saidumlo scenari ras emsaxureba quCis aqciebi hgonia, rom mefea!~
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saidumlo scenari ras emsaxureba quCis aqciebi hgonia, rom mefea!~
gamodis oTxSabaTobiT `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ giorgi leoniZe #44 (308) w w w. q a r t u l i s i t y v a . g e gazeTi `qarTuli sityva~ internetSi usufaSvilis saxifaTo gancxadeba _ ra xdeba `ocnebaSi~ fasi 1 lari 11 _ 17 noemberi 2015 w. literatura, xelovneba, politika me-10-11 gv. erosis qvrivi `rusTavi 2~-isTvis brZolas iwyebs?! levan alafiSvili: `ori politikuri Zalis qiSpoba yvelaze metad xalxs daazianebs~ rogor igegmeboda `nacebis~ cixeebSi politikuri mkvlelobebi `sakanSi rom davbrundi, vxedav, zaza azariaSvils araadeqvaturi saxe aqvs... oganezovic nerviulobs. zazam moaswro, eTqva, cud raRacas gi pirebeno da kameridan cema-tyep iT gaiyvanes _ rogorc Cans, Cveni saubari moismines. arada, vxedav, rom fexebidan sisxli sdis. rogorc aRmoCnda, roca saknidan gamiyvanes, oganezovi da lazariaSvilic gau yvaniaT. rogorc mere zazam miTxra, aiyvanes muxaZis kabinetSi, sadac sami ucnobi adamiani daxvdaT. muxa Zem aiRo `Stiri~, misca azariaSvi ls da uTxra, maisaia unda moklao~. ris gamo moxda erosi kiwmariSvilis, daviT dvalisa da jarji aqimiZis ganxeTqileba me-8 gv. `Zalian bevrs CemTvisac uTqvams, yvelaferi es imitom moxda, rom `ru s T avi 2~-is sakiTxi gadasawyvetiao. maTi argumentebis uaryofas ver SevZleb, iqidan gamomdinare, rom xelT ar maqvs sabuTi, rac realurad moxda. amasTan dakavSirebiT yovelTvis mqonda gaRizianebuli pozic ia, radgan ar mindoda am ori movlenis erTmaneTTan dakavSireba, Tund ac sentimentis gamo. rom warmovidgen, erosi imas gadahyva, rac yvelaze metad uyvarda, amis gacnobiereba CemTvis Zalian mZimea. Jurnalistebi sagan gansxvavebiT, SesaZlo scenarebsa da mkvlelobis versiebze ara sodes vlaparakob da gamoZiebas mivyvebi~. saidumlo scenari `xelisuflebas hgonia, rom mefea!~ me-2-3-4 gv. skandaluri foto, romelsac prokuratura strasburgis sasamarTlos umalavs me-12 gv. `me rom somexi, an ebraeli viyo, saxelmwifo sakvlev instituts gamixsnida!~ qarTveli mecnieris sensaciuri aRmoCenebis gacnobaze mecnierebaTa akademiis prezidentma uari Tqva me-16 gv. `sakonstitucio sasamarTlom Tanasworobis aqtis, anu praqtikulad, damaxinjebuli lustraciis kanon is zogierTi muxli gaauqma, maT Soris, isic, rome lic ssrk-s suk-is TanamSromlebs da yofil partiul funqcionerebs sajaro samsaxurSi Tanamdebobebis dakavebas ukrZalavs. mniSvnelovania, rom es gadawy vetileba, saakaSvilTan erTad, `nacmoZraobis~ mier kontrolirebadma sakonstitucio sasam ar Tlom mi iRo... Cemi ki ara, sayovelTaod cnobili mosazrebaa da aravisTvisaa dasamali, rom sakonstit ucio sa samarTlo zogjer iseT gadawyvetilebas iRebs, ro melic wyals `nacmoZraobis~ wisqvilze as xa ms. Tu ase araa, gamovides `nacmoZraoba~ da Tqvas, zemoxs e nebuli gadawyvetileba, romelic sakonstitucio sasamarTlom miiRo, arasworiao~. ras emsaxureba quCis aqciebi 2 # 44 11-17 noemberi 2015 s q kbnthfnehf, (308) literatura, xelovneba, politika yovelkvireuli gazeTi, gamodis oTxSabaTobiT arT uli it yva `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ giorgi leoniZe skandaluri eqskluzivi saidumlo scenari gagrZeleba me-3 gv. `Se mamacxonebulo, Tu aseT gan cxadebebs akeTeb, barem, aSS-sTan dadebuli qartiac gaauqme da pir dapir uTxari, SenTan TanamSroml oba aRar mindao. yvelaferi es sa zogadoebis nawilzea gaTvlili da ar SeiZleba, mTavrobis wevrebi aseT upasuxismgeblo gancxadebebs akeTebdnen! ise, ian kelis gancxad eba mouzomeli sulac ar yofila. daakvirdiT, calkeuli televizi ebis eTerSi ra xdeba _ strategi ul partniorebs, di plomatiur ko rpuss agineben da amitomac vambob, rom es daaxloebiT azerbaijanu li scenaria~. as b e l ~ f ! a u e s i f e l m e m `x o r , a i n hgo ras emsaxureba quCis aqciebi mocemuloba aseTia: saqarTvelos dedaqalaqi sxvadasxva msoflmxedvelobis saprotesto aqciebSia gaxveuli _ laparakia `patriotTa aliansis~ mier dawyebul quCis protestsa da `rusTavis 2~-is ezoSi Sekrebil samauwyeblo kompaniis damcvel sazogadoebaze. aqcia, erTi SexedviT, demokratiis Tanmdevia, Tumca uSiSroebis Tadarigis polkovniki, usafrTxoebis eqsperti konstantine forCxiZe `qarTul ocnebas~ urCevs, gamofxizldes da procesebi xelidan ar gauSvas. am konteqstSi saubrisas, `qarTuli sityvis~ tradiciuli respondenti sakonstitucio sasamarTlos im gadawyvetilebasac exeba, romlis Tanaxmadac, e.w. Tanasworobis aqtis ramdenime muxli, maT Soris is, romliTac yofili `ka-ge-be~-s yofil TanamSromlebsa da yofili kompartiis yofil funqcionerebs sajaro samsaxurebSi maRali Tanamdebobebis dakaveba ekrZalebodaT, arakonstituciurad gamocxadda. `yvelafer amiT politikuri veli viRacisTvis Tavisufldeba da es viRac aucileblad ruseTTan iqneba asocirebuli~, _ acxadebs qarTveli specsamsaxureli, romelic eqskluziuri interviuebis ciklSi azerbaijanis Temas kidev erTxel exeba. _ batono kote, `rusTavi 2~-is `qeis is~ garda, Cvens politikaSi ra tenden ciebi Sein iS ne ba? _ ra da, bevri mniSvnelovani saerT a Soris o mniSvne lobi s movlena moxda, maT Soris, saqarTvelo s mezobeli qvey nebis _ azerb aij ani sa da somxeTis prez identebi ewviv ne n. es orive viziti niS andobliv ia da im konteqstS i ewereba, ra viTarebac dRes saqa rT veloSi iqmne ba. sxvaTa Soris, yvela feri es azerb a i janSi ramdeni m e Tvis win ganv iTar e bul movlene bs Zalian hgavs. _ ras gulis xmobT? _ azerba ij anuli sagare o orie nti rebi s Secvlas. diax, oficia lu ri baqo, praqtik ulad, rusul seqt orz ea gada rTuli. am Temaze wina interviuebSic vilaparakeT da isic aRvniSn eT, Tu ro gor Cavidne n baqoSi erTmaneTis miyol ebiT rusi diplomat ebi Tu maRali Tan amdebob i s pirebi da rogor dausv a yve lafer amas evrosa bW os dadgenilebam wertili, romelmac azerb aijanTan mim arTeba Si suraTi kardinal ur ad Secva la, rac avtomatura d sura Tis Secvl as kavkasii sTvisa c niSn avs. _ ratom? _ imit om, rom azerb aijan i kavkasi a Si, ekonomi kis kuTxiT, praqt ikulad, lideria. _ batono konst antine, Tqveni info rmaciiT, ilham alievis Tbilisuri viz iti ras ukavSirdeboda? _ am vizitiT ramdenime mniSvnelova ni `mesiji~ gakeTda. _ kerZod? _ pirvel rigSi, am vizitiT xazi gae sva, rom saqarTvelos konstitucias az erbaijanSi ufro kargad icnoben, vid re _ saqarTveloSi. _ es ra SuaSia? _ Cven mudmivad vdavobT, Tu vin aris sagareo asparezze saxelmwifos meTau ri. alievis vizitiT ki gasagebi gaxda, Tu visze keTdeba aqcenti. _ ras gulisxmobT? _ getyv iT. SeiZleba, vinmem Tqvas, rom alievi prezidentia da, bunebriv ia, vizitis didi nawili swored margv elaSvilTan gaatarao... _ prezidenti alievi Cvens premiers ac Sexvda... _ diax, magram stumars, ase vTqvaT, maspinZlobas prezidenti da preziden tis aparatis wevr ebi uwevdnen. sxvaTa Soris, marneulSi, azerbaij anu l diasp orasac alievi da margv ela Svili erTad Sexvdnen da es qvecnobier ad mowodeba iyo, rom azerbaijanulma diasp oram Tavisi istoriuli samSobl os megobar figurad saqarTveloSi ma rgvelaSvili unda aRiqva s. metic, maqvs informacia, rom marg ve laSvils Tavisi politikuri koalici is Seqmnis survili aqvs, riTic, erTi s mxriv, `nacmoZraobis~ prodasavlur frTas gadaarCens... _ meores mxriv am koaliciis Seqmnis mizani ra iqneba? _ modiT, am meore mxareze sxva dros visaubroT. axla ki, mniSvn elovani isaa, rom azerbaijanuli diaspo ris TvalSi, margvelaSvilis, rogo rc momavali po litikuri lideris gamokveTa moxd a. ise, margvelaSvilis prodasavluri imiji garegnulad Cans, magr am modiT, misi kavSirebic gavixsenoT, maga liTad, levan vasa ZesTan. _ ki batono, magr am Cven xom viciT, rom politikaSi mudmiv i arc megobari arse bobs da arc _ mteri?! _ ki batono, magram samagie rod, ars ebobs gavlenebi da aqeda n gamomdinare, misi interesis gaTv aliswi neba, visac ama Tu im politikur figu raze meti ze gavlena aqvs. am SemTxve vaSi, rusuli ga vlenebi Zalian Zlieria da araerTxe l miTqvams, rom prezide ntis kancelaria pirdapiri Tu arapirda piri rusuli gavlenebiT kontroldeba! aseve, araerTxel miTqva ms, rom Tav dacvis saministroSi, kerZod, genStab Si, romelic prezidentis ierarqiis Stos warmoadgens, iseTi sakadro dani Svnebi ganxorcielda, romelic mTlian ad rusul veqtorzea gada rTu li. yve laferi es ki, piramidi s saerTo suraTs qmnis. _ es piramida rogo ria? _ am piramidis qveda rgolebi rus ul segmentsaa morge buli, zeda rgole bSi ki, TamaSi midis da am TamaSs saxe lm wifos pirveli pirebi ewevia n, anu isin i dasa vlur imijs iqmnian, Tumca sinamdv ileSi, amis ukan is dgas, rac bevr Seki Txvas aCens. _ mainc, ra SekiTx ve bi Cndeba? _ magaliTad, ratom Cndebian saxe lm wif o samsaxurebSi rusuli begr aundis mqone `tipe bi~? ratom ikaveben sabWoTa oficrebi Zalovan uwyebebebSi gavl en ian Tanamdebobebs? sxvaTa Soris, ilham aliev is viziti qarTulma da azer baijanulma mediam sx vadasxva aqcenteb iT gaaSu qa. marTalia, orive qveynis Jurna liste bi saqar Tve lo-azerbai janis strategiul partni orob asa da imaze laparak obdnen, rom azerba ijani dan meti inves ticia unda Semovides, magram baqo elma Jurnalist ebma meti yuradReba aliev isa da Sevar dnaZis ojaxeb is urTier Tobas dauT mes. _ amaSi cudi ra aris? _ araferi, magram es erTgv ari poli tikuri `mesij ia~. _ anu? _ aseTi donis politikuri figu re bi aseT Sexve drebs SemTxv eviT ar marT aven. _ kote batono, simarTle giTxr aT, ver vxvdebi, ris Tqmas cdilobT? _ ar gamovr icxav, rom momava lSi, qa rTul politikaSi Seva rdn aZeebis oja xid an vinme Semovi des. ise, amaSi cudi araferi iqneba... yuradR ebas kidev erT aqcentze gav amaxvil eb, romelic saqarTv elos sazo gado ebisTvi s cnobili araa, anu ra xde ba alie vis ojaxi s iqiT, ruseTTa n mima rTebaSi. _ ra xdeba? _ ramdenime dRis win, ilham alie vis qaliSvil i, romelic heida r alievi s fondi s, praqtikulad, vice-preziden ti da ruseTSi rusul-azerbaijanuli kulturuli urTi erTobebis faqtiuri media toria, putin ma specialuri medl iT daajildova. Cveulebriv i movl ena arc esaa. _ aba, rogori movlenaa? _ esec mini Sn ebaa, rom putins azer ba ijan is pirvel pirTan megob ruli urTi erT oba aqvs da ruseT-azerba ijani st rateg iuli partnioreb i arian. am SemT xvevaSi, azer baijanTan Cveni strateg i uli partn ior oba nel-nela am, anu pro rusul relsebze gadadis. _ amas mxolod imitom askvniT, rom putinma alievis qaliSvi li daaji ldo va? _ diax... naTqva mia, maCvene Seni mego b ari da getyvi, Sen vin xaro. _ am logi kiT, aSS-c Cveni mego baria, Tumca bolo dros, Cvenma ministrebma TeTr i saxl is misamarTi T, rbilad rom vTqvaT, xisti gancxa debebi gaakeTes da lamis pasuxi mosTx ove s... _ strategiu li partniorebis mima rT aseTi gancxa debebis gakeTeba ar Sei Zleba. jobia, Cvenma minis trebma jer diplomatia iswavlon da gancxa debebi mere gaakeTon! Tu aSS-is elCi s gamonaT qva mSi rame ar moewonaT, saamisod dip lomatiuri arxe bi arsebobs... _ cxadi a, magr am obiva tels SeiZ le ba, gauCndes SekiTx va: aSS-s vin ekiTxe ba, Cvens Sinaur saqmeebSi rom ereva o? _ esec mizanmimarTulad keTd eba... Se mamacxonebulo, Tu aseT gancxa debe bs akeTeb, barem, aSS-sTan dadebuli qa rtiac gaauqme da pirda pir uTxa ri, Sen Tan TanamSromloba aRar minda o. yvela feri es sazo gadoebis nawilzea gaTvl ili da ar SeiZleba, mTavr obis wevrebi aseT upasuxis mge blo gancxa debebs ake Tebdnen! ise, ian kelis gancxa de ba mouz omeli sulac ar yofila. daakvir diT, calkeuli televi zie bis eTerS i ra xde ba. _ ra xdeba? _ ra da, _ strategi ul partniorebs, diplomatiur korpuss agineben da ami tomac vambob, rom es daaxl oebiT azer baijanuli scenaria. vano, meubnebod iT, azerbaija nze Cacikluli xarTo, magram axla xom xvdebiT, rom Cacik lu li ar viyavi? saerTo d, is, rac mezo bel qveyanaSi xdeba, gavl enas Sens Sida po s 11-17 noemberi 2015 3 q kbnthfnehf, yovelkvireuli gazeTi, gamodis oTxSabaTobiT `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ arT # 44 (308) uli it yva giorgi leoniZe literatura, xelovneba, politika skandaluri eqskluzivi me-2 gverdidan litik azec axdens, miT umetes, azerbai jani Cveni Zlieri ekon om ikur i part ni oria. _ bolo dReebSi aseTi mocemulo ba miviReT: sazoga d oebi s nawil i `rusTa vi 2~-is ezoSi telekom pani is dasac avad ikribe ba, meore nawili ki, mxedveloba Si maqvs `patriotTa aliansi s~ mxarda m Werebi, quCaSi gamovidn en da sagarejos Suale duri arCevnebi s Sede gebs apro t este ben. gasa Tv ali sw in ebelia, rom saa rCevno weli dawyo. baton o kote, zemo xsenebul i aqcie bi am konteqstSi unda ganvixil oT da, saerT od, sagare jo gas aprotesteblad Rirs? _ me Tu mkiTxavT, saga rejo Si gama r jveba `respu bl ike l eb is~ axireb a iyo, Tumca vinaid an `respubliku ri partia~ koalic iis wevr ia, amitom, misi nebismie ri qmedeba `ocnebis~ qmede bad aRiqmeba! saga rej os moge biT, `respublike lebma~ xazi gausves, rom samp rocentianeb i ki ara, Zlierebi arian! inaSvi li s gunds a da `respubliku r partias~ Soris ideo logiu ri gans xvave b a arsebobs _ `respu blik ele bi~ libertar ian el eb i arian, `patrio tTa alian sis~ dawerili ideo logia da programa ki jer ar mina xavs. yovel SemTxvevaSi, es gundi aqcen ts mem arjvene obaze, an memar cxen eo ba ze ki ara, proqarTul obaz e akeTeb s. mokl ed, am or parti as Soris, asea Tu ise, ideo logiu ri sxvaob a arseb obs da `respu b likur i partia~ imis demo nstr ireb as Seecad a, rom sagarejo s mosaxl eoba mx ars ufro mis ideologi as uWers, Tumca sxva `kampot i~ mivi Re T, anu `respublik elebma~ sagarejos arCe vnebi, realur ad, ver moige s. amito m, administr aciu li resursi, maT Soris, SeiaraReb uli Zalebi uxeSad gamoiyen es, riTic Tavi s dauneburad, SeiaraRe buli Zalebis ko mprom etaci a moax di nes da amiT saxe lmw ifos usafrTxoeb as pirdapiri ziani miayenes. amasTan, cesko Zalian cud md gomareoba Si Caayen es da momavali arCev nebisTvis cesko-s ndobis xarisxi, praq tiku lad, aRar arsebobs. _ cesk o-s sazog ado eba mainc da main c arc aqamde endobo da... _ ki baton o, magram Tuki yvelaf er amas ideologi uri Tvalsa zri siT Sevx edavT, irma inaSvili namdv ilad parla mentSi jobda... saerTod, demok rat iul relsebz e vera da ver davdeqiT. _ Tu amas aqciis kont eqs t Si ambo bT, SegaxsenebT: azri sa da sityvis Tunda c quCis aqciiT gamox atv a, diax, demokra tiis nawilia! _ diax, magr am Cveni cnobiereba aseT ia: vinc quCas flobs, ese igi, mas yvela ze maRali reit ingi aqvs da xalxi poli tikur subieqtebs ideolog iisa Tu pr ogramis mixedviT ki ara, imiT arCevs, visac quCaSi didi mxarda Wera eqneba. Cveni politik os ebic ase fiqr oben _ mx ars quCa miWers? ese igi, magari varo. mokled, `resp ublikelebm a~ sagare jos Sualeduri arCevnebi s mogebiT qu Cis politik ur i veli mTlianad `patri otTa alians s~ dauTmes da amas veRa ra feri gaaCerebs. _ quCis aqciebs cudi Tvali T rato m uyur ebT? _ imit om, rom polit ik uri procese bi quCaSi ki ara, civilura d, parl amen tSi, diskusii T unda wydebode s! ise aravin gamig os, rom `qarT uli ocnebis~ gulSematkivar i ar var. ase rom iyos, amdens ar vilaparak ebdi. bo los da bolos, `qarT ul ma ocne bam~ cu di reJimi mospo, ufro swora d, calke uli pirov nebebi gauSves, Tore m reJimi ar Secvlil a, anu saxelm wi fo apara ti demo kratiu l relsebz e ar gada wy obi la. adrec miTqvams da axlac gavi meor eb: mniSvneloba ar aqvs, qveyanaS i erTi kaci s avtor ita rizmi iqneba Tu koleq tiur i. sxvaTa Soris, qarTul politik aSi termi ni `koleqtiuri avtoritari zmi~ Cemi Semo tanil ia da sagarejos `me Tu mkiTxavT, sagarejoSi gamarjveba `respubli kelebis~ axireba iyo, Tumca vinaidan `respublikuri partia~ koaliciis wevria, amitom, misi nebismieri qme deba `ocnebis~ qmedebad aRiqmeba! sagarejos mogebiT, `respublikelebma~ xazi gausves, rom samprocentiane bi ki ara, Zlierebi arian! inaSvilis gundsa da `respu blikur partias~ Soris ideologiuri gansxvaveba ars ebobs _ `respublikelebi~ libertarianelebi arian, `patriotTa aliansis~ dawerili ideologia da progr ama ki jer ar minaxavs. yovel SemTxvevaSi, es gundi aq cents memarjveneobaze, an memarcxeneobaze ki ara, pr oqarTulobaze akeTebs. mokled, am or partias Soris, asea Tu ise, ideologiuri sxvaoba arsebobs da `respu blikuri partia~ imis demonstrirebas Seecada, rom sa garejos mosaxleoba mxars ufro mis ideologias uWe rs, Tumca sxva `kampoti~ miviReT, anu `respublikeleb ma~ sagarejos arCevnebi, realurad, ver moiges. amitom, administraciuli resursi, maT Soris, SeiaraRebuli Zalebi uxeSad gamoiyenes, riTic Tavisdauneburad, Se iaraRebuli Zalebis komprometacia moaxdines da amiT saxelmwifos usafrTxoebas pirdapiri ziani miayenes~. arCevnebSi swored am `koleqtiuri av toritarizmis~ niSnebi gamoCnda... _ weRa n, kerZo saubrisas, aRniSn eT, saqarTvelos sxvadasxva qalaqSi samxed roe bi dasx debiano. am frazaSi ra igu lisxmeT, batono konstantine? _ vano, adrec giTxariT, rom samxed roe bis politikur subieqtebad TviT org anizeba moxda da amaSi cudi arafe ria. _ ki batono, magram `qalaqebSi samxe dro ebi dasxdebian~ mainc, ras niSnavs? _ imas niSnavs, rom gaubedurebuli da gamwarebuli veteranebi SimSilobas daiwyeben! am xalxs dasakargi aRarafe ri aqvs! _ ra gansxvavebaa, SimSilobis aqci as, vTqvaT, pedagogebi daiwye ben Tu sam xedroebi? _ samxedroebi cota sxva katego riis adamianebi arian. xom gaxso vT, miSa vet eranTa protest s rogorc aRiqvamda. _ diax, maxso vs: `nacebma~ gmirTa moe dan ze veteranebi daarbies... _ roca samxedroebi politikur Tvi Torganizebas axdenen, es imas niSnavs, rom qveyanaSi saqme kargad araa! _ ratom? _ samxedroebis quCaSi gamosv la qve ynisTvis Zalian saSiSia, radgan es sxva rameze mianiSnebs. _ raze? _ raze da, _ saxelmwifos Zalova ni struqturebis yofili TanamSromlebi sa da, saerTod, qveynis winaSe valmoxd ili adamianebis damokidebulebaze. es damokidebuleba Zalian cudia, rac ima ze metyvelebs, rom ar SeiZleba, am qvey ana Si samarTlianoba arsebobdes! iciT, samxedro samarTlianobas ro gor aRiqvams? _ qveyn isTvis vibrZole da xelisu flebamac saTanadod damafa sos o. _ dafase ba yvelas sWirdeba, Tumca am kuTxiT, damnaSave mxolod `ocneba~ araa! _ vinaidan dRes xelisuflebaSi `oc nebaa~, pasu xi swored mas unda movT xov oT! vidre Rirse uli adamianebis mima rT es midgoma ar Seic vl eba, aseT situ aciaSi viqnebiT! romel qveyanaSi, sad ginaxavT, rom yofili samxedr oebi pol itikur partias qmnian? ise, winaaRmde gi ar var, rom samxedr oebma polit iku ri partia Seqm nan. _ romel partias gulisxm obT? _ `saqarTvelos mSvidobisTvi s~, ro melic daTo TevzaZem Seqmna. roca samxe droebSi mSvidobisTv is mowodeba Cnde ba, ese igi, qveya naSi saqme cudadaa. _ Tqvenc yofili Zalovani xarT, bat ono kote, am partiaSi ratom ar erTia ndebiT? _ ufalma yvela adamia ns arCe vanis ufleba misca. _ gawevrianeba SemogTava ze s? _ ara da mec ar maqvs survili, rom am etapze politikaSi wavi de. me Cemi gza maqvs arCeuli... _ kerZo saubrisas paata zaqareiSvi lic axseneT... _ diax. qveynis fede raliza ciaze la paraki gaaqtiurda da amis avangardSi isev paata zaqareiSvil i dgas... _ wlebia, zaqareiS vili am ideas lo birebs... _ mxolod zaqareiSvi li ki ar lobi rebs, aramed, am Temaze bode nis idea da Stainmaieris gegmac arsebobda, magram aqedan, sabolood, araferi gamovi da, anu afxazebma am Temas ignorir eba gauk eTes, Tumca Tavdapirve lad asim etri ul federaciaze Tanaxmani iyvne n. _ `asimetriuli federacia~ ras niS navs? _ uxeSad rom vTqvaT, met uflebebs, anu mTavrobasa Tu parlamentSi mudmi vi adgilebi unda hqonoda T. es vrceli `sakonstitucio sasamarTlom Tanasworobis aqtis, anu praqtikulad, damaxinjebuli lustraciis kanonis zogierTi muxli gaauqma, maT Soris, isic, romelic ssrk-s suk-is TanamSromlebs da yofil partiul funq cionerebs sajaro samsaxurSi Tanamdebobebis dakaveb as ukrZalavs. mniSvnelovania, rom es gadawyvetileba, saakaSvilTan erTad, `nacmoZraobis~ mier kontrolir ebadma sakonstitucio sasamarTlom miiRo... Cemi ki ara, sayovelTaod cnobili mosazrebaa da aravisTvis