the utility bicynow,thereis so muchactivityin rhemarketin oneyear. cles,we continued to make the more high-endhandleaboul as much aclivity as five yearsbackrhen, rhat we bars. Now we aaes€eing growth in this aJea With have ro try new üings or elseour heodlebarswill 'mini-cycles" (ulility bicyclewilh small wheels)it is all becorne really old and outdated.But anyway.we arent about the cost, as concernedaboutgrowth in sales,we just want to continue to provide qüality products. Nittol qrattty is legendary,but morc so in Japan than ouBtdeJapan.Of couße,knowledgeableblke peoplein the U.S.kno$, about Nltio, but 'Nltto" is not lenerallv a hmiliar brand. Yeah:we doril adveniseverymuch Fortraditional people,it is thoughttharif onemakesgood Japanese products,that the peoplewill buy.rha!the p.oducrswill soeakfor themselves.Evenif one doesnot advertiseas longasir is of the highesrquality,it will s€ll.Qualftyis everlthing.I rhinkthingsarc changingnow wherewe haveto let peoplewho arebuyinghandlebars for rhe first time know äbout the advan6gesto buying our produc6,or simplyto providemoreinformation.There will alwaysbe first dme buyersand we do needro advertise in orderto establishourselves to themasa brandthey can trust. Yes,we do n€edto advenisemoae.We,includingfte chairman,werevery happyandgrarefulwhenyou intro. ducedNitto in your catalogue.Il gaveour cuslorneßa fullerpictureofwho we wereasa company. thlk about yorrr size, about grcqrth, wherc you'r€ headed. Could Jou get bigger and sdll ftalntaln Ntttob teedng hclttty is $ell-knor rn among lndüstry insldeß and cl.rstomers-Wtthout namlng names, does Nttto test handlebaE and stems fior other manufactu€rs? Do thev alrrä\,s Dasi wur tesrs? Yes.Specializldhasask€fuus toiei rheii pans many times.Wetes!productsftom otheacompanies to give our opinionon whetheroi not it is OK.We havenor beenaskedby Taiwanor the USthough-except for Specialized, as I said. I've heard that Nltto delEloped st€m and handlebar t stsforJts0apanese Indusry Sandad).Is dris true?At€ Nitto'ssandatdshigherthanJIS? Le!s see,how shouldI pur this?: TheJlS,Jäpanese Indu$ry Standard,was originally establishedby comp6' nentcompanies so it is preFylenient.Jus!because a product passesthe JISstandad doesnt assureanythin8. It is easyto pass,Mountainbike standardsare differenr. They are regulatedby the industrialassociation.But anyway,a top manufacturer mu$ setils own srandards. How tough the standardis another question-Basically,a thousandhandlebaas sold meansthere are ä thousand A rinished lu!8pd s|em. since w. show phorosof ir b.ing made, it seemsonly dSht lo show this one ofrhe finished nem. we.re rak, ing ofde6 for these now. Deliery $m€tlme thii win.€r. 5200... Handlebarte$ing. The stem quall is fix.d in a heavy-duryctamp t elimlnar. flex, so all the srres eill b€ plac.d on th. ba6. wetghts aß added and rhe oicillarion rällo€dto rhe panicutar rest. peopleusingour handlebars. evenif onebrakesor bends,it is only onerenrhof one percent,but it means that a personmaybe in an accidentbecause ofus. So, we areinternallyexrrasrrict,because we wantto make surethaneveryrhingis safe. You'rE ulffa-conservative when it comes to weight and st€ngth. Have you ever been asked (by a custorner) to "rclax J|our standÄrds and just make lt weigh _ grams"? Regarciingthe weight aspect,we havein the pasr,with Tom Ritchey,triedto be numberone.Whenit comesto makingthe world'smosrlightcomponent. thereare alwaysnew producrsrharwill be lighteror rhe materials may change,the productionmethodmay change.The morehandlebars one makes,the greaterthe chancethat therewill be a faultyone-it is mäthemarical. Of course.we will not mäkeanythingbelowour standards,evenifa cusromerasksus ro do so underrheir name.Whenit comesto new products,we areespecially diligenrandput rheproductsundera stricrinspection. For a 2001broad ride!, how light can a bar be made and stlll pass your standards? The lighrestis 2609. About 250'2609.Ifyou rry ro make it lighrcr than 2009,you have to üse 7075. You have to use better grade material. Sothe 7000s€riesls süon{er? Thetensilesrrengrh yes,burrheproblemrs is hrgher: thät, when there is high impacr,the 7075 breaks becauseia is briftle. With the 2OO0series.it bends€asier. We think this is safer for the customerifit b€ndsinsread ofbreaking. I've heard that aluminum handlebats should be r€pläced every five !