aa dasamali, rom sakonstitucio sasamarTlo zogjer iseT gadawyvetilebas iRebs, romelic wyals `nacmoZr aobis~ wisqvilze asxams. Tu ase araa, gamovides `nacm oZraoba~ da Tqvas, zemoxsenebuli gadawyvetileba, romelic sakonstitucio sasamarTlom miiRo, araswor iao~. gegm a iyo, romlis ganxo rcielebasac sa Tave Si irakli alasania edga. maxsovs, am gegm is, ase vTqvaT, fargl ebSi, Tbil isSi, serge i Sambac Camoiyva nes, romel ic mixe il saakaSvi ls unda Sexve droda, magram rogo rc vici, yvelafer amis win aaRmde gi irakli oqruaSvili wavi da da saakaSvil s ultimatumi wauyena: an es biWi (alasania), an meo... maSin am gegm is armiReba, praqt ik ulad, rusuli in teresi iyo. _ ratom? _ imitom, rom kremls saqarTv elos okupacia, anu 2008 wlis agvistos omi ukve dagegm ili hqonda. karga d unda ga vig oT: ruseTs saqarTve los teri tor iebis nawi li ki ara, mTeli saqarTv elo sWirdeba! aki, putinsac aqvs naTqva mi, rom 2015 wlis dekembramde, evraziuli kavSir i sabWoTa kavSiris Semadge nlob iT unda Seik ribos da, praqtikulad, as ecaa. mxolod saqarTv elo hyavs yelSi gaCx erili, Tumca Cveni terit oriebis nawili, samaCa blosa da afxazeTis sax iT, evraziul kavS irSia. aqedan gamomd inare, ruseTis Tv is aseTi gamosavali arsebobs: saqarTv elos xelisuflebaSi an arCe vnebis gziT movide s, an qveyanaSi destabil iz aciis momentebi Seqmnas. de stabiliza cia maincda mainc srolas ar niSnavs. quCis aqcie bis dafin ansebac de stabiliza cii s erTgv ari saxea, riTic qveyana normaluri ganviTa rebis ritmi dan amovardeba. _ quCis aqcie bis Tv is finansebi ra sa Wiroa? _ sxva Tu araferi, aqciis monawi le ebs Tbili tansacmeli da saWmeli sWir debaT. _ quCis aqciebi dasavleTis mier ar aa aprobir ebuli? _ saqarTve losTan mimarTebaSi? _ Tundac... _ `vardebis revo luciis~ dros, sxva piar-triukebi gamoiyenes. yvelafer am aSi ki, didi roli `rusTavi 2~-ma iTama Sa _ `anakonda~, anu manqanebis jaWvi ga xsovT? _ erTx anobas, parlamentis win, Zalia n cota xalxiRa iyo. liderebi re gio nebSi wavid nen... manqa nebis kolona Zalia n didi ar iyo, magr am nataxt arTan moZraoba gada ketes, raSic policiis xelSewyobac igrZnoboda. manqanebi da grovd a. am kolonis TavS i, is avtobusi moeqca, romelSic saakaSv ili ijda. yve lafer amas `rusTavi 2~ pirdapir eTer Si gada scemda da am elementarulm a pi ar-triukma mosaxleobaze maqs imaluri gavl ena moaxdi na _ mTeli saqarTvelo parlamentisken daiZra. _ maSasadame, dResac is iqneba xelis uflebaSi, visac `rusTa vi 2~ darCe ba? _ amas ar vambob, magram medias Zali an didi mniSvneloba aqvs. dasavl uri demokratii s mamebi mediis Tavi sufleb aze aqcents tyuilad ar akeTe ben. medi is Tavi sufleba, praqt ik ulad, qveynis Tavi suflebas niSnavs, Torem magaliT ad, azerbaija nSi media mxolod xelis uflebis interesebs atarebs... _ mediasTan dakavSir ebiT, Tqvens postulats, batono kote, vizi areb, ma gram isec xom araa, rom dasavleTisken mimavali gza main cdamainc `rusTavi 2~ze gadis? _ ara, ase araa. esec saakaSvil is man kieri mxare iyo, rom dasavl uri mimarT ulebis medi ad mxolod erT medi asaSua lebas warmoaCe nda. ise, zogi erTs SeiZ leba, awyobs, rom politikaSi aseTi situacia Seitanos, raTa ufro kargad marTo s. _ rogo ri situacia? _ media marTvadi rom gaxdes da misi dakve Ta Seasrulos. _ ese igi, marTva di medi a `ocnebas ac~ awyobs? _ ra Tqma unda. yvela xelisuflebas, sava rZelSi rom dajdeba, hgonia, rom mefea, magram ase araa. xalxs anga riS i unda gauwi o, radga n skamiT aravin iba deba! gagrZeleba me-4 gv. 4 # 44 11-17 noemberi 2015 s q kbnthfnehf, (308) literatura, xelovneba, politika yovelkvireuli gazeTi, gamodis oTxSabaTobiT arT uli it yva `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ giorgi leoniZe skandaluri eqskluzivi stopkadri baTumis meeqvse saba vSvo baRis ZiZa aRsazrd elisTvis Seuracxyofi s miye ne bis gamo samsax ur idan gaaTavisuf les. baRis aRmzrde lm a, naTia cincaZem `int erpresniuss~ vide o aCvena, sadac ZiZa Seur acxmyofeli sity vebiT mima rTavs aRsazrd els. vide oze Seuracxmyof el i frazebi ismis im dros, roca ZiZas moza rdi gogon a abaz ana Si Sehyav s da abana v ebs, Semdeg ki sruliad SiSv el mdgoma reoba Si sxva bavSvebTan jgufSi gamoh y avs. naTia cinc aZ e amtkicebs, rom ZiZam mozar ds ramdenjerme `Semo ulawuna~ kidec. `Tmas ar Segato veb Tavze, sazizRa ro... gagixmaT tvinebi. didi xania nerve bi ar amSlia... moeTrie ager, ar dasr ia lde da ar gada mrio... deda rogor weiq ca, es sasik vdi le.... sikvdili da gadaSe neba Seni patro nis. binZ uro Sen, xma ar gavigono Seni~, _ aRniSnul i frazebi naTia cincaZ is mier gadaRe bul videoze ismis. rogor c baTumis baRebi s gaerTiane bis direqtorm a, natalia zaqar eiSv il ma `interpresniu ss~ ganucxada, aRmzrd elis Tana Semwe mozards mima rTavs `mov al da dagawi wkni Tmebs~ da aseve, gamoy enebulia sxva Seura cxmyo feli termine bi, ris gamoc is samsax uri dan gaTavisu flda. `baRSi moxda inciden ti: aRmz rd el is TanaS emwem sityvieri Seuracxyofa miayena bavSvs. saaRmz rdelo procesi s dasrule bis Semde g saba vSvo baRis gam kaxa koJoriZe: `prezidenti sadme sxvagan gadasvlas ar apirebs!~ me-3 gverdidan _ geTa nxme biT... kidev erTi sakiT xi, romelzec saub ari dRes ginda T, sakon stitu cio sasa ma rT los mier e.w. Tanas worobis aqtis erT-erTi muxlis gauq m ebaa. kerZod, romel muxlzea laparaki? _ sxvaTa Soris, amaz e sainform acio saSualebebma aqcenti ar gaakeTes, ram ac gama ogn a. arada, es yvelaze mniSvnel ovani Temaa _ aseTi ra moxda? _ sakons titucio sasa mar Tlom Tana swor ob i s aqtis, anu praqti kul ad, dam axin jebul i lust ra ci is kano nis zogi erTi muxli gaauqma, maT Soris, isic, romelic ssrk-s suk-is Tana mSro mlebs da yofil partiul funq cio ne rebs saj aro sams ax urSi Tanam debo bebis dakave bas ukrZalavs. mniSvnelovania, rom es gadawyvetil eba, saakaSvilTan erTad, `nacmo Zraobi s~ mier kontr olireba dma sakon stitucio sasamarT lom miiRo. _ es Tqveni mosazre baa, bato n o ko te, rom sakons tituci o sasa marTlos `nacmo Zraoba~ akontrol ebs... _ Cemi ki ara, sayovelT aod cnobi li mosazrebaa da aravis Tvisa a dasamali, rom sakonst ituci o sasam arT lo zogj er iseT gadawyv etilebas iRebs, romel ic wyals `nacmo Zra obi s~ wisq vilz e asx ams. Tu ase araa, gamov ide s `nacmoZr ao ba~ da Tqvas, zemox senebul i gada wy vet ileba, romelic sakonsti tu cio sasama rTlom miiRo, araswo ri ao. _ am gadawyv etil eba m Tqveni yura d Reba ratom miiq cia? _ imitom, rom amiT ssrk-s suk-is maR alCinos nebs da yofil i partiuli nome nklatur is warmomad genl ebs xel-fexi gaexsnaT, rom sajaro samsax urebS i maR ali Tana md ebobebi daikav on! amito m, ar gamov ric xav, rom erT mSvenier dRes, moskovid an suk-is yofili maRalC inos ani mogvevlino s da saqarT velos mTav robaSi, an parlamentSi saqmianoba dai wyos. _ fiqrobT, rom es gadawyvetileba konkretuli pirovnebisT vis iqna miRe buli? _ diax. _ es `viRa c~ vinaa? _ ar vici... ubralod, am faqtiT Sew uxebuli var, radgan es pirdapir qveyn is usafrTxoebisa da lust raci is Tem aa. ise, miuxedavad imisa, rom Tanaswor obis aqti arsebobda, saakaSvilis dro sac Tanamdebobebi arqivul agentebs ek avaT, riTic kanonTan winaaRmdegobaSi modiodnen da wina interviuebSi amis Taobazec gvisaubria. mokled, Zalian cudi procesi midis da amis ganmuxtva mxolod xelisufleb as SeuZlia. im SemTxvevaSi, Tu `ocneba~ quCis procese bs Tavis nebaze miuSvebs, reitings kidev ufro dakargavs. _ xelisuflebam situacia rogo r unda ganmuxtos? _ rogor da, magaliTad, `patriot Ta aliansis~ moTxovna daakmayofilos da orive _ Tavdacvi sa da garemos dacv is minist rebi gadaayenos. es kargi Tav ad `ocnebisTvis~ iqneba. im SemTxve vaSi, Tuki quCis procese bi momZlavr da, SeiZ leba, is pirovnebac Riad gamoCndes, vi sTvisac politikuri veli iwmindeba... am quCis procese bze ki, reaqci a dasavl eTsac eqneba da xelisufleba maSin mai nc gaxdeba iZulebuli, rom adeqvaturi nabi jebi gadadgas. _ maSasadame, kargi s imedi ar unda gvqondes? _ yovel SemTxveva Si, Tuki `qarTul ma ocnebam~ ar gaiRvi Za da procesebis marTva ar daiwyo, kargs arafers velo debi! esaubra vano pavliaSvili (Temis gagrZeleba iqneba) `aTonelis rezidenciis bedi prezi dentis administracia s ar exeba~, _ ase upasuxa iuridiul sakiTx ebSi saqarTv elos prezidentis mrCevelma kaxa koJo riZem aTonelis rezi dencia sTa n dakav SirebiT Jurnalistebis mier dasmul SekiTxvas. kaxa koJoriZis ganmartebiT, am kiTx vis adresati ar aris arc prezide nti da arc _ misi administracia, aramed, ki Txva exeba mTavrobas, saqarTv elos pre zidenti poziciis Secvlas ar apir ebs. `daaxloebiT, weliwadnaxevr is win, oficialuri werilobiTi pasuxi gave c iT, rom prezidenti sadme sxvaga n gada svlas ar apirebs da es pozi cia ar Secv lila. am kiTxvi s adresatebi arian mTa vrobis wevrebi, romlebmac unda gadaw yviton aTonelis bedi. aTonelis rezi denciis Tu Senobis bedi ar exeba prezi dentis administracias. prezide nti sabavSvo baRis ZiZam aRsazrdels Seuracxyofa miayena ge, ufrosi aRmz rdeli, aRmz rdelis TanaSe mwe da musikis maswavl ebel i dab areb uli iyvnen sabavSvo baRSi. moxsene biTi baraTiT ganma rtes arsebul i sit uacia. xazgasmiT minda aRvniSn o, ZiZam ganacxada, rom im dRes iyo Zalian gaRi zian ebuli, man aRiara Tavisi danaSa u li, magram, ra Tqma unda, es ase ver dar Ceboda, ZiZa daisaja da gaTavisufleb u lia samsa xuridan. video gadaRebu lia amav e baRis aRmz rdel is, naTia cincaZis mier, samsaxuridan gaSvebul ia aRmzrd elis TanaSem we qeTevan tere laZ e, rome lic didi xnis ganmavlobaS i muSa ob da am baRSi da mas mSoblebi dadebiTad axa siaTebdnen. es iyo sityvieri Seurac xyo fa, video maqvs nana xi da Zalian SemaZrw uneb elia. uxeSi sityvebiT mima rTavs ba vSvebs, moval da dagawiwkni Tmebs da ase Semdeg, miWi rs am sityvebis game oreb a~, _ aRniSna natali a zaqare iSv ilm a. rogorc `interpres nius s~ Sss-Si ga nucxades, baTumis meriidan Semos ul i gancxadebis safu Zvelze dawyeb ulia wi nasagamo Ziebo moqm edeb ebi da mimdina r eobs monawile pireb is gamokiTxveb i fa qtT an dakavSi re biT. `interpresniusi~ rom iq ar gadadi s, es sazogado ebisTv is cnobilia~, _ ganacxada kaxa koJoriZ em. saqarTv elos ekonomikis ministrma, dimitri qumsiS vil ma gaakeTa gancxa de ba, rom sasurve lia, saqarTvelos prez ide ntis rezid enciasTan dakavSir ebiT gada wy ve tilebebi swrafad iqnas miReb uli. qumsiS vilis ganmartebiT, aTonel ze mdebare rezi denciis arsebuli sax iT SenarCu nebis mizniT, mTavrobas yov elTvi urad `fulis daxa rjv a~ uwevs. `baton biZinas namdv ilad aqvs ufle ba, rom SeSfoTe ba gamoTqva s am mimarT ulebiT. erTa de rTi, rac SemiZlia me dava mato da davamato gulistkiv iliT aris is, rom es Senoba Zalian kargadaa gakeTe buli. masze saxelmwifo biuje t ida n Zalian didi fulia daxarju li, Tu ar vcdebi 26 milioni, dResdReobiT ki daketil ia da Cven yovelTv iurad fulis daxa rjv a gviwevs imisTvi s, rom aRniS nuli Senobis Sesabamis mdgomare obaSi Senaxva mova xe rxoT. amit om sasu rvelia, rom gada wy vetilebebi sakmaod swrafad iqnas miRebuli~, _ aRniS na di mitri qumsiSvil ma. `interpresniusi~ s 11-17 noemberi 2015 5 q kbnthfnehf, yovelkvireuli gazeTi, gamodis oTxSabaTobiT `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ arT # 44 (308) uli it yva giorgi leoniZe literatura, xelovneba, politika poezia stepis odisea manasi raki wyali gaduwures, aRar hqonda sxva gza raki, wamovida Jakipbai ukan mosdevs akaraki. es ra xdeba ialaRze? daayenes ra qarbuqi? cxenebs saiT erekeba aTi yalmuxi Wabuki? `ase ratom moiRuSe? cremlia Tu Tvalze nami? ratom scemen im mejoges? visi rema mohyavT, mami?~ `mofenili aris veli, Cveni sisxliT, Cveni ZvlebiT, Cven aq mainc xiznebi varT, yalmuxebi _ maspinZlebi. es cxvrebic da es cxenebic, yvelaferi sul Cemia, begara ar gadvixade, kaci mitom ucemiaT~. axla mixvda goliaTi is kacebi vin arian, rom oSpuri msaxuria, rom Jakipi mdidaria. iTmina da ver iTmina, gaaWena baim cxeni da yalmuxma moxuc mxedars, gaduWira Soltis wveri. manasma ver daioka mrisxaneba, gulisfeTqva, kortuks esrola qamanda Tavis qala gauxeTqa, yalmuxebi ecnen manass, Wabuks Zala moemata, goliaTma biW-buWebi aqeT-iqiT mimofanta. Jakib-baim uTxra manass, davisjebiT am sisxlisTvis, gamosasyids gadavixdi me kortukis sikvdilisTvis. `gveyo, mami, morCileba radgan ase gagvaxeles, ra vqna, me ver gavCerdebi, gulze ver davikref xelebs, Cemi risxvis, Cemi Zalis, eSinodeT yangaelebs. roca Cems xalxs amcireben, ver viqnebi arxeinad, vici, mxsnelad davibade, `manas~ Cemi saxelia. im mxareSi koCku iyo esen-xanis nacvalio, gulSi Cumad uRvioda siZulvilis marcvalio. sisxam diliT moaxsenes, didebulo, koCku, xano! mTidan ambavi movida savalalo, samwuxaro. burutebi gaTavxeddnen, ar dagviTmes cxenebio, mokles vaJkaci kortuki, ucemiaT Cvenebio. brazobs koCku, iglejs wverebs, kedlebs awydeba, viT qari, mrisxanebiT avsebulma Sekriba didi laSqari. mraval buruts dauWkneba dRes sicocxlis yvavilio, qalis qviTins Seereva cxvar-Zroxebis bRavilio, balaxi ver gaixarebs iq, sadac me Cavivlio, Jakip-bai, umaduro, dagvanaxe Seni Zeo, imdens vurtyamT cxvir-piridan wamouva dedis rZeo. Rirsebi xarT am miwidan yovel ers aqvs Tavis i mTavari wigni, qveynis ukvdavebis niSansveti. yir gizi xalxisTvi s aseTia eposi „manasi“, rome lsac iunesk o-m „stepis odisea“ uwoda. me-11 sauku nis Sedev ri msofl io s mraval enazea Targmnil i. „qarTu li sityva“ pirvelad gTavazobT poemi s qarTul variants, romelic mayvala gonaSvi lma Targmna. manasi _ stepis odisea (gagrZeleba. dasawyisi ix. `qarTuli sityva~ #41, 42, 43) samudamod gagaZevoT. ar gakmarebT Cven am sasjels, dRe da Rame cremli RvareT, umaduro burutebo, SegikedleT, SegifareT. Tqvens aqlemebs, Tqvens cxvar-Zroxas ar akliaT Tiva, qeri, gamravldiT da gaTavxeddiT, sikeTis wil es ra hqeniT? naxeT erTi, mag Tqvens manass cxvir-pirs rogor davunayav, mZvinvarebda koCku-xani, Semoartyes uceb alya. sicocxles ar daiSurebs dasWirdeba manass Tuki ZmobilisTvis sulsac dalevs es ormoci mzeWabuki. `xis joxebiT ras damaklebT~, _ moimarjva koCkum xmali, magram am dros er-manasi gamoenTo, rogorc xari. mxarSi styorcna koCkus Subi, mamacma da avznianma da gaiqca SiSnaWami xani Tavis razmianad. asaxela Zmobilebi da auvso lxeniT guli, mxolod Jakipbai oxravs vaJs ucqeris sayveduriT. _ mami, ase ratom oxrav, guls rad giRrRnis eWvis maxra, _ es sikeTes ar mogvitans, daiwyeba mtroba axla. netav risi gamarjveba, ris gmiroba, risi Zmoba, manas, Zvirad dagvijdeba vici, Seni TavkerZoba. es qiSpoba, es yoCoba, ras mogvitans? mxolod zians da sabralo Cvens yirgizebs altaidan gandevnian. dRe da Rame vmuSaobdi, es simdidre risTvis minda? akmaltbai Cumad ijda, bolos veRar moiTmina. `sul qaliviT rad viSviSeb? TavSi ratom icem uros? Svili gsurda, mogca RmerTma, sxva ra ginda, umaduro. mere ra, rom ceti aris, rogorc raSi ubeloo, naperwkali rom aenTos unda suli uberoo. am Sens vaJSi uflis neba koconiviT gaRvivdao, Cvens xalxs ixsnis Seni Svili, Zmao, meti ra gindao. Cven aq mainc ucxoni varT, rac ar unda viyoT kargad, samSobloSi dabrunebis rwmena nuTu dagekarga? nebiT ratom idgam uRels? ratom iyri Tavze nacars? miTxar, Zmao, dedis nacvlad vin ificebs dedinacvals? guli rodi aris mTeli, Tu gaiyo eWviT orad, Seni vaJi RmerTma mogvca yirgizebis winamZRolad. manasis gamarjveba esenxanis mstovrebze roca zecam iviSviSa da cremlebad daiRvara, roca qveynis yvela kuTxe wylis sudariT daifara. roca warRvnis mRvrie talRam moaswora mTa da bari da sicocxlis niSnad zRvaze TrToda noes kidobani. trialebda codvis wyali mrisxane da ferad uCa, maSin warRvnas mxolod erTi, beiJani gadaurCa. iq cxraasi komli iyo Cinelebis winaprebi, bolos mainc dedamiwam moiSuSa iarebi. mwuxarebac fermkrTaldeba roca gadis dro da xani, zRvidan diad kedlamde dRes CineTs marTavs esenxani. sasaxleSi cxovrobs erTi mCxibavi da gulTmisani sxvas aravis ar endoba gulboroti esenxani. marCielma kargad icis, vis ra elis, ra moxdeba mteri rodis damarcxdeba, suli rodis amoxdeba. ekrZalvian sasaxleSi grZneulsa da bedis mkiTxavs, marCielma esens erT dRes aseTi ram waukiTxa: altaiSi cxovrobs erTi Jakipbai _ beberio, erTi Ze hyavs goliaTi kbiliT rkinis mkvnetelio. TiTqos iyos SeiTani ise jdeba cxenzedao, vxedav male is buruti Surs iZiebs Cvenzedao. axlac, am wigns rom vkiTxulob, mikankalebs xelebio, gamixmeba moxucs ena, gvelis mware dReebio. esenxanma razms mimarTa: `gindac iyos SeiTani wadiT, ZebneT is manasi, mokaliT an SeipyariT~. xan Jolois vin ar icnobs, vin ar icis, ra kacia urCia da mamacia, yalmuxebis Tavkacia. roca galRva yinuli da roca wyali Cadga xeSi, manasis dasamarcxeblad razms Caudga saTaveSi. am dros cxenebs Cveni gmiri mdinaresTan aZovebda, TamaSobda mere ordos da wreSi koWs agorebda. wreSi erTi datvirTuli aqlemi ar Semovarda? abalaki hkra manasma koWi datrialda mardad. datrialda _ dabzrialda, SurduliviT gadafrinda, isariviT moxvda aqlems sawyals ferdi gauglija, oras mxedars sibrazisgan saxe boRmiT daeRrija. saTamaSo are-mare, uceb brZolis veli gaxda da ormoci Zmadnafici wamSi cxenebs Semoaxta. `vaSa, manass, vaSa, manass!~ gaismoda yvela mxridan, da orasi axalgazrda Camoyares cxenebidan. Zlivs gadarCa meTauri vinme Cain dooduri sul mTlad sisxliT SeeReba saxe kuSti, mediduri. yirgizebTan mTis bilikiT razms Joloi miuZRveba, Jins manamde ver moiklavs, sanam sisxliT ar gaZReba. ar akivlebs sanam qalebs, ar Seipyrobs sanam manass, da Tu manass ver ipovis, tyved aiyvans moxuc mamas. Jakip-baim uxmo yvelas, avasruloT xanis neba, colad mivceT asulebi, gavatanoT cxenTa rema, mters mets nuRar gavaxelebT, gadagvarCens morCileba. `ar davuTmob am Cvens qalebs Cvens faras da samosaxlos, de, movides is Joloi, ra biWia dagvenaxos. vici, sisxlis msmeli aris, vici boRmiT SeSlilia, fsoni davde sicocxleze me arafris meSinia~. Tqva manasma da Sekazma yornisferi Savi raSi. bedi caSi iwereba kacis xeli mas ver waSlis. xan Jolois banakebi vels moedo, rogorc fara, sisxli rom ar daiRvaros man yirgizebs SeuTvala; gadmogveciT Cven manasi, Tund gundad, Tund TiTo-TiTod, Tu gsurT, musri ar gagavloT, Tu gsurT, rom ar amogJlitoT. me gaxlavarT TviT manasi, an rad minda samalavi, gamouSviT, SemeWidos, vinme Tqveni falavani. er-saiSze giwvevT yvelas me da Cemi Savi raSi Tu cxenidan CamomagdebT wamiyvaneT monad maSin. gaicina xan Joloim, nuTu Sen xar manasio, yirgizebis siamaye da imedi mamasio, pirze rZe ar SegSrobia, ymawvili xar uwveruli, zor-dongos rom dainaxav, SiSiT gagiskdeba guli. `cotas wageTamaSebi kaci rodi vebrZvi bavSvebs~, iqednurad Tqva zor-dongom, Rawvze Rimi uTamaSebs. erT xelSi fari uWiravs, erTSi Subi moris xela, yiJinam da SeZaxilma meomari gaaxela, gamoiWra er-manasic, mxarSi Subi styorcna mardad, dabarbacda goliaTi da cxenidan gadmovarda. kakan! brZana xan Joloim yvelam yuri momapyariT gauswordiT Tavxed ymawvils er-manasi SeipyariT. aq manasis ZmabiWebma xeli hkides ketebs, culebs, kaci kacze Semotyorcnes, mklavi gaimamacures. xanma manasis gmiroba, rogorc iqna daijera, Subi zecisken aRmarTa, meomrebi SeaCera. (gagrZeleba Semdeg nomerSi) 6 # 44 11-17 noemberi 2015 s q kbnthfnehf, (308) literatura, xelovneba, politika yovelkvireuli gazeTi, gamodis oTxSabaTobiT arT uli it yva `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ giorgi leoniZe proza ar aris kano ni gamon aklisis gare Se... rad ar Segvi Zl ia miviRo T erTi pa tara gamona klis i msoflio ritmSi: Se iZleba, marTlac movevlin e qveyanas... ha,ha,ha... Tqven icini T?.. xand axan me vg rZnob, rom me ar varse bob... me fantomi var, SemTx veviT „yofaSi“ moqce uli... andrei belim (misi roman i „pete rb ur gi“ Targm nil ia) scada aseTi tipi moe ca, magram kubistu r kondtr uqciaSi tipi gutaperCi s figur a gamovida. gus tav meirni k ma Seqmna „golemi“...es ufro cocxalia... magr am me ufro vnebian i var... vnebia ni, magra m mainc anonimi... diax, xSirad ase meCvene ba“... mister leik iRimeba da ekiTxeba: „mosie peterec, egeb Tqveni gvari c anoni mi a, an psevdon imi“... `mec ase vgrZnob... mere?..“ `mere da, Tu es asea, maSin ukeTesi iq neba Tqvens gvars `te~ moaci loT, mxol od erTi marcvali“.... `darCeba perec“... `diax, perec.... da iciT mere, ras niS navs `perec“ rusulad?...“ `ras niSnavs?...“ `perec rusulad `pilpil s“ niSna vs... ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.... icini an yvela ni, magr am yvela ze ufro TviTon peterec icin is. `perec... perec... pilpila..: swore d pilpila..: ha, ha, ha... ai swori saxeli Ce mi. zogze ityvia n _ `marilia~ ama sofl isa... Cemz e SeuZl ia T sTqvan - `pilpil ia~ am qveynis... ha, ha, ha... da marTlac: me paTo si var yofi s... paTos i `pilp ili s~ gareSe SeuZl ebe lia... gaumar jos pere cs... ha, ha, ha... moica de T... miguel unam unos `nislSi~ Cemgvari tipia gamoyvani li, Tumca igi memTvariaa ufro, romel ic uTuod Cukuneba s eweva... ha, ha, ha... warmoid gi ne T, masac `perec~ hqvia... ro gor ar davij ero amis Semdeg winasw ar wyobi li harmo ni a... diah, perec, pere c... gauma rjos perec s... icode T, amieri da n Cemi anon im i pereci s gvars atare bs... am as vambo b me, koko mpere c... gaumarj os perecs~... icini an yvelani da sclian smure bs. mister leik orWol iRimeba da sit yvas Cumad aparebs: `herr peterec... ara: herr perec... rom icodeT, ras niSn av s Tqveni saxeli qarTulad “... `rogor, Tqven qarT uli c iciT?...” ekiTx eba ungar. `ara... mxolod es erTi sity va vici... tfilisS i gavig one... baqaras TamaSis dros”... mister leik i iRim eba. petere c xtis: kiko?.. RmerTo Cemo, nuTu esec rames niSnavs”... `niSnavs da iciT, ras?...~ `kiko qarTu lad `tuzs~ niSn av s~ ... peterec Tu perec sixarul s xeli T iWers: `kiko - tuzi... ai namdvili niSani`... totemu ri niSani... bebr uxana istoria passians s alagebs da uecra d `tuzi~ ga mox te ba... es tuzi me var... `pilp ili s~ garda paToss tuzic sWirdeba... Tu ara... ara: dRes ukan askne lad virw mune winaswarwy obi li harm onia... kiko pere c - tuzi da pilpil a... ha, ha, ha... icini an yvelani da sufra s xalis i em ateba. ungar amCnevs, rom Janne tis xali si odnav gadametebu lia. uecr ad pele tie kiTx vas uyenebs ungars: `arc saxeli gsmenia T im qali s?..~ `saxeli?.. `kava~ ase momesm a~... ambobs gakvir vebul i ungar i. `kava~, `kava~. yvelam TiTqos TavisT vis CaiCu rCula saxeli. miste r leik Se fiq rda wamiT: TiTqo raRac moag onda, Janne t ise ailewa, rogorc lamazi qa li, romli s Tana yofisa s sul sxva qal ze laparak obe n. daiS alen. gamoTxov ebis as ungarm a cxeli xeli igrZno Janetis: pirv elad. peletie gaemar Ta Tavis gziT. darC en ungar da peterec. aris wami, roca Sens gulna debs Tan grigol robaqiZe falestra (daumTavrebeli romani) (gagrZeleba. dasawyisi ix. `qarTuli sityva~ #41, 42, 43) amgzavri grZnobs. grZnobs da aras ambobs. gsurs-giTx ras, is ki sdums, swored ase dums peter ec. ungars ase SeuZlia TviTon gadm oxs nas gulnadebi. is sxva Temas wvdeba: `xval SevxvdebiT albaT erTmane Ts~... `diax, scenari erTalagas Sesasw or ebelia~... `romel alagas?...~ `im alagas, saca falestras aleqsa n dre xvdeba~...… `mizezi?..~ `mizezi?.. amaze Semdeg... Tqven kidev naxavT im qals~... daumata TavisTvis peterecma. ,,marTla?...~ ungarma am SekiTxvaze gaxareba daiW ira tuCebze: Sercxva . . . ,,uTuod... TqvenSi vxedav im qals~ ,,Tqven qaragmiT iciT laparaki~... ,,vinc ase gznobs ,,sxvas~, icode T, is ,,sxvac~ grZnobs... gzneba mxolod orke cia mZlavri, orpiri, ormagi~... ungars kidev hsurda SekiTxva, magr am tuCebi daikvnita. peterec gamoemSvidoba. darCa ungar marto. RamiT man pirve lad igrZno, rom misis naxe vari (astra luri?) sadRac sxvaganaa. unga rma ,,ver onals~ mimarTa pirvelad. k a m a r a m e s a m e mister mak kolaxs gamoeRviZa. daxeda saaTs. 10. ar iama. saqmis kacs ase gvian ar unda eRviZebodes. albad ,,veronalma~ gadaaWarba. mister mak ko lax bolo dros,- Tu aseT saSvalebas ar mimarTa, - kargad ver iZinebs. maga ri Zi li ki energ iis asaR vivebl ad yvelafer ia. ara: sxeuli mister kola xis iZineb s, xolo sxeulSi tvini ver isvenebs. mak kolaxis tvini ZilS iac muSao bs qveSecn eul. swored ise, rogor c tvini stude ntis, romelmac saswra fod gamocda un da Caabar os, - im gansxvav ebi T mxolod, rom stude nt is tvini form ulebs imeo rebs aTasnai rs, mak kola xis tvinS i ki marto birJis cifreb i darbi an. aseT i tvinisaT vis ,,veronal~ gamosade gia da mak kola x arc uwyr eba am ueba r saSual ebas ,,gadac il ebi saTvis~. wamodga mister. mivida sarkesT an. Caixeda. asark ul i saxe miste r mak kola xs ar moewon a. quTuToe bi dasiveb oda saxes. Tvalebis qvemokan i gudaf Sutas a viT CamoSvebu liyo, kans feric guda fS utis hqonda. Semdeg – wveri: guSin gapa rsuli. xolo wveri s TeTri wvetebi saS inlad ukar gavden iers saxes. mak kolax moiRuSa: TiTqos mkvdars Sexeda ucbad gacocxlebuls. gaax senda: sikvdilis Semdeg cxedar s Tma ezrde ba kide v. gaaz rial a tanSi. erTi kidev Sexeda sark es, - TiTqo sxvisia, - da swrafad gamobrun da. Semde g Seud ga tual ets. jer kbile bi gamoi recxa. kbilebid an 18 hqond a Ta visi. dana rCeni – xelov nu ri, oqrosi. namdvili kbile bi dan ac oric ar iyo je rovani. miuxedav ad mravalnai r xexvis a da xvewi sa, `Rvinis qva~ yvelaz e modeb u li hqond a: Siga da Sig es qva RojiviT iyo warm oS ebul i. maSin kbili beberi cxenis kbils hyavda: yviTels, SeRr Rni ls, gada cveTils. kbilebi rom moaTav a, piri s pars vas mimarT a. moicila moTeTro wverebi. ai Ro cxeli tilo da iwyo masaJi. mag kol axs siame ucocxlde bod a: sarkeSi xedav da farao s saxes, TandaTan mosuliereb uls. cxeli tiloTi Tvaleb is qvemo kan ic daizida _ (mak kolxma icoda masaJis xerx ebi). warm oi dgineT: gudaf Sut ebi ramod eni meT daiWime n da miima lnen. mak kolaxma exla cxel vanas mimarTa, vanaSi xmeli tani axal is da da gadaxalisda. tanic magrad daizila, SeiSro, modune bul i sisxli aRvivda odnav da TiTqos xorcis sxma iwyo. mak kola xis gune bam ki dev ufro imat a. Caic va tansacmel i, Tag visferi gaikeTa magari sayel o, Zveleb uri. Seikra yelsaxvevi: momwvan o abreS umi wiTur i laqebiT, oTxkuTxur iT, gai keTa monokli. moimarjva tani, sxeulis elementebi TavTav is alag as dalag dnen Semdeg - gada xvewi li loyeb i pudriT moififqa. daxeda asak rul maska s. exla moewo na Tavisi Tavi. sark idan TiTqos ramzes meore icqir eboda utex i Zlevam osil ebiT. mokumul bageze Rimi lma ga dai rbi na. mak kola xs sjeroda Tavisi Tavi. yava da sauzme ukve Semoitanes. mak kolaxs magidas miujda, Sesva ya va. isauzma. sxeulis nawilebi axalis dn en da amoZravdnen: TiTq os zemoiT moa lbes mexanizmi. mak kolaxs mieca Tanda Tan manqanis simagre: aravi Tari dardi, arc gzneba mwvavi, arc emocia basri. mxolod erTi ram: neba, neba rvalis: sa ca araa erTi naoWic. neba – erTi eleme ntisagan Camosxmuli: TiTqo geologiu ri movlena. mak kolax exla nebaa: utexi, udreki, urCi. Semoitanes gaze Tebi. gada xe da gazeTe bs. waikiTx a depeSe bi. jer boksi: demps ei iwve vs tonneis. Semdeg SahmaTi: alexi ni emzade ba kapab lankasTan Sesabmelad. Semdeg kino: lil dago ve r gamodis axal film Si. Se mdeg sporti: norve gielma qalma qalma gascura amde ni da amdeni mili. Semdeg politika: mussolini, briani, Cemberl eni, germania, sabWoTa kavS iri. Semde g cekva: mgoni ,,Carlstons~ wirva gamouv ida. aTasi sxva ram. gaze TebSi marto sa Taurebi iyo saintereso. mak kolaxma gada avl o Tvali saTa urebs. TiTqo yve lafers gaecno. bolos, is furceli ai Ro, saca birJas aqvs adgi li. es boloSi moitova, rom meti interesiT (meti sia miTa c?!) gadaekiTxa... aqciebi, faseuli qaRaldebi, dolari, sterlin gi. maTi kursi: niu iorkSi, londonSi, parizSi, berlin Si. mak kolax aq iyo Tavis Ta va di. aq grZnobda igi Tavis Tavs. sabir Jo ambebs ise dascqeroda, rogo rc Wirveu li Sahmatisti kapablankas partias. mak kolaxs aq hqonda mxolod gamonaklisi: sxvaga n Tu marto neba iyo igi, aq am nebas intuiciac emateboda, nacrisfer fon ze wvrili Tvalebi kidev ufro wvril debodnen. rux, TiTqo gaxu nebul Tval ebidan guge bi iwyebdnen minabuli dawu rviT kiafs. am kiafSi ibade boda fosf oruli intuic ia birJebis, kursebis, fasebis. (gagrZeleba Semdeg nomerSi) s 11-17 noemberi 2015 7 q kbnthfnehf, yovelkvireuli gazeTi, gamodis oTxSabaTobiT `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ arT # 44 (308) uli it yva giorgi leoniZe literatura, xelovneba, politika axali leqsebi SeekiTxeT cremlebs, SeekiTxeT wvimas, SeekiTxeT Rrublebs, SeekiTxeT imas, imas SeekiTxeT, SeekiTxeT dilas, SeekiTxeT mTvares, Rames ratom sZinavs. SeekiTxeT mzes da Cems sevdian Tvalebs, siyvaruls ar hkiTxoT, arc im lamaz qalebs, araferi hkiTxoT im Cems mesaflaves. iyos ocnebebi, sevda gahyves Rames, hkiTxeT tanjvis wuTebs, wuTebs, drois wamebs, hkiTxeT imas, hkiTxeT, vinc me masaflavebs, ratom rekavs diliT cidan glovis zarebs. hkiTxeT, vin mihyveba zRvaSi gasul navebs. SeekiTxeT cremlebs, SeekiTxeT wvimas, SeekiTxeT Rrublebs, SeekiTxeT imas, imas SeekiTxeT, SeekiTxeT dilas, SeekiTxeT mTvares, Rames ratom sZinavs. im Zvel sizmrebSi Zveleburad vwvalob, sul vwvalob, bulbuliviT ver vfren, ver vgalob, simdidre ar maqvs, ver varigeb, Raribs ver vwyalob, rom gavCndi qveynad, RmerTo Cemo, vnanob, dRes vnanob! vwvalob dRe da Ram, zRvis talRebSi davcurav, vwvalob, vai galobas, am galobas, rom veRar vgalob. vwvalob fiqrebSi, yvavilebSi veRara vxarob, RmerTo, rad gavCndi, am gaCenas Zalian vnanob. davaSave, vici, rom vaSaveb, vici, CaSavebul Rames viTvli, CemTvis viTvli. mze, mze ar maxarebs, dRe mibrmavebs Tvalebs, xe darguli kvdeba, sikvdils me mabralebs. viTvli dRes da Rames, vismen locvis zarebs, ca Sens cisfer Tvalebs zRvaSi abanavebs! ra xdeba ai, mec movedi, Rimili Rimils eTamaSeba, ai, me movedi... vfiqrob, ra xdeba... Caxteba, guli gulSi Caxteba, mere im gulSi vardi daxvdeba, daxvdeba, guls guli daxvdeba, sinaTle Caqreba... Caqreba... Caqreba... ra xdeba, ra xdeba, ai, mec movedi, Rimili Rimils eTamaSeba, mTvare RamesTan ar wveba, ra xdeba, RmerTo, RmerTo, ra xdeba... zafxuls zRvis talRa bardeba, gazafxuls guli darCeba, Semodgoma da zamTari vardisfrad amiyvavdeba, ra xdeba, ra xdeba... ra midis, ra rCeba... ai, movedi, mere ra, Cemi ocneba marcxdeba... Semofrenili frinveli Cems vardis totze ar jdeba... ar vici, mere ra meSveleba xmas gavigeb da giaxlovdebi, miaxlovdeba Seni mSvenebac, ros daginaxav, vici, movrCebi, waxval da mere ra meSveleba?! ara xar, mainc momagondebi, Tvals Seni feri eTvalfereba, SeniT Sens fiqrebs davemonebi, waxval da mere ra meSveleba?! SeniT arasdros me ar movkvdebi, ar miweria gadaSeneba, cremlad cvivian xidan foTlebi, cremlian foTlebs ra eSvelebaT?! gzaze sirbiliT gaviToSebi, Seni aCrdili mzis fers edreba, var mag sinaziT ganaocebi, ar miweria me dabereba! xmas gavigeb da giaxlovdebi, miaxlovdeba Seni mSvenebac, ros daginaxav, vici, movrCebi, waxval da mere ra meSveleba?! ra vqna, qalov, saalersod movedi, dRe da Rame Sens Semosvlas velodi, vicodi, rom Sen me aRar mSvelodi, mzis da mTvaris molodinSi vdnebodi. dakiduli Tmis ReriviT vwydebodi, cremliani balaxebze vwvebodi, zRvis talRebSi curviT vitanjebodi, ra vqna, qalov, mainc menatrebodi. damaRona frenam, gadafrenam, damaRona yvelam, yvelam, yvelam, damaRona Senma gamoCenam, zecis wvimam, zecis wvimis wyevlam. Tvalebma da TvalTa ferTa xedvam, mag TvalebSi siyvarulis elvam, zecis ferma, zecis ferTa xedvam, mag TvalebSi siyvarulis elvam, zecis ferma, zecis ferTa xedvam, gulis vnebis, gulis, gulis feTqvam, vici, Sen xar, Cemo fiqro, Sen xar, vardis baRSi vardis ferze wevxar, vici, mze xar, mzis namReri mze xar, me ara var, magram vici, Sen xar. agedevne Crdili, monaCrdili, agedevne, rogorc Ramis Zili, agedevne, vici, SenTan vivli, vivli SenTan, rogorc sulis fiqri. mivdivar da gzaSi viRac mxvdeba, Suqi qreba, ocneba ki rCeba, cis ferebSi vardis feri qreba, Ramea da modis molandeba. gaxseneba erTxel Caval sofelSi, vinaxuleb Cemebs, cisken xelebs aRvmarTav, Cems gatanjul xelebs. saxl-kars movinaxuleb, mindvrebsa da velebs. erTxel Caval sofelSi, cremlebs davRvri, cremlebs, erTxel movinaxuleb Zvelebs, ZvelTa Zvelebs. erTxel moveferebi msxlis da vaSlis xeebs. erTxel Seval bostanSi, wnelebs vnaxav, wnelebs. gavixseneb bavSvobas, moCurCule Reles. Cems bavSvobas, naTlobas, cas da cisa ferebs. gaval sasaflaoze, cremlebs davRvri, cremlebs. erTxel Caval sofelSi, vinaxuleb Zvelebs, cisken xelebs aRvmarTav, Cems gatanjul xelebs. me aravis vWirdebi, mec aravin mWirdeba, vinmes Tu davWirdebi, Citi Semofindeba, amiran, midi, Saubere! amiran SalikaSv ilma saqar TveloSi Seqmn a pantom imis brwyinv ale Teatri. dRes msoflioSi aRiar eben am Teat rs a da mis reJisorsa c. Tavad amirani ki, ase ambobs: `gavbede da poetT a samy aro Si Sevt op e!~ Cemo amiran, girCev, ar Sedrk e da gaixse ne Seni ve leqsi s striqon ebi: `yvelaferi iqneba, mze mziT amobrwyi nd eba, me aravis vWirdebi, me aravin mWirdeba!~ am SemTxvevaSi ar geTanx mebi, radgan Sen saqar Tvelos sWird ebi. hoda, midi, Saubere!.. jansuR Carkviani amiran SalikaSvili bageTagan mze amodis, cis mze aris Camqrali, eg Tvalebi midi-modis, axlovdeba zamTari. yvavilebs vkref mindvris, qoTnis, kocniTa var damwvari, sakocnelad mze amodis, SveliviT var damfrTxali. mkerdi locvis, feri foTlis, CamouSviT bawari, Tavi unda CamovixrCo, mTvareSi var Camwvari. gind mokvdi da ginda morCi, samarTali sad ari, siyvaruli, Cemi codvis, axlovdeba zamTari. mwuxareba navSi zRvis talRebs vkrifav konebad, suli ixrCoba zRvaSi, gadaviqeciT monebad, xval me aRar viqnebi, dro Tmis bewvad wvrildeba, Savi gamefda TvalSi. sicocxle iqca foTlebad, vici, vici samSoblos xvale gauWirdeba. qari seirnobs qarSi, foTolTa cvena daiwyo, mTvare marcxniv ixreba, mze cis ferSi irweva, zis mwuxareba navSi. yvelaferi iqneba, mze mziT amobrwyindeba. gamudmebiT laparakobs wvima, me aravis vWirdebi, mec aravin mWirdeba, kari nu gaqvs, kari nu gaqvs Ria, me xom vici, Sens saxlSi rom civa, vinmes Tu davWirdebi, Citi Semofindeba. moixure, kari nu gaqvs Ria. am sicives wvimis sevda hqvia, wvimis wveTi dadis, masac sciva, SiSvel sxeuls qurqi ar acvia. roca Sen gxedav, mzes vxedav mzeSi, cviva cidan wvima, wveT-wveT cviva, giyureb, mzeo, da marad getrfi, vici, wvimas wvimis wveTi hqvia, vici, erTi xar, is erTaderTi, wvimas tanze qurqi ar acvia. bednieri var, rom dRes Sen Segxvdi. ra unda giTxra, xar erTaderTi, mag silamazes, vgrZnob, Sevaberdi, aseTi lamazi quCa, CemTvis erTi xar ocneba, erTi, aseTi maxinji me, SerCi mzis sxivebs Sen erTaderTi, vardebi mziT gaifurCqna, siyvaruls gixsni, saTqmeli ver vTqvi, quCaSi seirnobs mze. mzes, mzes SemorCi Sen erTaderTi, Sens Rimils mercxlebi unda, gzad rom ver Segxvdi, Tvals SerCa davdivar, gamirbis dRe, cremli. CemTvis is Rame quxda, getyvi yvelafers, yvelafers getyvi, davkarge gza Senamde. gulSi anTia vnebaTa cecxli, yvavilebs Sexeba unda, ferflad viqeci, ferfli var, ferfli, kocna da sxivebi mzes, im dRes dagtove, amaSi Sevcdi. geZebdi, wvima da quxda, veZebdi gzas Senamde. erTi sicocxle Seswiro Teatrs... giga lorTqifaniZes erTi sicocxle Seswiro Teatrs, es mxolod RmerTis ganaCenia. Sen RmerTs ekuTvni, Sen mzes ekuTvni, SenSi rac aris, is xom Cvenia! Teatraluri erTi zRapari qarTul samyaros SemorCenia. qarTul TeatrSi Seni navardi es xom Senia, mere Cvenia... Sen iyav Seni niWiT marTali, scenaze gedi agifrenia, qarTuli scenis saWes marTavdi _ giga, giorgi, niWi, genia! mainc arsebobs cis samarTali, caSi xom mudam sami feria, zecis sicocxle, mze, gazafxuli, is erTi feri mxolod Senia. erTi sicocxle Seswiro Teatrs, es mxolod RmerTis ganaCenia. Sen RmerTs ekuTvni, Sen ers ekuTvni, SenSi rac aris, is xom Cvenia! mova, ambobs, viRac ambobs, siyvaruli mova, TeTrma Tovlma CamoTova, TeTrad CamoTova. siyvarulma mze da mTvare RamiT gaaTxova, Tovlma yvavilT gazafxuli me ar damitova. maqvs tkivili Senaxuli, wvimis, qaris qrolva, miwa cremliT danamuli, mTvarem miatova. rac wavida, is arasdros, is arasdros mova, gazafxulze, zRvis talRebma qari gaaTxova. 8 # 44 11-17 noemberi 2015 s q kbnthfnehf, (308) literatura, xelovneba, politika yovelkvireuli gazeTi, gamodis oTxSabaTobiT arT uli it yva `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ giorgi leoniZe skandali erosis qvrivi `rusTavi 2~-isTvis brZolas iwyebs?! ris gamo moxda erosi kiwmariSvilis, daviT dvalisa da jarji aqimiZis ganxeTqileba xalvaSi aris Tu ara `rusTavi 2~-is rea luri mepatrone? sazo ga doebaSi am sam auwyeblo kompaniis mepatroned sameu li _ erosi kiwmariSvi li, jarji aqimi Ze da daviT dvali iTvleba. erosi coc xali aRaraa, aqimiZe da dvali ki, xalva Sis gverdiT arian... _ geTan xmebiT, am triumvirats tele vizia Secil ebis gareSe ekuTvnoda. rac Seexeba xalvaSs, is TviTonve aR iar ebs, rom am procesSi SemT xveviT gam oCnda. iqid an dawyebuli, yvelafe ri uk ve mistikaa da procesebi c, rome lSic bevrma adam ian ma miiRo mona wileob a, mi stikuri a. swored aqedan unda daiwyos sasam arT lo m Rrma analizi. _ faqtia: xalvaS i gamarjve bulia da, rogorc ganacxada, keTi li nebiT, televiziis 50%-s aqimiZesa da dvals dauTmobs. Tqven ki, rogorc erosis oj axis wevrs, bunebrivad gagiCnd aT pro erosi kiwmariSvilis samarTalmemkvidre ia kiwmariSvili brZolis dasawyebad test is grZnoba da esec gasagebia... emzadeba _ savaraudod, male sasamarTlos mimarTavs. _ am `keTili nebis~ Jests ver avxs ni... rogorc `qarTul sityvasTan~ saubrisas erosis Zmam, zurab kiwmariSvilma albaT, ufro imas ukavSirde ba, rom qib ganacxada, ia Tanaxma ar iqneba, qibar xalvaSis mier gadacemuli `rusTavi 2~-is wilis 50% procenti sam nawilad gaiyos da sasamarTlos meSveobiT Seecdeba, is ar xalvaSi am biznesSi dResac araa gar kveuli, Tumca amas SeveSvaT... wili daibrunos, rac mis meuRles realurad ekuTvnoda. sasamarTlom saqmis ganxi lva jarj zura kiwmariSvili, eros i kiwmar i iTxovs. is, dvalis an, Tundac, Cemi Zmis sarCe l Svilis Zma: _ 20 welia, `rusT avi 2~ soc kargad viciT, rom `rusT avi 2~-is wi is ki ara, xalvaSis sarCelis safuZve l ialur-polit ikuri movle nebis orom lebi iyideboda da icvleboda. yvelaf ze daiwyo da daadgina, rom im garemoe trialSia, am xnis ganm avlo baSi, kompan eri imdenad absu rdulia, rom Znelia, bebiT, rac waredgina, es kaci marTa lia. iaSi, bevri Taoba gaizarda da bevr ma info rmacia, romelsac maTgan vism enT Tuki xalvaSma miaRw ia, rom sarCe li da did warmatebasac miaRw ia. maTi nawi li ar davijeroT, radgan maT Zalian rTu ukmayofilda, misi uflebaa, wili visac dResac `rusTa vi 2~-Si muSaobs. sxvaTa li periodi gaiares. aqedan gamomdina unda, imas aCuqos. is, rom ar iTvaliswi Soris, mec am kompani is erT-erT pioner re, Tu rogor Sexedavs am proce sebs ub nebs erosis faqtors, amaSi iuridi ul ad viTvlebi. roca erosi am kompanias ral o mayurebeli, imis ganmsazRvr eli nonsess ver vxedav. Cemi pretenzia, ro aSene bd a, Cems samegobro s Tan erTad, mis ar unda iyos, telekompania vis unda ek ca am saqmeSi erosis samarTalmemkvi dr gverdiT viyavi... uTvnodes. is Ca r T v a mo v i T x o v e, xa l v a S i s ke T i l _ zura, imas, rac dRes `rusT av i 2~_ ras gulisxmobT? Jests sul ar uk a v S i r d e b a... mas arc Ce m i is garSemo xdeba, rogor afase bT? _ Cven yvelas vusmenT, magram es araa pro t e s t i ga n u x i l a v s da arc mo m a v a l _ am televizi as erT-erTi rTuli pe nafic msajulTa sasamarTlo, romlis Si, er o s i s me u R l i s, ias pre t e n z i e b s ga riod i udga s. dRes am kompani aSi 800-ze gadawyvetilebac misaRebia. es sasamar eTa saCi vr meti adamia ni muSao bs da zogisT vi s es Tlosa da samarTaldamcavi struqtur nixilavs, magram Tuki mewil axalia, zogic yvelafer amas SeCveul ia, ebis prerogativaa, romlebmac gare fa ebis ganxilva wavida da sasamarTlom Tumca aq Tavs bednierad da komfortu qtorebis zegavlenis gareSe unda imsj CaTvala, rom Tavis droze moxda proc lad veravin grZnobs. yvela, maT Soris, elon da gadawyv etileba ise miiRo n. es esebi, romlis Sedegadac