€ars. Do ),ou agree $ith this? Even if thev have not been crashed? The life spai of aluminum is shorrerlhan steel.If you make an alurninum handlebarand dont even use ir fot ten years,it is significantlyweaker than when ir was new We know thar our handlebarsand stemsare qu'te strong,of course,but when rhey are aluminum, it is safestro replacetheft before they break,or show signs ofbreaking. lt is a personaljudgement from the rider. as to when to clothis. Overthe years,and still now,you'w madesolid forgedalüminum stemsand tubular Tlc-welded ones(CrMo).I understandthat they all haveto pass your tou8h tests,bur whlch is srronger? I he aluminum used in our torgeclsremsis essentiallyan extruded material,and it has a grain, like wood. It has a strong direclion and a weaker direction.But when we forge it inro rhe shapeof a srem.rhe grain follows the shape,so you don't havea Problem. Forthe sameweightin aluminum,in our tesrs.the forgedis slrongerthan lhe non.forgedsteelstem.ll isn t assimPle asdeclaringonestronger,rhough. becausethere are other variables,such äs the rypeof steel,whelherit is heatlrea@dof no!. andso on. gut anyway. Nltto products a.!ervell-known fot ütetr 6eauty. who deslgns most of them? and 80%of we donl havea d€signer, I do from within. rhe designscome by The wriring mos!ofrhe designing. was ini' Pea.l. the handlebatclamp, Thit on. .howt th. N to malr.i all the ba6 ud 5!.n. for th. poital sdi.. tially designedwithin the company but was not very rcd b.al.s F.n or th. .!.cmbly), A blh. chäin 3ttachcs to !h. ..nt.r Por' good becauseit looked tooJapanese. don and pulß the bdkd tnto th. rin. slfrPl.,3trcnC, end b.tt r 3!it d lo As for graphics,I don l do that a5 much. I think that for mdl bllcs than c.bl.-oP.rated br.k.s. some things,like logos,using a designerwould help us keep up with the times. lf its OK lo us€ the old ones think aboutrl. we wantto be flexible. we dont mind using them, We are now considering making the company logo smaller and maldng the prod' well, I still like that cank idea, and I know l|te uct name larSerlike shimano did with Dura'Ace Ultegra. could selt a few hundred of them pe.l,ear, even if and 105. they cost 5350. But I know it'd lake a long dme to Bü! makin{ wur name smaller would make it ha.rderto b-e;ome known outslde ofJapan. say ln the USA. oh. maybeyou areright.TheUSis sucha largemarket so thereareprobablymorepeoplewho don t know äboutNitto. The Nftro crcst that you engrave lnto the handlebar sleews on lDur drcp bals looks grcar but it do6n't look laDanese.whert did lt come from? rr.ir wäsabout40 yearsago.There Mv uicle designed weremanyentriesfor the desiln,and fte company some[hingsimilarlo the chosetheone that represented familycrestsin Europe.And,he wasä significantman in the company,of course. Have you ever considered maklng olher Parts besldes bals, stems s€ät po5ts, racls and bottle ca{es?The idea of a Nitto crank apPealsto me.... wärred lo mäkea crMo crank.usingiubes.but it took too muchtime and effotrfot whatthe customeraclually benefits.cranksaredifficult.It hasto not oscillateand therear€so manydifferentthingsto consider'we want to producethingsthat custometswill reallybe ableto is vety diffiout of all componenE, enjoy.Thederailleur, it shifts,it moves.we prefetto cult !o designbecause makebicyclepartsthat don t move, But of courseif ahereare any goodideas.we will get that project ofr the gtound, so folget it br now. Is there qood tidin( atound here? It is betre;nearthisiew factory.thanthe old one LJpin Fukushimait is berler,lhough.I tour in that area6 times a year,with a groupof old friends-I m in it, the chair_ man.the salesdirector,alsoMr. Mitsui,all from Nittoare in ir. Andthe formerpresidentofBridgesbne,Mr. Akamaandthe presidentbeforehim, Mr. Choraburo Yamafluchi are in this gtoupaswell. Do j,ou have childrcn and hmi[4 lfso, do they wort at Nitto. or have any bigrcle intercsts? well thevarestill studenls.It wbuldbe nrcerf oneor two wouldtakeoverthe companyButit is up to them, you know.Therearethree. what ate your othet interests? How much time do vou have to Dursue them? At the momeit I dont havelnlerestsotherthancycllng well. I guessI havefishing-fßhingwith my children. museumsand8alAlso,an, I enioygoingto exhibitions. lerres,wrth my wife. when do wu Dlan ao rEtirc? well, wheriI fe,öllike l ve reachedmy limrt.Our chairmanis 78 now,and he hasnl retired.so maybeI have tharone mu$ decide manyyealsro go.It is something on ones own time,andso far I haventdecidedat ail Thiny yeaß ago, and up untilthe anl.ss 90s, allgood handlebarrhad engravedcrcetsofeome rort. To our knowledgeNittos the only modern mat€r who still do.s it. Anolher €r.frple of how Nitto