kanonier mf mec imis molod inS i varT, rom kompania erTaderTi saSualebaa, rom `rusTavi lobelebs CamoerTvaT wilebi da sxvas ia muSaob as gaagr Ze lebs Zvelebur ad. bun 2~-is wilobrivi sakiTxi gairkves da am gadaeca, Tuki vlaparakobT samarTl n o b i s aR d g e n a z e, au c i l e b l a d un d a gan ebrivia, rvaasi ve Tana mSr om eli erTma is Taobaze kiTxvebi sxva politikur le neTs ar xvdeba da mosa zre bebs ar uzia formaciaSi aRar iyos. es araa moralu vixiloT erosis wilobrivi monawi rebs, magr am Cems garSemo, visT anac ur rad gadasawyv eti sakiTxi. modiT, es sa obis sakiTxic. Tu aqamde sasamarTlos s miumarTa vs, ax Tie rTob a maqvs, yvelas veub nebi, rom qme mainc brma Temidas mivandoT, magram Tvis am sakiTxze aravi lo mo m a v a l S i es dRe au c i l e b l a d dad yvelaferi dala gde ba da simarT le gai iq, sasamarTloSi, aucileblad yvelas geba. rkveva _ kompania imis mflobelo baSi Tanabari pirobebi unda hqondes. _ anu, sasa marTloSi sarCe ls xalva iqneba, vinc yvelaze marTalia. _ sasamarTlom miiRo gadawyvetile _ da vin aris marT ali? ba, magram darCa bevri SekiTxva... qibar Sis winaaRmdeg SeitanT? _ am sakiT xz e jer iac _ am telekompan iis mflobe lobi s araa Camo yalibebuli imit pretendent ebi yovelTvis iyvnen da dR `Zalian bevrs CemTvisac uTqvams, om, rom iuristebTa n konsu esac aqtiu rad Cana n. bolos da bolos, yvelaferi es imitom moxda, rom `rus ltacia ar gauvlia. Sesaba kvanZi unda gaixsn as da raRac gairkves. Tavi 2~-is sakiTxi gadasawyvetiao. ma misa d, Znelia imis Tqma, Tu SeiZl eba, amas erTi welic dasW irdes, Ti argumentebis uaryofas ver SevZl ra formiT dadge ba sasama magram saboloo d, Sede gi dadgeba. vxe davT, rom yvela pretende nti Tavis sim eb, iqidan gamomdinare, rom xelT ar rTloSi sakiTxi. am drois arTleSi gulwrfelad aa darwm un ebu maqvs sabuTi, rac realurad moxda. am aTvis mxolod imis Tqma Sem iZlia, rom ia Tavis intere li da yvela samar Tliano bi s aRdgenas asTan dakavSirebiT yovelTvis mqon sebis dacva s apirebs da amas da gaRizianebuli pozicia, radgan ar ramdenime faqtori ganapi mindoda am ori movlenis erTmaneTT robebs: erTi, martivi da an dakavSireba, Tundac sentimentis Zalian pragmatuli _ iyo gamo. rom warmovidgen, erosi imas ga wili da aRar aris. movi da rom iam es wili moiT dahyva, rac yvelaze metad uyvarda, dro, xovos. meore, Tuki sasamar amis gacnobiereba CemTvis Zalian mZi Tlo iTvaliswin ebs prete mea. Jurnalistebisagan gansxvavebiT, ndentTa interesebs da ram SesaZlo scenarebsa da mkvlelobis ve denadac vici, es gadawyve t rsiebze arasodes vlaparakob da gam ileba im Cvenebis safuZve l ze miiRes, romelic erosim oZiebas mivyvebi~. Tavis droze sagamoZiebo organoebs misca, unda gai Tvalisw inos erosi s samarTalmemkvi d ris pretenziebic. _ Tu movlenebi ise ganviTa rda, rog orc am dReebSi gaxda cnobili, anu aqi miZe da dvali xalvaSis gverdi T aRmoC ndnen, momaval sasamarTlo procesze isini, albaT, xalvaSis pozic ias daic a ven. ra urTie rTo ba hqonda Tqvens Zmas Tavi s or partniorTan da darwmunebu li xarT, rom isini simarTl es ityvia n? _ am sams urTi erToba negatiuri da moSlil i im periodida n hqonda, roca erosim kompaniis gakotrebaze gancxa d eba gaakeTa. aman maTi mxridan wilebis daTm obis procesi moamwifa. pirv eli erosi danebda da wavi da, magr am danebe bis aqti komfortul pirobebSi moaxd ina. misi partniorebi ki, ufro dazara ldnen. es, adamia nurad, maTi ganxeTq il ebis mizezi a. Tuki movl enebi ise ganviTa rda, ro gorc Tqven TqviT, ramdenad Seuwyobs maTi monawileoba ias interesebis dakm ayofil ebas, ar vici, magr am Tuki aqim i Ze da dvali daikiTx nen, Cvenebis micema realobis garSemo mouwevT. ramdenad ac maT vicnob, realobas ar gaayalbeb en. _ erosis qvrivi Tanaxm a iqneba, rom kompaniis wilebis is 50%, romelsac xa lvaSi momavalSi daTm obs, aqimiZ esa da dvalTa n erTad gainawilos? xalvaSma Tqva, sadac ori, iq sami iyos, iasac Sevx vde bi da dave lapa rakebio. _ rTulia, amaze komentari gaakeTo. ias pozicia bolomde ar aqvs Camoyali bebuli, Tumca mainc mgonia, rom srul wilobriv pretenzias daayenebs. mas ase Ti aqtiurobis ganxorcie leba ar und oda, magram Tvlis, rom axla gaCe rebis dro araa. _ bolo dros gaCn da eWvi, rom erosi `rusTa vi 2~-is saqmis gamo mokles. ras ityviT amis Sesaxe b? _ gvaramia CemTa n saubarSi yove lTv is ambobda, rom am kompaniaSi erosis Rvawls Zalian afasebda. bolo period Sic ramdenje rme gaimeora, erosi rom cocxali yofiliyo, Cvens gverdiT idg ebodao. Zalia n bevrs CemTv is ac uTqva ms, yel aferi es imit om moxda, rom `rusTavi 2~is sakiT xi gada sawyvetiao. maTi argu me ntebis uaryofas ver SevZ leb, iqida n gamomdin are, rom xelT ar maqvs sabuTi, rac realurad moxd a. amasTa n dakavS ir ebiT yove lTvis mqonda gaRizianebuli pozi cia, radgan ar mindoda am ori mov lenis erTmaneTTa n dakavS ireba, Tund ac sentimentis gamo. rom warmovidg en, erosi imas gadahyva, rac yvelaze metad uyvarda, amis gacnobie reba CemTvis Zal ian mZimea. Jurnalistebisagan gansxvave biT, SesaZlo scenarebsa da mkvlelo bis versiebze arasodes vlaparakob da gam oZiebas mivy vebi. gvaramia m ki Tqva, erosi Cvens gverd iT iqnebodao, magr am ar vici, erosi sad iqneboda. es Zalian mZime procesi iyo da am procesSi SeiZ leba, adamianebic ki Secvliliyvnen. samarTlebrivi s garda, aq politik uri momentebicaa da am aspe qtSi erosi sad iqneboda, amas ver gety viT. _ dResac `rusTa vi 2~-Si muSaobT... ar giWir T? _ aq misi daarsebis dRidan vmuSaob. im adamia nebma, romlebic pirveli dRi dan movd iva rT, mTeli Cveni energia Cav deT televizi aSi. davberdiT, WaRara gvaqvs, Svilebi da SviliSv ilebi gvyavs da amis mitoveba CvenTvi s Zalian mZimea. es araa is samsaxu ri, sadac midixa r, gaa tareb eleqtronul baraTs, daafiqsir eb misvlas, Sesrulde ba romeliR ac dro, Sin waxva l da mego brebis wreSi, Wiqa viskize Sens samsaxurs SeukurT xeb. Cven gviyvars Cveni saqme. Cven mive diT araferze da raRac mniSvn elova ni gava keTeT. esaubra naTia verZeuli s 11-17 noemberi 2015 9 q kbnthfnehf, yovelkvireuli gazeTi, gamodis oTxSabaTobiT `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ arT # 44 (308) uli it yva giorgi leoniZe literatura, xelovneba, politika opozicia `male iusticiis ministri gadadgeba!~ dev araerTi mTavroba gveyoleba, rome lic daeyrdnoba am prokurorebs da mosamarTleebs da araerTi Taobis cxo vrebas gaamwa reben. _ Tqveni azriT, sasamarTloSi urT meliZis msgavs i bevria? _ ar mimaCn ia, rom urTmeliZe yvela ze uaresia. is erT-erTia. maga liTa d, aviR oT mosamarTl e Cemia, romelmac gi rgvl ianis saqme ganix ila, esebua, rom lis Sesaxe bac bevr i viciT, miqautaZe, romelmac, sxvaTa Soris, ivaniS vil is 80 milioniT daja rimebis gadawyvetileba miiR o, magr am dRes Tavis saqmia nobas agrZelebs da rac unda parado qsi iyos, amaT emsaxu reba. rodesac gazafxulz e `nacmoZraobas~ miaCnia, `imedi~ rom daarbia, swori iyo da `rusTavi 2~-s rom xuraven, arasworia. `ocnebas~ miaCnia, rom `imedis~ daxurva ar iyo swori, `rusTavis 2~-is daxurva ki sworia. bevri adamiani da maT Soris Cvenc, vfiqrobT, rom erTic araswori iyo da meorec. saakaSvilis dros rom goga xaindravasa da konstantine gamsaxurdias afurTxebd nen da farul Canawerebs uqveynebdnen, is araswori iyo da axla, am dReSi nika gvaramia rom hyavT, sworia? is, rac 10-15 wlis win araswori iyo, axlac arasworia~. kaxa kukava mesame politikuri centris Seqmnis iniciativiT gamodis `gadawyvetileba, romelic mosamarTle urTmeliZem `rusTavi 2~-is saqmesTan dakavSirebiT miiRo, iusticiis ministrma, Tea wulukianma Tavisi xeliT dawera, _ aseT skandalur gancxadebas akeTebs `Tavisufali saqarTvelos~ lideri kaxa kukava da dasZens, _ mas Semdeg, rac evrokavSirma Tavisi cnobili gancxadeba gaakeTa, xelisuflebam wulukiani `gadamala~ da is axla Zebnili ministria~. kukava arc imas gamoricxavs, rom iusticiis ministri male Tanamdebobidan gaaTavisuflon. _ batono kaxa, praqti kulad erTad e rTi xarT, romel ic `rusTavi 2~-Tan da kavSireb ul movlen eb s sxvanai rad afas ebT da ambobT, rom es procesi xeli suf lebam sxva Temeb idan yuradReb is gadas atanad daiw yo... _ aqamde saqar TveloS i orpol us ia ni politika iyo: surdaT, warm oe CinaT, rom `nacmo Zraoba~ erTad erTi mowinaa Rmdegea da sxva ar arsebobs, anu yvela feri, rac qveyanaSi xdeba, mxolod `nac ebsa~ da `qocebs~ exeba T da es axal i ar aa. yvela drois diqtat ore bi da avto ritarul i mmarTvelebi ase akeTebd n en. gavixse no T, saakaSvili ambob da, saakaS vili girCevni aT Tu sxva vinmeo. es xel isufleba xalxs arCevan s saakaSv ilsa da ivani S vil s Soris sTavazobs. minda, sazog adoe ba dava rw mun o, rom es medl is erTi mxarea da SeuZlebelia, maT So ris arCevani gaak eTo. realura d, arCevan i unda gakeTde s im gundsa da polit ik ur Zalaze, rome lic saqarTveloSi maT arse boba s saer Tod gamo ric xavs. _ es polit ikuri Zala romeli a? _ romelim e erT konk retu l polit ikur Zalas ar vgulis xmob. es unda iyos didi polit ikuri koalicia, romelS ic partiebic iqnebi an da sazog ado ebis is wevrebic, romelTac miaCniaT, rom qveyana gadasa rCenia. _ rogorc ambob T, `nacebs~ miaC nia T da `qocebsac~, rom qveyan a maT gareSe ar gadarC eba... _ `nacmoZ raob as~ miaCnia, `imed i~ rom daarbi a, swori iyo da `rusTavi 2~-s rom xurav en, arasworia. `ocneb as~ miaC nia, rom `imed is~ daxurva ar iyo swori, `rusTa vi 2~-is daxurva ki sworia. bevr i adami ani da maT Soris Cvenc, vfiqrobT, rom erTi c araswo ri iyo da meorec. sa akaSvil is dros, rom goga xaindravasa da konstant ine gamsaxurdias afurTxe bdnen da farul Canawer eb s uqve yneb dn en, is araswor i iyo da axla, am dReSi nika gvaramia rom hyavT, sworia? is, rac 10-15 wlis win araswori iyo, axlac ara sworia. amitom aucilebelia, mesame ce ntris Camoyalib eb a da xelisufleb aSi mosvla. _ movlenebis aseT ganviTarebas el odi T, batono kaxa? _ marTali rom giTxraT, ara. ivaniS vilze ufro ukeTesi warmodgena mqon da da ara mxolod _ me, bevri ambobda, rom amas ar gaakeTebda. rogorc aRmoC nda, araferi hqonda gaTvl ili, garda imisa, ise gaekeTebia, rogorc es saakaS vil-patarkaciSvilis dapiris pi rebis as iyo. maT imedi hqondaT, rom vaSingt onSi, ramdenime moqrTamuli kongr esm e ni Seqm nida imis saSu alebas, rom mwvane Suqi aenToT maTi zraxvebisaTv is, magr am evrokavSiris gancxadebam civi wyali gadaasxaT da vfiqrob, es reJimi male damTavrdeba. _ rogorc iuristi, mosa marTl e ur TmeliZis gadawyv etilebas rogor afa sebT? _ arakonstituci uri da arakanonie ri gadawyvetilebaa, romelic kanonmd eblobiT dadgenil normebTan axlosac ar aris da darwmunebuli var, amas saqa rTvelos iurist Ta 99% iziarebs. urT meliZis gadawyv etileba sisx lis samar Tlis danaSaulia da Zalian male is ci xis sakanSi moxvdeba. _ xalvaSis advokatis, salias kompe tenci ac eWvis qveS daaye neT. arada, faq tia: advokatma mniSvnelovani proce si moigo... _ ara marto salias kompetencia da keTilsi ndisiereba dgas eWvis qveS. bo lo movlenebma da droebiTi mmarTve l is daniSv nam dagvanaxa, rom TviTo n sal iac sisx lis samarTlis damnaSave a. sar Celi, romelic dawera, arakompetentu robiT ki ar mouvida, aramed, salia, wulukiani, urTmeliZe, dvali da xalv aSi _ yvela erTad asrulebs dava lebas da amas zewola da marTl msajulebis ukanonod gamoyeneba ewodeba. es sisxl is samarTlis danaSaulia! _ droebiTi mmarTv elis daniSvn a ga marTlebuli ratom araa? _ Tu kanonmdeblobaSi iqneboda dr oebiTi mmarTvelis instituti, iuris tebi idavebdnen, sworia Tu ara kompa n iaSi droebiTi mmarTvelis daniSvn a, magram saqme isaa, rom saqarTv elos kan onmdeblobaSi droebiT i mmarTve lis instituti saerTod ar gvaqvs _ damou kidebeli saqarTvelos istoria Si ar yofila SemTxveva, rom sasamarTlos romelime kompaniaSi droebiT i mmarTv eli SeeSva. amitom, aq imaze ki araa sau bari, rom droebiTi mmarTvelis daniS vna sworia Tu ara, aramed, imaze, rom amas saqarTvelos kanonmdebloba ar ic nobs. es, daaxloebiT, imas niSnavs, saqa rTvelos mTavrobam gamoacxa do s, rom niSnavs kldekaris erisTavs. amitom es calsaxad sisxlis samarTl is danaSau lia, Tumca roca sisxl is samarTlis pa suxism geblobis sakiTx i dadge ba, mxol od salia, an urTmeliZ e ar unda dais a jos. am telekompanias bevri codva aqvs qarTuli sazoga doebis winaSe Cade ni li, magram Tuki gvinda, saxelmwif o Se dges, is prokurorebi, mosamarT leebi da gamomZieblebi, romlebic revoluc iamdec iyvn en da dResac xelis uflebis davalebebs asruleben, cixeSi unda Cas xdnen. Tu isini cixeSi ar Casxdebia n, ki `Tu kanonmdeblobaSi iqneboda droebiTi mmarTvelis in stituti, iuristebi idavebdnen, sworia Tu ara kompaniaSi droebiTi mmarTvelis daniSvna, magram saqme isaa, rom saqa rTvelos kanonmdeblobaSi droebiTi mmarTvelis institu ti saerTod ar gvaqvs _ damoukidebeli saqarTvelos isto riaSi ar yofila SemTxveva, rom sasamarTlos romelime ko mpaniaSi droebiTi mmarTveli SeeSva. amitom, aq imaze ki araa saubari, rom droebiTi mmarTvelis daniSvna sworia Tu ara, aramed, imaze, rom amas saqarTvelos kanonmdebloba ar icnobs. es, daaxloebiT, imas niSnavs, saqarTvelos mTavr obam gamoacxados, rom niSnavs kldekaris erisTavs. amitom es calsaxad sisxlis samarTlis danaSaulia, Tumca roca si sxlis samarTlis pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxi dadgeba, mxol od salia, an urTmeliZe ar unda daisajos~. damakaves, Cemi dakavebis gadawyvetile ba miqautaZem gamoitana. ise, urTmeliZ ec saakaSvil is daniSnulia, anu is mosa marTleebi, romlebic `keTi lsindi sie rad~ emsaxurebodnen saakaSvi lis reJi ms, dRes am xelisuflebas emsaxu rebian. mimaCnia, rom yvela maTga nma kanonis wi naSe pasuxi unda agos. mosamarTle, ro melic gadawy ve tilebas kanonis a da ko nstituciis ugulebelyofiT iRebs, si sxlis samarTlis damnaSavea. amitom urTmeliZis adgi li cixe Sia da darwmu nebuli var, es dRe male dadge ba. _ iusticiis ministrma ganacxada, Tu gvaramia mosamarTl is gadawyvetileb as ar daemorCil eba, aRsrulebis proc esi daiw yebao. Tqven ki, droebiT i mmar Tve lis daniSvn as arakanoniers uwode bT... _ wulukianis gancxa de bebi or nawi lad davyoT: manamde, vidr e evro kavS i ri gancxadebas gaakeTebda da mas mere, roca saerTod gadamales. darwm unebu li var, male Tanamdebobidan misi gaTa vis uflebis sakiTx i dadg eba... _ ras elodebiT, ra moxde ba? _ moxde ba is, rac saakaSvi lis dros moxda. _ anu? _ xeli su fle ba izolac iaSia. arse b obs TviTgadarCen is da TviTgana dgure bis insti nq ti, romel ic adami an eb sa c aqvT da mTavrob ebs ac. dRevan del xeli sufl eba s swored TviTganad gur eb is instinq ti aqvs CarTuli. amas winaT, `pa tri ot Ta alians is~ lidereb s vusme nd i, romleb ic am xelisufl ebas sami welia, gulSema tki vrobe n da moka vSiree b i ar ian. maT gamo acxad es, rom SimS ilob is aqcias iwyeben. amas moxerx eba xom unda, aRarafe rs vamb ob kaxa kuka vaze, irakl i alasani as a da sxva opoziciur lidere b ze. `patriot Ta alians i~ xelisufl eb is winaaRm deg SimSilobas rom gamoac xad ebs, es imas niSnav s, rom amaTi saqme damT avre bul ia da cixeSi gaagrZ eleb en moR vaweo bas, magram gadasa wyveti ori saki Txia: erTia taqtikur i, rom yvela fer i es mSvidobiana d da Zaladob is gare Se moxdes. meore ki isaa, rom xelisuf leb is cvlileb is Sedegad, yovel Tvis uare ss viRe bdiT da imis gamo, rom es xelis ufl eba wavides, qveyan as saTav eSi viRac iseTi ar unda Caudges, romel ic sabol ood gaana dgureb s. amito m axla strategiuli amocanaa, Seiqmn as mesam e centri, rome lic gaem ij neb a rogor c `nacmo Zra obas~, ise _ `ocn eba s~ da romel ic SeZle bs, qveyni s marT va axali midgome biT gaagrZel os. esaubra naTia verZeuli 10 # 44 11-17 noemberi 2015 s q kbnthfnehf, (308) literatura, xelovneba, politika yovelkvireuli gazeTi, gamodis oTxSabaTobiT arT uli it yva `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ giorgi leoniZe samarTali usufaSvilis saxifaTo gancxadeba _ ra xdeba `ocnebaSi~ ,,rusTavi 2~-is saqmeze saqalaqo sasamarTlos mosamarTle Tamaz urTmeliZem gadawyvetileba telekompaniis yofili mflobelis, qibar xalvaSis sasargeblod gamoitana. urTmeliZis gadawyvetilebas telekompaniis xelmZRvaneloba ukanonod miiCnevs da ezoSi saprotesto aqciebs marTavs. advokati levan alafiSvili `feisbuqSi~ wers: ,,nebismier SemTxvevaSi, procesebi, rogori rTulic unda iyos, kanonis farglebSi unda warimarTos! konstitucia, Cveni ZiriTadi kanoni, ambobs, rom sasamarTlos aqtebi savaldebuloa yvela saxelmwifo organosa da pirisaTvis, qveynis mTel teritoriaze. amdenad, vidre ar Secvlila sasamarTlos gadawyvetileba Tu ganCineba, igi unda Sesruldes~. ,qarTuli sityva~ advokat levan alafiSvils esaubra. levan alafiSvili: `ori politikuri Zalis qiSpoba yvelaze metad xalxs daazianebs~ _ baton o leva n, ,,rusTavi 2~-Tan dak avSirebu l movle nebs mkacrad akritik eben arasamTa vr ob o orga niz acieb i. is ic iTqva, rom saqala qo sasama rTlos mi er gamotanili ganaCeniT, romliTa c ,,rusTavi 2~ yofili mewilis, qibar xal vaSis sarCeli dakm a yofilda, qveyana sa marTl ebr ivi sivrcidan gavi da... _ ,,rusTav i 2~-Tan dakavS ir eb iT, sas amarTl os ramdenime gadawyv et i leba aq vs miReb uli, magr am iuridiulad swori iqne ba, Tu vityviT, rom proces i mimdin areobs. daint er e seb ul mxareTa da po litiko sTa gadaWarbeb uli da `mondom ebuli~ simarTle politiku r qiSpo baSi gadav ida da kargi iyo, procesi am aspa rezze ar darCe niliyo. rac Seexeba sasamarTl os Sinaar sob liv gadawy vetileb as, rac CemT vis Zali an mniSvnel ovania, jerje r obiT ar yof ila da verc komenta rs gava ke Teb. pirve li instanc iis sasamarTl o gadawyve ti leba marTlmsajulebaSi wertili araa da gasaCivrebi s Semde g, sasama rTlo gan xilvebis grZeli gzaa gasavle li, anu am saqmez e sabol oo gadawyv eti le ba jer kidev win aris. sasamar Tlo procesebs moWar be buli inter pr et ac iebi da rea luri infor maciebis simwire, arasrul yofili informacieb is gavrcel eba ema teba da iseT i STabeWd ileba iqmneba, rom orive mxares, bevrma politiko sma simar Tle icis, rac arc sasamarTlo da rbazSi a miwodeb uli da arc sazogado ebisTvisaa cnobili. yvelafer i es sazo gadoeb is emociuri fonis amaRleb as iwvevs, rigi T moqal aqee b s iseT i STabeW dileba rCeba T, rom raRa c xelo vn uli TamaSeb i da konkre tuli politiku ri interesebi ikveTeba. am qiSpob aSi gamo kv eTi li ori poli tiku ri Zala _ yofili da amJamindeli xelisufle ba xalxis didi nawilisgan mxardaW er iT ver sarge blobs, amito m ar mgonia, rom es qiSpoba saxi faTo ten dencia d Camoyalibde s. _ simS vidis safuZv els mxolod es ga Zlev T? _ damSvi debi s saSuale bas isic maZl evs, rom sazoga doebriv stabilurobas, saxelm wif oe briobas safrTxe ar daem u qreba, Tumca aqve aRvn iSnav, rom ori po litiku ri Zalis qiSpoba yvelaze metad xalxs daazian eb s. amgvar dave bSi saxe l mwi fo CarTu lia Tu ara, meti pasuxisge bloba main c mmarTv el politi ku r Zal as ekisreb a da yvelgan asea _ qveyn is Sig niTa c da gareTac, anu qveynis SigniT, roca informacia ar mogvew odeb a da Tundac realo baze dama te biTi ganmar tebeb i ar keTdeba, amis gamo, yvelaze Zlieris mimar T eWvi Cndeba da es buneb rivia. aRaraf ers vambob qveyn is gareT gatanil amba vze, sadac arc Cveni real oba icia n, arc _ Cveni kanoneb i da, Sesab amisad, im infor ma cias xedaven, rac saj arodaa gasul i. sabolo o jamSi, yvela fer amas gamocdas vuwode b, romeli c mTelma sazog adoebam unda Caabaros. _ am gamo cd as rogor Cavab are bT? _ rogor da, _ unda davr CeT kanoni s fargl eb Si da rada c unda dagvijd es, 2016 wlis arCevnebze Rirseu la d mivi d eT. gaviaroT evroasocirebis gza da vi aliberal z izaciam de c mivaRw ioT. swo red esaa arCevnebiT xelis uflebi s Sec vli s erTade rT i gza. sasam ar Tlos ins tancie bi sasamar Tlo s Secdomebis gam osaswor eblad Tu gamosari cxad arseb obs. amitom, saWiro a sasamarT lo s ganr ideba polit ikuri Tu sxva gavle nebisg an, an mcdelob isgan. sasam arTlo xelis uflebi s is Stoa, romeli c poli tik uri araa da amave dros danar Ceni ori saxel isuflebo poli tikuri Stos (warm oma dgenlo biT-sakano nmde blo da aRmasru leb eli) makont ro lebel-gamawon aswo rebeli, Zalau flebiT aRWur vili inst itute bis gan moqala qeTa dacvis yvela ze mZlavri da neitr alur i kons tituc iuri garant ori, instru menti a. _ mosamarTle urTmeli Zis gada wy ve tileba, romliTac `rusTav i 2~-Si dro ebiTi mmarTvelebi dain iS nen, cnobi li RamiT gaxda. dameTanxmebiT, aravis dav iwye bia ,,naciona luri~ xelisuflebi s e.w. Ramis notariu sebi, qonebis gada fo rmebebi... _ am sakiTxze ori frazaa gans ax ilve li: `sasamarT lo m Rame miiRo gada wyve tileba~ da ,,sasam ar Tlom malulad mii Ro gadawy veti leba~. oriv e cal-calke ganvix il oT. pirv elad sityv a ,,Rame~ aSS elCis ga ncxa debaSi gaisma, ,,malu li~ ki, parlam entis Tavmjdo mari s, qveyn is meore pir is gancxade baS i gaJRerd a. es ori fraza dain teresebu lma pirebm a, rogorc qvey nis Signi T, aseve, qveyn is gareT, sazoga doebas konteqstid a n amoglejil ad mia wodes, arada, aSS elCma aqcenti ara sas amarTlos mier Rame miRebul gada wyve tilebaze gaakeTa, aramed, bolo Ramis ganmav lo baS i momxdar ambebTan daka vSi rebul gadaw yveti leb ebze msjel obda. is ar ambo bs, rom vinm em rame Ramis saaT ebSi gadaw yvita. lapar akia xuTi saaTis Semdgom miRebu l gada wyv etil ebebze, romelT a Sesax ebc inform acia saelCoe bs Ramis saaTebS i ver miewoda T. ise, mosamarT le s saqmis ganx ilvis ocdaoT xsaaT ian i vada hqond a, gada wy v eti leba c samuSao saaT ebSi miiRo da am nawilSi araferi daur Rvevia. _ parla menti s Tavmjdo mar is gancxa deba ganav rc eT... _ parlam enti s Tavmjdomar is ganc xa debaSi, rogorc aRvniSne, gamoyene buli iyo sityva _ ,,malu li~. SesaZl oa man, rogorc politi kosma kargad icis, Tu rogor miiqcios sazogad oebi s yura dR eba Tavis mier gakeTebul aqcenteb ze, Tumca qveyni s meore pirma, pirada d Cem Tvis, Zalz e samwuxaro da saxifa To ram ganac xad a... pirda pir Tu iribad aRia ra, rom sasam arT lo eb Tan mima rTeba Si, maT polit ikur neit rali te tTan dakav Sire biT, raRac karg ad ver aris da gaa grZela, rom ,,malu li gadawyvetileba~ realu rad, saxelmwifo ebriobi sTvisaa cudi, radgan es ar aris mxolod erTi saqme, anu mxolod sityvis Tavisu fleb is dacva, es aris qveynis, saxel wifosT v is damazian ebe li procesi da am mima rT ule biT nebi smieri mcdelo ba zians ayen ebs mTlianad sazogadoeba s da ara _ romelime konkre tul jgufs Tu mxares. _ gasakviria, rom aseTi tipis gancxa debas sakuTari xelisuf lebis wina aRm deg qveyn is meore piri akeT ebs. _ parla ment is Tavmjdomare m daskv n ebisTvis areali dagvito va, _ egeb, `ocnebis~ gundSi adgili dap iri spirebas aqvs? _ parla ment is Tavmjdomare xom Cve nze meta d inform irebulia. SesaZloa, misi gancxad ebis logika da arsi isaa, rom xelisuf lebis raRac jgufma, an ma sSi Semav al ma subieqte bma sasam arTlo sTan dakav Sir ebiT raRa c scada. ufro metic, koal icia Si Sema valma ,,respubl ikuri part iis~ lider ma da saparlam e nto warm om adg enleb mac gaakeT es gancx ade be bi, rom sasamarTlos gadawyveti lebas emijnebian. amiT ,,rusTavi 2~-is saqme wminda samarTlebrivi davis CarC oebid an gavida da politikuri davisa da qiSpobi s aspar ezad gadaiqc a, rac Se iZl eba, koalic iis SigniT SeuTanx me bl oba sTan iyos dakavSirebu li. esec saxi faTo da dasagmob ia, radgan politiku rad neitra lur instituciasa da demo krati is xaris xs zians ayeneb s, rac evro int egra ciis gzaze SeiZleba, Sema ferxe belic aRmoC nd es. _ xSirad ambob en, rom saqarTvelos konstit ucia s aupatiureb en. ,,rusTavi 2~-is SemTxvevaS i, qveynis upirvelesi ka non i ramde na da a daculi? _ uxerxul ia, roca vinme aseT gancxa debas akeTebs. marT ali a, konsti tuc iis `parlamentis Tavmjdomare xom Cvenze metad informire bulia. SesaZloa misi gancxadebis logika da arsi isaa, rom xelisuflebis raRac jgufma, an masSi Semavalma subieqteb ma sasamarTlosTan dakavSirebiT raRac scada. ufro metic, koaliciaSi Semavalma ,,respublikuri partiis~ liderma da saparlamento warmomadgenlebmac gaakeTes gancxadebebi, rom sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebas emijnebian. amiT ,,rusTa vi 2~-is saqme wminda samarTlebrivi davis CarCoebidan gavi da da politikuri davisa da qiSpobis asparezad gadaiqca, rac SeiZleba, koaliciis SigniT SeuTanxmeblobasTan iyos dakavSirebuli~. uxeSa d darR vev is SemTxvevebi gvqonia, magram politikoseb i Zalian frTxilad unda iyvnen sasama rTlo gadawyv et ileb asTan, romel ic gasaCivrebas eqvem deb a reb a da ar SeiZleb a, mas kanonsaw inaaRm dego uwodo, Tu mxare ar xar. xelisu f leba m kanondarRv evaze unda gaakeTos aqcen ti, magram Tuki vinme fiqro bs, rom sasama rTlom konstitucia gaaupatiu ra, arasworia. sakons tituc io sasamar Tlom sul sxva norma ze imsjela, ganCin eba ki, sxva norm is safuZvel ze miiRo. sakon stitucio sasamar Tlos kanoni ar daurRvev ia da yvelas movuw odeb, msga vsi terminebi sgan Tavi Seika vos, rogo ri rTuli emoc iuri foni da politiku ri inter esic unda hqondes. realurad, roca moqa laqe s sajar o pirisgan msgav si ram esmis, fiqro bs, Tu isini konstit ucias arRvev en, me ratom unda davjari mde sagzao wesebis darRvevisT vis? mo di, mec davarR vev o. saxelmw ifos yvela moqa laqe unda gaufrTxild es. _ rogor fiqro bT, xelisuf leba ,,rusTavi 2~-is sasamar Tlo procesebSi ereva? _ am procesiT Tu vinme unda dazara ldes, pirvel rigSi, xeli sufl ebaa. vam bob process da ara _ gadawyvet ileb as, radgan is jer ar arseb obs. aris Tu ara sasama rTlo procesze zegavlena, ver getyviT, amisTvis sakmari si informa cia unda mqondes. amis Sesax eb meti arafer i vici, garda parlam entis Tavmjdoma ris mier gake Tebuli gancxadebidan gaCeni li eWvisa. davrC eb i rigiT iuristad da moqa laqe d, miT umetes, im pirobe bSi, roca sasamarT lo gadawyvetileba araa miRebul i da kanoni er ZalaS i Sesuli. rogoric unda iyos sasamarT lo s gada wyvetileba, romelic gasasaCivreb elia, kano nier ZalaSi Sesvlis mere, Zalian mniSvnel ovani iqneba saku Trebi s ufle bis, samew arm eo sasama rTlo praqti kis, rac yvelaz e mTavar ia, samarT liano bis aRdgenis kont eqstSi. vime oreb, ,,rusT avi 2~-is saqm eze gadawyveti leb am SeiZ leba, gansaku Trebuli mniSv nel oba Sei Zinos. amas obaSi, saxel mwifo sagang eb od unda moemzados, rom prokurat uraSi Setanili aTi aTasobiT saqme sasamarT loske n gadaami sama rTos. Tu xeli sufl eba amisTvis mzad ar iqneba, SesaZl oa, saxelisuflo kola fsi miviRoT. _ saxelisufl o kolafsi, konkr etu lad, ra SemTxvevaSi SeiZle ba miviRoT? _ roca sasamarT lo fizikurad ver auva aTi aTasobiT mosarC el es da marT lmsaj ul eba SeiZleb a, seriozuli kiTx vis niSn is qveS dadges. es TavisTav ad gagrZeleba me- 11 gv. s 11-17 noemberi 2015 11 q kbnthfnehf, yovelkvireuli gazeTi, gamodis oTxSabaTobiT `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ arT # 44 (308) uli it yva giorgi leoniZe literatura, xelovneba, politika samarTali me-10 gverdidan gamoZie bi sTvi s, faruli sagamoZieb o moqme deb eb is Catarebisa da ganaCen ebis gamocxadebi sTvis xeli s SeSlas, admini straciul da samo qala qo saqmee bze gad awyveti lebebis miuReb lobas niSna vs. ase rom, win didi procedu reb ia. _ samauwyeblo komp an ia ,,rusTavi 2~Si, sasamarTlos wesiT, droeb iTi mmar Tvelebi dain iS nen. droeb iTi mmarTv e lobi s formas ,,sadav o instituti~ uw odes. Tqven ras fiqrobT? instituciu rad, aseTi mmarTve l oba cnobilia Tu ara? _ samarTl ebrivad, saki Txi aras wor adaa dayenebul i, mniSvnelo ba ar aqvs, manamde iyo Tu ara cnobili droebiTi mmarTv elo bis institu ti, radgan kano nma sasam arTlos saSualeba dautova, rom TviTon SearCios kanonisgan gansxv aveb uli, misi azriT, optimaluri Roni sZieb eb i. ,,instituti ar arsebobs da es kanons awi n aaRmdeg ea o~ _ araa swori da skvna. am kuTxiT sasamar Tlos saqmeSi nu Caverev iT, garda amis a, sasamarTlo s, mosam arTlis diskr ecia arsebobs. Sesa Zloa, raRac aSi Secda, sava raudod, am sakiTxis meti dasabuTe ba iyo saWi ro. rac Seexeba proces s, amav e sasama rT los agvis tod an gamoye nebuli hqond a uzrunv el yof is Ronis Zieb eb i, romliT ac erTi kont raqti c ver daideb oda verc erT partni orTan, rac daazianeb da kompani as da mewil ee bs. vfiqrob, aq damate bi Ti uzrunve l yo fis gamo yeneb a ar iyo saWir o, radg an sakm a od mZime uz runvelyofa iyo gamoyen eb uli. SesaZl oa, 6-7 Tvis Semdeg, ,,rusTavi 2~-s gakot rebis problem a daudg es. aseT situaci aSi mdgomareobis damZ imeb a saWiro da gonivrul i ar iyo, Tumca, arc esaa kano nTa n Seusabamo. _ sasamarTlo saqmis kursSi ar iyo, droeb iT mmarTv ele bad daniSnuli pir ovnebebi vin aria n an daicaven Tu ara telek omp aniis kritikul formats, ri Tic ,,rusTavi 2~ qarTu l tele sivrceS ia cnobili... _ sasama rTlom, marTlac, ar icoda droeb iT i mmarTve l eb is Sesaxeb, ramde nad sandoni iyvnen da miuke rZoebulni. Tuki sasamarTloze wile bze daido gan aCeni, ra SuaSia sainforma cio politi ka, samauwy eb lo bade?! swored amaze ak eTeben aqcents ucxo el eb i, rom sasamar Tlo realur ad saredaqcio politika Sic SeiWra. _ sazog adoebas bizn es men qibar xal vaSis ganc xadeb a sakma od ucnauri eCve na: `pirveli dRidanve ganva cxade, rom es ar aris Cemi brZola samar Tlianobis aRdgeni saTvi s. am SemTx ve v aSi, minda, sa `marTalia, konstituciis uxeSad darRvevis SemTxvevebi gvqonia, magram politikosebi Zalian frTxilad unda iyvnen sasamarTlo gadawyvetilebasTan, romelic gasaCivrebas eq vemdebareba da ar SeiZleba, mas kanonsawinaaRmdego uwodo, Tu mxare ar xar. xelisuflebam kanondarRvevaze unda gaak eTos aqcenti, magram Tuki vinme fiqrobs, rom sasamarTlom konstitucia gaaupatiura, arasworia. sakonstuticio sasam arTlom sul sxva normaze imsjela, ganCineba ki, sxva normis safuZvelze miiRo. sakonstitucio sasamarTlos kanoni ar daurRvevia da yvelas movuwodeb, msgavsi terminebisgan Ta vi Seikavos, rogori rTuli emociuri foni da politikuri interesic unda hqondes. realurad, roca moqalaqes sajaro pirisgan msgavsi ram esmis, fiqrobs, Tu isini konstitucias arRveven, me ratom unda davjarimde sagzao wesebis darRv evisTvis? modi, mec davarRvevo. saxelmwifos yvela moqala qe unda gaufrTxildes~. marTli ano ba aRdg es yvela adamia nisaT vis, romelic saakaS vil is reJimis dros dazara lda. es exeba ara marto `rusTa vi 2~-s, aram ed, yvela sxva pira d sakuT r ebas, romeli c daik ar ga da Camo arTves... Cveni brZolis pirv eli dRida n ganvacx adeT, rom Cveni kompan ia iqneba pari tet ul sawy isebze. es Cemi keTili nebaa. es sazog ad oebis interesebi da n gamomdin are gaviTval iswi ne, rom xalxs undo da samarTlian i yofil iyo. Tu sasam arTlo daad gens, rom `rusTavi 2~ me mekuTvnis, maSin daviT dvals da jarji aqimiZe s vu Tmob Cemi wili s naxevars~. _ qibar xalv aS is ganc xadeb a, marTl ac, ucnau ria _ tele kompaniis droebi T mmarTvelad pirov ne ba dain iSna, meor e dRes gamod ixar da ambo b, rom mas wilis naxe vars aZlev. amiT sasam ar Tlo s safu Zvels Tavad mosarCele qibar xalvaSi aclis?! sasamarT lo xom acxadebs, rom mxareebi damouk ide belni unda iyvnen da qonebri vi inte re si ar hqondeT?! _ Tu am sasam arTlo procesma amden i kiTxva datova, SesaZloa, rom ,,rusTavi 2~ momavali revol uciis `deda~ gaxdes? _ ara, 90-iane bs ar davu br undebi T, arc samoqala qo dapirispireb as movawy obT. poli tik osTa cvlileb ebis miux e dav ad, sazogado ebrivi procesebis wa rmmar Tveli amomrC ev el i unda iyos, ro melic saxelmwi fo priori tet eb s daina xavs, mxolod kanon is farglebSi sapro testo gamos vle biT unda mivitanoT sax elmwi foebr iob a 2016 wlamd e. ar maqvs molodi ni, rom Cvens saxel mwifoebr io bas safrT xe daemuqreb a, Tumc a Tvalna Telia, rom qveyana Si saxelmwifoeb rivi azrov ne bis a da kultu ris deficitia. _ telekom pani is xelmZ Rvanel oba sa `samwuxaroa, rom dedis Tema politikosebma saqilikod aq cies. konkretulad ki, mosamarTle Tamaz urTmeliZesTan mim arTebaSi, romelsac mZime ojaxuri tragedia aqvs gadatanili. iuridiulad, kanonebi _ samoqalaqo, saproceso da sisxlis sa marTlis kodeqsebi, sajaro samsaxurSi interesTa SeTavsebu lobisa da korufciis Sesaxeb kanonebi ganasxvavebs fizikur dedas ojaxis wevri dedisgan... kanoni ambobs, rom ojaxi adam ianTa is erTobaa, romelic fizikurad erTad cxovrobs. deda, romelic Svilis ojaxis miRma cxovrobs, am ojaxis wevrad ar moiazreba. mosamarTle urTmeliZem deda ki ar uaryo, aramed, aRniSna, rom deda calke cxovrobs, urTmeliZe da misi ojaxi dedisagan kanonma daacalkeva... parlamentis Tavmjdomare, premieri, prezidenti avseben qonebriv deklaracias, sadac mi uTiTeben, rom ojaxis wevrebi arian meuRle da Svilebi, mSob lebi calke cxovroben da amiT dedaze uars amboben? mosamar Tles gansxvavebuli araferi uTqvams. vinc aseT ,,sensaciebs~ avrcelebs, eTikac gaiTvaliswinos~. protes to aqciebs awyobs da acxadebs, rom droeb iT mmarTvel obas ar daemo r Cile ba... ezoSi karavic gaSa les. _ yovelg vari saprote sto gamosvla, rac kano ns daem orCileba, saxelmw ifos Tvis misaRebi a. kanonis darR vevaze ki, reagireb a unda moaxdinos, radgan saxe lmwifos umTavresi funqc ia kanoni s da cvaa. _ baton o levan, deda ojaxis wevria? _ Zalian samwuxaroa, rom dedis Tema politikosebm a saqilikod aqcies. konk ret ulad ki, mosam arTle Tama z urTme liZesTan mimarTebaS i, romel sac mZime ojaxuri tragedia aqvs gadatan ili. iu ridiula d, kanoneb i _ samoqa laqo, sapr oceso da sisx lis samar Tli s kodeqs ebi, sajaro sams axurSi inte res Ta SeTav se b ulobi sa da koru fciis Sesaxeb kano neb i ganasxvavebs fiziku r dedas ojaxis wev ri dedisgan. _ ra gaqvT mxedvelobaS i? _ kanoni ambobs, rom ojaxi adami anTa is erToba a, rome lic fiziku rad erTad cxovrobs, deda, romelic Svili s ojax is miRma cxovrobs, am ojax is wevra d ar moiazreb a. mosamar Tle urTme liZem de da ki ar uary o, aram ed, aRniSna, rom de da calke cxovrob s, urTmeliZe da misi ojaxi dedisag an kanonma daacalkev a. parlame ntis Tavmjdoma re, premi e ri, prezident i avseben qonebriv dekla racias, sadac miuTiTeb en, rom ojax is wevrebi arian meuRle da Svileb i, mSob lebi calke cxovroben da amiT dedaze uars ambo ben? mosama rTles gansxvav eb u li arafe ri uTqv ams. vinc aseT ,,sensaci ebs~ avrc el ebs, eTikac gaiTvali sw inos. gasagebia, rom mxarea, magram imaz ec xom unda davfiqrdeT, rom sasamar Tlo da mosam arTle marto gvar-saxeli araa, sa samar Tlo instituciaa, romel sac pat ivi unda vceT. sasama rTlos Secdome bic aqvs, magram gasaCivreb iT amis gamoswo reb ac SeiZleba. samarTleb riv saxelmw ifos saqm iani pasuxismg eblobis da kul turis adam ian ebi aaSene ben. _ ra Secdomeb s gulisxmobT? _ droebiTi mmarTvelo bis Semo Reb iT, gasaC ivrebi s uflebeb i SeizRu da, advokate bze gacemul i mindobilobeb ic gauqm da. _ ,,ocnebis~ xelisufleb a mosaxleob as samarTlianob is aRdgenas hpirdebo da. samwuxarod, danapirebis Sesrul eba ar moxda. amis uamr av mizez s asaxel eb en... _ cudia, rom xelisufleb isgan dRe mde ver vixile T xedva, Tu ras ukavS ire bs samarT lianob is aRdgenas. premi er ma irakli RaribaSvilma bolo samTavro bo sxdoma ze, qibar xalvaST an dakav Si r ebiT, metad samwuxaro ram aRiara. man Tqva, am kacma sami wlis ganma vlobaSi Cvens mTavro basTan samarTlianob a ver ipov ao. _ aseT SemTxvev aS i, Cveul ebrivi mok vdavi ra samarTals ipovis? _ qibar xalvaSi mTavroba m politde vnilad aRiar a, igi ,,ocnebis” mTavrob is mxardamW eria, qibar is da koali ciis we vri da parl ament aria da aseTma kacma, Turme, qveyana Si, sami wlis ganma vl oba Si, samarT al i ver ipova. _ saerTaSor iso sazogadoeba, part niori qveyn ebis elCebi, maRalCinosneb i mkacrad akri tikeb en Cvens sasa marTlo xelisufleb as. _ Cemi samSo blo Cemze metad vis uyv ars? namdvilad Zneli mosasme nia nebi sm ieri politiko sisTvis ucxoele bis kri tika, magra m isini msofli oSi ganviTar ebul i demo krat iul i qveynebi s warmom adgenleb i arian. modiT, am kritikas Se vxedoT, rogor c megobru l rCevas. Cven xom evroa socire bis xelSek ruleb as xe li movawereT, sadac weri a, rom sakuTr ebis ufleba daculi unda iyos. amis Se mdeg, Tuki iseT ganaCens miviRebT, rac sakuT re bis ufleb as eWvqv eS daayen ebs, ufro met kritikas davims ax ur ebT Cveni strategiul i partniorebisgan. esaubra naTia gogitiZe 12 # 44 11-17 noemberi 2015 s q kbnthfnehf, (308) literatura, xelovneba, politika yovelkvireuli gazeTi, gamodis oTxSabaTobiT arT uli it yva `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ giorgi leoniZe skandaluri saqme rogor igegmeboda `nacebis~ cixeebSi politikuri mkvlelobebi erTi kviris win, eqspert vaxtang maisaiasTan intervius Casawerad mivedi. moulodnelad, baton vaxtangs cixidan daurekes.... _ baro, vaxo, rogor xar? _ kargad. _ zaza var _ aaa...zaza, rogor xar? _ biWo, salaparako ar maqvs da mokled getyvi.: viRaca Semovida CemTan, gamomZiebeli.… _ samxaraZe xom ar Semovida, Sens saqmeze? _ ara... guSin filmi gavida `meore arxze~, imis gamo iyvnen. aqauri gamomZiebeli iyo, Cemi azriT... Seni saxeli mixsenes... roca vikiTxe, vin iyo zaza, batonma vaxtangma amixsna, rom zaza azariaSvili is adamiania, romelsac Tavis droze, cixeSi yofnisas, misi mokvla daavales. dRes ki, strasburgis sasamarTloSi erTaderTi mowmea, romelmac Cveneba ukve misca da es faqti daadastura. rogorc mogexsenebaT, vaxtang maisaiam strasburgis sasamarTloSi sarCeli didi xania, Seitana da male ganaCens elodeba. skandaluri foto, romelsac prokuratura strasburgis sasamarTlos umalavs `sakanSi rom davbrundi, vxedav, zaza azariaSvils ara adeqvaturi saxe aqvs... oganezovic nerviulobs. zazam moa swro, eTqva, cud raRacas gi pirebeno da kameridan cema-tye piT gaiyvanes _ rogorc Cans, Cveni saubari moismines. arada, vxedav, rom fexebidan sisxli sdis. rogorc aRmoCnda, roca saknidan gamiyvanes, oganezovi da lazariaSvilic ga uyva niaT. rogorc mere zazam miTxra, aiyvanes muxaZis kabinetSi, sadac sami ucnobi adamiani daxvdaT. muxaZem aiRo `Stiri~, misca azariaSvils da uTxra, maisaia unda moklao~. vin aris zaza azariaSvili es aris adamiani, romelsac didi kr iminaluri warsuli aqvs _ sasjels, sxvadasxva danaSaulisTvis, oTxgzis ixd ida. dRes ki, isev axali ganaCenis mol odinSia. amjerad 8 wliT Tavisufl ebis aRkveTa emuqreba _ arc meti, arc naklebi _ macivris qurdobisTvis. vaxtang maisaia: `_ cixidan gamosv lis mere, zaza jer mcxeTis policiam daakava da maSinac macivris qurdobas abralebdnen. wyneTSi, Tavze media da vayeneT da ukan daixies. gavida cota xa ni da isev macivris qurdobisTvis da akaves. radgan zaza azariaSvilis saqme Cems saqmesac ukavSirdeba, meSinia, mec `macivrebis biznesSi~ Tanamonawileoba ar damabralon da zazas gverdze ar aR movCnde. es arc gamikvirdeba~. yvelaferi ase daiwyo zaza azari aSvili vaxtang mais aia s sakanSi, gldanis cixeSi, 2010 wels, anu maSin Seasaxles, roca maisa iam da mel or vaCnaZ em SimS iloba daiwy es. rogo rc maisaia s miaCni a, es cixeSi pirv eli politik uri aqcia iyo, romelm ac reJi mi seriozu lad Searyi a _ maSin saakaSv ilis xelis uf leba iZul ebu li gaxda, moSimS ile politp atimre bis yvela mo Txovna Seesrulebin a: cixeSi daiwy es presis Setana, patim rebi s moTxovniTve, sapyrobil eSi saerT aSor i so organiza ciebis, maT Soris, wiTeli jvris warm omadgenlebi SeuSv es... mTavari moTxov na ki patimr ebi s wamebis Sewy veta iyo. SimSilob i s Sedegad, rogor c mais aia ambobs, gldani s cixeSi wameba mcire xn iT Sewyda. SimSil obis dawy ebi dan ramde ni m e dReSi, vaxtang maisaia s winaa Rmde g gan xorcie lda fizikur i zewol a _ aiZul ebdnen SimS ilob a Seewyvita. zovi zerekiZis gverdiTac fiqsi rdeba _ sakanSi, sadac zerekiZe gardaicvala, erTi TviT adre Seiyvanes, anu es adami ani emsaxureboda cixeebSi politikuri as ratom daemala? _ kiTx ulobs maisaia, mkvlelobebis ganxorcielebas~. _ amiT, praqtikulad, daada stura aza ra moxda im dRes riaSvilisa da uSiSroebis TanamSrom rogorc maisa ia ixse nebs, cixis same lebis Cvenebebi, romlebic amboben, rom dic ino perso nali yuradRe bas arc cem Cemi likvidacia, marTl ac, igegmeboda. is mere