followi ils osn päth. rhanr Spodn.se What is your favodte Nitto prodüct, and why? The one thar left rhe most impressionor impact would have to be rhe Bullmoosehandlebar.lt was when no on€ had rhe fainte$ idea of what a mountain bike w:ls. Gary Fisherand Tom Rircheybrought the Bullmoosehändlebar ro us. as Ive said Y€s.rhar would have ro be it. Also. the new CrMo stem is impressive.the thin-gaugetubing, rhe way rhe forging made such a lighr änd srong handlebar. Next. it would have ro be Shimanos DI II bicycle. You roclejt yesrerclay, the red one. lt sugge$sa direction of bicyclesin the furure. We built only about 60 or 70. The retail price is 180.000yen, about Sf,5O0.or so. wher€ do wu Eet ideas for new prcducts? Thereare (liree inaln areaswe ger o'ur ldeasfor products l_ir$, rher€ is always,whar I would want.. what I wish for myself. Secondly,rhereare rdeasthat come through the shops(hat we deal with who get requestsfrom their customeß who compete in road and mountarnand Üiathlon. Thirdly. we get Informarion from the marketing r€searchof the various bicyclecompanies.But mainly, when I ride I alwaysthink ol ways that it can be macle more fun. enjoyable.Its hard (o really get new ideas wl!houtriding. Wher€ did "Crlstal Fellow" (seat post model) come hom? lt seems an odd narne for a seat post, or anythin€ else, for that marter Our aharrmancameuo wrrhthe nameand a skerchof the design.Afterward;, ir was turned over to the R&D group where they rogelh€rcame up with the prototype The seatpillar took abou! three months to make into a product and two months for Ihe handlebarstem. Fine, bur whv 'crvstal Fellorr"? Oh Fellow aamelrom the rdpaol lnendsJr o'urn.rs. which you may call your fellows. l-hesrliling of the handlebar and seat pillar are similar. like ä famrly fellow. or ber$een ffl ends or brothers/srsrers Tell us about the bottle cage design. Did )ou do it on a computer? No, the chäirman sketchedit by hand. on paper. I made the productaon drawingfrom the 'pen€ilandpaper" sketchthat rhe chairman had drawn. At the rime, a few yearsago.we didn\ have a computer Now we havc one. but still sketchour original ideason paper When yoü send us your hand-sketch.i( js the sameway. I make it neater.Someaspectsof designare bestdon€ by hand, becauset givesa befter resuk And, rhe hand drawing is often faster.We transfera hand clrawingto the computer if w€ need to: but of coursethe handsare thc nrosr important Wa ofrar Nltto barr, 3teftr, seat p$t5 exclusively, and ü€ cualantbfworldng on ncw model5with Ma. Yolhlkawr. NlatoproducB arc th. b.st of their qpe tn tftc eo.ld- Thqr ar! conristrntly bcaltlft{, rometlnaa rhockingly !o, lf you'rb uscd to normal fü!; and dt.y ala thoroüghly tasted and Jt ont. Every ,ood bikc dcsrwrr rorrrfhin, ftom Nitto. Workingname.the R-14. las a lot like our currentminirear rack, but it attachesto the seat stays instead of the seat posti and ir's a li(le longer. The new attachment isn t something we reEarda5 an upgrade,but it does allow easier lev€ling on odd-sizedbik€s. And it's sligh.ly longer. Eventually we ll have a trunk ballfor it. and in the meantime it s slill a fine saddlebagsupport, and usetul for srrapping on a stuffsack tull of ovemighl gear, in th€ on€-in-a'million chance you don t have a saddlebag. It attachesto the dropout eyeletsor seat stays. This one showed up by surprise. but now we re going to design a bag around it. Nashbarand Topeak and proba. bly others already make bags that unintentionally fit it. It adjusts and attachesthe same as the fabled R.14, and we show ir h€re attached to the sea! stays.It could llo lower on the stays,or to the dropout eyelets; it ll come with long enough rods ro do ftat with. The rack loops you see are guides for straps.The lower loop on this model, well...it d be easy enough to find a use for it. No name for this one. Let's call it Fünny Boy for now. 1." 'l; To commemorate its 80th Anniversary, Nitto made a new boßtlecag€ almost identical to the current one (which is not being discontinued).This one's fatter, 4mm tubular stainless.and at 4Eg,weighs 5g (about l/6 oz) less than rhe other. Here are both. You can tell which is which, but it s not ultra.obvious. Expensiv€. H€re s a protory?e of Shimano s new cantilever brake, which rhey slot in at just below Uhegra level. lt has a linear spdng, different from older models. The finish is fine, and it seemsto work fin€, although nobody here has rried it yet, since we just got it. P ce, about 550? Availabiliry?we d guesssometime in üe early spring.