aqcevd a da arc _ SimSilobisas. mogvianebiT erTi aseTi provokacia erTaderTi, vinc masTan cemis meore dR me-17 dawese bulebaSic momiwyves: pati es Sesula da uTqvams, sakanSi videoTva marma aleqsandre Tede evma misca Cvene lia damontaJebuli da provokaciebs ba, rom masTan soso TofuriZe da megi s moerideo, lado bedukaZe yofila. am qardava Sevidnen da CemTvi s yavaSi sawa info rmaciam maisaia ramdenime provo k mlavis Cayr a daavales~. `_ ise mcemes, rom yvelas mkvdari ve gone, Tqves, `trupiao~ da zewari gada m afares. ver vxvdebi, rogor gadavr Ci. me samaga liT od damsa jes, melor vaCnaZ es ki, sakanS i cecxli gauC ines da Zlivs gadarCa~, _ ixsenebs eqsp ert i. mogvianebiT gairkva, mkvleloba ase moxdeboda: maisaias daaZinebdnen, azar iaS vili ki gulSi `Stirs~ Caartyavda, romelsac Semdeg, micvalebuls xelSi daaWerinebda. ase gaiTamaSe bdnen TviT mkvlelobis scenas, magram zazas uTqva ms, amas ver gavakeTebo. imis gamo, rom azariaSvilma maisaias mokvlaze uari ganacxada, jer scemes, frCxilebi daaZ res da rac mTava ria, morgSi Caiyv a nes da mTeli Rame micvalebulze borkile biT mibmuli hyavdaT, Turme. `zazas rom hkiTxoT, isev kargad axs ovs im micvalebulis `birka~ da piradi nomeri~, _ ambobs maisaia. sad aris oganezovi mas Semdeg, rac azariaSv ilma maisai as mokvlaze uari ganacxada da saknidan sawameblad gaiyvanes, oganezovi, kidev ori dRis ganmavlobaSi, masT an, sakanSi imyofeboda. savaraudod, axla mas unda moexdina maisaias likvidacia, Tumca bolo wuTs, rogorc Cans, raRac Seicv ala da, advokatis CareviT, maisaia sxva cixeSi gadaiyv anes. acia s, marTlac, gadaarCina. vaxtang maisaia: `_ erT dRes, sakanSi `korpusnoi~ Semovida da viTom samedi cino gamokvlevisTvis, samedici no oTa xSi gadamiyv anes. cixeSi didi raodeno biT specsamsaxuris TanamSromlebi iyv nen mobilizebulni da aman gamakvirva... oTxi saaTis ganmavlobaSi, wneva xuTj er gamizomes, aTjer _ sicxe, aTasn airi saWmel-sasm eli momarTves, `picac~ ki SeukveTes da yvelanairad cdilobdnen, samedicino oTaxSi didi xani gaveCereb ine~. ra xdeba am dros sakanSi `sakanSi rom davb rundi, vxedav, za za azariaSvils araadeqvaturi saxe aqvs, _ ixse nebs maisaia, _ oganezovic ne rviulobs. zazam moaswro, eTqva, cud raRacas gipirebeno da kameridan cematyepiT gaiyvanes _ rogorc Cans, Cveni saubari moismines. arada, vxedav, rom fexebidan sisx li sdis. rogorc aRmoCn da, roca saknidan gamiyv anes, oganezovi da lazariaSvilic gauyvaniaT. rogorc mere zazam miTxra, aiyva nes muxaZis kabi netSi, sadac sami ucnobi adamiani daxv daT. muxaZem aiRo `Stiri~, misca azari aSvils da uTxra, maisaia unda moklao~. am ambavs didi rezon ans i mohyva _ sa erTa Sor iso organ izaci ebma gamoZieba moiTxoves, dimi tri lorTqifaniZem ki, romelmac nacemi maisa ia moinaxula, pa rlamentS i cixeSi dawy ebul i SimSilo bis detalebze isaub ra da pati marT a moTxovne bic gaaJRera da, rogor c zem oT aRvniS neT, gldanis cixeSi, gark veu li perio dis ganmav lob aSi, wameba Sewy da. rogor gaeria `saqmeSi~ azariaSvili rogo rc mais ai a ambo bs, mixeil saaka Svilma misi likvidac iis brZaneba gas ca. kameraSi Seusa xle s sami patim ari, maT Soris zaza azari aSvili, romelic im droisTv is sasj els, recidiv istob is braldebiT, meoTxed ixdi da. meore `Sesaxlebuli~ levan oganezovi gaxld aT, rome lic rogorc mogvianebi T gair `roca oganezovi cixidan gamovid a, kva, mkvlelob is Tana or g ani zatori iyo da saqarTvelod an mas Semdeg gaiq prokurorma samxaraZem saxlSi miakiT xa. oganezovma, miuxedavad imisa, rom ca, rac azaria Svilma xeli daado. vaxtang maisaia: `_ mogvian ebiT gavi Sin iyo, kari ar gauRo. meore dRes ki ge, Cems likvidaci as ac ise apirebdnen, sazRv argareT gaiqca. Tu is marTali rogor c mamuka zere kiZe mokle s. ogane iyo da azariaSvili cruobda, gamoZieb ia namdvi lad igegmeboda. sasamarTlom misi Cveneba mtkicebulebad CaTv ala da saqmes daurTo. bunebriva d ibadeba Sek iTx va: axali xelisuflebis pirobebSi, vis awyobs azariaSvi lis gaCu meba, an ratom amjo binebs xelis ufleba iseTi adamianis sasjelaRsrulebis daweseb ulebaSi yofnas, romelic wamebis faqt is erT-erTi mowme da TviTo nac daza ra lebulia? an ratom aiZuleben azariaS vil s, uari Tqvas Tavis Cvenebaze? am Temebze vaxtang maisaias Tavi si foto, romelsac strasburgi iTxo mosazr eba aqvs: `_ roca zaza daiWires, vs rogorc Cans, maSinac iyvnen adamian amiT imis Tqma undodaT, rom is recidi tia da misi Cveneba ar SeiZleba, mtki ebi, romlebic keTilsindi sie rad asru vis alos. ai, saiT miyavT lebdnen TavianT mova leobas. am mxriv cebulebad CaiTv n zaza maTTv is arasasurve aRsaniSnavia gamomZiebeli zviad lasa saqme, radga riaSvili, romelmac cixe Si mxolod eq li mowmea. dRes is adamianebi, romleb a da mkvlelobis mcdelo b sperti ki ar Seiyvana, aramed, nacem mai ic Cemi cemis saias fotoebi gadauRo da yvela is sa is saqmeSi iyvn en gareulni, isev Tanamd b araerTx gamoZiebo moqmedeba Caatara, romelic ebobebze arian da amis Sesaxe i mis movaleobaSi Sedioda. dRemde am el miTq vams. am saqmesTan araferi kavS fotos Tbilisis prokuratura inaxavs, ri aqvs, magram roca nika gvaramia daki aze mihyavT da daTaSvi li da orjo gamoZiebis saqme ki dablokilia. rogo Txv ven, romlebic dRes kontr rc maisaia ambobs, gamoZieba miSasdroi nikiZe kiTxa ervaSi muSaoben, sasacilo ar ar ndelma porokuraturam daiwyo da Tbi dazv vs meores, arada, lisis prokuratura, samxa ra Zis meTau is? erTi jalaTi kiTxa robiT, romelic am saqmes iZiebs, dRem yvelani erTi seqtis warmomadgenlebi de blokavs, fotos, romelic nawameb arian~. P.S. sada caa, strasburgis sasamarT vaxtang maisaias gadauRes, dRemde uSe aias wamebis faqtz e gan degod iTxovs strasburgis sasamarT lo vaxtang mais lo _ Tbilisis proku ratura ar ugzav aCens gamoacxadebs. misi saqmis sami mTa nis. vari mowmida n erTi, aleqsandre Tedee vaxtang maisaia: `_ miuxeda vad imisa, vi sasje ls dResac ixdis, meore _ zaza rom saxalxo damcvelmac moiTx ova fo azariaSvi li ganaCens elodeba da sava to, romelzec me nawamebi var aRbeWdi raudo d, Tavisuflebas rva wliT aRuk li, gadaecaT, ar gadasces. es foto mec veTe n. mesame ki, gamoZiebas emaleba da maqvs nanaxi da Cems advokatsac. amdeni misi moZebniT Tavs aravin itkiebs. rog welia, am fotos amaod viTxo v. esec ja orc Cans, samarTaldamcavebisTv is `mT SuSobis saqmes xom ar ukavSi rde ba da avari~ im adamianebis kontrolia, rom saidumlo grifi xom ar adevs? Tqven wa lebic maT xelSi arian da amitom, yvel rmoidgineT, foto strasburgsac ar anair ad cdiloben, Cveneba rogorme Se gaugzavnes~. acvl evinon. gamomZie blis bolodroin deli vizit i azariaSvi lTan swored am vis awyobs azariaSvilis gaCumeba de bode s. yovel Sem zaza azariaSvilma strasburgi s sa saqmes unda ukavSir eva Si, ase fiqr obs vaxt ang maisaia. samarTlos Cveneba ukve misca da daada Txv stura, rom vaxtang maisaia s likvid ac naTia verZeuli s 11-17 noemberi 2015 13 q kbnthfnehf, yovelkvireuli gazeTi, gamodis oTxSabaTobiT `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ giorgi leoniZe arT # 44 (308) uli it yva literatura, xelovneba, politika sainformacio mxardaWera 1) samarTlis mimarTulebiT kriminalistikis (fotodaqtiloskopia) specialobaze mesame safexuri (winapiroba: sabazo ganaTlebis (9 klasi) atestati ), meoTxe safexuri (winapiroba: aRniSnuli programis mesame safexuris diplomi), mexuTe safexuri (winapiroba: aRniSnuli programis meoTxe safexuris diplomi an diplomis arqonis SemTxvevaSi studentis piradi baraTi). programis xangrZlivoba mesame safexurze _ 60 krediti (ori semestri), saswavlo da sawarmoo praqtikebiT; swavlis safasuri 1200 lari. programis xangrZlivoba meoTxe safexurze _ 60 krediti (ori semestri), saswavlo da sawarmoo praqtikebiT; swavlis safasuri 1500 lari. programis xangrZlivoba mexuTe safexurze _ 60 krediti (ori semestri), saswavlo da sawarmoo praq tikebiT; swavlis safasuri 1500 lari. kursdamTavrebuls eniWeba kriminalistis Sesabamisad mesame, meoTxe da mexuTe safexuris profesiuli kvalifikacia. 2) mcire biznesis mwarmoeblis specialobis meoTxe (winapiroba: saSualo ganaTlebis damadasturebeli atestati) da mexuTe safexurze (winapiroba: aRniSnuli programis meoTxe safexuris diplomi an diplomis arqonis SemTxvevaSi studentis piradi baraTi). programis xangrZlivoba meoTxe safex urze 60 krediti (ori semestri); swavlis safasuri 1500 lari. programis xangrZlivoba mexuTe safexurze _ 120 krediti (oTxi semestri); swavlis safasuri 1500 lari (wliuri). kursdamTavrebuls eniWeba mcire biznesis mwarmoeblis Sesabamisad meoTxe da mexuTe safexuris profesiuli kvalifikacia. sabuTebi miiReba 1 agvistodan 25 seqtembramde. swavla daiwyeba 28 seqtembers. sabuTebis nusxa: skolis atestati, vaJebisaTvis samxedro aRricxvis baraTi, 2 foto suraTi (3X4), dabadebis mowmoba, gancxadeba. survilis SemTxvevaSi gadaxdis grafiki Sedgeba individualurad studentis interesebidan gamomdinare. misamarTi: Tbilisi, ninoSvilis q. 55 tel.: 2960104 [email protected] `Tbilisis saswavlo universiteti~ acxadebs studentTa miRebas profesiuli programebis fakultetze: 14 # 44 11-17 noemberi 2015 s q kbnthfnehf, (308) literatura, xelovneba, politika yovelkvireuli gazeTi, gamodis oTxSabaTobiT arT uli it yva `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ giorgi leoniZe pozicia `xalxs ajereben, ruseTi mwvanilsa da Rvinos Segvataninebs, gavmdidrdebiTo...~ vin aSenebda da vin angrevs Tanamedrove qarTul saxelmwifos, rogor SeuTavsebs erTmaneTs xelisufleba ,,axali abreSumis gzis~ proeqtsa da saqarTveloSi ,,gazpromis~ Semosvlas, vin uwoda Cvens qveyanas ,,patara sofeli~ da ra geopolitikuri mdebareoba aqvT saqarTvelo-ukrainas? _ am da sxva sakiTxebze ,,qarTuli sityva~ `harmoniuli globalizaciis da marTvis institutis~ damfuZnebel Teimuraz zaqraZesa da moZraoba ,,lazares~ damfuZnebel joni kvaracxelias esaubra. `vinc ambobs, ,,gazpromi~ saqarTvelos energetikas sWirdebao, viRacis dakveTas asrulebs!~ _ joni, saqarT velo dan emigra ciaS i wamsvlelTa da wasv lis msurvelTa ri cxvma imata. vici, rom ramde nime wlis win moskovidan dabru nd iT. ras etyod iT Tundac maT, visa c Tvali ruse Tisk en uWiravT? joni: _ moskovSi afxazeTis oms gave qeci _ oCamC ir edan Tavi ruseTSi amovy avi. maSi n sxva gza ar mqonda. vmuSa obdi, vcxovrobdi. vcdilobd i, qarTveli axa lgazrdebi Semekrib a, organizac ia ,,lazare~ iq daiba da. qarTveli ruseT Si ufro metad ganic dis gadagvare bas, vidre _ sxva qveya na Si, mesam e Taobis qa rTveli ukve qarTveli veRar aa... samSo bloS i davbrun d i da isev axalgazrd eb Tan vmuSao b. aq sxva problemebi a. _ Cven vlapara kobT ruse Tze, rome lic qarTv eli emigra nte bis xarjze, aq myofi qarTvelobis nawi ls kveba vs... joni: _ riTi? _ fuliT: statist ik uri mona cemeb iT ruseTi dan gzavnilebis saxiT yvela ze meti fuli Semod is. joni: _ gasagebia, magra m mxolo d im isTv is ar muSaob, rom fuli iSovo, ar amed, imis Tvis, rom jer saqme akeTo da mere fuli iSov o. Teimu razi: _ ratom mxolod ruse Ti? fuli sxvagan ac iSoveba, magaliT ad, evropaSi qalebi ufro lamazebi ar ian, vidre _ ruseTSi, magram qarT vele bs am qalebis ac eSin ia T da evro paSi bi zne sis keTebisac, es xumro biT, rasakvi rvelia. ori saukun e ruseTis qveS gaerT ian ebuli qveya na viya viT da ra gasakviri a, rom ruseTi dan didi fuli modi s?! ax la sakiTxi ase dgas: ruseTs unda movwy deT, civil ize bu l msoflios Seve rioT da bevrad ufro didi fuli viSovo T. martiv kiTxvas davsvam: ra brendi aqvT rusul oliga rqebs iseTi, rac msofli oSi iyideba? joni: _ rusul orbita s aucilebl ad unda movwydeT da mxolod imit om ki ara, rom odesRac misi nawi li viyaviT. marTa lia, Cveni dedikoebi da mamikoebi im samyaro dan modian, iq Tavs karg ad grZnobdne n, magra m is dro wavida, Cven konkurent unariani garemo unda Sevq mn aT da amaSi xels, pirvel rigSi, rusu li orbita gviSli s. saqarT velos mTav roba ki qveyanaSi rusu li kapit alis Semot anas cdilob s. Teimu razi: _ roca kapital is dagr ovebis mizani mogeba a, is kapit ali amo raluri da uzneoa. Tana medr ove civi lize bu l msoflioS i mogeba amoca naa, mizani ki, _ maRali xaris xis konk ure n tuna riani produqti s Seqmna. joni: _ sabWoTa, anu rusi biznesm eni mxolo d imaze fiqrob s, Tu rogor moi tyuos. arada, biznesi Semoqm ede biTi wva, dauRleli Sroma, kompan iebSi mom uSave adam ia nebze zrunva da sxva uamra vi faqt oria, riTic konkure nc ias unda gauZl os. _ saqa rTv eloSi Tana medr o ve bizne sis niSnebi arsebob s? Teimu razi: _ radgan aq vsxedvar T da amaze vsaubrobT, e.i. arse bobs. _ gasage bia, rusul orbit as unda movwydeT, rom axali biznesgare mo da Teoriebi SevqmnaT, magra m politi ka da ekon omi ka erTmane TSia gadax larTuli. modiT, qveyni s sagare o veqt or ze gadav ideT. joni: _ oo, es mTavro ba sagar e o veq torSi Zalian cuda d aris. aqvs ki saga reo veqt or i? Teimurazi: _ biZina ivaniSvilma qar Tul politikaSi fexis SemodgmisT ana ve, pirvelive preskonferenciaze gana cxada, saqarTvelo patara sofelia da didi politikuri moTamaSe ver iqneb ao. es iseTive katast rofulia, rogo rc is ambavi, ori saukunis ganmavl oba Si, qarTvelebs qveyn is mmarTve lebma rom Caagones, patara ers patroni sWir debao. dRemde qarTveli eri dabeCa veb ulia, nebisyo fa dakarguli aqvs da mia Cnia, rom patronis gareSe ver iarse be bs. _ dRes patroni gvyavs? Teimurazi: _ ara da arc gvWirdeba. Cven strategiuli partniori gvyavs RaribaSvili premier-ministrad sami Tvis daniSnuli gaxl daT, roca aSS-Si vizitis dros, jon qerim da barak obam am uTxres, saqarTvelo regionaluri lideri da ,,abreSumis gzis~ qveya naao. warmogidgeniaT, ra dReSia RaribaSvi li? vis daujeros _ adamians, romlis azric misT vis Zvirfasi a Tu strategi ul partniors? _ ise, axlaxan `axali abreSumis gzis~ forumi Catarda... Teimurazi: _ ki, Catarda da ismis Se kiTxva: risTvis? ramdenadaa mTavr oba ,,abreSumis gzisT vis~ mzad, roca vicepremierma kalaZem ganacxada, rom dekem bra mde qarTul energetikul bazarze ,,gazpromi~ Semova. _ ekonomikis eqsp ertebs vesaubre, romlebmac Tqves, rom ,,gazpromi~ erTerTi momwodebeli iqneba, Tumca mere, azerbaijanulma mxaremac ganacxa da, rom SeuZlia, qarTuli mxaris moTxovn ileb a srulad daakmayo filos... Teimuarzi: _ vinc ambobs, ,,gazpr o mi~ saqarTvelos energetikas sWirdeb ao, viRacis dakveTas asrulebs. ,,gazpr omi~ kremlis politikuri inst rument ia, romliTac is ama Tu im regionSi Tav is yofnas afiqsirebs da riTi c dasavl eTs mesijs ugzavnis: `me saqarTveloSi var!~ saqarTveloSi SemosvliT kremli, Savi zRvidan baltiis zRvamde, aRmosa vleT veropas blokavs da igive iTqmis ,,rosneftis~ Semosvlazec. _ dasa vleTi ki mxolod ,,SeSfoTe b iT~ pasu xobs... Teimurazi: _ ratom ,,SeSfoTebiT~? ruseTs dasavleTisgan ekonomikuri sa nqciebi aqvs dawesebuli. _ mainc, ra saSiSroeba emuqreba saqa rTvelos ,,gazpromis~ SemosvliT? joni: – imedi maqvs, es ar moxdeba, magram gvaxsovs, roca gazs ruseTidan viRe bdiT, darialis xeobaSi milsa den ebi rogor feTqdeboda da mosaxleoba siciveSi rCeboda. _ wina xelisuflebas xSirad axseneb en ruseTze miyidul strategiul obie qtebs. Teimurazi: _ naTia, Zalian kargi Se kiTxvaa... wina xelisuflebis dros saqa rTveloSi, investorebTan mimarTebaSi, msoflio savaWro organizaciis wesebi moqmedebda, romlis Tanaxmadac, invest ori politikas axlosa c ver miekarebo da, winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, uzarmaza ri jarima dauwesdeboda da biznesic gaukotrdeboda. msoflio savaWro organizaciis 150 wevri qveyana saerTaSoriso subie qtia, romelsac aseT SemTxv evaSi wminda ekon omikuri sanqciebi aqvs dawese buli. Cven am organizaciaSi ruseTis gawevri ane bas xma miveciT da es unda gagvekeTe bina. Tuki romelime qveynis invest ori ekonomikas politiku ri mizniT gamoiy enebs, 149 qveya na iseT pirobebs wauyene bs, rom gakotrdeba. Sesabamisad, amas aravin gaakeTebs, Tumca dRes saqarTve lo am formatis gareTaa. _ formatis gareT rogor aRmovC n d iT? Teimurazi: _ axalma xelisuflebam, mosv lisTanave, abaSiZe-karasinis Sexve drebis ekonomikuri urTie rTobebis formati daawesa, riTi c msoflio sava Wro organizaci is gverdis avliT, rus eT-saqarTvelos Soris gansakuTrebu li individualuri urTie rTo bebi dam yarda. _ es ras niSnavs? Teimurazi: _ martiv ad vityvi: Tu rusu l bazarze, magaliT ad, falsific irebuli Rvino gaiyideba, amis gamo qa rTuli mxare ruseTs pretenzias ar wa uyenebs da, jarimis gada xd is nacvlad, Cven mwvanilis gayidvi s ufleba gveZle va. sxvaTa Soris, mwvanili evropuli standartebis mixedviT ar iqneba Sefu Tuli. Cveni brendebis dacvis valde bu leba aravi s aqvs. am gansakuTr ebuli formatis gamo, rusul kapi tals xelfexi gaexsna da is qarTul polit ikaSic monawileobs. erTxel, rusuli mxariT ukmayofilo abaSi Zes wamoscda, maSin savaWro organizaciis wesebiT vivaWre bTo, anu ruse Tma msoflio sava Wr o or ganizaciis wesebiT moqmede ba ar moind oma da axla mwvanilis Setanaze uars ar ambobs. qarTuli ekonomik a mwvanilSi gaiyi da da axla, ,,gazp romis~ Semosvl iT, saxelmwifo iyideba. ruseTi yvela fer amiT dasavleTisgan gvriyavs! joni: _ saqarTve lo-ruseTs Soris TamaSi rusuli wese biT iwyeba, rac sax elmwifos interesebs ewinaaRmdege ba. Teimurazi: _ kremls geopolitikur dafaze qarTuli saxelmwifos potenci ali kargad esmis, amit omaa, erTi s mx riv, saqarTvelos da, meores mxriv, uk rainas CabRauWebuli. evropa-aziis da makavSirebeli gza yirim-kavkasiaze ga dis. Sesabamisad, ruseTs swored es te ritoriebi aqvs dakave buli. metic, ru seTma afxazeTis damoukideblobis aRi arebiT saqarTv elos teritoriu li mTlianoba aRiara. soWis gareSe afxa z eTis aRiarebiT ki, soWis flobis ufle basac dakargavs. fsoudan yirimamd e teritoria ode sRa c qarTuli samflobelo iyo da mas jiqe Ti erqva. ,,axali abreSumis gzis~ koncefciis Tanaxmad, savaWro gzis mTa vari qveynebi swore d saqarTv elo da ukraina arian. _ gamodis, rom ,,ocneba~ `nacmoZrao baze~ aranakleb saxelmwif oebriva d az rovnebs, radgan es forumi saqarTve l oSi Catarda... Teimurazi: _ forumi, Tavisi mniSvn elobiT, fase ulia magr am xelisufleb aa arafase ulia, radga n ,,gazpr omTa n~ xelSekrulebis dadebiT ormag TamaSs TamaSobs. _ Cveni jarebi avRaneTs a da eraySi a, anu saerTa Soris o misiebSi viRebT mon awileobas da xelisuflebas mainc rus eTis TamaSis TamaSs ratom abra lebT? Teim urazi: _ Cven vakritikebT xeli suflebas, romelic ki ar TamaSobs, ar amed, aTamaSeben. _ zogi Tvlis, rom wina xelisufleb asac aTamaSebdn en... Teim urazi: _ ara, aravi Tar SemTx ve vaSi! mixe il saakaSvi lma ,,abreSumis gzis~ simbolod quTaisis parlamenti aaSena _ naxava rsferoze gadafarebuli gza, anu es simbolo metalsa da betonSi ganaxorcie la. is msoflio birJaze saq arTve los fasebs maRla swevda, axali xelis ufleba ki, dabla daweva ze iRwv is. _ sxvaTa Soris, es is xelisuflebaa, romelmac saakaSv ili arCevnebSi daama rcxa. joni: _ saakaSvi lis xelisufleba arCevnebSi imitom damarcxd a, rom saz ogadoeba ver gaizarda. ar daijera, rom ivaniSvi lis mier xelisuflebaSi moyva nili gundi saxe lmwi fos interes ebs ver daicavs. Teim urazi: _ ,,nacionalurma moZra obam~ makiave lis Teza Seasrula, rac saxe lmwifo interesebis uzenaesobas gulisxmobs. demokratiis gareSec ars ebobdn en qveynebi, magr am Tanamedrove msoflioSi warmatebuli rom iyo, auc ilebelia, demokratiu li princip ebiT xelmZRvanelobde. ,,nacionalebs~ miza ni hqondaT da es saxelmwifos aSeneba iyo, reformatorebis bedi aseTia: ref ormebi unda gaakeTo da waxvi de. _ rodis unda wasuliyo saakaSvil i? Teim urazi: _ Tavi s droze wavi da. _ saakaSvilis reformebi qveyanas me tad Zviri daujd a _ 400 aTasi patim ari da probacio neri gvyavda. Teim urazi: _ oficialuri monaceme biT, 400 aTasi ki ara, 128 aTasi patimari iyo. saqarTv eloSi 12 wlis bavS vic `ka nonie r qurdo baze~ ocnebobda. mTeli eri qurdobaze iyo gadasuli. _ amiT amarTlebT saakaSvil is mowo debas _ ,,nulovani tolerantoba, yvel ani cixeSio~? Teim urazi: _ cocxebis ambavi? _ cocxs moveSva T. Teim urazi: _ ara, ratom move SvaT. _ imitom, rom saakaSvil is dros, ci xeSi, adamia nis uflebebis darRvevis sxva uamravi formac dafiq sird a... Teim urazi: _ adamianis uflebebis darRveva yvela qveyanaSi, yvela droSi xdeba da es problema msoflioSi aRia rebul demokratiul qveynebsac awuxe bT, magr am saqme isaa, rom swored cixee bSi dadg muli kadrebis meSve obiT moax gagrZeleba me-15 gv. s 11-17 noemberi 2015 15 q kbnthfnehf, yovelkvireuli gazeTi, gamodis oTxSabaTobiT `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ arT # 44 (308) uli it yva giorgi leoniZe literatura, xelovneba, politika pozicia me-14 gverdidan dine s qarTuli saxelmwi fos diskre di tacia. _ asi aTaso biT patimri s ukan ojax is wevrebi, nacno b-megobr ebi, advok atebi, anu uzarm az ar i masa idga, vinc wamebi s Sesaxeb iyo info rmirebu li. reform ir ebu l, lamazad SeRebil gldani s cixeSi adamia nebs awame bdn en da es siste muri danaSauli saak aSvilmac aRiara! Teimur azi: _ mrwamsi T libe rali, yovelgvari Zaladobi s kategori uli wina aRmdegi var, magra m es saxelmwifos Sene ba s sWirdebod a. marTalia, 1991 wels, gana cxadi damou kideblob aze ga vakeTeT, magram saxelmwifo institut ebi s Camoy alib e ba mxolod reformato rebis damsa xur ebaa. ,,nacion alur ma mo Zraob am~ Tavis i saqme gaakeTa _ mtkivn e ulad imSobia ra da Tanam edro ve stil is saxelmwif o Seqmna, romelic swori ganviTa rebis gziT, evro pisa da msofl ios stand artebs morg ebu li iqneba. Se Zlebs Tu ara yofili mmarTveli Zala opozic ion e robas, es sxva Temaa. samwux arod, mmarT velobi s balansi darRv eu lia, gvaqvs saxelm wifoebri vi da antis axelm wif oe brivi mimarTul eba. _ vin aris saxelmwifoebr i vi Zala? Teimur azi: _ vinc saxelm wif o Seqmna _ saparlame nto umcire so ba, anu `naci onaluri moZr ao ba~. antisaxelmwi foe briv i ki, _ demo kratias amofarebuli politelita. _ bolo dros, ukrai nu li ,,vikili qs is~ mier gavrcelebu li Canawerebi T, mi xeil saak aSvili Tana moa zre ebs demok ratiis iaraRiT dacvisk en mouwode bs... joni: _ mimaCnia, rom demokra tia ne bismie ri gziT unda davicv aT. Teimur azi: _ saakaSvil i mouwod ebs, magr am Tu iciT, vin gaisv ri s? ar vizia reb pozic ias, rom barikadebi moawy on, magr am xelisufle ba gaisv ri s. _ gasrola ra SuaS ia, roca ,,rusTa vi 2~-is sakiTx i samarT lebr ivad wyde ba? Teimur azi: _ ,,rusTavi 2~-is sakiTxi samarTlebriv ad ar wydeba. sasa marTl os safu Zveli ar aqvs, televizia qiba r xalvaSs gada sces. manamde mas sxva mflo belebi c hyavda. _ ise, qibar xalvaS i ,,nacmoZra obis~ karze gamoz rdili biznesm eni a... Teimur azi: _ ,,rusTav i 2~-is kapita li gacilebi T metia, vidr e xalva Sis mmarTvelobi s dros flobda. xalva Ss mada gaezar da, mas xelisu fleba ,,kriS avs~, rom kanonier mflobels biznesi `aaxio s~. _ visia `ruTavi 2~? Teimur azi: _ Zmebi yaram anaS vile b is. _ aba, saakaSvili ase ratom aqtiur obs? Teimur azi: _ imitom, rom erTader Ti opozi ciu ri arxia, romelic simarT les ambobs. _ vTqvaT, asea, magram saakaS vili saq arTveloSi aRar moRvaweob s... joni: _ guli Sest kiv a... ra, yvela f rid an movkveTo T es kaci? _ telekom paniac ar malavs, rom ,,na ciona lebis~ interese bs atare bs... Teimur azi: _ mediis Tavis uf leba ze ,,ocnebis~ saubari zRapar ia. sinamdv i leSi, media Tavisu fal i araa. ,,rusTav i 2~ rom `naciona lebis~ pozici ebs aJRe rebs, es demo kra tiis nawilia da amisT vis, ufleba aravis aqvs, arxi vinm es waa rTv as, an daxuro s. _ vin xurav s? Teimur azi: _ realur mepatro ne s arTmeven. _ biznesis `axeva~ `naci on alebis~ mo gonilia da es vis ukvirs? Teimur azi: _ me mikvirs. _ `naciona lebis~ mmarTvelob is wlebSic gikvir daT? Teimur azi: _ saqarT veloSi 2008 wels Camo vedi. _ maSin ar Seswrebi xar T, Tu rogor daarbie s 7 noemb ris mitingi, rogor ai Res SturmiT telekompania `imedi~... joni: _ darRvevebi iyo, magra m es im as xom ar niSnavs, rom igive unda ganmeo rde s? sakmarisi Sedegic hqonda 7 noem bri sa da 26 maisis darbeve bs. saqarTve loSi nato-s samiti ar Catarda. rac Seexeba 26 maisis movlenebs, maSin namdv ilad gadavrCiT `ge-re-u~-s specr azmeb is SemoWras. am areulobis organizebas nino burjanaZe akeTebda. _ axla ki, areulobis mowyo bas xels saakaSvili uwyo bs, roca telekompani is xelmZRvanelobas barikadebisken mo uwodebs. Teimurazi: _ zemoxsenebuli orive aqci a dasaSleli iyo, is ki, vinc dRes `rusT avi 2~-is sxvisT vis gadace mas api rebs, Tavisufal sityvas ebrZvis! ar Se iZleba am movlenebis erTmaneTTan gaTa nab reba. is, visac unda, saqarTvelo `erT soflad~ datovos, saxelmwifoeb rio bas spobs. madloba RmerTs, rom prezidents ver akontroleben. giorgi margvelaSvili saqarTvelos konst it uciasa a CaWidebuli, icavs da amaze kargs verafers gaakeTebs. margv elaSvi li ufro mimaCnia qveyn is samsaxurSi, vidre biZina ivaniSvilis mier moyv a ni li mTavroba, romelic uxeSad arRvevs konstitucias da prezidents ar emorC ileb a. _ es politikuri ukulturobaa? joni: _ es ukulturoba ki ara, kons tituciis darRveva da danaSaulia. _ adamianis wamebis da Rirsebis Sem laxavi kadrebis gavrce lebis Semdeg, `nacionalebis~ erT-erTma liderma gan acx ada: `es sasircxvilo warsulia, ro melsac gamoZiebiT unda davusvaT wer tili, davamTavroT da warsulSi davt ovoT~, anu danaSauls aRiareben, magram damnaSaveni ar unda daisajon? joni: _ gamoiZion mere, ras elodeb ian? warsulic gamoiZion da maT xelSi momxdari danaSaulebic. maga liTad, ba rbare rafalianci s, erosi kiwmariSvi lis da sxvaTa mkvlelobebi. ra `nacion alebis~ bralia, Tu saqm eebs ver iZieb en? _ amis uamravi mizezi arse bobs _ rogorc uflebadamcv elebi amboben sa botaJi Tu mtkice bulebebis arqo na gam oZiebebs arTulebs. yvelafer amas siZu lvilis enac erTvis, roca orive mxare erTmaneTis mimarT braldebebs ar iSu rebs. Teimurazi: _ petre bagrationic qa rTveli iyo da sergo orjonikiZec, mag ram arc erTi iyo suliT qarTveli da orive saqarTvelos ki ara, imperias ems axureboda. Cveni saxelmwifos arse boba ruseTis imperiis sikvdils niSnavs. qa rTuli saxelmwifosa da sabWoeTis moq alaqe sxvadasx va mcnebaa. sabWoeTid an gamosu li Cveni bevri moqalaqe, isev sa bWoTa, momakvdavi imperiis moqalaqed darCa! _ avi enebi bevrs lapa rakoben, rom mixeil saakaSvili da biZamisi, Temur alasa nia im momakvd avi imperiis specs a msaxurebis samsa xurSi arian. Teimurazi: _ erTxel, Cemze Wori ga vige, Turme, giJi vyofilvar. _ ise, saakaSvilzec amboben, giJi ao... Teimurazi: _ Cven, yvelani, vinc saqm es vakeTebT, cotaTi giJe bi, ufro swo rad, Serekilebi varT! viRaca viRa cas Tan iyo _ es istoriaa, mTava ria dRes vin ras akeTebs. _ Temur alasa niasa da mixeil saakaS vilze amboben, rom iaraRiT ukanono vaWrobaSi arian CarTulni... 2008 wels, saqarTvelo-ruseTis omSi, qarTuli armia saTanadod SeiaraRebuli ar aRm oCnda. arada, Tavdacvis biujeti sakma od solidurad gamoiyureboda, yovel SemTxvevaSi, ase vicodiT. Teimurazi: _ qarTuli armia am omSi SemTxveviT aRmoCnda, am oms aravi n el oda da arc emzadeboda. es omi geopol itikurad ganwiruli iyo... maSin ruse Tma Tavisi pozicia daafiqs ira: 2008 wels, map-i unda migveRo, magram agvist os omis gamo, nato iZulebuli gaxda, ruseTis interese bi gaeTvaliswinebina. _ omi wavageT da dedaqalaqSi taSfanduri gavmarTeT. _ Cven es omi, geopolitikurad, mar Tla movigeT! rusTave lze xuTi qveynis _ litvis, latviis, estoneTis, ukraini sa da poloneTis mmarTv elebi idgn en. es aRmosavleTis blokis qveynebia, romel Ta kavSiris aRdgena maSin daiwy o da dRemde grZeldeba. _ axlaxans, rogorc vici, kievS i Sex vedrebs eswrebodiT. rogo ria iqauri xelisuflebis ganwyoba saqarTve los mimarT? joni: _ kievSi axali partia _ ,,gaer Tianeba reformebisaTv is~ dafuZnda, romlis prezentaciaze migv iwv ie s, ro gorc gamocdili reformatori qveynis eqspertebi. ukrainelebi axla im gzas gadian, rac Cven gaviareT. _ ukraina `nacionalebis~ forpo sti gaxda. Teimurazi: _ ukraina `nacio naleb is~ ki ara, saqarTve los forpostia. Cven ukrainasTan sazR va ri gvqonda, mag ram roca ekaterinem iq novo rosiiski aaSena, sazRvari ruseTTa n gavida. saqa rTvelo nikofsiidan darubandamde iyo gadaWimuli, dRes nikofsia s tuaf se hqvia da ruseTs ekuTv nis. saqarTv e lo am gziT evropaSi pirda pir gadio da, swored es Zveli ganlageba unda da brundes, ,,abreSumis gzac~ ase gava. joni: _ ruse Ts welSi gamarTu li sa qarTvelo ar sWirdeba, miza nm im arTu lad mimdinareobs stagn aciis polit i ka yvela sferoSi. xalxs ajereben, evr opa arafers gvikeTebs da ager, ruseTi mwvanilsa da Rvinos Segva taninebs, gav mdidrdebiTo. vidre qarTv elebi iq Rvinos Seitanen, ramde nime vagoni fal sificirebuli sasm eli gamzadebuli iq neba da amas veravi n gaakontrolebs. sanimuSo policia gvyavd a, magr am ax la misi disk reditacia mimdi nareobs. cdiloben sazogadoeba da policia er TmaneTisg an gaxliCon. adre xalxs pol iciis SiSi da ridi hqonda. _ eSinoda _ miSas dros, policia na rkotiks ise Cagidebda, verc gaige bdi. joni: _ msgavsi ram gana, axla ar xde ba? _ rame SegemTxvaT? getyobaT, poli ciaze nawyeni xarT... _ amas winaT, Cvenma moZraobam `afxa zTa kreba~, qalaqSi plakatebi gaakra, romelic arc antisaxe lmwi foebriv mo wodebas Seicavda, arc _ dapiris pi reb as. ubralod, Cveni azriT, samarTliani moTxovnebi gamovamzeureT. policiam plakatebi Camoxia, sasamarTlom ki, da gvajarima. rogorc Cans, Cveni moTx ovn ebi xelisuflebas ar awyobs. _ ra moTxovnebi gaqvT? joni: _ es afxazeTi s umaRlesi sabW os arCevn ebis moTxovna iyo. afxa zeTis respublikis mTavroba, jer kide v iq yo fnisas avirCieT da, praqtikulad, ufu nqcio gaxda. qveynis biuje tidan, weli wadSi, 14 milioni lari midis aparatis Sesanaxad. am dros ramden niWie r axalg azrdas swavlis fulis gada xd a uWir s. axlaxan, erT-erTi poetis poeziis saRa mo Catarda, razec 75 aTasi lari daixa rja, mapatios batonma poetma, magr am ar jobda, es fuli 75 axalgazr das Sex ide boda? ramdenime Tvis win, arzayan Serva Si Zis biustis dasadgm elad, ocdaaTkaci ani delegacia, erTi kviriT, praRaSi gaemgz avra, raSic uzarmaza ri Tanxa daixa rja. afxa zeTis mTavroba naTesavmegobrebis krebulia, umaRles sabWoSi samudamo deputatebis jgufi zis da xe lfass iRebs, romelic, praqtikulad, pensiad iqca. afxazeTi dan ltolvil ebi dRemde socialurad daucvel fenad, daukmayo filebel masadaa warmodg enili. ara, batonebi, aq Taobebi gaiza rdn en, Cven politikaSic Segv iZ lia Cveni saTq meli vTqvaT. teqnik urad, srulia d SesaZle belia afxa ze Tis umaRlesi sabWos arCe vnebi Cava taroT da SevcvaloT erTi da igive xalxi, romelic 23 welia, skamze zis! _ joni, reformatorebze, qveynisTv is gakeTe bul sikeTeebze saubrobT, mag ram xalxs ,,nacionalebis~ reformebi ki ara, kanonis saxeliT Zaladoba, siZulv ili, cinizm i daamaxsovrda... joni: _ rac unda vTqvaT, mixeil saa kaSvil i lideria, romelsac ukan mivd e vdi T. qveyana, sadac TviTmfrinavi s trapz e `kanonier qurds~ Ss ministri pativi T xvdeboda, Tavi si struqtureb iT, saxelmwifos daemsgavs a. `nacional ebi~ gulanTe buli patriotebi arian, romelTa c sakuTa r Tavze aiRes Savi sa qme, eris siZulvil i da qveyana qveyanas daamsga vses. P_ am qveynis Tv is biZin a ivaniSvi lm ac fasdaudebeli Rvawli gaswi a. joni: _ mixeil saakaSvil ma biZinas yvelaferi ZaldatanebiT gaakeTebina, Tanac sikeTe s mizanmimarTulad akeTeb da, rom qveynis saTa veSi mosuliyo. re formebi Tu daafinansa, qveyanas moxmar da. aba, maCveneT is naqebi sawa rmoebi, saarCevn od rom dagvp irdn en? jandacv is sistemisTvi s ori Tvea, fuli ar aqvT da im saavadm yofoebs arTmeve n, romel Tac kompromatebi daudes. ,,ocnebis~ xe lisufleba kargi imitomaa, rom cixe Si aravi s svamen? ar daije roT, roca sWi rdebaT, amasac akeTeben da reformato rebi dRemde saknebSi hyavT gamomwyvd e ulni! daumtkicon, batono, axalaias, rom yove l diliT ToTo bavSv ebs Wamda, an gigi ugulavas _ korufciuli sqeme bi. sad aris mtkicebulebebi? vimarCi e loT Tu deda davif ic oT?! _ joni, boroti enebi amboben, rom `nacionalebs~ ucxo qveynebis elCebi, evrope li maRalCinosnebic kompromat ebiT hyavT dabmulio... joni: _ Tu saTa veSi aseTi Zlieri `nacmoZraoba~ gvyavd a, isev gvyavd es, arafris maqnis ,,ocnebas~ ar mirCevn ia?! momava li politikuri veli axali TaobisTvi s unda gamova Tavis ufloT, axalgazrda inteleqtualebTan vmuSa ob, orga nizacia `laza re~ regio nebsac wvdeba da mixaria, rom saRad moazr ov ne axalgazrde bi modi an, SeZleben da saxe lmwifosac gada ib areben. esaubra naTia gogitiZe 16 # 43 44 141- 1 07 noemberi 2015 s q `me rom somexi, an ebraeli kbnthfnehf, (307) (308) qarTveli mecnieris literatura, sensaciuri xelovneba, aRmoCenebispolitika gacnobaze mecnierebaTa akademiis prezidentma uari Tqva sazogadoeba arT uli it yva viyo, saxelmwifo sakvlev instituts gamixsnida!~ `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ giorgi leoniZe qarTveli mecnieri akaki gasviani samyaros spiraluri moZraobis Teoriis fuZemdebelia. samyaros moZraobis modeli, sxeulTa samoZrao erTeulebi da intervalebi, ritmuli dinamikis kanoni Tu sferuli mudmiva kosmologiaSi umniSvnelovanesi siaxlea. imis dasturad, rom samyaroSi moZraoba yovelives spiraluria, galaqtikisa da masSi mimdinare movlenebis xilvac sakmarisia. swored spiraluri moZraobiT aixsneba Savi xveulebis, bermudis samkuTxedisa Tu tornados movlenebi. ,,qarTuli sityva“ akaki gasvians esaubra, romelsac Tavis wignSi _ „samyarouli moZraoba“ 300-ze meti mecnieruli daskvna da fundamenturi aRmoCena aqvs Setanili: s gardaqmnis Jamia bi s cnobiere _ kacobriobi d Secnoba ra salu r e v i un s o r a y m sa ari da damdg elia. Cems mier 300-ze meti mecnieruli aucileb ze mniSvnelovn dan yvela daskvnisa da aRmoC eni obaa. sxeul ri moZra s spiralu ro ad main c samy a smogaerTi ko a i g e d Se s i b o a r Z mo i r u Ta spiral i (mzis) sistema (n.koper anebani: heliocen trul i; gravitaciulia qtikeb bi, gala aqoe niki), zodi ni (i.niuton i); ele is kano msoflio mizidulob geba (d.mende i sistem iT ganla odul men tTa peri bi, gamo i); eleq trom agnituri da sxva vele leev r i moZr u l a r spi d, a g i r am e. l x c o c si a da sxiveb a. rac mTava Zveli is safu aoba samy aros kanon eb ria, misi mizezi da am mizezis mizezi _ absolu uli veli, wminda ve ci te, anu RmerTi, informa li avxseni. Tze rogor wis magali nas dedami _ am movle rT? aRwe _ rogorc viciT, dedamiwa Tavisi RerZis ir un deba, mzis i erTxel Semobr gvliv dRe-Ram eS is. uvl wadSi Semo mo orbitas erT weli garSe ros a y m sa v, i l v g ir s i l a v g r m ca i Z r Re dedamiwis bas, as adgile polusis mimarT, erTjerad gada adSi asrule iT, 25 920 weliw a gaTvl tronomT aoba sruldeba vaSi, misi moZr xve bs. samive SemT s ze, aramed, elifsi arc wrewirze, arc _ elifs e da Ta lz d, spira a ebr gaxsnil wreze, xviisebr Tis mi savle d, aRmo visi RerZis mimarT daxrila neba, aobs, ris gamoc gveCve iT moZr marTuleb savl da o, m e S r ga e v s ma i b e v a l v k s r va rom mze da na kargad T uvlian. es movle bi rTule eTis mima li. s axsni aqvT astronomeb m o dasavle marTalia, mzis dedamiwis garSe ebiTia, magr n e v C mo a b o a r Z mo T i b e l u rT Tis mima ad gamogva a da nimuS kli s anare ebi am WeSmarit mxreT naxev sa s i w i m a d de mze s r e b m e k a: 22 de dgeb sisaken, i polu zea, samx reT os 23,5 ganed arsfer va uiqce uk a, b e r x i a d ga ar d a t me n e k s i 90 gradus ic axsnili gvaqvs. 21 ekvatorisken. amisi mizez s -0 gradusis gas marts ki, dedamiwis ekvatori rsferos eTis naxeva ss, Crdilo aa, 22 ivni wvriv b a metad e r x i a d ga n a d e aq arc a. e z s u 23,5 grad isaken. e.i. is polusisaken -90 gradus CrdiloeT ad. r lu a spira eb moZraoba sruld s yvela sxeulis a samy aro wis moZraob dedami s ouli moZraobi r a y m sa e.i. a, i r u n o Tvis etal forma spiraluria. _ termin i _ `spiraluri mudmivoba~ samecnie i mudm ive lur aSi axalia. `spira atur ro liter n? a i b e n m iq bi~ rogor aobiT, spir i moZr i wriul s uwyvet _ sxeuli mudmivi ganz i b e l i Z n ma i l u b e R mi s i s Sor aleb bia. wrewiri, i mudmive r lu bi, anu spira omilebe sia, elifsisebri spi si 360 gradu gnebavT, elif wa mzis sistemis is rali ki, masze metia. dedami ze) 1 gradu (elifs e z r i w wre rom a, i eT arealS is erTi dRe-RamiTaa kan a misTv si manZilis gavl uli, anu 360 gradusi 360 dReRameSi un onizeb ba, ivo m weliwadis xangrZl ros, magra da Semowe rac a, e m dRe-Ra 4136 365,242 T, i b e S i r a g Cveni gaan kuli l tropi d miRebu rTa mier etalona mecnie T, 18 wamiT, anu bi e as, daaxlo ivob wlis xangrZl i 0,05 wamiT aRem ateba. vTvli, rom Ce dRe-RameS mi gaangariSeba sworia. i aCqare kis kanon iT, kuTx ur sferuli meqani SeZlos, rom a l v s ga e z l a r spi a m l u bisas sxe i akldeba, rac ss) 0,99 gradus s (elif wrewir a da rCeba 359,01 grad va spiralis Riobis mudmi usi. 365,2424136 _ 359,02=6,2324136 _ es dedamiw s ja bi i spiraluri mudmive ur is wliuri, ganed mia. 365,2424136:359,01=1,01736 graduss _ es ki n 1 a. aqeda va s spiraluri mudmi erTi dRe-Rami lia, 0,01736 gradusi ki, _ gradusi wrewiriseu uli manZ ili. spiralze momateb diT davadgineT dedamiwis grZed amave meTo i mudm iva, lur sa da meridianze aRsavleni spira a: 1, 01736 bi er nakle e oTxj lic ganedurz rome edan 0,25 aq s. i r ud s s u d gra 0,25434 gradusi yovelkvireuli gazeTi, gamodis oTxSabaTobiT amas winaT, erT RonisZ iebaz e Sesa Zleblob a momeca, saqar Tvelos mecnierebaTa erovnuli ak ademiis prezidenti sTv is mimemarTa, xuTiod e wuTiT minda TqvenTan Sexve dra, rom Cemi ori wigni gadmogceT-meTqi, magram civi uari mtki ca, wign ebis wasa kiTxad dro ar maqvso... saxtad davrCi! RvTisg an boZebul i es aRmoCenebi qarTveli eris intele qt ual ur i sakuT rebaa da, rogorc Tanaa vto rob is mowadine ucxoe lebs ganvucxa de, miliar debic rom Semom Tav azo n, Tanaav tor ad arav is aviyvan! klepto manebi, interpr etato rebi da aRmo C enaT a gardamsa xvele bi msofli oSi Warbad ari an. amito m droze unda Cvens inteleqtu alu r sakuTrebas aRiar eba da dacva. es upirve le sa d samecniero centr ebsa da Sesab am is saministr o ebs eval ebaT. miqela njelosa viT, romeli c Tavisi Semoq me debis ver Tu ar damfas eblebs duelS i iwvevd a, gavTam amdebi da vityvi: me rom some xi an ebraeli viyo (amas kargi gage biT vambob, radgan maT mecn ierebis dafas eba ician), maTi saxelmwifoebi da biznesm enebi aseT naSrom s araT u daaf inan sebdn en, aram ed, sakvle v insti tuts ac gamixsn idnen. CvenTan ki zogierTma mecnierebaT a doqt or ma aseTi ra mec Tqva, ra aris aq axal i, dnm da gala qtikebis nawili xom spira lur ia. hege lmac xom Tqva, saz oga doebis ganviTareba spiral isebur iao? hege lma mxolo d Seadara sazoga doebis ganviTar eba spirals. mas kanoni ar Camouy al ibebia. am doqt orebs konkretul kiTxv as rom vusvam, rato m ar is dnm an galaq ti kebi spira lur i-meTqi, Cumdeb ian. oRon d qarTv elisa ar iyos raime axali aRm oCena, ucxoeli sas ki, aita ceben. ra hqvia am daa vad ebas? amito m varT aseT mdgomar eob aS i. qarTul ma saTa kilo arxeinobam da dard iman dobam ganapi roba firo sm anis, vaJas, baraTa Svi lis, galak tion is sicocxlis tragi kul i dasas ruli. rodemde unda viyoT aseTi dardimandebi da arxeinebi? ekonomikura d sxvebze varT damo kidebulni, politi kurad vqanaobT, sakuTar in tele qt ua lur miRwevebs mainc ar unda movu ar oT, qarTvelebo?! esaubra naTia gogitiZe wriseulia, 0,00434 gradusi ki, _ spiralze mom atebuli manZili. cis meqanikis kanonia: sferulma sxeulma Tav isi RerZis irgvliv brunva rom ganaviTros, mi si orbituli moqcevis ori spiraluri mudmiva orjer mainc unda aRematebodes missa ve ganedu risa s. maSin: 1,017362=2,03472 graduss _ es mzis garSemo dedamiwis orbituli spiraluri mudm ivaa. mecnierTa dask vniT, dedamiwis RerZi samya ros polusi s mimarT 72 weliwadS i 1 gradusiT gadaadgildeba, rac wliurad 50 (sekunda) mud mivas qmnis: 1 gradusi=360 graduss: „72=50“, rac sworia wrewirisaTvis (elifsisaTvis), magram spiraluri orbitis wliuri prece siuli mudm iva 50,868-ia, camrgvalze erTjeradi Semovlis as ki, Seadgens 5,0868 graduss. msgavsi gaangari SebebiT, dadginda mzis, mTvaris, marsi s da a.S. spiraluri mudmivebi. spiralurobis meqanika iZleva saSualebas, absoluturi sizust iT davadginoT sxeulTa moZraobis dro da manZili. _ mzis moZraobis siCqaris dadgenac SeZel iT? _ mzis siCqare, wrewirze gaTvliT, 216km.wmia, spiralur orbitaze ki, _ 214, 779168 km.wm. mecnierebi dRemde varaudiT msjeloben, rom mze galaqtikis centris garSemo moZraobs 200250 km/wamSi. 50 km/wamSi didi cdomilebaa. aseve, davadgineT mzis 11-wliani ciklis mizezi. gina xavT adamianis kefaze spiraluri gvirgvini? _ is bioarsSi energiis spiraluri moZraobiTa a ganpirobebuli. Sav xveulebsac energiaTa spir aluri moZraoba warmoqmnis. bermudis samkuTxe dis saidumloebac amiT aixsneba, aseve, tornad osi. sxeulebs Soris rbil-myar obaSi sxvaobas simkvriveTa qmna `qarTulma saTakilo arxeinobam da dard dobis kanoni gansa zRv ravs. qri ste gvmoZRv ravs: RmerTi suli imandobam ganapiroba firosmanis, vaJas, bar ao. wmindanTa WvretiT, RmerTi univToa. mecnieruli analiziT aTaSvilis, galaktionis sicocxlis tragiku davadgineT, rom mecxre sferu li dasasruli. rodemde unda viyoT aseTi da li Sre-informaciuli veli, abs olute _ RmerTi univToa, amit rdimandebi da arxeinebi? ekonomikurad sxve om wminda velia. samyaro arc ga bze varT damokidebulni, politikurad vqan ixliCeba da arc burTisxelad aobT, sakuTar inteleqtualur miRwevebs ma SeikumSeba. misi gafarToeba-Se kumSva cikluria, monacvl eobiT inc ar unda movuaroT, qarTvelebo?!~ xdeba. Tanaarsi yvela sxeulsa da sxeulTa gaerTianebas axlavs, marto verc erTi ver imoZrave bs. ai, samyaros usasrulobis safuZve li... arse boben aseTive paraleluri samyaroebi da... da araviTari afeTqebis, fardobiTobis Teoriebi, anu samya ros droebiTobis _ relatiurobis Te oria! samyaro maradiulia, radgan maradi ulia RmerTi, romelic yovel uxilav mikroSicaa da gigantur makroSic. „me mamaSi var da mama CemS ia!“ _ gvmoZRvravs macxovari. _ rogoria mecnierTa gamoxmaureba Tqvens aRmoCenebze? _ wignSi _ ,,samya rouli moZraoba“ Setanili amonaridebi mecnierTa recenziebidan Tava d mo wmobs, Tu ra did Sefasebas gvaZleven, TumcaRa marTebuli iqneba, aseTi donis RirebulebaTa Sefase ba saqarTvelos mecnierebaTa erovnulma akademiam gaakeTos. is ki dums. am dros lomono sovis saxelobis gsu-s profeso rma, iankovskim mogvwera: „originaluri mecnieruli mimarTu leba Seqm na gasvianma, rasac mowmobs misi wigni _ „samya rouli moZraoba“. originaluri mecnier uli mimarTulebis Semqm neli istoriaSi sul ramdenia cnobili? ekologiuri da radiaciu li usafrTxoebis saerTaSoriso centris gend ireqtorma, miasovdovma msoflioSi cnobil „didi ideebis“ avtor mecnierebs Segvadara da daaskvna: „me aRtacebuli var am naSromiT da mjera, igi didad Seuwyobs xels mecnierebis mo maval ganviTarebas“. s 11-17 noemberi 2015 17 q kbnthfnehf, `feisbuqis~ ambebi yovelkvireuli gazeTi, gamodis oTxSabaTobiT ia! me, rogorc rigiT moqalaqes, romelsa c TqvenTvis xma ar momicia, maqvs Tqveni imedi imitom, rom Tq `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; ven namdvilad xarT yvelas prezid dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ enti!“ giorgi leoniZe amasTan, nanuka JorJo liani „fe isbuqSi“ kidev erT posts aqveyn ebs: „batono xelisufalo, „xalxi“ daanonsebul pornoebs elodeba da male dadebT? agvi anebT raRac. ana nistebi Relaven!“ eka miSvelaZe: „pirvel arxze“ axal Toq-Sous ianvridan waiyvans „marTlac, Cemze adre igebs yve la yvelafers, rogorc vatyo b. ra inga grigolia: „merii s maRalCin osn dgan aseTi didi interesia, davazu ebi „feisbuqiT“ erTob ian“ steb: Cven gvqonda guSin Sexvedra – me da „yoveli kviri s dasawyi sS i rom kadr e generalur direqtors. aris aseTi wina bs xsnian, tend ere bSi rom sruli qaos ia, dadeba, rom axali gadacema SevTavazoT aTxril-daTxrili roa Tbili si, imit om mayu rebels, savaraudod, ianvr idan. es erTobi an „feis b uq iT“ meriis maRa lC ino iqneba gansxvavebuli formatis analiti snebi“, – ase exmau reba social ur qselSi kuri Toq-Sou. formati jer dazu stebis Jurnalis ti inga grigolia Tbili sis me stadiaSia. mTavaria, rom „sazogadoebr riaSi ganxorcielebul sakadr o cvlil ivi mauwyebeli“ misi principe bis da sta ebebs. ndartis erTguli rCeba“, _ wers telewa amasTan, Jurnal ist i Tbilisis meri is myvani eka miSvelaZe socialur qsel „fei maRalCino s ni s, irakli leqv ina Zi s imdr sbuqSi“. oin del postsa c ixsene bs, romelic am uk salome zurabiSvili: „saxelmwifo anask ne lma „reaqcii s“ sazafxul o sezon meTaurebi aseTi sityv ebiT ar unda saub is damTav rebis Semde g dawera. r o b d n e n“ „ai, am postebis weri T rom iyvnen dak „erTi ubedureba xom gvWirda saakaS avebu lebi saqmis nacvlad, imis magivra d, v i l is saxiT, magram verc premieri da ve saqm isa da tend erebi sT vis rom miexeda T, sul ar var boro ti, magram meri a S i rac rc vice-premieri rom ver xvdebian,…es xdeba, am dros sul eseTi ambebi maxsende ras davabraloT?!“ _ wers sagareo saqme ba xolme, fotoz e rac weria“, _ wers inga Ta yofili ministri salome zurabiSvi i“. grigoli a „feis buq Si“ da irakli leqvin li socialur qsel „feisbuqS mama petre: „aRmosavleTi adamia, das aZis zemoxse ne buli posti s fotos ac aqv avl eTi _ eva“ eyne bs. „evropuli arCevani, rogorc aseTi, naTia fanjikiZe: „me rom didi gaviz albaT, ideaa, humanizmze da inteleqtze rdebi, quCis musik ose bs davafin an seb~ „nebis mier sakoncert o darba zSi mos agebuli. kacobriobis umTavresi Rireb fali neba da misi menil hange bs mirC evni a uceb gagonil i uleba adamianis Tavisu musika, quCis xmovane ba s ueca ri ganw yo b uflebebia. rac unda mcdari iyos mis ga iT rom avsebs. moulod ne lad gadaya vx ar dawyvetilebaSi, man airCia da manve unda erTi fiqrid an meor eze, ukeTesze, an Se agos pasuxi“, _ wers mama petre (kvaracxe lia) socialur qsel „feisbuqSi“. ni fiqris saund treki xdeba. misi ve TqmiT, aRmosavleTi dasavleT venaSi quCa mocar ti s eniT gelapar ak eba, niu iorkSi _ aTas nair enaz e, aTas nai is daxvewili nazavia. „gvaxsovdes, sadac Cveni uflebebi ri grZnobis Sesax eb. me rom didi gaviz rde bi, quCis musik mTavrdeba, sxvisi iwyeba. ar vuaryof aR vleTs, piriqiT, aRmosavluri kul osebs davafin anse b!“ _ wers naTia fanjik mosa tura da Cveulebebi bevrad xangrZliv iZe socialur qsel „feis bu qS i“. istoriul process moicavs,…dasa vle nino jangiraSvili: „dedas geficeb Ti - es aris aRmosavleTi s daxvewili naz iT, botoqsi ar gamik eTebia!“ avi.…vfiqrob, rom aRmosa vleTi samkau „dedas geficebi T, botoq si ar gamike lis is korpusia, romelSic dasa vleTi Tebia _ fobi a maqvs, meSi ni a gaSeSebul i mi s i ef e q t u r i el v a r e b i T ar i s Ca s muli… saxeebis. dedas gefic ebiT, cxviri s oper iT dasavlur Rirebu aciac ar maqvs gakeTebuli – meSin ia nems amitom, roca vityv eTic, is da tkivil is. dedas gefic ebi T _ aSS-Si lebas, unda vigulisxmoT aRmosavl si da safuZveli.…aR Temur alasani asT an ar vyofil var, loi rogorc misi sawyi vleTi adamia, dasavleTi – eva, kaco olas univ ersitetis komuni kac ie bis sko mosa briobis ganviTareba ki, _ maTi Sexvedr is laSi viyavi aSS-is saelCos miwv eviT. ad g i l i“, _ wers ma m a pe t r e „fe i s b u q S i“. dedas gefic ebiT, „nacebi s“ fuli rom Temo murvaniZis varaudiT, gvaramias mdomeboda, didi xnis win gamovar Tmevdi eW v m itanilis statusi mieniWeba da ar vimazoxis te bdi amdeni weli. dedas „ar aris gamoricxuli, uaxloes moma gefic ebiT, „rusTavi 2“-is saqmes piari s Tvis ki ar viyeneb, ubra l od, ver vitan valSi, gvaramias da mis `megobar revol loT moZalade da aRvir ax sni l xeli suf lebe ucionerebs~ mowmis statusi Seecva da eW v m i t a n i l i s sta t u s i mi e n i W o T“, _ bs. uqS i“ polit TanamSro mlebi mawv dia n xolme `feis wers socialur qsel „feisb buqze~ mimo bne ul Cems salan ZR av marg al ikosi Temo murvaniZe. murvaniZe ganmartavs, rom aseTi dask ite bs da ase davax ari sx e pasux ebi mokl v n i s gakeTebis saSualebas faqt ebis kons ed. braldebebis pirv eli nawili erT qa lba tons ekuTv nis, romelsa c arc boto q tatacia aZlevs. „iuristi ar var, magram ukve dadast si uSvelis da arc _ cxviris operac ia. Tvis fulis nawilSi erTi kaci mada naSau urebuli masala, rac sazogadoebisa lebs, romelic Riad ixveweba, qiba r sams gaxda cnobili, vgoneb, sruliad sakmari cvlelad, Tum axurSi mimiR eo da didi eWvi maqvs, ful sia mowmis statusis Sesa ic aravis SeuTavaz ebia aras dr os imit ca es sagamoZiebo organoebis prerogat iva a“, _ wers Temo murvaniZe soci alur om, rom aravis Wirdeba. bolo braldeba erT kacs ekuTvn is, qselSi da am konteqstSi irakli baTiaSv romelsac komuni kacie bis specia li st i ilis SemTxvevas ixsenebs, romelsac „nac ki hqvia, magr am es „codn a“ arc sakuTari ionaluri moZraobis“ dros patimroba ualuri mxard TavisTv is gamoa dg a da arc _ imisTvis, vi emzar kvicianis inteleqt sac erTi weli elaqu ce bo d a eTerSi. dR aWerisTvis Seufardes. „albaT, upriani iqneba, gavixsenoT es ki, cdilobs, 60 statusi/sT-Si siCqar Tundac irakli baTi aSvilis SemTxve va, iT moawonos „ocneba s Tavi“. c adamianma telefonSi Tqva fra mokled, rame xeiri an i brald ebe bi mo rodesa Tvis ga ifiq reT, pativc emule bo, cota guls za _ „gamagrdiT, biWebo“ da amisa iT cixe Si gauSve s“, _ rom moxvdes, _ iseTi“, _ wers Jurn al is datrialebis muxl niZ e „feisb ti nino jangi r aS vili socia lu r qsel wers politikosi Temo murva uqSi“. „feisbuq Si“. elza jmuxaZe: „gldanis cixeSi patim nanuka JorJoliani: „xalxi porno ebs ari kbilebs ikeTebs“ elodeba“ „dRes gldanis cixeSi patimars velo „batono prezide nto, axla Tqveni dr an iyo. rom amo oa. gadaar Ci neT qveya na ukidur esi daZa b de 3 saaTi, stomatologT ulo bis ga n! Cven ar gvinda barik ad e bi da vida, vkiTxe, xom mSvidoba gaqvs-meTqi da bo.… fizikuri dapir i sp ire bebi! Cven ar gvin kio, kbilebs vikeTe sul sami wlis win iq kbilebs mxolod da iq, sada c migvaT reven, ruseTSi! Tqven SegiZ lia T saqa rTvelos istori aS i Sexv amtvrevdnen“, _ wers „feisbuqSi“ advo ideT oqro s asoebi T da axla Tqveni jer kati elza jmuxaZe. arT # 44 (308) uli it yva literatura, xelovneba, politika ganaTleba saxelmwifo bavSvebs swavlis uflebas arTmevs?! ganaTlebis saministros `sagmiro saqmeebze~ ukve meored Tu mesamed vwer, Tumca es, albaT, gamorCeulia, radgan rogorc irkveva, sanikiZis uwyeba adamians konstituciiT garantirebul uflebas arTmevs da misi momavali raRac komisiebis Semwynareblobazea damokidebuli. biurokratiisa da gaurkveveli kanonis gamo, erT-erTi skolis moswavle Tveze metia, saswavlo procesis miRmaa darCenili. `qarTuli sityva~ bavSvis mSobels esaubra: _ bavSvi quTais is kerZo skola „mermisSi~ swavlobda, Tumca sacxo vr ebe li adgilis Secvla mouwia da TbilisSi gadmovi da, sadac samwuxa rod, erT ma skolamac ar miiRo. sajaro skola miRebaze uars ar gveubneboda, Tumca baza ver gaxsna. bavSv is orive Zmam mobiloba moaxerxa, monace mTa bazi s prob lemebis gamo ki, TviTon gareT darCa. direqtorma bodiSi mogvix ada da ker Zo skolaSi gadayvanaze migv iTi Ta. iqac imave problemas wava wydi T. _ skolebSi monacemTa baza s ratom ver xsnian, an bavS vis erTi skolid an meoreSi mobiloba ra problemaa? _ es im antiko nstituciuri kanonis bralia, romelic pirve lk laseli ba vSvis kerZo skolid an skolaSi mobilobas krZalavs. am kanonis arsi isaa, rom raRa c konkretul SemTxv evaSi, saxe lmwi fo bavSvs swavl is uflebas arTmevs. rac unda moxdes, mSobels Svilis, Tu is pirve lklaselia, erTi skolid an meoreSi mobilobis ufleba ar aqvs... bavS vi s monacemTa bazi s gaxs na maSina a SesaZlebeli, Tu ministris davalebiT specialuri komis ia Seiq mneba. am kom isiis Seqmna da Semdeg, misi muSaoba ki, sakmaod did drosTa naa dakavS ir ebu li da daaxloebiT, 40-45 dRe ikargeba. _ Tqven komis iis Seqmna moiTx oveT? _ ganaTlebis ministrs mivmarTe weril iT, Tumca Sablonuri pasuxi momi vida: `saqarTvelos ganaTlebis da mecnierebis samin istroSi warmod genili Tqveni 2015 wlis 6 oqtombris gancxa de bis (saministroSi regis tr acii s # 1029666 06/10 /2015) pasuxad gacnobebT, rom zoga ds aganmanaTl eblo daweseb ulebaSi mosw avleTa mobil obis wesis damtkicebis Sesaxeb saq. ganaTlebis da mecnierebis ministris 2012 wlis 19 seqtembris # 193 n brZane bis pirveli punqtiT damtkicebuli wesis me- 3 muxl is me-2 punqtis Tanaxmad, mobil oba dauSvebelia: kalenda ruli wlis dasrulebamde 30 kalendaruli dRis ganm avlobaSi, me-12 klasis me-2 semestris mimdi nareobisas, erTi saswa vlo wlis ganmavlobaSi, aseve, im zoga ds aganmanaTl eblo dawesebulebebis pirveli klasis mosw avleTa Tv is, romlebmac swavl a daiwyes saq. zoga dsaganmanaTl e blo dawese bulebebSi~. isic momweres, rom bavS vi s mobiloba konkretulad direqtorzea damokide buli... skolebs mivakiTxe T, magra m isev da isev mona cemTa bazebis problemebis gamo, bavS vi vers ad miiR es. mere, ganaTle bis sam inistroSi gadamamisamarTe s da am uwyebaSi Tavi dan momTxo ve s gancxa debis dawera, aseve, _ cnoba saxlmmarTv elobidan, rom Cveni sacxovre beli adgil is namdviloba dagv edasturebina. avuxseni, rom saxlmmarT ve lobis institu ti aRar arse bobda da am ukanasknelis funqciebs saja ro reestr i asru leb da... sajaro reestrs gava keTebine cnoba, rom bavS vi cxovr ob s TbilisSi. ax la es dokumenti unda mivi tano, raTa ganaTl ebis saministrom Seqmnas komis ia da yvelaferi, albaT, 30 dRemde gaiweleba... swored am drois Semdeg mec odineba, Cemi Svili skolaSi iswa vl is Tu ara. amasobaSi ki bavS vis kons tit uciuri ufleba irRveva! bavSvTa uflebebis damcvelsac mivm arTe, magr am jer pasuxi ar momsvl ia. garda amisa, vapir eb, mivmarTo saerTa Soriso orga niz aciasac, romelic am sakiTxiT interesde ba xolme da ganaTl ebis Sesaxeb kanoni irRve va Tu ara, es sabolood dadgindeba! _ Tu iciT, am kanonis iniciatori vin iyo? _ amazec Sablonuri pasuxi gamces. _ sajaro skolid an sxva saja ro skolaSi mobil oba SesaZlebelia? _ ki, mxolod kerZo skolidan mobilobaa SeuZlebeli. es mTavr oba yvela fers winamorbedebs abralebs... Cemi problema yurad aravi n iRo da yvelaf erma aman sabWoTa periodi gamaxsena. CemTv is isaa mTava ri, rom Cemi Svili Tveze metia, skolaSi ver dadi s. esaubra daviT galaSvili 18 # 44 11-17 noemberi 2015 s q kbnthfnehf, (308) literatura, xelovneba, politika yovelkvireuli gazeTi, gamodis oTxSabaTobiT arT uli it yva ara-Cveulebrivi gverdi sad aris nikita peta uilsos msoflio popula r oba 1997-2001 wlebSi gadaR ebu l ma kanadurma telese ria lm a _ `nikit am~ moutana. teleseri al i msofli os mraval qveyana Si, maT Sori s, saqa rTveloS ic didi popular obi T sa rgeblob da. maRa lm a, qera, cisf er Tvala petam mayu rebe li male daat yveva. serialis dasr u le bis Semde g, pe ta ekranze ramdenj ermeRa gamoC n da, isic, _ epizodu r rolebSi. axla varsk vlav i 44 wlisa a da am bob s, rom teleseri alis wyalob i T, misi namd vili saxeli uaxloes adam ianebsac daaviw yd aT da dRemde nik ita s eZaxian. 1997 wlidan, peta reJiso r dami an harisTan erTad cxovrob da. maTi roma ni 2002 wels dasru lda. wyvils 13 wlis vaJi, marlo u hya vs. odesaSi lenini bneleTis lordad `gadaakeTes~ msoflio S i pirvela d, odesaS i, siTh ebis mbrZanebl is, imperii s arm iis umaRlesi mTavarsa rd lis, darT veid eris Zegli dadg es. Zeglis avt ori odeseli mxatv ari aleqsa nd r milovaa, rome lmac Savi Zalebi s ra ind is Zegl i vladimer lenin is qand akebas `daaSena~. sxvaTa Sori s, leni nis Zeglis demon taJs dekomun i zac iis kano ni iTval iswi ne bs. `bneleTis lord i s Zegli turi s tul marSrut Sic Seva~, _ imedo vn e bs Zeglis avtori. misi ve TqmiT, saxe cvli li leni n is irgvliv dasas vene bel zona s moawyobe n. sxvaTa Sori s, darT veide ris mo nument i ukabelo intern e tsac `avr celebs~ _ Sesaba misi mowy ob i lo ba mis TavSia Camo n ta Jebul i.wyvils 13 wlis vaJi, marlo u hyavs. rupert merdoks mik jageris colyofili Seuyvarda msoflio S i saxelg anT qmuli med iamagna ti, rupert merdok i kvlav medii s yuradR ebi s cent rS ia _ 84 wlis ruperti mik jageris yofil meuRles, 59 wlis mode ls, jeri holss xvdeba. `isin i erTad Tavs sauk eTeso d grZnoben~, _ ambob en merdo kis mego brebi. sxvaTa Soris, ori wlis win, mer doki vendi dengs daSor d a, romel Tanac 14 weli gaatara. rogorc maS in iTqva, wyvilis daSor e bis mizezi Ralati gaxda _ gavrc elebul i inf ormacii T, vend i dengma magnat i di di britan eTis premier-mini st r to ni blerze gacvala. rac Seexeba jeri holss, man mik jagerTan 9 weli gaat ar a. marTal ia, wyvils 4 Svili hyavda, magra m ma inc daSorda _ jageri brazil ie l model luCan a mora dis Tan wavid a. mik jagers a da jeris maSi na c da Zabul i urTierT oba hqond a T, roca momReralma romani safran geTis pi rvel ledis Tan, karl a brunis Tan gaaCaRa. ganqo rwinebis Semdeg, jagerm a yofil meuRles Serig eba ramde nje rme sTxova, magra m amaod. Segaxsene bT: rupert merd ok i sa mje r iyo daqorwi ne buli: pirv elad misi meuRle gamyi dv eli patri si a bukeri gaxldaT. Semde g, Jurn a li s t ana torviz e iqor win a, bolos ki, _ biznespartni or vend i dengize. `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ giorgi leoniZe s 11-17 noemberi 2015 19 q kbnthfnehf, yovelkvireuli gazeTi, gamodis oTxSabaTobiT `Sen _ ukvdavebis Camonadeno, mSvenierebac xom SeniT iTqva; dideba Senda, Cemo naTelo _ qarTulo sityvav, qarTulo sityvav!~ giorgi leoniZe ara-Cveulebrivi gverdi arT uli it yva # 44 (308) ,,samoTxis vaSlebi~ _ visockis ucnobi simRera literatura, cnobili sabWoTa bardi, poeti, xelovneba, momRerali da msaxpolitika iobi vladi mer visocki, me-20 saukunis 70-ani wleb is bolos, aSS-s xSirad stumrobda. erT-erTi stumrobisas, aSS-Si mcxo vrebi megobrebis, anu sabWoTa disi dentebis ,,saxlis studi ebSi~ mrava li simRera Cawera, Tumca okeanisga Rma Cawerili simRerebida n samSob loSi erTic ar gamouqveynebia _ am simRerebis Sinaarsi da paTosi sabW oTa xelis uflebis Tv is, ra Tqma un da, miuRebeli iyo da cenzura dab lokavd a. axlaxan, momRerlis erT-erTma megobarma, kalifornielma musikos ma maikl miSma internetSi visockis aqamde ucnobi da erT-erTi yvelaze filosofiuri simRera gamoaqveyna, romelic bibliuri da stalin uri represiebis istoriul motivebze a Seqmnili. simReras ,,samoTxi s vaSl ebi _ mesame varia cia~ hqvia da maikl miSis binaSi visockim 1979 wels, ga rdacvalebamde 3 wliT adre Cawe ra... vin akeTebs ukrainul `vikiliqss~ rogorc socia lur qsel youtu be-dan xdeba cnobil i, qarTu l medi asiv rceSi bolo dros gamoqveynebu li skanda luri faruli Canawerebis gamavrcelebel ukrainul ,`vikil i qss~ iatakqve SeTida n ukrainis uSiS roebis samsaxuris yofili TanamSr omeli, 1981 wels dabadebuli, lvo veli sergei kirniki xelmZRvanelo bs. youtube-Si, нформаційний портал СЛ ОВО-s saxelwode bis arxze gavrcel ebul videoebSi kirniki acxadebs, rom is poroSenkos aparatTa n mimag rebuli uSiSroebis TanamSromeli iyo da samsaxu rida n wamosvlis Sem deg, gada wy vi ta, ,,ara politikoseb is, aramed xalxi s samsaxurSi myofi patrioti gamxd ariyo da ukrainis winaaRmdeg arsebuli SeTqmuleba gamoeaSkarave bin a~. ,,poroSenko, saakaSvi li, iaceni uki da aSS-isa Tu ruseTis sxva msax urebi dasjil i iqnebian~, _ acxadebs uSiSroebis yofili TanamSromeli. ukrain uli media kirnik is mfar velad xan rusul specsamsaxurebs asaxe lebs, xan ki, _ poroSenkos xel isuflebasTan dapirispi rebul ol iga rqebs, Tumca am dromde, am Temas Tan dakavS irebiT zusti da damaje rebeli informacia ar arsebobs. 47 wlis amerikelis ucnauri mSobiaroba aSS-Si, masaCusetis StatSi, 47 wlis qalma sakuTari orsulobis Sesaxe b mSobia robamde erTi saaTiT adre gaigo _ judi brauni saava dm y ofoSi muclis mwvave tkiviliT ga daiyva nes da male janmrTeli gogo na SeeZin a. qali fiqrobda, rom muceli won is matebis gamo gaezarda, sxva fizi kur cvlilebebs ki, rac fexm Zimobas axlavs, „cxovr ebis axal etaps“ _ me nopauzas miawerda. roca muclis tkivili autaneli gaxd a, qali, 48 wlis meuRlesTa n er Tad, qalaq beve rlis saava dmyof oSi wavi da, sada c uTxres, rom fexmZimed iyo da wuTi-wuTz e mSobia roba dae wyeboda... 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